Could AC-130 Spectre Gunships Have Won The 2012 Siege Of Benghazi? (WarGames 26) | DCS
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As a guy on the ground that was supported by an AC130 THAT WAS AWESOME! If you can get a weapons operator station in DCS that can control the weapons you can really rock and roll!
I really wish it were possible. The gunships like to make a lot of noise just to the north of me as they do live fire exercises.
Agreed. AC-130 and A-10 Warthog. The infantrymen's best airborne friends and protectors
I had CAS from an F-4...
@@LunarPogo No love for the AH-64?
@@KG-gv1ds yes but ppl run when they hear those going off
I'm shocked and mildly disgusted at how efficiently GR completed this mission.
Go back and do it again but with large amounts of friendly fire and mid-air collisions, like God intended a GR mission to be.
Or maybe a bunch of A-10's. See if you guys can beat the AC-130 score.
No kidding. I was waiting for a collision during take-off, during the mission, or at least friendly fire. I guess thats a me problem.
I'm disgusted the U. S. State Department didn't even try to go GR on them in 2012.
@@hardware1197 They sacrificed their men as a cover up.
Yes Sir!
Do it again with Pucaras armed with guns and rocket. I bet at least one ambulance with an orfan is blown to pieces
Something a bit silly. AC130s vs AC130s, 105mm only, two or more teams of however many the server can cope with.
That is very funny.🤣
lol
The ultimate battle of asymmetry - I'm intrigued by this...
Yeah AC130 dogfights in the circle of death thing - hilarious!
YES AC130 THUNDERDOME. Alternating weapons between rounds 👍
I feel like just the sight of 6 AC-130's orbiting would be enough to scare them all away.
in real life no American base was ever overrun with ac-47 or ac-130 gunships flying overhead , thats how effective these things are
no I imagine not. just the sheer terror of having one overhead hosing the countryside with VERY large calibre weapons would intimidate most sane attackers
@@SuperAsdf21 when gunships were unavailable they sent just slick 130s to orbit and things stayed quiet
I was a dedicated crew chief on AC-130’s. I can say with 100% confidence that’s a single AC-130 would have decimated anybody attempting to infiltrate the compound.
I have no doubt if there was a Spooky on station and raining hell down on the attacking forces, our guys wouldn't have come home in boxes. Or at the very least not as many.
At least someone tried to save our people. Thanks!
Yyyyeah. I was super passionate about partaking in this one.
@@WyvernFalken Yeah you were lol
I was waiting for Hilary Clinton to shut down the server.
Maybe a bit touchy, but it would be interesting to see a "What if" the F-16's were allowed to come in and provide support in the same situation. They may not be as effective as the AC130's, it might be a good way to alleviate some rage.
@@fredflintstone8569 Her server was in a bathroom, as I recall.
Matrix was all over the smoke rockets! Great job by him!
Totally agree with this! Give that man a couple of minigun doorgunners and this would have been a clean sweep.
Those formation shots are really beautiful.
I love the shots from ground perspective and the soldiers just stand still
I appreciate the content - the siege of Bengazi was not lost - one of those cluster fuck missions when politics trump security. I was apart of the early missions hunting yellow cake and manpads - the future ambassador had nuts swinging to the floor; bc he believed he was the Mayor of Bengazi. He was wrong. FYI I never watched movie but that Posting and one other posting in the world knew very well there was zero support and zero Medvac; made clear during your 1st day on ground.I served in both posting - the other post was simultaneously attacked. MEDVAC was also not approved. Good day - I enjoy the simulations.
Sadly, I know what you mean. But it is the government that lets the military know what/where and when. The joy/heartache of signing up. Suck City on some ops :(
"Snafu or fubar? It does not matter! Take the bite out of whichever shit sandwich you want to eat! BUT REMEBER ! ! ! Such WILL be your orders. And please remember this . . . YOU can write your senator later about your grievances . . . " a quote from one of my Colonels many years ago. A very levelheaded guy who knew his job and led us extremely well
Hilary Clinton screwed everyone over
@@LunarPogo Glad you are here to tell it. TY
@@michaeltaylor8835 Hey, do not forget the inaction of the POTUS, OBAMA. The only one with the authority to induce military intervention.
The people on the ground did about as much (if not more) than anyone had any right to expect. What makes it even more frustrating is that Ambassador Stevens probably died from smoke inhalation. Had they moved position earlier they'd likely have escaped as the attackers didn't even seem to realise who he (Stevens) was when they found him unconscious later.
I remember this. I had just gotten back into EvE Online 8 or 10 months before this and had a toon in a corp allied with the GoonWaffe. One of the people who died in this attack known in game as "vile_rat" was a higher-up in the leadership of the Goons.
When it came out that he was one of those who died, we had a funeral procession around New Eden in memory of him which involved thousands if not tens of thousands of players across thousands of star systems. I had pretty much gotten burned out on the game again, but I logged in once more to participate.
I don't think I had any convos with "VR" personally, but from what I've read after the fact he was a player who had a real life impact on shaping EvE Online both before and after his death.
Eve player here as well. Errr Goons, but ill never forget the EVE community coming together during that period.
@@jjlanotte It was a complex political ecology EvE. I never got into it much more than, "here's a swath of nullsec I can romp through without getting popped".
What started with us being a mark for a protection racket turned into "membership" when we were complicit in the OTEC thing.
Yes I remember hearing one of them who died was Vile_rat. Thought he was part of Test though. Either way, that's actually one of the first ways I learned about the Benghazi attack. He was posting about how bad it was getting on the ground then I see it on the news. Completely preventable loss of life.
@@WyvernFalken He may have been with Test at some point. I know they participated in the procession as well; I'm almost positive we went through Test space at some point. It's crazy to think how it brought the community together to the point I could see systems I'd never seen before.
I totally agree about the preventability of the attack. The people at the embassy were saying weeks ahead that something was up. After the fact, it came out that some had specifically pointed to 9/11 as high-risk, IIRC.
Many years ago I saw a guy wearing a shirt with a picture of a Spectre on it. It said, "AC-130 Spectre" and "You can run, but you'll just die tired."
17:00 - "Hey Sarge! Maybe we should uhh....move?"
Makes my heart melt. What a platform. What a weapon. America I salute you.
You guys are awesome, you should do the famous Frozen Chosen battle from the Korean War. 12000 US Marines v. 200000 Chi Com’s
Obviously have to chop the numbers down to something the servers could handle, but YES! See if AC-130's could stop real human wave attacks and save the forward LP's.
The opening salvos shots alone made up for the no boom boom video. Well done GR
Thanks!
In reality, the surviving insurgents would run for the hills in soggy pants rather than try for the compound.
No, im afraid not.
In reality the US government would let its citizens die and try to cover it up quite successfully blaming the event on somthing an nebulous as a video made by an unrelated individual that, in reality,, had no effect on instigating the attack. In addition, for tribal reasons, a significant portion of the US population would be completely ok with this.
The insurgents would and did take the win.
That is possibly the most extreme case of mass kinetic energy poisoning I've ever seen. Spectacular stuff guys
its amazing what one single phone call in Washington could've done for those guys at the embassy
7:22 Props are rotating clockwise so apply oppisite torque to aircraft. Left main gear has greater contact patch and drag aircraft left. Happens in GA aeroplanes too. "Apply full power for takeoff, apply right rudder". Some multi-engined aircraft contra-rotate either side of centreline, but not all
One would think, if the attackers knew one of the Specters was orbiting the area, after they evacuated their bowels, they would make a fast exit from the area.
The American security contractors emptied plenty of their bowels, and head contents that night.
And after a quick wipe with the left hand. Tasteless? A bit..
I am impressed! No friendly fire kills! Well Done GR!
In the original Call of Duty 4:Modern Warfare there's a whole scene where an AC-130 defends a small group of SAS commandos against a swarm of infantry, technicals, and armoured vehicles.
Zombie Gunship Survival let you shoot things on your mobile.
All I know is that this scenario would be insane if you did it in ArmA 3, because it lets you aim with really good precision.
I'd LOVE to see these guys do a full sim in ArmA 3 with players on the ground and these guys in the air. Heck, it could be any scenario.
I didnt know you could fly AC-130s in DCS. That's awesome.
Pretty sure it's a mod
Easiest way to deal with them: Something fast, dropping a few JDAMs. Zoom, "boom"... stop for donuts on the way home. =;)
That's one brave helicopter pilot!
Very cool arial shots. About six months ago I saw a line of 22 C-130s flying very low over Rachel Nevada. It made me think of you. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to flying with you guys soon.
Absolutely great scenario! Great flying…. Great hunting!
AC-47's and AC-119's kept many bases from being overun in Vietnam. AC-130's were usually truck busting on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Awesome, can't wait for the mods to come.
NOW THIS IS EVEN BETTER DANGER CLOSE VERY WELL DONE GUYS WORTH THE WATCH .
Great video Cap. You and the boys did a great job as always.
The assets available would have won had they been ordered to go instead of stand down.
Air support would’ve saved lives, but the battle was won. The attackers were slaughtered.
In the words of the then secretary of state, when questioned after the fact on why the consolate was abandoned "what difference at this point does it make"
To think I used to work for these people.
*Great video!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!!*
Another great video! Thanks guys!
Never got to see the ac130 in action. But has plenty of CAS. I've mentioned this before probably on your videos. This was great. Another good flight by you guys. Keep doing what you do. I love these "what if" scenarios you come up with
A small demonstration on how effective and devastating AC130s can be in action.
Perhaps run an Operation Eagle Pull mission with a similar set-up? Does DCS have AC47 Spooky's capability?
Good to hear your voice again Cap! And yes, AC-130 and A-10C would have made the Benghazi siege a very easy situation to keep control of, heck even a couple of drones is all they really needed.
Awesome work 👍
16:00-16:10 Those enemy troops maintained EXCELLENT DISCIPLINE!!!
ugh...this brought back flashbacks of many long days and nights in the JOC in Vincenza.
Great vid! Enjoyed it very much.
brings a tear to my eye seeing my efforts bring about change in GR. cant wait to bring more for you guys!
Well done Gaming x
I love me some AC-130’S! Really good stuff guys. I vote for more, especially when the mod gets fixed
Loved it definitely gotta see more of those hc-130s in action
Distinct lack of "use your face" for a GR mission.
That said these could be useful for the D-day landing missions - guys on the beach would be toast
rgr
That is some awesome formation flying right that. RB
I am impressed with how well the server seemed to hold up with all that Freedom Fire raining down. Also, ( in snarky voice )We want to see the Moab drop Cap !
Wonderful show, but a couple of tactical grumbles if you don't mind.
1. You're not shooting King Kong on the skyscraper, so you don't need to get up close and personal for the cameras. Your weapons have a very long range, and the additional spread from distance will help your target coverage.
2. Granted, you said you hadn't done this before and it showed. I saw at least three times you nearly flew through another aircraft's weapon stream. Oopsie! Practice longer range orbits so you have spacing and don't need 60 degree attack angles. Stall = dead at those low altitudes.
Enjoyed it! Glad you had fun.
If one Specter Gunship was on location at the time, they would have defeated the attacking force altogether. Great job guys.
They wouldn’t want Specters, they would want Spooky II’s. As an interesting note, there were 2 U models on the runway ready to launch but was given a hold and stand down order
@@TraxxofAOT who give the stand down order?
My brother in law retired a lieutenant colonel navigator/ gunner from Spectator squadron . He started with two tours in Vietnam. Followed by his time splitting between Flordia and Ohio, all his time in Flordia with Spector . He told me he never fired a shot without three targeting systems locked onto the target.
Praise be come the day when DCS shall grant the gift of two players per AC-130. Just imagine the lethality of accurate gunning. And the targeting smoke/FAC, lovely, just lovely.
Request: ARCLIGHT, mua-ha-ha.
agree
@@grimreapers way to hump and thump
Won? Odd choice of words. A handful of American security contractors put a savage beatdown on an attacking force of over 400 a-holes. One of the greatest few-against-many last stands in history, right up there with Thermopylae, Bastogne and the Alamo. Those guys f-ed their s**t up proper. One lucky mortar hit at the end doesn’t change that.
Those flyby shots are KILLER!!!!!!!👍💣💣💥💥🔥🔥
multiple people in a gunship or bomber sounds like a really cool, yet daunting task for dcs. Will be cool to see if features like that come in future updates
They have it for helicopter gunships
Should actually be easier load than having an aircraft of their own
Probably THE best thing for this scenario would be some attack helicopter such as an AH-64 or a Mi-24 Hind or Mi-28 Havok or Ka-50/52. After these heavy attack helicopters, some helicopter gunship would be really good (Black Hawk or Huey, for example. But could be almost any heli with lots of guns strapped on to it.
Then something like a Super Tucano, or the Argentinian counterpart. Followed by Warbirds, and then finally A-10s.
Even a small handful of AH-6s would've been useful here...!
MH60L DAP's even
@@pancudowny Thought about mentioning them, but the comment was already like a wall of text LOL
The whole Benghazi debacle is a huge scar in our soul. No one went to prison (Hillary and Obama.)
that firehosing is mental
Thanks Killary!!
Hey Cap, someone has prob already told you, but a good method for reciprocal headings is “plus two, minus two”, or vice versa. ie heading 090, if you add 2 to the first digit and subtract 2 from the second digit, voila…270.
Thanks Peter, i MUST remember this
Someone needs to get the specs in for the P-61 black widow. Id love to see that bad girl ripping up the night in a raid.
Also an A-26K...A wish list, I know. (Ultimate wish list: Some A-26K in the battle of Minas Tirith?)
In real life an AC-130 would just fire a few shells behind the insurgents and it would kill a huge number of them. The insurgents would likely withdraw fairly quickly.
Most battles in history have had one side rout after taking more than 10% casualties (especially if they happen quickly). The morale shock can be devastating (especially for troops that have never seen combat before).
Once the AC130 is updated, do it again with one and a Predator UAV support. You'll still kill em all.
rgr
Their is a book written by a gun ship crew member one action described in the book is about drawing fire from anti aircraft pisotions in Vietnam, evading the fire then destroying the inplacment.
10:56 imagine being an enemy and seeing this coming towards you.
I've seen some videos from the gunships online at night, it's amazing how they work so well.
Credit where credit is due, that was fantastic! Well done boys, now RTB for cocktails and medals!
That was Great GR Crew
Excellent work as always. How about air support for operation market garden I.e. securing the the bridges for allied crossing and providing air support throughout, or coming up with your own operation for this. Thanks for the awesome content over the years guys.
AWESOME!!
I love the herc just as much as a tonka or typhoon. Awesome iconic aircraft, looks especially cool when you see them low level
Bengazi was the clusterfuck to end all clusterfucks.. I appreciate the recreation Cap, but !!!
Was good idea see enemy with MANPAD to see more action!!!😎👍
Most excellent fun. MOAB would be overkill but probably hilarious to watch. I'd like to see you wipe them out with Armour just for a change.
Good mission
In Vietnam any base that had "puff the magic dragon" overhead was never over run. Never.
Fantastic mate! Though I feel like 5 gunships with only a single actually firing would have changed the entire movie of 13 hours, and rewrote how that history played out entirely.
One of these over East River range was loud, five would have bought down the mountain.
Cap they had F16's at Aviano Italy ready to go. Were prevented from flying by Clinton / G Soros Gang. Would be cool to see you do this mission with F16's.
Ya, amazing clinton didn't face the firing squad for this.
im reading 13 hours right now and the offical word was a lack of mid air refueling for the f16's kept them on the ground. truth is that the diplomatic outpost should have been closed and the cia annex shouldve been disguised better if they were going to keep doing their thing.
Unlike the simulation, the compound is in urbanized area, an airstrike would caused to too much collateral damage and maybe been too late. It is seems to me that whole endeavor was poorly planned. It doesn't make sense to place a high profile State Department official in a war zone with inadequate security. Stevens should have resigned instead on going to Benghazi with that plan.
AC 130 support at Rorke's drift.
Also need to remember, the forces attacking did so only because they believed they had superior numbers. I believe once the first group was slaughtered they would have given up.
It’s likely the first group was slaughtered eventually when they attacked the Annex. Along with the second and third waves. They got their arses kicked.
All AC’s clockwise pattern perimeter of compound, would enemy elements from advancing and prevent firing into it.
A little surprised at how well you guys TCB. Considering the state of the -130 right now
This is the Nascar race of battles... Just a bunch of left turns
I kept expecting the Huey to get shot down (either by AK or friendly fire) or for Cap to fly into someone's stream of fire (he was flying pretty low).
VERY tough Huey
If they did use AC-130 gunships.It would’ve made the movie so much better!
That was fun, and it made me wonder- can you combine two of your subjects and do this flight of AC-130's attacking Pearl Harbor? Not stopping the Japanese, but actually doing the attack yourselves in AC-130's? Might be very effective.
Would have been cool to see the rocket assist takeoffs in the C130's :)
And an Elephant Walk with these before the mission.
I saw this at a Blue Angels airshow back when they still did it. It was really impressive.
Yeh was bugged in replay file :(
@@grimreapers bummer still great video .. loved it..
Shiny aluminium finish looks great.
Love that chrome skin.
A good use of the AC-130 mod would be in a Vietnam scenario with defense of a firebase.
Why? Well back then they had the AC-47, a DC-3 with Miniguns that were operated in this fashion that you are currently doing in this mission, basically the pilot flying orbits and aiming over his left shoulder.
No Howitzers or heavy autocannons present, but that will be the benefit for GR to have :D
Now I want to try this in ArmA 3 where the AC-130 is properly implemented (aimable weapons, FLIR, and all.) It even has autopilot that will orbit for you so you can use the weapons in single player.
12:48 the MOAB would've burst the eardrums of everyone in the Embassy
When the apache is released this might be the ideal situation for it
this was a good battle!
That's a victory. If you kill that percentage of an opposing force they'll either stop dead or break and run.
I'd like to see the AC-130 in Mogadishu (once it's finished that is).
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