Could AC-130 Spectre & A-10 Warthog Stop The 1944 D-Day Landings? (WarGames 27) | DCS

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  • @tiadiad
    @tiadiad 2 роки тому +42

    What about a nuke? A good old Soviet nuke? Would that cure things? Russian papa ready.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +6

      ua-cam.com/video/89cODUV79Fw/v-deo.html

    • @OtherWorldExplorers
      @OtherWorldExplorers 2 роки тому +2

      @@grimreapers
      Those were Germans posing as Americans.
      😆

    • @bigphizza2819
      @bigphizza2819 2 роки тому +3

      Maybe try it with the Tsar Bomba, it would probably take out most of the south of England as well!

    • @CMDRSweeper
      @CMDRSweeper 2 роки тому +1

      @@bigphizza2819 Not in DCS, so you can't really use that.
      The only "nuke" is the one offered on the MiG-21

    • @tiadiad
      @tiadiad 2 роки тому +2

      @@CMDRSweeper It seems like the answer is obvious. 20 Mig-21s, each carrying a nuke. Drop all 20. Pilots, expendable.

  • @bulldog71ss33
    @bulldog71ss33 2 роки тому +28

    Now that we know that some of the valueless viewers are upset about D-day vids, we should demand more D-day vids.

  • @johnhenkel1828
    @johnhenkel1828 2 роки тому +129

    You have to be pretty insecure with yourself if you are complaining about imaginary deaths. This is a game and it shows the effects of the programming of the game. They could be Jedi vs Sith, gorillas vs snake people, or children vs adults. It is all pretend and super fun to watch.

    • @hyperboloidofonesheet1036
      @hyperboloidofonesheet1036 2 роки тому +22

      As a nagin, I am very offended by this comment. My grandfather fought in the second gorilla-naga war, and the horrors of that conflict cannot be understated.

    • @BlackKnight288
      @BlackKnight288 2 роки тому +8

      Yeah my grandfather was storming the beach D-Day. If someone complains, they can screw off

    • @patricktho6546
      @patricktho6546 2 роки тому +2

      as Putin imprisons someone, who built a russian state building in Minecraft...

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye 2 роки тому

      Like you never cried when Ms. Pac-Man died.
      At least that's what we tell the chicks, so they'll think we're "sensitive".

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye 2 роки тому

      @@patricktho6546 Trudeau froze someone's bank account for blocking the Ambassador Bridge in Minecraft.

  • @manubravo8010
    @manubravo8010 2 роки тому +28

    My grandfather was an American pilot that deserted with his AC 130 to Germany and was involved in this fight against the allies during D-Day.

  • @robertdiaz4594
    @robertdiaz4594 2 роки тому +58

    And for todays purposes we'll say the are British, because we dont mind getting shot at! Great content as always Cap.

  • @APV878
    @APV878 2 роки тому +15

    the firehose effect never gets old. it was awesome seeing from the Her'c perspective with the Hogs chugging and Brrrting along

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper 2 роки тому +16

    NOOOO! Don't stop anything related to D-Day or anything else... Too many interesting things to both see DCS do its thing and GR try their experiments.
    The what ifs are what makes it fun and highlights new discussion points!

  • @sandman4229
    @sandman4229 2 роки тому +37

    Problem was the terrain. The slope of the beach meant the AC-130 had a nearly impossible angle. Amazing flying, nonetheless.👍

    • @mrhedgebull1658
      @mrhedgebull1658 2 роки тому +5

      Yeah, they should have strafed in the other direction.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +3

      Roger, second half of the beach flattened out. If whole beach was flat I would predict 250+ kills for the Herc.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +3

      Beach bends wrong way, had to be this way.

    • @patricktho6546
      @patricktho6546 2 роки тому

      @@grimreapers is there no mirrored AC 130?

  • @lavishmctavish4905
    @lavishmctavish4905 2 роки тому +11

    Who has issues with simulating D-day? TBH that is a load of nonsense. We're playing games like Bannerlord where huge 1000 v 1000 battles are simulated, way more cruel than any battle in WW2. Are these people butthurt by that too? Limiting people their thoughts is a worrying sign of where we are headed.

  • @ValkyrieLightwing
    @ValkyrieLightwing 2 роки тому +8

    That run was one of the most badass things I've seen. The camera angles were just *chef's kiss*

  • @robertlarkin8709
    @robertlarkin8709 2 роки тому +8

    No marines, as was said. The US marines were in the pacific theater fighting from Island to Island. WWII is the origin of superpower as a term for countries, meaning that you can fight two wars simoultaneously in two different theaters that are not connected. This is a reference to both the USSR and the USA fighting on both sides at the same time.

    • @Reactordrone
      @Reactordrone 2 роки тому +1

      If it was a British beach there were a few Royal marines there.

    • @michaelvangundy226
      @michaelvangundy226 2 роки тому +1

      The USSR only fought in Europe against Germany. Only the Allied Army including many countries like Australia, Canada, Britain, and The American Army fought both hemispheres at once.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +1

      thx

    • @robertlarkin8709
      @robertlarkin8709 2 роки тому

      @@michaelvangundy226 USSR fought a land war against Japan as well as one against Germany during WWII

    • @Radmonkeyboy
      @Radmonkeyboy 2 роки тому

      @@robertlarkin8709 ... True, for a few WEEKS.
      And only after Europe was finished.
      Easy to look up.

  • @patricktho6546
    @patricktho6546 2 роки тому +5

    why stop D-Day-missions?
    Similar with why stop the peal harbor missions and alike.
    This is at best alternative history, but mostly a fun wargame.

  • @erikerice9068
    @erikerice9068 2 роки тому +17

    You can do as many D-Day missions as you want. I thoroughly enjoy them, and I'm pretty sure there plenty of fans out there that enjoy them as well. Cheers 🥂

  • @Donie-cn9qq
    @Donie-cn9qq 2 роки тому +5

    That was the craziest and freakn off the scale gun run I ever seen in the virtual world that is. FREAKN AMAZING!! Do It again!!

  • @bigphizza2819
    @bigphizza2819 2 роки тому +1

    Cap shouting "Piss of Spitfire" has made my day, nay my week already!

  • @a-a-ronbrowser1486
    @a-a-ronbrowser1486 2 роки тому +5

    As a former Marine and a pretty patriotic person, I find this entertaining. People need to chill TFO.

  • @Turboactive
    @Turboactive 2 роки тому +4

    "D-Day re-enactments cause PTSD type effects for our viewers, so for our last D-Day scenario we will choose the most brutal and shocking method of slaugher possible!"

  • @hoej
    @hoej 2 роки тому +1

    At this point, GR has officially become QA for DCS.

  • @melgillham462
    @melgillham462 2 роки тому +6

    Enjoyed it sir! Actually an interesting turn out. Thank you gentlemen.

  • @ThutUPB
    @ThutUPB 2 роки тому

    "Das war der große Augenblick der deutsche Luftwaffe!"
    I like when you re-enact my favorite scenes from The Longest Day... :)

  • @LuizBarros99
    @LuizBarros99 2 роки тому +5

    Dang! Imagine if the AC-130 had working targeting systems.
    Also it could be interesting to consider simulating if A-10 Warthogs could take out some LSTs before they can unload the Higgin's Crafts. And then maybe later have other A-10s attack some of the first wave landing crafts, and then another group of A-10s attack the landed troops.
    (But this would require the simulation to take into account the destruction of each LST having an affect on the number of Higgin's Crafts to be spawned, and also make the number of infantry to be spawned to be dependent on the number of landing crafts that are able to reach the beach)

  • @DannyBoi737
    @DannyBoi737 2 роки тому +2

    Idk why, but i love the view from the spitfire of the A-10s and Spectre whipping past them during their merge. 13:00

  • @AdamWalkLikeSuicide
    @AdamWalkLikeSuicide 2 роки тому +1

    10/10
    "Worryingly satisfying."
    SuperCap 2022

  • @Studio23Media
    @Studio23Media 2 роки тому +1

    The real LST 325 is docked as a museum ship in a town right by me! Such a cool ship.

  • @fluff_ruff
    @fluff_ruff 2 роки тому +4

    Someone tell ED it's okay to design programs that use more than *checks notes* one CPU core. 😭

  • @Shane.Lambert
    @Shane.Lambert 2 роки тому +7

    What's wrong with doing D-Day vids? Honest question

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 2 роки тому +5

      Some 'Muricans have been so brainwashed by their government that they can't help but be offended by(and whine about) a video game scenario. It's an unfortunate state of things.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +1

      Some guys get upset seeing US guys die. Brits don't seem to min for some reason.

  • @khuret1773
    @khuret1773 2 роки тому +2

    Wanted more Casualties but Satisfied with the Video

  • @AnvilAirsoftTV
    @AnvilAirsoftTV 2 роки тому +4

    Really need the Fleet with their AA batteries for this one. My thinking would be by this point with the sheer amount of Radar aimed guns the aircraft would not have lasted long.

  • @WilfChadwick
    @WilfChadwick 2 роки тому +6

    15:29 Best GR attack view of all time!

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      I heard a rumour that the VV liked boomboom...

  • @christosvoskresye
    @christosvoskresye 2 роки тому +2

    "Think of all the words we've learned from video games. There's 'strafe.' Who ever used strafe before they started putting it in video games? They used to just say, 'walk sideways and shoot.'" -- Strong Bad

  • @45CaliberCure
    @45CaliberCure 2 роки тому +2

    Well done, all. Nice work from Canonball, especially.

  • @celicaas95
    @celicaas95 2 роки тому +5

    I really would like this scenario with AC-47 if it comes to DCS

  • @mrhedgebull1658
    @mrhedgebull1658 2 роки тому +4

    1:50 "We're going to say we're British because we don't mind being shot at... especially when it's friendly fire from US war planes" :-p

  • @lutfullahkarahanl2998
    @lutfullahkarahanl2998 2 роки тому +1

    Every night i cant sleep without listening to super cap's voice, i must watch a GR video. This channel has become a part of my life :D

  • @peterjones2241
    @peterjones2241 2 роки тому

    Great video again you fail to disappoint us, thanks 🙏

  • @bigb5698
    @bigb5698 2 роки тому +2

    Wait, what? People got annoyed/pissed over a scenario in a GAME? Say it isn't so.
    They really need to wake up and relax.

  • @patricktracy4371
    @patricktracy4371 2 роки тому +1

    watching, thank you

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 2 роки тому +3

    Couple of Bf-109's for air cover, and you could make more passes - devastating!

  • @wrayday7149
    @wrayday7149 Рік тому

    Look's like Private Ryan is going to have to find his own way home.

  • @michaelvangundy226
    @michaelvangundy226 2 роки тому +2

    Later that day the largest ships beached and dozers made roads leading up the beach. Dad drove a radio Jeep for an artillery battalion. Said he never got his feet wet. He ran wiring all the way across France.

    • @chrismoule7242
      @chrismoule7242 2 роки тому

      We thank your dad for his service.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      Yup my Grandad was there making bridges. Not this beach.

  • @xxxm981
    @xxxm981 2 роки тому +1

    That Beach Run looked amazing

  • @Meganstoy
    @Meganstoy 2 роки тому +3

    I think the Herc might have done better if you had come in from the opposite direction, because of the way the beach is slanted.

    • @maxcontinuous7195
      @maxcontinuous7195 2 роки тому

      Agree one hundred percent. I actually can’t believe you wasted your time making this video with the spectre attacking from the wrong side. Unless I’m missing something, which is also likely. Otherwise, great video as usual. Keep em coming, El Capitan!

    • @calmterror
      @calmterror 2 роки тому +1

      @@maxcontinuous7195 well Technically they couldnt fly out over the water all the allied ships with their AA guns would be out there

    • @maxcontinuous7195
      @maxcontinuous7195 2 роки тому

      @@calmterror yeah, but they all de-spawned, so…

    • @maxcontinuous7195
      @maxcontinuous7195 2 роки тому

      @@calmterror I guess I see what you’re saying, they were gaming it as though the ships were still there. Fair point, I’ll buy it.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +1

      We did that to begin with, but after several test runs, this actually works better because the whole beach curves around this way.

  • @bawbremy
    @bawbremy 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent

  • @pancudowny
    @pancudowny 2 роки тому +1

    5:21 - Hoo-rah-hoo-rah-hoo-rah-HEY! Over the beach came the guns of 1300 m'eh-ennn...! =;)

  • @smokeyjoe1034
    @smokeyjoe1034 2 роки тому +1

    Nice job nailing those American soldiers on the beach, Cap.

  • @op3l
    @op3l 2 роки тому +1

    That was brutal.

  • @charlietheunicorn5383
    @charlietheunicorn5383 2 роки тому

    LOL watching the beach get lit up during the gun run. Impressive.

  • @rogerpennel1798
    @rogerpennel1798 2 роки тому +1

    There were 17,000 Royal Marines involved in the D-day landings and there were some USMC contingents aboard the ships. However, the expeditionary role that the USMC played in the Pacific was mainly given to US Army Rangers in Europe.

  • @spectre205
    @spectre205 2 роки тому +3

    Just watching the setup before seeing results, I have a hard time imagining the Spectres survive against OPFOR fighters.

  • @kellywalker9268
    @kellywalker9268 2 роки тому +3

    It is hard for me to believe that the grand children if those who actually stormed the beaches are now complaining about a GAME doing a NOT FOR REAL simulation without getting their feelings hurt and complaining and whining about it.
    CAP do not ever give in the snowflake complaints. This kind of thing is the very reason we all love the Grim Reapers.

  • @Persuasian338
    @Persuasian338 2 роки тому +1

    That was... cinematic.

  • @jebwatson
    @jebwatson Рік тому

    Those shots from the AC of the hogs strafing the entire beach were flippin amazing

  • @CMFL77
    @CMFL77 2 роки тому +2

    The amount of effort you put into setting up these simulations is amazing! BTW, screw the people who can't get over a "what if" reenactment of something that already happened and had its conclusion in the real world

  • @patricktho6546
    @patricktho6546 2 роки тому +1

    11:30 I like how this seems like hiding behind the AC 130 :D

  • @Tyler5346812
    @Tyler5346812 2 роки тому +2

    I would say it was a success. Also I'm from the US and personally I don't find the D-Day videos at all offensive but that's just me. If the server would have been able to handle the correct number of defense towers your run would have done enough damage for a win

  • @Nails077
    @Nails077 2 роки тому +2

    I kind if want to see this with a large flight of Viggens with BK-90s now. TOT with each Viggen having individual target waypoints for the weapons along the beach.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      BK is amazing BUT that is a 100% PC crash every time.

    • @Nails077
      @Nails077 2 роки тому

      @@grimreapers That is a terrible shame 🙁

  • @abasicunderstanding1931
    @abasicunderstanding1931 2 роки тому

    That was badass!

  • @Stoic_grimace
    @Stoic_grimace 2 роки тому

    Great success.

  • @stretchka111
    @stretchka111 2 роки тому

    Great mission as always cap

  • @vec306
    @vec306 2 роки тому +1

    It’s a simulation as a retired US military I have no problem with this.

  • @castlebravocrypto1615
    @castlebravocrypto1615 11 місяців тому

    Some of us more wild and wily fellas across the pond don't mind getting shot at either

  • @colinleblanc6260
    @colinleblanc6260 2 роки тому +1

    Anyway you fine gentleman and ladies could set up The battle of Midway??? Maybe swap modern carrier groups or plane types……. Do what y’all do best. Love the channel!!!

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому +1

      Recording midway this week :)

  • @radioactive9861
    @radioactive9861 2 роки тому

    "British, We don't mind being shot at."...I'll remember that...

  • @Dangrdav
    @Dangrdav 2 роки тому +2

    Moabs!!

  • @blahblah14u
    @blahblah14u 2 роки тому +2

    OMG the destruction is amazing! if only you had some cluster bombs as well and one or two fighter escorts!

  • @dwwest8168
    @dwwest8168 2 роки тому +1

    Ac-130 Gunships at the Battle of Isandlwana.

  • @heathcliff8624
    @heathcliff8624 2 роки тому +2

    This American valued viewer loves these scenarios. Background music should be I Ran by Flock of Seagulls.

  • @imbetterthanyouis
    @imbetterthanyouis 2 роки тому +2

    the orbital strafing was more a thing with the ac 47 , the ac130 was the more well thought out version that was intended to run up and down the hochimin trail ( spelled it one word because no kidding theres an h word according to yt ) at night hitting convoys so yeah absolutely it can do a 5 mile gun run

  • @williamowens2970
    @williamowens2970 2 роки тому +1

    Also, if you want to strafe with the AC-130 you have to fly east to west on the beach ¾ of a mile off set.

  • @iddan1205
    @iddan1205 2 роки тому

    So much BRRRRT. Love it.

  • @CrstnJdiKnight
    @CrstnJdiKnight Рік тому

    Have you people thought of using gun pods on the A-10 and taking out the GU-8 gun? Would be interesting to see the difference that alone would make in this one and run it again in a future mission. 🕵‍♂🧐

  • @VikingTeddy
    @VikingTeddy 2 роки тому +4

    Oh man, that was so cool! You've got to do more Spectres mowing down massive targets.
    Gunship vs. tank swarm at Kursk?
    Unless it's already on a list. It'd also be interesting to see the Super Tucano fight a warbird.

  • @JimUSCM
    @JimUSCM 2 роки тому +1

    What is up with people whingeing for? It's a bloody game for crying out loud. Yes my uncle landed on gold beach, yes I'm super proud of him but like I said.....it's .. a .....game. keep up the great vids guys 👍

  • @UrMumSaysHiWT
    @UrMumSaysHiWT 2 роки тому +1

    On my DCS wishlist: better damagemodel

  • @donleonard3037
    @donleonard3037 2 роки тому +4

    Wow! You should do that again with Specter firing from the seaward side. The Herky bird would have demolished the infantry. As it went, the Herky’s rounds either hit the top of the hill or went over the heads of the infantry, landing in the water. The beach would act as a backstop for the rounds if done from the seaward side. The A-10’s did better because they fired directly from above the beach where the infantry had no cover. I know you said you wouldn’t do the D day landing anymore but that would be awesome if you could redo it and see what side.

  • @AndrewTubbiolo
    @AndrewTubbiolo 2 роки тому

    That in the end is really what airpower is all about.

  • @peterbrazier7107
    @peterbrazier7107 2 роки тому +1

    LST Landing Ship Tank, or to the US Navy Large Slow Target

  • @Tyler5346812
    @Tyler5346812 2 роки тому +2

    I'd love to see some reattempts once the Mod for the Herc allows player or even ai controlled guns

    • @erickleven1712
      @erickleven1712 2 роки тому

      ^^^ This. Getting the 40mm and 105mm working over the beach would have definitely increased the scores.

  • @ProxyMaestro
    @ProxyMaestro 2 роки тому +1

    Stay on target, stay on target, I can’t shake em. Stay on target argh…..

  • @ferce889
    @ferce889 2 роки тому

    Thank GOD you changed that egg-head sounding dudes intro to your own voice

  • @aragracian
    @aragracian 2 роки тому +2

    Actually that was Sword Beach and those were royal Marines so, Cap was right at least on this one
    Maybe, to stay on the theme of offending everyone, you can try to simulate the north koreans subs infiltrating comandos on south Korea, wich plane will spot the snorkels or zodiak boats, and neutralizing them first
    cheers guys

  • @hotironaircraftshop
    @hotironaircraftshop 2 роки тому

    USMC was mostly busy in the PTO.

  • @perrymickle424
    @perrymickle424 2 роки тому

    lawl, awesome

  • @samanazimi5087
    @samanazimi5087 2 роки тому +1

    Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 40

  • @MattDvc
    @MattDvc 2 роки тому +1

    Still haven't tried Moab.

  • @M4niac_Flyer
    @M4niac_Flyer Рік тому

    Now that has to be the most deadliest combo I ever seen

  • @streetcop157
    @streetcop157 2 роки тому

    I was betting the spitfires were going to traumatize you….good run

  • @jamesorth6460
    @jamesorth6460 2 роки тому +1

    US Marines usually were in the Pacific during WWII

  • @CrazyRussianPilot
    @CrazyRussianPilot 2 роки тому +2

    mass vs class ))👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @oloflarsson7629
    @oloflarsson7629 2 роки тому

    This scenario lacks hundreds of enemy P-51's, P-47's and Spitfires as well as the AAA of 2 battleships, 3 cruisers, 13 destroyers and 1000 other naval vessels. I get that to be 121 heavy AA-guns (3" to 5.25"), 149x40mm-guns and 172x20mm guns, just for the naval gunfire support force.

  • @hotironaircraftshop
    @hotironaircraftshop 2 роки тому

    At Omaha, IIRC, there were 88mm installations at each end of the beach.

  • @demomanchaos
    @demomanchaos 2 роки тому

    I wonder how the GAU-8 or a 20mm Vulcan would perform on a warbird like the P-38. I'm also kind of curious how modern weapons would perform in medieval or Napoleonic style battlefields (How much damage a gun run from an A-10 would do to the French lines at Waterloo for example), though I don't know if DCS has units for that far back in time. A run at some WW1 style trenches would be interesting to see as well.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      Main problem is trenches/foxholes not modelled in DCS :(

    • @demomanchaos
      @demomanchaos 2 роки тому

      @@grimreapers Can't make a big ditch to simulate one, or setup a couple of walls/barricades to make a psuedo above-ground trench?

  • @mrpenguin4288
    @mrpenguin4288 2 роки тому +1

    @grim reapers
    Any way to do this with napalm, not necessarily d day but just on infantry?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      Not modelled in game yet

    • @mrpenguin4288
      @mrpenguin4288 2 роки тому

      @@grimreapers thought so. Sooooooo sad. Anyway really enjoy your vids. Keep’em coming!

  • @arnoldfernbladst3875
    @arnoldfernbladst3875 2 роки тому

    You need barrage balloons to give the guys a chance. That's what they used on D-day

  • @jefferynelson
    @jefferynelson 2 роки тому +1

    0:11 I'm guessing heck yes

  • @daviddoyle982
    @daviddoyle982 10 місяців тому

    5:11 Marines on D-Day Landing, sure about that? Should’ve just been Army.

  • @haroldslawter7943
    @haroldslawter7943 2 роки тому

    It's a video game those people who have a problem need to relaxe

  • @blevosaur246
    @blevosaur246 2 роки тому +1

    What about Su-25 with its 160 (or something like that) HE rockets per plane?

  • @zsavage1820
    @zsavage1820 2 роки тому

    Hey Capt,.. on D-day the Germans used MG34s and MG42s just some FYI... I had some friends back in the 80's in Fla, that were at Normandy Bch, and they said that some of the guys just hearing the MG42 made them hit the dirt out of reflexes...lol and I can't blame them .. beast of a gun for it's time...

    • @Gunfreak19
      @Gunfreak19 2 роки тому

      The beach installations also had older MG08s, they were perfectly good MGs and since they sat in bunkers there was no need for mobility, in fact in those situations water cooled guns would actually preform better, as they had more stamina even if the rate of fire was lower.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  2 роки тому

      thx

    • @zsavage1820
      @zsavage1820 2 роки тому

      @@Gunfreak19 the quick change barrel seemed to work pretty good for the MG's and a lot less cumbersome than water cooling Just Saiyan

    • @Gunfreak19
      @Gunfreak19 2 роки тому

      @@zsavage1820 it worked OK, but Germany was vastly overstretched and in a bunker, a water-cooled machine gun is superior in a defensive position where mobility isn't an issue. And Germany didn't have enough MG42s or MG43s to supply the entire Atlantic Wall, so the Mobile units got the air-cooled and the fixed defensive positions (at least some of them) got the older stuff. A machine guns is a machine gun. And the MG08 isn't very different from an Vickers what the British schlept along wherever they went.

  • @lord-REDACTED-
    @lord-REDACTED- 2 роки тому +2

    Who's crying about history now?