dragon mark may be an hidden gem already because of its difficulty and the fact that it was only on switch and ps4. on ps4, indies have difficulty with sales even when they are not japanese, so when they are added to the way sony treat obscure japanese devs right now, we can see why it didnt sell there. As for the switch version, Nintendo did talk about it a lot back at launch, but, most switch players are more or less casual, making a difficult game a difficult sale. (pun intended XD) So, how do you like this explanation.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd To resume, JRPGs are turn based games, not action games. But honestly, I think Eric, like me, is from a generation were are RPGs were just called RPGs, not JRPGs or WRPGs.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I do think that Mr Landon was quite clear in labeling the different types of rpgs contained in his list. You can take them or leave them according to your preference. I’ve played most of them, but then I like most types of games besides sports simulations. I’m wondering what’s your top 5 traditional rpgs?
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I’ve played all the games you mentioned (except Gemfire) and generally agree with your assessment. I don’t have any memory of FF I or II, although I played them both on NES. FF IX remains one of my all-time favorites, but I got bored with FF VII and quit at the campfire. I was also underwhelmed by both Super Mario RPG and Earthbound. Suikoden II was the first game that kicked my ass; couldn’t get past the bone dragon that constantly killed my whole party with one blow! Maybe someday….. It was the original Phantasy Star that totally blew my mind-it was the first, after all. But it’s way too grindey for me to ever want to play it again! A couple other favorites are Chrono Cross and Ni No Kuni, but I don’t remember if they fit your correct definition of JRPG. Currently playing Radiant Historia and am generally very into DS, 3DS and Vita gaming these days. Game on, brother!
Such good memories of Paladin's Quest from back then. That game just clicked with me for some reason. The soundtrack while not a masterpiece is highly nostalgic for me. That final boss theme is epic!
2:08 fun fact, this game plot happens in a fictional version of spain, yet the game was never translated to spanish (or at least i didnt found it in spanish)
Another fun fact the game does use a few Spanish and French words in the English translation. Though, I'll admit my biggest annoyance with the game is that you can only randomly recruit people after winning a battle. At least if your looking for characters that aren't story relevant and some of those characters don't really feel all that optional if you want to beat the game. The game also gives you a slightly different ending if you manage to collect at least one of every weapon in the game.
Just a reminder, Dragon Marked for Death is available for PS4, and Grand Kingdom servers were shutdown in October's 2018, making the game even harder and even more of a grind fest than it already is.
Just a reminder, Dragon Marked for Death is also available for PC, where it is a SHIT PORT with hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions and framerate drops in the single digits.
@@Karifean That may be the case now, but they were entirely hardcoded when the game first launched on Steam. Oh course, I can't confirm this anymore, since the game will no longer run on my system. It just crashes to desktop, on startup now and the devs no longer care enough about it, to issue a fix. There are threads on this issue, from other people, that have gone unanswered and unacknowledged by anyone in any position to do anything about it. This game is the only game I've ever bought and refunded twice.
I have to admit that I love the fact that you are warring a Hocico Shirt! In fact getting people to listen to them would be a hard core suggestion! lol
I interpreted it as a beginner's list for people wanting to get into obscure hardcore games. Some people want to play these kinds of games but don't know where to start because hardly anyone in regular circles knows about them.
Great Vid, I love hard Jrpgs, they keep me entertained for a long time, shout out to Generation of Chaos, it also helps when the battle system is unique❤
I didn't like Dragon Marked for Death. Couldn't get into it. I liked Grand Kingdom, though I was bad at learning the battle system. Gungnir was interesting but I also didn't understand the battle mechanics. I think Im gonna check out the Hero's (something) for the DS.
I start playing dragon marked some days ago in nintendo switch the game runs so well and is super fun. Also I have grand kingdom collector edition ready to play 😁
Glad to see Dragon: Marked for Death in here. The thing is once you get used to the controls of the classes, it becomes fun. Though the challenging part is in fighting the bosses (the key is in learning the patterns).
It didn't deserve any extra attention. The pc version is a shit port of the ps4 one, with hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions and serious technical issues with MASSIVE framerate drops in areas with virtually NOTHING on screen. I wouldn't know if they ever fixed anything, because the game no longer runs for me, instead simply crashing to desktop on launch. I got it near to when it was released and the issues I listed above made me insta-refund it. Tried it again recently and the game doesn't even start anymore, instead simply crashing to desktop, on launch. Refund number 2.
Such a shame the online got switched off for Grand Kingdom - it was such a huge part of the overall experience. Boy I loved the game in those early PS4 days though. The online three way war that was ongoing was such a brilliant take in the online formula. RIP GK servers, RIP.
+1 Trinity!!! Played it earlier this year and loved it soo much that I recommended to a coworker of mine who also really enjoyed it. Top ten saddest moments in gaming in the story. Wooo it hit me in the feels hard.
I just picked up Front Mission 3 on PSN again. It is a mere 5.99 for 200 hours of play. I got Stella Deus earlier in the year. It is not hard but very grindy. I am in Chapter 4, I think. Been working on the special dungeon near Level 40. It is no Disgaea or FFT but it is decent.
Yeah! Dragon Marked For Death! I've been playing that on the Switch and loving it. You're page for JRPG insight is my personal favorite and while I haven't been on it as much as a differently genre based channel (Shmupjunkie a page about spaceshipshooter games - my favorite genre!) Just seeing the thumbnail with DMFD made me want to watch. Seriously DMFD is such a cool twist to the genre.
Man, it's a real shame what Square did to the Front Mission series. I really loved Front Mission and Front Mission 3. The wanzers were badass and I loved the world lore they had going on with all the different factions.
I'm still sad that I had a code for Demon Gaze Global Edition that contained the DLC for a Fran skin. By the time I wanted to use it, it expired. Yes, I even tried looking for it through "unconventional" means but it cannot be found anywhere on the internet either. The game is coming out to PS4 I believe - and my only hope is that they include the Fran dlc on disc. Fran = waifu
@@paulkinder8440 Well, I don't know if its going to be localized actually. But it might contain english in the JP release. Its slated for Sep 2nd this year on PS4/Switch.
I played all front mission from 1 to 4 not played 5 yet and unfortunately the evolved that kill front mission saga would like a fan translation for the other one on ds 2089 if you know someone or where to get that one translated could you please review too the operation darkness game for xbox 360 horrible cam and wierd history but if you see it as world war 2 fire emblem with zombies, vampires and werewolves it is comical @Erick landon rpg
Front Mission 3 is awesome, and probably my favorite PS1 native SRPG but how is it obscure? It made Greatest Hits in North America and can be found on the PS3 and Vita PSN stores,
Saying this because it NEEDS to be said. Dragon Marked for Death didn't become hidden because the world failed to recognize its greatness. It failed partly because the PC version is a SHIT PORT of the PS4 one. It has hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions, next to no graphical settings, xbox gamepads aren't recognized for a bunch of people, a dev team that doesn't care about the community and it has performance issues and framerate drops galore, stemming from the fact that it is a SHIT PC PORT.
"The audio sounds different with some games". It does, read the description for an explanation. :)
dragon mark may be an hidden gem already because of its difficulty and the fact that it was only on switch and ps4. on ps4, indies have difficulty with sales even when they are not japanese, so when they are added to the way sony treat obscure japanese devs right now, we can see why it didnt sell there. As for the switch version, Nintendo did talk about it a lot back at launch, but, most switch players are more or less casual, making a difficult game a difficult sale. (pun intended XD) So, how do you like this explanation.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd To resume, JRPGs are turn based games, not action games.
But honestly, I think Eric, like me, is from a generation were are RPGs were just called RPGs, not JRPGs or WRPGs.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I do think that Mr Landon was quite clear in labeling the different types of rpgs contained in his list. You can take them or leave them according to your preference. I’ve played most of them, but then I like most types of games besides sports simulations. I’m wondering what’s your top 5 traditional rpgs?
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I’ve played all the games you mentioned (except Gemfire) and generally agree with your assessment. I don’t have any memory of FF I or II, although I played them both on NES. FF IX remains one of my all-time favorites, but I got bored with FF VII and quit at the campfire. I was also underwhelmed by both Super Mario RPG and Earthbound. Suikoden II was the first game that kicked my ass; couldn’t get past the bone dragon that constantly killed my whole party with one blow! Maybe someday….. It was the original Phantasy Star that totally blew my mind-it was the first, after all. But it’s way too grindey for me to ever want to play it again! A couple other favorites are Chrono Cross and Ni No Kuni, but I don’t remember if they fit your correct definition of JRPG. Currently playing Radiant Historia and am generally very into DS, 3DS and Vita gaming these days.
Game on, brother!
Loved Front Mission 3 when it first came out, but you're right, I really haven't thought about it since. Definitely worth a revisit.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd They release a remake for the DS, check it out
Front Misson 3 is amazing!! Playing 13 Sentinels rn gonna play FM3 again after
Ah yes 13 Sentinels the Visual Novel from Vanillaware.
Such good memories of Paladin's Quest from back then. That game just clicked with me for some reason. The soundtrack while not a masterpiece is highly nostalgic for me. That final boss theme is epic!
2:08 fun fact, this game plot happens in a fictional version of spain, yet the game was never translated to spanish (or at least i didnt found it in spanish)
Another fun fact the game does use a few Spanish and French words in the English translation.
Though, I'll admit my biggest annoyance with the game is that you can only randomly recruit people after winning a battle. At least if your looking for characters that aren't story relevant and some of those characters don't really feel all that optional if you want to beat the game.
The game also gives you a slightly different ending if you manage to collect at least one of every weapon in the game.
Just by looking at it, Dragon Marked For Death gives a Megaman ZX vibe. I guess I will have to play it.
Just a reminder, Dragon Marked for Death is available for PS4, and Grand Kingdom servers were shutdown in October's 2018, making the game even harder and even more of a grind fest than it already is.
Just a reminder, Dragon Marked for Death is also available for PC, where it is a SHIT PORT with hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions and framerate drops in the single digits.
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o No idea what you're talking about, the controls are completely remappable.
@@Karifean That may be the case now, but they were entirely hardcoded when the game first launched on Steam.
Oh course, I can't confirm this anymore, since the game will no longer run on my system.
It just crashes to desktop, on startup now and the devs no longer care enough about it, to issue a fix.
There are threads on this issue, from other people, that have gone unanswered and unacknowledged by anyone in any position to do anything about it.
This game is the only game I've ever bought and refunded twice.
I see Dragon Marked For Death and instantly think "yep, thats why i love this channel!"
I see Dragon Marked For Death and instantly remember that the PC version is a SHIT PORT of the PS4 one.
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o thats depressing.
hey bro you should do a ranking video for all nintendo ds jrpg games. that would be awesome
Only own 2 of those games stella dus and trinity i platinum trinity which is a great game haven't played stella dues yet
Hey Erick thanks for the content, 10/10 as always!
I really enjoyed Stella Deus on the PS2. I put a ton of time into that game. Grand Kingdom was fantastic as well - put a ton of time into that too.
Couldn't agree more
Played Front Mission 3 on the PS1. Long range builds are OP and cheese most maps, though.
But sniper sucks.
I have to admit that I love the fact that you are warring a Hocico Shirt! In fact getting people to listen to them would be a hard core suggestion! lol
i miss playing Front Mission 3, it is a huge grind fest indeed but it's a good game :) the same for Stella Deus , good video :)
Dragon Marked for Death is awesome, I really wish it would have gotten more attention. It's really fun multiplayer
The SHIT PC PORT deserves to die in a sewer. It got more attention than it ever deserved.
How are they "hardcore" and "for beginners" at the same time?
Easy to play but hard to master and finish? I guess that's what it means :P
I was thinking on jrpgs with epic history and easy to play (?)
I took it as beginning rpg collecting
Yeah, this video title makes zero sense.
I interpreted it as a beginner's list for people wanting to get into obscure hardcore games. Some people want to play these kinds of games but don't know where to start because hardly anyone in regular circles knows about them.
Grand Kingdom's battle music always hyped me.
I love Front Mission 3 😁🤘
Apparently an updated version of Demon Gaze was announced for PS4 and Switch
Saw it too. I platinumed the second one.
Dragon Marked for Death had a decent amount of problems at release but the patches REALLY turned it around; it's a great SP experience now.
Except the pc version now crashes to desktop on start-up, for some users and the dev team have given up on trying to fix anything anymore.
Always happy to see Gungnir get some love
Grand Kingdom is challenging until you unlock catapult and throw your paladin(with "over spin") in clear the map in one hit...
I was one of the 12 people to buy valhalla knights on the vita. The perv system in it is really complicated
Great Vid, I love hard Jrpgs, they keep me entertained for a long time, shout out to Generation of Chaos, it also helps when the battle system is unique❤
I feel like Paladin's Quest would have gotten a fairer shake if the encounters and the grind weren't so through the roof
Your videos are awesome! Even when you talk about a game again it still doesn't feel like a copy paste, it actually makes me want to play it more!
I didn't like Dragon Marked for Death. Couldn't get into it. I liked Grand Kingdom, though I was bad at learning the battle system. Gungnir was interesting but I also didn't understand the battle mechanics. I think Im gonna check out the Hero's (something) for the DS.
I start playing dragon marked some days ago in nintendo switch the game runs so well and is super fun.
Also I have grand kingdom collector edition ready to play 😁
Glad to see Dragon: Marked for Death in here. The thing is once you get used to the controls of the classes, it becomes fun. Though the challenging part is in fighting the bosses (the key is in learning the patterns).
It didn't deserve any extra attention. The pc version is a shit port of the ps4 one, with hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions and serious technical issues with MASSIVE framerate drops in areas with virtually NOTHING on screen.
I wouldn't know if they ever fixed anything, because the game no longer runs for me, instead simply crashing to desktop on launch.
I got it near to when it was released and the issues I listed above made me insta-refund it.
Tried it again recently and the game doesn't even start anymore, instead simply crashing to desktop, on launch. Refund number 2.
Did you ever played Eternal Poison? I really enjoyed it!
Grand Kingdom is amazing! BUT THE SERVERS ARE DOWN! You straight up can't enjoy the game properly now. :/ I miss playing it.
Hi Erick. Not sure if I’ve missed it in another video, but how do you feel about Natural Doctrine for the PlayStation consoles?
Such a shame the online got switched off for Grand Kingdom - it was such a huge part of the overall experience. Boy I loved the game in those early PS4 days though. The online three way war that was ongoing was such a brilliant take in the online formula. RIP GK servers, RIP.
OMG Front Mission 3! I had that years ago and it was Sooo Good!!!!!
Have you done a list of easy non grind RPGs? Earthbound is possibly the pinnacle of that type
Pretty sure PS NOW has Trinity on there, it's pretty good but since it's PS3 < stream only so have to have stable connection
+1 Trinity!!! Played it earlier this year and loved it soo much that I recommended to a coworker of mine who also really enjoyed it. Top ten saddest moments in gaming in the story. Wooo it hit me in the feels hard.
I just picked up Front Mission 3 on PSN again. It is a mere 5.99 for 200 hours of play. I got Stella Deus earlier in the year. It is not hard but very grindy. I am in Chapter 4, I think. Been working on the special dungeon near Level 40. It is no Disgaea or FFT but it is decent.
intersting list thanks for sharing erick!
Erick, you don't play Etrian Odyssey games? Is one of the best Atlus series out there and very under appreciated.
He made a video about him not getting into that series. I know its a best example but its something that didnt hit him.
Yeah! Dragon Marked For Death! I've been playing that on the Switch and loving it. You're page for JRPG insight is my personal favorite and while I haven't been on it as much as a differently genre based channel (Shmupjunkie a page about spaceshipshooter games - my favorite genre!) Just seeing the thumbnail with DMFD made me want to watch. Seriously DMFD is such a cool twist to the genre.
Imagine if Shmup Junkie becomes a guest in "That JRPG show". He maybe focusing on one genre but I know he also likes rpgs and he can offer more topic.
And also, imagine Tinfoil Erick.
@@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 That would be funny and cool to see; both tinfoil versions and an elaborate collaboration.
I've played Paladin's Quest and Front Mission 3. I tried to play Paladin's Quest again on my phone recently, but it had glitches
Good stuff!
Ah dmfd thumbnail that was 600 hours of my life that I have no regrets about
Man, it's a real shame what Square did to the Front Mission series. I really loved Front Mission and Front Mission 3. The wanzers were badass and I loved the world lore they had going on with all the different factions.
Dragon marked for death is on ps4 too, i know that because i bought it.
Laplace demon is my favorite.
Do you play a game of psp lord of arcana ? Is indeed a hard game , you must analysis your enemies before attack
How does one recommend a "Hardcore" game for "Beginners"?
Easy to get into but hard to master? Game that can be a threshold from easy to hard games? It makes sense if you think about it
I like this. Give me more
“Kick your arse so hard you’ll kiss the moon”
- Kid
Definitely some hard games in there. Great video.
I'm surprised there isn't a "Tony Hawk" game in this video... or Football.
Or "Wolfenstein: The New Order", the truest of JRPGs...
uhhh.... What? I think you forgot to change "Begginers" to "Veterans" or something... Cool list in any case.
I'm still sad that I had a code for Demon Gaze Global Edition that contained the DLC for a Fran skin. By the time I wanted to use it, it expired.
Yes, I even tried looking for it through "unconventional" means but it cannot be found anywhere on the internet either.
The game is coming out to PS4 I believe - and my only hope is that they include the Fran dlc on disc. Fran = waifu
When is it due out on PS4?, i own Demon Gaze II which is already on the PS4.
@@paulkinder8440 Well, I don't know if its going to be localized actually. But it might contain english in the JP release. Its slated for Sep 2nd this year on PS4/Switch.
@@breathofthewild1749 Thank you for the reply, i'll keep my eye out for it.
I would have screamed if I were in your case.
These types of situations are why I do the codes right away.
Not sure about recommending Gungnir for beginners, but to each its own. Maybe it's not as convoluted as I thought it was.
I'm surprised not to see Disgaea on the list
Front Mission, good memories.
8:38 You say that you are a sucker for tactical RPGS? However, wasn't it you who never gets into Disgeae games?
Been wanting to try Valhalla Knights 3. Welp time to dust off the ole vita
Can someone tell what the game is at the beginning of the intro I need to know
Edit:My bad he answered it for me
why do ypu not list the games as I have no idea what half of them are called or what syste they run on
dragon mark for death gameplay kind a reminds me of mega man zero. i might get it when i see it.
It's the same dev as MMZ and MMZX/MMZXA. Though, the pc version is a shit port of the ps4 one and has hardcoded controls and resolutions.
I played all front mission from 1 to 4 not played 5 yet and unfortunately the evolved that kill front mission saga would like a fan translation for the other one on ds 2089 if you know someone or where to get that one translated
could you please review too the operation darkness game for xbox 360 horrible cam and wierd history but if you see it as world war 2 fire emblem with zombies, vampires and werewolves it is comical @Erick landon rpg
Hardcore JRPGs for Beginners... Ok, I don't get it...
Front Mission 3 is awesome, and probably my favorite PS1 native SRPG but how is it obscure? It made Greatest Hits in North America and can be found on the PS3 and Vita PSN stores,
DMFD does not have couch coop. Unfortunately.
Well are they hardcore or for beginners??
9:03 and ps4
Dragon marked for death is on ps4 too…
Never tried Valhalla Knights 2 or 3. 1 was so grindy, with so many long boring corridor maps. Couldn't get into it.
I love strategy rpgs but there never still surpass FFT
@John Hicks hahahah. BLACK CHOCOBOS are harder than the final boss.
That first game on the SNES? That is some beautiful graphics. I forget how good we had it back in the nineties sometimes 🫶
Am I the only one who finds legend of dragoon hard because of the buttons 😔
It's not really hard per say, but you just have to know the rhythm of each move and how they work. It's only hard when you're a beginner.
Dragon Marked for Death has a PS4 version too...
Which became the SHITTIEST PC PORT of the last few years.
Saying this because it NEEDS to be said.
Dragon Marked for Death didn't become hidden because the world failed to recognize its greatness.
It failed partly because the PC version is a SHIT PORT of the PS4 one.
It has hardcoded controls, hardcoded resolutions, next to no graphical settings, xbox gamepads aren't recognized for a bunch of people, a dev team that doesn't care about the community and it has performance issues and framerate drops galore, stemming from the fact that it is a SHIT PC PORT.
Though the question still remains..... Vahalla Knights 1 is garbage..... But is it worse than.... UTTER TRAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHHH????!!!!
I prefer front mission 4 and 5
The title of the video is a contradiction to what you saying at 5:55
Dragons marked for death best game ever
*Shittiest pc port ever.
Fixed that for you.
I had Trinity and never played it.
these are not for beginners, most of them are sequal beginners should play from the first one.
Grindy =/= Hardcore
I hated Stella deus at the time, because of the horrible voice acting, quit like 2 hours in
I love Gungnir! I have Yggdrasil Union too, but just got outbid on Knights in the Nightmare so that’s on my must buy list 🫶