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He abandoned his children. He should be in court too. Jody and Ruby should have went to trial. They say it would be hard on the children, but maybe it would have been a Blessing for the children's feelings to be validated and it really was that bad. Adults are out of touch.
He was around when his wife sent the daughter to school hungry with no lunch and she stated that" I hope no one gives her food she'll just have to starve." it's all on the Podcast!
When Kevin was told that Ruby had been arrested for abusing their children and that his children were in the hospital because they were emaciated, covered in wounds, and severely dehydrated he asked about his wife, instead of his kids. That's all I need to know about the quality of Kevin's parenting.
I can't forgive him for not seeing his children for an entire year. His mistake was trusting Ruby & Jodi. Divorcing Ruby is a step in the right direction.
No, I disagree. I think he was fighting denial at the same time. I think his failure to comprehend the scope of these claims speaks to his innocence. Think about it, that's the LAST thing a man in his position would want to accept as reality. Not to mention, it's not that easy to just accept the police are being honest and on the right side of justice these days. I mean we've ALL heard horror stories concerning crooked cops. He's in a very vulnerable position, and I think he handled the situation quite well.
@@Gracemarcantel hmm, maybe but I think you would say “emaciated ? What do you mean my kids are emaciated?” You don’t actually forget the meaning of the word.
That man KNEW she was cray cray. He had to have. If not, this makes much less sense. Maybe he’s also a victim of Ruby’s controlling abuse,and like a friv being boiled, he couldn’t see how crazy it was bc it was so gradual…I don’t think we will ever really know….
There is NO way this father didn't know of his wife's abuse. He's not even asking about his own children who have been TORTURED! This is heinous, and the phone calls between him and Ruby tell a lot more about their beliefs that come before their own kids.
Here we go again, lots of people wanting to cast blame without knowing the full story. HE had 4 phone calls with Ruby on 13 months, because he was honoring what Jodi said he should do to get his wife and family back.
@@gointothedogs4634Then I guess you don't know the full story. These people had a UA-cam channel YEARS before that evil lady came into their lives. In their videos it was clear these "parents" were f'd up in the head due to their "beliefs" and what they considered to be "discipline" towards their kids... That's why nobody who saw their videos believes this guy had no idea, because he obviously did. He knew what his wife was capable of and he never did anything about it because he believed it was all fine and dandy. And besides... the fact this "father" not only tried to sue his own daughter (because she went into the family home to gather further evidence) but never once showed any shock or deep concern for his youngest children (he didn't ask about their condition nor did he show any desperation to go be with them)... isn't that telling enough about the type of person he is?
@janedoe41276 I 100% agree with you. I think she dominated & manipulated Kevin. I'm curious why they haven't charged him yet. There is enough abuse on those 6 passengers video to charge him.
As if he didn’t know. That was a house of horrors and had been investigated for abuse for YEARS. One of the saddest part of this story is that if the child hadn’t gotten the courage to go and tell, it would still be going on right this minute.
@@mimiity9585 they looked so malnourished… They both had to be just a few days away from perishing😢 and to think Jody and Ruby are getting fed three square meals a day despite the unspeakable abuse they inflicted on children 😓
Sounds to me like Jodi hated men and wanted to get them away from the women He’s not the only one that she’s trying to get away from the wife ! Does she have a husband or is she a lesbian? Is Jodi and Ruby a couple ?
@@catherinedonnelly1025 she def does hate men. And I think her and Jody had a secret relationship. (Despite the fact that that would be a huge sin in their eyes and something that Jody teaches “conversion therapy” for…more double standards 🙄). Whatever the influence, the responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Ruby and Kevin Frankie. If someone “advised” me to beat and starve my kids, I would tell them if they ever suggested that again I would do exactly that exact to them.. most people would. I don’t care how much Ruby and Kevin try to play the victim card. They know the difference between right and wrong.
When Kevin said "I don't know the details" after they revealed the extent of the abuse to his children. And then asked FIRST and FORMOST about the wife. He is AWFUL.
He may also be aware that police are allowed to lie in US. He has so removed himself from the situation through totally believing in his wife, he could see no wrong, or to that extent. Not saying he should not be punished but I’m interested in what he has to say, let it be a lesson to all of us. Never trust 100% in a person no matter how much you love them. He will suffer whether jailed or not.
Yeah, his answer is telling. Maybe he is thinking, what did they do? Because he was the one punishing the kids as well. Kids for them are bad and deserve to be punished. Wackos.
We really need to identify the EMS crew that responded to this call. They deserve to be recognized for their empathy and patience towards the children.
Didn't even ask what hospital they're in. Didn't demand to see them or comfort them. He's a real piece of work. Just not parenting work, not even the minimum requirements.
He hasn't been allowed to see them for a year so his closest contact is his wife who he is still trying to make the marriage work...Soo he is totally confused and not assertive in his actions.
He should have never allowed her to set limits on his contact to his kids. If she didn't want to see him for a year fine but he's still a parent and he should've put his kids before her. He never once put them first.@@LadyLsound
@@LadyLsoundEVEN IF we really believe he's a victim, the commenters statement still ISN'T false. Bc he's not even attempting to parent or even PRETEND! So, he's not even doing the minimum of parenting work. 🤷 I'm not saying he's not a victim at ALL, bc it's very clear Ruby is 💯% calling the shots & pulling his strings, I just don't think he's as big a victim as some of these comments suggest. He's def giving "toxic whipped" syndrome , but not "brainwashed & completely unaware".
That was glaring to me that he didn’t insist or even ask to see the kids. I think this should be used as evidence for him not to have custody of the kids.
"I've had zero communications about the kids. I had no reason think there was anything going wrong." Zero communication about the kids and he has no reason to believe anything was wrong? This guy is an engineer FFS
@@notsorryyouretriggered Yep! And I listened to it twice thinking I must have missed it, but he really only ever expressed concern over what was going to happen to Ruby, not once did he ask any meaningful questions about the kids, or at least none that were recorded. He also mentioned wishing he had been a better husband!? But he wasn't thinking maybe he could have been or should have been a better father? This guy should NEVER regain custody of the 2 youngest. Any visitation should be highly supervised.
@@teresaroby4441he wasn't concerned about nothing about the kids 😮the way he talks about the two other older kids that say a lot of what I heard on all the videos he wasn't had contact with them in two years and him didn't say anything about what happened 😮
Grown up man has no clue where his kids are, what they do, who takes care of them, how their life is going. He’s totally negligent, he doesn’t deserve to be called a father. Gross.
From the very start I thought (and still do) that this guy should be held accountable as well. How fake and shallow he is. He doesn’t give a care about his kids either.
The anger in these investigators voices. Dad didn't ask about the kids, he asked what's happening to his ADULT wife that almost killed these kids in my opinion.
In the context of his kids, yeah he thought the cops were talking about some other family at first, couldn't imagine what they meant by emaciated-did that mean thin, skeletal to the point of starvation? I think I'd ask that too because in one conversation he had with Ruby, not only did he not know she'd moved in with Jodi, but Ruby told him the kids were doing much better without him there,
The continuous repetition of the questions he’s being asked is not really for clarification…it’s giving himself time to think of an answer. Total snake. Weakness in human form.
College professors are not smart. They are parrots and only parrot what the establishment tells them to. It's very possible he didn't know what emaciated is. Most cultists don't know anything other than what they are told
What a weak, sorry excuse of a man. When he feigns tears and says he feels he’s in a horror movie (implying he is being lied to) he is melodramatic and unconvincing. He wants only Ruby. Children be damned.
It's insane to me he doesn't even ask further about the condition of his kids, just wants to know what's going to happen to his wife he just found out abused his children!! Clearly he doesn't care much about his children.
If you make your oldest son sleep outside on a bean bag for 6 months for punishment, then you are as guilty as Ruby. It was bad before Jodi came into the picture.
Please do NOT give this person custody of these children. During an interview, RF claimed that her kids have made some “egregious” choices that led her and Kevin to make this decision. “The two youngest are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have shown, through their choices, an unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to feel sorrow for some pretty egregious choices that they’ve made.” Included in this “gift of truth” that she and Kevin would be giving them this Christmas, she pulled up a graphic and claimed that they would be giving them the gifts of boundaries and repentance.
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside. His interrogations and the calls confirm this further! And he never made Ruby and Jodi accusations - just the opposite (the calls and int. show)!
I just saw the unblurred pictures of RF's body and ankles... it's inhumane to do that to a child😢. Both Kevin and Ruby will always blame Jodi for this because they know how badly they failed as a parent. A mom who always listen to herself and to other people but never to her children, A father who never check his children and never care for them. They should never gain the title of mother and father again, they don't deserve it.
The more I hear from this poor excuse for a father, the more I think that he was well aware of the suffering of his children. The fact that his eldest son has absolutely no contact with his parents, speaks volumes. These children should never be handed back to him or his family.
Please, please don’t let Kevin have these children. At the very least, he will push them to have a relationship with their monstrous mother! Her entire family are already talking about how Ruby is going to be forgiven and that she should reunite with her children. NO WAY!
Hard to believe he has any love for his children if he never checked on them, fought for time with them, inquired about them or had contact with them after the separation. Falling back on "im the provider" narrative as what role he has for his kids, has nothing to do with his actual relationship with them or lacktherof, and actually being a father in their lives. And in this context, seems almost criminally neglectful
That woman Jodi really did a number on him. Watched the 20/20 on this story over the weekend. Absolutely insane to learn what Jodi had been doing to so many families over many years. She used religion to scare the crap out of these people. Disgusting.
@@suitejodi That's passing the buck..no..she's guilty of her own behavior..so is he..his choices are his.. He appears to be so gaga for ruby..he'll say or do anything to gain her approval.. This is an educated man Behaving younger than his children
Notice that Ruby didn’t have to familiarize Kevin with her beliefs that the children were evil. He knew exactly what she was talking about. He didn’t know the specific wounds, perhaps, but he clearly understood what she was saying. Neither of them deserve to have their children!
And probably her own behavior (Ruby's). Neighbors told everyone she liked to flirt around with the males in the neighborhood and even with those who are married! Very interesting behavior for such a "conservative" Mormon wife! 😂😂😂
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside. His interrogations and the calls confirm this further!
My question is how many Fathers would leave the house for a year and NOT ONCE demand or try to see the kids despite what a therapist says. He didnt even call to talk to them. That’s not a loving Father.
His first question after hearing the deplorable, evil, horrendous, monstrous state of his poor, innocent, angel youngest children… is, “WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY WIFE??”, “I TRUST MY WIFE”. Not dropping to his knees begging to be told this can’t be happening to these children he loves so much!! He is a liar that he didn’t know what was going on with his kids!! HE IS JUST AS CULPABLE!!! NO human being goes from a loving, caring, nurturing mother to the evil, sick, monster that is Ruby Franke!!!
He’s clearly not able to utilize wisdom to check in on his children for the sake of the fact that they’re his children. He is incapable of protecting them. The investigators need to talk to the oldest, she will tell them how willing and or incompetent her father actually is.
He finds out about the horrific conditions his children were found in & shows no remorse or grief! No emotions for his children, just blocks his face, & asks about "his wife"! He should never have any contact with the minor children he happily abandoned to severe abuse!
Kevin is just as guilty! Theres VIDEOS of him doing these things BEFORE Jodi came into play, he should be charged as well, please do not let this man walk away
OMG them dragging Jodi out of that house was awesome. And my heart breaks for those kids. Poor lil EF had to be confused out of her mind. Props to the patience & kindness they used w her. Had they forced her, shed have been more traumatized
He has been involved in a situation with one of his students. They got in a serious argument inside classroom and Kevin threw a book on his student. The thing escalated faster! It seems he got a suspension, btw... because Kevin has a bad temper.... Imagine when he loses his temper with a child....just like Ruby? Screaming at them? Punishing them with lomg hours of fasting? Grilling them under the sun of Utah? What else did they afflict to those kids we don't know yet?! 🫤
Why no comment on the fact this man has not cared enough to make sure his kids are safe and taken care of, or even ask how they are ?? So he was off to live his best life with no regard for his kids and when his daughter comes to make sure they are safe, you want her arrested for taking your JOURNALS???
@@Lostmyspoons Agreed. We also want to know why the authorities did nothing when people repeatedly warned them. Those whose job it is to protect the public need to be held to account. It took the 12y old boy to turn up half dead before they got their butt into gear.
See seems drugged here in the interview. Something is going on with him. Also, he is full of it. He keeps portraying himself a a smart Engineer and college professor and doesn't have basic vocabulary. He doesn't ask once how his kids are doing and only shows emotions while talking how he works ever day for his family. By his own statement he hasn't seen his kids for OVER A YEAR and says he had no reason to think something was off. The family he only provides for and doesn't do anything else? He oldest son is no contact! Everything he says is a lie. Nothing adds up.
He saw his EMACIATED children in the hospital and continued to call and support his wife. I don’t even believe divorce is a reality but just a way to access the children, they’re sick.
He doesn't seem concerned at all about the condition of his children. I shouldn't be more concerned about his kids than he is! These people are all monsters.
This reminds me of the scene in Handmaid's Tale where June finds her child and tells her that she tried so hard to get her back. Her daughter said, "Why didn't you try harder?" I wonder if any of the children had this kind of conversation with their father.
Now he wants his kids. But when he was thrown out of his home, he went meekly and did NOTHING to keep watch over his children in those strange circumstances. He doesn’t deserve his kids. But those kids do deserve NOT to have this weak, pathetic, easily manipulated pip squeak as a father.
Yeah,yeah!! He's no victim he himself said he was a clever guy, so he knew the treatment of the children was wrong& only cared about his wife! He shouldn't get custody of his children as he doesn't know how to look after them, only punishment that starves them, ties them up,hits them, child abuse
Apparently, Jodi strongly urged the couples she “counselled” to separate, generally trying to make the husband the source of all the problems. Many couples who received her counselling were strong enough to refuse seeing her. They were the lucky ones.
Ok…he hears about the emaciation, torture & abuse of his children….then his first question is “ what’s going to happen to my wife? then says I love my wife”. Not one ounce of interest in his hospitalized children. Sick…as sick as his wife.
I want Netflix to make a documentary because they go into depth, and we’d be able to see exactly how Kevin was complicit in torturing these children. I don’t think it was just neglect
Addiction to pornography. Blindly following Jodi’s “advice” to separate from his family with no question. The abuse from Ruby and Jodi. These kids never had a chance with these parents. Disgusting.
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside. His interrogations and the calls confirm this further!
As child of two abusive parents, I would like to share my experience: my mother is by far the most abusive and my father has to be in total submission towards her. But my father is abusive with his children too. This man reminds me my father.
Why was he not outraged when he found out his kids are hospitalized and were severely abused . I believed him up until they told him his child is in the hospital and had been tortured and abused and he barely flinched . Grief is a crazy thing. I just don’t know .
And all this supernatural creepiness was going on in his home and he agrees to leave the kids there alone with Ruby and Jodi?? And that’s not irresponsible???
It’s disturbing right from the jump… “Why haven’t you seen your children in over a year?” Kevin: “My wife and I separated..” And it just gets worse from there.. Anyone whose reasoning to outright abandon their children because they’re separating from the other parent only reveals they were never invested in their children.
The two older kids who were living on their own when the arrest happened… why didn’t they contact their dad about the abuse and neglect? They called neighbors and police but not Kevin. Strange.
For the most part, the criminal part of this is over, but the civil part of it is still ongoing. This guy still hasn’t got his kids back. I don’t think he’s going to get his kids back.
That’s a little unfair. Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife and two kids. Is there any evidence that Kevin knew about how his wife was treating the kids. If he hasn’t been with his family for over a family it’s very possible he didn’t know. I’m sure the police went thru all the calls and texts between him and his wife.
One of the weakest men to have walked on Earth! He didn't ask about the kids because he well knew that the wife was abusive and they took it up a notch with the help of Jodi. That's the reason he allowed her to move to Jodi's house, so they could abuse the kids with no witnesses.
Even if this man wasn't aware of the abuse his kids were suffering from, what a lame excuse for a man to not ask about his kids....letting his wife not even mention them in their telephone conversations. There is something deeply wrong with him too.
"No matter what happens" UNLESS people start placing much deserved blame on HIM!!! Then he wanted to file for divorce to try to dodge his accountability for what happened to his kids. He didn't "step up" he stepped OUT for over a yr
I can’t believe I haven’t seen anything regarding the possibility that the only reason he might be divorcing her is because he knows that that will look better for him to get the kids back. He said he’d stick by her through everything.
He’s no father to those children his wife and him took away a child’s bed and withheld food from their children for not getting all their chores done before breakfast like kids needs breakfast to start their day and a bed to sleep in at night
I agree you don't discipline a child by starving them, dehydrating them, not allowing them proper clothing and a bed to sleep in at night. That these are the go to things they used make me feel they were very awful parents with no actual skills beyond how to exploit and abuse a child.
Kevin is just as Guilty! Him and Ruby were Abusing the kids long before Jodi!! He didn't care about these kids when he Left them for a Year!! Kevin should be in jail too!!
No way he didn’t know , and his conversations with Frankie I’m here for you and support you 😮 he had a hand in all this ! He cared less about these kids shame on him 😢
Kevin knew everything. What dad doesn’t fight for his kids when he knows the treatment that group subscribes to. He is complicit all the way. I hope he never gets custody.
I don't think you understand the extent of brainwashing they get from those religious cults. How many people followed Jim Jones to their end, or David Koresh??? It's hard for us to understand because we haven't gone through it.
His reaction makes no sense. When the policeman delivers his punchline and closes the trap he has walked this man into he does not ask what happened, how the children ended up malnourished and emaciated. That should have been his very first question and it should have been asked in shocked astonishment. That visceral shock is completely missing. His reaction is so muted he eventually appears to realise this himself and goes on to narrate his feelings rather than expressing them naturally.
It sounds like your children grew up in a horror home! With you as the Dad & active participant,,up till a year ago! But abandoning your minor children is also abuse!
Interesting that he, Ruby and Jodi use the term “invited” instead of “asked” or “told.” I think he has been brainwashed. Seemed a little deer-in-the-headlights.
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You didn’t cover his admission of Ruby signing over their UA-cam channel to Jodi. He said that they lost 90% of income when that happened
But they did in the video with the interview in its entirety. @@elizabeth4053
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He abandoned his children.
He should be in court too.
Jody and Ruby should have went to trial.
They say it would be hard on the children, but maybe it would have been a Blessing for the children's feelings to be validated and it really was that bad.
Adults are out of touch.
Better Help is filled with unlicensed therapists
"How would you discipline your kids?"
"yea im not gonna answer that question".... yep Kevin needs to be investigated too
He is fully complicit in what happened to his children! The abuse was ongoing prior to Jodi coming on scene!
He was part of it and didn't start with Jody.
He is definitely guilty
He was around when his wife sent the daughter to school hungry with no lunch and she stated that" I hope no one gives her food she'll just have to starve." it's all on the Podcast!
100% he new what they were doing but hes such a spineless pos he didnt care
"Whats going to happen to my wife, i love my wife"after he is told the state his child was left in... NEVER ONCE asking how his child was !!!! 😡
obviously he cares about his kids, you can't know what was said before or after, he was concerned about the jail time and such
When Kevin was told that Ruby had been arrested for abusing their children and that his children were in the hospital because they were emaciated, covered in wounds, and severely dehydrated he asked about his wife, instead of his kids. That's all I need to know about the quality of Kevin's parenting.
Exactly!
And he called her and he seemed incredibly concerned with journals and a laptop and evidence.
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I can't forgive him for not seeing his children for an entire year. His mistake was trusting Ruby & Jodi. Divorcing Ruby is a step in the right direction.
Did Kevin do anything inappropriate with the kids?
What kind of college professor doesn’t know what “emaciated” means
He knows what emaciated means.
A lying professor.
No, I disagree. I think he was fighting denial at the same time. I think his failure to comprehend the scope of these claims speaks to his innocence. Think about it, that's the LAST thing a man in his position would want to accept as reality. Not to mention, it's not that easy to just accept the police are being honest and on the right side of justice these days. I mean we've ALL heard horror stories concerning crooked cops. He's in a very vulnerable position, and I think he handled the situation quite well.
@@Gracemarcantel hmm, maybe but I think you would say “emaciated ? What do you mean my kids are emaciated?” You don’t actually forget the meaning of the word.
That is one of the many baffling things about Kevin.
Sorry but Kevin can’t pin all this abuse on Jodi . Kevin and Ruby were toxic , exploitative, and abusive WELL BEFORE Jodi came into the picture .
@@hydrostatic8048MGTOW and don’t forget 2 women as well
That man KNEW she was cray cray. He had to have. If not, this makes much less sense. Maybe he’s also a victim of Ruby’s controlling abuse,and like a friv being boiled, he couldn’t see how crazy it was bc it was so gradual…I don’t think we will ever really know….
@@SD0224😯 How dare you. Are you some kind of incel?
I am deeply concerned that after hearing his kids are starving to death, his biggest concern is what is going to happen to his wife.
I think so too, she was abusing long before jodi.
Kevin is 100% complicit in the horrific abuse his children have endured.
There is NO way this father didn't know of his wife's abuse. He's not even asking about his own children who have been TORTURED! This is heinous, and the phone calls between him and Ruby tell a lot more about their beliefs that come before their own kids.
Here we go again, lots of people wanting to cast blame without knowing the full story. HE had 4 phone calls with Ruby on 13 months, because he was honoring what Jodi said he should do to get his wife and family back.
I'm guessing he was abused & manipulated by Ruby as well. To go that long without contact with his kids, demonstrates the power Ruby held.
Maybe you should wait to get old enough to get into a relationship before you make that kind of accusation!
@@gointothedogs4634Then I guess you don't know the full story. These people had a UA-cam channel YEARS before that evil lady came into their lives. In their videos it was clear these "parents" were f'd up in the head due to their "beliefs" and what they considered to be "discipline" towards their kids...
That's why nobody who saw their videos believes this guy had no idea, because he obviously did. He knew what his wife was capable of and he never did anything about it because he believed it was all fine and dandy.
And besides... the fact this "father" not only tried to sue his own daughter (because she went into the family home to gather further evidence) but never once showed any shock or deep concern for his youngest children (he didn't ask about their condition nor did he show any desperation to go be with them)... isn't that telling enough about the type of person he is?
@janedoe41276 I 100% agree with you. I think she dominated & manipulated Kevin. I'm curious why they haven't charged him yet. There is enough abuse on those 6 passengers video to charge him.
As if he didn’t know. That was a house of horrors and had been investigated for abuse for YEARS. One of the saddest part of this story is that if the child hadn’t gotten the courage to go and tell, it would still be going on right this minute.
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Or sadder, because they were starving had wounds and hard labor could have easily died!!!
All of these evil adults must hate the 12 year old son.
He is smarter and more sensible than all these adults put together
@@mimiity9585 they looked so malnourished… They both had to be just a few days away from perishing😢 and to think Jody and Ruby are getting fed three square meals a day despite the unspeakable abuse they inflicted on children 😓
Sounds to me like Jodi hated men and wanted to get them away from the women
He’s not the only one that she’s trying to get away from the wife !
Does she have a husband or is she a lesbian?
Is Jodi and Ruby a couple ?
@@catherinedonnelly1025 she def does hate men. And I think her and Jody had a secret relationship. (Despite the fact that that would be a huge sin in their eyes and something that Jody teaches “conversion therapy” for…more double standards 🙄). Whatever the influence, the responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Ruby and Kevin Frankie. If someone “advised” me to beat and starve my kids, I would tell them if they ever suggested that again I would do exactly that exact to them.. most people would. I don’t care how much Ruby and Kevin try to play the victim card. They know the difference between right and wrong.
When Kevin said "I don't know the details" after they revealed the extent of the abuse to his children. And then asked FIRST and FORMOST about the wife. He is AWFUL.
He may also be aware that police are allowed to lie in US. He has so removed himself from the situation through totally believing in his wife, he could see no wrong, or to that extent. Not saying he should not be punished but I’m interested in what he has to say, let it be a lesson to all of us. Never trust 100% in a person no matter how much you love them. He will suffer whether jailed or not.
He was brain washed. Gross.
Yeah, his answer is telling. Maybe he is thinking, what did they do? Because he was the one punishing the kids as well. Kids for them are bad and deserve to be punished. Wackos.
Yup. He's guilty just like her!
He didn't seem to give darn about his children. What a loving father.
We really need to identify the EMS crew that responded to this call. They deserve to be recognized for their empathy and patience towards the children.
I agree; the cops, too. And this must have been traumatic for them.
They were in such shock they didn’t even perform at their best (when pple put down what they did wrong)… this is why, they did the best they could!
Didn't even ask what hospital they're in. Didn't demand to see them or comfort them. He's a real piece of work. Just not parenting work, not even the minimum requirements.
He hasn't been allowed to see them for a year so his closest contact is his wife who he is still trying to make the marriage work...Soo he is totally confused and not assertive in his actions.
He should have never allowed her to set limits on his contact to his kids. If she didn't want to see him for a year fine but he's still a parent and he should've put his kids before her. He never once put them first.@@LadyLsound
@@LadyLsoundEVEN IF we really believe he's a victim, the commenters statement still ISN'T false. Bc he's not even attempting to parent or even PRETEND! So, he's not even doing the minimum of parenting work. 🤷 I'm not saying he's not a victim at ALL, bc it's very clear Ruby is 💯% calling the shots & pulling his strings, I just don't think he's as big a victim as some of these comments suggest. He's def giving "toxic whipped" syndrome , but not "brainwashed & completely unaware".
That was glaring to me that he didn’t insist or even ask to see the kids. I think this should be used as evidence for him not to have custody of the kids.
Exactly
"I've had zero communications about the kids. I had no reason think there was anything going wrong."
Zero communication about the kids and he has no reason to believe anything was wrong?
This guy is an engineer FFS
how convenient.
Did he ever ask how the rescued children were doing?
Eff him, too.
No. He asked about his wife first
yup
Exactly....the children's abuser. Not a word....about his hospitalized younger children or their 2 older sisters.
@@notsorryyouretriggered Yep! And I listened to it twice thinking I must have missed it, but he really only ever expressed concern over what was going to happen to Ruby, not once did he ask any meaningful questions about the kids, or at least none that were recorded. He also mentioned wishing he had been a better husband!? But he wasn't thinking maybe he could have been or should have been a better father? This guy should NEVER regain custody of the 2 youngest. Any visitation should be highly supervised.
@@teresaroby4441he wasn't concerned about nothing about the kids 😮the way he talks about the two other older kids that say a lot of what I heard on all the videos he wasn't had contact with them in two years and him didn't say anything about what happened 😮
Grown up man has no clue where his kids are, what they do, who takes care of them, how their life is going. He’s totally negligent, he doesn’t deserve to be called a father. Gross.
He knows plates were flying out of the cabinet. He heard demons talking out of Jody. He decided that would be a safe environment for his kids?
From the very start I thought (and still do) that this guy should be held accountable as well. How fake and shallow he is. He doesn’t give a care about his kids either.
The anger in these investigators voices. Dad didn't ask about the kids, he asked what's happening to his ADULT wife that almost killed these kids in my opinion.
He used words like, " nebulous" and he doesn't know what emaciated means?! I call BS
😅😂 💯 BS!
In the context of his kids, yeah he thought the cops were talking about some other family at first, couldn't imagine what they meant by emaciated-did that mean thin, skeletal to the point of starvation? I think I'd ask that too because in one conversation he had with Ruby, not only did he not know she'd moved in with Jodi, but Ruby told him the kids were doing much better without him there,
100% agree! Kevin IS an intelligent, well educated person. HE KNEW.
isn't it ironic how some of the most highly intelligent people have no common sense?
And he's an Engineer professor in a college? Insane.
The continuous repetition of the questions he’s being asked is not really for clarification…it’s giving himself time to think of an answer. Total snake. Weakness in human form.
Wait. He’s a “college professor” but didn’t know what “emaciated” is? BS
Just of engineering.
College professors are not smart. They are parrots and only parrot what the establishment tells them to. It's very possible he didn't know what emaciated is. Most cultists don't know anything other than what they are told
you would be suprised what college professors dont know....
@@trueCrimeGuruYes Engineering is applied science, what are you talking about?
It's one word. Kinda jumping to conclusions here, aren't we.
What a weak, sorry excuse of a man. When he feigns tears and says he feels he’s in a horror movie (implying he is being lied to) he is melodramatic and unconvincing. He wants only Ruby. Children be damned.
It's insane to me he doesn't even ask further about the condition of his kids, just wants to know what's going to happen to his wife he just found out abused his children!! Clearly he doesn't care much about his children.
If you make your oldest son sleep outside on a bean bag for 6 months for punishment, then you are as guilty as Ruby. It was bad before Jodi came into the picture.
EXACTLY
Please do NOT give this person custody of these children.
During an interview, RF claimed that her kids have made some “egregious” choices that led her and Kevin to make this decision. “The two youngest are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have shown, through their choices, an unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to feel sorrow for some pretty egregious choices that they’ve made.”
Included in this “gift of truth” that she and Kevin would be giving them this Christmas, she pulled up a graphic and claimed that they would be giving them the gifts of boundaries and repentance.
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull
But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside.
His interrogations and the calls confirm this further!
And he never made Ruby and Jodi accusations - just the opposite (the calls and int. show)!
I just saw the unblurred pictures of RF's body and ankles... it's inhumane to do that to a child😢. Both Kevin and Ruby will always blame Jodi for this because they know how badly they failed as a parent. A mom who always listen to herself and to other people but never to her children, A father who never check his children and never care for them. They should never gain the title of mother and father again, they don't deserve it.
Where did you see that?
The more I hear from this poor excuse for a father, the more I think that he was well aware of the suffering of his children. The fact that his eldest son has absolutely no contact with his parents, speaks volumes. These children should never be handed back to him or his family.
Absolutely agree
But the oldest son and daughter went to court with the dad.
He knew.
I completely agree with you 💯
Please, please don’t let Kevin have these children. At the very least, he will push them to have a relationship with their monstrous mother! Her entire family are already talking about how Ruby is going to be forgiven and that she should reunite with her children. NO WAY!
Hard to believe he has any love for his children if he never checked on them, fought for time with them, inquired about them or had contact with them after the separation. Falling back on "im the provider" narrative as what role he has for his kids, has nothing to do with his actual relationship with them or lacktherof, and actually being a father in their lives. And in this context, seems almost criminally neglectful
That woman Jodi really did a number on him. Watched the 20/20 on this story over the weekend. Absolutely insane to learn what Jodi had been doing to so many families over many years. She used religion to scare the crap out of these people. Disgusting.
@@suitejodi
That's passing the buck..no..she's guilty of her own behavior..so is he..his choices are his..
He appears to be so gaga for ruby..he'll say or do anything to gain her approval..
This is an educated man Behaving younger than his children
@@suitejodiif more of Jodi's past clients came forward now, maybe more charges or civil suits??
that's how Mormon men are raised
Lots of men feel little or no love for their children and their unwillingness to support them financially confirms it!
He didn't even ask about his kids i hope he doesn't get custody of those kids.
He is guilty as much as ruby and jodi, they are pure evil
AGREED
Complicit…not equally as guilty.
"I have a picture of my family on my wall that I look at every DAY!!!" slams the table.
He’s so fake!
Hes so full of shi/!
Saying he has a pic on the wall…
Like dude they are alive!!!talk to them!!!FREAKN weirdo!
Seems so rehearsed!
He is asking about his "wife" and not how his kids are. DISGUSTING!!!
When the police man told Kevin about his son, his reaction says more "oh no, they found out" instead of "is my son okay???" He knows
All you need to do is listen to Kevin’s phone call with Ruby while she was in jail . He knew and approved of the abusive parenting .
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He was her cheerleader for sure.
Ruby to Kevin: “You know what it takes to fight evil! You’ve seen it!” Tell us all about it, Kevin…
Notice that Ruby didn’t have to familiarize Kevin with her beliefs that the children were evil. He knew exactly what she was talking about. He didn’t know the specific wounds, perhaps, but he clearly understood what she was saying. Neither of them deserve to have their children!
And probably her own behavior (Ruby's).
Neighbors told everyone she liked to flirt around with the males in the neighborhood and even with those who are married!
Very interesting behavior for such a "conservative" Mormon wife! 😂😂😂
His reaction seems so performative. I don’t believe he’s 100% innocent in this.
He didn’t ask about his children how they are doing . He said (I love my wife), FY AND YOUR FING WIFE
Yet he left all of them? Hadn’t seen any of them for a year? What a POS!
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull
But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside.
His interrogations and the calls confirm this further!
@@PiandaI guess it was successful, except it's clear he isn't interested in the well-being of his children at all.
It's suspicious how he repeats all the questions the officers are asking him. He knew.
Yes that is what liars do!
Go get their story straight!
What type of father is clueless without a tear dropped. He KNEW a long time ago. Pathetic!
I can’t believe this man trusts his wife after what she did this to his kids. There is no way he should have custody
He seems more interested in in himself and Ruby. Never asked about his daughter.
Or his son!! Usually, fathers will care about the son, at the very least! Nothing. He’s a vile animal! Just like the other two monsters!
Or his son
My question is how many Fathers would leave the house for a year and NOT ONCE demand or try to see the kids despite what a therapist says. He didnt even call to talk to them. That’s not a loving Father.
Poor kids. He's so polite when he's asking for help. My heart hurts for all the forgotten heartbeats.
This guy is horrible. I hope he never gets his children back. He’s as bad as Ruby.
Jesse, stop. You don’t abandon your kids and never ask how they’re doing.
His first question after hearing the deplorable, evil, horrendous, monstrous state of his poor, innocent, angel youngest children… is, “WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY WIFE??”, “I TRUST MY WIFE”. Not dropping to his knees begging to be told this can’t be happening to these children he loves so much!! He is a liar that he didn’t know what was going on with his kids!! HE IS JUST AS CULPABLE!!! NO human being goes from a loving, caring, nurturing mother to the evil, sick, monster that is Ruby Franke!!!
Both mother and father should NEVER get kids back
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He’s clearly not able to utilize wisdom to check in on his children for the sake of the fact that they’re his children. He is incapable of protecting them. The investigators need to talk to the oldest, she will tell them how willing and or incompetent her father actually is.
He finds out about the horrific conditions his children were found in & shows no remorse or grief! No emotions for his children, just blocks his face, & asks about "his wife"! He should never have any contact with the minor children he happily abandoned to severe abuse!
Kevin is just as guilty! Theres VIDEOS of him doing these things BEFORE Jodi came into play, he should be charged as well, please do not let this man walk away
Maybe. It he wasn't presentat the time of this scenero.
Just have to be careful with cults. Always trouble
I disagree. He was not living there and participating. Yes, they had some weird types of behavior when together but he was not there at this time.
@@smallretiredlifeI’m sure he did abuse those children. Cops gotta dig into those ‘questionable discipline practices’ he’s guilty.
@@smallretiredlife What kind of father *agrees* not to have any contact with his children?
In my opinion, Kevin was forced to do the videos.
OMG them dragging Jodi out of that house was awesome. And my heart breaks for those kids. Poor lil EF had to be confused out of her mind. Props to the patience & kindness they used w her. Had they forced her, shed have been more traumatized
So glad "he had the space he needed" and didn't see his own kids or hear about his kids for over a year. What a father he was.
It sound as though this separation was convenient to him at the cost of the abuse of his children.
He well knew they were being abused & was complicit! He cared nothing for their well-being!
He has been involved in a situation with one of his students.
They got in a serious argument inside classroom and Kevin threw a book on his student.
The thing escalated faster! It seems he got a suspension, btw... because Kevin has a bad temper....
Imagine when he loses his temper with a child....just like Ruby? Screaming at them? Punishing them with lomg hours of fasting? Grilling them under the sun of Utah?
What else did they afflict to those kids we don't know yet?! 🫤
Jodi said if he tried to see them it would prove what a bad husband and father he was.
I don't believe it for a minute ~~ he's complicit
Why no comment on the fact this man has not cared enough to make sure his kids are safe and taken care of, or even ask how they are ?? So he was off to live his best life with no regard for his kids and when his daughter comes to make sure they are safe, you want her arrested for taking your JOURNALS???
What are you talking about? There’s tons of comments about this.
That dad is a spineless little baby. Those children had no one.
They had Shari. They had their older sister trying, but she didn’t know how bad it really was. She called the cops on her parents multiple times…
@@Lostmyspoons Agreed. We also want to know why the authorities did nothing when people repeatedly warned them.
Those whose job it is to protect the public need to be held to account.
It took the 12y old boy to turn up half dead before they got their butt into gear.
He said he's "just a paycheck for them". Just Dad with 💰💰. He displays barely emotions 😒
💯 gosh I hope they are in a much better place. I think their sister helped
See seems drugged here in the interview. Something is going on with him. Also, he is full of it. He keeps portraying himself a a smart Engineer and college professor and doesn't have basic vocabulary.
He doesn't ask once how his kids are doing and only shows emotions while talking how he works ever day for his family. By his own statement he hasn't seen his kids for OVER A YEAR and says he had no reason to think something was off. The family he only provides for and doesn't do anything else? He oldest son is no contact!
Everything he says is a lie.
Nothing adds up.
This sweet angel asking for a favor from the neighbor. Breaks my heart
It's called disgusting parenting
He saw his EMACIATED children in the hospital and continued to call and support his wife. I don’t even believe divorce is a reality but just a way to access the children, they’re sick.
totally gross and unacceptable. The worst part is he may already have custody
Not even parenting.
Guilty! Horrible father.
He shouldn't get custody of any of the kids full stop
His first response is that he trust his wife?! You know what they say: "birds of a feather flock together." They don't deserve to have children.
He doesn't seem concerned at all about the condition of his children. I shouldn't be more concerned about his kids than he is! These people are all monsters.
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"I'm a smart guy, but I don't know what 'emaciated' means"
He's not qualified to be called "Daddy"
Dads protect their children from any threat. Even if its their child’s mother
Sperm donor
This reminds me of the scene in Handmaid's Tale where June finds her child and tells her that she tried so hard to get her back. Her daughter said, "Why didn't you try harder?" I wonder if any of the children had this kind of conversation with their father.
Now he wants his kids. But when he was thrown out of his home, he went meekly and did NOTHING to keep watch over his children in those strange circumstances. He doesn’t deserve his kids. But those kids do deserve NOT to have this weak, pathetic, easily manipulated pip squeak as a father.
When asked about his role in the family he should have said
Doormat
He's a pathetic excuse for a man and father! A stranger would have shown more concern over his children than this pos is showing!
Yeah,yeah!! He's no victim he himself said he was a clever guy, so he knew the treatment of the children was wrong& only cared about his wife! He shouldn't get custody of his children as he doesn't know how to look after them, only punishment that starves them, ties them up,hits them, child abuse
He wanted ‘the living evidence’ under his control
Pip squeak?? Hahaha haven't heard that in decades.
That baby when he tells the neighbor “its personal business” absolutely breaks my heart
At the very least shouldn’t he be charged with parental neglect??
Does anyone else have a feeling that Ruby and Jodi were secretly a couple this whole time?
Thought that from the beginning
Oh no doubt that Jodi was cucking Kevin with his wife
They sit awfully close when they're doing those videos. I only sit that close to my closest family members.
That's a decent explanation. They were doing something sinful, so they projected sin on others.
Yessss I’m surprised more people aren’t seeing and saying this!!!!!!!It’s pretty obvious !!!!!!!
Apparently, Jodi strongly urged the couples she “counselled” to separate, generally trying to make the husband the source of all the problems. Many couples who received her counselling were strong enough to refuse seeing her. They were the lucky ones.
Ok…he hears about the emaciation, torture & abuse of his children….then his first question is “ what’s going to happen to my wife? then says I love my wife”. Not one ounce of interest in his hospitalized children. Sick…as sick as his wife.
Kevin claims all of this crazy weird stuff with Jodi Hildebrandt and yet he follows what she tells him to do.
I never met a smart guy who said “I’m a smart guy…” and then described a poltergeist.
Yeah, so smart he didn't know what emaciated ment. 🙄
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@@nicoleabate2162 lmao!
I want Netflix to make a documentary because they go into depth, and we’d be able to see exactly how Kevin was complicit in torturing these children. I don’t think it was just neglect
I agree with the documentary being useful..but not on netflix..needs to be free for all to learn from
Definitely need a transparent documentary, but Netflix isn't transparent! I never see what they put out.
Agreed!! There’s so much footage from their disgusting channel over the years.
Disagree. You're easily fooled if Netflix is your gold standard for documentaries lol
It will be under the category of cults, Mormonism, extreme Christianity and etc. It’s giving FLDS vibes…
Addiction to pornography. Blindly following Jodi’s “advice” to separate from his family with no question. The abuse from Ruby and Jodi. These kids never had a chance with these parents. Disgusting.
He knew what was happening, coward
I am convinced that Kevin had been retreated cautiously - as a PROFESSOR, in case, this torture came out. . It came out, he could play the ignorant Naive, and in such his strategy was - quite - successfull
But he knew Jodo before, she was known for her methods, and Kevin necessarily agreed to this torture, but kept away on the outside.
His interrogations and the calls confirm this further!
As child of two abusive parents, I would like to share my experience: my mother is by far the most abusive and my father has to be in total submission towards her. But my father is abusive with his children too. This man reminds me my father.
Kevin was complicit for years, should be held accountable.
Why was he not outraged when he found out his kids are hospitalized and were severely abused . I believed him up until they told him his child is in the hospital and had been tortured and abused and he barely flinched . Grief is a crazy thing. I just don’t know .
And all this supernatural creepiness was going on in his home and he agrees to leave the kids there alone with Ruby and Jodi?? And that’s not irresponsible???
Not just leave them in the home. Not check on them for 13 months.
It’s disturbing right from the jump…
“Why haven’t you seen your children in over a year?”
Kevin: “My wife and I separated..”
And it just gets worse from there..
Anyone whose reasoning to outright abandon their children because they’re separating from the other parent only reveals they were never invested in their children.
He didn’t ask about his kids once. Spoiler alert. He is disgusting.
The two older kids who were living on their own when the arrest happened… why didn’t they contact their dad about the abuse and neglect? They called neighbors and police but not Kevin. Strange.
I am not buying his BS
For the most part, the criminal part of this is over, but the civil part of it is still ongoing. This guy still hasn’t got his kids back. I don’t think he’s going to get his kids back.
"I just want my kids" -- Chris Watts.
"I just want my kids" --Kevin Franke.
Well spotted. He’s got the exact same chilling fake calm demeanour too.
Caught that too
That’s a little unfair. Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife and two kids. Is there any evidence that Kevin knew about how his wife was treating the kids. If he hasn’t been with his family for over a family it’s very possible he didn’t know. I’m sure the police went thru all the calls and texts between him and his wife.
Wow
But Chris watts laughed when he said that
One of the weakest men to have walked on Earth! He didn't ask about the kids because he well knew that the wife was abusive and they took it up a notch with the help of Jodi. That's the reason he allowed her to move to Jodi's house, so they could abuse the kids with no witnesses.
Kevin is/was a college professor and he had to ask what "emaciated" means? His whole demeanor is just off.
Even if this man wasn't aware of the abuse his kids were suffering from, what a lame excuse for a man to not ask about his kids....letting his wife not even mention them in their telephone conversations. There is something deeply wrong with him too.
Why does he want his kids now? He didn't want his kids the day before or even the whole year before this happened.
I believe his wife ORDERED him to get the children..
He has no interest in them or their well being..
I think he wants them because his wife told him in a phone call to go get them. He seems to do everything she wants him to do.
He wants them because Ruby told him to go pick them up and he loves his wife. He could care less about his kids.
"No matter what happens" UNLESS people start placing much deserved blame on HIM!!! Then he wanted to file for divorce to try to dodge his accountability for what happened to his kids. He didn't "step up" he stepped OUT for over a yr
How he could claim to be “father” to those poor children is beyond me.. ignored them for an entire year
I can’t believe I haven’t seen anything regarding the possibility that the only reason he might be divorcing her is because he knows that that will look better for him to get the kids back. He said he’d stick by her through everything.
He’s no father to those children his wife and him took away a child’s bed and withheld food from their children for not getting all their chores done before breakfast like kids needs breakfast to start their day and a bed to sleep in at night
I agree you don't discipline a child by starving them, dehydrating them, not allowing them proper clothing and a bed to sleep in at night. That these are the go to things they used make me feel they were very awful parents with no actual skills beyond how to exploit and abuse a child.
Kevin is just as Guilty! Him and Ruby were Abusing the kids long before Jodi!! He didn't care about these kids when he Left them for a Year!!
Kevin should be in jail too!!
What an actor. He’s just as guiltu
No way he didn’t know , and his conversations with Frankie I’m here for you and support you 😮 he had a hand in all this ! He cared less about these kids shame on him 😢
Kevin knew everything. What dad doesn’t fight for his kids when he knows the treatment that group subscribes to. He is complicit all the way. I hope he never gets custody.
I don't think you understand the extent of brainwashing they get from those religious cults. How many people followed Jim Jones to their end, or David Koresh??? It's hard for us to understand because we haven't gone through it.
When the kids grow up, they will reflect. They will know. They will hold him accountable. He did not protect them.
His reaction makes no sense. When the policeman delivers his punchline and closes the trap he has walked this man into he does not ask what happened, how the children ended up malnourished and emaciated. That should have been his very first question and it should have been asked in shocked astonishment. That visceral shock is completely missing. His reaction is so muted he eventually appears to realise this himself and goes on to narrate his feelings rather than expressing them naturally.
He didn't even ask about the daughter.
Or the son!!!
It sounds like your children grew up in a horror home! With you as the Dad & active participant,,up till a year ago! But abandoning your minor children is also abuse!
Interesting that he, Ruby and Jodi use the term “invited” instead of “asked” or “told.” I think he has been brainwashed. Seemed a little deer-in-the-headlights.
I noticed that too! It’s such a WEIRD way of speaking! He’s clearly so easily manipulated
Why would he separate without a custody order and just stay away from his children with no questions asked???
The way he reacted to the officer giving him the details came across like “oh my gosh, she did it again”
He never says Ruby wouldn't do this.
This is not a father!!
He needs to be held responsible/ accountable for his actions.
I find his lack of questions about his children’s well-being really disturbing. He saved both those & his tears for Ruby.
Those poor kids 💔
100% wouldn’t that be the first thing you’d ask and drill down into? He’s complicit and weak.