Game of Thrones didn't show you this | Demon Monkey of Essos | The Real Tyrion Lannister
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2020
- Game of Thrones left a lot of people shocked, STILL! A Song of Ice and Fire is the book series that Game of Thrones is based on. In Game of Thrones Season 8 beloved characters didn't match their book counterparts. Some were unrecognizable. Tyrion Lannister was one of them. In the books Tyrion is not the same guy that we see on the show. In Season 5 the show doesn't adapt Dark Tyrion. He's the same guy he's always been but in the books he's a monster. His journey thru Essos he embraces the Demon Monkey! The Real Tyrion Lannister is Dark, The Real Tyrion Lannister is Evil, The Real Tyrion Lannister didn't show up in Game of Thrones. Ever. In this video I will go over Tyrion's decent into darkness. The Tyrion in Game of Thrones is not the Tyrion you will see in The Winds of Winter! Thanks for Watching!
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Tyrion was 1 of the people who plotted 2 put it in Jon's mind that Dany would kill.hin, Arya said it 2. She loved more than anyone.
That dude is awesome!
Gray didn't Arya kill her friend who ran from the black watch is she evil to ?
Hope you read comments and let me know if I got it wrong been years sence i read the books
Gray thank you thank you! You're the BOMB. This video is hot wildfire!
Well he did change a little in the show, he started as a genius and ended as an idiot.
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yep! 😂
ptsd can do that.
I hate it when the movie/show adaptation decides to dumb down a certain character to push another character to the pedestal
for the books, George said that Jon would be darker and ruthless, not too near Tywin level evolution. In the show, they approached him with someone who is disillusioned with everything and does not want anything at all. Tyrion in the books and show are the same as Tyrion feels neglected and does not want to do anything. The men were broken beyond hope and filled with despair so that the women of the series may take over. Perhaps in the books we can see balance and gender equality
The worst part is Peter Dinklage slowly morphing into a villain would have been so awesome to see. Remember his season 4 speech during his trial?
And it would make sense. In the beginning, we are led to believe the Starks are all good and the Lannisters are bad, except for Tyrion. Now, we see more bad guys like Jaime and Sandor go from being bad/cruel to redeemable characters, it would make sense to have some of the good characters be corrupted by evil like Tyrion, and some of the Starks become bad like Sansa, and maybe even Bran.
@@spirittammyk or Arya considering how blood thirsty she already is
If only the show hadn't screwed up the writing
@@GoldenRose116 I mean she is a member of a death cult. Can it get worse lol
@@spirittammyk it would be interesting
I just can't get over how they turned Tyrion into a morally self righteous idiot in the end, with emphasis on the idiot part. He screwed Dany over so badly as her hand that I remember when people were theorizing that he was doing it on purpose lol. But no, he was just turned into an idiot.
You can thank D&D for that
Yeah, D&D turned Tyrion into one of the dumbest people in the whole show. They did a great injustice to a very deep and complex character.
It will be much better in the books. Tyrion will know exactly what he's doing while he is giving Dany bad advice. Just enough bad advice.
Unoculus I thought it was on purpose because I couldn't believe he was that incompetent. They made every male character idiotic and incompetent. He will screw her over in the books though, given Tommen and Myrcella are potential threats to her reign. However, he will be purposeful and Machiavellian about it.
Lisa Walker Book Daenerys doesn't seem as dumb though. Especially, with the number of times she has been betrayed. Curious how book Tyrion will pull it off without it turning into a complete catastrophe.
“Never forget what you are, the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor and it can never be used to hurt you.” Best quote ever in the history of history. IMO 🐉🔥🧃🧃🧃🧃🧃
Absolutely agree. I quote it all the time.
Marla Mathews ❤️ 🦁
Close but the best quote came directly after that quote. It fully shows Tyrion's mentality about the world and his place in it and its, "all dwarves are bastards in their fathers eyes."
That is what I do. I drink and I know things 🥂
Wassoll Das wasn’t Jojen who said that?
Dinklage's performance during his trial shows just how amazing he'd have been as a dark Tyrion. Instead we got Saint Tyrion... What a waste
A stupid Tyrion as well. Rip varys and all the innocent ppl that died when dany went crazy
Villain or no, Tyrion is still one of the most compelling characters in the books.
That's not even up for debate.
He's not a villain, he's an anti-hero at worst and that's still a stretch. He's just not as ethical in the books compared to show.
For real
How is he compelling when he changes from a good character to a vile creature. And saying up that character is very fleshed but that's every one in ASOIF. He is just disgusting. Being a dwarf doesn't make u a monster. He did that to himself.
I think no matter what you were in start of books but if you become a rapist at any momment at any event of life. You just become UNCOMPELLING and disgusting.
I think that Tyrion's dark turn would have made a much more interesting show. However I think it was far too complex for D+D. They became obsessed with dragons and CGI and completely abandoned actual story telling.
D&D just don't like morally grey characters. That's why they whitewashed Tyrion and Tywin (why else would they leave out the fact that Tywin ordered the gangrape of a young girl for the crime of loving his son?), and that's why they twisted Dany into a evil, power hungry villain when she was always one of the most compassionate characters in the story. Nuance is lost on idiots.
@@Silburific I kind of agree, but daenarys descent into being the mad queen has been set up perfectly but it should of been made to be longer but they had to squeeze everything into season 8's 6 episodes.
dany becoming the evil queen was foreshadowed, mentioned and made the whole time and is also the most GoT things to do (GoT is all about irony so dany becoming what she has always tried not to be is perfect)
@@Silburific they didnt leave out that fact,tyrion says to bronn and shae that tywin ordered tysha to be gang raped and forced tyrion to the last
@@alphagamer9505 It's mentioned, not included. It's brought up once, in a once-off gag, and has no impact on his character or the story. Jaime never tells him the truth, destroying their relationship and convincing Tyrion to destroy his family. It's not brought up with Tywin- remember; Tyrion killed him because he called _Tysha_ a whore in the books, not Shae. "Where do whores go" is completely left out of the show, the entire reason he wants to go to Essos. A single reference of a huge event does not inclusion make. That's like saying they didn't leave out the Aegon plot because the Golden Company shows up and there's a character named Aegon...
They were afraid to shock the fans
Yes girl!! The omission of the Tysha confession was one of the largest book moments left out of the show. There is no reason this should not have been added, it’s not like it would have cost a lot like many other omissions. This is a large part of his character motivation and one of the seemingly small moments that actually mean a lot. All of these little moments add up and a large reason they couldn’t put their story back on GRRM’s tracks in the end. They wanted to keep our fan favorites likeable and this is just not the gray area that George so eloquently created!
I think they did that to make Jaime more of a hero. That was right near the beginning of his (incredibly poorly done in the show) redemption arc, and him confessing that he always knew that Tysha was just some random innocent girl would have pushed that back so they didn't do it.
Yeah, that’s a pretty big omission
It wasn't omitted, Jaimie confessed
@@Giondi, idk, they already made him a kinslayer, he wasn't in books.
Tysha cofession seems to be omited, mostly, to make Tywin look more sympathetic. Man, who ordered a gang rape of an inocent girl just to punish his hated 13 year old son, which later resulted in that said son's messed up view about women, would quickly loose any sympathy of an average show watcher.
@@Giondi lol and then they just threw away his whole redemption arc so, so much for that
I really want there to be the revelation that Tyrion is the only Lannister. So he's been fighting his whole life to prove that he's worthy when he's been the only one the whole time.
BIG SAME!
You mean like Jamie and Cersei being Targaryen bastards?
Jaime and Cersei are dragon seeds, this was pretty much confirmed in the books. Aerys gifted the Lannister family their weight in gold, the traditional Targaryen gift for their bastard children.
@@sleekoduck Didn't know that; great catch!
Sleekoduck I knew it was speculation, but Not actually confirmed. Not yet at least. Though it would be ironic that even Tyson’s pride is a lie. His twins, and his grandchildren. Bastards the lot of them lol
That can explain why in the book quaithe said to Daenerys “Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal".
Wow... Just wow....
Pale mare - idk, maybe Dany's horse
Kraken - Euron Greyjoy
Dark flame - wildfire or a Blackfyre
Lion - Lannister
Griffin - Griff and Young Griff maybe
The sun's son - Quentin Martell
@@x87x83 The pale mare is the plague, the kraken is Victarion, the dark flame is Moqorro, the griffin is Jon Connington and the mummer's dragon is Aegon.
@@TheWatcher802 the perfumed seneschal is Tyrion
@@aravinds3846 I don't think so.
I don't remember Tyrion ever being mentioned to use perfume and he's not quite a seneschal. Besides Quaithe already mentions him as the Lion.
For me it's either Varys or Reznak. Eventually Illyrio.
Tony Telfon agrees with you, Tyrion is darker in the books for sure, trying to pit Aegon and Dany against each other
I agree that Tyrion is a villain, but was he trying to pit them against each other? What he was saying made Aegon want to establish himself as a power in his own right so he and Dany would meet as equals when they met in Westeros. Tyrion's own plan was probably to get a quick war started so he could get revenge on Cersei and Jaime as soon as possible.
Awwww so this explains why he keeps giving Dany bad advice in season 8..
I love how life-changing and haunting and scarring that conversation Tyrion had with Jaime was for the both of them. "Where do whores go" and "probably Moon Boy for all I know" both came from that conversation.
And the thrum of a cross bow
The Tysha omission from the show; worst idea ever. That entire plot line was destroyed on the show. Merely because they decided it wasn’t important! Ahhh come the hell on!
Pretty sure they told us they removed the Tysha reveal because they didn’t think any show watchers would remember a 1 off conversation. Then it was said they removed it because D&D said it wasn’t needed. Shae could be used as the same fuel for the scene because it ends the same. *They literally said it was unimportant because either way the scene was ending as it should have.*
I agree. Unlike the show, he will probably be the one pushing Dany to burn kingslanding.
The painful irony of it all is that Tywin takes that horrific action on Tysha because she isn't good enough for the Lannisters.
Yes and no. As a peasant, she was most certainly not a fitting match for a noble. The other thing, is that the children of a great lord are both assets and pieces of a chess board. Noble children can be married off to other families as part of forming alliances. Tyrion had sullied his and his family's reputation by his actions. He had also prevented his use by Tywin in the marriage alliance game. Tywin could always have murdered Tyrion's wife.
Tywin shows what a monster he truly is by his unnecessary cruelty in places where there was no need. Nobody except him, Tyrion, Tysha and the drunk septon knew about the marriage, he could have had it annuled and kept it secret, he could have given Tysha to the Faith, all honorable options. It wasn't the first time a nobleman's son wed a commoner, look at prince Duncan Targaryen and Jenny of Oldstones, Egg only made his son give up his title and kept them around, although this caused a Baratheon revolt. I understand Tywin's harshness with the Reynes and Castameres, they were enemies, but to be so cruel to your own children is pathological. And for Tyrion's value as a marriage candidate for making alliances, Tywin admits in the book that EVERY noble house in Westeros refused such a match and considered it an insult, even though they were scared of Tywin and some of their daughters were ugly, poor or had had bastards. Even Brienne had had more willing suitors, although she was not as rich as the Lannisters, because she wasn't deformed, she was just too tall and too strong for a medieval woman.
@@lalywindland5764 you are kinda missing that it isn't just because she wasn't worthy of tyrion. It is mainly because of lord tytos (tywin's father) relationship with his mistress, who is considered by at least tywin and kevan as a small step above a whore, who took to their mothers jewels, and would do nothing but abuse tytos because of his weak need to get validation through affection. Tywin identifyes this in Tyrion, and would teach him the lesson of that women of that stature will only love you to get something for you, and it can mean your undoing.
@@lalywindland5764 What ww12tt said. Also additionally Tywin‘s cruelty for Tyrion stems from Tywim him blaming Tyrion for Lyanna‘s death, the woman he loved.
@@ww12tt bruv. Job well done [+]
Why didn't the SHOW show this side of Tyrion...bc #Emmys
Dinklage was their winning horse damn near every year, they needed him to remain in popular favor with "general viewers". They'd never take the risk.
Showing Tyrion's full character would've been MASTERFULLY DONE by Dinklage...but no, not at the hands (or nonsensical script writing) of D&D.
I don't think it was Emmy's as much as fear of viewer count going down. TV shows work like this. They see the way people react to characters and try to play to their strengths. It's why so often in sitcoms you see characters are extreme versions of themselves by the end. People loved Jon and Tyrion and so they made them as likeable as popular. Never showing Tyrions villainous side and never showing Jons darker moments. They turned Tyrion into a voice for the good, and turned Jon into your average action hero.
Sounds like Tyrion plays the Game of Thrones better in the books ...
Jason Pelletier oh, the books are worth reading.
@@keturahspencer oh I am now . But I have to say with great content from creators like Gray Area and In Deep Geek , I fell like I almost don't have to read them at this point ;)
Jason Pelletier there's so much to them that they are still worth reading, and this particular vidéo is horrible ? Tyrion does have a dark side yes, but she's manipulating the context here to "prove a point."
The GOT show runners David and Dan ran out of book material and didn’t know how to handle the characters. So they changed them to make them more traditional “good guys” and “bad guys”. They wanted the audience to like Tyrion so they took away his worst behavior.
I agree, except they didn't run out of book material, they flat out ignored it. There was so much from the books that they just skipped over they rushed when there was plenty of material they could have done.
@@robinwiggins5848 THISS
Regular audiences which HBO caters to would never be able to accept this kind of dark downward spiral, including rapes and what have you. Which is why I actually applaud D and D for being able to wrap up the show well enough for these average mouth breathers to even comprehend. Yet the lemmings missed most of the themes anyway and blame the writers for their own stupidity.
Friendly
I can’t “comprehend” how stupid the show became or how poorly done the themes were. Even for average mouth breathers.
@agnat86 you are an idiot.
There's not way Tyrion ends as hand of the King... NO WAY
@laura marrero fabian YOu watch[or read, or listen] !! G.R.R will end it the same way.
@@Timbo6669 That's false... he just said that Bran will be king
@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 i hope you are right.
@@Timbo6669 His words literaly were: "yes and no, and yes and no..." and recently he said that we know an end but not THE end of his story.
The Richard III of Westeros.
I hope he'll get a happy ending but it doesn't seem likely.
TYRION IS ACTUALLY A VILLAIN
Thank you thank you.
GRRM said Tyrion is his favorite and I quote: “he’s the villain of course, but hey, there’s nothing like a good villain!”
Even though I know he's meant to be evil and I see his progression downward, I still love Tyrion.
You could say that Tyrion became *an ill-made, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning.*
he reaches for his father's voice and he finds it... that is such good writting
If I was treated like him my whole life, I guess I would also turn into a villain
Same
Yeah all that scorn and gold and privledge and mockery and power and distain really are just too much to bear
He’s justifiable, but still a villainous character it’s a sliding scale.
see. we all start to feel entitled. like Daenerys
@@ascend3654 Like Tyrion, you mean.
*The true Demons of people that are clever are always faced with morality of the power to manipulate others.*
This character makes much more sense and far more in-depth then the TV version
Watch people make excuses for Tyrion, but not give Daenerys an inch.
TV show Dany? Fuck that writing
Jorge Hernandez she committed genocide. Like bruh😂
@@shadow50HD that's THE show... so NOT canon.
i know this horse is beaten to pieces by now but Daenerys was crazy from the jump. They just painted her in the good guy light and dumb fans didnt notice.
@@enhanced6892 receipts please
they didn’t put it in the show because he was a “fan favorite” and didn’t want to lose viewership.
Fuck em.
That thing that bothers me the most is D&D only cared about appealing to causal viewers (the ones who never read ASOIAF) and not sticking faithful to the source material. But hey thanks to Season 8, the causal viewers are now picking up the books and started reading them because they wanted a better ending.
@@alexandraolvera5903 at this point, I hardly think GRRM will give us an ending
@@sukanyaparashar9474 Am putting my full faith on the old gods that George is going to complete the series. I think when the show came out, it push him back on his work. I think the Winds of Winter will finally come out next year and A Dream of Spring in 2025 or 2026. If George dies before completing it, he’s has other writers and editors that works with him that will release the full story in his honor & will.
Since D&D allegedly know the end of asoiaf my guess is that George told them something very vague like "kings landing will be on fire in the end" or "tyrion will be the downfall of Daenerys" and they just interpreted it how they wanted to. Probably in the books Tyrion will be purposefully giving Daenerys bad advice not bc he doesnt want her to win but because he cares more about hurting cersei and the people of kings landing and creating chaos
So we know that Cersi will most probably lose the throne to FAegon and I think that Tyrion will tell Dany to burn FAegon to prove that he isn't a targaryen by following the fire can not kill a dragon strope
Or.... George will change things to distance himself from the show, resulting in it taking a much longer time to write the last two books.
A dark spiral into depression and madness... Thats how I felt Tyrion's journey through Essos was, although I feel it was a lot more complicated. He is still second guessing himself, there is still good in him, it's just that it is clouded with hate.
His, is a sad tale, I do hope there is some light for him soon.
D&D couldn't possibly be able to write a complex character like Tyrion without George's help.
The Tyrion killing Shae in the book scene was so difficult to read. I was shook as hell because all I knew was show Tyrion up until that point. I didn't like him one bit after that.
GRRM has said Shae was a "camp follower whore" who didn't give a shit about Tyrion.
@@mjhilps And? She was just trying to make her way up in the world with the cards that she was dealt in life ... meanwhile Tyrion murdered her because he hated that the woman he was literally paying didn't love him and was in bed with his father.... it's not like she really had a choice.
@@MandeepKaur-pk5tq i guess you forgot the part there she was responsible for accusing tyrion of murdering joffrey?
@@YouAreUnimportant She had no choice bro. Cersei would have killed her. Shae is the victim dont let the show fool you
GRRM has even called Tyrion a villian
He was not the same person who debuted in season 1 to his finale in season 8. He went from a cunning, quick witted, mastermind, to a severely crippled, idiotic, shell of his former glory. All of the brains and genius that made him a formidable character to deal with was completely gone by the 5th season. And of course you are correct about the book Tyrion, he truly went full blow dark, and if Daenerys does follow suit to her tv character, her and Tyrion will be a perfect match for each other
3:10 male voice scared me and I jumped! 👏👏
Shannon T He is sooooooo good!!!
He chews the scenery like show Euron. 😂
This was my goal - to scare you, personally! Glad I succeeded!
I wouldn’t call him a villain. I would call him complicated, broken, searching and even dark. But I don’t think he is a true villain. He isn’t necessarily proud of what he is becoming. His own regret at himself makes him not quiet a villain to me
Rebecca Riel I think he is on the path to becoming a villain. We just have to see what he is willing to do for revenge.
Elite Jawa totally possible, but I think he will come full circle and recover his humanity. It’s always there, under the surface. He fights to tamp it down and become the monster. But I really think his endgame with be to come full circle. He needs hope. I think he will find it in Dany. I also expect, like in the show, he will eventually have to make a choice between humanity and Dany.
I think we would be surprised to find out that he is the actual hero ( an anti hero trope) and that Martin saying he is a "Good villain " is tantamount to being an anti hero. He is the one who is going to bring Dany down via Jon. His reason will be the small folk. It doesn't make sense for Tyrion to be the villain when the two threats are the NK and Dany. It also doesn't make sense that you would turn your favorite character dark in the middle of the story, giving him plenty of time to turn around. Watch out for the Winds of Winter. We all will see who is which
It seems more like now he became the worst version of himself and now he will have to crawl out of this dark place he is in now. And we see that there is still some good in him.
@@AzraelSoulHunter precisely what I see in Tyrion's trajectory. It's the darkest turn emotionally and mentally in the middle of the story and yet there's penny giving him the happy humble dwarf trope. He is going to crawl out if it and be the anti hero not the villain
Season 7 and 8 Tyrion is unrecognizable and not even believable, made no sense at all.
They totally changed Shae from the books too. He gives her a big house, jewels, silks, guards, etc. On show she tells him "fuck your money". She's completely opposite in books.
I think it was primarily because of how well Tyrion's character was received as well as a lot of the characters just started not feeling like good people, they really wanted to keep his relationship with Jaime strong but that came at the cost of the truth. They also just started condensing a lot after season 4, I think that was when they'd really started to fall off. Tyrion's arc never quite feels complete in the show, there's a low point that he reaches but then he meets Daenerys, whatever arc or redemption he's supposed to have is changed to "you just need to put your brain to work". His hesitance at ruling in the finale would have worked after season four after he's killed Shae and Tywin.
But his descent into villainy feels earned and that's what I think is important, you don't have to agree with him becoming this way but you can understand why. Everyone treats you like you are the worst person even when you do so much to prove you aren't and then you finally just snap. I've always wondered how his story will end, will it be a final clash between him and Cersei with Jaime possibly in the middle, will it be Penny, someone who he's pushing away, making him like everyone else, or will it be Mord who probably never got the "more" he was promised in book one?
I think Tyrion being villainous and vengeful would be very important in the next two books (they won't ever be finished). It might be what pushes Dany in the direction of madness or generally tyranny which she has already displayed. Dany will be very susceptible to Tyrion telling her how wicked Westeros as a whole is.
11:04 oh hell no! this chick was given every chance to leave town with bags of cash. she made her choice.
(In the show) But, why Bronn told him that she was alredy sailing? (or something like that) Maybe she was addressed in the ship by Cercei, which left her with no other option.
She told us she was gonna do it. And Alas, here it is😍 ty GrayArea
While a part of me loves the theory that Tywin was infertile and fathered none of his children, a larger part of me loves the theory that Tyrion is Tywin's only true born child. I want that to be true so badly. Also, that dialogue between Tyrion and Bronn about murdering Joffrey made me think Daenerys's "betrayal for love" could involve Tyrion; that perhaps he'll betray her for the love he bears Cersei's children (most likely Myrcella; I don't think Tommen will live too much longer).
Why?
Myrcella is a goner too
The prophecy. All od Cersei 's children will die.
Shey was given many chances to leave. She wanted to play the game, and lost.
@@emiliawaldmann2109 almost. He does think of Shae with regret.
This is such a good video on Tyrion, thank you!
Yes, he is a monster now, yet still a great character and you understand his motivation.
show Tyrion became stupid
There is no reason for anything that happened in the show except for DnD not knowing or understanding anything about storytelling and the story they were telling. Their ego destroyed what was indestructible and it’s entirely on them. They liked Sansa and Tyrion and Arya and they ruined everything to accommodate that. Anyways I can’t wait for TWOW and really hope it comes out this year! I believe in the Tyrion Targaryen theory and that he is one of the heads of the dragon. I just hope the dragons cure him as they did Dany and that he can find redemption once he is united with Dany who had a much worse life and does not inflict violence on innocents because of it.
Their egos got inflated because they knocked it out of the park with the Sept of Baelor episode without GRRM and they decided that they could do no wrong. Daenerys will probably burn a city, but my bet is on Volantis, not Kings Landing. After watching this video, I wonder if the imp will steal Viserion and barbecue Kings Landing himself.
Sleekoduck if that is the same episode as the Hodor death there is NO WAY GRRM didn’t tell them about it. Just no way!
Pamela Bezerra they liked Sansa? Lol what? If they liked her they wouldn’t have removed her entire personality and storyline for 3 straight seasons and then randomly raped her for literally no reason than to build up *Ramsay* as the baddest bad guy who ever evilled.
Anjelica Snorcket I think it just got to the point that D&D thought ppl would like what ever they did. And for ppl who didn’t read the books and know the characters n story they probably did love the show. I think the actors did a good job with what they were givin, unfortunately they were givin garbagethe last 3 seasons each season getting worse. It’s all on D&D everyone else did the best they could.
@@michelesilva9491 I haven't read the books except book one, and I think things started to go downhill after season 4. And I don't plan on reading any of the stories till GRRM is done. with the books. Not going to invest that kind of time with a product that is not finished.
Tyrion is a villain because people made him so. The Evil Monkey is an image of Tyrion as a monster that is self-fulfilling prophecy.
Nope. He could have walked away he didn't need to kill anyone.
@@wisdommanari6701 that’s a shallow answer
PLEASE do a Tysha/Shae/Sansa video!
Thank you m’lady. I have been thinking this for a long time!
When Tyrion is still Hand of the King he has a singer murdered and turned into stew because the man was threatening to sing a song about him sleeping with Shae. He could have dealt with him in a different way, maybe bought him off or put him in a black cell for a couple of days to scare him into silence. But murder was the easiest and surest solution. Tyrion didn't suddenly change with Jaime's confession or Shae's betrayal. He ALWAYS had a cruel side and could hurt people without regret. As he said to Tywin before putting a crossbow bolt in him, 'I am you writ small.'
Even if he's a villian, he is a complex villian tbh.
He reminds me of how Romance of the Three Kingdoms portrays Cao Cao
Love this video. One of the main things I hated the most was how they white-washed Tyrion's character on the show. I miss the first 4 seasons of GOT and hate the fanfiction, soap opera they gave us in seasons 5 through 8.
In the books he is like the Joker after he escaped Westeros
I'm so glad you did this video ✨, thank you 💕
i read somewhere that when asked about Dany's age when she left the house with the red door, GRRM wouldnt answer the question because there will be revelations about the red door. do you have any theories? love watching your videos!
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The house with the red door, and a lemon tree? Sansa likes lemons, and her hair is red...
His inner conflict, and ultimate responsibility for the destruction of Kings Landing, will be so much more meaningful in the books. He is the best example of a gray character in the books. An essentially good hearted man who gives in to his very worst traits due to being weighted down by bitterness, grief and very bad genes. Cutting the revelation of what happened to his wife was my clue that the show was never going to explore one of the greatest characters in modern literature. A shame, because Dinklage would have CRUSHED it.
Why your videos so good! Giving me chills mayne 👍🏾💯
George did say Tyrion is a villain but he also said Tyrion is the greyest character which to me puts him middle ground on the superhero to supervillain scale. I think Jaime's doubt of Tyrion was significant in his fall from grace but I do believe Tysha is more significant; "where do whores go" isn't just where he's pinning the blame but genuinely the most significant haunting thing for him in my opinion. I think Tyrion's rise in power in Winds with the Second Sons and eventually with Dany will accompany a rise in his esteem and his light side again, and then I expect him to realise he is loved by someone at some point later in the story, be that Penny or someone else. I don't think his arc is at its final point. In fact if Dany is destined to be the final baddie then I could see Tyrion's full circle taking him back to being the good guy against Dany's bad. But perhaps Winds will hold more dark before we see the Dream of Spring, we'll have to wait and see.
Of course the show would have been better following Tyrion’s true arc from the books. The fans of the show loved him so much, I think the show runners did not want to destroy his popularity. However, they destroyed his popularity by turning him into essentially nothing in the end. Just hoping for the books. Fingers crossed.
Let The Games BEGIN!!! Gray bout to give us the story depth D&D robbed from us
True story; I thought after his speech at the end of his trial, literally said “Enter Dark Tyrion”
Prop 🤣😂😂exactly correct!! 🤣👏
Your ASOIAF content is very entertaining, keep up the good work!
0:57 WRONG! It's true that he had no growth on the TV show, but he didn't stay the same from season 1 to 8!
He actually shrunk from a tactical thinking person with witty sentences to a miscalculating doofus with rather dull sentences.
*slightly exaggerrated*
He didn't kill Shae because she testified against him. He killed Shae because he found her in Tywin's bed.
He killed Shae because she said some words that triggered him. "My Giant of Lannister", "That was the worst thing you could have said, sweetling", Tyrion thinks, and kills her. It's a crime of passion.
This is the only channel I'll watch Game of Thrones content anymore
GUURRLL...I have missed GOT videos! Feel like I just got a piece of my heart back! Keep it up!!
Yaaaaaaas!! I’ve been Looking for a video like this for weeeeeks!!
Damn, Peter Dinklage got robbed the hardest honestly. A villainous Tyrion would not only be more interesting for the character but for the very talented actor portraying him in the show.
Eventually she descends into a Samuel L Jackson-esque delivery
I'VE HAD IT WITH THIS MUTHA FUCKIN IMP IN MY MUTHA FUCKIN KEEP!
I'm watching this again a year later.
I don't relate to pissing off the wall since I know I'd be too cold to pee!
I only watched the show and didn't read the books. But in the show Peter Dinklage did his job almost too well at the beginning. He made Tyrion so nice and relatable, that everybody loved him and people would have been very upset if he had tuned into a monster. Just like they are upset about how Dany was turned into a monster.
But it makes sense in the books it's a slow evolution
Tyrion was always team lanister and it showed throughout the series, he betrayed Dani not because she burned king’s landing but because she killed his brother and sister. Before the battle he wasn’t worried about the people he was worried for the safety of his sister and the baby. But the worst part that I will never get over it. Is that in the end he actually got everything he wanted. He loves that job and grey worm was cool with it.
Just a few other things about Tyrion's villainy: he armed the wildlings of the Vale to get revenge on Lysa but they're only terrorizing smallfolk who did nothing to Tyrion, he used Alyayah as a shield for Shae even though Yaya would and did receive the brunt of the punishment, he openly didnt care about the common people being raped and murdered in the Riverlands brushing it off as just war, he forced the soldiers on his side to act as suicide bombers without their knowledge since they were on the ships loaded with wildfire and they burned along with the enemy soldiers, he had a singer murdered and put in a stew that the common people eat forcing cannibalism on them, he molested Sansa (the fact that he didn't proceed with the rape doesn't discount that) and lusted after her even though she's 12, and he spent ADWD plotting to cause even more war and death whether he would use Myrcella, Aegon, or Dany as his instrument of destruction.
@@MM-sc3ty on their wedding night he felt up her body. Tbh the fact that he agreed to marry her in the first place is villainy. He can't even say he didn't want her body and Winterfell.
It seems like you're stretching this especially with sansa
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 nah
R A I disagree with the Sansa thing. He was forced into the marriage and by Westeros society standards, Sansa was a woman and ready for marriage/sex/children the moment she bleed for the first time. They had the rights to have sex that night but he stopped because he knew she didn’t want it.
@@octaviablackthorn9 Tyrion was given a choice. He chose to marry a child so he could use her to claim her home. In his own mind, he acknowledges that she is a child and feels shame at his own lust for a child. So he knows what he's doing is wrong. He also chose to molest her before stopping himself from completing rape, purely bc he wants the illusion of consent for the sake of his own feelings.
Tyrion is just as bad as Cersei and Tywin. He could have used his position of power in ACOK to stop them. But he helped them instead.
I have got to admit that I liked Tyrion in the early seasons although he was ruthless but goodness I have no idea why Dany took him as her Hand in Westeros. He undermined her at every turn. We all knew that in the end Lannisters always want to be on top and he would never overthrow his own family. And don’t call Ned stupid. If you were born, raised and ruled in a place where politics don’t play a role, how the heck would you know that you need to play a game if you’re thrown in a different environment. The Lannister’s wouldn’t know how to navigate in the North themselves.
This is the first time I've run across your work and I love listening to you. You talk how I would haha. Real and shit. Your voice is nice to listen to and I had the exact thoughts as your summation a bunch of times, and I mean almost word for word haha. I've read the books a couple of times and just finished the audiobooks at work a couple weeks ago and I've always thought Tyrion did remarkably well on the good/evil scale considering his roots and upbringing but I really like your premise here haha. I'm going to check out some more of your work in the future.
The ultimate villain in GOT is definitely Tyrion Lannister! He destroyed what they did 2 Marcella and Tommen in a Dance of Dragons. He's still wants the murder of the poor population of King's Landing.
Yeah also I love how it’s admirable for Tyrion and Cersei to use wildfire but not okay for Dany to burn her enemies. I know a lot of self righteous people including fans, Tyrion and Varys all call Dany mad, but it’s bull. She should have burned Cersei as soon as she landed in Westeros like her Allies wanted her to.
I think the difference is that they used wildfire on an invading force while Dany burns noncombatants
@@Woodsy2575 Noncombatants, lol, I don't class the lannister army as Noncombatant.
Please don't bring the books into this lol
Thanks for doing this! Almost no one who covers Game of Thrones explores Tyrion's darker book counterpart. I like both versions but his book version was so much more nuanced. :)
you are too good on these videos!!
Honestly i always thought Tyrion wasnt a villain, just a very practical man who wants to be a good man but his family makes him a villain as he reacts to them.
I would agree
Most “evil twisted “ things he dose pre trail are just purely practical
Those in power must rule to match their kingdom
You have power in a cut throat place like kings landing you must be cut throat your yours will be slit
Theres a good amount of brutal as they say
Post trail he still dosnt seem “evil”
Hard quotations because of
“Dont use modern morals to judge the past”
Just like his to hurt and tired to care anymore so he just lashes out rather then trying to be civil
Tyrion claimed to be for the crippled, Bastard, and broken things and yet, he created a petty rumor that Patchface is Shireen’s real father. The only person who disagree with starting the rumor was Pycelle.
That was little finger
@@avumainvestments5591 Cersei and Tyrion helped. and Tyrion didn't object.
Gray I ain’t even gonna hold u. I been so damn depressed and suicidal but your videos always come right on damn time. 💙💜💚
I’m home sick and I saw you posted this. Clicked without really thinking and then realized... I’ve missed your voice 😩 hahahah
Love this video. The Tysha story completely changes Tyrion's character, no wonder they left it out. Not sure there was/is any coming back from that.
I really think Peter Dinklage has created an image because and people are not ready to see that he is freaking monster and a prick. But seriously he is.
I still think he's the one that sent messages to King's Landing on what the plans are, and that is why they were prepared. I also think it's why he was looking so pissed when seeing Jon go into Daenery's cabin, he was trying to take all her allies away and here comes JOn who truly is an honest man and could lead her on the right path.
@@spirittammyk I really think D&D are too incompetent to write a coherent subplot. I mean in the last episode when he says he loves Danaerys and points out to Jon that not as successively as he does. I seriously don't get what he means ? Like what? Did u wanted a romantic relationship like Jon did?
His devotion is so unreal, and then the betrayal so convenient. It's just freaking amazing how stupid Tyrion is in series.
@@Bumble-bee_It's too bad the creators didn't have faith in their audience. Just think, most of the time, it's the villain that gets remembered, not the hero. They could have turned Tyrion into something like Hannibal Lecter. Not a cannibal, but that he was smart and also completely removed of all human emotions.
@@spirittammyk true. You should watch NBC series:Hannibal. It's a shame that these shows get cancelled and declining shows whose premise was once good are still talked about.
Yay! I love your videos!😁✌
Super dope video!!
I think Tyrion will essentially cause the most havoc in King's Landing, but I also think he'll regret it. It is foreshadowed in AGOT during his vision, where he has the two heads, one weeping as dragons wheel across the sky. Something I think people need to realize about GRRM is there's a very big unspoken "But...." after everything he says regarding ASOIAF and it's characters. He may say Tyrion is a villain, but I think he's purposely *not* saying that Tyrion will find his way back to the light. Before he does though, he'll become far more terrible than he was in the show.
I think many of the characters will have dark turns in The Winds of Winter.
Daenerys is going to stop trying to compromise and will be more aggressive as she brings her forces back through Essos.
Tyrion will be egging her on the whole time, and letting her know that Aegon is going for the throne to spark conflict, possibly also telling her that Aegon's a fake and that her old patron Illyrio has just been using her for his own ends.
Sansa will be complicit in the death of Robert Arryn
Arya has already started murdering people for the Faceless Men and her own desires.
Bran is warging into Hodor's body in a way akin to rape and may also directly cause his death if the show has any accuracy.
Jon is dead, but if he comes back (I think it won't be until the end of the book or early ADOS myself) he'll basically walk off and abandon humanity for awhile.
It won't be until A Dream of Spring that some may abandon the dark paths they're heading down.
There is evil in every man when you put a sword in his hand
Thank you for doing this video! I'm literally two seconds in and had to give you a like because I have been waiting ages for someone to finally speak the truth about the demon monkey. You rock!
Great video! I love this idea of nature/nurture! This is exactly why everyone should just constantly give each other the business, break balls and talk sh!t to one another bc that’s the best way to “tip your hand” socially and let people know whats up without much explanation. Just leaving someone to steep inside of their own internal echo chamber is cruel. Especially when that echo chamber is full of accusatory, unaffectionate, insulting nicknames with no humor behind them, because even though your echo chamber may be full of other peoples words, you are in control of the dial, and like everyone, you tend to turn the volume way up on the bad.... Words are words and sticks and stones and all o’ this, but just be mindful, some people are wired different and how long would you have to hear something about yourself until you start to at least test it’s validity? That’s why smart people trade friendly insults upon greeting one another! A lead in joke is called an “Ice-breaker” for a reason, hahahahaha! Thanks for the video!
If you think about it, Shae was the Tekashi 69 of Tyrion's trial.
Omg I watched them call him demon monkey tonight 🤣🤣
Oh please! Tyrion is no more a villain than any other of the characters.
Your videos have me more hype for the new books than George does right now LOL
Tyrion is my favorite character in the books and I hate how the show dropped his IQ 40 points when they ran out of source material
Tyrion is why I got into this series of books. He is very believable in the sense that the reader sees his struggles & achievements so if he has lost or gained anything then the reader is down with it. Nothing is off screen with Tyrion. I would be pleased with Tyrion coming out on top as a hero or villain or hell...both. The ride would be worth it. The show writers probably saw this huge Tyrion character development and they started to downgrade Tyrion into Happy Monkey Demon. He sings...he dances...he's happy in his misery.
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Great video! And regarding the supposed Tyrion/Dany meet up...I don't believe Daenerys would have the brother of the Kingslayer as Hand as we saw on the show but I do see Tyrion getting close to her, and using her to get Casterly Rock... (Tyrion is already in debt to The Seconds Sons so...he needs Casterly rock) I even go as far to say our boy Tyrion could be her Treason for Gold... what simbolizes gold better than the Lannister Castle/Name.
Here's the thought I had today is that you and GRRM have coffee every morning ... hell he may even be your Dad... and that is why you can describe and explain the characters and plots so well. Like your his secret secret leaker.