Analysis: Lovecraft & Theology in True Detective (Part 3)
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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0:00-1:35 Introduction
1:35-3:16 Part 2 Re-cap
3:16-5:25 The Book of Job
5:25-8:33 Rust Cohle's Sanctification
8:33-10:25 Encountering The Divine
10:25-14:15 The Divine Comedy
14:15-16:01 Tent Revival Sermon
16:01-17:52 A Cold and Broken Hallelujah
17:52-20:07 Nietzsche and Sacrifice
20:07-21:40 The Hammer vs The Gospel
21:40-23:00 Satan masked as The Yellow King
23:00-24:12 Christ, The True Shepherd
24:12-27:20 From Repentance to Restoration
27:20-28:27 A Sign of The Judgment
#truedetective #theology #divinecomedy
I'm an Orthodox Christian catechuman (I'll be chrismatied next month) and it was an awesome coincidence that I found your channel. God bless. ☦️
God bless you!
God bless you, and have a merry Christmas ❤
Rust gets stabbed in torso like Jesus on the cross.
Anybody noticed how Rust looks like a beaten Jesus Christ when his reflection appears on the glass when he’s in the hospital bed? Very profound essay.
My wife definitely shouted "Jesus!" Hahaha
The extra credit scene with writer and director address that and, thats what they were trying to convey that notion with that shot.
So much so now you say it!
I don't remember that commentary and I have the Blu-ray! Crazy!@@derekbidelman2442
Not to mention rust talking about the trinity of his father, himself the son, and his girl, his holy ghost in the ether. Pretty wild fucking show.
Catholic convert, Lovecraftian student for nigh on 25 years now, and I love True Detective S1!! So glad I found your series 🙌
You've done an interesting job of analyzing 'True Detective'. While Marty makes his own journey from pride to humility (crying in front of the family he lost), Rust goes through his own 'purgatory', from doubt to belief. It was a remarkable journey for both characters, and well-played by the actors. I particularly liked the scene at the revival tent, when Marty remarks to Rust, that for someone who professes to believe in nothing; he sure frets a lot about existence. Nice job. :)
I agree with you, and you raise an interesting point which is the Rust journey is one from doubt to believe and I can see why you make that remark, but I ultimately believe that Rust cognition or intelligence wasn''t align with his actions and because of that he suffers from the assimetry between he's actions and his reasoning. Once he realizes that once there was only dark his reasoning became more align with his actions and that gave him the neccessary simetry to access the more deeper recessess of our system (meaning the dialectic process between finite and the infinite or the bound and the unbound. I often think that much of what happens to us is that we put to much trust in our cognitive capacities, which are awesome, but is not the only thing that is in our system. Our capacity to connect with more abstract concepts of our existence comes not only through thinking but acting in the world in a particular manner and this makes for the jorney.
I really appreciate your comment and your ideas, they gave me a lot to think and feel. I'm sorry for the misspelings in english (is my second language and I don't practice or study nearly enough).
@@GG-tw1qw Not a problem. :) You made some very valid and interesting points - I think Rust was fighting a type of war within himself. I think he (as only someone like him) 'frets a lot about existence', as Marty puts it, 'for someone who doesn't believe'. And, you're quite correct in saying that, as remarkable as our cognitive abilities are; they're not the only way to understanding. Rust's near-death experience sort of put him back into alignment between action and reasoning. Anyway, I appreciate your comment, and for someone whose second language is English; you do much better than some of us for whom it's our first. :)
I'm an atheist, but I was raised Roman Catholic. This is very good. I've watched the whole series and you've earned a subscriber
The fact that Rust found Light, while close to death, in the Heart of Darkness that was Childress's ritual sacrifice chamber....after suffering so much pain, indignity and doubt, is just beautiful to me.
When Childress calls Rust little Priest as he is entering the building, it reminds me of when the demon calls out "MERRRRRRRRRRINN"!!!! when Fr. Merrin arrives at the house in that iconic scene in "The Exorcist". The demon recognizes Fr. Merrin from previous battles. I think it says something about Rust's true character that the evil man in this scene recognizes Rust as a Priest.
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An absolutely excellent series of videos. Thank you so much for this analysis.
Thank you! I have other similar projects in the works, so stick around.
Rust's arc as a conversion story is such a wonderful reading of it.
Thank you for the comment! I'm working on another video series like this, so stick around.
This series of works on true detective is one of the best things I've ever seen.
I hadn’t thought about true detective in years and rewatched it recently on a whim. Then I go to UA-cam looking for videos analyzing the deeper themes of the show and thought it was pretty serendipitous that these three videos came out very recently as well. I know it’s just a coincidence but I want to think it’s something more lol. Great videos man
I watch this show like once every 6 months. I show dude’s at the firehouse who have never seen it. Each time we binge watch the show in a single day. Thank you so much for this awesome analysis. As an atheist I always felt connected to Rust like he was saying all the things that I think out loud. This is a weird turn hearing your analysis and makes me feel like I have some thinking to do.
Be careful what you seek in the fire. You will surely find it.
I really enjoyed this series and it's fascinating how after this much time people are still analyzing and discussing its merits and themes. Love to see your take on the series Mr. Robot if you haven't done one already.
Oh yeah, I thought the same! Mr. Robot was amazing
Wow dude. Absolutely blown away by this. Truly one of the best philosophical understandings and breakdowns of the material at hand. I never thought about Rust as Job and Dante but now I can never unsee it. He truly went through hell to become the Shepard, and by the end he had fully seen the light. Truly excellent video my guy!
You should consider sending this off to a film school or amateur documentary festival or something
How do you only have 1.6k subs. This is amazing man. Keep up the work, I will be here for every video
I liked the way you have created this video, all the combinations of quotes,book,writers and philosophy.... It's so great
Thank you! I accomplished this only through faith and much prayer.
True Detective was absolutely incredible. Didn't watch it until last year and had no prior knowledge of it so it threw me for a loop. I know Rust gets the glory as he should, but Woody absolutely killed it too. Maggie as well. Too bad Breaking Bad was around the same time
Very well done. I just rewatched the show for the first time since I originally saw it, and came across this video. I loved your comparison with Dante and your allusions to the Cloud of Unknowing.
One thing I noticed upon watching your video were what I think are references to T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets in the show, especially Burnt Norton and Little Gidding. The first in its reflection on time and humanity. The second in its reflection on eschatology and theosis.
While watching this show, I had mostly turned off my critical thinking, just wanting to enjoy a mystery. But that sermon in the tent started, and I thought, "Hmm. That's actually not bad." This year, I've been heavily referencing "unveiled faces" in my own sermons. I had not thought to make the connection to Dante until seeing your video, and now all these bells and whistles are going off in my head. I suppose I'll need to watch the series again, this time with pad and paper ready to take notes. What really got me in your video was near your conclusion when you point out that the god in the True Detective universe is the LORD. Not any of the Lovecraftian elder gods. And I just think that's so interesting.
I can't remember who said it, but another priest had mentioned once that Lovecraftian was his favorite horror genre because it showed the horrors of a being or beings with the power of God who *don't* care about us. Frightening indeed!
Farewell happy fields where joy forever dwells.
Paradise Lost
Good analogy with the hammer and anvil 👍
Oh man! I'm not just being a flatterer when I say this dude, but you legit have a phenomenal work of art in your hands with this. This must've taken hella work! To be honest, I think you should compile all 3 parts into a single whole, because this is the first critical documentary (as far as I'm aware) of True Detective season 1, and my God, its really damn good. Serious job well done; and if anyone balks at the foray into the explicitly religious, never-mind them, it fits it perfectly, and adds even more depth to an already very deep show, and plus, the show beckons such an interpretive lens anyhow Great work man! And thanks for reminding me about this.
Thank you for these kind words. Yes I put a tremendous amount of research and day/night editing into this project, as well as a ton of Bible studying.
I felt like Rust in his storage unit going over decades of files and clues, clawing his brain out to crack the case. The similarities pretty much stop there, but yes. It was a challenge.
I have thought about submitting this series, and I might do so when I get time. I have also thought about doing THESE kind of videos exclusively from now on. It feels more fulfilling, viewers seem to enjoy, and honestly they're better content than something I cobble together over a day.
@@CinemacrestStudios I'd love to see more of this type of content! You should check out Terry Malicks films, starting with Thin Red Line, through to A Hidden Life. I'm currently working my way through Malicks oeuvre, and I've found a spiritual home and sanctuary in his work. His films are the most distinctive I've seen. A lot of people find his films maundering and unaccessible, but, if you're a particular type of person, they're transformative and beautiful. I'd love to see, if you find resonance in his films, this kind of in depth treatment and discussion and analysis of his films on your channel. He's also overtly, and profoundly, religious, in a very earnest, sophisticated and beautiful way. I think, if you like them, you'll have an absolute field day on them. I'd start with an article on Roger Ebert's website about Malicks-it can help orient a new-comer in what to expect and why.
@@poeticdiscourse Update for you, sir. I am diving headfirst into some of Malick's films, starting, as you advised, with Roger Ebert's article. I looked around for study/analysis type videos on his films and I found that Like Stories Of Old has made a beautiful 28-minute docu-analyis of his oeuvre. Thomas Flight also made a 20-minute study. Knowing LSOO's breadth and attention to detail I'm not sure if I can approach it with any hope to surpass him. But I am going to watch the films per your recommendation, and then see what is revealed to me by this.
@@CinemacrestStudios Thanks for the update, I'm delighted you're diving into his work! Yeah, I've seen just recently the other channels you mentioned engagement with his work, and they're very good, but it would be a shame if that halted whatever insights or analysis you might receive from Malick's art. You never know, man, something very valuable might be "revealed" to you, and if it is I'd love to see your take, but if you feel after watching the films that you don't have anything to add, that's OK too. You can't force these things, unfortunately. Nonetheless, one thing is for certain: your soul and heart will be the better for having met his films, even if it doesn't move you to make content about it. Ha, I'm just chuffed you actually took my suggestion serious. I've become somewhat of a Malick proselytiser.
Jesus, God or Light, transcendance, Savior Angel. The words dont matter anymore. I get your message. In the end the only thing that last is love and light. Thanks for this
Thank you for your comment! I appreciate hearing this.
This has been a very interesting take, and with your Christian Theological leanings, appreciative for its expression of an intelligent weaving of meaning and virtue, into this show that I truly love.
My point of contention, however, is that I wish to see more of this, going on into season 2 and season 3. And I am an Irish Pagan, so I dislike this cult distorting the processes of my people's festivals the same way that the Tuttles in True Detective distort the auspices of the Church.
Our spiritual enemies, are the same. Our champions, slightly different in regards to our lenses applied. But at least with how the messages are extolled, neither of us will have skill issues, in the faces of those enemies.
A secular way of describing a priest is a person who uses his knowledge of humanity and experience to help those around them. Who dedicates themselves to understanding the breadth of man, to help them.
Yes Rust is faithful. He contemplates how a man would allow himself to be crucified.
If God is dead; then he was here. My faith is built off that quote. If he was here, he is gone. When we realize how WE are individually constructed (realize our calling, destiny, what we do best in life) we inbody and become as close to Godliness as we humans can.
Very happy ti have found your channel! This video series has been fantastic, & was very insightful. 😊
The amount of passion and work you put into these videos truly transcends the screen! Huge fan!
Super underrated channel man, just finished your true detective series... amazing this is prime YT content I tell you the moment this reaches more people you are going to get well deserved attention. I'm watching more videos of yours now, a more in depth analysis of The Dark Knight would be awesome, specially about the Joker.
I'm sorry for not replying sooner. I do have an essay on The Dark Knight called "The Dark Knight & Nihilism: How Heath Ledger's Joker Embodies Ultimate Evil" : ua-cam.com/video/lvlbT2Na4SE/v-deo.html
@@CinemacrestStudios I already did xD I was suggesting that it would be awesome to watch one of your IN DEPTH analysis on The Dark Knight...👀
Great series and fascinating topic, this has changed how I view both True Detective and Theology
That is great to hear! I have more projects like this planned, so I hope you consider subscribing!
Very good analysis...I especially like how you tied it up all at the end
Love this trilogy of videos amazing work
TD Season 1 is truly perfection
Excellent work Brother!
Thank you for this beautiful video. I have one comment re translation of the New Testament into English: John 1:5 ( And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. " ) is not accurate. In the original Greek it reads " καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν. " The word " κατέλαβεν " means *overcome*. The translation has taken and translated the word " κατάλαβε " ( see the second vowel is an alpha, not an epsilon ) which means understood. Clearly the correct translation properly reflects the adversarial nature between the Light and the darkness. May I say again, what a great series of videos this was! Thanks again
Thank you for drawing attention to this detail. My Holman Bible says "overcome". The footnote says "Or grasp, or comprehend, or overtake, Jn 12:35".
I am not sure which is right. I can see both being correct in some sense, because evil cannot overcome Christ Jesus, nor can it really comprehend Him.
superb analysis
These in-depth dives Were brilliant, I have never seen one that goes into such detail! Keep up the very good work
Extremely well done!
Thank you!
This is called “ Apophatic Theology “ knowing by not knowing . Cloud of unknowing .
Magnificent. Thank you.
Love your theory, don't disagree with any of it. Valid interpretation. Personally I don't think that Rust is moving towards faith in Christianity, but he is certainly a man of great faith in The Light.
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all."
1 John 1:5
@@CinemacrestStudios You say there's safe passage for his lambs. There isn't any safe passage for that little boy and that little girl in that cellar, there isn't any safe passage for Dora Lange. Personally I don't think Rust would turn towards any god that allows such evil, no matter how beaten down he is.
@@HladgerdKissinger Rust and Marty rescued the boy and the girl, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Dora Lange, and all real life victims like her, are in the hands of God. It is up to Him.
The 'g'od you refer to must be some kind of false idol or daemon. The One True God I'm talking about is all-powerful, reconciling even the worst of sinners and the coldest of hearts to Himself.
@@CinemacrestStudios That is my ultimate qualm with the your analysis. You make it seem that your god is ultimately an all-consuming god, relinquishing nothing and desiring for all to be within him. If it was indeed your god's plan, even within the bounds of this story, he planned for that little boy and little girl to be locked up in that cellar and for them to be subject to the unspeakable. You forget that that little boy was dead a single day before Rust and Marty came to rescue him, and that little girl was sent to a psychiatric institution and that when Rust came to visit her, she was clearly mentally impaired by her time in that cellar. And within your bible itself, you either forget or neglect to mention that Job's wife and children were slain at all, and reconcile it with a shrug. "Well, he was given a new wife and new children. He was rewarded afterwards with a long and happy life." According to your analysis, you recognise that his wife and children are still dead, and died a most cruel manner, and you make it seem that your god had the opportunity to stop it and didn't.
@RageWinRAR I understand the perspective you've laid out. It goes back to the age-old question of "How can a good God allow evil to exist?" How can He allow people to kill and torture each other and commit other heinous acts? I don't think evil originates from God. It doesn't even originate from mankind. It is a result of a spiritual/metaphysical rebellion that preceded us. The facts you set forward about Job's family and the children in the cellar are true, but it wasn't God that put them there. Sin put them there. Evil has a face, a form and an intellect. God created us for relationship with Him in His nature, but we rebelled. Before Christ came and died there was a locked room (like the cellar), and *you* and *I* and all of humanity are the children bound and drugged. We were enslaved by darkness and sin, and, yes, subjected to the unspeakable. But when God became a man and died as a perfect sacrifice for our transgression, the door was forced open on its hinges and light came through. Not only do we have the opportunity for salvation from that locked room, but we have a Good Shepherd and a High Priest who sits at the right hand of the Father waiting for us when we die.
So, in summary, I agree that the world is a horrifying, dark, nasty place filled with evil. But I do believe there is hope and a life to come that is so much better than this that it's almost not worth comparing. I do believe there is a heaven and a hell, but God doesn't send you there. We send ourselves there when we deny His goodness and faithfulness. This is what caused sin in the first place.
I would say beware any salesman who sells you suffering as path to salvation
So, what is the path to salvation if not faith in God and the endurance of the suffering of life?
Thank you for your work.
Woe to the IDLE not "idol" shepherd, although that would apply too. Good work.
KJV says "idol". I had to verify this when I was studying for the video. biblehub.com/zechariah/11-17.htm
How very surprising to me. My mistake. I will look into this further!
underrated
Very well done, sir. Subbed.
1:00 - I’d take him more seriously if he did something about that outfit.
Before Job , in chronological order , the blood sacrificing indigenous animists and idol worshipers believed good and evil resided in many Gods and not within man . Christianity says the potential for both good and malevolence reside within man . We define sins based on common universals of negative personality traits , greed , lust , vanity , jealousy , doing away with both the need for the concept of many gods and human sacrifice . Christianity provides the solution for that . But they are only guidelines often in conflict with momentary self interest and it is up to each sovereign individual how he behaves .
The belief in God is as old as humanity itself and longevity proves that it satisfies some real need within us . This inalienable truth absents the need for concrete proof .
From our belief in morality we get our law and a society based on peaceful coexistence that is founded on promoting law and order . Morality comes from the belief in God . Destroy one and you destroy the other .
The Marxist atheists provide no solution for that . After first using anarchy and chaos to obtain power they murdered 100 million of their own families just to retain power when they colonized half the planet .
The question of whether there is or is not a God , is best left to a teenager running up on Life 101 , trying to figure out the world and their place in the world as a responsible adult . For any juvenile over 40 to promote atheism is suspect .
So we can raise our children in a moral society based on law and order , It really does not matter if as an individual we believe that God exists . What matters is that as a society we all behave as if God exists .
Using best cover of hallelujah as well 💪💪 love Jeff Buckley
It is an amazing cover.
I really would like to have a conversation with you. You seem very opened minded.
I believe that God its not the way we think he's. He's not the one who had created everything and he lives in heaven but I believe in a another dimension that we don't yet fully understand.
By the way thank you for this beautiful théories.
God said “let there be light”
Making God the light bearer
God is Lucifer who rebels against himself and casted himself out of heaven with help.
He is forever in self sacrifice.
He is the snake crucified on the tree of good *and* evil as an example whilst in the garden of Eden.
When that fails he goes to our level in the form of his son, Jesus to show us one last time in again a self sacrifice by crucifying himself with help.
The Abrahamic God is a sick being. And should be something we do not come in contact with. But we honor this God’s self sacrifice to save us from itself.
“Do not go into the light.” is a phrase said to those called back from death. A death that was once unknown to Adam and Eve before knowing *GOD*
I rest in peace and my case your honor.
If you want to fight the devil, start with God that it gets behind.
*crucifix drop*
"For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new. They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. But as for you, be serious about everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."
- 2 Timothy 4:3-5
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
- 1 John 4:1
"Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good."
- Romans 12:21
I am not having luck finding the full tent revival scene you mentioned. Can anyone connect me with a link to it? Much appreciated
I checked. The person who uploaded it has made the video private, unfortunately. You can buy the series online for $10-15 or rent for like $3.
While there is much beauty expressed in the text of Job I consider the actions of Yahweh to be abhorrent.
Yahweh allows his prosecutor Satan (The term Ha-Satan translates most directly to our word prosecutor. He very much works for Yahweh, not against him, in the OT) make Job suffer about as much as a man can suffer emotionally. He even allows his prosecutor kill job's family.
And at the end when job is "restored" is his family brought back to life? No. He gets a new family. Christians tend to gloss over that point by saying he has his family restored at the end but that's not true. His original wife and children are still dead. but a wife and kids were property to a man back then, so I guess that's an upgrade for Job in their eyes.
@ 8:46 Rust does not act in a "responsible, non-hedonistic" way. The man literally has sex with his "best-friend's" wife. Committing the first cardinal sin after honoring false gods & murder... Adultery. Did you watch the same show that i did?
Does a one-time affair really count as hedonism? Hedonists seek maximum pleasure in everything. Rust's lifestyle reflects the opposite of that.
Yes, he committed adultery which is a mortal sin, but he is not a man who would do that all the time (compulsively), at least from what I can tell.
I noticed that you too gloss over Job losing his wife and children. He doesn't get those back at the end. He gets a new wife and children. That's no big deal to the ancient Jews as they saw a wife and children as property.
Is that how you feel?
They saw women as a form of property but they also honored them. Have you read about Abraham and Sarah? I would take that kind of relationship over the backwards, inverted female-led relationships we see today. God specifically says in the Old Testament that man is the head of the woman and not the other way around. The Apostle Paul echoes this in 1 Corinthians 11:3, 7-9
"For man did not come from woman, but woman came from man. And man was not created for woman, but woman for man."
Job's family was taken from him as a test of his faith. That was the whole point. The Bible talks constantly about testing and trials and the fact that we have been placed here specifically for the purpose of being tested. We choose to follow God or mammon (satan). Also, Job's first wife told him to curse God and die when he was at rock bottom and in horrific pain, so I wouldn't consider her a model Christian wife. As far as his children go, I don't know. The book doesn't tell us much about them, so we don't know what they were like. All we know is that they feasted and invited each other to feasts. We don't know the specifics beyond that. Read Romans 9:19-24
Man, killer series of videos. Very thoughtful throughout but it kind of lost me toward the end. It seems as if all the suffering and futility in the world depicted in TD exists simply to provoke Rust's internal transformation so I'm no so sure about the conclusion regarding Christ as a redeemer. Rust actually doesn't save anyone (the children he rescues are damaged beyond repair) so I'm not certain how this reinforces the idea of Rust's soul (faith) being restored...
What about the little boy who was sitting by the window watching tv during the gang raid? (S1Ep4 "Who Goes There")
He also saved Marty by shooting Childress in the end. Both detectives saved anyone who might have fallen victim to the yellow king after that. They put down a demon/animal who probably could have continued abducting and killing for years.
@@CinemacrestStudios I get it. And I forgot about the kid. But I don't know, I felt a bit letdown by the ending... perhaps because for me the motivations of the villains themselves were abominable but unclear.
Yahweh is just Yaldaboath.
This is the only part of the show i dont like, basically because representing non believers as believers in denial mad at God is such a lazy cliche than even that trash movie God s not dead does it.
Bunch of gobbledygook of an answer.
I appreciate your criticism. It's funny, because a lot of the time I hate my own content before I upload it (especially with bigger projects that involve a lot of facts and details, like this one). I thought this was a decent video, but I also recognize some of the logical leaps and holes in the analysis. Could you elaborate on your overall criticism so that I can do better next time?
@@CinemacrestStudios I do not care to fix your ramblings. No one is paying me to care that much.
"Nobody is paying you". And yet here you are being a twat for the sake of being a twat @@briansimerl4014
What music starts at 10:30?