Although Prussia would be a separate state in this alternate history scenario, many people would know that Prussia - like Austria - would basically be just another unofficial German state. Meaning a BUNCH of people from Germany will likely one way or another move to Prussia, because of ancestors or the likes. And even if not move there, a whole lot of Germans would atleast visit Prussia every year and admire the state. Edit: Thanks for 300+ likes!
Also a lot of Prussians would probably move to Germany or other German speaking countries because they would be richer and you would have more opportunities there.
The glorious renaissance of Prussian culture. Based. It always pained me to see the once beautiful medieval German city reduced to rubble and rebuilt in the brutal, lifeless image of a Soviet city. It is concrete evidence of Nazism's crimes against German culture. Nazism tainted Germany's Prussian Heritage by intertwining their perverse movement with something so proud and glorious. It is beautiful to see Prussia, Prussian. Like their Austrian brothers, may they stay proud of their culture and safeguard it.
Apparently, there’s a growing appreciation of Prussian culture amongst the inhabitants of Kaliningrad. I learned it from a stream I watched yesterday. Although, it was in the chat, not the stream itself. P.S. A great channel for Traditional European Architecture is The Aesthetic City. Give them a look-see. 👍
Reminds me of Tolkien’s thoughts on German culture, similar to the way you mentioned it. The beauty of the north German identity and it being hijacked by the n*azis.
Kaliningrad has taken it upon itself to restore much of the prussian architecture and culture that was destroyed in the war and subsequently after post war reconstruction. Granted its gonna take a while and it will never be as it once was but the prussian heritage and history will never be erased. Königsberg Cathedral was successfully restored from 1992 to 1998, in a joint Russian-German project for example
Из-за вас погибли 27 миллионов советских человек, это гораздо хуже чем потеря земли и бегство на запад, мы бы могли поступить так же как ваши предки по отношению к СССР, но варварами автор называет почему-то именно нас. Калининградская область никогда не станет немецкой. Калининградская область, это напоминание немцам и другим народам что не нужно никогда нападать на Россию.
@@Smokrylioif you were born in that place at that time, suffered the same experiences and woes. You would have voted for them as well. It’s easy enough to judge others from the past through a modern lense. They didn’t have our modern outlook back then nor our foresight.
Finally, a video of Prussian independence that goes into detail about how, why, and the future then on. It was a beautiful video, I enjoyed watching the entire thing! I also love the detail that Prussia does not become militaristic, but rather becoming a neutral country. I absolutely love the detail you put into these videos! I also enjoy the map, I’m a big fan of it for sure! Is there anyway I can have access to these maps? I’d love to make my own scenarios, and the rivers on the map could help a ton! Either way, amazing work, keep it up!
3:47 there actually were High AND Low Prussian dialects in eastern Prussia. So integration wouldn't be a problem for the northern Low German part of Prussia.
@@KiraiKatsuji Low Prussian was literally the more dominant one. And in addition to that it was the most noticable transition between High and Low German in the entirety of Germany since the southern settlers were mostly High Germans, whilst the northern settlers were Low Germans. That all means you would not be having a smooth transition and could quite clearly hear the difference when crossing the Uerdinger Linie.
I remember reading your video proposal (I read the beginning and end. I skimmed the middle. It was long) I thought it was great! I'm glad it got implemented!
I feel like this scenario is hella underrated because it doesn’t change world history much at all, but it’s beautiful to see a surviving Prussia in modern day, returned back to how they started as a small Baltic state. I wrote my own scenario similar to this, but Prussia is the only SSR to violently rebel against the Soviets for independence, and they stay a Republic.
Neat and optimistic look on a syncretic nation. Would be curious if the Soviets would deport others to Prussia (i.e. Crimean Tatars, etc) in order to further minimize German influence..
What if marathas united India? In this alternate timeline, marathas win the Third battle of Panipat due to the maratha army not taking pilgrims with them which slowed and restricted their movements. They also managed to ally with other hindu kingdoms and with the sikhs and their army is more competently lead in battle. The afghans lose the battle in a decisive and disastrous manner with Ahemed shah Durrani being slain in the battle. So this leads to marathas securing a huge chunk of north India. Since the empire was already quite overextended so next ten years from 1761 to 1771 or 1772 ( which in our timeline, marathas spent in reconsolidating their previous holdings and resurrecting their empire) is spent in consolidating their newly acquired territories and expanding even further. In this alternate timeline, Madhav rao the first also does not contact tuberculosis while campaigning against Hyder Ali and continues to fight regional wars against the kings of Deccan as well as the british. Soon from his alliance with France, he gets to know about the fate of the native americans and how they were wiped out of their own lands. So to not wanting to see the Indian Subcontinent suffer a similar or even worse fate, he with the help of France, starts to massively modernise the army and begins to once again invest in the maratha navy like the founder of the maratha empire, Chhatrapati Shivanji Maharaj the Great did when he laid the foundation of the maratha empire. He also forms an military alliance with nizam of hydrabad and Mysore which then extends to the kingdom of Travancore. Soon states like the kingdom of Oudh, the Sikh empire, the kingdoms of Nepal, kingdom of Ahom, the Rajputana states and many other kingdoms and chieftains join this secret alliance.The Mughal empire which now was basically a puppet to any superpower in the region and which now only controled the regions of Delhi would be now forced to accept this proposal. This alliance would also be joined by the sons of the deposed Sultan of Bengal in hopes of retaking their lost throne.This alliance would then further extended to kingdoms like the Durrani empire of Afhganistan, the kingdom of Sindh and many north eastern kingdoms and tribes. The purpose of this alliance is to to restrict the control and then ultimate removal of all foreign powers from the Subcontinent.When the third Anglo-Mysore war begins, the alliance is ratified and the war soon this regional war escalates into a war where all the Indian states are united to fight the british. This is approximately at the same time when the French revolution occurs and the coalition wars began. After several Years of fighting in 1809 the British are completely pushed out of Indian Subcontinent. Soon this alliance paves the way for a united Indian government. This new government resembles the government of Imperial Germany but with a major change. While in imperial Germany, there was one Emperor whole was the first among equals and was followed by the different kings and princes of other german states. Here there will be two Emperors instead of one. One being the Maratha Peshwa ( or the peshwa-i-hind ) and the Mughal Emperor ( or shenshah-i-hind ). The Maratha peshwa would reside in the city of Poona while the Mughal Emperor would reside in the city of Delhi. However all the power will be under the Maratha Peshwa. It will seize all the territories held by the British including regions like Ceylon and Burma. Soon it wil make an deal and alliance with France in which France will cede all of its remaining territories in Subcontinent to the Hindustan confederation in exchange of alot of economic consessions and other benefits. This is the type of diplomacy Hindustan confederation tries with the Portuguese as well but when this plan fails, Hindustan confederation quickly invdes Goa, Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and Diu, quickly secures it and gets rid of all colonial influence by May 10th 1857 when Europe recognizes the Hindustan confederation as a legitimate government. Initially France would be Hindustan confederation's greatest ally. Hindustan confederation follows a path of industrialization along the line of the japanese model of 'Japanese spirit, Western technology'. As soon as Hindustan confederation becomes industrialized enough to expand even further, they are met with their two rivals, Great Britain with whom they would wrestle over to gain the Supreme control over the Indian ocean and with Russia with whom Hindustan confederation would have massive border skirmishes and disputes over the central asia region. This would culminate into the Indo-russian war of 1874 inwhich Hindustan confederation with massive support from France would defeat the russians because the Russian Empire would still be going through a complete army rehaul after their loss in the Crimean war. This would propel the nascent Hindustan confederation into one of the world's leading powers akin to what happened to Japan after their victory against the russians. As the Second French Empire collapses and Imperial Germany rises, Hindustan confederation begins to allign itself more and more with the teutons as the French begin to align themselves with the British and the Russians. So, when world war 1 starts in 1914, Hindustan confederation quickly joins the central powers. This alternate world war ends in a complete failure for the entente as without India, Great Britain just doesn't have the resources, funds and manpower needed to fight such a long grueling war while the Hindustan confederation opens up a new front not only for the british but to most importantly against the russians. This leafs to central power victory in 1917 as Russia collapses much faster and the british just are not able to cope with fighting the war on so many different fronts. Hindustan would annex several European colonies in the Indian ocean and Indo-pacific region and would gain the Supremacy of the Indian ocean. Hindustan confederation would play a massive role in the following Russian civil war where it would annex a lot of territories and would turn rest of central asia in a bunch of puppet buffer states. In the 1920's and 1930's, it begins to ally itself with Japan as both nations together would invade, conquer and split china in 1936. During this alternate world war 2, Hindustan confederation amd Japan would jointly invade and carve up the European colonies as they would would be busy fighting each other and together they would participate in this alternate operation Barbarossa with Japan invading from the east and Hindustan confederation striking from the south. They would together crave out asia between themselvesa and now with sizable asia under their control and with the support of the Hindustan confederation, Japan wins the war of Pacific against the USA. After some 20 years of peace on the Asian continent, the Japanese empire would begin to collapse due to overextension ad due to continously rebellions by the subdued populations. Hindustan confederation would support such rebellions as it would further spread the Hindustani influence all across the Asian continent.As the Japanese empire collapses on itself, Hindustan confederation takes it's place as the Supreme power of the Asian continent.
With no Kaliningrad Oblast, the Russians can't cut off the Baltic States from the rest of Europe. I assume the Russians would be more careful in this timeline because of it.
@@oooshafiqooo Nah if things go mostly like they did here the war would still happen, but with more careful managment need from russia and less from the west
Thanks for this video. It certainly feels like a love letter to European civilization, even though it is talking about Prussia. The horrors and the suffering of the past has made Europeans have a trauma response to their own history. Through suffering and hardship we learn. And by considering the beauty of it, as well as the bad that’s happened we learn from our past and by such we open the door to our future
yeah, it was supposed to be a positive script to Germanic civilization and be positive for the future of Europe, showing that people can come together during hardships and grow stronger because of it
@@Videntis.HistoryКалининградская область - Российская земля, всё современное население области русские. Немцы убили 27 миллионов советских граждан. За это мы заслуженно отобрали Пруссию, как напоминание что нельзя лезть на Россию.
What happened to the rest of the Germans east of the Oder River in Poland? Were they deported to Germany like in real life or were they allowed to stay in Poland as a large minority group?
@@oooshafiqooomany Germans trying to escape soviet control for autonomy, and also geographically east Prussia is further away from most of the populated German areas
I find this one really interesting because I rarely see many scenarios that leads to east Prussia staying with Germany or being a part of something like this
East Prussia could stay german but without Danzig, Varmia, Masuria and Lithuania Minor. And if not that Poland would get Lusatia, Lebus and Frontal Pomerania.
The founder of modern Germany is Brandenburg, not Prussia. Brandenburg has got the Prussian identity as a "law backdoor" to get the crown for its ruler, because Brandenburg itself, as a part of HRE, couldn't be a kingdom.
Kaliningrad is proper Preußen German territory. Its biggest city was the ancient Teutonic city, and Preußen capitol of Königsberg. The communists ruined the eastern German culture.
Apparently by the end of the USSR, Gorbachev actually offered Kaliningrad (Northern East Prussia) to the newly unified Germany, which rejected by Germany due to the region being barely culturaky german anymore.
I personally think that the polish speaking minority in Poland wouldn't be deported. The poles that lived there were protestant, and considered themselves to be prussian, and most didnt want to become part of an catholic dominated poland. So that meant that they historically always voted to stay a part of germany, voted the NSDAP, and had even fled West together with their german speaking counterparts, when the russians arrived. Even Adolf Hitler made favourable coments about the masuren polish population. My family's name also comes from said polish minority. Please dont make the mistake of saying that the polish speaking prussians were polish, they were germans, that spoke another language.
It's not really that simple. Masurian people (Mazurzy) weren't really German, it was a Slavic ethnic minority, converted to protestantism. It was the religion that tied them with Prussians, also it wasn't really something extraordinary to speak German while living here, even for Polish or Warmian person because overall you were living in the German state. Also there are Masurian people who stayed in Mazury and consider themselves Polish. As I say, it wasn't really that simple back then. Btw, I live in Olsztyn, former "Allenstein" in East Prussia:)
Kaliningrad Oblast represents only the northern part of former east prussia. Finally it's gone and became a part of german as well as polish and russian history.
Königsberg, an unfortunate city cursed by two tyrants. Stalin destroyed it and made it ugly, and the Painter stained it and made people too afraid to even talk about it. Standing on the streets of Kaliningrad felt unreal. You know that a great civilization used to exist under those soulless concrete coffins. It is like exploring the Atlantis, but on land, by the Baltic coast. Give ppl more time. It took the city of Kant and Goldbach 700 years to be such a vibrant bastion of Western culture in Eastern Europe. It will take no less than that amount of time to bring some of it back.
Considering that in our timeline in the 70's there was a renewed intrest in the Baltic Prussian Language. With there being 3 people who had Baltic Prussian as their first language by 2009. I wonder if in this timeline there would be more people who would learn Baltic Prussian as a secondary language to German?
East Prussians did not speak high German, but had their own various distinct regional dialects as East Prussia was a melting pot of Germans from all over the HRE, French, French speaking Swiss, Lithuanians (the NE part was also called Prussian Lithuania), Masovians, Salzburgers, all Protestants invited by the various monarchs over the centuries as they were usually expelled by Catholics. Also, the Königsberg castle was not the ancestral seat of the Hohenzollern family. That is to this day Hohenzollern Caste in today's Baden-Württemberg.
kaliningrad was named after someone "mikhail kalinin" since the allies had abolished east prussia due to militarism and some other reasons. many of the people during wwii left east prussia since a lot of them knew they were going to be under soviet control. as a historian myself, i do agree with some details as it deeps further on the scenario of east prussia.
Interesting: especially if post-war accords had allowed the formation of PSSR. One minor point, Lithuania did not 'steal' Memel/Klaipėda from Germany, but regained it after a long Occupation. The proposed PSSR would have been a barely viable agricultural entity. After the collapse of the USSR, PSSR may then have been reformed as part of an enlarged Lithuanian state.
I came up with a similar scenario a while back. Except I had a much more hostile Polish and Lithuanian reaction that leads to a brief war to ensure Prussia can not reunite with Germany. With the 90s being a time of liberalization and investment from Germany in industry and tourism, then beginning in the 2000s having them take on path similar to Russia, with a former Soviet army officer coming to power and gradually turning the Republic in to wierd mix of Prussian nationalism, communist nostalgia, and Nazi esque policies, such as segregation of polish and Lithuanians in the state, and becoming a strong supporter of Russia. They would also act as middle men in trade deals between Germany and Russia during the current Ukraine war, especially in the sale of Russian gas.
A big mistake people make when discussing the fall of the USSR is ignoring the massive losses that the Soviets suffered during the second world war. In your scenario the Soviets did significantly better so we can assume they had 30 to 50% less losses. The Soviet economic system was flawed, too centralized and too prone to corruption, but that alone didn't mean the Soviets were doomed to collapse this soon.
That was a fascinating scenario where the Soviet Union created the Prussian Soviet Socialist Republic, which later became an independent nation in the 1990s. The detailed alternate history and the cultural dynamics were really intriguing!
German governments before 1945 both nazi and democratic argued that as long as East Prussia remained German then peaceful co-existence with its neighbours was impossible and borders had to be reshaped to link up with 50% of the border of East Prussia swallowing up as much land of its neighbours as the East Prussia itself in the process of linking up.
To be fair Poland was a puppet state, they have essentially all of 0 say, especially if it was land the USSR directly wanted. I think that the Soviets would placate them with Danzing like ITTL
They already got more thant they were supposed to. Despite the two rivers supposedly being the border between Germany and Poland, those two states still have a proper land border around Stettin, even though that part of nowadays Poland is to the west of the aforementioned river border. God knows why they were granted that part of Germany as well, and not just everything up to the two rivers, as per the post WW2 agreement.
@@TheZett and nobody wanted that in Poland then, poles wanted to keep their western border, maby get masuria and some of silesia, but other than that, they wanted their old-time cities of Lwow, Stanislawow, Rowne, Tarnopol, Brzesc, and so on
@@HireTargets yeah, today, when russia owns it, but then it wouldn't cross their mind And today those are the same stupid people that say that Lwów or Wilno isnt polish, so they don't even know history
In the gta verse. The winning nations of ww2, the allies wanted East Prussia to remain German. To remain Prussian. As long as Soviets keep it that way. The Soviets worry the Prussians would destroy the USSR from within. Berlin remains divided like in real life. However though, Berlin being reunited would make the newly formed Pan European Customs Pact as former NATO European states and former Warsaw Pact states decide to form this pact to make Europe independent from the USA. As well as the Soviet Union. And decide to aid the stagnant Soviet Union. Allow the Soviet republics to vote to stay or remain in Moscow. Many stayed in Moscow. While the Baltic states left Moscow and joined the Pan European Customs Pact. Pan European Customs Pact allowed non European states to join. With the west European Federation being the most powerful member to lead the pan European pact.
Great Video! I would have found it very interesting if you would've continued this scenario until the present. E.g. if you followed the russian invasion of Ukraine. What would be the position of Prussia? Would they position like their polish and baltic neighbors and heavily support Ukraine or rather like Hungary and have a renegade pro-russian position? Maybe they would now want to join Nato like Sweden and Finland did or maybe they would start to ignore sanctions and many EU countries would want them to be kicked out of the union. What about the 20% russian minority after the independence? I assume it would've shrinked to maybe 10% due to emigration similar to the baltic coutries. Maybe you could explain how ten thousands of prussians would've moved to mainland Germany in the first 10-20 years after the independence of Prussia due to economic reasons. But I could imagine that in this scenario many mainland germans would've migrated to Prussia especially since 2010, because Prussia would've become wealthier similar to the baltic neighbors. I think Prussia would be also a very appealing destination for many right wing Germans unhappy with their system. There are many ways this scenario could be continued.
The Germans made the same dumb mistake to have a war on two fronts. So if in the first war there were just a sircumstances. The second one was about a choice
I wonder how this would effect the Russia-Ukraine war in our timeline, as Russia would have fewer troops outside of it’s mainland border. Would this mean that they could have cut Odessa off and reached Transnistria in July 2022?
Also video idea: what if South Africa’s population was majority White (both Dutch and British?) Say the indigenous tribes never really settled that area because it was inhospitable for them or something.
Kaliningrad is CZECH!!!!!!!!!
No it's swedish
I believe youre mistaken. It is clearly Turkish
I believe you are mistaken, Kinneksbierg is Luxembourgish, evidently
No, it’s definitely Scottish
@@KaiserAiden23 SCOTLAND FOREVEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!
Although Prussia would be a separate state in this alternate history scenario, many people would know that Prussia - like Austria - would basically be just another unofficial German state. Meaning a BUNCH of people from Germany will likely one way or another move to Prussia, because of ancestors or the likes.
And even if not move there, a whole lot of Germans would atleast visit Prussia every year and admire the state.
Edit: Thanks for 300+ likes!
I would love to go on a backpacking tour to Prussia and Königsberg...
@@jefferyhanderson7849 Who wouldn't :')
@talrick42 Yeah...and what if some German has rebuild the alternative Prussia to Orion belts and the other extroplanets last century.
Also a lot of Prussians would probably move to Germany or other German speaking countries because they would be richer and you would have more opportunities there.
@mojnsell Yep...similar or same cultural orgins.
The glorious renaissance of Prussian culture. Based. It always pained me to see the once beautiful medieval German city reduced to rubble and rebuilt in the brutal, lifeless image of a Soviet city. It is concrete evidence of Nazism's crimes against German culture.
Nazism tainted Germany's Prussian Heritage by intertwining their perverse movement with something so proud and glorious. It is beautiful to see Prussia, Prussian. Like their Austrian brothers, may they stay proud of their culture and safeguard it.
Apparently, there’s a growing appreciation of Prussian culture amongst the inhabitants of Kaliningrad. I learned it from a stream I watched yesterday. Although, it was in the chat, not the stream itself.
P.S. A great channel for Traditional European Architecture is The Aesthetic City. Give them a look-see. 👍
Reminds me of Tolkien’s thoughts on German culture, similar to the way you mentioned it. The beauty of the north German identity and it being hijacked by the n*azis.
Kaliningrad has taken it upon itself to restore much of the prussian architecture and culture that was destroyed in the war and subsequently after post war reconstruction. Granted its gonna take a while and it will never be as it once was but the prussian heritage and history will never be erased.
Königsberg Cathedral was successfully restored from 1992 to 1998, in a joint Russian-German project for example
@@Silver_Prussian yet, a hollow shell without its prussian soul
Из-за вас погибли 27 миллионов советских человек, это гораздо хуже чем потеря земли и бегство на запад, мы бы могли поступить так же как ваши предки по отношению к СССР, но варварами автор называет почему-то именно нас. Калининградская область никогда не станет немецкой. Калининградская область, это напоминание немцам и другим народам что не нужно никогда нападать на Россию.
So, Prussia goes the Austrian path but with Monarchy, based
Average HOI4 player in any country:
My father's family comes from East Prussia and was forced to flee by the Reds. Great video.
Your family never told you why? Maybe they were hidden by the Nazis?
It was not "the reds", it were the two swines Rosenfelt and Chutchil they made it happen.
They were probebly nazis tho 😅😅😅
Or forced to flee by the decree of the Nazi's.
@@Smokrylioif you were born in that place at that time, suffered the same experiences and woes. You would have voted for them as well. It’s easy enough to judge others from the past through a modern lense. They didn’t have our modern outlook back then nor our foresight.
Says the greatest loss was Prussia, but Pomerania and Silesia are both larger, industrious and gone.
Pomerania and Silesia loss was a huge one economically, but Prussia loss is a one that is struck down culturally
One is Chech land and other is Swedish/Danish land
@oooshafiqoooyeah east Prussia was the birthplace of the country that unified Germany so I imagine it was a pretty strong cultural loss to lose it
@@wilddinofacts2073 The Prussian state that unified Germany had little to do anymore with the region of East Prussia.
@@jemoeder5347 if I remember correctly the duchy of Prussia began only in east Prussia then expanded into and unified Germany
7:07 I think I found a mistake UK doesn’t own southern Ireland during the Cold War
We need a public apology video
We request an apology
Britain doesn't even own the Northern part of Ireland,
smh
what southern, Ireland is a holy and undividable part of the UK and the rightful land of the king, it was never independent
(joking
Nah it does what do you mean
It looks like someone took a bite out of Poland on this map
Yeah😅
What do you expect if this video is supported by Prussian general 1815.
You mean Germany
A bite out of Germany
@@Danigamer45 What kind of Germany?
Finally, a video of Prussian independence that goes into detail about how, why, and the future then on. It was a beautiful video, I enjoyed watching the entire thing! I also love the detail that Prussia does not become militaristic, but rather becoming a neutral country. I absolutely love the detail you put into these videos!
I also enjoy the map, I’m a big fan of it for sure! Is there anyway I can have access to these maps? I’d love to make my own scenarios, and the rivers on the map could help a ton!
Either way, amazing work, keep it up!
they are on patreon
@ okay, thanks!
3:47 there actually were High AND Low Prussian dialects in eastern Prussia. So integration wouldn't be a problem for the northern Low German part of Prussia.
But like there are a lot of alien dialects
@@KiraiKatsuji Low Prussian was literally the more dominant one. And in addition to that it was the most noticable transition between High and Low German in the entirety of Germany since the southern settlers were mostly High Germans, whilst the northern settlers were Low Germans. That all means you would not be having a smooth transition and could quite clearly hear the difference when crossing the Uerdinger Linie.
@@Red_Duc Yes i heard you but in this scenario Volga Russian Germans settle there in addition to Russians making it not a smooth thing
Königsberg is GERMAN
What Videntis doesn't understand is that the 120,000 Germans were FORCEFULLY evicted.
Clearly
Wrong, Paraguayan
No its not. Its not even Prussian.
Oh silly Europeans😂 Its obviously our land, Mongolian land!!!!! And it is not Königsberg its “Khan uul”
Lore of What if East Prussia remained GERMAN? Momentum 100
PrussianGeneral1815 approves this video! man this is amazing 😁
Glad you think so!
Good job!
I remember reading your video proposal (I read the beginning and end. I skimmed the middle. It was long) I thought it was great! I'm glad it got implemented!
@@HumanBean-im3sfthanks!
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I feel like this scenario is hella underrated because it doesn’t change world history much at all, but it’s beautiful to see a surviving Prussia in modern day, returned back to how they started as a small Baltic state.
I wrote my own scenario similar to this, but Prussia is the only SSR to violently rebel against the Soviets for independence, and they stay a Republic.
glad you enjoyed it
Как хорошо что Пруссия навсегда русская
@@ГеннадийСеднев-м3щ remember that empires (or countries in this case) rise and fall. Maybe we are just a few years from a second Ostsiedlung
Austria and Switzerland got a new fuck Germany but I speak German brother
I read and understand every single word, yet I have not the slightest fucking idea what they mean.
@@Dominik_Thomsen Put "fuck Germany but I speak German" between quotation marks and watch the magic happen
Another weird German speaking country with better trains and cell signals ....
No pls no we already have 2 of them not anymore.....
@Dominik_Thomsen basically they are German speakers that hate Germany
As a Half volga German, most of us were origianally prussian
Oh cool
Neat and optimistic look on a syncretic nation. Would be curious if the Soviets would deport others to Prussia (i.e. Crimean Tatars, etc) in order to further minimize German influence..
What if Videntis took over Lithuania?
i loved the video man, keep it up!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Low German was spoken in East Prussia, besides in Warmia where High German was mostly spoken.
oh, good to know, I'm not German and I got a bit confused by the language part so I asked Germans in my discord about that
What a surprise that nobody spoke Prussian...
What if marathas united India? In this alternate timeline, marathas win the Third battle of Panipat due to the maratha army not taking pilgrims with them which slowed and restricted their movements. They also managed to ally with other hindu kingdoms and with the sikhs and their army is more competently lead in battle. The afghans lose the battle in a decisive and disastrous manner with Ahemed shah Durrani being slain in the battle.
So this leads to marathas securing a huge chunk of north India. Since the empire was already quite overextended so next ten years from 1761 to 1771 or 1772 ( which in our timeline, marathas spent in reconsolidating their previous holdings and resurrecting their empire) is spent in consolidating their newly acquired territories and expanding even further.
In this alternate timeline, Madhav rao the first also does not contact tuberculosis while campaigning against Hyder Ali and continues to fight regional wars against the kings of Deccan as well as the british. Soon from his alliance with France, he gets to know about the fate of the native americans and how they were wiped out of their own lands. So to not wanting to see the Indian Subcontinent suffer a similar or even worse fate, he with the help of France, starts to massively modernise the army and begins to once again invest in the maratha navy like the founder of the maratha empire, Chhatrapati Shivanji Maharaj the Great did when he laid the foundation of the maratha empire. He also forms an military alliance with nizam of hydrabad and Mysore which then extends to the kingdom of Travancore. Soon states like the kingdom of Oudh, the Sikh empire, the kingdoms of Nepal, kingdom of Ahom, the Rajputana states and many other kingdoms and chieftains join this secret alliance.The Mughal empire which now was basically a puppet to any superpower in the region and which now only controled the regions of Delhi would be now forced to accept this proposal. This alliance would also be joined by the sons of the deposed Sultan of Bengal in hopes of retaking their lost throne.This alliance would then further extended to kingdoms like the Durrani empire of Afhganistan, the kingdom of Sindh and many north eastern kingdoms and tribes. The purpose of this alliance is to to restrict the control and then ultimate removal of all foreign powers from the Subcontinent.When the third Anglo-Mysore war begins, the alliance is ratified and the war soon this regional war escalates into a war where all the Indian states are united to fight the british. This is approximately at the same time when the French revolution occurs and the coalition wars began. After several Years of fighting in 1809 the British are completely pushed out of Indian Subcontinent. Soon this alliance paves the way for a united Indian government. This new government resembles the government of Imperial Germany but with a major change. While in imperial Germany, there was one Emperor whole was the first among equals and was followed by the different kings and princes of other german states. Here there will be two Emperors instead of one. One being the Maratha Peshwa ( or the peshwa-i-hind ) and the Mughal Emperor ( or shenshah-i-hind ). The Maratha peshwa would reside in the city of Poona while the Mughal Emperor would reside in the city of Delhi. However all the power will be under the Maratha Peshwa. It will seize all the territories held by the British including regions like Ceylon and Burma. Soon it wil make an deal and alliance with France in which France will cede all of its remaining territories in Subcontinent to the Hindustan confederation in exchange of alot of economic consessions and other benefits. This is the type of diplomacy Hindustan confederation tries with the Portuguese as well but when this plan fails, Hindustan confederation quickly invdes Goa, Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and Diu, quickly secures it and gets rid of all colonial influence by May 10th 1857 when Europe recognizes the Hindustan confederation as a legitimate government. Initially France would be Hindustan confederation's greatest ally. Hindustan confederation follows a path of industrialization along the line of the japanese model of 'Japanese spirit, Western technology'.
As soon as Hindustan confederation becomes industrialized enough to expand even further, they are met with their two rivals, Great Britain with whom they would wrestle over to gain the Supreme control over the Indian ocean and with Russia with whom Hindustan confederation would have massive border skirmishes and disputes over the central asia region. This would culminate into the Indo-russian war of 1874 inwhich Hindustan confederation with massive support from France would defeat the russians because the Russian Empire would still be going through a complete army rehaul after their loss in the Crimean war. This would propel the nascent Hindustan confederation into one of the world's leading powers akin to what happened to Japan after their victory against the russians. As the Second French Empire collapses and Imperial Germany rises, Hindustan confederation begins to allign itself more and more with the teutons as the French begin to align themselves with the British and the Russians.
So, when world war 1 starts in 1914, Hindustan confederation quickly joins the central powers. This alternate world war ends in a complete failure for the entente as without India, Great Britain just doesn't have the resources, funds and manpower needed to fight such a long grueling war while the Hindustan confederation opens up a new front not only for the british but to most importantly against the russians. This leafs to central power victory in 1917 as Russia collapses much faster and the british just are not able to cope with fighting the war on so many different fronts. Hindustan would annex several European colonies in the Indian ocean and Indo-pacific region and would gain the Supremacy of the Indian ocean.
Hindustan confederation would play a massive role in the following Russian civil war where it would annex a lot of territories and would turn rest of central asia in a bunch of puppet buffer states. In the 1920's and 1930's, it begins to ally itself with Japan as both nations together would invade, conquer and split china in 1936. During this alternate world war 2, Hindustan confederation amd Japan would jointly invade and carve up the European colonies as they would would be busy fighting each other and together they would participate in this alternate operation Barbarossa with Japan invading from the east and Hindustan confederation striking from the south. They would together crave out asia between themselvesa and now with sizable asia under their control and with the support of the Hindustan confederation, Japan wins the war of Pacific against the USA. After some 20 years of peace on the Asian continent, the Japanese empire would begin to collapse due to overextension ad due to continously rebellions by the subdued populations. Hindustan confederation would support such rebellions as it would further spread the Hindustani influence all across the Asian continent.As the Japanese empire collapses on itself, Hindustan confederation takes it's place as the Supreme power of the Asian continent.
this spounds cool, can you message me on discord to help me make this a video
@@Videntis.History sir, I will tell about more details tomorrow.
@@Videntis.History I am having some issues with discord give some time. Thank you
Rip old königsberg
If Köhl really wanted it back in 1989 he may have had a chance to get East Prussia back but he didn’t want it
Polish duke Konrad Mazowiecki invited Tautons to Prussia. That is how it started...
“Kaliningrad” if it was based
Really nice and unique video idea. I can't wait to see the next one.
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much!
With no Kaliningrad Oblast, the Russians can't cut off the Baltic States from the rest of Europe. I assume the Russians would be more careful in this timeline because of it.
ye, no more Ukraine war
@@oooshafiqooo It won't change the Ukraine war
@@yazovgaming then it would happen this year instead of earlier
@@oooshafiqooo Nah if things go mostly like they did here the war would still happen, but with more careful managment need from russia and less from the west
Thanks for this video. It certainly feels like a love letter to European civilization, even though it is talking about Prussia. The horrors and the suffering of the past has made Europeans have a trauma response to their own history. Through suffering and hardship we learn. And by considering the beauty of it, as well as the bad that’s happened we learn from our past and by such we open the door to our future
yeah, it was supposed to be a positive script to Germanic civilization and be positive for the future of Europe, showing that people can come together during hardships and grow stronger because of it
@@Videntis.HistoryКалининградская область - Российская земля, всё современное население области русские. Немцы убили 27 миллионов советских граждан. За это мы заслуженно отобрали Пруссию, как напоминание что нельзя лезть на Россию.
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What happened to the rest of the Germans east of the Oder River in Poland? Were they deported to Germany like in real life or were they allowed to stay in Poland as a large minority group?
Deported
@@br.claudelane but where?
@@oooshafiqooothey were mostly killed raped or deported to east germany
@samtheman4931 why East Germany? is there nobody going to Prussian SSR instead?
@@oooshafiqooomany Germans trying to escape soviet control for autonomy, and also geographically east Prussia is further away from most of the populated German areas
I expect they would join NATO along with Finland and Sweden in 2022 following the invasion of Ukraine
AMAZING WORK! Suggestion: What if Otto Habsburg was placed in the austrian throne after ww2?
I find this one really interesting because I rarely see many scenarios that leads to east Prussia staying with Germany or being a part of something like this
38 seconds, no views. Understandable.
East Prussia could stay german but without Danzig, Varmia, Masuria and Lithuania Minor.
And if not that Poland would get Lusatia, Lebus and Frontal Pomerania.
The founder of modern Germany is Brandenburg, not Prussia.
Brandenburg has got the Prussian identity as a "law backdoor" to get the crown for its ruler, because Brandenburg itself, as a part of HRE, couldn't be a kingdom.
How to NOT beat the allegations
which allegation ?
@@pyronderman9055being a weird man who calls eastern rome byzantium
@@Prestoninthezoneit was called crown colony of great Moravia at the time
He is a Germanophile
Prussia became like austria were its old subjects are stronger than it
Kaliningrad is proper Preußen German territory. Its biggest city was the ancient Teutonic city, and Preußen capitol of Königsberg. The communists ruined the eastern German culture.
Apparently by the end of the USSR, Gorbachev actually offered Kaliningrad (Northern East Prussia) to the newly unified Germany, which rejected by Germany due to the region being barely culturaky german anymore.
I personally think that the polish speaking minority in Poland wouldn't be deported.
The poles that lived there were protestant, and considered themselves to be prussian, and most didnt want to become part of an catholic dominated poland.
So that meant that they historically always voted to stay a part of germany, voted the NSDAP, and had even fled West together with their german speaking counterparts, when the russians arrived.
Even Adolf Hitler made favourable coments about the masuren polish population.
My family's name also comes from said polish minority.
Please dont make the mistake of saying that the polish speaking prussians were polish, they were germans, that spoke another language.
What’s ur surname?
It's not really that simple. Masurian people (Mazurzy) weren't really German, it was a Slavic ethnic minority, converted to protestantism. It was the religion that tied them with Prussians, also it wasn't really something extraordinary to speak German while living here, even for Polish or Warmian person because overall you were living in the German state. Also there are Masurian people who stayed in Mazury and consider themselves Polish. As I say, it wasn't really that simple back then. Btw, I live in Olsztyn, former "Allenstein" in East Prussia:)
What if the Holy Roman Empire was based in italy instead of Germany?
What if the Tiananmen Square Protests caused the downfall of the PRC?
good idea
@@Videntis.History It would be interesting to explore how the USSR reacts to its neighbor falling before they do.
Kaliningrad Oblast represents only the northern part of former east prussia. Finally it's gone and became a part of german as well as polish and russian history.
Königsberg, an unfortunate city cursed by two tyrants. Stalin destroyed it and made it ugly, and the Painter stained it and made people too afraid to even talk about it. Standing on the streets of Kaliningrad felt unreal. You know that a great civilization used to exist under those soulless concrete coffins. It is like exploring the Atlantis, but on land, by the Baltic coast. Give ppl more time. It took the city of Kant and Goldbach 700 years to be such a vibrant bastion of Western culture in Eastern Europe. It will take no less than that amount of time to bring some of it back.
Город разрушила английская авиация ещё в 44 году
Interesting how definitions change as well because now konigsberg would be considered Northern European
Love your content! Keep up the good work
I wish the Königsberg City was German😢
cry about it lmao
@kyreff4888 i don't want it because of the land but because of the culture
0:43 They pushed WAY further than that!
Considering that in our timeline in the 70's there was a renewed intrest in the Baltic Prussian Language. With there being 3 people who had Baltic Prussian as their first language by 2009. I wonder if in this timeline there would be more people who would learn Baltic Prussian as a secondary language to German?
East Prussians did not speak high German, but had their own various distinct regional dialects as East Prussia was a melting pot of Germans from all over the HRE, French, French speaking Swiss, Lithuanians (the NE part was also called Prussian Lithuania), Masovians, Salzburgers, all Protestants invited by the various monarchs over the centuries as they were usually expelled by Catholics. Also, the Königsberg castle was not the ancestral seat of the Hohenzollern family. That is to this day Hohenzollern Caste in today's Baden-Württemberg.
kaliningrad was named after someone "mikhail kalinin" since the allies had abolished east prussia due to militarism and some other reasons. many of the people during wwii left east prussia since a lot of them knew they were going to be under soviet control. as a historian myself, i do agree with some details as it deeps further on the scenario of east prussia.
Interesting: especially if post-war accords had allowed the formation of PSSR. One minor point, Lithuania did not 'steal' Memel/Klaipėda from Germany, but regained it after a long Occupation. The proposed PSSR would have been a barely viable agricultural entity. After the collapse of the USSR, PSSR may then have been reformed as part of an enlarged Lithuanian state.
I came up with a similar scenario a while back. Except I had a much more hostile Polish and Lithuanian reaction that leads to a brief war to ensure Prussia can not reunite with Germany. With the 90s being a time of liberalization and investment from Germany in industry and tourism, then beginning in the 2000s having them take on path similar to Russia, with a former Soviet army officer coming to power and gradually turning the Republic in to wierd mix of Prussian nationalism, communist nostalgia, and Nazi esque policies, such as segregation of polish and Lithuanians in the state, and becoming a strong supporter of Russia. They would also act as middle men in trade deals between Germany and Russia during the current Ukraine war, especially in the sale of Russian gas.
A big mistake people make when discussing the fall of the USSR is ignoring the massive losses that the Soviets suffered during the second world war. In your scenario the Soviets did significantly better so we can assume they had 30 to 50% less losses. The Soviet economic system was flawed, too centralized and too prone to corruption, but that alone didn't mean the Soviets were doomed to collapse this soon.
That was a fascinating scenario where the Soviet Union created the Prussian Soviet Socialist Republic, which later became an independent nation in the 1990s. The detailed alternate history and the cultural dynamics were really intriguing!
German governments before 1945 both nazi and democratic argued that as long as East Prussia remained German then peaceful co-existence with its neighbours was impossible and borders had to be reshaped to link up with 50% of the border of East Prussia swallowing up as much land of its neighbours as the East Prussia itself in the process of linking up.
As a Prussian, the ending made me proud,
I would say I'm proud of my Prussian side of the family. My father's mother side immigrant from Prussia before the turn of the century.
How is this not a better timeline??? I wanna go there!
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In that way, poles would never agree on their eastern border being dropped like that
To be fair Poland was a puppet state, they have essentially all of 0 say, especially if it was land the USSR directly wanted. I think that the Soviets would placate them with Danzing like ITTL
They already got more thant they were supposed to.
Despite the two rivers supposedly being the border between Germany and Poland, those two states still have a proper land border around Stettin, even though that part of nowadays Poland is to the west of the aforementioned river border.
God knows why they were granted that part of Germany as well, and not just everything up to the two rivers, as per the post WW2 agreement.
@@TheZett and nobody wanted that in Poland then, poles wanted to keep their western border, maby get masuria and some of silesia, but other than that, they wanted their old-time cities of Lwow, Stanislawow, Rowne, Tarnopol, Brzesc, and so on
@@andrzejhinc6404 Poles insist to say that prussia is poland.
@@HireTargets yeah, today, when russia owns it, but then it wouldn't cross their mind
And today those are the same stupid people that say that Lwów or Wilno isnt polish, so they don't even know history
In the gta verse. The winning nations of ww2, the allies wanted East Prussia to remain German. To remain Prussian. As long as Soviets keep it that way. The Soviets worry the Prussians would destroy the USSR from within. Berlin remains divided like in real life. However though, Berlin being reunited would make the newly formed Pan European Customs Pact as former NATO European states and former Warsaw Pact states decide to form this pact to make Europe independent from the USA. As well as the Soviet Union. And decide to aid the stagnant Soviet Union. Allow the Soviet republics to vote to stay or remain in Moscow. Many stayed in Moscow. While the Baltic states left Moscow and joined the Pan European Customs Pact. Pan European Customs Pact allowed non European states to join. With the west European Federation being the most powerful member to lead the pan European pact.
Note that the Vistula delta was not part of East Prussia.
The real reason why we want East prussia to return = PICKELHAUBE
Great Video! I would have found it very interesting if you would've continued this scenario until the present. E.g. if you followed the russian invasion of Ukraine. What would be the position of Prussia? Would they position like their polish and baltic neighbors and heavily support Ukraine or rather like Hungary and have a renegade pro-russian position? Maybe they would now want to join Nato like Sweden and Finland did or maybe they would start to ignore sanctions and many EU countries would want them to be kicked out of the union. What about the 20% russian minority after the independence? I assume it would've shrinked to maybe 10% due to emigration similar to the baltic coutries. Maybe you could explain how ten thousands of prussians would've moved to mainland Germany in the first 10-20 years after the independence of Prussia due to economic reasons. But I could imagine that in this scenario many mainland germans would've migrated to Prussia especially since 2010, because Prussia would've become wealthier similar to the baltic neighbors. I think Prussia would be also a very appealing destination for many right wing Germans unhappy with their system. There are many ways this scenario could be continued.
Bro I saw the thumbnail and thought its a hoi4 video
great video keep it up From Denmark
Thanks 👍
Kaliningrad is clearly ugandan
I really wish. I want to go where my family is from
now do one where sam marino is richer than all of america and europe combined
In hindsight Poland has been more than a good steward of East Prussia. If it were still German, they’d have packed it full of subsaharans by now.
You forgot the part of greece restoring byzantium
Videntis the sigma
Why are my comments being deleted?
My glorious days, said the East Germans
I'm a cultered man I see Reagan in the thumbnail I like.
So what actually happened
In 60 years the map of Europe will change . Don't be surprised .
Nice.
Very nice
What is this video???
There is no Prussia, it does not exist!
The Eastgerman Anterm in the Background (Auferstanden aus Ruinen)? That's rude, Dude!
It would make more sense if they occupied modern day kanlingrad
A glorious Prussia.
Can you do something with Belgium
The Germans made the same dumb mistake to have a war on two fronts. So if in the first war there were just a sircumstances. The second one was about a choice
Serbia part 2?
I wonder how this would effect the Russia-Ukraine war in our timeline, as Russia would have fewer troops outside of it’s mainland border. Would this mean that they could have cut Odessa off and reached Transnistria in July 2022?
Oh schöne Geschichte, ein Traum, der wahrscheinlich nie wahr werden wird.
Humorous.
I don't get this Russian "warm" seaport demand. They have Sochi on the Black Sea. There are even palm trees in Sochi. How warmer seaport they need?
Dig a canal around it and we Brits would love to take the island
Also video idea: what if South Africa’s population was majority White (both Dutch and British?) Say the indigenous tribes never really settled that area because it was inhospitable for them or something.
Khoisan are already gone basically
Zulu got rid of them
Königsberg (Královec) was named by Czechs
This Prussia would have been a lovely country.
All Prussia spoke low German as did the Volga Germans. Many of whom came from Prussia.
Pretty Good,
Since when did the kaiser support the führer?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Interesting idea.
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No Crusades, no Turkish Islamic nations in Anatolia, possible Christian Turks and Kurds
if you wanna help me write the script, sure
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