"No Quarter!" - The Border War Between Kansas and Missouri
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In a conflict that staged over ten thousand fights, Virginia led as a theater of war. The Volunteer State of Tennessee, second. What surprises many is that the third most active theater in the American Civil War was the border state of Missouri, a slave-holding state that remained within the Union.
There, the curtain for violence rose long before Confederate forces open-fired on Fort Sumter. Indeed, on any night from 1855 until the summer of 1865, an attack on any town or settlement in Missouri or across the border in Kansas could strike like a bolt of lightning from a clear blue sky. In both states, lingering ill will and vicious fighting erased the line between civilian and soldier, armed violence with Old Testament vengeance and fury. In short, the worst guerilla war in American history.
And now, the uncivil border war between Kansas and Missouri.
#civilwar #civilwarhistory #borderwars
Narrated by Fred Kiger
Produced by Dan Irving
Published by Third Wheel Media
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Some Characters Mentioned In This Episode:
Charles "Doc" Jennison
James Henry Lane
James Montgomery
William Clarke Quantrill
Frank James
Thomas Ewing, Jr.
William "Bloody Bill" Anderson
Excellent episode. As someone that grew up in rural Greene County of Southern Missouri, I can testify to the truth that feelings still run deep about what happened those 160 years past.
Same in Kansas
@@hkiller57 Yeah definitely there are 2 they didn't want to give up their so-called property. It sucks you have to do your own work huh. And just so you know the majority of the country knows that you people that live in those places would turn back the clock in a heartbeat if you could. And you confederate dummies did more damage to your own states and towns and cities than the northern soldiers did. But nice try though.
Exceptional storytelling. I grew up east of Ocheltree, between Spring Hill and the former site of Aubry, Kansas. Spent summers in the Missouri Ozarks, with kin on both sides of the border. Many raised in and around that Burnt District still bear a haunted, vaguely uneasy sense of identity, though few who remain close to home seem aware of it. Generational trauma is a real thing.
You're talking about the border between Kansas and Missouri like it's Germany and France. What rock did you live under ? And I love that you people enjoy hearing these romanticized fictional stories of Americans killing other Americans so that they get on another person
Do you even know who the person is in the photo that you use on your own channel ? I got a sneaking suspicion you don't
I am just delighted that someone is talking about Missouri during the Civil War, we are often ignored or forgotten.
Grew up near Iron County. One can still see Civil War scars on the Court House and the landmarks nearby.
@@jamesdavis9774 Keytesville MO here...southern lies and revision all over the place
May we never forget to study and learn from our history. I wish more would. Thank you, take care.
Awesome show . As a Missourian the word Jawhawk still holds contempt
And it makes this Kansan proud.
I bet you're struck with fear when right before "jayhawk"
You hear "ROCK CHALK"
proud of terror? arson? murder? theft Kansans stealing from MO farmers, using war for excuse? yep. proud Kansan. :-/ @@nnonotnow
I was born / raised & still live in the Kansas City , Missouri area . I traveled for 8 years being up North to Minnesota , Illinois , Michigan . When there people would ask me are you from the South ? No Missouri . When in the South , Tennessee , Alabama , Georgia , I would be asked are you from the North ? , No from Missouri . I always thought that was interesting
Being from Missouri also, I got a lot of that while I was in the Marine Corps. I pretty much answered the same way.
My grandfather who died in 1969 could recite Order #11 by heart. Lotta resentment still. I'll just leave that there.
I loved this! I knew about bleeding kansas, q's raiders, Harper's ferry. You made it so real by including actual residents, families and farm animals etc. Then you mentioned future raiders and robbers. You tied a lot of interesting strings together. Also the gun calibers, models and makers...amazing!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." ―Grampa Simpson
Finally the battle for my native state of Kansas!
Edit: After listening to this highly informative episode, it is wise to remember the past and use caution in our actions today.
The take away from this episode, is the adage, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.” There is no black or white, only a morose shade of dark gray manifested from perspective. Whose perspective, north or south, proslaver, abolitionist free stater, or neutral pacifist? It does not matter once your world has entered the morose shade of gray. There are no winners, only losers.
I wish you would of told about the Burning of Harrisonville mo
I'm a 44 yr old born in Manhattan KS descendent of German American Ancestors that were born in the 1850's this gave me chills. Been all over this state chasing pheasant in my youth, seen a lot of the land marks! Thank you sir for this!
Drove along the Kansas/Missouri border last month. Saw a lot of the markers. Sad. "You may not want war, but war may want you."
Sir, you are a storyteller of the finest quality! It's funny to think of Kansas as founded by progressive reformers with characters and cities founded and funded by well to do pockets from back east. I guess those pockets eventually got holes in them. What a pleasure to watch and listen. One minute of John Brown and fifty minutes of ...here is the rest of the story. Thank you!
Exceptional! Great details and timeline. One of the best I’ve heard as a Kansas Historian interested in local events. A+
I grew up in Independence Missouri and remember 4th grade with clarity. At recess, the school would let us kids out to play and the boys would put our civil war caps on ( blue/gray ) and go at it. In those days they called it “rough housing “… The teachers just look the other way as “boys will be boys. I’am 84 yrs old to day.
Nowa days,
They don't let boys be boys when they can help it
Amazing that you were born and raised in a place called independence Missouri. And the fact that people lived in independence Missouri and still couldn't figure out it was wrong to own other people 😂
Watched the entire thing, your narration and way of explaining the events really makes the story easy to understand and picture. This made me want to take a trip to Kansas soon to see what historic sights are left
I live in Johnson County and I assure you the "War of Northern Agression " is not forgotten. The local area has families related that had murders and burnings by Kansas Raiders. One murder, a Micheal Summer was shot down and his crippled son murdered. Two local plantation houses were burned with the slave families inside alive.
Excellent video. I live about an hour from Kansas City Missouri and grew up with the stories and as I have gotten older, now 45 years old, I continually find it more interesting to see how much was going on at this border that was never taught to us in schoolabout this portion of the Civil War and about the building of our country.
Well Josey Wales never surrendered!
Neither did General Joe Shelby
@@j.b.3693 and @podunkmissouri4999, Yes you both are so right!
Just joined today and absolutely loved this episode! I had no idea the level of violence that took place in that theater of war.
Thanks for joining!
@@ThreadsfromtheNationalTapestryyou're welcome ! Studied North Carolina history at NCSU under Dr. Jerry Cashion. His way of talking about the Civil War gave me a great interest in the time period. You are a great story teller and really bring it to life!
Excellent, fascinating video and commentary. Thank you!
Born in Kansas City I grew up in Iola,KS (next county seat west of Ft Scott). Partied in Lawrence in the late '80s. Lived in Nevada,MO from 1998-2014. Now in Springfield,MO. I find this part of American history extremely fascinating for obvious reasons. Also "The Outlaw Josie Wells" is on my all time favorite movie list. Thanks for the video as I was able to glean a few more facts that I wasn't already aware of.
Who didn't party in Lawrence?
I live in Harrisonville and spent time in Nevada, MO. Your story telling is not just popcorn worthy but 100% accurate. Subscribed!
I got the gold right here Pa.
Reckon so
So eye can count the hairs on that hand
The Yellow Rose of Alabama
Don't pay him no mind.
Kid ain't right.
Pull emual!
Pull!
"BEYOU ELLLUUHHH!!"
Growing up in osawatomie I've heard a lot of the stories but hearing the Missouri side was something I hadn't heard to much of as a kid.
Grew up in Grain Valley in the 90’s, mom from Washburn. Family fought for the north. Great story telling.
Love to see a video on Perryville , love the show and appreciate all you do
I love this channel. You're an excellent teacher.
Great video I love hearing the history of my home state. I’m curious if you would ever make videos like this about the revolutionary war?
Thank you for another great story.
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!!
This is a story that needs told. A really good book is "Caught between Three Fires" by Tom Rafiner. It covers Cass County Missouri during the war
All of these are great. If the economy were better I would join but I do enjoy the content very much, you deserve me to join
Great vid man..
Outstanding 👍
The atrocities of General Order 11 are memorialized in the Missouri Supreme Court building.
For years, marriages in Missouri were not legally recognized if performed in a "southern" church. Retaliation continued for a generation.
Treason has a price.
Michael Feldman authored the book “ Inside War: the Guerrilla Conflict in Missouri during the American Civil War”. Nonfiction, highly researched. God-awful bloody murder, arson, and near genocidal guerrilla warfare that devastated Missouri. Great battles between armies in the Eastern States, but it was neighbor versus neighbor, town versus town during that terrible time. A must read for CW historians AND anyone contemplating CW these days!
Michael Fellman author.
How is it that juden writes a book about christians
When "survival lying" was a reality.
The small community i live in now has some of this history. The Kansas raiders burnt two plantation hoises, the slaves would not leave with them. They raiders then hearded all the slaves into the houses and burned the alive. So much fot the Kansas concerned about slaves. The little museum in the town of Leeton, Missouri has all the records and artifacts concerning those families. THE land i live original homestead was Micheal Runner, the Kansas raiders rode up his lane and shot him and a crippled son.
Sounds like some tall tales told back in the day by some Missouri bushwackers to me!
Just kidding. I believe it.
It was brutal & on both sides.
It was so bad, the looting & lawlessness attracted unsavory types who would raid both sides.
All 4 of my grandparents grew up on remote farms in the Ozarks of central Missouri, south of the Missouri River. My mom’s ancestors were the first Germanic (no “Germany” until after the US Civil War) settlers of the town and region around Hermann, MO. They settled there in the 1840’s. My grandmother’s grandmother was young during the Civil War and remembered their farm being raided by both sides and not caring for either of them.
Hermann is still considered "Yankee" by those of us in the south end of the county because they were Northern sympathizers...still much distrust between the Northern and Southern towns in Gasconade County!
Thanks!
Good old John Brown, The lunatic that made up the opposite side of the William Quantrill coin.
John Brown, he was overzealous...he is my great-great uncle, mom never claimed as she was a southern lady, but we had to pull info. I've been to harpers ferry and to osawatomie where the raid was planned. I do not condone his actions, but as an adult I have tried to understand him by going to these historical places.
@@sondrasmith-rr4mw As a purveyor of local history, I appreciate you not taking a staunch "he was a savior" type of view. I struggle to feel any support for him, but the cause around him was just. Much like many other larger than life figures in the border states at the time. He is a deeply flawed character. One that I believe history has smiled a little too fondly on. I have sat on the fence line of the hill bearing his name a wondered what I would have done in his time though.
i wouldn't call 2 crazy terrorists opposites...
Yup I love just a half mile from the old wire road and about 2 miles from Camp Bliss a Southern incompetent . They and the Union fought up at the Battle Field close to Springfield Mo. and where I live the battle of Madry . I heard a lot of stories .
I live in NE Kansas and this period is definitely something that is still a touchy issue. I’ve seen a lot of bumper stickers and social media garbage reveling in the burning of Lawrence. I have many family in central Missouri and they used to constantly make jokes about burning Lawrence down because of a basketball game. Looking through the comments here and seeing it first hand, it seems people either don’t care about what happened, or, want it to happen again. They think that either John Brown or William Quantrill was the hero but there were no heroes. They were all the villains. The best you can do educate yourself, cause the bumper slogan people sure as hell ain’t.
Yep , I'm in St . Louis and I got NO Quarter , NO Dimes or Nickle , I'm Broke :( QC
I grew up in Wichita, educated 57-70, with a break 65-68 where I went to school in the Shawnee-Mission school system.
John Brown was presented as a crazy guy, trying to do the right thing, to S-M was more, he was a passionate, devout man, trying to do the right thing!
Go figure!
Suposedly There's evidence that shows he could be "unstable" at least some times
Yeah, John appears to have been rather psychopathic. But he chose the right side in his psychopathy!
I loved the episode but wished there would have been some talk about what happened in Columbia Missouri where the university of Missouri mentioned in the episode is. I went there for undergrad and the bitter feelings do live on in sports. KU was always enemy #1. The Columbia tigers were a complex group. The nearby women's college of Steven's university served as a hospital for soldiers and is still haunted to this day. Love the Civil War series!
Definitely just the mention of the "Jayhawks" will make the old timers bristle. I knew a 100 year old that uncle lived to 100 who fought in the war and had MANY stories she got FIRST hand. This story is about right from what little she would tell. It was "savage" on both sides.
Great presentation, enjoyable and informative. For those wanting a good read I recommend 'Civil War on the Missouri-Kansas Border' by Donald Gilmore. Sidebar - some of the Missouri soldiers are still regarded as heroes; Clements, James, Quantrill, Thrailkill, Anderson.
You overlooked the fact that Missouri citizens would vote in Kansas elections. When it was enforced that you had to own land to vote. Men from Missouri would buy an acre of land then subdivide it between 20 or more men. Also, unless I missed it you didn't cover the attack on Lawrence. Part of the whole reason KU takes games so seriously. Then Mizzou went to the SEC. My family didn't arrive to Kansas until the last 1890s. But ask a Texan, I'm a Yankee. No, my family was too busy trying not to die in Germany and Russia.
Welcome to America's heartland
for a good read about Kansans civil war atrocities into Missouri, read Patrick Brophy's excellent book about Nevada, MO and Fort Scott redlegs.
I'm a cowboy from Colorado. Born many years after this mess. Retired Army and God bless.
Most of the men that committed those atrocities were raised in loving homes, with Christian values.
Imagine how quickly a civil war would devolve to depravity in todays world, with many raised like animals, no shame, no honor, no respect for human life, even their own.
Terrifying.
You raise a grim matter, and your conclusion is hard to argue with.
Was there a civil war battle in the town of louisiana missouri
Free soilers also came from some Southern states, believe it or not all Southerns were pro-slavery
You didn't mention Baxter Springs.. I may have missed it. Cowskin Prairie
"The Missouri compromise" WAS and IS, WELL known.
To a few. Most high school and college students are hard pressed to find Missouri on a map. Born in the bootheel, so I get it.
@@marksmess136 :-)
What Gold!
I went to lawrence kansas i had chills
In the aftermath of the Civil War in Missouri, Missouri Resident/Union Soldiers were hunted down and assassinated by former Confederate Missouri soldiers, throughout the state of Missouri, from 1865 -1870.
In effect,the war continued....
East video... History is fascinating
Growing up in missouri and being a big sports fan I know I hate all things Kansas and I definitely think it stretches back to the 1850s through the civil war and while I think both sides in the border war are evil I will always back my home state also I grew up hearing about the raid on Danville I grew up close to it and I was told that before they attacked bloody bill who knew a girl in the all girls school there told them to put there blankets out on the windows and that would signal the attackers not to burn the school down and the building still stands today because of that
Heard the same thing about Bloody Bill, I think read it somewhere.
Should have mentioned the Battle of hemp Bales in Lexington Missouri
I wish you would also talk about the fact that the war wasn't just about slavery but Is state's rights
There are still people in E. Oklahoma and N. Arkansas still talk about "Jayhawkers" and "bushwhackers" - a term both sides blamed on the other. Add to that the Cherokee tribe were in a long inter-tribal war and took sides accordingly.
Protect your family Men and Ladies need to know and Carry. We know What is crossing the Boarder's. 1 2 and 4 Amendment 🇺🇸.
His story, whos story?
When I hear stories like these I always wonder in times like these why allow someone to make you an “easy victim” even in current events… if someone is going to take your life atleast make them work for it. Don’t just follow them out to let them put a bullet in your forehead. I understand I wasn’t there and I’m sure they were petrified at what was happening but in the end go down fighting… not on your knees waiting. Ironically i live in Missouri I have my whole life.
You left out many important facts- Clairborne Jackson was ousted as Governor due to a coup by Northern sympathizers, then they took control over the St. Louis Police force and wouldn't give up control until after a lot of legal fighting in the 2000s... You also know the Civil War was about states rights and not slavery right? You know Missouri did not have to free it's slaves until December after the Civil War ended since it was still "Northern" and like Northern slave owners, got to wait until the 14th Amendment was passed.
States rights....to do what?
@@LatverianBuffoon for the states to have the right to sell to other countries. The Civil War started as a direct result of the North blockading the Southern ports. The South wanted to sell their cotton to Brazil and France for a fair price as the Northern mills were only offering pennies on the dollar for the cotton-they were trying to screw the South!
You failed to mention in the Dayton raid the literal execution of three men. One of those men was my third great grandfather Benjamin Simpson a father in his early fifties. I am a direct descendant as my last name is not Moberly but Simpson.
Interesting episode. Too bad your research did not include what the real name of the last book of the Bible is -- REVELATION.
Kansas was the most dangerous place on the planet
we’re not in Kansas anymore
It could happen again.
Yes, those who don't learn from history are...
Josey Wales Never surrendered.! He created the Missouri Boat Ride.! 🤔
Long live Wm. Clark Quantrill!
Missouri did succeed, on Oct 31 1861 after refusing Lincolns request to send 5000 state militia. Governor Claybourne Fox Jackson and the Missouri stated legistlature fled to Arkansas and set up government in exile. President Lincoln replace the state government.
The USA Constitution said 3/4 (75%) of the states needed for any Amendment (Change) of the Constitution. So I understood why the abolutionist William Lloyd Garrison burned the Constitution on the street of Boston. Regular polititian as the leaders of the Republican party or Lincoln could not say anything about abolishing the slavery system in the USA. (I do not understand why the not lost cause historians avoid this.) Only possibilty was one after one states alone would have abolished the slavery system. New York, New Jersey, New England had made this earlier. For example Delaware had 1.6% slave population so Dalaware could have decide on the abolution alone about 1870 but the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT or THE CONGRESS could not have abolished slavery system in the whole USA, because USA consisted of 15 slavery system states and 17 free states in 1855 at the begining of the Kansas Precivil War time. This was 53.2% instead of the 75%. The Southern states wanted the eternal slavery system forever, so the South wanted NEWER SLAVERY SYSTEM STATES, because one and next low % slavery populated would abolish the slavery system to remain enogh slavery system states to avoid the 75% free states possibility.
BTW the fireating proslavery southerners were dreaming about a slavery system empire round the Gulf of Mexico (Knight of the Golden Circle)! Increasing of the free states number instilled fear in the southerners the slavery system would been abolished in the XXth Century!
In January of 1865 the Congress could say the 11 Confederate states had done rebellion against the USA so the 11 Confederate states had lost their right to veto. From the 5 Border states West Virginia started step by step abolution in its constitution in 1863. So the 84% free states were in January of 1865. The history works very strange way, the Kansas Precivil war, JOHN BROWN raid, Lincoln's election victory and about 750 000 dead needed to abolish the slavery system.
Yeah, guess you can understand why US federal troops burned alive 100's of blacks in the NYC draft riots as well. Burned out, 1000's, yes? And guess you can understand why Lincoln could've freed any slave in the north but, elected not to do so, yes?
Guess you just gotta hang your hat on some lost cause regurgitated bs 'cause that's all you really have...that, and your perpetual emotional response, of course.
Your heroes; homicidal, genocidal avowed racist. Nothing to see here crusader,...move along.
I can't help but think of John Brown as the abortion clinic bomber of his day. He couldn't wait for the law to mirror his religious beliefs, so he took matters in to his own hands.
How long has it been since there was such a bombing? And as far as I know, Joseph Paul Franklin, a psychopath, is the only person who ever killed anyone in a clinic bombing.
Excellent analogy.
It's hard to say what side John Brown would land on nowadays, but he was considered a progressive extremist in his own time.
@@whistlingsage9817 He was a religious zealot. We know exactly where he'd land in this day and age. He'd be labeled a right wing extremist.
Well, when abortion isn't murder, but killing a pregnant woman is charged as (2), seems we got isht to fix again. After the smoke clears I can guarantee there will be less than half as many double standards.
Missoura had southern sympathy. Couldn't grow cotton, they hated the abolishinist and then came the Union Carpetbaggers. Kansas freestaters
Nací en Missouri. Y ahora que me he mudado a mi propio apartamento( Tengo 27 {el cumpleaños es mañana}) y encontré mi propia familia (7 niños, 2 niños y 5 niñas) . Les contaba a mis hijos mis cuentos como cuentos antes de dormir. ¡Se durmieron muy rápido pero les encantan mis historias! Tanto les gustó este vídeo. ¡Les encantó tanto que lo convertimos en una conversación para la cena! JAJAJAJ!
¡MAMI! ¡QUIERO VER EL VIDEO! ¡Ups, lo siento! ¡Dejé el micrófono encendido para poder trabajar y comentar al mismo tiempo! De todos modos, ¡tengo que terminar mi trabajo para poder ayudar a Jerry a cuidar a los niños!
¡Gracias de nuevo! ¡No creo que pueda agradecerte lo suficiente!
In a world on negatively and as we head sadly to another civil war it is eye opening to just how evil we as Americans can be….
1. The Kansas Precivil War brought a lot of hate between the Little Dixie (Missoury proslavery area) and the Kansan. I think the Marais des Cygnes massacre was an important step for the Jayhawkers (I think stupid) raids in the Little Dixie! Marais des Cygnes massacre (on May 19, 1858) was the MOST STUPID STEP in the Kansas Precivil War, because the free Kansas movement won only the veto of the Southern senators obstructed Kansas to be 34th (free) state. Marais des Cygnes massacre was total pointles action on the winner Kansas majority. Against John Brown action (Pottawatomie massacre on 24-25 1856) which was the turning pont in the Kansas Precivil War, because the peacfull Kansas settlers changed fighter mitiamen as the Jayhawkers. Between 1856 and 1858 I think Kansas won so the Marais des Cygnes massacre in 1858 became the igniter
2. Missouri got not only German immigrants, but other European and not slave holding states American stettlers as well between 1850 and 1861 so it became prounionist majority for the Civil War. St Louise became big city and this big city voted Lincoln in 1860 with an other county. The Ozark region and the Iowa border strip beside the St Louis area were the main prounionist areas. The Iowa border strip soldiers the 44th Missouri infantry regiment played key role in the Battle of Franklin in 1864. The Little Dixie area in Missouri state and around the Missouri river was the main slave holding area and the Border War.
3. As the Marais des Cygnes massacre showed the Deep South could not adapt to stop of the spreading of slavery system and they wanted the Seccession instead of cohabit.
I am sorry: The Little Dixie area in Missouri state and around the Missouri river was the main slave holding area and the Border War was around this area in Missouri and Kansas.
@@avenaoat Yes the counties that bordered the Missouri river across the breadth of the state were known as Little Dixie.
Rock chalk Jayhawk
Bully john brown fans
Other than sports rivals it's over. I live in Johnson Missouri which I consider superior to Johnson County Kansas!
The state of kansas is the joke of the lower forty eight states, and always will. kansas has been the butt of jokes from the days of Barney Miller, the Governor of New York, and the stand up comedian, Ron White. With no accomplishments of their own, kansas continues to encroach into Kansas City, Missouri to gain relevance. The kansas minor league baseball team changed their name from the T-Bones to the old Kansas City, Missouri Monarchs of the former Negro Leagues. johnson & wyanodtte counties in kansas got UMKC to drop the UM from their athletic uniforms, and now, kansas is attempting to lure the Kansas City Chiefs to move from Jackson County, Missouri to the Legend Landfill in WEST kansas city, kansas.
Interesting take albeit patently partisan & hopelessly lost among the Lost Caustics & rabble fantasists.
Some details quite credible & deep among all the other omissions & distortions. I had to give it a thumbs-up for its production values and its structure.... not for its honesty.
"Lost Caustics" ?
You freaks never stop. How are you not embarrassed enough by now? Get some new material or just quit already.
Partisan? There is no "lost cause" narrative outside of the southern states leaving the union. An unlawful killing of a person was murder, both in the north and the south. The killing of someone just because they support something that is legal at the time falls into the category of murder.
I'm supposing that you'd consider John Brown's attack on Harper's Ferry as anti southern states/ pro union even though it was an attack on the federal government. The same kind of attack that the Confederacy made on Ft. Sumter by southerners. If it were pro union, Brown would have had a much different fate after the attack.
I don't see this as much of an accounting of history as The Missouri side was worse than the Kansas side. Lots of detail on Missouri atrocities little detail on Kansas atrocities. The death of my third great grandfather at Dayton left a middle aged wife and a large family. Who then suffered the indignity of being forced from their home as a result of General Order #11. You need to give an equal description of atrocities if this is going to be historical.
Not sure what you listened to but I got the impression both sides were equally brutal. Very interesting pod cast. Had no idea this happened.
John brown sounds like a sociopathic serial killer
Was, is and always will be.
Yes he was a sociopathic extreamist. And yes a serial killer. But some hold him up as some kind of a hero. Reality is...he was not.
Actually William Sherman was closer to a psychopath than John Brown by quite a bit.
@ocean88eagle9 He was, certified. Killed plenty of Native Americans as well; women, children, whole nine yards.
@@ocean88eagle9I disagree. He did not look forward to the beginning of the war. He knew that “war was hell.” He knew that for as long as the Confederacy felt that they had even a sliver of hope, they would continue to fight for what he saw as a hopeless cause. He knew that as long as fighting continued, people would die. So he slashed an burned his way through Georgia to take away all hope. His tactic was successful, ugly as it was.
Seems to have a definite pro-Confederate, pro-Missouri bias. Like it or not, Kansas WAS the good guys in this fight. Missouri fought to defend slavery, even though cooler heads prevailed and they were unable to join the Confederacy.
No they weren't. But your first part is right.
Killing others is wrong. Regardless of why you think you're doing it. Kansans were more brutal in some ways...
Interesting but definitely biased for the southern side.
A war of no consequence to anybody in the civilised world.
What is this confederate propaganda
Great storytelling. The atrocities committed there echo those of the Thirty Years' War in Europe. Nothing like that occurred on the Pennsylvania-Virginia border.
We used to squabble with jersey. Back in the day. My mom would ask us how many Jerseyans yea get ? She wouldn’t let us come in till we got ten or better.
My grandmother invented the bath tub. 🧼