Unfortunately it doesn’t live up to the hype. The trigger was terrible. I’m not sure why but at $1,700 to $3,000, that alone is unacceptable. I also question its long term durability. I’d really like to see some hard use testing. I get the impression parts breakages are going to be a thing and when you have a gun full of proprietary parts, that is a problem. It reminds me of the Hudson pistols, lots of marketing, not much substance.
How is this a game changer ? Is it much different or better than Sig 226/229 SAO ? Or how bout the just released Beretta 92 xi ? CZ P07/P09 with the SAO Omega trigger ? Cool looking gun ? Yes Game changer ? I think not.
Their compact model at 4.25in wouldn’t be bad to carry! Excited to see if they can go even smaller in the future without compromising too much on reliability or deviating too far from the 2011 pattern
i saw their price sheet on another channel, the compact (4.25" barrel) is $1700 polymer and $2000 for the aluminum elite; the combat (5" barrel) is $2200 polymer and $2600 for the aluminum elite; the competition is $3000, only 1 model of that.
We need a comparison review between this and the DWX, since they’re such similar ideas. 1911 trigger system with a modern duty pistol magazine system. Really hoping this spawns a completely new market segment of hybrid 1911/X-style guns
The weak point for me on the 1911 double stack design is the insane mag prices and Oracle has sovled that. I am very interested for sure. Thank you for going series 70 and no grip safety.
Let me say that this gun looks amazing and will probably be an awesome firearm. I plan on buying one when they become available. I am being critical of the company because it needs work. Their presentation to the public seems lacking. Their website was blank on the first day of Shot Show which is a big no no in 2023. Your website is your company and if yours is blank it doesn't inspire confidence(they did update it with an info sheet but that still a bit underwhelming). They said Initially on day one of the show they would be launching in May, but now it's late May early June according to them as stated in another video from their booth. They've said that what we are looking at is a 95 percent finished prototype. So you mean to tell me that you are gonna finish the prototype, finalize all the design elements, start manufacturing and assembly; all while having a reasonable number of guns to sell when you officially start selling this gun by May or June. I'm not saying it's not possible but the cumulation of statements made in all the videos I've watched make it seem like they are flying by the seat of their pants rather than having a development timeline. Not to make a pun but don’t shoot yourself in the foot by not being realistic with your possible new customers. If the gun isn’t going to be available till november to the mass of people that really want to buy your product then just say that. No one would be upset waiting but if you tell us late May early June and don’t deliver it's another story. I want them to succeed and regardless of me being keyboard warrior say all this on the internet I’m sure they will. Hopefully I can provide some no bullshit honest feedback though..
@coles.1524 no doubt about that. Been waiting for the DWX for years disappointed there's no compact model ready to go like this company. Either way nice to see more in this space.
Also at SHOT show, Amend2 and Strike Industries announced they'll be making P320 magazines, polymer from Amend2 and steel from Strike. Hopefully they're decent, P320 mags are cheaper than a 2011 mag, but they could still stand to be more affordable.
I definitely don't hate it. Take the excellent 1911 trigger and overall form factor and dump basically all the other legacy stuff for modern setups. Plus with SIG mags I could see some mil adoption.
I love ALMOST everything about this. Common magazine compatibility (obviously we’d all prefer Glock mags, but p320 mags are solid, widely available, still MUCH cheaper than 2011 mags and are likely to drop in price as more people get into making them), simplified takedown, fully ambidextrous, optics ready (kind of a given in 2023, but still good to see they’re not foregoing it), eliminating the grip safety, the potential to use a standard 2011 slide on their lower (though I’m a bit wary of that “with a bit of work” part), all terrific decisions IMHO. The points I’m more iffy on- the price (granted, it’s in the double stack 1911 segment of the market, so it’s not crazy, but for a newcomer we’ve never heard of, with unknown quality control and reliability… I’m a bit hesitant) and proprietary parts (they were smart enough to keep the trigger standard, but I still prefer the flexibility of standardized parts for replacement or repair. And hopefully on a $1700+ gun, the trigger is good enough that most of us wouldn’t WANT to change it). Fingers crossed the launch goes well and they’re well made. It has strong potential to be a GREAT pistol (definitely the product I’m most interested in from SHOT show so far) and if this is any indication of what Oracle brings to the table, I hope this is a huge success for them. I’d love to see what else they can do down the road. But we’ll see what reviews say when it comes out.
P320 mags are much better than Glock mags. The only reason why people like Glock mags is because it’s cheap and you can find them for $20. P320 mags cost around $50, still expensive but way cheaper than 2011 mags.
Love the simple takedown. My biggest dislike of 1911's is the non captive spring and locking lug setup. I hope more companies start to offer 1911 with this more simple and modern setup.
I hope this catches on That or they make one that uses beretta mags! 2011 mags cost way too dam much. Also the ambi controls are awesome. I just wish it wasn’t so dam expensive because this is a awesome development
@@m.w.2401 magazines are consistently the number 1 cause of malfunctions with 2011s. Ditching the goofy design parameters of them is the best thing you can do with the platform
Why does everyone hate grip safeties so much? If you're holding the pistol in such a fucked up way that you can't actuate the grip safety, how do you expect to make decent shots in the first place?
These seem like they could be really good guns. They’re based around a reliable magazine design. The interchangeable polymer and aluminum grip modules sound cool. If the guns work reliably, they could be some serious competition for Staccato. One of the biggest complaints you see with 2011’s is the magazines. The magazines don’t run reliably and they’re hella expensive. This could be a solution to that problem. The price tiers are good too. Now, all they have to do is make sure they make the guns available and produce enough to meet demand and they’ll be golden.
Since they were changing the mechanism to break down the pistol why couldn’t they have made it a captive pin so if you were field stripping you don’t run the risk of misplacing that retention pin. Also add about the 57 second mark, there’s a view of the pistol with the slide locked back. The barrel seems really straight for a 1911. Does it not use the browning tilting barrel operating model?
For those who like the 320 grip, this should be a hit but if you're used to and like the 1911/2011 grip, it's a miss. Linkless 1911's are softer to shoot than linked so that's a plus. It is good to see new designs in the market regardless.
Would've been nice with a bull barrel to add a bit of more weight to the front muzzle area due to the fact judging by what is viewed on the videos, she jumps (recoils) quite a bit...
I have heard that the 5" has some issues due to the slide weight and recoil spring (I could be wrong). I think the short barreled ones are better, but still not there. Honest Outlaw seemed to have a few problems, but it could be just because it was an early production handgun
@@sergeantwolf8018 I think they’ve determined that the problems have been the magazines. I decided to roll the dice on a 4.25” and immediately bought a couple staccato magazines. It’s been flawless with those mags on everything from cheapy 115 grain steel to hot nato ammo to 150 grain subs.
LOVE the lack of a grip safety. I never really understood why there aren't more 1911/2011 without one. Porpably because people who don't like it usually just take a CZ. But i find it even more useless than the AR forward assist.
I can see your teeth chattering man. Thanks for your dedication to get us this awesome content. Dude i love the fact they did away with that damn grip saftey.
In this interview he didn't talk about the debris channel/ relief cuts internally. Suppossedly it will make the gun more reliable in the face of dirt and muck and grime and carbon build up
I've been bellyaching about lack of innovation for a year, I stand corrected. 1911 best platform in my opinion 112 years straight especially for those of us who aren't professional marksmen, if this shoots like one I may have to risk divorce and pick one up.
It can be a game changer but not at that price--make a basic model, no slide cuts, modified Wilson Combat grip module, and charge it affordably. As it is I'm more excited for the mags lol
I really hope this pistol turns out to be very good. This thing has the potential to be a game changer.
Unfortunately it doesn’t live up to the hype. The trigger was terrible. I’m not sure why but at $1,700 to $3,000, that alone is unacceptable. I also question its long term durability. I’d really like to see some hard use testing. I get the impression parts breakages are going to be a thing and when you have a gun full of proprietary parts, that is a problem. It reminds me of the Hudson pistols, lots of marketing, not much substance.
How is this a game changer ?
Is it much different or better than Sig 226/229 SAO ?
Or how bout the just released Beretta 92 xi ?
CZ P07/P09 with the SAO Omega trigger ?
Cool looking gun ? Yes
Game changer ?
I think not.
Lol. Username checks out.
Yea,and it’s gonna cost a fortune!
Lol what about it is a game changer?
Good thing it's ambidextrious, I was worried it would just be regular ambidextrous.
Annoys the shit out of me.
No need to go nuculer dude..
@@frankfreda8570 AAAAAAAA
Thank you. Immediately looked for this comment.
@Oracle Arms the gun's pretty cool to be fair lol
This is actually a solid concept. Hope it works out. I’d like one for sure
You can't have a TFB james video without a gun over $1500
That’s what some of us are shopping for.
When your cheap guns break when you need them you’ll wish you bought that H&K or B&T.
@@MrMann-gt1eh rather take my chances with the FN 545 45 ACP 18 magazine handgun that’s $1100
Imagine being poor 🥳
@@parttimecripple H&Ks customer service is top notch, and H&Ks don’t “brake” cars and trucks brake.
Those Oracle offerings look amazing. Once durability and dependability are proven, I would definately add one to the top of my must have guns.
The Oracle 2311 is by far the best pistol that has debuted so far in 2023. I want this more than the STI 2011.
I really hope this catches on. They seem to be working real hard to promote this. I hope they get into smaller carry options.
Their compact model at 4.25in wouldn’t be bad to carry! Excited to see if they can go even smaller in the future without compromising too much on reliability or deviating too far from the 2011 pattern
$1,700-$3k. That is a big range in price. Looks awesome though and would definitely like to try it out. 👍
$1.7-$3k is the range of the line. The polymer models are expect to be under $2k whereas the high end competition model is expected to retail at $3k.
i saw their price sheet on another channel, the compact (4.25" barrel) is $1700 polymer and $2000 for the aluminum elite; the combat (5" barrel) is $2200 polymer and $2600 for the aluminum elite; the competition is $3000, only 1 model of that.
It is not a bad deal, especially if you already have plenty of 320 mags to spare. This could be my first 1911, seems like an attractive option.
considering theyre targeting the staccato consumer, this price isnt bad.
Standard prices for high end options these days.
I hope they finish this project. The samples were promising.
We need a comparison review between this and the DWX, since they’re such similar ideas. 1911 trigger system with a modern duty pistol magazine system. Really hoping this spawns a completely new market segment of hybrid 1911/X-style guns
The weak point for me on the 1911 double stack design is the insane mag prices and Oracle has sovled that. I am very interested for sure. Thank you for going series 70 and no grip safety.
Let me say that this gun looks amazing and will probably be an awesome firearm. I plan on buying one when they become available. I am being critical of the company because it needs work. Their presentation to the public seems lacking. Their website was blank on the first day of Shot Show which is a big no no in 2023. Your website is your company and if yours is blank it doesn't inspire confidence(they did update it with an info sheet but that still a bit underwhelming). They said Initially on day one of the show they would be launching in May, but now it's late May early June according to them as stated in another video from their booth. They've said that what we are looking at is a 95 percent finished prototype. So you mean to tell me that you are gonna finish the prototype, finalize all the design elements, start manufacturing and assembly; all while having a reasonable number of guns to sell when you officially start selling this gun by May or June. I'm not saying it's not possible but the cumulation of statements made in all the videos I've watched make it seem like they are flying by the seat of their pants rather than having a development timeline. Not to make a pun but don’t shoot yourself in the foot by not being realistic with your possible new customers. If the gun isn’t going to be available till november to the mass of people that really want to buy your product then just say that. No one would be upset waiting but if you tell us late May early June and don’t deliver it's another story. I want them to succeed and regardless of me being keyboard warrior say all this on the internet I’m sure they will. Hopefully I can provide some no bullshit honest feedback though..
Aaaaaand my Staccato purchase has just paused
When the DWX has immediate competition lol. Good for them.
Except the DWX is coming from a bigger and more reputable company.
@coles.1524 no doubt about that. Been waiting for the DWX for years disappointed there's no compact model ready to go like this company. Either way nice to see more in this space.
I’d take the dwx over this any day
@@coles.1524 …out of NY. They won’t be getting my money until they move.
Pretty cool update to the 1911, its a true step forward in many ways I think.
What a nice concept. Oracle won me over with this design. I want one.
Also at SHOT show, Amend2 and Strike Industries announced they'll be making P320 magazines, polymer from Amend2 and steel from Strike. Hopefully they're decent, P320 mags are cheaper than a 2011 mag, but they could still stand to be more affordable.
James looks like he is having alcohol withdrawal. Get this man a white claw
🤣🤣🤣
Okay, this. This right here is my Shot Show 2023 Want
I definitely don't hate it. Take the excellent 1911 trigger and overall form factor and dump basically all the other legacy stuff for modern setups. Plus with SIG mags I could see some mil adoption.
I actually really like this. I hope it's reliable and comes out at a decent price.
2311 was my kick ass MOS in the Corps "field ammunition technician"
Awesome looking gun. Looking forward to this one.
The price point is amazing, this will be a fine addition to my collection
Thanks for covering this
I love ALMOST everything about this. Common magazine compatibility (obviously we’d all prefer Glock mags, but p320 mags are solid, widely available, still MUCH cheaper than 2011 mags and are likely to drop in price as more people get into making them), simplified takedown, fully ambidextrous, optics ready (kind of a given in 2023, but still good to see they’re not foregoing it), eliminating the grip safety, the potential to use a standard 2011 slide on their lower (though I’m a bit wary of that “with a bit of work” part), all terrific decisions IMHO.
The points I’m more iffy on- the price (granted, it’s in the double stack 1911 segment of the market, so it’s not crazy, but for a newcomer we’ve never heard of, with unknown quality control and reliability… I’m a bit hesitant) and proprietary parts (they were smart enough to keep the trigger standard, but I still prefer the flexibility of standardized parts for replacement or repair. And hopefully on a $1700+ gun, the trigger is good enough that most of us wouldn’t WANT to change it).
Fingers crossed the launch goes well and they’re well made. It has strong potential to be a GREAT pistol (definitely the product I’m most interested in from SHOT show so far) and if this is any indication of what Oracle brings to the table, I hope this is a huge success for them. I’d love to see what else they can do down the road. But we’ll see what reviews say when it comes out.
P320 mags are much better than Glock mags. The only reason why people like Glock mags is because it’s cheap and you can find them for $20. P320 mags cost around $50, still expensive but way cheaper than 2011 mags.
"Hey guys it's James with Truly Freezing Balls TV"
The oracle looks into the future. The oracle says make the purchase.
I want one of these. I was so disappointed with the Springfield Prodigy. I have so many 320 mags too. Though you know that price is going to be steep.
As a lefty this is awesome!!!
Say it with me everyone...
AMBI-DEX-TRUSS
not AMBI-DEX-TREE-US
Thats your lesson for the day.
Lol
Finally, a 2011 for left-handed shooters
Stop being left handed
More of this. The Sig M17 mag needs to become the universal standard nao.
How long till the longslide with a threaded barrel comes out??
I like it. Can’t wait to see some reviews.
I hope it ends up being as good as it looks. And it looks cool.
Weird thing to admire I know but the little music sting on the 5.11 intro is so sick
Love the simple takedown. My biggest dislike of 1911's is the non captive spring and locking lug setup. I hope more companies start to offer 1911 with this more simple and modern setup.
Bull barrel and there are guide rod options out there for 1911s for these features. They are more prevalent on 2011/double stack 9 mil guns.
Will any models be steel frame and slide or only aluminum?
I’d like to see a comparison video with oracle and Vudoo’s double stack 9
I hope this catches on
That or they make one that uses beretta mags!
2011 mags cost way too dam much.
Also the ambi controls are awesome.
I just wish it wasn’t so dam expensive because this is a awesome development
So it's fixed the issue with 2011's having piss poor magazines. It's intriguing
They don't if you actually bother to get good ones.
@@m.w.2401 magazines are consistently the number 1 cause of malfunctions with 2011s. Ditching the goofy design parameters of them is the best thing you can do with the platform
Why does everyone hate grip safeties so much? If you're holding the pistol in such a fucked up way that you can't actuate the grip safety, how do you expect to make decent shots in the first place?
These seem like they could be really good guns. They’re based around a reliable magazine design. The interchangeable polymer and aluminum grip modules sound cool. If the guns work reliably, they could be some serious competition for Staccato. One of the biggest complaints you see with 2011’s is the magazines. The magazines don’t run reliably and they’re hella expensive. This could be a solution to that problem. The price tiers are good too. Now, all they have to do is make sure they make the guns available and produce enough to meet demand and they’ll be golden.
I hope they come out with a version that looks more like a normal 2011
How many syllables are in the word ambidextrous?
Four. Aka one fewer than a lot of people think.
Ambidexteriousnessed
Since they were changing the mechanism to break down the pistol why couldn’t they have made it a captive pin so if you were field stripping you don’t run the risk of misplacing that retention pin. Also add about the 57 second mark, there’s a view of the pistol with the slide locked back. The barrel seems really straight for a 1911. Does it not use the browning tilting barrel operating model?
This is what I'm excited for most
Someone please tell this man ambidextrious isn't a word
Looks awesome 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
A 2011 with Sig mags that takes down like a CZ 75? Sounds interesting.
I like it all but the price think it was 2k to 3k depending on model, but I’m hoping it brings some change to the 2011 market of guns.
No threaded barrel options?
@Oracle Arms Then this will hopefully be the best gun of 2023. I can't wait to get one.
Lots of info there. Would love to see a slower, more detailed description, specs, etc.
You can't have a TFB james video with a gun less than $1500...
Now this is a "2011 style setup that I could get behind.
For those who like the 320 grip, this should be a hit but if you're used to and like the 1911/2011 grip, it's a miss. Linkless 1911's are softer to shoot than linked so that's a plus. It is good to see new designs in the market regardless.
Does it have an ambidextrous trigger?
I'm glad this gun is so _ambidextrious_ , but is that giant magwell removable?
I'll be happy to be a test mule if Oracle needs some outside perspective.
Sign me up!
Wonder how it compares to staccato..
"Can we get more Dugan Ashley videos?"
"No, We have Dugan at home"
Dugan at home:
Hope this thing works. Bc this the only 1911 I would ever buy
Wish they went with glock mags since you can get 140mm mags super cheap, but sig mags are still cheaper than MBX 2011 mags.
Glock mags won’t work. Too far up top
Would've been nice with a bull barrel to add a bit of more weight to the front muzzle area due to the fact judging by what is viewed on the videos, she jumps (recoils) quite a bit...
Cool to see a IT Cloud Infrastructure company getting into firearms.
Woah, is that a fixed cam path on a 1911 barrel?
Beautiful looking guns. I'm still looking at them Springfield prodigy though.
I have heard that the 5" has some issues due to the slide weight and recoil spring (I could be wrong). I think the short barreled ones are better, but still not there. Honest Outlaw seemed to have a few problems, but it could be just because it was an early production handgun
@@sergeantwolf8018 I think they’ve determined that the problems have been the magazines. I decided to roll the dice on a 4.25” and immediately bought a couple staccato magazines. It’s been flawless with those mags on everything from cheapy 115 grain steel to hot nato ammo to 150 grain subs.
@@coles.1524 That's good to know
Worth the investment for sure
Oh cool, an ambi slide stop! Now I can not reach the slide release with my left hand too!
LOVE the lack of a grip safety. I never really understood why there aren't more 1911/2011 without one. Porpably because people who don't like it usually just take a CZ. But i find it even more useless than the AR forward assist.
I can see your teeth chattering man. Thanks for your dedication to get us this awesome content. Dude i love the fact they did away with that damn grip saftey.
Sounds like a 2011 but without all the things that I don’t like about 2011s. Appealing.
pretty cool but i perfer my gun to have rear sights and a red dot. that looks like you have to remove the rear sights to put on the red dot.
@Oracle Arms except there are no rear sights on that gun. there's a front sight and a red dot.
@Oracle Arms how queer. okay I checked out your website, I see what you're saying now. I'm now interested in these.
In this interview he didn't talk about the debris channel/ relief cuts internally. Suppossedly it will make the gun more reliable in the face of dirt and muck and grime and carbon build up
A great video and a nice pistol too it seems.
Wait no steel frame?
wait, nvm I see it. Steel frame on the top model... $2,999 lol.
This guy is definitely wearing a tactical banana hammock. The other guy is trying to sell us a gun. 🤨
Calibers? I'm assuming just 9mm to start. But 320 is in 10 and 45 now?
I've been bellyaching about lack of innovation for a year, I stand corrected. 1911 best platform in my opinion 112 years straight especially for those of us who aren't professional marksmen, if this shoots like one I may have to risk divorce and pick one up.
On my wish list...I'm so glad someone made a 2011 with no grip safety
A cheap 9mm double stack 1911 that uses Beretta 92 magazines would be interesting.
Cool shit ain’t cheap, cheap shit ain’t cool.
@@TheLazyLabrador high point yc9. and the 10mm they lovingly call the "yc10"
Beretta made a 92 SAO now with the vertec grip and frame safety
@@Bigbigpoopi 92XI
YESSS
What a Frankenstein masterpiece.
10mm??
I dig it.
Ambi-DEX-TROUS
Ambidextrous. Dextrous. Dexterity. Having dexterity with both hands.
I'm kinda interested to see a 1911 slide on this thing
Finally a 1911 I can get behind.
This is a big leap if they make it reliable (and I don’t see why it wouldn’t be)
Holy crap I was wondering why this had not happened
Looks dope asf
Doesn't look like James without the short shorts.
So there's a 1911, a 2011, and now a Sig P32011
James wears shorts and then complains that it’s cold.
Polymer lower .. compact … 70 series trigger group …320 mags
Street $1300 …
They will sell
Interested except in CA
It can be a game changer but not at that price--make a basic model, no slide cuts, modified Wilson Combat grip module, and charge it affordably. As it is I'm more excited for the mags lol
Is this gun a DA/SA? 1911 are just SA guns right?
Y'all just out Staccato'd Staccato