CZ 805 • BREN 1 to 500yds: Practical Accuracy
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The transitional CZ805 BREN was a deliberate adaptation towards the NATO 5.56 cartridge by the Czech Armed Forces to directly integrate into NATO operations under "Project 805", beating out he SCAR 16 in trials.
While the rifle has factory chambering in both 5.56NATO and 7.62 Soviet, Czech troops widely use the 5.56 NATO version in Afghan and European NATO operations as their standard issued weapon.
Currently the Czech military has started to phase out the Bren 805 with the Bren2 (806).
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150y - 137m
200y - 182m
250y - 229m
300y - 274m
350y - 320m
400y - 366m
450y - 411m
500y - 457m
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It almost seems like if the SCAR-L and the H&K G36 had a baby it would be the CZ805.
yes but it's less accurate. 1.5-2 moa is the best anyone can get.
jason200912 Not unless you’re Chuck Norris.
@@jason200912 Polemics. US military studies shown that military M-16A2 was hitting 80% of targets at 100m and ~20% at 200m. If you can't hit targets out to 300 with a rifle that has an optic sight and 2-3MOA, then you need to learn how to shoot.
@@Max_Da_G isn't that because mil spec standards are a laughable 7 moa while civillian counterparts range anywhere from 4 moa to 1/4 moa
Yeah 100 percent
You guys should try the swiss sig 550
You will be amazed believe me
As a Swiss myself, i agree with that.
The Sig 550 is a Top 5 holy Grail gun. I own a CZ Bren 2 (civilian 806)
I love that rifle
They run around 5-7 grand in the US if they are actual Swiss Sig 550s. We generally have inferior models in the US from what I have read.
@@tedhodge4830 because everybody would be bitching with the price and compare it with cheap AR
We can all agree on one thing
The Czechs make some good rifles
More than that. They also make excellent handguns. Their CZ75s don’t disappoint.
That's fine piece of *Czechnology*
Ok... i'll leave now...
Please wait, we're doing your Czech out.
Just note: It is so fine, that was nearly immediately replaced by subsequent rifle which to my knowledge is not compatible with this one. Czech army accepted lets say prototype as a standard rifle and after many (already known) complains they replaced it. It was pretty dirty business by both politicians and CZ arms company.
That was so good 😂
Eotech and magnifier is my setup. That wind was playing with you guys that day.
Great video like always !
I wish for you to have chance testing the new one bren 2 or 806
"Cocking mechanism was redesigned, so that the cocking handle no longer reciprocates while firing and stops in the rear position when ammunition is expended. Furthermore charging handle is ambidextrous and can be installed on either side. Barrel of this weapon is quick-detachable and is available in three different lengths."
Craterus Sounds great. 👍
Also has a bolt release, new lower receiver and is lighter than the 805.
@@Tool683 correct, i wonder how much is the civilian model of 7,62x39 version in EU market
Love my 805. Smoothest action ever. 1200 bucks very well spent.
So tough in that wind with a 223. Good Job.
I nominate the Japanese Type 99 next !
I would love to see a practical accuracy with the Arisaka, Type 99 or Type 38. Monopod for bonus points.
Ted Hodge
Anti aircraft sights and bayonet for even more bonus points
is there ever a day whens its not windy at the range lol
We've had a few...but they are heavily outweighed by the days of crazy wind lol
It's Texas where the wind doesn't blow, it sucks! Sorry, just couldn't resist.
I was waiting for this rifle. Not dissapointed at all. Thank you Guys!
This was the first video I ever liked before viewing
Same here. Ever since the Mosin-Nagant video i click like before watch. You know its good.
Ahhh. My former dream gun. I was going to actually pull the trigger on it, but then I heard about the Bren 2 BR (.308) and I decided to wait. Fine rifle for what it was replacing. Literal huge leap gun design wise. Glad they added the non-reciprocating charging handle and added a bolt release as well. Hope they keep that G36 like bolt catch/release.
Great stuff as always, y'all. I can't wait for the in-depth video of this Czech gun! XD
The only channel worthy of notification bell
The "VolksScar".
Regards to Czech guys from Poland!
I was in Afghanistan same time Henry was, that's awesome. I'm in Kuwait now, FOB Shank is now FOB Dahlke.
I love my 805 and have a similar setup with a red dot and magnifier ... Really crisp trigger and smooth as butter action.. Smoothest action I've ever ran on a semi auto...
Biggest issue is weight 7.9 lbs is heavy for a stock 5.56 rifle .... Also the lack of a bolt release and non reciprocating charging handle isn't ideal but its workable.. Still much much better then an AK or MP5 reload
That thing just looks awesome.
Awesome review as always guys! I just got an idea that could raise the quality of your videos a lot in this kind of windy days. If you edit with Premiere Pro, you can select one of this super shaky clips and edit it with After Effects. There is a tool there to stabilize the clip around a point of interest, and since there is such a good contrast between the orange target and the green grass, the tool will work pretty good. There is a ton of tutorials out there around youtube to learn the tool, if your workflow is around the Adobe tools, give it a go! You will not be disapointed.
Awesome I have the same optics set up on my 805 pistol and I keep it loaded with the same ammo. There are extended angled charging handles you can install easily
OKKK SHUT you were at Shank.. Big respect bud. That place was all about the boom boom time.
I got a bren for 1300 dollars. Not a fan of the look on AR’s, so i think it is great. Had some problems for a while because the cz rep on the web gave me some bad info on the gas system, but its been shooting good since.
I was at FOB Shank in 2010. Worked with the Czech EOD dudes, and also ran a coupe missions with some other dudes.
the 805 I front heavy, has minimal gas settings, razor sharp edges due to relief cuts on top rail, a less than optimal sling mount set up, a charging handle set for disaster and no bolt drop.
but hot damn, if that bolt isn't smoother than butter, a trigger that is equally smooth and looks beautiful.
I like my 805 enough to push past my annoyances with the system. is it perfect? No, but it's still one hell of a rifle.
All I can think about now is those Mosin's in the foreground!
What's the regiment cap badge in your thumbnail dude?
@sman7290 thanks buddy, I was 3 PWRR in the UK. It struck a chord
@@Islandjud Retired now but one of the Benefits of the RCR was we never had to worry about changing our cap badge if the Monarchy changed :)
Impressive. That wind was savage!
I'd love to see you do one of your history videos on the 805 Bren and Bren 2. Oh and there's a very easy fix to the paratrooper's complaint, put on some ladder rail covers. It says a lot about the gun though, if that was their biggest complaint!
I've been using an 805 at 2 and 3 Gun matches for a little under a year now, with a red dot, out to 300 yards. Accuracy, as you saw, is perfectly serviceable (assuming the shooter doesn't have any screws loose).
As far as ergonomics go, I don't experience issues with the charging handle. To reload I just slap the handle with an open palm. The bolt hold open is very sensitive, and doesn't need much force at all to release. This is actually kind of annoying when I need to lock the bolt open, and the slightest jostle makes it go forward.
I'm also not a fan of the stock. You cheek riser is set far away from the rear of the receiver, which can make using certain optics tricky since your face can only be so far forward. I do at least like that I can make it as long as I need to. I'm a freak who likes a 14.5 in LOP.
The weight is another downside. CZ lists the rifle as 7.9 lbs empty. I got a D60 just because I thought it would be funny to make the gun even heavier.
The hand guard is also quite short, I suspect to keep your hand away from the gas piston vents. I use AFGs on most of my guns, and that takes up almost all of the 6 oclock rail. It's monolithic as well, so there's no way to make it longer.
The trigger is very good. Has a little take up, but a relatively light and clean break.
The gun is very reliable. I've never had a malfunction of any kind, even with tula. Even when I had to shoot weak side and my right hand partially covered the ejection port, it still cycled.
The 805 feels like a pre-production gun that the Czechs pushed into service because they NEEDED to replace the Vz 58. It's a fine rifle, but it lacks refinement. The refinement ultimately will be the 806, which I want to buy once I find out whether it's legal in MD or not.
A Bren2 review would be awesome too as NATO nations in central europe are taking it as their new standard issue rifle in both 5.56 an 7.62 :O
The 11” pistol model would be interesting to see
Great video and shooting. Thank you for all you do in your shooting presentations and analysis. 9 Hole Reviews does it better than everyone else. Bravo gentlemen!
Thx guys! I love my 805
Oh how I wish the Bren 2 would make it's way to the USA. Thank you for the content. I think you all should go old school and review the Daisy Red Rider for nostalgia sake. I do believe you could get sub hour of angle groups out to 10yds using open sights.
Another beautiful example of Czech engineering from Brno!!! Thank you very much!
Uherský Brod, not Brno :)
@@89Limitz cheers...didn't know that!
@@robgoodsight6216 the last assault rifle developed in Brno was VZ 58, but it was produced in Uherský Brod because they did not have sufficient production capacity in Brno
Still wondering why y’all haven’t done an M1903 Springfield or M1917 Enfield
Now let's see a shorty BREN2 in 7.62x39 like what GIGN adopted. And put me in the Arisaka camp as well, 6.5 and 7.7.
Who else was staring at the vz58 the whole time?
I was. The vz58 took the ak concept to another level.
@@vikingsoftpaw VZ and AK is different gun different action
I was drooling. Does that mean there’s something wrong with me?
@@codebebop No that means there's something right with you
When I was in the Czech Active Reserves bootcamp, all of us were longingly staring at the vz58's too. We have a bit of a love/hate relationship with the 805's we are issued.
Didnt they already came up with bren 2?
This almost makes me want to see you try a Beretta ARX, but I don't wish that POS on anybody.
Why POS?
@@milkeywhey2998 14+ lb trigger (go look at some reviews - literally off the scale for most trigger pull scales), terrible handguard shape, oddball rail height, barrel located in the body with plastic lugs...
It had some OK-ish to neat ideas like instant ambidexterity and stock shape, but it was very poorly-executed in a rifle claiming to be revolutionary blank-page design that - like so many other mediocre Euro rifles - turns out to run on AR-18 mechanicals when you look inside.
Love the music and your video!
I'm curious if you could have SS-2 or SS-1 assault rifle of Indonesian armed forces to be tested
I wonder if Pindad had surplused some of those rifles to the US.
It would be interesting to find them somewhere.
Just a good recommendation for more views and subscribers. You guys should do the Mac 10 amd Keltec 9 on the CQB course. Also Spas 12 and the Desert Eagle 50 AE would be awsome.
love my 805, waiting for the bren 2 in .308
The most interesting thing about the BREN, is that the French GIGN officially adopted the 806 in 7.62x39(mm). I would absolutely love to see how that compares to both the 5.56 805, as well as the 7.62 Vz58!
Love your reviews, keep them coming boys.
good info and good shooting, thanks
Mossberg MVP Long Range 308!
Beautiful gun.
Impact cam was real shaky this time.
Shows how aggressive the wind was. Even the shooter cam was moving, haha
I am Czech and this is first time I saw military combat Czech flag patch.wow cool
I feel like I speak for most people watching (could be wrong), but I'd love to hear what y'all are saying when you fast forward it! Even if it's just bullshitting around.
Is an EOTech even suitable for 500 yards?
The CZ58 ironically outperformed this with a ballistically inferior cartridge (7.62x39) and iron sights at 28/40 versus 33/40 for the 805...
It could be nice to see MSBS Grot in action.
Having a rifle mimic a Bren gun in the background!
I've noticed in many of the videos, even for the rifles with better results, there is often a local maximum of misses at 350 yards. Is there a reason for this?
love the CZ so why not try another clone known as a XCR L in .223.
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@5:46... I was also in RC-EAST in 2012 and did a few trips to Shank from Bagram...one of our trips (July I think) was dropping off a new guy who would be working with the 173rd. Within 2-3 days, that car bomb blew up at the perimeter...it knocked New Guy out of his rack! Welcome to Shank! Ha ha
Shank and BBK was a wild place dude. The prettiest stars are out there though, that, I do miss.
@@9HoleReviews That is a true statement...the stars there were ALWAYS so gorgeous to look at.
Not a fan of what they've done with gen 2.
Debur the rail, nonreciprocal charging handle, Ambi lower, more adjustable gas block.
Perfect gun.
How did they end up completely butchering the monolithic upper?
Next should be BREN 2
Love your videos period. Liked b4 watched, etc., but please man, the tarp is about to blow away!!???
Awesome please one video with hk psg1
I don't think the Eotech sight helps for accuracy at longer ranges, nicely done though.
Make a video about long-range shooting with a very short barrels - 4.5 to 8 inch. 5.56 or 7.62x39. That would be interesting.
Have you considered shooting the same rifle every day you go out along with other rifles as a "standard" to gauge potential effects of different ambient conditions?
Need y’all to get a cheytac intervention some way some how, and would be fun to see a Barrett go for 1100 yards
What’s with covering the EoTech/L3 logo with tape?
I’ve seen a few people do it… what am I missing?
Actually, the army is not phasing it out yet. Simply becouse of the fact that quite a lot of the army reserve units are still using Vz.58 rifles, which means the 805s from the army go to the reserve.
Good-looking rifle!
Do the Sig MCX virtus 16” rifle next please
link or name of spotting scope? im tired of seeing my groups at 100 by walking all the way down the range :)
They dont appear to be using anything special. If you are only looking 100 yards at paper get a really cheap one. Good value for the money = vortex....
looking for reticle and great glass.... well hope you have $2-$10k depending on the complete setup you want
The Bren 2 .. now that’s a rifle
How about the H&K G36C next? Or, if possible, the MP/STG44? Appreciate the content guys.
Ok, now you gotta do the Bren 2 :D
why is it always so goddamn windy lol
I wish they still made the 805, I really wanted one
check gunbroker. you can still find them new or lightly used on there.
805 is so nice to shoot. Any chance of seeing a 6.5 Grendel on that course of fire?
I would like to see the run with XM855LC ammo, I believe the results will be better than with the 223 62 gr FMJ
Think you could do a pair of videos on the type 38 Arisaka in 6.5 and the type 99 Arisaka in 7.7?
That Vz 58 was also trying to be a Bren too :P
I wish you guys could get your hands on a PP-19 Bizon or a Vintorez...
Love these videos. But I miss when you guys would actually shoot 9holes on a paper target to show the true MOA of a rifle.
Is it there any chance to try VHS-2 from HS Product ???
Tacos and gun channels are the best.
REQUEST:L85/SA80,G36
A well made Czech rifle, for a comparison, do a review of the Croatian HS Produkt VHS-2.
you should review a Tikka rifle (tac a1) in 6.5 Creedmoor
Do you think if you used higher pressure NATO rounds it might have reached out past 300yds more effectively? I only saw .223 on the ammo box. Give me a 7.62 option and I'd pony-up for that sexy model.
Just curious as to why you don't use military spec ammunition when shooting military rifles? In this case, Lake City / Federal (X)M855 seems appropriate.
We're not supposed to use steel core on those targets, so we try to limit the appearance of those little apple green tic-tacs when shooting steel.
Yes!
Again a sharp machine 🇳🇱👍🏻🇺🇸
A few friends here in Czech Republic complain that the first gen BREN is both heavier and less accurate than the VZ 58. What is your opinion on that?
that wind though
Oh boy I want one
This should be fun!
The best gun for Czech Navy :)
Did you try Bergara B14?
I did and was very happy when the gun shop took it back and credited me for a Tika. I was stuck with it in Bergara's eyes
Plz can you do the cz scorpion carbine the s1. I know it's 9mm but would be interesting to see what the 9mm 16 inch barrel carbine can do. Plz
Just info from Czech background. This rifle did not pass any military trials. It was chosen by politicians. The rifle was not ready. It had lot of troubles- user unfriendly, heavy, not reliable, huge magazines, 3 or more types of magazine wells, no field disassambly of bolt group,expensive, etc. Every rifle, even disfunctional, was paid by tax payers, so was additional development. 805 design is so wrong that CZ was unable to fix it so they came up with new model - 806 that has more potential. Everything was paid by Czech tax payers and it is OK by Czech government. Right now we have 2 different rifles in service - 805, 806 and each rifle needs its own parts kit. You can image what nightmare it is for logistics. Irony of this story is that this is happening all over again - before it was with CZ pistols for police and for army. In uncorrupted country this company would never get any contract again. Not in Czech Republic. CZ is not even owned by Czech people so money is going out of country. Banana republic in middle of Europe.