I rejected a $360k Google job offer | Software Engineer
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☠️ I turned down a $360k job offer from Google! Why? Isn't Google the top dream company that everyone's talking about? Was there anything wrong with the offer? Or am I just... too cool for Google!? lol... Hear me out and find out!
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At least you got to do their work lying down
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You guys don’t know how lucky you are to be American and be able to choose jobs and reject six figure salaries. I’m from Zimbabwe and getting a job is a miracle. Like seriously, I hope you appreciate how lucky you are🙏🙏🙏
We do, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t choose, right?
Shame on you. It’s not easy for them to get there. You have to work hard. Go to USA if you think it’s just lucky
You have to be good
It's all relative bro
@@PIRATEKINGDOM Yeah choose what’s best for you man, all the way. Hope I didn’t come off as rude.
imagine getting so good at your craft that you can reject such offers instead of celebrating that you've gotten such an offer. Goals man, Goals
That's when you know you're the shiz niz.
Yeah cause everything's about momey and throwing people under the bus
@@akashchandra2223 You intentionally interpreted it on the worst way possible then got upset, what a fucking tool you are mate
@@TheSafaFenoner You must be fun at parties.
@@TheSafaFenoner can you explain how you got the position?
To those who think I'm arrogant or ungrateful because I turned down Google, that's like saying someone's arrogant or ungrateful because they rejected a $9/hr job over a $10/hr one. I worked at a restaurant washing dishes at $10/hr for nearly a year in the past (when I was a student), but never have I once thought of myself as arrogant or ungrateful for ditching another restaurant that offered $9/hour. There's nothing wrong with valuing yourselves guys. Lastly, I just want to say that I value your thoughts and you're free to speculate, but you can't generalize who I am from a 6-minute video alone.
PK
I worked also at a small restaurant for 2.5$/hour , I'm Iraqi and studying software engineer in Russia in russian language. I'm gonna drop out of the university this month because I feel it's a bad investment of (effort, time and money). And continue my way on my own as a mobile developer to be as great as you some day i hope.
What is the company you are heading?
@@aliwaseem5990 2.5 an hr? tf where, thats some bull shit wage.
@@AdoptedPoo Russia
You worked hard to be where you are! There’s no luck involved, you studied and invested in yourself. People who say you are lucky are actually discrediting your hard work.
I can’t imagine working at Google just trying to do your job and have a normal life and having to deal with guys who have UA-cam channels and are TikTok influencers as your coworkers
I swear people work at fang just to make videos about quitting fang lmao
@@personontheinternet2164 same opinion
How does your coworkers having a YT channel or being popular on TikTok affect your quality of life?
You get used to it. People are super proud to get into Google (with good reasons), so new L3 engineers showing off on social media is common place at Google.
@@personontheinternet2164 policy
Huge fan!! I came across your channel literally 2 days ago and am already a big fan! Great knowledge, personality, and skillset. Looking forward.
I love how he has worked for YEARS at Microsoft but they still had him do a technical interview for insane leetcode questions 😂😂😂
Yes it’s industry standard unfortunately
Ya that’s how it works
the system is broken my dude…
They don't know if you were really working at Microsoft or not. People would be lying on resumes left & right
@@-brycetv1 yes they do, there’s literally a hotline setup to call and verify
This is the first video that I watch from you I totally enjoyed all the cut scenes like "Peace". Keep it going man and thank you for your influence.
Holy crap, that's a huge number to give up. I am sure you're worth every penny. It's good to know what your worth is and sticking to it.
man, I still remember the early days here and on discord. few channels and you were asking for recommendations on what to add specifically. The community has come a long way. I love it!
finally going back to school to get my BAS in software development. I'm so anxious but your videos have really have humbled me!! It's so good to know your worth as such an experienced engineer, I'm so excited to finally get back into coding.
He’s not accepting it to become an ex-Microsoft ex-Amazon Tech Lead
Gee, i hope his wife doesn’t divorce him, and he doesn’t start pushing crypto
*as a millionaire
@@jlelelr best comment ever (stating as a non millionaire)
No matter what always respect Tech Lead
seeing this guy grow from 20k to 100k gives me peace
I love the fact that you have never failed to entertain a niche audience
and your discord is very supportive
"Hey Google, I don't have time here." 😂You rock, Daniel. Happy you found something more in line with your goals and values.
Someone's shooting their shot already ☠️
no about morals they gave him the lowest offer so , he opted for the better one
@@arnabde5766 yeah $360k is pretty low for you
I'm just a new cs college grad and I don't know why this video gave my such a great confidence that I'll turned down some giant company's offer in the future because I will get better offer from another and make me feel I deserve better
Lmao, keep dreaming. Only the top 1% get to Google. if you're not an American who graduated from a top university and is already present in the Bay Area, you're not one of these people.
Your “Hey Google” triggered my Google home
Congrats! Google is known for pretty lowball offers due to prestige and all the benefits it provides (and tbh there are a lot). There's even an internal joke where the excuse for the lowball is "we pay 5-10% of the market" lmao. But overall I think it boils down to the team (at least for me). If the difference between the offers is around 20%, I would choose one which has better WLB and more interesting work. I hope you enjoy your new endeavor!
P.S. Was that for L4? I believe that would be high band of L4 or low band for L5, latter is more likely though.
It looks out of band for L4 seattle according to levels. Seems more like an L5, but sad that was their final number after negotiations. Can pull 500 as senior at many other places.
170K not really lowball
@@novadhd it is
@@novadhd it is, in places with really high cost of living and these are usually the places where these companies are setup in the first place
Definitely an L5 SWE comp level
pirate king's on a journey to go through all the tech giants to collect all the techstones. he already has 2. only then can he restore balance to the techworld with the infinity gauntlet🤣🤣🤣
An avengers reference seriously? He is called the pirate king you know.
Refreshing video. ❤ I like your presentation skill, it’s really fun🤣
I'm glad for you) Also quit my last big tec comp a week ago. But the problem is I don't want to work in a companies anymore)
Here I'm starting my coding journey and you are rejecting Google. That's badass man. I wish I come to your level some day.
you seem like a chill dude. I am subscribing
Congrats bro. and wish you good luck
Lmfao I couldn’t stop laughing bro. Your videos are informative & funny as hell at the same time
could you timestamp the funny part? couldn't find it
To the doubters out there. It takes tremendous effort to be so skilled that you can reject offers this lucrative so don't judge this based on your experience just because you're still new and haven't seen shit yet. I'm Only six months into learning but I already realize this field is so f wide and the needed skills just to be a Jr developer are increasing daily. Props to you my dude 😎.
Keep going, long road ahead!
I love this! Never settle for less.
Google is known to lowball offers. My husband also said no to Google lol. He went to CMU too!
I just got a similar offer for L4 (besides a much lower sign on bonus) and was also working at Microsoft before. I can understand why PK rejected the offer. Google def downleveled him to L4 instead of L5. Hope you are thriving in your new company PK!
Begin yourself and never losing your self respect matters alot always,so I love you bro,you indeed a great mentor fam😍🥰😎
I am just starting my coding journey I cant wait to see where it leads.
First off, thanks in advance for introducing me to Brilliant. Second, I'm blown away that you had the ability to turn down Google. Congratulations to you man. Keep doing your thing
meanwhile me praying non stop to get into google...hoping they hire me from abroad and if they do spending my dads yearly salary for a plane ticket and a descent phone 😂😂
but I am really happy for you man.
interesting. May I know how the equity is calculated? is it a set amount based on the proportion of your base salary? or by the number of stocks given?
companies offer a certain number of stocks priced at the time of the offer. only they know what or how many stocks to offer to candidates.
Wow. If I receive an offer from Google, I would be so desperate to accept it. I am glad you didn't fall for it.
This is why they can get away with lowballing, know your worth!!
And that's why Google can get away with : low leveling (disrespecting candidate), lying (front loading), and lowballing (much lower offers).
If you don't have any external offers, Google will do anything to ensure you get screwed over. And if you have competing offers, you still get screwed over but less.
Compensation wise, the entire company is a joke. But it is very good at selling its image to the public as this 'dream place'.
Internally, people who are experienced cannot get promoted after senior. And get blocked in their career growth.
Still a great place though. But can definitely pay much below market. Also, Google hires almost everyone now (exaggerating) relative to the past.
Big company ==> Many hires ==> Hiring bar falls. Same for all tech firms.
@@2RosarioVampire Why is front loading a lie? I would have loved a front loaded offer when I started. Silicon Valley is so promiscuous, if you're staying longer than 2 years you're stale - I want most of my stock in those first two years!
Also, Google does not do "anything to ensure you get screwed over" otherwise retention would be awful, which it's not. They do what they can get away with, and clearly that's a lot because life there is fucking awesome. Sure, getting to staff is really hard, and promo in general is slower than other companies, but IMO that's equally balanced by the rest of the package. If you need that promo, you can probably interview at L+1 elsewhere if you've been performing at L+1 anyway.
@@Jarryd999 Many developers just don't bother actively keeping in tabs with the market. Golden handcuff concept.
Also, front loading means the offer is less than everyone else that might make even with refreshers.
@@2RosarioVampire Yeah a super heavy exaggeration.
I have a feeling that his next destination is Meta/Facebook. Facebook employees are not allowed to disclose who their employer is on UA-cam 🤣
facebook has a hiring freeze for E4 and below that started months ago. He'd have to be going for E5 which I doubt he got
How many years of software engineering experience do you have for them to offer $360K? I'm going to be studying undergrad computer science starting this fall and I saw that base salary is ~$100K
You can expect to make that in your early thirties if you have what it takes to stay at a top tech company for that long.
Edit: should’ve watched the whole video. I was assuming his $340k was just base compensation. When considering the entire comp package, $340 can get expected after ~5 years
Check levels.fyi for info. Market is way hotter than when I was a new grad, and u can expect to make that with only a few years of experience now.
@The6FootAsian It’s actually $360k in the first year not after five years
@@PIRATEKINGDOM how many years of experience do you have?
@@PIRATEKINGDOM i think he means how many Yrs of Experience to get a first yr offer as much as 360k Total Comp.
Google takes way too freaking long during team matching, hiring committee approval etc, honestly not even worth interviewing there imo due to lowballs and snails pace. Almost every other tech company will have their offer/decision to you in a week because they don’t want to lose you. Google on the other hand doesn’t seem to care and brand recognition and free food carries enough people through the hiring pipeline that these negatives on candidates experience aren’t addressed.
One of the best swe yt channels out there rn. Literally always laughing watching these vids lmao
Thanks for the content!
I still think it's a very good video you have made, you just tell something you have done and share to us. We can watch but shouldn't intervene anything on your life or choice.
Can you imagine what it’d be like to work with the Pirate King? It’d be like trying to sail a boat with Jack Sparrow and pretend all is normal.
Congrats on the job😁😁
Bro just game you a sub, i respect you man
I love you bro, I’m on-site interview right now for L3
wish u a good luck!
I'm a software dev and I'm my major was focused on IS management. What resources do you all recommend/what should I know to get on at MANGA if I wanted attempt to head that path
LeetCode + blind
@@PIRATEKINGDOM Hey Pirate King ✌️ Did you also prepare for the SDI questions? if you did, which resources did you use? I'm also curious which level you are going into the next place. Thanks a lot 🙏🙏
Man, I love all of your contents - Career-wise and entertaining-wise. You are my second role model right now 🦫 😎
@@DaewonTech grokking the system interview. thanks and who's ur first role model!? XD
@@PIRATEKINGDOM Hey bro I just started codeing I have background of Economics. I have started with SQL. Do you have any advice for me.
Short & concise video 👍
I feel you! Leetcode is a painful grind!
Lol am I the only one that thinks it's fun?
@@hil449
Yeah
@@hil449 I don’t mind doing it. Anything for my dreams. I wanna be developer. Whatever it takes.
That's a problem big techs are facing. I code since 1996 and Amazon, Netflix and Facebook are after me for a while. I reject because I know working in these places is hell. My metric to measure a company is : if they evaluate candidates based in algorithms . I'm so tired of working with people who are new in the field and only think about algorithms. Normally these people are exactly the ones that dont deliver
What would be the right thing(s) to focus on instead of (solely) algorithms? I'm curious
Things that show experience go a long way in job interviews. Having several finished projects is a huge plus for getting the first job.
@@Caellyan Great. Thanks for the answer!
Brasileiro ainda mano? Não deve morar aqui hahaha
Would you recommend practicing via Leetcode to pass the technical exams?
He has the luxury to decline offer from Google because he is in a better position in life. An average joe would NEVER do this!
An average joe wouldnt get an offer from google to begin with.
I interviewed at Facebook, Amazon, and then Meta. The interview process for software engineers is very difficult. I did 2 rounds of interviews and it included live coding, designing a system, and algorithm solving. Now I work at DoorDash making $250,000 total compensation. I did fail the other ones. Lol
‘Kay i’m subscribing you rn…. I just started programming and my goal is to be like you …. So much fkn skilled that even 6digit figures get turned down 🤯🤯🤯
The sense of humor is awesome!
Congrats! Can you make vid about how many leetcode you used to do per day, patterns and resources used? that would be of great help to us..
i have one already! check out the video on my leetcode prep. it's exactly how i prepared :) 👉 ua-cam.com/video/a-thH9a9_XE/v-deo.html
Amazon -> Microsoft -> Google(you rejected) Congratulations man. You are like T2 treatment of weblab, so rare. 💜 Wish you good health and luck 🤞
I like you diverse the comments are . Gives us a glimpse of all the hardwork before perfection !
Bro can you say how you cracked the Google interview?? What were the questions and what's your approach?
Same story.
Turned down Facebook and Microsoft offers for Google 😂
But before this, I’ve had 100s of rejections
My dream was to join Software engineering at a big company like Microsoft , later i thought that Google must be good than Microsoft , well not anymore. But can the Pay compensation go up after 7 years ? or will it decrease ? my guess is that it should increase unless there is another company bigger than Google.
Thank you @PIRATE KING for the heart ❤
Love your videos! By the way, Why are you still going to high-tech companies, and don't you try some medium or small sizes?
I really loved your ideas. I wish, I was as good as you.
Holy s****😮.. That's alot of stock... But good choice man😎👍💯
whyd you say "hey google" twice you kept setting off my google home LOL
Thanks for sharing!
They let go of their motto "Don't be evil"
I think for most of the big tech companies, it is well known that you need to have competing offers in order to get higher offer. For Google, there are actual conditions on how the comp team can offer you what package under what conditions. My recruiter told me very clear about these at the beginning. It is not that they tried to lowball you. Giving them the screenshot of your competing offer is pretty common.
They did low ball because the first offer was lower than the market rate
Lol we both quit Microsoft at the same time and given that you previously worked at Amazon, you’re likely joining Meta, who is known for sweeping the floor with Google offers. If so, I just joined Meta myself this week! Good luck!
He was definitely given an L4 position at Google given the base salary.
And 172k is lowballing in Seattle? And by Google of all places?
Hmm. Maybe Google isn't the move
Good for you!
This is why I never count anything but base salary as compensation. Anything that is conditional, optional, or inaccessible is NOT REAL. Companies do this to pad salary numbers and deceive candidates, and sadly, it often works. This was really a $172,000 job offer, which is fine if you don't live in Seattle.
I find it frustrating how companies try and give you 10s of thousands of dollars in RSUs. I understand they are trying to mitigate their risk, but most of the time, their RSUs are worthless.
yes I don't get it. Does it cost companies less to give 200k RSU than to give 200k cash? Surely, companies can't just print stock shares like the government printing cash?
I think companies want to keep the base salary low.
but in this case we're talking about companies like Google... where RSU is pretty good, and I believe they only have a 2 yr vesting period, also pretty good. What's actually funny or silly or even a possibly a mistake on PK's part... if the stock went and stays down... that's the better time to acquire it... share's will go up (unless I'm missing something else how they work) - it's the people that already have shares that want to liquidate now that would have a worse profit.
@@jeffpeng1118 No but cash is more versatile for them, even more so with rising rates. It's also a way to handcuff valuable employees a bit to where they might be taking quite a pay cut to switch jobs before the RSUs fully vest.
@@jeffpeng1118 I think companies have to pay more tax if they pay you more in cash, share is taxfree for both the employee and the company (not sure)
Hey thanks for the insights man could make a video dedicated to step by step guide to learn full stack java technology (for eg. Spring+React) completely from scratch i.e from core java. Also suggest some projects for the process.
Note that this is just upfront pay at the point of signing. His year to year salary would be the base salary + annual bonus (usually you get a bit less than the suggested bonus in my exp)
The rest is just a one time fee and the RSUs are only given if you work for many years.
So his salary would be more or less 200k. Which is certainly good but certainly not amazing for the industry standard
There are always jobs available for good talented people. Pick someplace that you can see yourself working for a while. In the end a culture fit is worth more than some extra money.
Very good advice
Hey Pirate King got a question for you. I got back into community college for CS last fall as an undergrad at 28, 29 now, and knocking out the pre reqs plus an intro to cs class before transferring to uni hopefully sooner rather than later. Been a bit overwhelmed with understanding the best course of action at the moment, what would you consider most important during this stage? Im being told internships during the summer are the most important for experience, yet at the same time, taking summer classes will allow me to graduate sooner. Having gone through all this, in retrospect, what do think is most important here? Im at the age where I know to be patient, however I'd like to optimize my time as best as one can. Any tips would be welcome, love the channel and respect the time you spend making these videos. Thanks.
Having graduated a semester early in 3.5 years for my university, I can assure you that getting internships is significantly more important than graduating early. Graduating sooner will help you cut tuition cost, but doing internships will not only help you land better jobs but also pay for your tuition.
@@PIRATEKINGDOM Noted, thanks for taking the time to confirm that for me.
@@PIRATEKINGDOM any tips on maximizing the chances at getting internships?
@@baseballMMAgames projects. Check out faq in my website. Links in the descriptions!
@@PIRATEKINGDOM thank you!! I want to maximize my previous (current) career as well. I have been a long time licensed psychotherapist with a very successful career. I'm doing this because I really love it. Thanks for the advice I'll check it out!
Congratulations!!!!
This man needs a subscription
I rejected a $360k Google job offer | Software Engineer (as a millionaire)
Wait so you left Microsoft because of RTO but still have to go to the office for your new role? 😂
Yes! Work not just for money but hobby then can make be happy!
Did you prep for System Design? I don't think 2 weeks is enough for coding, system design, and behavioural interview prep.
cracking the coding interview suggest 6 months to prep for FAANG... I am improvising right now with around a month prep for amazon and if things fall through I would of warmed up for google as a recruiter contacted me. Already passed the amazon oa. Wish me luck
When I was interviewing for Google this January, it took 7 days from the moment I got thumbs up from the hiring committee to get team-matched with my manager (also met with 3 more managers within that time period). Either I got lucky or Google's team matching is not that bad
I think you got lucky
@@Aripoma very lucky.
@Billy No
@H. B. I joined a startup after college and got an opportunity to design and develop a backend system from scratch. That way I learned a lot and had large impact on the final product. Plus, I conducted over 20 interviews myself, so I knew what interviewers usually look for. To join Google, I just submitted my resume online and got an email from recruiter.
@@AKMaksat how was the coding interview for you?
This guys is the only one calling FANG companies toxic! As expected. We need more testimonials
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All I've declined is a 190k Amazon offer, but I'm catching up mark my words...
Go watch the video again and figure
Coworker be like 🙂 "Wait... I didn't get a better offer than 350k for my first year."
You never said which company you took the offer of
I cant belive the sign on bonus is that high and equity in such a big company is that high too
Hello Pirate King, just been wondering what should I learn to become a great software engineer, I'm a fullstack web developer but i've always been thinking on how to be a software engineer. Thank you. Goodluck to your new company.
Full-stack web devs are considered SWEs in the US. Grind leetcode and get deeper understanding of DSAs and the questions that companies ask in general!
@@PIRATEKINGDOM thanks for replying man, really appreciate it.
@@PIRATEKINGDOM whats DSAs?
@@halcyonramirez6469 data structures and algorithms
PK is def going to amazon. we increase our pay by 1.5x. for senior, he would be probably getting around 450k-600k.
no way, if you watch his earlier videos, he left amazon for microsoft, and now he quit microsoft to join amazon? hahaha
@@kevinlee3576 a boomerang?
I am turning 30 this year and wish I had studied programming earlier.
Just saw this thumbnail, and, try as I might, I couldn't resist clicking.
I'm glad I clicked; I like your dry delivery and dry sense of humour.
Hi PK, I’m a 41 year old architect in LA, is it too late for me to start programming by self taught? Any recommendations?
You can literally jump ship within a year of hard work and leetcoding 3Qs a day minimum.
It’s never too late i’ve seen people older who made career changes into swe. Check my videos on how to become a swe in 2022 + leetcode + resume etc
@@PIRATEKINGDOM Thank you so much!
@@vasujain1970 Thank you 🙏
But why do you want to leave the architect field? I mean programming is a lot drier as well and not easy either
yo you tryna hand that over?????
Lol my Hey Google triggered up when you say at 3:46. It's so dumb 🤣
Using my headset and the moment he said "Hey Google". My phone's Google assistant popped up.
It's so obvious it's Meta. After his stint at Amazon and Microsoft, there's nowhere else to go. Congrats on getting a big offer PK
Palantir?
Netflix?
Can't imagine them giving a higher offer than Google though
Albertson's?
@@elmank0 is that a grocery store? Lol
or a boomerang back to amazon for 450k lol
Would be awesome if you can answer my following question:
Do you think is for the best to aim for "better" tech companies and grind over there for a while before actually applying for any FAANG?
I'd like to hear you out brother!
Kind regards!
not sure what u mean by "better" tech companies here, but working your way up towards FAANG will be far feasible than knocking on their doors on your first attempt. In fact, that's how I climb up too!
Great Job!
Just did the same thing, but on a whole different level 😅. Congrats for the multiple offer, hope I can catch up to you soon!
Also, my guess is that you take netflixs offer
For folks who are not in tech: 360k tc is like a high sde2 or low senior sde offer.
no. ur either trolling or ur extremely naive. maybe for the large tech MAANG companies, but those salaries are wayyy beyond the average software engineering salary in normal cities. look up the average across the US. its under 100k.
Those who want to work at google aren't good enough,
The good enough to work at google don't want to.