@@mrbast9017the French Tomcat (not just because it is variable geometry but also because it's so huge it could be mistaken for an airliner and get targeted by the IAF)
Can we please appreciate the fact that the Milan is one of very few planes able to catch Starfighters in that BR range? God I love that thing so much. Part of me is still mad that Gaijin gave it AIM-9B's and no flares, despite having flares and Magic 1's IRL, France never even used the AIM-9B, but part of me is also happy it has these shitty missiles because otherwise it probably wouldn't sit at such a low BR. Hugely underrated plane, I recommend it to everyone whenever it goes on sale.
I love the Milan but I must contradict you for the sake of historical accuracy; the Milan was only ever tested with 9b’s and all photos of it are shown with that missile. I don’t think it was impossible for it to carry magic 1’s though, and countermeasure pods were probably compatible.
Most Milan players are bomber pilots that wanted something faster after they flew a few dozen games in the F.222, and the rest are the ex Vautour grinders who got sick of no longer be able to run away after they dropped their load (or even able to reach the bombing zones without the air-spawn). AKA rarely any Milan player try's to fight back, despite the plane is capable to do so.
tbh after buying the milan from the recent 50% sale, I tried bombing like 5 times and figured out just using it as a fighter was way more worthwhile. Still sad that the insane F8U spam is aboslutley shoking the life out of the BR and 9.3~10.3 became a constant zone of torment
@@cookiecraze13103:1 is usually the middle ground most take which still is bullying the MiG(like everything that fought it, even the P-80 had 2 kills to one loss to MiGs.)
My brother in stupid, Charles de Gaulle was about as close to Vichy France as the north to the south pole. Great editing as usual, but man that joke's out of context. Also low-key the Mirage 3C is absolutely amazing at its BR. The 3-Kill deluxe plane since it faces tons of flares booties with 2 Magics and an air to air torpedo. It bleeds speed, yes. Less than a Draken these days although, I don't know for who that is sad though. It is genuinely amazing against anything besides an F8U and since F5C became a full uptier, even better.
The Kfir Canard is my favorite plane in the game. It singlehandedly brought me to the F-15A from the sakeen in just 2 weeks of grinding. It is the only premium I have ever bought that I consider a worthwhile purchase.
I'm Brazilian and I love your videos, keep going and let more mentions of Brazil come. ( Meme Guide of AMX and AMX A 1 It would be cool and it would certainly gain engagement from Brazilians)
Love your videos. Small correction to the modification section though, all the fighter mirage 3 get the radar missile stock nowadays. The unlock just gives the option for the IR version. Horsecock is ready from beginning to end of the grind
No worry bud, my mind will make the jewish joke on himself, dont worry, thats a really fun story honestly. Kinda wait for f-86 family meme guide, i believe they have some fun stories too
I didn't catch Vincent at first. But I was already giddy when I heard Liberation of Gracemaria for chapter 2, but then to hear the metal cover for the montage? Fucking Chef's kiss.
So many fantastic little jokes in this video. So far I've loved the soundtrack, especially the use of "Unwelcome School", the CdG joke about the EBR was also wild. Gonna edit as I get further into this video, but so far, every video has been better than the last. edit 1: I actually laughed so hard I fell out of my chair at the Mirage Detector joke edit 2: I SEE THE MILAN!!! NAVAL MENTIONED!!! I love the Naval unironically edit 3: The Kfir Canard portion was really well done. I've had the pleasure of seeing my local Kfir Canard aggressor fly over my University from Point Mugu and it is spectacular hearing it and watching it dogfight with F/A-18's from the Carl Vinson. edit 4: ok, I'm halfway through the Kfir C.7 portion and you've single-handedly convinced me to not only pick up the Kfir Canard but to play and spade the entire Israeli Tree. You never disappoint! Ok, now that I'm done with the video, you have continued to show that you not only deserve to be where you are, but you deserve so much more appreciation and love. Thank you and please don't overwork yourself.
I had so much success with Shahak that it became my main grinder for the tier. Your modification tree is Outdated. Shahak has the radar missiles early on.
Just to rectify Charles de Gaulle went to England before capitulation and sent a call through radio for any french willing to keep fighting despite the surrendering to go to London, so he's quite the opposite of anyone related to vichy
yes but he still was alive when it happened. He knew what happened to france when he was away. The joke was that he still had experience since he witnessed it during his life, even if he wasnt the one doing it.
This man cooks and his content is severely underrated. So take my 10 Türkish Liras(that's a whopping 0,27€) and do whatever you want. If only i could support you more but i am a student and economy here sucks. (Also may i ask the name of the song in the outro?)
Fun fact about the Israeli Mirages (and later early Nesher) : Dassault was not allowed to sell parts to Israel. But not Aerospatiale, another aircraft parts manufacturer. So Dassault was making the parts Israel voyld not produce themselves in the main factory under an Aerospatiale contract with Aerospatiale branding and sent the rebadged stuff to Israel
Just came across your stuff (only took the UA-cam algorithm 5 years to figure out I like War Thunder) and subscribed. You’ve obviously mastered the arcane art of the DEFA. I have more trouble with those guns than I do with the MK108s. 🤷 You do occasionally wobble on the line between joke and sounding like you’re happy to take the “Hey! Let’s go 💥💥💥 civilians and then hide among our own!” crew at their word. But everyone has their own opinions so I can’t fault you for one wrong one. 😉 So now it’s time for me to go and binge your prior work. Really looking forward to that.
Imma keep it real, idk why american players get the reputation for being terrible. I have equal progress in both the us and ussr trees, and if you look at my kd's in order from best to worst, it literally goes all of my russian planes, then all of my american ones. And everyone knows russian mains don't perform any better in those planes.
It's not just Americans its usually the big 3 who have this reputation, the U.S gets it more though because of the amount of low level premium players in top air
@@Yeeter000 not to mention they share a same thing with american ultranationalist: They cry every single time when their jet underperforming than other country jet
So Gaijin nerf rocket base bombing not because of IRIAF F-14 event, but because they got premonition that Donut put it in his video? That explain a lot.
Mirage IIIC my beloved, video was great! Should i go back and watch the Mirage 2k video or wait for the updated one as everything covered will be repeated?
Looking forward to Gaijingles to add the VTOL variants and the Atlas Cheetah right now to make this video outdated as quickly as possible (South African Mirage III that got rebuilt and upgraded with tech from the Kfir and some homegrown stuff, that includes a HUD, a HMD, ARH missles, fly-by-wire and up to 4000kg of ordanance and drop tanks. If it ends up in game itll probably be like the Bison)
I like how in none of milan shots you have kanards out (they deploy automatically after you preas flaps key when speed is low enough (it's like 400 kmph))
Heard from one of your older video comments that you are from Syria. After knowing that I realized why you were constantly making jokes on Israel and its vehicles. Tbh as a Muslim myself, seeing another Muslim joke about Israel and their *Actions* is funny. Not to mention I thought Hunter was the only Muslim CC on Warthunder but guess there is two now for which I am very glad.
Unrelated to the video, but I can't believe how long it took and how many times I've faced you in squad battles until I realised that DONUT is your squad, lol.
@@alvinplays5240 not even, even when the F-86 was outfitted with .50 cals, the MiG-15 only had energy advantage, the Sabre always had armament advantage AND speed advantage. The F-86 was THE response to the MiG-15 which was downing F-80s and B-29s in droves
@@Tir33nts343 sorry but saying that .50s were better than 23+37 combo is both dumb and against later US actions to replace 50s ASAP. Also MiG-15Bis was better in rate (thanks for engine, UK!), although Sabre could pull more AOA, so the "only enenergy advantage" is incorrect as well. You can check doghouse charts for that if you dont believe me.
@@stallfighter .50cals were lighter to load, had a faster belt and were more accurate, the NR-23mm was NOT good, it was slow, had issues with accuracy and couldn’t sustain long firing periods, the 37mm had its own issues, both made the plane heavier, the MiG was solid, but it couldn’t beat the m3 browning, they replaced the m3 browning only on a few f-86 sabres, the Sabre was also outfitted to hold rockets unlike the MiG
@@Tir33nts343 so, point by point: 1) By "lighter to load" you probably mean airfield maintenance, because armament weight of F-86A is 543 kg according to fligth manual, 255 kg for just guns and rounds w/o belts. Cant find total for MiG-15, 239 kg for just guns and shells, and belts add additional 40 kgs. I.e. armament weight is similar. Which is kinda bad for Sabre considering it is still inferior in firepower for no real benefit except easier time holding the trigger. I'm not even sure about accuracy thing because it is a ligther round and is more affected by external conditions. Another problem, 12.7s need some time on target (a lot of cases when MiG-15s returned with a lot of MG holes), which is problematic with increased speeds of jet combat, downright awful for bomber interceptions, and not amazing for ground attacks. Is it worth it for "easy to aim"? USN answered "no" with Panters having 20 mils, same for brits and french, and USAF itself wanted cannons as well, hence F-86F-2 (which didnt ended up well because of gun fumes engine ingestion issue and gun itself wasnt quite ready, NOT because they though "having MGs on jets in 50s is still totally normal"). 2) Regarding NR-23. First of all, 900 rpm is not slow at all for that period (highter RPM guns became a thing only after Korea, short of T-160 debute), you are probably confusing it with NS-37 (early MiG-15s had it), 690-720 m/s was not not good, that is true (although it is with old shells, cant find proper data for new ones that were adopted in late 40s, they had increased charges). Also with 60 rounds per gun their overheating issues had less impact on MiG specifically (they did for turret/tail gunners of bombers and attackers however). 3) MiG-15 had 2 S-21 rockets since *53 (REALLY big 212 mm rockets), and in 1955 it got S-5 rocket pods for 16 rockets per plane total. Not that it mattered in Korea anyway because MiGs were occupied with inteception duties, but it did had A2G armaments. So, in total, with sole exeption of ease of use against fighters (with damage issue still present), MiG armament was superior to MG-fitted F-86s. Later models, like Sabre Dog, had cannons for a reason. Was Korean-era Sabre (A and F models) a bad plane in total? Hell no, it still had some tech advantages like G-suit and instantaneous turn rate combo (will cost a lot of airspeed, use with caution), radar rangefinder gunsight (*at altitude **pls dont use it in dogfight against MiGs past about 1953 it will both kill itself and set MiG-15s RWR), and other things nice for pilot, plus highter top speed and boosted aerlions. But guns sure wasnt one of them.
Fun fact! The Kfir was actually designed by the IAF to specifically bomb bases and crash in War Thunder.
don't forget teamkilling after someone takes "their" base!
Mirage balsack
goyim kanard players!!
Really?!
@@frederik7411 yes 😄
Egyptian pilots hate this ONE simple trick!
This is a certified Dassault Aviation classic
well well well
Waiting for gaijin to add one of the two vtol mirages next update
the ballsack mirage
The variable geometry variants would also be cool
@@remagdak oh yes the Mirage G8
@@mrbast9017the French Tomcat (not just because it is variable geometry but also because it's so huge it could be mistaken for an airliner and get targeted by the IAF)
Frrrr same
Can we please appreciate the fact that the Milan is one of very few planes able to catch Starfighters in that BR range?
God I love that thing so much. Part of me is still mad that Gaijin gave it AIM-9B's and no flares, despite having flares and Magic 1's IRL, France never even used the AIM-9B, but part of me is also happy it has these shitty missiles because otherwise it probably wouldn't sit at such a low BR.
Hugely underrated plane, I recommend it to everyone whenever it goes on sale.
I love spanking 104s with my R530E when i use my Mirage 3C 😂😂😂 it's so much fun watching them try to outurn or outrun this missile, only to fail 😂😂
Milans are a snack for my F8U-2 loitering above the furball, one of the aircrafts that i can consistently kill
@@starliner2498 you can consistantly kill anything in that op plane
I love the Milan but I must contradict you for the sake of historical accuracy; the Milan was only ever tested with 9b’s and all photos of it are shown with that missile. I don’t think it was impossible for it to carry magic 1’s though, and countermeasure pods were probably compatible.
@@Onezmhu pogchamp plane :D
14:30 BRAZIL MENTIONED
the brazil algorithm will bless you
BRAZIL GANG 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
BRAZIL GANG RAAAAAAAH!!
kkkkkkkk
Give this dude a break he already spent 3 years editing this video 💔
It would be far better that he just gives up on top tier and moves on aircraft that are basiclly all in game.
Most Milan players are bomber pilots that wanted something faster after they flew a few dozen games in the F.222, and the rest are the ex Vautour grinders who got sick of no longer be able to run away after they dropped their load (or even able to reach the bombing zones without the air-spawn). AKA rarely any Milan player try's to fight back, despite the plane is capable to do so.
tbh after buying the milan from the recent 50% sale, I tried bombing like 5 times and figured out just using it as a fighter was way more worthwhile. Still sad that the insane F8U spam is aboslutley shoking the life out of the BR and 9.3~10.3 became a constant zone of torment
in a week gaijin will update all mirages just to spite donut
1:32 The Mirage III and it's doritotives
claiming the sabre got wiped in korea when it had a 5:1 KD ratio is crazy
Fr
Closer to 2:1 KD, but still absolutely did not get wiped.
@@cookiecraze13103:1 is usually the middle ground most take which still is bullying the MiG(like everything that fought it, even the P-80 had 2 kills to one loss to MiGs.)
My brother in stupid, Charles de Gaulle was about as close to Vichy France as the north to the south pole. Great editing as usual, but man that joke's out of context.
Also low-key the Mirage 3C is absolutely amazing at its BR. The 3-Kill deluxe plane since it faces tons of flares booties with 2 Magics and an air to air torpedo. It bleeds speed, yes. Less than a Draken these days although, I don't know for who that is sad though. It is genuinely amazing against anything besides an F8U and since F5C became a full uptier, even better.
The Kfir Canard is my favorite plane in the game. It singlehandedly brought me to the F-15A from the sakeen in just 2 weeks of grinding. It is the only premium I have ever bought that I consider a worthwhile purchase.
Donut has got to start writing scripts about using all the things in game that need to be fixed and then they will be fixed immediately
This has to be one of the most fun I’ve had watching a Warthunder video. The quality, editing, jokes. Chefs kiss, this is the Dorito video of all time
I'm Brazilian and I love your videos, keep going and let more mentions of Brazil come.
( Meme Guide of AMX and AMX A 1 It would be cool and it would certainly gain engagement from Brazilians)
One of my favourite series on youtube, keep it up!!
Love your videos. Small correction to the modification section though, all the fighter mirage 3 get the radar missile stock nowadays. The unlock just gives the option for the IR version. Horsecock is ready from beginning to end of the grind
4:53 do my eyes deceive me or did your squad mate get killed by a bomb lol
yeah these random squadmates are something else man.
@@DonutWithMustache average lvl 10 premium player
As a Brazilian, yes you have summoned me, good taste on music btw, as soon as i heard Curtain Rise i knew the video would be good.
i would love to see a meme guide of the bf 109, that shit would be fire with your insanely good editing.
0:13 I need that mirage family tree, pls someone help
Let me know if you find it
unwelcome school mentioned in a god tier video we are SO back
No worry bud, my mind will make the jewish joke on himself, dont worry, thats a really fun story honestly. Kinda wait for f-86 family meme guide, i believe they have some fun stories too
Can't wait to see the redone first 3 meme guides! Good luck brother.
I didn't catch Vincent at first. But I was already giddy when I heard Liberation of Gracemaria for chapter 2, but then to hear the metal cover for the montage?
Fucking Chef's kiss.
OMG i love the ace combat 6 theme , soo much, i love that you included that hidden gem.
Certified Banger, cannot wait
Loved the Israel jokes 😂
Ikr, they're amazing
Cant wait how will donut roast my beautiful Colombia when the Kfir C.10/12 COA is finally added to the game
"watch the mig wipe the floor with the saber" *10:1 k/d in the sabers favor*
Of course the Atar is based on the BMW 003, SNECMA got the german guys that built it when WW2 ended
The 101 yes but the 9C is like 12 years newer than the 101 and should be considered different
So many fantastic little jokes in this video. So far I've loved the soundtrack, especially the use of "Unwelcome School", the CdG joke about the EBR was also wild. Gonna edit as I get further into this video, but so far, every video has been better than the last.
edit 1: I actually laughed so hard I fell out of my chair at the Mirage Detector joke
edit 2: I SEE THE MILAN!!! NAVAL MENTIONED!!! I love the Naval unironically
edit 3: The Kfir Canard portion was really well done. I've had the pleasure of seeing my local Kfir Canard aggressor fly over my University from Point Mugu and it is spectacular hearing it and watching it dogfight with F/A-18's from the Carl Vinson.
edit 4: ok, I'm halfway through the Kfir C.7 portion and you've single-handedly convinced me to not only pick up the Kfir Canard but to play and spade the entire Israeli Tree. You never disappoint!
Ok, now that I'm done with the video, you have continued to show that you not only deserve to be where you are, but you deserve so much more appreciation and love. Thank you and please don't overwork yourself.
Are u an Israeli.
@@rickfastly2671there's no corner of the internet the Israeli social media farms haven't reached
@@rickfastly2671 nope! Mexican-American!
I am loving the black and white animation clips in these videos now
You should do a Meme guide on the Swedish Viggens. I'd love to see that!
Yess, sweden dorito and family meme guide.
I had so much success with Shahak that it became my main grinder for the tier.
Your modification tree is Outdated. Shahak has the radar missiles early on.
Kfir c10 is coming lets go
something tells me that theres a subtle message in this video but I can't quite put my finger on what it is
the idf wants to do "the most humane" things to this man
Just to rectify Charles de Gaulle went to England before capitulation and sent a call through radio for any french willing to keep fighting despite the surrendering to go to London, so he's quite the opposite of anyone related to vichy
yes but he still was alive when it happened. He knew what happened to france when he was away. The joke was that he still had experience since he witnessed it during his life, even if he wasnt the one doing it.
@@DonutWithMustachePresentation is everything and that joke came off as disingenuous somehow.
Not my opinion but it's how it comes off as.
Since you've uploaded this video, I'm excited for the Atlas Cheetah they're going to announce in a months time
The chat at 41:16 is funny as hell
It's sad seeing these beautifully edited videos still fails to beat that one gambling video in terms of views
0:56 the song is 'Guardians Of the Fleet'- Meteor
F14 soundtrack on Mirage video
Thank you for giving song sauce. I hate knowing songs or liking em but never finding them
@Ryzard no problem, it was the only song I noticed, so I thought the least I could do was give the name.
What can i say, he invoked my people and now im here
Eu amo o canal desse cara
This man cooks and his content is severely underrated. So take my 10 Türkish Liras(that's a whopping 0,27€) and do whatever you want. If only i could support you more but i am a student and economy here sucks. (Also may i ask the name of the song in the outro?)
Fun fact about the Israeli Mirages (and later early Nesher) : Dassault was not allowed to sell parts to Israel. But not Aerospatiale, another aircraft parts manufacturer. So Dassault was making the parts Israel voyld not produce themselves in the main factory under an Aerospatiale contract with Aerospatiale branding and sent the rebadged stuff to Israel
Just came across your stuff (only took the UA-cam algorithm 5 years to figure out I like War Thunder) and subscribed. You’ve obviously mastered the arcane art of the DEFA. I have more trouble with those guns than I do with the MK108s. 🤷
You do occasionally wobble on the line between joke and sounding like you’re happy to take the “Hey! Let’s go 💥💥💥 civilians and then hide among our own!” crew at their word. But everyone has their own opinions so I can’t fault you for one wrong one. 😉
So now it’s time for me to go and binge your prior work. Really looking forward to that.
Every time Gaijin changes something about planes that donut is doing a video on, that means it’ll be out 2 weeks later
Holy shit, the mirage was doing the 2000’s Mini Coopers before it was cool! British styling with a German engine!
Love this man and also the F1 references are just beautiful
Bro im waching this and building my first KSP plane, coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Imma keep it real, idk why american players get the reputation for being terrible. I have equal progress in both the us and ussr trees, and if you look at my kd's in order from best to worst, it literally goes all of my russian planes, then all of my american ones. And everyone knows russian mains don't perform any better in those planes.
It's not just Americans its usually the big 3 who have this reputation, the U.S gets it more though because of the amount of low level premium players in top air
@@Yeeter000 not to mention they share a same thing with american ultranationalist: They cry every single time when their jet underperforming than other country jet
@@cdeAB-tb9bm Exactly, they take it as an insult to their whole country
We need a playlist of all the songs 🙏🙏🙏
The more "gaijin changed stuff so i had to change the video" events that happen per video, the more bangin said video will be
Mossad stealing the mirage design is crazy and not in any way surprising
Man, the quality of each vidéo is better and better
I like the Mirage 5f and the F1CT because they have all their missiles stock
I _love_ the digs at Israel,also one of your better vids imo,keep at it donut
I counted like 8 hospital jokes holy moly
certainly, IOF approved 👍
I was waiting for this. Nice video
Very rare use of actual modern kirby musics in WT video.(Two Planets approach the Roche limit, A Full Speed Farewell from the New World)
now all we need is gaijin adding a new mirage III, so this video is outdated like the every other
came for the dorito memes stayed for the genocide jokes
Hi! I really love your guides! Hope to see f-5 and friends! :)
So Gaijin nerf rocket base bombing not because of IRIAF F-14 event, but because they got premonition that Donut put it in his video?
That explain a lot.
Thank god the Milan was in the modification section now I know what to research
Love the AC6 ost you put in there, one of my favorite games of all time, third to AC zero and halo 3
Mirage IIIC my beloved, video was great! Should i go back and watch the Mirage 2k video or wait for the updated one as everything covered will be repeated?
14:30 BRAZIL MENTIONED 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🔥🔥🔥 WHATAFUCK IS AN ECONOMY RAAAAAAHH 🔥🔥
Just as I get the Mirage 2000C-S5, this video releases
Another fire video you 🔥! You must have learned putting things on fire from a certain country.
Gaza Groper mentioned
This came out right after I finished the French Techtree. great video! and accurate lol
Low-key excited, but also wished it was a mega-guide with all the Mirages in one video
15:32 as soon as i hear the Unwelcome School i know bro about to drop some godtier montage
Brazil mentioned, glad you liked the skin, I'm reworking it to improve the resolution
Thank you for the Project Wingman background music
fuckin love it when you place AC music in these vids bro.
Donut: Ok, time to make another script, Gaijin please don't-
Gaijin: update and patch notes*
do a video about SACLOS missiles so the snail finally fixes them
Im glad i know english just to see your videos, Brazil👍🇧🇷
Heeeeyn I'm Brazilian and I love your videos ❤
Every time I see one of doughnuts video's, I'm more and more convinced I am straight cheeks at this game.
Weekend War and Liberation of Gracemaria were ABSOLUTE banger songs for this video, the Mustached donut has blessed us once again!
Looking forward to Gaijingles to add the VTOL variants and the Atlas Cheetah right now to make this video outdated as quickly as possible (South African Mirage III that got rebuilt and upgraded with tech from the Kfir and some homegrown stuff, that includes a HUD, a HMD, ARH missles, fly-by-wire and up to 4000kg of ordanance and drop tanks. If it ends up in game itll probably be like the Bison)
Ive always thought that the draken was the first over mach 2 but it seems like the Mirage beat it with just a month or 2🤣
first delta wing over, English electric lightning was mach 2 before the mirage :D
wait till he finds out the kfir c10 is coming next update, so his video will instantly be outdated AGAIN.
I like how in none of milan shots you have kanards out (they deploy automatically after you preas flaps key when speed is low enough (it's like 400 kmph))
15:34 Unwelcome school is unexpected soundtrack 💀
Heard from one of your older video comments that you are from Syria. After knowing that I realized why you were constantly making jokes on Israel and its vehicles. Tbh as a Muslim myself, seeing another Muslim joke about Israel and their *Actions* is funny. Not to mention I thought Hunter was the only Muslim CC on Warthunder but guess there is two now for which I am very glad.
there is also war thunder youtuber "Jord", who is from Jordan.
@@DonutWithMustache Nice, gonna check him out too
Big up Israel
I may be drunk but ofc ill watch your videos 3x
You should show those f5c players some appreciation since they all attempted the any % high tier speedrun!
Unrelated to the video, but I can't believe how long it took and how many times I've faced you in squad battles until I realised that DONUT is your squad, lol.
This guy jokes for Israel got himself a new subcriber
MiG-15 did not wipe the floor with the Sabre, the Sabre held the victory ratio AT LEAST 1.3 to 1
I mean at firts but then yes, the sabre win more
@@alvinplays5240 not even, even when the F-86 was outfitted with .50 cals, the MiG-15 only had energy advantage, the Sabre always had armament advantage AND speed advantage. The F-86 was THE response to the MiG-15 which was downing F-80s and B-29s in droves
@@Tir33nts343 sorry but saying that .50s were better than 23+37 combo is both dumb and against later US actions to replace 50s ASAP. Also MiG-15Bis was better in rate (thanks for engine, UK!), although Sabre could pull more AOA, so the "only enenergy advantage" is incorrect as well. You can check doghouse charts for that if you dont believe me.
@@stallfighter .50cals were lighter to load, had a faster belt and were more accurate, the NR-23mm was NOT good, it was slow, had issues with accuracy and couldn’t sustain long firing periods, the 37mm had its own issues, both made the plane heavier, the MiG was solid, but it couldn’t beat the m3 browning, they replaced the m3 browning only on a few f-86 sabres, the Sabre was also outfitted to hold rockets unlike the MiG
@@Tir33nts343 so, point by point:
1) By "lighter to load" you probably mean airfield maintenance, because armament weight of F-86A is 543 kg according to fligth manual, 255 kg for just guns and rounds w/o belts.
Cant find total for MiG-15, 239 kg for just guns and shells, and belts add additional 40 kgs. I.e. armament weight is similar. Which is kinda bad for Sabre considering it is still inferior in firepower for no real benefit except easier time holding the trigger.
I'm not even sure about accuracy thing because it is a ligther round and is more affected by external conditions. Another problem, 12.7s need some time on target (a lot of cases when MiG-15s returned with a lot of MG holes), which is problematic with increased speeds of jet combat, downright awful for bomber interceptions, and not amazing for ground attacks.
Is it worth it for "easy to aim"? USN answered "no" with Panters having 20 mils, same for brits and french, and USAF itself wanted cannons as well, hence F-86F-2 (which didnt ended up well because of gun fumes engine ingestion issue and gun itself wasnt quite ready, NOT because they though "having MGs on jets in 50s is still totally normal").
2) Regarding NR-23. First of all, 900 rpm is not slow at all for that period (highter RPM guns became a thing only after Korea, short of T-160 debute), you are probably confusing it with NS-37 (early MiG-15s had it), 690-720 m/s was not not good, that is true (although it is with old shells, cant find proper data for new ones that were adopted in late 40s, they had increased charges). Also with 60 rounds per gun their overheating issues had less impact on MiG specifically (they did for turret/tail gunners of bombers and attackers however).
3) MiG-15 had 2 S-21 rockets since *53 (REALLY big 212 mm rockets), and in 1955 it got S-5 rocket pods for 16 rockets per plane total. Not that it mattered in Korea anyway because MiGs were occupied with inteception duties, but it did had A2G armaments.
So, in total, with sole exeption of ease of use against fighters (with damage issue still present), MiG armament was superior to MG-fitted F-86s. Later models, like Sabre Dog, had cannons for a reason.
Was Korean-era Sabre (A and F models) a bad plane in total? Hell no, it still had some tech advantages like G-suit and instantaneous turn rate combo (will cost a lot of airspeed, use with caution), radar rangefinder gunsight (*at altitude **pls dont use it in dogfight against MiGs past about 1953 it will both kill itself and set MiG-15s RWR), and other things nice for pilot, plus highter top speed and boosted aerlions. But guns sure wasnt one of them.
I see Doughnut post, I enjoy my dinner
15:33 Unwelcome School kill montage in a Brazilian camo is was NOT what I expected to see today.
Man really had to hit me with the outro song like that 🤧
Draken and Viggen meme guide (hey atleast they wont change anything major right well they wont atleast add a new 1)
J35 please. All the Doritos must be taste tested