Coming from 5D and looking into a7s mk ii and a7r mk ii I am seriously frustrated that I can't have a7s mk ii with 20 or so megapixels and backlit sensor
same, I love all the a7s ii features but this 12mp is holding me back from buying it immediately...this is hard...but considering the iso, I'll think I'll go with it
Reasonable frustration but many Nikon owners still say the D700 is one of the best cameras ever made. I always hear "quality of pixels". Anyway, understandable gripe.
Thanks, while this video is 7 years old I still love both of these camera's..... in fact I ordered one each secondhand instead of one A7S iii or A7 IV....or R IV... or V
I want both. One I already have for shooting video as I shoot a lot of work in low light, some as low as 104,900 ISO, so 3 stops away from max 409k. But I also shoot landscapes and I'd really love to someday print some of them and 42MP always retains more detail than 12MP, and it's also good if sometimes I need to do a multicamera, as both are Sony and both would match great.
Im just going to continue with my A7R and wait until the next model comes out unless I can get a killer deal on an A7RII. I really thought about the low light kicker but figured I don't really do enough low light imaging to warrant buying the A7SII. If they come out with a higher megapixel A7S III or something like that I may consider the low light beast. I may still go for the S model for doing microscope photography. Usually lousy light so the S model may be the key there. No need for super high megapixel there. But I want clean and crisp.
I use the A7ii and love it. It allows you to crop more and not lose detail in your shot. Low light shooting is better with the A7sii but with good primes this isn't really a problem. So for me the A7rii is my choice.
Cheers, Toby! I'm at a tipping point in investing in a decent camera that I'd like capability in for both film and stills. Several folk have recommended the RII to me because of this dual capability. I'm slightly put off by the over-heating issue (why would anyone be ok with this for such an expensive/high-end bit of kit) Also, with the number of cameras Sony releases, isn't it possible that in the next 12-18months there will be a new R camera that supersedes the mk2?
+Nick Franks Always a possibility of new camera but if you buy from someone else - won't you be just as jealous :) 3.0 firmware seems to really have fixed the overheating option and how often do you need to recored 20 minute clips with 4k anyway? If you are looking for a strong hybrid- it is hard to find anything else better than the A7RII.
+biscuitsalive Hello I m the person that has the Eyecups for the Sony A7 & A7II cameras, above I posted my links for all of my products for the Sony cameras! Thanks Christopher
please please please can you do some more on these two... go out into the field and show us the size of the prints etc etc... do something more in depth as I'm so interested in these two cameras and I'm only an amateur photog. lol it will generate shit loads of views too as there isn't much about the both in one video... mainly wanting photo related info and content but video is also essential for people. thanks toby... +PhotoRec Toby
I sold all my canon equipment and use Sony A7rii and its sony native lens. the eye auto focus and face auto focus works like a charms. no more focus recomposing with blurry image. Now all my image are tack sharp and shooting is alot faster. This face detection and eyes focus work in lowlight like a wedding reception ... with a flash mounted on , the A7rii sensor will "brighten up". technology have came so far today. We learn the basics and now technology make our life easier. Sony need to increase it lens choice, like a 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 and 135mm f2
Hi Marshall - this is a tough call. I am really leaning toward to the a7iii because of the better ergonomics, better battery life and better AF for photos and video. $300 feels like an amount that is worth it to spend to get the better camera.
I went back and forth on which of these cameras to buy. I settled on the A7SII because of the low light. I also felt that I didn't need the Pixels cause once you got em then you have to store them. If I did this as my job perhaps I would choose differently. Thanks for the comparison. Excellent video.
that doesnt even make sense becuase you dont have to shoot at 42 megapixel. And low light can be pulled of with a super crop 35 or lighting. Your sacrificing your Af AND COLOR OCNTRASTING.
The A7s is a scam. Lowlighting is its superiority but you sacrifice your AF, and superior photo quality. You can also have very close iso to the A7s if you do a crop35. I dont understand why the a7s has to exist except for consumerism
Hi there! Apart from the dilemma about choosing between these two cameras I am concerned about the adapter for canon lenses choice... I heard that non of the adapters in the market are actually usable concerning automatic focus. However you say you prefer a7r ii for its better automatic focus so it means that the adapters actually work. Could you tell me which one are you using and you are happy with? Thanks a lot!!! :)
Which one is better for Night time lapses, I moved from the Canon80D to Sony A7 (rubbish for the night lapses), and now I cant choose which one is better particular for Milky Way lapses... Before that video I was definitely for a king of low light A7Sii, but now I'm disappointed. Also the price is big deal for me A7sii I can buy slightly used for $2000 AUS, A7Rii -$2500Aus and A7II almost brand new only for $900Aus (I'm from Australia). My lapses are Ok and the lens is Samyang 14/2.8 but still not perfect, lot of noise even on 3200 ISO ((( and I decide to buy A7S ii which could help me with the noise problem.
Great vid, best explanations between the distinctions separating the two. The lure of high ISO performance is strong but I fear the market has moved on from 12MP and as a Nikon shooter, at times frustrated with the high ISO performance of my D800E, perhaps I'll wait for the D5. The hell of it is in every other measure the D800E is a superlative RAW shooter, OK with JEPG's and a keeper for certain. Still in all if shooting for clients I'll tend to the higher resolution and perhaps the D5 will hit the sweet spot for my needs but dear God that price... Please keep up the great work Toby and hang onto that MP monster it will serve you well for some time!!!
+Steve Ottavaino I love the sony for general photography and travel - very nice setup and having all those MP are fun! Thanks! D800E remains strong, loads of options and the D5 does look nice. . except that price !
+费子谦 Hello I am the person that has the Eyecups for the Sony A7/A7R/A7S cameras and an Eyecup for the A7II/A7RII/7SII/77MII cameras. Where to find them and my Button Enhancers and now for the Video Button. Eyecups For Sony A7II/A7RII/7SII/77MII cameras www.ebay.com/itm/191752127737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Eyecups for Sony A7/A7R/A7S cameras www.ebay.com/itm/191728948175?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Button Enhancers www.ebay.com/itm/191728948937?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 www.ebay.com/itm/191728949433?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Video Button Enhancer www.ebay.com/itm/191741091105?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Sony A7 (ALL) Series Lens Release Button & Lens Mounting Button Enhancer System www.ebay.com/itm/191728950430?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Any questions you can contact me there or from Toby! Thanks Christopher
On a given sensor size, a lower megapixel count with bigger pixels will produce cleaner images. Also rolling shutter will decrease. Maybe the A7Sii isn't that good with photography, it is stunning with video. Wich, in our case, gives it a advantage! We use a Metabones adaptor to EF and Canon 24-70 F2.8, 70-200 F2.8 and a 50mm F1.2. Price/quality wasn't this good till now! Thumbs up for your great product updates!
Thanks for video Having installed the 3.0 overheating firmware update? Has it totally resolved it? Another question: I have the A7ii and a6000 and shoot AVCHD for sermons in 1080p every Sunday. I plan for 4K in 8months. I shoot 40%video and 60%stills (and fusion) My last 3 jobs I had a7ii shooting video on tripod and A6000 shooting stills. I am thinking of 3 options: 1) Replace A7ii for A7Rii 2) A7ii+A7Sii 3) or cry once and replace A7ii with both Rii and Sii. I love the Rii but 3hr service shoot may not work with potential over heating at the back of my mind I love cropping in stills so A7Sii's 12MPs worrying. I could always by one and hire the other(which one) I know it's my choice, but I would value opinions on what you would do in my position. If anyone else can help. Much appreciated...
Excellent. Toby, can u plss review on sony rx10 ii, since it has 4k, 120 fps and 240 fps in full hd. 24-200 mm f2.8 constant aperture. Also how this rx10 ii video quality compares to a7rii, a7sii in good lighting condition. Also it has built in nd filter only cost $1280 only. It will be great help for all of us.
Very confused here. I don't have a sony yet but want a second 4k capable camera. If the a7sii's sensor is only 2768x1848, how is it getting 4k video? Is the image interpolated/upscaled?
Get the A6500. Cheaper, smaller, faster focus, inbuilt stabilisation and slogs. Battery life, rolling shutter and overheating just as poor as the A7000 series.
I don't have need for 4K, so A7II is perfect combination of quality and price for me (waiting for good used/refurbished deal) Sony suggestion for video, Sony FS5?
+PhotoRec Toby Is the 1080p from the A7Rii just as nice as the original A7S 1080p? The reason I ask is that in some cases where a camera can record in 4K, the 1080p quality becomes unaccepable. It is as if you are forced to record in 4K, but there are times I do not need to record in 4K. Looking forward to your reply, many thanks in advance.
I do primarily lifestyle/travel photography (no prints) + video. Currently I'm at about 70/30 (photo/video) but should eventually go to 40/60 with many of the projects I have lined up over the next year. I'm coming from a t2i so I'm obviously going to see a huge upgrade regardless of which I choose. But because I know my video needs are going to increase, I'm debating on just going with the a7sii. I just wish the megapixel count was slightly higher for downgrading.
I bought a Canon XC10 for dedicated video, I'll let the A7r be my dedicated photography camera. I don't get this whole buy a DSLR for video craze when there are so many camcorder options on the market.
I have major issues with the A7sii for taking photos using AF-C it continuously wobbles and I dont get any focus green boxes my supplier said that sony says this is how it works as it does not have phase detect. its just broken we need a fix I know many others with the same issue. see my videos if you want to see the fault in detail.
+PhotoRec Toby yes I have gone all Sony I sold my D4s, D810 & D750. I love them lighter focussing is great and now that I am doing fusion video as well it is amazing. The quality is just as I had if not better and if you trust the focussing I use afc & lock-on af wide. The trick in reception is to use a fast lens I have the 35 1.4 and it always locks on in low light
Can I shoot wedding on a7rii? I mean its faster than the a7sii why should I choose a7sii if a7rii is an all rounder?? Please tell me....I am a bit confused between both
Nice comparison. I'm leaning heavily towards the S (for shooting HD log ) but coming from a Canon background I'd like to use my Canon lenses. Which adapter do you use?
Hey Toby love the videos you do. I'm having a real hard time making my mind up & you are the perfect person to ask. So i had my 5d iii and lenses stolen. I had insurance so i have got my money back. So my question is I have to replace my 5d iii i have these Canon lenses 24-70 ii 70-200 ii 100-400 ii. I now have some cash in my pocket and just can not decide what route to take. I am trying to decide if i should replace the 5d iii with a sony A7r ii or buy a sony A7s ii & another 5d iii since i have the glass. I have a canon XA 20 for video but i want to move to 4k since i have also purchased a inspire 1 pro that shoots 4k i want footage to be the same qaulity. So i am selling the XA 20 audio isnt a issue i have H6 with rode NTG 2 and sennhieser G3. Im just not sure if the A7r ii with metabones is better then 5d iii and im also worried about the AF with my lenses not being what i am used to. The lenses are all BN in the box still so i could make a full switch but i just cant find e mount lenses that are what im used to using thought about waiting for the G master e mounts but dang i thought canon was proud sony is asking a arm and leg for the 70-200 at 3500.00. I also have a 7d ii that i use for action and wildlife it was at home so i still have it. Any help and suggestions would be great. I am nearing my return window on teh lenses so hopefully you read this soon. Thanks a bunch
I would love to get the a7rii, I have been waiting for the a6000 update hopefully it will still have a high fps. I shoot a lot at my daughters softball games.
Why not use the 5diii ? Your partner in crime uses it for weddings and general photography. What added value are you giving your clients that she cannot provide ?
Sony needs to update the A7, and give it a better focusing system and 4K video, and a fully articulating touch screen, for people who want a great all around camera, that is in the middle of the A7r ll and A7s ll with 24 mp, personally I would like to get the A7r ll, but I am holding out for a articulating touch screen, and if Sony doesn't give it on the A7r lll, I will give up on switching to Sony, and maybe Cannon or Nikon will come out with a great FF mirrorless sometime in the next century, or maybe a company like Olympus who has had an articulating touch screen for over five years already
What adapter are you using on the rII? Is it fast and accurate? There aren't many 'real' good lens options in sony's lineup and third party adapters (well, and even sony's) are said to be unable to take full advantage of sony mirrorless autofocusing capabilities, either because they lack phase detection support and take too much time to focus (making them unusable for professional purposes) or because they only use a small fraction of the whole bunch of autofocus points on the sensor. Myself I own a sony nex 5n, a VG900 sony full frame camcorder (too expensive then, considering what it can do, which I learned too late) and a sony a6000, and would really like to have one of these awesome new mirrorless full frame bodies... I've learned Sony products are mostly overprized and overall quality of some of their supposedly professional aimed products and most lenses is quite low, compared to other brands... If only I had the money to spend on all this fancy zeiss glass! It's very frustrating. I want to believe in them and would like to keep on going mirrorless but they are really giving me a hard time. I'm trying to do video so I'm even considering moving to canon.
I wish they'd put an option into the A7RII to shoot at a smaller Raw size. My Canon can do sRaw. Seems like it's just a matter of having it in the firmware. Perhaps they're saving it for the A7R3 or whatever the next camera they're announcing will be. (A9?)
+The Emo Emu YES- did I not mention this in the video, I had it in my notes at one point and seems like an easy firmware fix. Next camera they announce will be the A6100- early feb and I am not sure what after that.
Ugh, I'm even more conflicted lol, I just need it for pictures and mainly video (filming in low light is probably only once a week and capturing pics in low light is once a year), and I only print pics at least once a year (largest print ever for me is probably 8.5" x 11"), please help me decide which one is better for me? (Price is not an issue)
Great video! Are they worth the additional cost compared to the a7ii? (not that I could afford them, being twice the price of the a7ii) Can you tell me about the differences? Ignoring the Megapixel count
why everybody hypes the super35 mode ? this mode is totaly bullshit in terms of fast lenses an bokeh ! i dont wont to loose al my bokeh with this crop mode, so the super35 mode is USELESS
+NDSoundMedia Really? With a good fast lens you should still have a nice shallow depth of field look. If you don't - then don't use it- the difference between the two modes is negligible.
NDSoundMedia Real cinema is done with super35 sensor cameras. Full frame is a photography size. So if it is good enough for Hollywood it should be good enough for us.. :p
+PhotoRec Toby if you took the same photo with both cameras but resized the a7rll down to 12mp what would be the difference ? I don't need more than 12mp so I want to go for the a7sll but don't want to compromise iq,thanks man
+PhotoRec Toby, i recently switched from the RII to the SII, because my buddy and I shoot a lot of video. By heart, I love photography, street, portait, on the fly stuff. In the vid you explain the differences, but did I make a complete mistake by jumping to a video powerhouse? I have yet to try my SII out, am I really losing out on good resolution by dumping my RII? Excuse my simple questions, and my not so vast knowledge on Sony, I used to shoot with Nikon.
Would the much better autofocus change your mind? The A7Rii seems to have a much better autofocus. I am leaning more towards that for video for that reason.
I'll wait until the tech gets cheaper, battery life is improved and AF performance gets better. Until then, I'll not be moving towards mirrorless yet, but I am considering a fujifilm one as a second body to use old FD lenses.
Canon, I currently own a 6D. To be honest the biggest one is battery life 350ish shots vs. nearly 1000 shots means I have to spend less time charging and carry less batteries. I can honestly live with worse AF performance when you consider focus peaking and such, but it would be useful to have, especially if I aim to use it in low light. I want to get one as a 2nd body still since they do have good advantages with using older lenses, and using FD lenses without modification is very lucrative especially that they can be got cheaper than their EF counterparts. Sony's offerings is promising but it's a bit out of my budget at the moment and doesn't provide much over my 6D for what I need, but I will eventually make the jump when the tech develops and gets cheaper.
So a year later... which do you think of your R2...has firmware fixed everything. Specifically the rolling shutter on the R2 is reportedly quite bad. For photo there is no comparison but for video you end up using the R2 in crop mode which basically turns it into an 18MP camera.
I still love my R2 for photos. Crop mode on the A7RII does not turn it into an 18MP camera - it simply crops it more but you still get fantastic 4k footage. The quality out of the camera is fantastic for video and photos - nothing else out there as good BUT I shoot most of my video these days with the GH5 because it is easier and almost as good looking.
Yeah the GH 5 has a nice sweet spot but you have to drop some coin just to get a metabones for canon lens... at least for my needs. So I guess you'd still recommend the A7R vs A7S for video... thats not so common a position.
Nice comparison. I keep hearing of the super 35 mode on the a7rII but I haven't heard anyone mention it about the a7sII, can I use a similar mode on the a7s? Is there any aps-c mode for video?
I really think part of the reason they didn't give the good focusing system to the S II is because most serious videographers don't use Autofocus and manually focus everything. Just a thought!
+Cooper Spaulding I actualy think it has more to do with keeping the sensor as pure as possible for that clean high iso - baking in more phase detection onto the chip takes away from light gathering. . . I think. It is true that many serious videographers MF only but I am running into more and more that appreciate the better AF systems and use them for their work- wedding videographers mostly is who I run into, some event guys too.
+PhotoRec Toby That's actually a pretty good point too! I agree with some people starting to use the AF systems now. Especially with "run and gun" type of situations when a dedicated focus puller is needed and they don't have one. Throwing on an AF system like Canon's Dual Pixel would do a great job.
Thanks for the great videos! They are all super informative!! I've recently found a real passion (and time!) for photography so my next step is buying a camera. I live near loads of beauty in Scotland so why not make the most of it! Your videos have helped :) Thinking an older Sony Alpha model (A7 or A7R) as I love the form factor and the results look stunning.
+Zraupp10 For general easy video they are decent options but the sensors are small and in low light or when you want to have creative control you are limited in what you can do.
Been using a7R II now for couple of months and love the camera, but still thinking of swapping to a7S II just for the low light capabilities. Love photographing the northern lights and with a7S II I could also do real time video of them... Still, I use mostly sigma ef art/contemporary lenses with mc-11 adapter so dunno if the focusing would be too slow for other cases.. Too difficult decision...
+Rick Mentore I'd wait They are missing a camera that needs to offer the better focusing system of the A7RII with a smaller MP and a joystick. I don't love the a99 SLT technology.
+PhotoRec Toby My solution is going to be to get the a7rii and adapt Canon lenses until the 5D mark iv comes out. the a7 will then become my lightweight walking camera when I don't want or need to lug the heavier DSLR around. I am just buying my first full frame gear and I want Canon glass. This seemed like a better solution than buying a 5d mark iii and shelving it in what may be less than a year.
Great Video, i guess there is no perfect camera.. I am mostly interested in Video and have a bunch of Canon Lenses, and since the Canon 5DmarkIV has dissapointed me in the video department, Which would you recommend the A7SII or A7RII mostley for video, i guess i would need a lens adaptor, and i do also have a Atomos External recorder in case heating up starts to annoy me. you opinion would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Again...
+Peter de Jong - Raziëls nl ok but the title is PHOTO and VIDEO. It's okay to have different opinions but as a photographer I would be surprised if you don't think the A7RII has lots to offer.
Coming from 5D and looking into a7s mk ii and a7r mk ii I am seriously frustrated that I can't have a7s mk ii with 20 or so megapixels and backlit sensor
same, I love all the a7s ii features but this 12mp is holding me back from buying it immediately...this is hard...but considering the iso, I'll think I'll go with it
Lucas1Apple12 I'm in the exact same situation. Any update on this?
Reasonable frustration but many Nikon owners still say the D700 is one of the best cameras ever made. I always hear "quality of pixels". Anyway, understandable gripe.
Damn me too
Jamie Whiffen Hey did you buy the a7sii? Im in the same situation and would love to hear back from you.
A7II - the ignored middle step child.
hey! dont insult my partner
Thanks, while this video is 7 years old I still love both of these camera's..... in fact I ordered one each secondhand instead of one A7S iii or A7 IV....or R IV... or V
I'm getting the a7rii for the automotive photography I do. I want as much sharpness and detail as possible.
+mtnman1984 Good plan.
I want both. One I already have for shooting video as I shoot a lot of work in low light, some as low as 104,900 ISO, so 3 stops away from max 409k. But I also shoot landscapes and I'd really love to someday print some of them and 42MP always retains more detail than 12MP, and it's also good if sometimes I need to do a multicamera, as both are Sony and both would match great.
Im just going to continue with my A7R and wait until the next model comes out unless I can get a killer deal on an A7RII. I really thought about the low light kicker but figured I don't really do enough low light imaging to warrant buying the A7SII. If they come out with a higher megapixel A7S III or something like that I may consider the low light beast. I may still go for the S model for doing microscope photography. Usually lousy light so the S model may be the key there. No need for super high megapixel there. But I want clean and crisp.
I use the A7ii and love it. It allows you to crop more and not lose detail in your shot. Low light shooting is better with the A7sii but with good primes this isn't really a problem. So for me the A7rii is my choice.
Cheers, Toby! I'm at a tipping point in investing in a decent camera that I'd like capability in for both film and stills.
Several folk have recommended the RII to me because of this dual capability.
I'm slightly put off by the over-heating issue (why would anyone be ok with this for such an expensive/high-end bit of kit)
Also, with the number of cameras Sony releases, isn't it possible that in the next 12-18months there will be a new R camera that supersedes the mk2?
+Nick Franks Always a possibility of new camera but if you buy from someone else - won't you be just as jealous :) 3.0 firmware seems to really have fixed the overheating option and how often do you need to recored 20 minute clips with 4k anyway? If you are looking for a strong hybrid- it is hard to find anything else better than the A7RII.
Eye cup? Which one u have there? :)
+biscuitsalive Hello I m the person that has the Eyecups for the Sony A7 & A7II cameras, above I posted my links for all of my products for the Sony cameras!
Thanks
Christopher
please please please can you do some more on these two... go out into the field and show us the size of the prints etc etc... do something more in depth as I'm so interested in these two cameras and I'm only an amateur photog. lol it will generate shit loads of views too as there isn't much about the both in one video... mainly wanting photo related info and content but video is also essential for people. thanks toby... +PhotoRec Toby
I sold all my canon equipment and use Sony A7rii and its sony native lens.
the eye auto focus and face auto focus works like a charms.
no more focus recomposing with blurry image. Now all my image are tack sharp and shooting is alot faster.
This face detection and eyes focus work in lowlight like a wedding reception ... with a flash mounted on , the A7rii sensor will "brighten up".
technology have came so far today. We learn the basics and now technology make our life easier.
Sony need to increase it lens choice, like a 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 and 135mm f2
+Jeffer Tan I believe they just released those very lenses.
A7SII appeals to me more because I would be using it mostly for video work. I'd be totally happy with either though. This video looks really good!
Hi Toby,
I'm looking to buy either a A7RII (cheaper) or A7 III (newer).
Saying I do 40% Video, 60% Photo, is 300 bucks worth it to get the A7III?
Hi Marshall - this is a tough call. I am really leaning toward to the a7iii because of the better ergonomics, better battery life and better AF for photos and video. $300 feels like an amount that is worth it to spend to get the better camera.
I went back and forth on which of these cameras to buy. I settled on the A7SII because of the low light. I also felt that I didn't need the Pixels cause once you got em then you have to store them. If I did this as my job perhaps I would choose differently. Thanks for the comparison. Excellent video.
After 4 years, how do you like the A7SII? I'm thinking of buying one used.
@@averageguy1261 buy the a7rii
that doesnt even make sense becuase you dont have to shoot at 42 megapixel. And low light can be pulled of with a super crop 35 or lighting. Your sacrificing your Af AND COLOR OCNTRASTING.
Best way to avoid overheating while shooting long 4K video clips is to use a dummy battery and external power. You can record for hours this way.
The A7s is a scam. Lowlighting is its superiority but you sacrifice your AF, and superior photo quality. You can also have very close iso to the A7s if you do a crop35. I dont understand why the a7s has to exist except for consumerism
Does the A7sii overheats?
It hasn't on me.
A7rii feels good for me
A7Rii definitely appeals to me...but not to my wallet.
Hi there! Apart from the dilemma about choosing between these two cameras I am concerned about the adapter for canon lenses choice... I heard that non of the adapters in the market are actually usable concerning automatic focus. However you say you prefer a7r ii for its better automatic focus so it means that the adapters actually work. Could you tell me which one are you using and you are happy with? Thanks a lot!!! :)
Gerard Puigmal I have an a7rii with a canon lens. It focuses good
Shit. I just can't decide :(
Me too 1 year after :(
Thanks for the great review. Hopefully my wife won't get mad when I buy the A7sii to do more UA-cam videos
Your video is focused,clean, tight, free of distraction and strikes and excellent balance between to little and to much info. Thx.
Which one is better for Night time lapses, I moved from the Canon80D to Sony A7 (rubbish for the night lapses), and now I cant choose which one is better particular for Milky Way lapses... Before that video I was definitely for a king of low light A7Sii, but now I'm disappointed. Also the price is big deal for me A7sii I can buy slightly used for $2000 AUS, A7Rii -$2500Aus and A7II almost brand new only for $900Aus (I'm from Australia). My lapses are Ok and the lens is Samyang 14/2.8 but still not perfect, lot of noise even on 3200 ISO ((( and I decide to buy A7S ii which could help me with the noise problem.
Great vid, best explanations between the distinctions separating the two. The lure of high ISO performance is strong but I fear the market has moved on from 12MP and as a Nikon shooter, at times frustrated with the high ISO performance of my D800E, perhaps I'll wait for the D5. The hell of it is in every other measure the D800E is a superlative RAW shooter, OK with JEPG's and a keeper for certain. Still in all if shooting for clients I'll tend to the higher resolution and perhaps the D5 will hit the sweet spot for my needs but dear God that price... Please keep up the great work Toby and hang onto that MP monster it will serve you well for some time!!!
+Steve Ottavaino I love the sony for general photography and travel - very nice setup and having all those MP are fun! Thanks! D800E remains strong, loads of options and the D5 does look nice. . except that price !
Wooooow, where can I buy this evf hood that is used for a7sii
+费子谦 Hello I am the person that has the Eyecups for the Sony A7/A7R/A7S cameras and an Eyecup for the A7II/A7RII/7SII/77MII cameras. Where to find them and my Button Enhancers and now for the Video Button.
Eyecups For Sony A7II/A7RII/7SII/77MII cameras
www.ebay.com/itm/191752127737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Eyecups for Sony A7/A7R/A7S cameras
www.ebay.com/itm/191728948175?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Button Enhancers
www.ebay.com/itm/191728948937?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
www.ebay.com/itm/191728949433?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Video Button Enhancer
www.ebay.com/itm/191741091105?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Sony A7 (ALL) Series Lens Release Button & Lens Mounting Button Enhancer System
www.ebay.com/itm/191728950430?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Any questions you can contact me there or from Toby!
Thanks
Christopher
On a given sensor size, a lower megapixel count with bigger pixels will produce cleaner images. Also rolling shutter will decrease. Maybe the A7Sii isn't that good with photography, it is stunning with video. Wich, in our case, gives it a advantage! We use a Metabones adaptor to EF and Canon 24-70 F2.8, 70-200 F2.8 and a 50mm F1.2. Price/quality wasn't this good till now!
Thumbs up for your great product updates!
Thanks for video
Having installed the 3.0 overheating firmware update? Has it totally resolved it?
Another question:
I have the A7ii and a6000 and shoot AVCHD for sermons in 1080p every Sunday. I plan for 4K in 8months. I shoot 40%video and 60%stills (and fusion) My last 3 jobs I had a7ii shooting video on tripod and A6000 shooting stills. I am thinking of 3 options: 1) Replace A7ii for A7Rii 2) A7ii+A7Sii 3) or cry once and replace A7ii with both Rii and Sii. I love the Rii but 3hr service shoot may not work with potential over heating at the back of my mind I love cropping in stills so A7Sii's 12MPs worrying. I could always by one and hire the other(which one) I know it's my choice, but I would value opinions on what you would do in my position. If anyone else can help. Much appreciated...
Excellent. Toby, can u plss review on sony rx10 ii, since it has 4k, 120 fps and 240 fps in full hd. 24-200 mm f2.8 constant aperture. Also how this rx10 ii video quality compares to a7rii, a7sii in good lighting condition. Also it has built in nd filter only cost $1280 only. It will be great help for all of us.
I am asking this because for most of us sony a7 series is costly.
+MOHD Rizz I hope to have that in for review later this spring. I understand the full frame A7 series are not cheap.
+PhotoRec Toby Thanks Toby
Very confused here. I don't have a sony yet but want a second 4k capable camera. If the a7sii's sensor is only 2768x1848, how is it getting 4k video? Is the image interpolated/upscaled?
Get the A6500. Cheaper, smaller, faster focus, inbuilt stabilisation and slogs.
Battery life, rolling shutter and overheating just as poor as the A7000 series.
I don't have need for 4K, so A7II is perfect combination of quality and price for me (waiting for good used/refurbished deal)
Sony suggestion for video, Sony FS5?
+Dalibor Mrkic yep :)
+PhotoRec Toby Is the 1080p from the A7Rii just as nice as the original A7S 1080p? The reason I ask is that in some cases where a camera can record in 4K, the 1080p quality becomes unaccepable. It is as if you are forced to record in 4K, but there are times I do not need to record in 4K. Looking forward to your reply, many thanks in advance.
+Spikey Groeneweg The 1080 is great!
I do primarily lifestyle/travel photography (no prints) + video. Currently I'm at about 70/30 (photo/video) but should eventually go to 40/60 with many of the projects I have lined up over the next year.
I'm coming from a t2i so I'm obviously going to see a huge upgrade regardless of which I choose. But because I know my video needs are going to increase, I'm debating on just going with the a7sii. I just wish the megapixel count was slightly higher for downgrading.
I bought a Canon XC10 for dedicated video, I'll let the A7r be my dedicated photography camera. I don't get this whole buy a DSLR for video craze when there are so many camcorder options on the market.
I have major issues with the A7sii for taking photos using AF-C it continuously wobbles and I dont get any focus green boxes my supplier said that sony says this is how it works as it does not have phase detect. its just broken we need a fix I know many others with the same issue. see my videos if you want to see the fault in detail.
The A7S II shoots 12 megapixel stills at 4240x2832. Not sure where you got 2768x1848 from at 2:58.
Hello all, the Eyecups and Button Enhancers that Toby likes and is testing now, I posted links below under Christopher Engell.
Thanks
Christopher
Toby I use the A7rii for all my weddings and love it.
+David Oastler As your primary camera? I do love the quality, just don't love the slower function that comes as a result of the larger files.
+PhotoRec Toby yes I have gone all Sony I sold my D4s, D810 & D750. I love them lighter focussing is great and now that I am doing fusion video as well it is amazing. The quality is just as I had if not better and if you trust the focussing I use afc & lock-on af wide. The trick in reception is to use a fast lens I have the 35 1.4 and it always locks on in low light
+David Oastler I also often shoot super 35 for reception and wedding pics and then go full frame for formals
Can I shoot wedding on a7rii? I mean its faster than the a7sii why should I choose a7sii if a7rii is an all rounder?? Please tell me....I am a bit confused between both
Nice comparison. I'm leaning heavily towards the S (for shooting HD log ) but coming from a Canon background I'd like to use my Canon lenses. Which adapter do you use?
Hey Toby love the videos you do. I'm having a real hard time making my mind up & you are the perfect person to ask.
So i had my 5d iii and lenses stolen. I had insurance so i have got my money back. So my question is I have to replace my 5d iii i have these Canon lenses 24-70 ii 70-200 ii 100-400 ii. I now have some cash in my pocket and just can not decide what route to take. I am trying to decide if i should replace the 5d iii with a sony A7r ii or buy a sony A7s ii & another 5d iii since i have the glass. I have a canon XA 20 for video but i want to move to 4k since i have also purchased a inspire 1 pro that shoots 4k i want footage to be the same qaulity. So i am selling the XA 20 audio isnt a issue i have H6 with rode NTG 2 and sennhieser G3. Im just not sure if the A7r ii with metabones is better then 5d iii and im also worried about the AF with my lenses not being what i am used to.
The lenses are all BN in the box still so i could make a full switch but i just cant find e mount lenses that are what im used to using thought about waiting for the G master e mounts but dang i thought canon was proud sony is asking a arm and leg for the 70-200 at 3500.00. I also have a 7d ii that i use for action and wildlife it was at home so i still have it. Any help and suggestions would be great. I am nearing my return window on teh lenses so hopefully you read this soon. Thanks a bunch
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Hello. in your comparison of resolution your 12mp crop is rather a 6mp crop in fact, did someone notice?
I would love to get the a7rii, I have been waiting for the a6000 update hopefully it will still have a high fps. I shoot a lot at my daughters softball games.
Hello. in your comparison of resolution your 12mp crop is rather a 6mp crop in fact, did someone notice?
Confusing shit, there was simply no need for two cameras...
Practical and clear presentation! Information depth revealed gave audiences pointers for consideration, good job!
Why not use the 5diii ? Your partner in crime uses it for weddings and general photography. What added value are you giving your clients that she cannot provide ?
+joel cleare i guess comfort while shootong, but its comfort for him. but i suppose that he also shoot 4k for the wedding
+joel cleare better sensors?
+Ken Cheng if you have clients that can tell the difference between full frame sensors then your probably going to shoot a medium format system.
joel cleare especially when shooting RAW...
Sony needs to update the A7, and give it a better focusing system and 4K video, and a fully articulating touch screen, for people who want a great all around camera, that is in the middle of the A7r ll and A7s ll with 24 mp, personally I would like to get the A7r ll, but I am holding out for a articulating touch screen, and if Sony doesn't give it on the A7r lll, I will give up on switching to Sony, and maybe Cannon or Nikon will come out with a great FF mirrorless sometime in the next century, or maybe a company like Olympus who has had an articulating touch screen for over five years already
+photographerjonathan I agree - there is a missing camera- I think the A7 Mark III will hit the sweet spot.
What adapter are you using on the rII? Is it fast and accurate? There aren't many 'real' good lens options in sony's lineup and third party adapters (well, and even sony's) are said to be unable to take full advantage of sony mirrorless autofocusing capabilities, either because they lack phase detection support and take too much time to focus (making them unusable for professional purposes) or because they only use a small fraction of the whole bunch of autofocus points on the sensor. Myself I own a sony nex 5n, a VG900 sony full frame camcorder (too expensive then, considering what it can do, which I learned too late) and a sony a6000, and would really like to have one of these awesome new mirrorless full frame bodies... I've learned Sony products are mostly overprized and overall quality of some of their supposedly professional aimed products and most lenses is quite low, compared to other brands... If only I had the money to spend on all this fancy zeiss glass! It's very frustrating. I want to believe in them and would like to keep on going mirrorless but they are really giving me a hard time. I'm trying to do video so I'm even considering moving to canon.
+Eduard Barco Reig Watch ua-cam.com/video/WRgsSepyo4g/v-deo.html
I wish they'd put an option into the A7RII to shoot at a smaller Raw size. My Canon can do sRaw. Seems like it's just a matter of having it in the firmware.
Perhaps they're saving it for the A7R3 or whatever the next camera they're announcing will be. (A9?)
+The Emo Emu YES- did I not mention this in the video, I had it in my notes at one point and seems like an easy firmware fix. Next camera they announce will be the A6100- early feb and I am not sure what after that.
Ugh, I'm even more conflicted lol, I just need it for pictures and mainly video (filming in low light is probably only once a week and capturing pics in low light is once a year), and I only print pics at least once a year (largest print ever for me is probably 8.5" x 11"), please help me decide which one is better for me? (Price is not an issue)
Omar Gutierrez a7s ii if you're making small prints. 42mp is overkill.
Great video! Are they worth the additional cost compared to the a7ii? (not that I could afford them, being twice the price of the a7ii)
Can you tell me about the differences? Ignoring the Megapixel count
+Saman Miran No 4K on A7II
+ObelixCMM Is that all? This alone does not justify the 1.5k - 2k price difference (for me at least)
Saman Miran With new update A7II have same AF functions as A7RII, so MP and 4K are only differences
+ObelixCMM How can they have the same AF? A7RII has almost twice as many as the A7II
Saman Miran Yes A7RII does have more phase detect AF points, but they work same way. This was not the case in initial release of A7II
why everybody hypes the super35 mode ? this mode is totaly bullshit in terms of fast lenses an bokeh ! i dont wont to loose al my bokeh with this crop mode, so the super35 mode is USELESS
+NDSoundMedia Really? With a good fast lens you should still have a nice shallow depth of field look. If you don't - then don't use it- the difference between the two modes is negligible.
ive own a 50mm f0.95 , this should be fast enough, but you loose so muche bokeh, feels like f2 now
NDSoundMedia Real cinema is done with super35 sensor cameras. Full frame is a photography size. So if it is good enough for Hollywood it should be good enough for us.. :p
+PhotoRec Toby if you took the same photo with both cameras but resized the a7rll down to 12mp what would be the difference ? I don't need more than 12mp so I want to go for the a7sll but don't want to compromise iq,thanks man
+palaHD Get the A7sII man!
So aren't there any Brits who have the A7S II??
Toby. You were not looking into the lens, and it felt weird.
What about the A711, how does this compare alongside the A7R11 and the A7S11?
+Jeff Thomas For regular folks that don't need 4K or massive MP the A7II is the sweet spot. Lovely quality and great value.
Good review with actual reasons for and against.
do u still say A7RII is the best out there ?
+PhotoRec Toby, i recently switched from the RII to the SII, because my buddy and I shoot a lot of video. By heart, I love photography, street, portait, on the fly stuff. In the vid you explain the differences, but did I make a complete mistake by jumping to a video powerhouse? I have yet to try my SII out, am I really losing out on good resolution by dumping my RII? Excuse my simple questions, and my not so vast knowledge on Sony, I used to shoot with Nikon.
+Jonathan Rivera for street and portraits 12MP is enough. Just be careful to compose correctly - you don't have much room for crop :)
thank you, i appreciate your response. keep up the awesome vids.
For videos and cinematic shoots I will definitely go for A7s II. Also lighter than other DSLR's and less heat thank A7R II
Would the much better autofocus change your mind? The A7Rii seems to have a much better autofocus. I am leaning more towards that for video for that reason.
which EF to E adapter do you use or recommend?
I'll wait until the tech gets cheaper, battery life is improved and AF performance gets better. Until then, I'll not be moving towards mirrorless yet, but I am considering a fujifilm one as a second body to use old FD lenses.
+Mister Shledge What system are you shooting with right now? It is true, next generation should be VERY good.. so will the one after that and :)
Canon, I currently own a 6D.
To be honest the biggest one is battery life 350ish shots vs. nearly 1000 shots means I have to spend less time charging and carry less batteries.
I can honestly live with worse AF performance when you consider focus peaking and such, but it would be useful to have, especially if I aim to use it in low light.
I want to get one as a 2nd body still since they do have good advantages with using older lenses, and using FD lenses without modification is very lucrative especially that they can be got cheaper than their EF counterparts.
Sony's offerings is promising but it's a bit out of my budget at the moment and doesn't provide much over my 6D for what I need, but I will eventually make the jump when the tech develops and gets cheaper.
Wow you really love the Sony A7SII!!!
nice comparison, thanks for sharing
So a year later... which do you think of your R2...has firmware fixed everything. Specifically the rolling shutter on the R2 is reportedly quite bad. For photo there is no comparison but for video you end up using the R2 in crop mode which basically turns it into an 18MP camera.
I still love my R2 for photos. Crop mode on the A7RII does not turn it into an 18MP camera - it simply crops it more but you still get fantastic 4k footage. The quality out of the camera is fantastic for video and photos - nothing else out there as good BUT I shoot most of my video these days with the GH5 because it is easier and almost as good looking.
Yeah the GH 5 has a nice sweet spot but you have to drop some coin just to get a metabones for canon lens... at least for my needs. So I guess you'd still recommend the A7R vs A7S for video... thats not so common a position.
Very good choice in BGM for the intro.
Nice comparison. I keep hearing of the super 35 mode on the a7rII but I haven't heard anyone mention it about the a7sII, can I use a similar mode on the a7s? Is there any aps-c mode for video?
+Ernie Melendrez Sorry, no dice. If you want Super 35 mode you need to get the A7Rii.
+Ernie Melendrez Super 35 is close to APS-C crop, there is not enough pixels on A7SII for 4K in crop mode.
I really think part of the reason they didn't give the good focusing system to the S II is because most serious videographers don't use Autofocus and manually focus everything. Just a thought!
+Cooper Spaulding I actualy think it has more to do with keeping the sensor as pure as possible for that clean high iso - baking in more phase detection onto the chip takes away from light gathering. . . I think. It is true that many serious videographers MF only but I am running into more and more that appreciate the better AF systems and use them for their work- wedding videographers mostly is who I run into, some event guys too.
+PhotoRec Toby That's actually a pretty good point too! I agree with some people starting to use the AF systems now. Especially with "run and gun" type of situations when a dedicated focus puller is needed and they don't have one. Throwing on an AF system like Canon's Dual Pixel would do a great job.
A7s II is a beast, but just in Canon 5D mark 4 expected to be out late summer (august).
You're right! It's announced now.
The 5D mark Iv was bad 😭 getting the a7s ii for film school
Thanks for the great videos! They are all super informative!! I've recently found a real passion (and time!) for photography so my next step is buying a camera. I live near loads of beauty in Scotland so why not make the most of it! Your videos have helped :) Thinking an older Sony Alpha model (A7 or A7R) as I love the form factor and the results look stunning.
+Michael Yeoman I'd lean toward the A7II instead of the A7R. The stabilization is nice and enough improvements that it is worth the decrease in MP.
+PhotoRec Toby thanks so much. I'll deffinitely look into that. I highly doubt I'd be printing anyway! Take care.
By the time I'm finished saving for the rII, the rIII will be released. It's a good time to be upgrading.
+John Campbell Lots of good options!
and it did...
whats wrong with a camcorder to record video -?
+Zraupp10 For general easy video they are decent options but the sensors are small and in low light or when you want to have creative control you are limited in what you can do.
Why use "mark"?!
thanks. great breakdown.
Been using a7R II now for couple of months and love the camera, but still thinking of swapping to a7S II just for the low light capabilities. Love photographing the northern lights and with a7S II I could also do real time video of them... Still, I use mostly sigma ef art/contemporary lenses with mc-11 adapter so dunno if the focusing would be too slow for other cases.. Too difficult decision...
Juha Nyman does it overheat after the firmware update?
santosh walvekar so far I haven't had any overheating issues with the camera. Hopefully will stay the same in the future. 🙂
Juha Nyman Thanks for the information.
Great video Toby!
Great video toby
What lense adapter do you use for these cameras? (to Canon lenses)
Sigma MC11 or the Metabones adapter ua-cam.com/video/jWlhmL2NQWE/v-deo.html
Toby you said that the A7RII was not ready for weddings, would you go with the A7II or the A99. I want to go with a full frame.
+Rick Mentore I'd wait They are missing a camera that needs to offer the better focusing system of the A7RII with a smaller MP and a joystick. I don't love the a99 SLT technology.
+PhotoRec Toby My solution is going to be to get the a7rii and adapt Canon lenses until the 5D mark iv comes out. the a7 will then become my lightweight walking camera when I don't want or need to lug the heavier DSLR around. I am just buying my first full frame gear and I want Canon glass. This seemed like a better solution than buying a 5d mark iii and shelving it in what may be less than a year.
+mtnman1984 I'd go sony lenses as much as possible the 55mm f/1.8 is fantastic and I really hope we get a few more fast zooms soon.
Overheating after the firmware update? Some stated it no longer overheats.
+Kevin Did you see my note?
+Kevin seems you didn't even watch the video before posting your question
I often comment as I watch and miss the notes. Sorry if that offended you.
gr8 vid bro
send me that a7sII please =(
Great Video, i guess there is no perfect camera.. I am mostly interested in Video and have a bunch of Canon Lenses, and since the Canon 5DmarkIV has dissapointed me in the video department, Which would you recommend the A7SII or A7RII mostley for video, i guess i would need a lens adaptor, and i do also have a Atomos External recorder in case heating up starts to annoy me. you opinion would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks Again...
Have you decided? I am wanting one mostly for video. The autofocus has me leaning more towards the R
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+Peter de Jong - Raziëls nl lol. Insert other manufacturer fan boy here ________ ;)
+PhotoRec Toby Nop, just not interested in video. :-)
+Peter de Jong - Raziëls nl ok but the title is PHOTO and VIDEO. It's okay to have different opinions but as a photographer I would be surprised if you don't think the A7RII has lots to offer.