Thank you so much, Rob!!! My mother use to say that one of our ancestors lost their land in a poker game - part of the land that is now Valles Caldera. I’ve never found anything to support that story - and she never said when it might have happened. My maternal grandmother’s family is Baca/Cabeza de Baca. Continuing to work on that section of our genealogy. Some stories have been especially tough to learn about the treatment of my Pueblo ancestors by my Spanish ancestors.
We are related, The Baca house in las Golondrinas in La Cienega, was my Great great grandfathers, I was told he lost the ranch in a poker game to the Ortiz y Pinos. 🤷🏻♀️
@@lortiz-baca7720 HI!!!!!!!!! 💜🎉💜 Now to find out if it’s even a true story or if they passed it down the line!!! So glad I’m not the only one who was told that!!! Which Baca was your GGG??? Mine was Jesus Cabeza de Baca.
Hello from Tijeras, sir. I'm the grandson of Representative Frank Brown, Eddy County, and also grandson of architect Kern Smith of Carlsbad. I appreciate your videos profoundly. Our history is so unique in the USA, almost like our own little treasure. I'm looking forward to learning more from you.
I grew up playing at La Vega in San Luis, Colorado, part of the Sangre de Cristo Land Grant, I think. If I'm correct, the Vega is one of the only 2 remaining land commons in the country. The other is Boston Commons in Mass. The Vega is still used for grazing as was it's original purpose. Please correct me if I'm not accurate. I'm writing from memory and not research.
we like use more the word virreinal no colonial because they haven't a traditional colonial system, virreinatos have a lot of authonomy and land grants was a prove..but very interesting speech
I hAve a original 1836 Spanish land grant document filed in Beaver County, Oklahoma. It is thecorginal document, stsmped when filed. My Great grandfather was the clerk for the county. I can send ya a picture of rhe document.
Were the land grants only in Nothern NM? Is the village of Las Nutrias a land grant community? My mother's family (Romero) was from Las Nutrias. Thanks
@rob martinez do land grants still exist today? are they are still relevant or is it a thing of the past? and how are land grants different than land patents?
Land grants from the Spanish and Mexican periods still exist in New Mexico. The challenge has been US land law interpreting ancient Spanish land laws in place for centuries.
Something I'm not sure if you're aware of or not, after Franco left power a new monarchy was put in place. The current king of Spain, Felipe Seis de España, is related to the British monarchy. Most monarchs all across Europe are related these days. I wouldn't expect too many future disputes between English and Spanish speaking countries over who gets to rule former Spanish territories. They're on the same team now. Their focus is on Russia. It'll be many years before any English speaking and Spanish speaking countries go to war with one another.
Both the 1860 and 1870 U.S. Censuses list "Los Valles de San Antonio" which listed hundreds of residents for that location !! I have not been able to pin down the exact location, although I have an idea that it was Southeast of Las Vegas at or near what is now referred to as La Liendre !! Hopefully, You have some info on this !!
@@robmartinez7517 If I remember correctly, I think my Grand Father, Epifanio Duran, born in 1867, was Baptized at Anton Chico !! I have previously checked with various offices at the Court House in Las Vegas, but no one had any idea as to it's location!! Thanh You for your prompt reply !!
Thank you for sharing, my family (Gonzales) owned thousands of acres in northern NM about 8 miles out of Las Vegas NM , Mineral Hill is what it was called. They got their land through this system hundreds of years ago. Sadly it was all sold in the 40's...
Land Grants, we're also given to early Americans in the early years of America. The NATIVE AMERICANS, REALLY, GOT TAKEN, IN MOST CASES. THE NATIVE AMERICANS, ARE NOW GETTING A BREAK, BECAUSE OF CASINOS.
Robert you need to read a real land grant they are specific I would be happy to educate you you misconception you are excerpting false pretenses to those that may seek to convey inherited land grant from ancestors and I can give you examples My Greatest grandmother was Dolores Aramijo And Alonso Garcia de Noriega ans Esteban Jaun Garcia de Noriega are my Greatest grandparents and I can prove it
Señor Martinez, saludos desde España......no pierda nunca nuestra lengua que es de sus ancestros y muestrese siempre orgulloso de su origen!!!!!!
Thank you so much, Rob!!! My mother use to say that one of our ancestors lost their land in a poker game - part of the land that is now Valles Caldera. I’ve never found anything to support that story - and she never said when it might have happened. My maternal grandmother’s family is Baca/Cabeza de Baca. Continuing to work on that section of our genealogy. Some stories have been especially tough to learn about the treatment of my Pueblo ancestors by my Spanish ancestors.
We are related, The Baca house in las Golondrinas in La Cienega, was my Great great grandfathers, I was told he lost the ranch in a poker game to the Ortiz y Pinos. 🤷🏻♀️
@@lortiz-baca7720 HI!!!!!!!!! 💜🎉💜 Now to find out if it’s even a true story or if they passed it down the line!!! So glad I’m not the only one who was told that!!! Which Baca was your GGG??? Mine was Jesus Cabeza de Baca.
Hello from Tijeras, sir. I'm the grandson of Representative Frank Brown, Eddy County, and also grandson of architect Kern Smith of Carlsbad. I appreciate your videos profoundly. Our history is so unique in the USA, almost like our own little treasure. I'm looking forward to learning more from you.
Thank you, Doug!
THANKS ROB! GREAT LECTURES!
Rob- you’re an awesome storyteller. I am learning so much from your videos❤ muchas gracias
God bless all Hispanic people and our culture!! Up the Spanish Empire and the Catholic Church! The most beautiful culture on earth!!!!
I grew up playing at La Vega in San Luis, Colorado, part of the Sangre de Cristo Land Grant, I think. If I'm correct, the Vega is one of the only 2 remaining land commons in the country. The other is Boston Commons in Mass. The Vega is still used for grazing as was it's original purpose. Please correct me if I'm not accurate. I'm writing from memory and not research.
Very informative, thanks.
we like use more the word virreinal no colonial because they haven't a traditional colonial system, virreinatos have a lot of authonomy and land grants was a prove..but very interesting speech
Do you know if the Valdez line was granted any land,my grandfather was was Graviel Valdez who homestead Valdez, Colorado
I hAve a original 1836 Spanish land grant document filed in Beaver County, Oklahoma. It is thecorginal document, stsmped when filed. My Great grandfather was the clerk for the county. I can send ya a picture of rhe document.
I have a copy of a land grant. Can anyone tell me whether it is authentic? 1768 Ojo De San José. I know who has an original.
Were the land grants only in Nothern NM? Is the village of Las Nutrias a land grant community? My mother's family (Romero) was from Las Nutrias. Thanks
@rob martinez do land grants still exist today? are they are still relevant or is it a thing of the past? and how are land grants different than land patents?
Land grants from the Spanish and Mexican periods still exist in New Mexico. The challenge has been US land law interpreting ancient Spanish land laws in place for centuries.
@@robmartinez7517 do you know any case law that talks about this? and do you by chance know if land grants are different than land patents?
@@Bamidele-ee8ch Read Lawsuits and Landgrants in Northern New Mexico by Malcolm Ebright, it is a good source to answer such legal questions.
You’re the best Mr. Martinez! Muchas gracias/Ahxéhéé’ ntsáagoo
Can you let me know, if the Balli also had land grants over there, ad they where royal bloodline and protectors of the King of Spain.
Sorry, I am not familiar with that term.
Something I'm not sure if you're aware of or not, after Franco left power a new monarchy was put in place. The current king of Spain, Felipe Seis de España, is related to the British monarchy. Most monarchs all across Europe are related these days. I wouldn't expect too many future disputes between English and Spanish speaking countries over who gets to rule former Spanish territories. They're on the same team now. Their focus is on Russia. It'll be many years before any English speaking and Spanish speaking countries go to war with one another.
Both the 1860 and 1870 U.S. Censuses list "Los Valles de San Antonio" which listed hundreds of residents for that location !! I have not been able to pin down the exact
location, although I have an idea that it was Southeast of Las Vegas at or near what
is now referred to as La Liendre !! Hopefully, You have some info on this !!
Not sure. My guess would be in the vicinity of Anton Chico. Could be La Liendre today.
@@robmartinez7517 If I remember correctly, I think my Grand Father, Epifanio
Duran, born in 1867, was Baptized at Anton Chico !! I have previously checked with various offices at the Court House in Las Vegas, but no one
had any idea as to it's location!! Thanh You for your prompt reply !!
Thank you for sharing, my family (Gonzales) owned thousands of acres in northern NM about 8 miles out of Las Vegas NM , Mineral Hill is what it was called. They got their land through this system hundreds of years ago. Sadly it was all sold in the 40's...
R we related? Just curious. I came from a gonzales fanily that lived near springer
Land Grants, we're also given
to early Americans in the
early years of America.
The NATIVE AMERICANS,
REALLY, GOT TAKEN, IN MOST CASES.
THE NATIVE AMERICANS, ARE NOW GETTING A BREAK, BECAUSE OF CASINOS.
This guy says "um" too much, I recommend editing that out next time. No offense but this video mad silly.
I'm the guy in the video and I would, um, have to agree!😂
the amount of times you said uh and uhm during this video pissed me off
Thanks for watching!
Robert you need to read a real land grant they are specific I would be happy to educate you you misconception you are excerpting false pretenses to those that may seek to convey inherited land grant from ancestors and I can give you examples My Greatest grandmother was Dolores Aramijo And Alonso Garcia de Noriega ans Esteban Jaun Garcia de Noriega are my Greatest grandparents and I can prove it
I'm sure you can prove all that. I also descend from Garcia de Noriega. Take care!