If Kazumasa was still alive during the Mongol Invasion. I believe he would publicly condemn the Ghost to maintain his image but would secretly provide funds to his son’s mission
Oh absolutely Kasumasa was already half of the ghost He was brutal, cruel and unfair but still faced the opponents headon That would be the only difference between them I wonder if jin was able to become the ghost because they are both relatives of close blood Pple do tend to be very similar to those closest related And has saw Kazumasa actions on iki
@@blu3d3vil97 Jin became the ghost out of necessity, to do whatever it takes to drive out the invaders, not because he enjoys it. Compassion is what sets him apart from his ruthless father who sees people as tools to wield to establish his superiority. He calls the opposing force "rats" is dehumanizing ppl defending their homes while Jin even as a teen objects and questions this level of violence because he sees people instead of animals like his father. He does not revel in the events there, hates it even, but is complied to follow his father. Prove to him he is a worthy son etc. What sets him apart from his father is the inherent level of empathy, to see people as people no matter their class, which is why he as the ghost has the support of the general population, as he is and is perceived by them to fight for them, not against them. The whole point of the dlc is basically for Jin to face his past and to let go of his survivor guilt, yes, but also to show that underneath the warrior is a kind man who cares deeply about his home, nature (he is basically a feudal disney prince playing the flute in the forest for the animals lol) its people and how to improve their lives instead to destroy it as his father did. Like, there are several instances where Jin says and affirms that he is not like his father, and it shows in how he treats those, outside of his enemies, with compassion instead disdain. He makes different choices than his father did, and thus stops the cycle of hate and death started in the past instead to repeat it. (choosing not to kill you know who... spoilers spoilers xD) KM has failed Jin as a father, was never present in the way Jin needed him to be. KM even called him too soft to be a samurai when this "softness" is actually Jin's biggest strength and what sets him greatly apart from KM and why Jin is able to reconcile with the raiders despite their brutal history with his father/samurai. That and his strong sense of justice, to right the wrong no matter what. Sry for textwalling you but i I really like the dichotomy of Jin's kindness & deep care for others with him slashing off the heads off his enemies and hunt them down to the last men as the ghost of their nightmares, haha.
If you paid attention to what Yuriko said when you first return to Jin's home village to collect the armor and get the ability to poison enemies, you can probably remember her saying something along the lines of "Your father wasn't much for the conventional style of warfare either, you and him have much more in common than you think." I definitely think that while Kazumasa would look down on the backstabbing and trickery, he would love the fear that Jin has weaponized to attack the enemy and reduce friendly casualties.
I can see how Shimura would be against using fear as a weapon, given that it's what got Kazumasa killed. But he got so lost in his fantasy of honor and discipline that he wouldn't adapt to a new threat because "it is not honorable." Jin truly took the best parts of both Kazumasa and Shimura and made his own "code of honor" from them.
@@TheACTIONZto be fair, being feared because of your scary mask and helmet is a far cry from being feared because you poison an entire platoon of army or butchering villages of raider families.
@@aadarshpandey3024 or perhaps accepting the ghost but telling him to be careful who he performs the actions around maybe that the real shimura couldn’t perform deceptive tactics even though he is more than capable a civilian conversation says he deceive me mongols and bandits into killing each other but no evidence of his involvement was ever found Jin was too blatant with the ghost tactics and did not know much about maintaining reputation
Considering that in the story of ghosts of tsushima that the wind that guides you is implied to be Jins fathers spirit. I'd say he agrees with The ghost.
I thought the same. Someone else pointed out that in ghost stance the wind still directs you to the nearest enemy. I think Kazumasa would be on board with the ghost if he saw what Jin had seen.
Yuriko, Jin's caretaker and served under Kazumasa, said Kazumasa would have approve of The Ghost. Kazumasa and Shimura always argued about their differences.
I don’t know if I remembered this correctly, but there is yellow bird following us in exploration. And I think it could be his mother. Not really sure if it makes sense
In my Opinion, I support Kazumasa Sakai and his brutal tactics after all it made his enemies afraid of him. His son Jin Sakai did the same with the mongols and became the Ghost of Tsushima due to his brutal tactics and for being dishonorable, very similar to his father Kazumasa Sakai who became the butcher of Iki Island due to his brutal tactics and for being dishonorable but both The Butcher of Iki (Father) and Ghost of Tsushima (Son) became legends. I'm so hype for Ghost of Tsushima 2 PS5, CHEERS 💙
@@ntfoperative9432 There were raiders hiding amongst the civilians, not saying that butchering all of them was the right choice but you can put just as much blame on the raiders for using their own civilians as a sort of cover or meat shield from the samurai rather than fighting to the death, then again honor is not what raiders strive for so it makes sense for them to use such tactics instead of fighting bravely especially when facing certain death like the samurai did with the mongols
@@ntfoperative9432 Raider's were posing as civilians. There is pretty much no way to identify before you stabbed in the back. Unlike Jin who was fighting Mongols that you know, don't hide among people. The Raider's could be anyone. Even young kids can be groomed into murdering and you will never know. So he did what he had to
From shimura he inherited fighting abilities, knowledge and I think also popularity. Shimura however doesn't care how many people he will lose to achieve his goal and follows code of honor which costs him a lot
Also to make note of the different teaching styles between lord shimura and jins father; Jins father gave alot of hands on approach, was very indirect in teaching, expecting his son to see and then do as is shown...hoping the experience will rub off on him to make him a fighter, with a "learn as you go" approach... treating his jin more as a soldier first and a son second Lord shimmura, over all, was very direct in teaching jin, showing him whats right and wrong....even when wounded by the assassin, he didnt miss the opportunity to lecture him about the "proper way" to do things...lord shimmura treated jin as someone who needed to learn, step by step...from training at the mansion, to hunting an animal....shimmura treated jin as "a son" first, and later as a soldier...
Nah kazumaza will probably support the ghost if you do the yuriko side missions she says that there's always bin a rift between kazumasa and shimura cause how honor bound shimura and rigid he is while kazumasa is more "creative"
Always felt that shimura had some sort of tension with kazumaza, especially how (in my eyes) he was trying to steal Jin away from him by wanting to adopt him and follow HIS code
@@Wolf-bz6kq to be fair Kazumasa had 0 idea how to deal with jin after his wife's death if i were an uncle who saw that type of relationship with my best bro child i would not feel too happy about that too xD
@@throttlestraw yea it's one thing to foster Jin but to give him the shimura name and essentially surrendering the Sakai clan to extinction says enough. Like shimura was saying " I took your son and made him call ME father and the Sakai clan ends with you" to kazumaza
8:00 This is actually stated by Yuriko during her string of tales, too, that Kazumasa often argued with Lord Shimura, and that he might not be as against his methods as Jin thinks he would be.
@@_UA-cam-User_ what I meant is that he would never let innocents die, as in prioritizing the lives of peasants, warriors, and other Japanese. As shown when Jin proposes the idea of poisoning Mongols to Shimura
Honestly I absolutely Loved how Iki Island expanded upon who Kazumasa Sakai was and his brutal destruction of the Iki Islands, showing how actually samurais conducted themselves and allowed Jin to show to everyone despite him using brutal and vicious tactics he still cared for the civilian life and rebuilt the legacy of Sakai family not only as a butcher but a rebuilder of all of Japan
as someone who sunk 400 hours into got in the first 9 months i got it i love that it got the same staying power with you as well to make these videos, love the varied content❤️
Yeah, honestly, he was dishonorable. I remembered playing the gaming. It said that he attacked villages without weapons and tied innocent people to trees and everyone is getting up on Jin for poisoning just one camp of Mongol’s
The real reason why Shimura pushed Jin so hard is because he doesn't want Jin to end up becoming his father. It was mentioned that Jin and Kazumasa often disagrees, and probably his methods are something Shimura disagrees with the most. Despite this, Shimura never says a bad word about Kazumasa to Jin, presumably because he wanted to preserve the good memories of Kazumasa for Jin. Although, Shimura strives for honor, all he ever wanted for Jin is to not cross that line. People points out that Shimura was a hypocrite when he asked Jin to let Yuna take the fall for him, but at that moment, he wasn't talking to him as a samurai but as a father to son. Agree or disagree, Kazumasa's way of life caused much of the pain for young Jin, something Shimura doesn't want to repeat. I'm sure, he started out just as Jin was, to help people. But when the end justifies the means, even Jin can go the same dark path that Kazumasa took. Which makes The Eagle's last words, more of a warning than most.
I think Shimura deaply disaproved of Kasumasa's method of terror and indiscriminate slaughter, seing them as dishonorable. I think he made it is mission to ensure Jin never became as bloodthursty as his father, and when Jin became the Ghost, in Shimura's mind he became the monster his father was.
"Let the Shimuras of the world keep records and manage councils..We are the lightning in the storm...The avalanche that topples a mountain." - Kazumasa Sakai
Kazumasa:accuracte depiction of samurai in the beginnings Shimura: the fanatical honor bound that tries to excuse the crap the samurai did by never bringing it up and saying its all about honor
KAzumasa would definitely help Jin where his uncle is a man of the idea of honour and the ideals of a worrier jins father is the reality of what that would mean
I think the dlc shows that the Ghost was a hybrid between Kazumasa and Shimura. Jin’s father was barbaric and implemented a terror campaign onto the people of Iki just like Jin did to the mongols but Shimura’s honor did show its way. Jin would never take the lives of the innocent and never use his tactics on the people of Tsushima or iki just to get the job done. He only acted the way he did out of necessity to stop an enemy that the samurai honor code could not account for he wasn’t cruel and ruthless just as a way of life like his father was on the battlefield.
i saw someone once mention that since kazumasa was the wind, he guided him to yuna after he fought the khan the first time, indicating that yes he did support the idea of the ghost
The legendary SAMURAI HONORABRU CODE is largely a myth. It's kind of a massive over exaggeration of a moral ideal almost no one even tried to live by. It's mostly an invention of classic samurai flicks, which is suiting considering those films are a huge inspiration for this game. Kazumasa is much, much more realistic of a samurai of this, or even later, time periods. Stealth attacks and brutalizing villages that harboured their enemies absolutely were on the table in war even against other local factions, letalone invaders. Kazumasa is the reality, Shimura is the ideal. I feel like the main game satirized or even outright mocked this ideal of HONORABRU with Shimura bending his honor code himself to have smugglers who were his little informants or how he tried to pin the DISHONORABRU actions on Yuna and have her killed. Then again, I don't believe the Shogun would be concerned with honor tactics against mongols and demand recompense for them bot being followed... lol
I get the feeling Shimura tried to overcorrect with Jin because he knew how terrifying Kazamasa was. And that his methods were not honorable or right in the way he believed. So he focused on his perception of honor and the samurai way to keep Jin from going down his father's path. And of course he failed.
I personally think the iki adventure if it was not after shimura's duel it would be just before it (finding peace with his father by blood before the duel with his father figure)
Kazumasa would stand with Jin had he actually survived Kazumasa is not really bound by honor like Shimura and he would do what it takes to win Shimura and Kazumasa would be at each other throats since Shimura would would be focused on fighting with honor and Kazumasa would be focused at winning at all cost Kazumasa might even fight the Samauri to save his own son It's not clear if Kazumasa would be the leading the reinforcements or if Kazumasa would be with the raiders helping jin and Yuna
Kazumasa should have used diplomacy. Approach each raider camp and talk with their leaders for a negotiation. They would leave some samurai presence on the island, just a small presence, acting as an outpost that would report activities on Iki to the Shogun. Then over time, they would send more samurai and establish more samurai presence on Iki, perhaps with the construction of Fort Sakai. Samurai would not intervene with raider activities, atleast not yet, unless they are directly threatening the samurai on Iki or on the rest of Tsushima. Samurai would slowly take over Iki without bloodshed. Using the disguise as a "peace force". Essentially, using colonization tactics. For example: the nation of Indonesia was colonized by the Dutch. How did they do it? By coming in peace and set up a presence there. Over time, they send soldiers and eventually took over modern-day Indonesia by either military force, or through (pro-Dutch) diplomacy or manipulation.
i think it’s a great expansion because it doesn’t feel forced, it goes into the story jins father and how that impacted him which is a secondary story to the main one and also gives us and jin more closure
@@arthurmorganhimself yeah it doesn't feel unnecessary cuz im not gonna lie i though that guarma wasnt important at all (unless you count on how it made arthur more likely to think for himself and see beyond dutches lies and worsened his tb aswell)
@@goldendragon8929 100% like chapter 5 in rdr coulda replaced guarma with any other event that impacted arthur to accelerate his tb whereas iki island gives jin and us the full story and relationship of his father and his death and why he blames it on himself, like it gives us more lore about him while naturally intertwining it with the poison arc so it’s not shoved in your face, love it personally
It’s better because it’s optional, it’s something u can save until the end game when the actual main threat of the story is dead, so instead of feeling like a giant distraction from the main conflict it’s an actual expansion that extends the story in an effective way. Not saying Guarma wasn’t effective in its own way because it shows the “bad” gang members descent and Arthur’s own character development where he changes for the better, but everything about it feels like a huge waste of time while the rest of the gang is helplessly wandering the swamps not knowing of you or the others will ever come back or not
@@ZegetaX1 Jin done practically nothing wrong. also since Kazumasa was the one he killed first, whats the point to kill someone's child where the guy is already dead
A traitor. Kazumasa had no room in his heart for growth. Everything different was monstrous, and needed to be put to the sword. There are many ways you can wield a dagger. Some are mundane, some are vicious, some are inspired. All Kazumasa cared about, consisted of two points: 1 - Owning up to the task he was charged with. 2 - The eradication of these lower beings, whom were just normal farmers and villagefolk.
When you fight to protect your people, you dont use them as a shield. When you use the people you protect as a shield, like the raiders did, you're gonna be in the crossfire.
@@Agent-57those peasants are families to the raiders. They were hiding with their families. Yeah, they were wrong to do that, but to them, the raiders did what they did to survive. It's really a brutal situation, but Kazumasa didn't help by just putting swords on everybody. Through Jin, we can see how more beneficial it is to actually negotiate and compromise.
There's a butcher in there alright, it's not Kazumasa. They butchered and tarnished Kazumasa's image. Originally, I don't know if it was bandits, or the rebellion, he died to those instead of some misunderstood, poor raiders. Shimura then hunted down his nephew's father's killers and slew them one by one. There was no mention of Iki Island. Sucker Punch studios HAD to villainize Kazumasa, for whatever reason.
Ikr they couldve made a prequel starring kazumasa seeing both him and jin were very similiar even in game shown that kazumasa would approve of the ghost as yuriko confirms it
If Kazumasa was still alive during the Mongol Invasion. I believe he would publicly condemn the Ghost to maintain his image but would secretly provide funds to his son’s mission
Oh absolutely
Kasumasa was already half of the ghost
He was brutal, cruel and unfair but still faced the opponents headon
That would be the only difference between them
I wonder if jin was able to become the ghost because they are both relatives of close blood
Pple do tend to be very similar to those closest related
And has saw Kazumasa actions on iki
@@blu3d3vil97 Jin became the ghost out of necessity, to do whatever it takes to drive out the invaders, not because he enjoys it. Compassion is what sets him apart from his ruthless father who sees people as tools to wield to establish his superiority. He calls the opposing force "rats" is dehumanizing ppl defending their homes while Jin even as a teen objects and questions this level of violence because he sees people instead of animals like his father. He does not revel in the events there, hates it even, but is complied to follow his father. Prove to him he is a worthy son etc. What sets him apart from his father is the inherent level of empathy, to see people as people no matter their class, which is why he as the ghost has the support of the general population, as he is and is perceived by them to fight for them, not against them.
The whole point of the dlc is basically for Jin to face his past and to let go of his survivor guilt, yes, but also to show that underneath the warrior is a kind man who cares deeply about his home, nature (he is basically a feudal disney prince playing the flute in the forest for the animals lol) its people and how to improve their lives instead to destroy it as his father did. Like, there are several instances where Jin says and affirms that he is not like his father, and it shows in how he treats those, outside of his enemies, with compassion instead disdain. He makes different choices than his father did, and thus stops the cycle of hate and death started in the past instead to repeat it. (choosing not to kill you know who... spoilers spoilers xD)
KM has failed Jin as a father, was never present in the way Jin needed him to be. KM even called him too soft to be a samurai when this "softness" is actually Jin's biggest strength and what sets him greatly apart from KM and why Jin is able to reconcile with the raiders despite their brutal history with his father/samurai. That and his strong sense of justice, to right the wrong no matter what.
Sry for textwalling you but i I really like the dichotomy of Jin's kindness & deep care for others with him slashing off the heads off his enemies and hunt them down to the last men as the ghost of their nightmares, haha.
Perfect
Wonder that also if his father supported his son during that invasion ether secretly helping him or something.
If you paid attention to what Yuriko said when you first return to Jin's home village to collect the armor and get the ability to poison enemies, you can probably remember her saying something along the lines of "Your father wasn't much for the conventional style of warfare either, you and him have much more in common than you think."
I definitely think that while Kazumasa would look down on the backstabbing and trickery, he would love the fear that Jin has weaponized to attack the enemy and reduce friendly casualties.
What Jin originally thought his dad was: a great man that was sadly cut down by his son’s cowardice.
What his dad actually was: The prototype ghost.
son is not coward he think already. if jin help killer still kill both of them although kazumasa never said so cause eagle poison jin
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I can see how Shimura would be against using fear as a weapon, given that it's what got Kazumasa killed. But he got so lost in his fantasy of honor and discipline that he wouldn't adapt to a new threat because "it is not honorable."
Jin truly took the best parts of both Kazumasa and Shimura and made his own "code of honor" from them.
He says that while the samurai have masks and helmets that strike fear into their opponents.
@@TheACTIONZ he himself wears a helmet with demon horns lmao
Don't remember if he's ever shown with a mask, or at least a full mask.
@@TheACTIONZto be fair, being feared because of your scary mask and helmet is a far cry from being feared because you poison an entire platoon of army or butchering villages of raider families.
Kazumasa is more what a historical samurai was compared to the hyper honor bound and fantasy like Shimura
My guess shimura prefer a more honest method of fighting and also helps preserve reputation as being too brutal can start revolutions
Shimura could have easily saved Jin by lying a bit so that he and Shimura wouldn't have to fight
@@aadarshpandey3024 or perhaps accepting the ghost but telling him to be careful who he performs the actions around maybe that the real shimura couldn’t perform deceptive tactics even though he is more than capable a civilian conversation says he deceive me mongols and bandits into killing each other but no evidence of his involvement was ever found
Jin was too blatant with the ghost tactics and did not know much about maintaining reputation
Yeah he probably would’ve pushed Jin to be more secretive about his actions or hell faked his son’s death.
I was thinking the same thing. Kazumasa was far truer to who the Samurai really were.
Considering that in the story of ghosts of tsushima that the wind that guides you is implied to be Jins fathers spirit. I'd say he agrees with The ghost.
I thought the same. Someone else pointed out that in ghost stance the wind still directs you to the nearest enemy. I think Kazumasa would be on board with the ghost if he saw what Jin had seen.
Yuriko, Jin's caretaker and served under Kazumasa, said Kazumasa would have approve of The Ghost. Kazumasa and Shimura always argued about their differences.
Implied?
At the end of Iki Island, the guiding wind creates the shape of Kazumasa out of leaves. It's way more than implied.
I don’t know if I remembered this correctly, but there is yellow bird following us in exploration. And I think it could be his mother. Not really sure if it makes sense
@@Kolegadodz Yes you are correct. Wind is the father and yellow bird is the mother.
Kazumasa- *Real samurai shit*
Lord shimura- *honor porn*
The Virginia Shimura vs the Chad Kazumasa
@@thenexus8384 Kazumasa- comiter of war crimes.
Shimura- victim of war crimes.
In my Opinion, I support Kazumasa Sakai and his brutal tactics after all it made his enemies afraid of him. His son Jin Sakai did the same with the mongols and became the Ghost of Tsushima due to his brutal tactics and for being dishonorable, very similar to his father Kazumasa Sakai who became the butcher of Iki Island due to his brutal tactics and for being dishonorable but both The Butcher of Iki (Father) and Ghost of Tsushima (Son) became legends.
I'm so hype for Ghost of Tsushima 2 PS5, CHEERS 💙
I was ok with Kazumasa, until he went after the civilians. He had no reason to butcher the village
@@ntfoperative9432 There were raiders hiding amongst the civilians, not saying that butchering all of them was the right choice but you can put just as much blame on the raiders for using their own civilians as a sort of cover or meat shield from the samurai rather than fighting to the death, then again honor is not what raiders strive for so it makes sense for them to use such tactics instead of fighting bravely especially when facing certain death like the samurai did with the mongols
are you implying that jin killed civilians
I do not hope for it .... They will woke a fly it transgender black Muslim samiui do you wAnt that
@@ntfoperative9432 Raider's were posing as civilians. There is pretty much no way to identify before you stabbed in the back. Unlike Jin who was fighting Mongols that you know, don't hide among people.
The Raider's could be anyone. Even young kids can be groomed into murdering and you will never know. So he did what he had to
Jin is a mix of both Shimura and Kazumasa, he's got his father's tactics and some of his ways, but he upholds innocent lives.
From shimura he inherited fighting abilities, knowledge and I think also popularity. Shimura however doesn't care how many people he will lose to achieve his goal and follows code of honor which costs him a lot
Also to make note of the different teaching styles between lord shimura and jins father;
Jins father gave alot of hands on approach, was very indirect in teaching, expecting his son to see and then do as is shown...hoping the experience will rub off on him to make him a fighter, with a "learn as you go" approach... treating his jin more as a soldier first and a son second
Lord shimmura, over all, was very direct in teaching jin, showing him whats right and wrong....even when wounded by the assassin, he didnt miss the opportunity to lecture him about the "proper way" to do things...lord shimmura treated jin as someone who needed to learn, step by step...from training at the mansion, to hunting an animal....shimmura treated jin as "a son" first, and later as a soldier...
Nah kazumaza will probably support the ghost if you do the yuriko side missions she says that there's always bin a rift between kazumasa and shimura cause how honor bound shimura and rigid he is while kazumasa is more "creative"
The strength we need is all around us
Always felt that shimura had some sort of tension with kazumaza, especially how (in my eyes) he was trying to steal Jin away from him by wanting to adopt him and follow HIS code
@@Wolf-bz6kq to be fair Kazumasa had 0 idea how to deal with jin after his wife's death if i were an uncle who saw that type of relationship with my best bro child i would not feel too happy about that too xD
@@throttlestraw yea it's one thing to foster Jin but to give him the shimura name and essentially surrendering the Sakai clan to extinction says enough. Like shimura was saying " I took your son and made him call ME father and the Sakai clan ends with you" to kazumaza
@@Wolf-bz6kq nah they had disagreements but those two were practically brothers when shimura called upon kazumasa he answered
8:00 This is actually stated by Yuriko during her string of tales, too, that Kazumasa often argued with Lord Shimura, and that he might not be as against his methods as Jin thinks he would be.
Kazumasa was basically to Iki what the Ghost was to the Mongols
But more brutal. Jin would never kill innocent lives.
@@norispade32 None of the Mongols were innocent so he could go to extreme measures to kill them without killing innocents
@@_UA-cam-User_ what I meant is that he would never let innocents die, as in prioritizing the lives of peasants, warriors, and other Japanese. As shown when Jin proposes the idea of poisoning Mongols to Shimura
Kazumasa's ways is the lore accurate samurai of that timeline in history. Doing whatever it takes to win.
true no wonder he became the butcher of iki
"The Butcher and The Ghost" sounds sick
If you do Yuriko’s first side quest, you can hear her say that Kazumasa thought Lord Shimura was too rigid, And that Kazumasa had “imagination”
Honestly I absolutely Loved how Iki Island expanded upon who Kazumasa Sakai was and his brutal destruction of the Iki Islands, showing how actually samurais conducted themselves and allowed Jin to show to everyone despite him using brutal and vicious tactics he still cared for the civilian life and rebuilt the legacy of Sakai family not only as a butcher but a rebuilder of all of Japan
Yep, Kazumasa's story adds a lot of depth to Jin's character in my eyes. This was a great direction for a DLC to go into.
as someone who sunk 400 hours into got in the first 9 months i got it i love that it got the same staying power with you as well to make these videos, love the varied content❤️
Yeah, honestly, he was dishonorable. I remembered playing the gaming. It said that he attacked villages without weapons and tied innocent people to trees and everyone is getting up on Jin for poisoning just one camp of Mongol’s
The real reason why Shimura pushed Jin so hard is because he doesn't want Jin to end up becoming his father. It was mentioned that Jin and Kazumasa often disagrees, and probably his methods are something Shimura disagrees with the most. Despite this, Shimura never says a bad word about Kazumasa to Jin, presumably because he wanted to preserve the good memories of Kazumasa for Jin. Although, Shimura strives for honor, all he ever wanted for Jin is to not cross that line. People points out that Shimura was a hypocrite when he asked Jin to let Yuna take the fall for him, but at that moment, he wasn't talking to him as a samurai but as a father to son. Agree or disagree, Kazumasa's way of life caused much of the pain for young Jin, something Shimura doesn't want to repeat. I'm sure, he started out just as Jin was, to help people. But when the end justifies the means, even Jin can go the same dark path that Kazumasa took. Which makes The Eagle's last words, more of a warning than most.
i see
Should've just blamed it all on Ryuzo, imo. Its not like he could've defended himself at that point
I think that Jin's dad was more "loose" with the code. Which is why he would support Jin from the shadows.
I think Shimura deaply disaproved of Kasumasa's method of terror and indiscriminate slaughter, seing them as dishonorable. I think he made it is mission to ensure Jin never became as bloodthursty as his father, and when Jin became the Ghost, in Shimura's mind he became the monster his father was.
Imagine this: Jin as the Ghost and Kazumasa as the Devil. I bet there would be no Mongols left alive.
"Let the Shimuras of the world keep records and manage councils..We are the lightning in the storm...The avalanche that topples a mountain." - Kazumasa Sakai
"Now I have become the whisper that toppled castles"
“May your death benefit all beings”
Kazumasa:accuracte depiction of samurai in the beginnings
Shimura: the fanatical honor bound that tries to excuse the crap the samurai did by never bringing it up and saying its all about honor
I mean it makes some sense to want to bring a criminal haven to heel.
The whole of Tsushima was criminal haven before the samurai came in
@@GnosisZXyeah the samurai had brought discipline and law and in Iki they were doing the same
KAzumasa would definitely help Jin where his uncle is a man of the idea of honour and the ideals of a worrier jins father is the reality of what that would mean
I always like to think that the guiding wind is the embodiment of Kazumasa's spirit, guiding, helping and supporting his son, Jin on his journey.
TBH Kazumasa was more honorable than Shimura in terms of feudal Japan definition of honor
Oddly enough it's the dirty work that made you more "Honorable" in the eyes of your lord
I think the dlc shows that the Ghost was a hybrid between Kazumasa and Shimura. Jin’s father was barbaric and implemented a terror campaign onto the people of Iki just like Jin did to the mongols but Shimura’s honor did show its way. Jin would never take the lives of the innocent and never use his tactics on the people of Tsushima or iki just to get the job done. He only acted the way he did out of necessity to stop an enemy that the samurai honor code could not account for he wasn’t cruel and ruthless just as a way of life like his father was on the battlefield.
i saw someone once mention that since kazumasa was the wind, he guided him to yuna after he fought the khan the first time, indicating that yes he did support the idea of the ghost
Ahhh you wear the kensei armor. Another man of culture.
The legendary SAMURAI HONORABRU CODE is largely a myth. It's kind of a massive over exaggeration of a moral ideal almost no one even tried to live by. It's mostly an invention of classic samurai flicks, which is suiting considering those films are a huge inspiration for this game. Kazumasa is much, much more realistic of a samurai of this, or even later, time periods. Stealth attacks and brutalizing villages that harboured their enemies absolutely were on the table in war even against other local factions, letalone invaders. Kazumasa is the reality, Shimura is the ideal.
I feel like the main game satirized or even outright mocked this ideal of HONORABRU with Shimura bending his honor code himself to have smugglers who were his little informants or how he tried to pin the DISHONORABRU actions on Yuna and have her killed. Then again, I don't believe the Shogun would be concerned with honor tactics against mongols and demand recompense for them bot being followed... lol
I get the feeling Shimura tried to overcorrect with Jin because he knew how terrifying Kazamasa was. And that his methods were not honorable or right in the way he believed. So he focused on his perception of honor and the samurai way to keep Jin from going down his father's path. And of course he failed.
I personally think the iki adventure if it was not after shimura's duel it would be just before it (finding peace with his father by blood before the duel with his father figure)
Biggest death retcon in the snow from the north of Tsushima lol
Kazumasa would stand with Jin had he actually survived
Kazumasa is not really bound by honor like Shimura and he would do what it takes to win
Shimura and Kazumasa would be at each other throats since Shimura would would be focused on fighting with honor and Kazumasa would be focused at winning at all cost
Kazumasa might even fight the Samauri to save his own son
It's not clear if Kazumasa would be the leading the reinforcements or if Kazumasa would be with the raiders helping jin and Yuna
He would absolutely revel in the Evidence of how effective his son's tactics are. Somewhere in between Samurai and Shinobi
first I thought kazumasa was a bad honorless leader but he seemed like a better leader than shimura
Crazy, the only difference between the two, one destroyed people who layed claim for years and the other destroyed villains from far lands
I don’t fully support him butchering an entire island but still. That horse armor is badass
Kazumasa should have used diplomacy. Approach each raider camp and talk with their leaders for a negotiation. They would leave some samurai presence on the island, just a small presence, acting as an outpost that would report activities on Iki to the Shogun. Then over time, they would send more samurai and establish more samurai presence on Iki, perhaps with the construction of Fort Sakai. Samurai would not intervene with raider activities, atleast not yet, unless they are directly threatening the samurai on Iki or on the rest of Tsushima. Samurai would slowly take over Iki without bloodshed. Using the disguise as a "peace force".
Essentially, using colonization tactics. For example: the nation of Indonesia was colonized by the Dutch. How did they do it? By coming in peace and set up a presence there. Over time, they send soldiers and eventually took over modern-day Indonesia by either military force, or through (pro-Dutch) diplomacy or manipulation.
I just got to icki island and ngl its like rdr2 guarma but done better
i think it’s a great expansion because it doesn’t feel forced, it goes into the story jins father and how that impacted him which is a secondary story to the main one and also gives us and jin more closure
@@arthurmorganhimself yeah it doesn't feel unnecessary cuz im not gonna lie i though that guarma wasnt important at all (unless you count on how it made arthur more likely to think for himself and see beyond dutches lies and worsened his tb aswell)
@@goldendragon8929 100% like chapter 5 in rdr coulda replaced guarma with any other event that impacted arthur to accelerate his tb whereas iki island gives jin and us the full story and relationship of his father and his death and why he blames it on himself, like it gives us more lore about him while naturally intertwining it with the poison arc so it’s not shoved in your face, love it personally
It’s better because it’s optional, it’s something u can save until the end game when the actual main threat of the story is dead, so instead of feeling like a giant distraction from the main conflict it’s an actual expansion that extends the story in an effective way. Not saying Guarma wasn’t effective in its own way because it shows the “bad” gang members descent and Arthur’s own character development where he changes for the better, but everything about it feels like a huge waste of time while the rest of the gang is helplessly wandering the swamps not knowing of you or the others will ever come back or not
I LOVE the comparisons between rdr2 and got
The Mongols would have to be strategic if Kazumasa was still alive because he would butcher Mongols left and right
I feel like if Kazumasa was still alive Jin would be even more powerful cause he would have to two most powerful people in Tsushima to train him
Kazumasa would've probably become the ghost if he survived and Jin probably dying in the hands of the Iki raiders or the mongols
who is Yasuke again?
In the video how is it that he’s playing or watching as young jin is it a mod or?
Its a flashback in the side stories of the dlc
@@CynicGTAhow can you watch the flashback or is it a mod?
@@aayanafzal9090they are missions on iki island. not mods
Why didn’t Ikki kill Jin
In their eyes, he redeemed the Sakai name by aiding them. Just like Yarikawa, Jin makes allies out of old enemies to fight the Mongols
@@alexandermagnus82 I mean when he was a child
@@ZegetaX1they didn’t want to kill a child
@@ZegetaX1 Jin done practically nothing wrong. also since Kazumasa was the one he killed first, whats the point to kill someone's child where the guy is already dead
I might be wrong af.. but after playing the dlc idk why I felt the feeling that Jin wanted he’s father to die cause of the things he did
Kazumasa's death truly benefited all beings.
A traitor. Kazumasa had no room in his heart for growth. Everything different was monstrous, and needed to be put to the sword.
There are many ways you can wield a dagger. Some are mundane, some are vicious, some are inspired.
All Kazumasa cared about, consisted of two points:
1 - Owning up to the task he was charged with.
2 - The eradication of these lower beings, whom were just normal farmers and villagefolk.
He was killing raiders. Who were posing as peasants.
Normal farmer those were raiders whom it seems the people shelter
When you fight to protect your people, you dont use them as a shield.
When you use the people you protect as a shield, like the raiders did, you're gonna be in the crossfire.
@@Agent-57those peasants are families to the raiders. They were hiding with their families. Yeah, they were wrong to do that, but to them, the raiders did what they did to survive. It's really a brutal situation, but Kazumasa didn't help by just putting swords on everybody. Through Jin, we can see how more beneficial it is to actually negotiate and compromise.
There's a butcher in there alright, it's not Kazumasa. They butchered and tarnished Kazumasa's image.
Originally, I don't know if it was bandits, or the rebellion, he died to those instead of some misunderstood, poor raiders. Shimura then hunted down his nephew's father's killers and slew them one by one. There was no mention of Iki Island.
Sucker Punch studios HAD to villainize Kazumasa, for whatever reason.
Ikr they couldve made a prequel starring kazumasa seeing both him and jin were very similiar even in game shown that kazumasa would approve of the ghost as yuriko confirms it
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