Crawling, Climbing And Desert Running: The Ram TRX & Ford Raptor Take on Moab But Which Is Best?
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2021
- It's time for the new 2021 Ram TRX to face its first major off-road trial. Can it conquer the Ford F-150 Raptor in Moab, or is the Raptor still king of this terrain? We find out!
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You guys are the best in the world at reviews and entertainment and we always see it first only on tfl we love you guys!!!
Thinking the exact same thing!
2nd best after OG top gear
Yeah no ..sorry just city slicker reviews lol
TFL is second to Clarkson, Hammond and May. However when it comes trucks yeah they are the best.
@@2pi628 ikooo
I love the new TRX even though she has a drinking problem.
Just my kinda gal...
Unfortunately mine as well
If you have enough money to buy one it’s not a concern.
@@CrazyInjun1 appetite of breaking itself apart
Mopar 💪
The permanent smile on Roman’s face when he’s in the TRX says it all. 😀
So true
That truck has the potential to make a grown man feel like a 15 years old kid again. 😀
But that smile fades at the pump.
TRX Ram ❤#1/////
Boomer
I've had 3 2021 Silvarado commercials during this episode. Man, Chevy doesn't like being left out 😂
They should definitely build a similar truck. I've always been a Ford guy but I believe all three do their best when they have more competition
@@robertbrown6933 Exactly my thoughts. I'm driving a Ford and happy to see they'll need to bring in something new to keep up with the TRX. I know my next truck will be better for it.
I know it’s like hilarious
Dont be cheap...get Premium
I got 3 State Farms about the Kellys stupid sleeping baby. They should make money, package it up and shell it to a sweat shop. It and FB messenger are the only ads I now see since then elections are over.
Still love the Raptor!
Same. Very capable and it looks a little meaner than the TRX in my opinion. Currently have a 5.7 Ram and even though the TRX is probably out of my budget range, I’m not sure I’d be quick to buy another RAM. I’ve been trying to get my hands on a 2nd gen Raptor for the past month because I really want one, but they’re so hard to find. The only thing I’d genuinely miss is the sound of that Hemi.
@@arx4-571 The 5.7 is no slouch either! My mindset with the 2nd gen Raptor has always been it sounds cool anyway just because the fact it is a Raptor! A little immature mindset? Maybe, but it sure makes you care less about the v8!
@@chieffan2525 true, I drove one and the ecoboost completely blows the 5.7 out of the water. My main issue with my RAM is the BW44-44 t-case (with the 4WD auto feature, only one you can get in Europe unless it's a rebel) isn't great off-road at all and got me stuck in a pretty nasty spot where a truck with a true 4WD Lock would've gotten me out.
This + the bad transmission programming (transmission itself is great, a lot of cars have a ZF 8-speed over here), the ticking lifters, ... I just started looking for something new and always loved the Raptor, lol!
I'm a little hesitant because TFL announced they'll show off the new one in February (maybe with a V8), but I always loved the 2nd gens.
A V8 rumble really adds to the driving experience for me, I know it sounds so incredibly stupid. But on the other hand you get a so much more capable truck, so... it's tough lol!
@@arx4-571 I do believe the V8 Raptor will be priced more like the TRX. Honestly I just can't wait for the Gen 3s to come out to shake the market on pricing for Gen 2s. They hold their value to the point where its gonna be 5 years til they are relatively affordable
@@chieffan2525 you're right, good point... that'd suck. It doesn't need to be a 700 hp V8 truck though, it's a lot of fun but no one needs that.
And yes, trucks hold value like crazy over here as well. My RAM with about 80k miles if I converted that correctly is still worth about €32K if I trade it in, probably more if I'd sell it. Was new just under €50K.
Raptors are even crazier, even the 1st gens are still incredibly pricey where I live!
I recall when Andre was going over the order spec on the TRX , there were countless people telling you guys it was a mistake to not order the $500 surround cam system on the TRX.
We all knew you would take it to places like this, and would regret not having surround cams. Looked like Tommy found the front cam very helpful especially on that slick rock climb.
The sight lines on the raptor are actually pretty good offroad. I did a steep climb last week and could actually see where I was going. I use the cams mostly for maneuvering around in tight spaces. These trucks are so big on the trail the cameras are super nice to have.
Thats crazy that trx doesn't come with front camera already. Like rapter. It should be must include $80+ truck
@@RM-xx6fm it’s not an $80k truck, it’s a $77k truck. Base price with base options. The surround/front camera is a must on these trucks! Too bad they didn’t get it.
@@marvinheadrick3511 and can go well over 100k. Point is at that price point just put the cams and especially with a truck that big and wide
@@joel9405 oh I agree that it should have the cams! I couldn’t drive my Power Wagon without em hardly. But trim levels are trim levels. If they had paid a little more they’d have it. We have a Jaguar FPace that was $40 k, and has no cameras and dim halogen headlights. It drives me a bit crazy, but if we’d bought one with that stuff it’d have been $60k. Maybe make them all the same and throw out the lowest price and the highest price and charge somewhere in the middle.
Most importantly, which one has the best turning circle? Walmart parking lots are tight. Asking for a friend.
Raptor definitely
The turning circle of the normal F150 is already the worst in the class… Raptor just makes it worse…
@@ysgood you must be joking
@@Leroy1 Did you drive any other trucks other than F150. At least for crew cabs with short bed, F150 has the worst turning circle. You simply can't do U turns on most double lanes. Silverado is just little bit better but the visibility is much worse. Ram is the best among the three. I don't have a Raptor, but considering its offset and width, not a chance it's better than normal F150s.
This is honestly the best offroading UA-cam channel
In real life the natural habitat for 98% of theses trucks is a mall parking lot.
Facts.
Do people really still go to malls? I haven't been in one in close to 20 years. You can get everything delivered to your house.
Who goes to malls?
True. Also very overpriced. For 10k or less you could build an old truck to outperform either of these.
@@Enchanted3DPrints Yes indeed. After a lot of research, I picked up a '21 Tacoma TRD Off Road. For the type of four wheeling I intend to do it will be perfect. I am not going to be rock crawling nor am I desert racing, just overlanding on desert two tracks. I figure I can get by with just a few mods and have exactly what I want without breaking the bank.
Looks like Roman might be buying that dodge for his own daily. Though Tommy’s point “do you really need 700hp to go half a mile an hour”. Lol
I thought he did buy it?
He did buy it
@@JonBecker81 it’s there long term vehicle for tfltruck
They aren't rock crawlers they're desert runners. But got to give the Raptor something lol.
@@PyroBlonde7777 the raptor isnt a crawler either though?
The face we got at the end of that German lesson and questioning was gold. Confused shrugging and acceptance all in one 😂
This is why I prefer to watch this YT channel, you guys always give the honest opinion of the cars/SUVs/ trucks you drive so people can have a better idea of what to purchase
Something about watching this with the whole father and son comparing vehicles makes it a bit more enjoyable! Awesome video guys!
Nothing like drinking hot coffee on a Saturday morning, watching a new TFL video.
Real world not-setting-your-truck-on-fire-for-views. Thanks for that! Love that you leave the bloopers in 👍
I’ve driven both and I find that on offroad trails that are more high speed, the raptor does better. The TRX is heavier in the front so the dip up front is not that great. On the same trail I was able to get up to 50-60 easily and was comfortable but in the TRX only about 40-50 and I was wincing because the front was hitting very badly.
Your German lesson was spot on...take it from a guy with that "ei" in his last name lol Ernewein = Earn-a-wine
I agree he was correct on the shocks , curious if memory serves , doesn’t the w in your name pronounce with a v sound in German ?
yeah, truth be told my great grandpa swapped the v to a w back in the day when he came to Canada lol
General German rule - whether ie or ei just pronounce the long form of the second letter.
Haha my name has been pronounced wrong all my life too!
As a German Weik, I sure wish this lesson were more popular!
"Does things no truck should do"?
Wrong.
Does things EVERY TRUCK should do.
The desert-running part - maybe it doesn't look so amazing since we're all used to watching trophy trucks in baja or whatever - but a typical stock truck is going to be running out of suspension travel and hammering the driver and vehicle a lot at that speed.
@@youtubeaccount9058 try my F350, it would beat you to death at anything over 5 MPH.
Great videography, those are some quality visuals, getting so much better over the years. Keep up the good work!
i love the way that TRX sounds, that supercharged Hemi just begs to be unleashed.
Love watching y’all with my morning coffee!
That soft-topper just doesn’t look right on that Raptor.
I like it a lot actually
I agree 100% looks terrible on there.
I have seen many a comment, Telling them to take that silly looking thing off there. Lol
I think it looks ok on the Tacoma. The shape of the topper is not complementary to the silhouette of the Raptor. Just comes across as sloppy.
You should not put a topper on your truck it makes it look like a old mans truck. It’s just not cool looking.
@@Ryanhaglund Exactly!
It just doesn’t fit or align with the contours of the F150.
Love the dynamic between you guys. Pretty entertaining, keep it up!
Love the lightheartedness of your videos, especially this one.
Great video TFL!!! Love seeing you guys asking and talking about the questions we would all have about the trucks and exposing details. I love the data you’re able to present, not from guessing but from real information you’ve received from the engineers. As a daily I still have oils go Raptor. The operation costs would be much lower than TRX. Hopefully I have my ducks in a row I’d consider buying the Raptor in a year! It would tow my blue GT350. Going for that RED WHITE AND BLUE setup!!
The Raptor did very good👍, and the new Raptor will be even way better. I've a lot of hope Ford.
I think they both did very well.
Raptor had the lime light for how long? Mopar all the way!
@69Mach I CJ you wish bud. We all saw how GM and Ford did at FSSC. They got gapped with a weight handicap lmao. Don't even get me started on the Hemis of old...
@69Mach I CJ same, thats why Im here lol.
@@PyroBlonde7777 Yeah the hemi was ok. While Chrysler was copying the French design and stuffing a big block under it. Ford was busy Copying the French design stuffing a FE medium block under a SOHC head design crushing anything Chrysler was doing. THE RACE WORLD FEARED THE CAMMER ford had and banned it. Could've changed the industry as we knew it. But like anything else the world is afraid of change..... If that Cammer was developed like a basic pushrod Hemi over the years ohhhh man would it be sick.... Look what John Mihovetzs has done with accufab 4.6L DOHC fords.... Couldve been a great world but everyone was afraid of it made more power then them all....
Best of the best, period. Very cool, entertaining and informative reviews, great work TFL
Good stuff! My Saturday morning wake up content has been satisfied. :)
That Ford raptor looks soo good ! I love the trx but the raptor actually looks meaner in red love it guys
Streetspeed717 just put is Trx on fire that’s why I come back to this channel 😭
Me too!!!! 😞😞
Same
Normally I really like, streetspeed717. But I don’t enjoy watching his, TRX, content!
@@rodwood693 Yup. Gives the wrong impression with money and value. Just throw it away just for glory. In all reality it’s not right.
I thought it was just me. It comes across very immature. Yes, people can do what they want with their money. And of course we all wanted to see it jumped. But putting mudboggers and lighting on fire is just idiotic.
Kudos on the filming and the production value. The audio and the visual quality was awesome. Give the production guys a cold one they derserve it.
HANDS DOWN best channel on UA-cam.💪💪💪💪. “LOVE the content, the personalities. Thank you.
Show the inclinometer on steep ascents and descents.
Hey Andre@tfltruck! Y'all should do another video of both trucks doing a desert race but show the actual speeds of the trucks! Or go to death valley and do a 1 mile/ 1/4 mile drag race in the desert
You guys are the best! I love the banter. Keep making great videos
I love that one older guy that spoke German. That was awesome!
Like many things in life there is no "best". Ppl have different tastes likes expectations comfort levels demands preferences and needs. What's best for me maybe isn't best for you. When we add up all the parameters and adjust for individual tastes......the TRX wins : D
Super cool video! I fall into that category of people that would never even dream of paying 100k for a dodge truck. No matter what they bolt to it
Agreed. Worst reliability in the industry. Everyone knows fiat stands for fix it again tony
@@Enchanted3DPrints What's unreliable about it then if you're such an expert on the subject? Engine has decent reliability ratings for having 700 hp. The ZF 8 speed is bulletproof, and even Toyota uses it. Fiat is ranked number 1 for reliability in Europe. Get your head out of your ass.
@@Enchanted3DPrints you obviously have no clue what your talking about and buddy up there talking about reliability but has a BMW M4 as a prof pic 😂 which has to be the brand that has the most reliability issues
Excellent video Gents! Both trucks are beast!!
“Drone down!” was the surprise, besides that last crawl test. 😳
Outstanding video fellas 👏
You watched it in less than a minute? 😂
😆😂
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this video! Slowest drag race was awesome! Raptor all day, carving the dessert with blade is way better then a hammer.
Although I don’t think anyone on this channel has the annoying “game show host” voice, I’m glad you brought it up. So many channels do this and it’s terrible.
love to hear those exhausts and engines' sound
I absolutely love the TRX and I'll just pay the price for the mpg lol
If you can afford the truck, the gas shouldn't be an issue
Out of curiosity, which one had the more comfortable ride when you were doing the high speed off roading?
I am a diehard ford truck fan and have been a very long time I've had great trouble free luck with them that being said it looks like ram has really improved to the point I would definitely consider one for my next purchase. I am thrilled that the raptor will have to improve to be the top truck. Thank you T F L for all you do! I also bought my last truck based solely on your videos and still love my truck.
I had such a big smile on my face when you went Baja mode. I'm jealous.
I’d like to see a technical desert race between both.
Baja 1000
Was there a reason you only talked about the Raptors rear fender clearance issue and didn’t really show it visibly? Was it cut for a reason? I saw it on one side but we didn’t get to see you on the other discussing the rubbing issue?
probably happens alot when you add 500lbs to the bed with that ugly camper thing.
@@enigma9789 Doesn't matter. It shouldn't happen, and that probably doesn't even weigh 200lbs.
I have been waiting this video for ages.
As a TFL Viewer since Day one A Superb Video production And quality piece Bot The Best Part in Father And Son Having Fun, That’s what Life is All about👌 All The Best Again Evan From New City NY!
Thanks for being here from the beginning!
If anything, this video just emphasizes how brilliant the Raptor is. Its more nimble and just seems more capable in the rough stuff. The V8 engine is the only reason why the two chose the TRX. On ability, looks like the Raptor still has it. It seemed more confident in the high speed runs as well.
As my German teacher said - When 'I' and 'E' go walkin', the second one does the talkin'. Why he decided to put it like this, I'll never know.
Maybe Bilstein is an exception like weiner.
Absolutely love your videos. I pointed my Raptor up Baby Lion and saw nothing but sky. My pucker factor wasn’t up to it. I used to think Hugh Hefner was the man, but I’m reconsidering.
Another great video guys!!!!!!
This is the video I've been waiting on since y'all bought a Raptor and TRX. I'd still take the Raptor tho.
V8 FTW!
V8 for the gas 😂
12mpg isn’t winning anything! And that’s at highway speeds. It’s probably 7mpg in crawl mode
@@brokenwrench404 so I'm guessing your a ford guy but I never hear complaints about the v10 ford had which everyone praised but gets 9mpg 🤷 why complain now 🤔
@@dor1tomcswagger69 i never even knew Ford had a V10.
@@burgerbandit3646 for their HDs only truck I drove where the gas light comes on at half a tank 😂
Awesome video, uploaded on my birthday!
Happy B-Day!
Dude!! That high speed section was gnarly! You had to be approaching double digit speed there for a second.
Roman, auf Deutcsh, ein lastwagon is a truck. Ich can auch deutsche sprechen. This was very entertaining to watch.👍🇨🇦
psst, it is Lastwagen.
That was a lousy test of "desert running" Neither trucks used half their suspension. I've simulated desert running better in a Starbucks parking lot
Definitely not " running ".
These aren't professional drivers on closed courses, it's Roman just giving it a little gas like most people would do. He didn't roll anything and he had the time of his life, what are you mad about?
Great race at the end.... riveting!
My friend and i loved the crawl test ty :)
I love the TRX so much I’m going to wait a few years to let used ones get in to the market for maybe like 15 grand less.
Just wait a year or so when gasoline is back up to $4.00+ gallon.
Smarticus exactly! It will be even higher in a few years as we stop drilling and have to import oil again
When are y’all going to take that dorky looking bed cover off the Raptor? Or do y’all feel you have to ugly it up so the TRX looks better?
Someone got their feelings heart. That T-rex eats the Raptor in everyway.
@69Mach I CJ Even? Yeah, sure bud. The Raptor rubs the tires on the fenders every time they test it. Not to mention grinding the foot rails. The TRX has more power, coil springs, and a rear axle dampener that attaches to the diff housing. The TRX has more suspension travel. The only thing the Raptor did well was the hill climb due to visibility. Even THAT was a stretch because they refused to buy the camera package (TRX) that the Raptor has. Not to mention the Raptor interior is ass. Sounds like shit too but that's my opinion. Just rewind and watch the reaction during the dune run. Its obvious which truck was more fun to drive.
TRX will be garbage in less than 5 yrs
@@B_EIMON you bet lmao
@@PyroBlonde7777 it's POS Fiat enough said
Fun stuff, nice to keep it light.
Great video Guys!!!
5:15 anyone notice the mileage lol?
Lol imagine paying well over 50k and getting leaf springs on a BAJA TRUCK
or a v6....
Need to get that measuring tape out and let's see some size comparison. The TRX looks much bigger. Also great video, once again good father and son comparison. Thanks.
a fantastic start to my saturday. and yes that is crazy that ford has tires rubbing the fenders.
Ford: Enough of the Eco-boost. It was cute, we get it. But now Ram has shown what happens when you put boost in a real engine. Why not a Roots or Twin-screw 6.2 or 7.3?
2022 raptor has a v8 option
@@blakehyslop2605
It’s about damn time. I hope they offer it in the F150 too.
@@scottythebody0811 f150 also 2021 can be bought with a coyote engine 5.0 but even that I love v8 I need to admit these EcoBoost engines are amazing not to replace the v8 but as an option for power with better gas mileage, I own I Focus RS and an escape both with EcoBoost and I'm so surprised how the escape with a 1.5L 3 cylinder EcoBoost gives me 181HP and 177LB of torque compare to my daughter Mirage 1.5L 3 cylinder also that only produce 78HP or my sister 4 cylinder Mitsubishi outlander sport with a 4 cylinder 2.4L with 168HP so that show that this EcoBoost is amazing budget engines, my Focus RS is 350HP but with a few mods that I did is now 450HP (398 to the Wheels) but again I'm not saying EcoBoost is better I'm just saying they have a place in this world even if they don't sound like a monster engine will sound because at the end I don't run with the sound I run with the performance the engine and the car give me.
"The new 2021 Ford F-150 has a host of changes including a new hybrid system, on-board generator (no, it’s not just an inverter) and, what seemed to be, only one change to the 5.0-liter V-8 Coyote engine, which is a slight bump in horsepower and torque."
Ford is years ahead of fiat. They know what customers want. A fully capable off-road truck but with good fuel economy and some what affordable. Most these trucks will be payment driven and they know that. Trx Is badass but won't outsell the raptor.
@@AlexMontalvogaming101
I have a 2019 F150 with the 5.0. My point is that if equal boost was applied to a V8, there’d be no comparison
I thought it was strange that you said the TRX won the test on the suspension travel because the Raptor kept all tires on the ground and the TRX didn't.
Since when is it a bad thing to keep the tires on the ground? That’s the whole point of long travel suspension
Haha leave it to the "Ford Guy" 👦 to defend the v6'er. I think he was referring to not clearing the center over the obstacle.
No joke thats the whole point. Thats why I said it was strange that they said the TRX won, the Raptor is what kept its tires on the ground not the TRX. As far as hitting in the center that's the difference between running boards and no running boards.
@@fordguy3277 Yeah I get your point just having fun. Both are nice trucks.
06:20 The wide angle mode on the GoPro (?) really makes it hard to see the actual articulation because of the image stretching, but at 06:30 the other camera that is not wide angle really showed it big time.
What a great video guys, really impressive off road abilities by the TRX, I am surprised.
Another great video! Would love to see a ZR2 vs Mojave on the desert running there.
I've been watching your channel for a long time, and have watched multiple vids. For me Roman's dislike for Ford is really starting to be a problem, I watched Ram coddle you guys since they unveiled that prototype years ago and then Ford gave you a time out/ spanking. I think Ram is doing a great job with there trucks, but when ever the edge go's to them Roman is ecstatic ( rubbing steps) but not so much on the front facing camara, and don't get me started on the crawl control VS paddle shifters!!! It's starting to remind me of Milwaukee tool salesman posing as UA-cam channels VS Dewalt, I've had to unsubscribe from all of those. Also as I've said many times Take It To The 1000 and let's see how it does as a complete build.
@@hahaadventures4838 Sweet!!!! Lol. Well said. 👍👍 Ram 1️⃣
It’s their review therefore they can have an opinion on which they like.
The Raptor actually performed better, even the articulation test
Raptor for me - light is right, and the price difference is substantially in favour of the Raptor. Plus, it looks incredible and better than the TRX.
Nice comment bro. Hope she sees it.
Bring on land cruiser too ! Trx vs raptor vs land cruiser ! Battle of beasts
Love Ford and love TFL. This is my 3rd time watching this video in a week
Thanks !
9:08 hahahahaha pherd engineering
@Air Force Juan and another moronic comment. Still haven't learned anything have you child?
@Air Force Juan awww so original, kid. Tell me did your mommy help you with all those big words?
@Air Force Juan might be a goid thing because im sure she'd be disappointed
@Air Force Juan It's sad that a "Fiat" is better than your Ford. Now, go back into your hole.
In the end it's evident to all but the very slowest of society that the TRX is a sad imitation with little to offer and that's why its horsepower is all that is talked about. The Raptor not only has a SUPERIOR suspension setup, but its offroad programs are better too.
The trx only won every race. 🙄
i think you meant to say same they literally have the same setups and programs only ram has a custom mode while you may not like a V8 engine sound many do prefer raw power rather than a twin turbo engine could it be better? sure but in terms of performance both do the same job except as was shown the coils did better than the leaf's
@@saliston the TRX won a race? ... what's that: fastest to rust? fastest to a dead transmission? fastest to break-down?
Thank you for not destroying yours!
Happy Saturday Roman and Tommy!!😎
the trx is cheesy
Also, the first channel not to destroy their TRX!
Truly entertaining video.
You Guys Rock 🎸!!
This show has only gotten better !
You guys did awesome on the comparison 👏.
Tommy You Have Made Ford Happy 😊 ,
Thank you guys for pushing these auto makers in giving us better quality for the
Money .(more bang for the buck)
Super jealous...that was fun
Bilstein --- PERFECT ! Greetings from Germany
Fun video guys!
Thanks. The desert running was interesting. Looks very uncomfortable for the driver and passenger. Also great way to shake an expensive vehicle apart.
Great show watched it on Patreon
Hilarious that he was worried about hurting the vegetation with the drone.. lol.. what a geek...
Great job guys
The TReX eating the Raptor was funny. Shots fired.
Keep the great content coming TFL crew! Also @Tommy can you let someone else drive your Gladiator Rubicon? 😅
The TRX does come with a front camera too depending on the configuration.
The simplest explanation of a Torsen is that it's a limited locking device. i.e. within a certain torque split range, it acts as locked. if I had to guess, I would say it's 2.1-2.5:1 Torque bias ratio, meaning a locking effect of around 40%, so if the torque difference is no greater than 40% between wheels, the differential acts locked through friction on specially designed gears that bind up against the housing. Another way to put it would be that the front axle can bias torque 70/30 to the left or 30/70 to the right, to the limit of traction on the good wheel. With an open diff, it's always 1:1, or 50/50. I know that's usually how people talk about locked diffs, but that's not accurate, a locked diff is 100/0. An open diff will always split torque evenly. That's not engine torque mind you, that's the torque the ground can deal with, or resistive torque. That's why a wheel in the air with an open diff spins and the other on the ground doesn't. Air offers no resistive torque so that's all the other side gets...just as much torque as it takes to spin a wheel in free air. 1:1. 50/50. In a Torsen, the wheel in the air would still spin freely because you are outside the locking range of the diff and where it allows for differential action. Torsens are great because they offer virtually no reaction lag, are completely passive and allow for great streetability and predictable high-speed characteristics while dramatically increasing traction in their locking range. It's a solid 1 up for the Ford.
Finally some Moab stuff!!!