Manual or Automatic: Which New 2024 Toyota Tacoma Is the BEST? I Test Both Off-Road!
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:22 Manual Transmission
2:36 Rocks
3:10 Moguls
5:38 Side Tilt
7:02 Tires
7:51 Auto Transmission
9:00 Crawl Control
10:05 Rocks
12:05 Moguls
13:26 Side Tilt
14:54 Engine Braking
16:19 Turning Radius
16:58 Verdict
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Yes! Finally.., someone included the axle and gear ratios. I have been waiting forever for that info. I've been searching for months. I knew TFL would deliver, Andre is the Man! He drove that manual like it was a Russian tractor.
I too have REALLY been wanting this info. I have had a very strong hunch that they are using the RC60F or RC61F from the Hilux diesels. The 4.78 1st ratio matches the Hilux too. So while it’s not confirmed, chances are very good. I really hope somehow this can be swappable into the 3rd gen, but I’m also pumped for its use in the 4th gen.
Nerd
Thank you for watching!
Talk about Russian tractors they’re the most indestructible
@@bekabeka71strange, russians themselves prefer John Deere if they can afford one.
The manual transmissions been the best version for 30+ years.
Not a fan of a big screen TV on the dash, but glad to see they haven't killed off the manual transmission yet. This will be on my short list for sure. Thanks for sharing Andre.
Thank you for watching.
The new Tacoma is a good looking truck, even better than the previous gen so u know it will sell like hot cakes!
Manual transmission no doubt is the ultimate fun factor. TRD OR manual with no front air damn is the sweet spot.
Haha I unbolted that chin strap on my '22 Sport minutes after getting into the driveway after taking delivery. Guessing the 4th gen is just a few bolts too
14:56 Andre thanks for the shout out! I'm glad to see that they had a good downhill section to test the engine braking. Good callout on this truck not being the hybrid, which I'm sure will be helping with regen braking when descending.
Can't wait for you guys to get these trucks on the Ike Gauntlet with a camping trailer on the back.
Well done with the past videos with TFL. I hope you guys can make a 4Runner vs Tacoma video in the future.
@@Evan_Land there's some rumors going around that we might be seeing the new 4Runner in April.
Manuals should be standard on midsize trucks. Makes it that much more enjoyable to drive. It's a requirement for me in my next vehicle purchase, just as it was earlier this year.
I've always said if I have the option to buy a manual I'm buying a manual. Props to Toyota for keeping the manual alive. Shame it's not offered in the TRD Pro
That's not what Doug DeMuro thinks, but he's a clown.
And it is a good theft deterrent.
Had to have a manual when I bought the gladiator...6spd geared a bit high an tows less than the Auto.
You would have loved the 80's, manual transmissions were standard on everything- cars included. I've owned both, and the manual transmission is a wholly over rated experience. If you put a lot of city miles on your truck, shifting gets old real quick. I can see the appeal of it for highway driving or weekend use.
The stabilizer bar disconnect is a killer feature. I'll be using that a lot. I just wish you could get a manual with the more powerful hybrid.
Lol
Manual with 6-foot bed would be nice too.
@@is6566 Agreed. Not going to happen, sadly.
There's going to be plenty aftermarket tuning especially with the turbo on that engine, think 2jz.
Nice review of the new Toyota Tacoma four-wheel drive pickups. Very nice. I respect you folks with TFL for providing objective and honest vehicle reviews. Thank you very much. Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.
Just watched DST's comparison and was hoping that You guys did the same! Awesome!! I love that Orange! Cant wait for you guys to get a test truck for the Ranch!
Been watching a ton of Tacoma first drive videos and am delighted you brought the specs with the gearing on the new Tacos and how they differ between manual and auto. The higher ratio on the manual is "crawl control" for us 3 pedal fans eh? I would like to hear why they detuned the power output on the manual version, hope TFL sleuths out that detail in a later video (my suspicion is EPA but I'd love to know details).
Excellent episode!!! 😁
Love the frame rust already starting to show itself on these press trucks.
I’m thinking since these are preproduction models that they’ll add coating to the undercarriage for rust prevention
In all seriousness, the engineers should've mounted to big screen television on top of the steering wheel....that way the driver wouldn't be able to see anything out the windshield. What were they thinking?
Careful, they may do it, and with steering via touch interface only.
😂😂😂 big screen
you are the man
Some nice improvements over the 3rd gen. No more muffler hanging down in the middle of the belly past the frame rails, hopefully the low hanging muffler tip is a pre-production thing. Great they included some basic reservoir shocks on the TRD OR. Hopefully the quicker 4wd shifting meant they got rid of the unreliable shift actuator from the gen 2 and gen 3s. Still no 4auto option on the t-case, like most of the competition. After the expected MPG on the Landcruiser, looking forward to what the Taco will bring. It's crap that the 3rd gen got the same MPG as my v8 fullsizes in the Rockies.
The Limited tacoma has fulltime 4wd though. First for toyota pickups
@@beexiong2995 That's great news, as someone else commented it'd be nice if reviewers hit on the fulltime/selectable AWD systems in 4x4s more. Even the manufacturers don't really share how their AWD systems work in their trucks (not talking about standard 4x4 t-case setups here). Ford and GM have had the auto option since ~2012, but are super lacking in info. Jeep's had it for awhile in certain models, but added it as a separate option to when the JL and JT came out.
Thank for showing manual trans!!!
Love the truck but if they are going to use that screen they need to integrate it better
it looks like they screwed a laptop to the dash.
The graphics on the screen look dated and is not even out for sale yet . Maybe looks better in person . Very bland .
@@craigroosa9321facts and then it will still be 5k over MSRB😂
That's true for half the vehicles on the market. I suppose they figured if it's good enough for Tesla....
They did lol
That’s one of the reasons I purchased a ‘23 TRD off road premium instead! And auto!
Def want that manual. Wish the trail hunter trim came in it.
I'm wishing for a manual TRD Pro. Some high speed high jinx with a manual where you can use more than 1 or 2 gears sounds like a riot!
And a natural fit, I might add... TOYOTA!!
At least it's offered on the TRD OR so I can make my own.
@@upshifter5316Most of the nanny helpers won't work with manual trans. Mine has atrac and rr locker. The rest of the driving is on me.
@@triple6758 even better!!
Does the 317ftlb seem like enough or do you need the hybrid? Does the rear seats seem any bigger than the 2023 model?
I would like to hear Andre's thoughts on how these trucks compare to his Chevy Colorado...
I have always been of the opinion that to test the capabilities of an off-road vehicle, you should not utilize the lockers unless it is 100% needed. All the obstacles you could have just turned on crawl control and eased through it.
So the iforce max come out in spring with the larger output ?
OK, there is no front locker on these trucks, but can they simulate it with differential braking?
Love the manual trans. Good video. The interior looks great. But that screen is way to big for that tiny truck. What are you going to do with it, your taxes? 😂
Having the longer wheel base with same length, does it have better departure angle than previous version?
Wish colorado would give us a manual transmission option.
I'm sure its like most places and if you want a manual, you'll have to order one.
@@Wrangzilla🤣🤣🤣
How about you wish for the truck to last first ?😅
Are they putting the HAC (hill-start assist control) on the TRD Offroad model? With the inability to turn off? This would be a deal breaker for me. Had it subaru, hated it luckily it could be turned off.
Front sway bar disconnects // Why are you showing the rear of the vehicle //
I want to drive the new 6spd. Is it a new transmission? Hope they did it better than Jeep did! Crawl ratio is still not in Gladiator territory, and you did not say if the new seating position helped off road.
Does the screen look ridiculously large in person? On film it just looks out of place.
Andre looks like a man sitting in the little red & yellow Little Tykes Cozy Car.
If you are under 6’ tall will the top of the screen block some outward view over the hood?
I think the way to go on the new Tacoma is the off-road trim, with the non hybrid motor for less maintenance complications down the line.
Overall an improvement, lots to like! But the wheelbase is too long for serious off road work. Still disappointing Toyota won’t give us larger factory tires. As an owner of a 2023 Lexus Rx500, the new Toyota infotainment interface is highly annoying. Wayyy too many button presses to get to commonly used features, no set “home buttons” that stay visible in Apple car play, etc. just overall not impressive, especially compared to what Ford and Jeep are offering on new vehicles. That screen also looks weirdly large in this truck.
I wonder how much difference the new electronic steering makes. I like the natural feel of my ‘12 taco’s hydraulic…
My old truck, a 2002 Sonoma, had hydraulic steering with about an inch of play in the steering wheel. I could move the steering wheel about an inch before it would turn the wheels. My new truck, a 2016 Canyon, has electric steering with no play in the wheel. At first, it felt "twitchy" because the steering was so sensitive. After a few minutes, I learned to be more gentle with my steering wheel movements. I didn't need to yank the wheel to get it to respond quickly. Electric steering feels like a quick ratio steering, but after a while, it becomes normal.
Would have preferred to see it do the moguls with the locker off to see how the suspension and ATRAC handle it.
Bed looks very stiff. Before there was more bed flex to help keep the tires planted in mogul situations.
But did they improve the plastic interior so it won't scratch by looking at it?
😂😂
😂😂 Thought I had a speck of something in my trim and made it much worse trying to clean it off. So disappointing
Looks like the same old cheap plastic
If anything its gotten cheaper
@@adamprater6216what do you expect
For as much as I like the manual especially on a turbocharged truck. The hybrid option seems more appealing (if it’s efficient) plus with the long bed.
As usual for its trucks, Toyota isn’t building this hybrid for efficiency…they really should.
We should compare the newTaco Manual to the Jeep Gladiator Manual , see which one goes up in smoke first .... I think i can already guess .
When do we get to see the hybrid powertrain?
Spring 2024.
Does anybody reading the comments have any idea if you can calibrate the odometer, speedo, etc to compensate for 33" tires if you were to put them on? I've heard in competing vehicles like Jeeps it can be done pretty simply whereas in older Tacos you had to regear or just live with your speedo not being accurate.
32 to 33 is not that big of difference, just live with it. On the 3rd gen you arw going from 30.5 to 33.
The speedometer should be electronic, driven by the wheel speed sensors. They should be able to drop a correction in at the dealership. Of coarse it isn't that much of a change. It may also end up being like my F150: When I put 33's on it the tires actually corrected the speedometer. It was a little optimistic in stock configuration. It's dead on now.
What color is that? Underground? Not too impressed . . . but at least it stays clean looking
That shifter looks exactly the same as the one on my 3rd gen.
Oh shizz. 33 without issues. I have issue with my 3rd gen with 32 inch.😢
Home run!! I m getting a manual!
Can you order a TRD Off-road with a manual and xtra cab?
No, 5ft only. Why I don't know...
I want a trd off road manual!
Does the TRD OR Manual have Crawl Control, sway bar disconnect, & MTS?
The 6MT has ATRAC and the sway bar disconnect
I personally despise new tech in cars. Keeping my old school 2018 Pro 4x Manual w/ 6ft bed for life.
😂 pro did not come in 6ft bed
It did in Extended, not Crew, Cab@@vianad9285
@@vianad9285 Gen 2 they did- I have an 18' in my driveway. Came from Canada.
That 2018 Nissan is loaded with computers, fuel injectors, regulators and relays. You should buy a 1978 Chevy 1/2 ton, there's no tech on that truck- carburetor, hand crank windows, AM radio, none of that sissy air conditioning crap.
@@timalan7406 you should get a horse.
Can you get a manual with a six foot bed? You know, for those of us that still use a truck as a truck?
That screen would bother my view. Looks like they just plopped it on last minute.
No 6ft bed manual transmission options like the old days. I guess every manual transmission off roader on the planet needs seating for 4 over more bed storage.
@gtout… And they also don’t use their trucks for work but LIFESTYLE only. Quite annoying actually. I use the truck for work too and the 5-foot bed is ridiculous for that purpose.
Yep. These are now used as mall cruisers and grocery getters. It's stupid.
Can you pair the six-speed with the long bed in TRD OR?
Doubt it, don't think you have ever been able to do a manual with a long bed crew cab.
@@parkerdalo3248 Yup. Confirmed "no" based on the official Toyota pricing, which dropped a few minutes ago.
@@parkerdalo3248
I remember seeing a manual with a crew cab long bed Frontier. 2wd though.
I miss some metric sistem sizes, could you include both, metric and imperial please? no every one watching is from de USA. Thanks!
glad that toyota is keeping the manual on the tacoma wish ford would bring it back to the ranger
I wonder how Rivian and Cybertruck would behave on this course
That off camber section at 14:40 looked sketchy.
Yall really gotta get a camera stabilizer or a better one at least..
That giant tablet screen is blocking the driver's view. I can't believe the engineers didn't integrate in lower into the dashboard. Talk about distracting, it's dangerous on or off road.
That’s why I bought the ‘23 taco; better integrated screen and the rock solid v6 go course. First time Toyota buyer and can’t wait for my truck to get to the dealer. Getting the TRD sport in lunar rock.
Have you ever driven a car with a screen lol it doesn’t get in the way at all and if its THAT big of a deal there are like 10 cameras and some that face forward so you can see in front of you on that same screen you’re complaining about like it’s really not THAT big of a deal or nuisance
@@Gettfoutrahereloser Yes, my 2018 tacoma has a screen, but it doesn't block the windshield. Why even have a windshield or windows at all? The entire cab could just be a giant screen. Hell, why even leave your house when all you want to do is stare at screens
@@macneoh7418 as someone with a car that has an actual pop up screen Im telling you from actual experience not your boomer ass opinion that it doesnt get in the way like it helps SO much like tf lol
Im a little annoyed they decided on a sway bar disconnect instead of the superior KDSS
Probably because of $$
KDSS is better suited for something like a landcruiser/gx/4runner with shorter wheelbase
Agreed. KDSS disconnects front and rear while this only disengages front.
I know it's NOT a Diesel but your video those truck sure sound like they could be.... too bad they aren't / won't be in the USA
Manual transmission, cooled seats, lane keep, ACC, big infotainment screen, physical climate controls, composite bed, good shocks, dif locker, sway bar disconnect, ok take my money.
Does anyone make a plain truck without all the electronic crud? I want a truck that let's me drive it
So in percentage, how many Americans are going to choose the 6-speed manual option? Any idea?
-20%. Unfortunately they'll probably discontinue it after a few years due to poor sales.
I would bet maybe 2-3%
There won't be many available on dealer lots. Many will just go auto to avoid the ordering process...
Electric or hydraulic steering?
Maybe I missed it, but did anyone catch whether these two models have the optional 33" tire and wheel package? Thanks!
They're not equipped with the 33' tires.
@@LSX01Nation Thanks! I know they aren't equipped with 33's as standard but I'm pretty sure earlier videos mentioned the off-road does have that option now whereas the Pro 33's are standard.
7:40
@@richardroberts6472Thanks bro!
It’s funny how the taco scrapes on a obstacle that Toyota had on thier course. This is the time it happened. 😅 3:11
🌮 Tuesday 🎉
Honestly doesn't seem the swaybar disconnect makes a difference on film. Truck should be around 31k for most folks to afford.
Noticed the manuals' red line looks to be about a 1,000rpms less than auto, why?
Some guys mentioned, that the new wide-spread transmission might be out of a hilux Diesel-truck.
If that is the case, the transmission could be limited to a certain rpm on the input shaft.
Or its just a dynamic redline until the engine is up to operating temperature.
Just get a 2023 manual people. The new tundras are already taking a shit on a bunch of folks in the forums
Sounds like a diesel on some of the outside shots as it throttles up
iForce Max engines? Or just the meh stock engines?
Tacoma Turd Pro or Nissan Frontier Pro 4X - V-6 ?
Well, since you put it that way (laughing)...
No idea why people complain about a big screen… if you want a small screen, it comes with that as standard. 14 inch display is an option
Nice new Truck. I get the new truck in manual transmission much better truck. Boy truck sounds like little diesel. I hope y’all get the manual transmission one y’all need to buy that one.
I think the old one looked better and more aggressive....😍
I wish they would put column shifters and bench seats in these.
Then again... wouldn't a Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness do just as well?
Assuming one didn't burn up the CVT?
The reverse camera better work past 10k miles lol
Welcome to California Andre. It's a nice hiking trail out there too. It's great to see breathing normally without being in the mile high state. It takes a toll when we get older. Even sleeping habits
Is this OC? Or NorCal?
This place reminds me of the Santa Ana mountains
Where in California is this. It’s beautiful?
That engine and drive train sounds noisy? Is it?
On the right trails maybe manual is better , but in this test loop the auto did the trail way smoother . In everyday traffic give me an auto . Way better interior and decent truck . Would take a GMC Canyon though .
Infotainment screen is ridiculous. It looks like a cop car with a laptop 😂
Where is the extraCab with manual trans?
Can't hardly call it an 'Access Cab' without rear doors on the cab either...
@@devildog5354 I know. This is completely pointless. I think that back space is smaller than the current Access Cab. Where is the Tacoma heritage?
1st... Looking forward to this video
I grew up on a manual transmission, but today I would not even own a manual transmission. I had a 2018 Colorado with a manual transmission and after 6 months I hated it.
I had a 6 sp manual in my 2005 Taco and the long throws and narrow gates look like they are still present in the 2024. No thanks, I hated it and saw Ryan Douthit miss shifts on the 2024 he tested for DSTV. Besides, the crawl feature is not available with the manual. Automatic for me.
@@richardhouvener6423 A manual transmission is not a must have these. Nothing wrong with it if you like it. Very annoying towing with a manual too.
After having a manual Rubicon (another severely underpowered vehicle), I would go with the automatic. I got tired of shifting all the time to stay in the power.
Not sure which model you had, but my brother has a 4-door JL Rubicon with 35s, and I definitely wouldn’t describe it as underpowered. Unless you’re only off-roading, I don’t know why anyone would by an automatic Jeep. What’s the point? That’s what makes them fun.
@@Holden-McGroin
2015 4 door. I mean it’s severely underpowered compared to any V8 truck. I traded it for a 2019 F150 with the 5.0. Night and day difference.
The MT on the Jeep doesn't match up well with the torque powerband on the 3.6L Pentastar V6. I got rid of my MT Gladiator because of it. My MT Frontier with the 4.0L VQ V6 is a much better match...
How will the new Toyota TRD pro stand up to the NEWER Colorado ZR2 Will the colorados still kick the Toyota's ass in off-road capabilities?
Has a tow/haul mode but no integrated brake control?
During their first reveal it was mentioned they will have a brake controller we will see
There should be a gauge on these expensive 4x4's that shows cost per minute in crawl mode. For what they cost and for how rarely they're used off-road, the numbers would be scary. Most people who own a boat would readily understand.
I once calculated the cost per fish caught for my boat. I didn't like the number so I sold the boat. LOL.
@@richardhouvener6423 I think the proper response would've been to fish more >>>catch more 🐠 😀
"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after" - Henry David Thoreau
The interesting part is the crawl mode and other fancy gadgets on a truck are already on every truck. It's just a button that executes a program routine manipulating the different components.
People who dont like manual transmission are the people who dont know how to drive manual transmissions (90%)
The 3rd gen taco with the manual is night and day difference from an automatic and thats the reason why the trd sport was there with sport tuned suspension and people who bought the trd off road nether used the rear diff lock nor took it off road (85%). Its a shame to see people use these as mall crawlers and i am not just talking about the tacos but the jeeps too and thats the sad truth.
Let people live. Not everyone wants a manual. I drove manual for 20 years. I wouldn’t want this truck in manual.
you wouldnt want a truck, is that what you mean ?and its ok and i said 90% of people who has this doesnt know how to drive a stick and we are talking about body on frame 4x4 with low range gearing issues as the automatic hunts for gears and if you drove a sedan or any other type of cars , the short stick throws are entirely different from these trucks which have long throws which are for crawl ratio low gears and the point is , a professional looking for a good towing rig would prefer this over the auto which uses the ECT power that makes the engine rev higher for max output which is not ideal. The manuals from 20 years ago are not the same as now.@@seeno1,
@@seeno1Right. It’s a pickup truck, not a sports car.
how's the comfort in it? i HATED the seating position in the past versions of the Taco
Turning radius getting larger actually really sucks. It was already not great, something that annoys me with my 3rd gen already
I noticed it on the earlier reveal and it doesn't seem to have improved any...What's with the infotainment screen? Toyota has had how many years to build a NEW and integrated interior. It looks like this was thrown together in a few months with hardly any input from consumers. That tablet infotainment screen stuck on top of the dash seriously looks like an afterthought.
That's kind of a standard Toyota interior design element now similar to Ford. I'm not a fan either...
Let’s go
That screen is too big, detracts from the dash, and should be integrated better.
Andre, ask Toyota why they don't make a free advertisement truck like Ford and Ram? Ranger Raptors, and the like, are merely forms of advertisement. They don't manufacture many of these trucks and don't make much money on there sale, but they get $MM in free publicity and perception.
Imagine the 2025 Toyota Tacoma Land King, or Toyota Tacoma KOTH ("King of the hill") edition or Toyota Tacoma Tomahawk- featuring a 3.4L twin turbo v6 with 465 HP and 610 pound-feet of torque at 2,400 rpm, Front locker, rear locker and center locker with a KDSS system. Sure, it would cost $108,000 and Toyota would only make 500 each year, but the Tacoma would be "King of the hill" in everything, including sales!