The simple Gracie formula for massive success in MMA and street fights
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2024
- This video discusses grappling strategies of the Gracie family to defeat other disciplines.
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I practice Gracie JJ under a longtime Heilo Gracie Family instructor. I wasted a good 12 years playing weird guards that I knew from my wrestling and Judo background wouldn't be effective in street fighting. But, it was all that was available in my area. Once I started training with my current coach, I realized I was doing the exact same Judo NeWaza that I started with 42 years ago in Judo. It's a circle.
Your journey has been shared by many former wrestlers, and I'm one of them. I was amazed by watching the original UFC and the Gracie In Action tapes in the early 90's. Unfortunately, even then, the only BJJ instruction available was exclusively focused on competition and pulling guard while fishing for armbars and triangles.
I was watching Brazilians fight a certain way, with a set of tactics, and then in class I was learning none of that.
I left BJJ with a blue belt and less knowledge of self defense than I had from wrestling.
i went back to wrestling, joined a wrestling club with a lot of Russian and some Cuban wrestlers, and went on to watch wrestling dominate UFC events for another 20 years.
It makes sense too, since BJJ and Judo share lineage with Ancient Japanese JuJutsu
💯. I came from a Jujutsu / Judo / Karate background starting in the mid 80's. I enjoyed the early UFC but BJJ was nothing new in terms of techniques, just strategy. I have crossed trained with wrestlers who can shoot better than most BJJ guys and they will slam you😮. Good times 😎
@@cdcaleoif you didn’t learn BJJ and don’t continue then you’ll be killed by a no gi BJJ competition guy. A lot of 10P guys are decent at wrestling and have submissions. Look at B team
Perfect description @@cdcaleo
The gracie jj = judo variation with a simple and efficiant strategy. That it.
That's it. And that's why is good.
@@arucadojoestar6489 yeah its good , but gracie claim to have invented everything without ever mentioning that they were greatly inspired by judo.
@@jsthiffo9568 Except they mention it every chance they get. In literally everything they ever wrote on their origin. They also changed which techniques they focused on and altered training methodology. That would warrant a new name for the system in Japan.
Take away the standup game = weak in self defense.
@@jsthiffo9568 inspired? It is directly half of judo with a few wrestling tackles.
Even when poorly/sloppily executed (I absolutely SUCK at grappling lol), the basic "close the distance/clinch up/takedown/finish with strike or a choke" strategy/system has got me through a bunch of fights against people who could have easily boxed my face in, had I have decided to stay in the pocket and trade with them and/or try to keep distance and kick or evade instead.
It's not a flawless system and (at least in my hands...) it's kind of ugly-looking and awkward, but it's VERY effective.
I’m glad it worked out for you
@@AmenProductions_YT cheers man. I caught a couple of hits and didn't come away totally unscathed but luckily my limited, sloppy repertoire got me through it haha.
@@TheGhostofLlopmondDunderbridge 😂😂😂
To me it is very effective. I did allot of martial arts before finally trying BJJ. However, I now have allot of faith in the BJJ. I know it works, and works well.
I'm always remind myself of John Danaher breaking down the Gracie/Bjj method to Rogan and gave it a 4 step sequence....
what was the 4 step sequence ?
@@ifoundthistoday Type this into search bar - John Danaher defines Jiu Jitsu as a four step system.
2:31 you can see the mat on this dojo is made with great quality, looks like there is a suspension there. It looks similar to the Pro-Wrestling rings, you can be slammed safely there.
In short:
Take down -> Mount or Top turtle -> ground and pound -> Hadaka Jime/RNC
(If I’m wrong, please correct me.)
This video definitely makes Gracie Jiu Jitsu seem more like a system of judo rather than its own individual martial art. (Which is pretty much what it is because it is judo.)
Almost man, but I'd say you missed out the part before the takedown comes, which tends to consist of closing the distance and initiating a clinch of some kind. This is probably the most crucial part but also very much the most dangerous, because the possibility of getting clipped and even knocked out is always present; obviously some striking training helps a LOT here (preferably boxing/muaythai/kickboxing but basically, anything where you train to avoid/block/counter real punches to the head in sparring will do).
Don't mean to come off as expert or anything btw, I'm not good at fighting at all but found that some minimal training in the fundamentals saved my skin when I've needed it, at least so far haha! (*knocks on wood*)
It’s 100% half of judo.
From UFC1 chaos to general knowledge to very clear and easy instruction (with digital graphics even)
Interesting!
They got to cherry pick their opponents and made sure high level judoka, among others, stayed away from the octagon. Not impressed.
The Gracies gave us three things that changed martial arts forever: the dominance of the mount position, actual effective techniques to get out from under a mounted opponent (and that it is very possible to fight from your back), and a put-up-or-shut-up policy of challenging other arts that relied on poor or ineffective techniques (which led to the UFC and MMA in general). For those lessons, we should all be eternally grateful.
Yeaaahhh the whole "put up or shut up" thing goes out the window when it's put up against our specific rule set which favors us or shut up.
And the learning curve compared to judo.
Did-Gracie’s gave us three things, a very rigged UFC, false hype and complete BS.
Excellent breakdown. The Gracies always warned against the ideas of Eddie Bravo and by extension John Danaher etc etc and the sportifying of Jiu Jitsu. They had developed a pragmatic and highly-effective self defence system based entirely on distance control, but the human desire, or arrogance to think you know better and can improve on something took over once it reached the United States. It would take a return to round less fights for the public to recognise how right they were.
Gracies themselves were taken out one by one precisely in said long no time limit bouts in the 90s Japan. Once Jiu Jitsu became a world wide phenomenon, mma competitors adapted and the true improvement commenced.
@@user-rw2gf3zg1t the point isn’t whether individual Gracies won or lost. The point is that the methodology was correct. It was proven again and again that maintaining distance, clinch, takedown to submission was the winning formula. Nowadays there is a huge focus on stand up and entertainment and that’s what I was referring to in terms of the length of bouts.
Well first of all there wasn't a single gameplan they utilised against opponents in mma competition. You can't just take down Mark Coleman or Dan Severn or Mark Kerr or even a guy like Sakuraba with what Gracie Jiu Jitsu had to offer in terms of offensive stand up wrestling. They would then try to lull or force opponents into guard to which people also adapted. For a skilled Jiu Jitsu player competing in mma there is often little choice but to stand and bang
@@user-rw2gf3zg1t not even top wrestlers can take down the people you have mentioned. Dan Severn would probably have beat 99% of people with zero training he was that huge and strong. We’re talking about a general approach to fighting and self defence, not some magic formula. I reiterate my point that the maintenance of distance until you see an opportunity to clinch and takedown is the Gracie method. The standing and banging approach is modern sport and MMA. Is it effective, of course it can be, but it’s not the point the video is making.
@@Patrick-sh9tt The methodology worked well at a time when ground work wasn't commonplace in MMA (or what was the beginnings of MMA). It's important to remember that the Gracies mostly fought people who didn't know what they were going up against, and as soon as they were in a clinch didn't know what to do. They had the element of surprise and that's where the early dominance of BJJ came from. The same formula doesn't work as well any more, for starters any half decent MMA fighter can see a double leg take down coming a mile away and boom goes the knee to the face.
The formula: pick non-grapplers. If the opponent is better, try to stall them out and claim moral victory/rewrite history after.
While I do think the Gracie’s have their own revisionist history on events, the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu ain’t bs. They grappled plenty of wrestlers and still were able to submit. There’s a reason why in MMA you must at least train submission defense in order to negate Jiu Jitsu.
Sure, they beat plenty of wrestlers , but the problem is plenty of wrestlers beat the Gracies, and they never once give props.
Sadly, in spite of GJJ effectiveness, you aren't wrong. And what is rising up in BJJ is just 80s TKD. Sport and competition quickly stripping away and muddling the practical, useful skills.
Grapplers vs Royce Gracie: Ken Shamrock (Wrestling/Shooto, UFC 1), Minoki Ichihara (Daido Juku/Kudo, UFC 2), Remco Pardoel (Judo/Ju-Jutsu, UFC 2), Kimo Leopoldo (BJJ, UFC 3), Dan Severn (Wrestling, UFC 4).
Grapplers vs Rickson Gracie: Yoshinori Nishi (Daido Juku/Kudo, VTJ 1994), Yoshihisa Yamamoto (Pro-Wrestling/CACC, VTJ 1995), Koichiro Kimura (S.A.W., VTJ 1995), Yuki Nakai (Judo/Shooto, VTJ 1995).
You forgot Matt Hughes and Yoshida. Both beat Royce.
right on
The Carlson method
Fine materiel.
This video is simplified, but BJJ when fought by two fighters and both know the techniques becomes a very different game from Judo.
The sad reality is that the vast majority of BJJ students in the U.S. have never learned, let alone practice and perfect, the original Gracie street fighting methods.
I started training BJJ in the mid 90's during the early UFC boom years, and even then, BJJ instruction almost everywhere was focused exclusively on competition and guard play.
I was watching Brazilians fight in MMA using a certain set of effective techniques, and then learning absolutely none of those techniques in BJJ classes, where we focused almost exclusively on guard pulling to set up armbars.
I left BJJ with a blue belt, and went back to wrestling just as wrestlers started dominating MMA, wherein BJJ in the U.S. took this bizarre evolution of more elaborate guard theatrics that were completely divorced from reality.
To this day, the vast majority of BJJ clubs are oriented toward competition and guard play, with only ADCC oriented clubs offering a more wrestling oriented strategy, and those are few and far between.
It's unfortunate, because on some level, BJJ, as it is taught to the vast majority of the public, is equivalent to suburban strip mall Martial Arts from the 80's, totally devoid of effective street self defense.
You are much better served joining a wrestling club, or taking up boxing/Muay Thai, if available.
Because no gi is literally no shirts and shorts. Real fights in the street can involve normal people who wear clothes, long sleeves and pants.
As someone who works in LE organization. I have been in multiple fights and I have used gi grips and no gi grips. It depends on the other guy. Train train train. It seems the judo guys on here hate BJJ
@@josuerodriguez12b yeah I dunno where this "the gi is unrealistic because people dont wear jackets" argument comes from; perhaps people who live in Florida or something haha but here in the UK even the summers tend to be kind of mild and cold so most people wear SOME kind of jacket most of the time...
Bjj is the new karate . It’s turning into a joke . Mcdojos , kid black belts. It’s all about the money now . Buy a franchise at blue belt & call yourself a professor. Get a small bus & offer afterschool care . Have a lil ninja program. Have a black belt fast track program. Don’t forget the merchandise
boxing/Muay Thai kind of defeats the whole concept of once off of their feet they are helpless .. but i get your point, my fighting days are over but i would have loved to learn bjj like in this video, i was more boxing/wing chun
Hi Chadi! Great video! May I do a reaction to this video. I used to train at a school that taught Gracie jiu jitsu and I think I can add some valuable context @chadi
Chadi look for Rufino dos Santos vs Gracie
If they didn’t assault him with an armed mob, catch wrestling would be all the hype and nobody would even know what Brazilian Judo even is.
Conseguiram vencer quando os adversários não sabiam defender quedas, a partir do momento que aprenderam isso o jiujitsu virou apenas uma luta como qualquer outra
I came here for the angry judoka 😂
Do you see kosoto gake at higher levels in judo?
Why would you not see it at high levels. It is a single leg outside trip.
All the time
Chadi: you made a video with a weird judoka, with a very sneaky style... looking clumsy like he would fall or make mistake, then fool the opponent and win - but I can not find it. Please help me with the name of that judoka?
Can you defend yourself with 1 year of constant judo training?
I am a long time BJJ player. First I am Carlson Gracie lineage. The philosophy is simple. Close the distance. Take them down. Side Control, Mount, maybe Back Mount. Smash them, then smash them again. Guard is a defensive technique when you are yourself placed on your back. Sport BJJ is fine. It is not designed to fight people, it is designed to compete against other BJJers. The worst people in the world to find yourself fighting are wrestlers, Judo players or Muay Thai fighters. Followed by a good boxer. I rate a good wrestler as a nightmare for anyone. Size counts, strength counts, speed counts. The Gracies fought a lot of puny looking guys in the early days and were horrible people. BUT they opened up the world of grappling. They brought back MMA. I forgot Sambo, sorry. Keep it real, train hard. That's it.
None of Carlson Gracie's guys liked the Gracie family except rolls Gracie.
Gracie BJJ=JUDO as a martial art
Exactly...
@@ricardokerscher it's just that simple!
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This is how Royce triangle choked Dan Severn. Severn weighed 75 lbs more than Royce and was a multiple time all American D1 wrestler
The best straragy is picking only people you know you can beat and running away from legitimate challengers
Gracie jiu jitsu is no over positions
This video proves that specific systems are limited for a real fight. He rushed in, took him down, punched him and then choked him you dont have to be trained to do that it happens in most cities dally. Yet BJJ and Judo will ignore this video and carry on.
When I was a BJJ pure newbie and white belt. I realized how much I needed to improve my takedowns and strength and learn striking. Since then I earned my blue belt, started judo and learned Muay Thai.
What an asinine statement... you don't have to be trained to hit somebody in the face either (happens in most cities daily!), but if you actually train at boxing you'll be better at it. Same goes with grappling.
You have to practice to do anything well.
What are you talking about Chadi? You can't be a purist in MMA. It's self evident. Thats what "mixed" means.
If the dis-Gracies didn’t assault Ruffino Dos Santos with an armed mob ending his carrier after defeating Carlos Gracie, catch wrestling would be all the hype and nobody would even know what Brazilian Judo even is.
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