Man this CAB M makes Guillaume’s pedalboard shine !! The tones are more organic, more defined, more depth it’s just like more of everything and everything we like 😄🤘🏻
Got the HX Stomp, love it love it love it! Lots of option paralysis though. It is indeed collecting dust since I dived into pedals on a Cab M. It "feels" better playing it, more direct. I can't explain, I just enjoy it a little more.
I can relate. The Line6 stuff is objectively awesome... But it doesn't feel the same as having all of those pedals with their knobs and switches laid out in front of you. A patchwork of different artwork, sizes and styles. All of the options immediately visible, any subtle finetuning or drastic switch are just a flick or a turn away...
@@wouldoox8024 Best get an FRFR cab (no need to look for "FRFR" specifically, any active 12" speaker will do). You can use headphones for home practice, but I never really totally dig the sound.
Option paralysis is exactly what I experienced with the Line 6 Pod HD Pro. I've had it for about ten years, and I feel like I tweaked more than I played. I was thinking about the Helix, tried the demo of the software, but I was overwhelmed. Then I got into pedals, limited my options (but I still have many sounds) and my playing has improved and I'm more productive as a songwriter.
So you get the HX Stomp. You're done. No need for any more stomp boxes, no more shopping for that dream pedal, no more hiding pedals from your spouse, no more need to watch youtube,........... no more fun......
Don't know if you guys will see this comment, but this video is exactly what I was looking for. Throughout the video I was smiling because it felt as if you both were speaking my mind! Excellent work gentlemen. Looking forward to more of your banters.
Straight away, gotta give it up to the HX Stomp. Pair the Stomp with a couple of analog pedals on the smallest Harley Benton board and you got yourself a decent rig that will last!
Agreed, while I love my Roland Jc40, I wish I didn’t sell my hx stomp for it. I wish I kept my hx stomp and saved up for the Jc40, would’ve been the perfect combo stereo rig for me
Beauty of a demo this. Clearly indicating there is no right or wrong. Both sound great. Closing comments are bang on. Advantages of a pedalboard especially one like this with a plethora of options and the CabM allows you to switch pedals. Ut yet limiting you to stay within the feature set of the pedals you have whereas the multifx provides everything - disadvantages of a multifx is the endless tweaking possibilities to get even one tone right. And at the end of the the day, analog / part analog signal chains have that warmth that only a player can feel :) Great Demo! Thanks guys. Thanks Anmol for the link!
The strat sounded so good. You could've switched guitars to compare the Strat with the Tele also. The analog pedalsound was more organic, the HX-sound seemed to me a little bit "boxy" and lifeless. I'd definitley go with the pedals!!!
Alexi is one of my very few guitar heros in the heavy corner. His solos and riffs shaped my playing a lot since the early 2000's. He went way too soon. //cheers, Kris
The thing is that the HX Stomp can work great in both situations. I got one a year ago after trying the Helix Native, in order to have a guitar based audio interface that could take of some load from my aging PC and maybe use it for performance too. After a year of toying around it, it became my rig centerpiece and I managed to get both some all in one presets (thanks to two additional footswitches and the recent updates) and a solid amp sim/control center for a larger pedalboard where the stomp takes care of amps, fx I don't use much to justify a dedicated pedal and comps, while also doing some midi work on some pedals. In this moment where shows are scarce and often require a minimalist equipment the first option is coming in handy, when in similar scenarios in the past the sacrifice was much more annoying. Sure, there is a learning curve but these days who hasn't used a similar device or plug in? And even the few on the fly pedal tweaks i'd find myself doing are easy to set up on this thing just by saving the preset on the correct fx page of the patch.
Kris for the win! +1 to Guil for serious jokes and taunting around 10:00! It can be worth the deep dive on multi effects. Guil chugging on a Solar was priceless! 😊👍
Cool comparison, and a lot of fun to watch! Gotta love them socks, too :-D. The good thing on both was that the instrument types always came through clearly.
I basically own both, lol. I switch every few months when the inspiration dwindles. I think you nailed the problem of most modern modelers... time consuming menu diving without really reaching satisfaction. I recently dug out my old Pod 2.0. and was amazed at how quickly I could get a decent tone because the layout of the old bean.
That was ridiculously funny, entertaining, interesting and educational video! Nice playing too! Thanks so much and keep it coming, nice people at Thomann.
Great- and fun- video. I am a bassist and have had numerous multi-effect rigs, loving the almost infiniate possibilities and access to far more effects than I could ever purchase singly. However, I always end up back with a regular board for one primary reason- it's much easier to manage in the moment. Playing live, I can tweak sounds and immediately have real time control over how each effect then relates to the others in the chain (because changing a parameter on one effect always has other ramifications down the line). A multi-effect can also be easy for parameter tweaking, but not nearly as easy to use with spur of the moment changes. But the HX Stomp, HX Effects, various PODs, a number of Zoom products have all been fun and educational to try.
I had once a cheap multi-fx. That was nice to get to know the effects and what they do. But now I'm going with the Guillaume approach. It's much easier to tweak. and the sounds are more individual when you are able and willing to spend the money buying stuff from small pedal builders.
Same here, many multifx units, and the HX Stomp as "final" solution. Tried the cab m - pedalboard is growing fast now. So much easier to dial in tones, and so much better results.
@@ssm445 Also more special effects like fuzzes and the weirder type of modulations are not there with the Helix. I guess it has it's limitations with using kind of the same effect types in the same patch too? Like 2 chorus type pedals, stacking 2 drives or 2 delays for that matter.
As my PB grew, I ended up with a tube preamp paired with a torpedo cab. Intentionally the older model, as I intended to pair it with the midi control of the preamp. As I was discovering the possibilities of the HX stomp, I was questioning my system and was afraid it would be better to toss it all on the used market. THIS video just confirmed the choices of my existing system. Love the presentation and characters of Kris and Guillaume. Such comparisons are exceptionally valueable (at least for me). Many thanks !
I orefer my pedals too, not to fussed on modellers, however, they do sound impressive when you get someone that knows how to drive them. Loved both, but i would go for the G Man
A little bit unfair, since Kris clearly just has a very faint idea (no offense) of how to opperate the HX Stomp. I own it and I can confirm: It takes a lot of time to learn and remember how things work and what YOU like, BUT once you are used to it, you will have no troubles what so ever anymore. Even with "just" the HX Stomp floor unit and no computer (which is, what I do). You can (btw the device here is NOT equiped with firmware 3.x) save Favourites, save default values for effects and are much much quicker whilst accessing the stuff YOU need. It took me half an hour to recreate similiar patches, and I am sure, there is people, that are even faster. Paul Hindmarsh for example would propably do it in 15 minutes ^^ My biggest and most important concern/problem here is: *The price* Guillaume's board as it is, is easily 2200,- € (including cables and the board itself). You can get the FULL Helix for 1500,- €, or the LT for under 1000,- € ! These units are WAY easier to operate than the HX Stomp, have more blocks available and do ALL the switching stuff, the Pedalboard does not (yet, because no switching system) do. With the extra processing power you can emulate the Two Notes Cab - M very well, no problem what so ever. Which is, why the HX Stomp here lacks some "liveliness" and there for is a little bit behind. But come on, the sounds are really really good (and don't forget Kris programmed them ;) ). And it is only almost a QUARTER of the price. We are talking 570€ against 2200€ here. So soundwise, in my opinion 8/10 for the HX Stomp here and 10/10 for the Board. Ease of use? Hm. That actually depends on too many factors. The pedals on the board did not appear out of thin air either and they need to be dialed in and set up as well, keep that in mind. Over all a really good comparison that shows how small the sound quality differences are, compared to price and size. It is actually amazing what we are able to do nowadays... Last year I switched from a pedal board (Tuner, Wah, Boost, Distortion, Reverb, Delay, Chorus) and a small tube amp (Marshall DSL 5) to the HX Stomp. I did it, because of Corona, since I figured that I now FINALLY could find the time and try one of these Modellers out. I do not regret it one bit and I sound better now and finally have a GOOD way for Headphone practise as well. Now I go into my TC buffered Polytune, through my Wah into the HX Stomp, into studio monitors, or the PA in the reahersal room. So Easy, so light, so many possibilities. Thank you for the great video! Keep them coming! Bleibt gesund, Flo
The HX Stomp looks like something younger me would’ve absolutely loved. Back then I was all about having as many options as possible so I could create my very own sounds. Nowadays I just want a couple of good pedals with a few really good sounds and be done with it. The HX sounds really good, but seems to lack some character. Funnily I feel like that could be fixed by putting a Cab M+ behind it, lol. For me the Cab M+ pedal board sounds a lot better, but in the end comparing separate pedals to a multi-fx one is never really fair!
Pedalboard sounded better, and is way easier to manage & upgrade. Only real issues with the modular approach is remembering all your knob positions (because they always get screwed up), and not all pedals support user presets.
Over the years I have been slowly moving away from multi-effects and more towards real pedals due to the reasons Guillaume stated. I got so sick of diving into menus every time I wanted to change or adjust something. It is so much easier and satisfying to simply lean down and tweak a knob or two. I also got tired of having to set up different patches and set lists for different songs. I wanted to have a solution where I'm not constantly switching patches between songs. However, I still think multi-effects have a place on every board. There is value and quality to be had there as well.
Great video. I went from the HX to the CAB M with pedals. Both are great, HX is great, but CAB has more feel. However, I would live with the HX easily.
For some years that I've been using multi-fx and/or plug-ins for my tone, until I've had enough of going through uninspiring menus and submenus, just like this video showed! I know that I'll have to spend more money but to be able to plug the guitar in and start composing and experimenting is so freeing!
Guillaume won ... but I’m also here to self validate my HX Stomp purchase 😂 all joking aside, I come from a BOSS Katana gen 1, so I’m not replacing any all tube tone. Plus I didn’t have an audio interface, and got Helix Native for free! All that for less the cost of the drive section of the other pedalboard, great tones from both! Nice vid
Hold up Kris... you glad to see me or is that a Line 6 Stomp in your pocket? Both have their own merits so thanks guys for making several good points to work with. Being ancient I am a pathetic old school guy that loves pedals. I do have the computer ampless setup too. The take away for me is there are so many ways to get it done and have some fun. Top shelf vid! Later!
Haha! I'm just super stoked to see you buddy. I gotta admit it. lol Yeah man, multi effects are really really good nowadays, no one should argue that. But when we're talking about a pedal + amp setup, there are emotions involved too. And that costs (as always) extra. It's just the nature of things. Thanks for the kind words Steve, take care! //cheers, Kris
It's crazy how those two guys fit together and soo funny to See Kris try to defend the Multieffect although he loves Pedals 😂 And Guillaumes sound is definetly better for me.
I try both, digital and analog....and ended up with analog, with digital its easy but i got "option paralysis", and i hate sub menu but i love my old ax8 for recording stuff. And for gigs my analog rigs is fun altough im goin direct nowdays. But it do the job very well
Guillaume: "Do you have a delay?" Kris: [Sits on floor for an hour reading the manual...] Is that long enough delay? Gotta say, good choice on the pedals... got the Torpedo CAB M and Terraform on my wish list. I thought K's metal tone was killer, until I heard G's, nicely done. I'll take either rig, though I'd prefer knobs over menus.
The Line 6, if it came with an Audio Engineer to every Gig, would not be a problem... but just in case, there had better be a back up plan cuz "Elvis just left the building"? Meantime? I'm on B-O-A-R-D. Pedal Board that is. As you highlighted, too much tedium before "Happy". Simply don't have or desire to spend that amount of time just "programming". (Great work guys - truly appreciate the integrity and the fun of your reviews.)
Not sure but does anyone use the hx stomp stand alone? Cuz mine is on a pedal board like the one in this video. I just use it basically in place in the two notes.
It's hard to judge really 😅. Some pedals sounded super awesome on the board - The triple S and the Bogner. Cleans rocked on Line 6 - you can beat solid state or digital cleans 😜. Also the metal tone on stomp was TIGHT! Can we go for a tie ...? 😁
It’s crazy how close that board is to mine. I have the Pantheon, Cab M+, Collider, Terraform, and SSS on my board, but have a Tumnus Deluxe instead of the Archer, and a Protein instead of the other drives, along with a KMA noise gate, tuner, looper, and EXP pedal. It’s amazing. Although, I recently switched from the Collider to the Metaverse pedal. Part of me does wonder if I should just use a few drive pedals with a GT1000 core and a EXP pedal though. That would save a ton of space. :)
@@niloben659 Agree. I switched to the GT1000 Core for all my modulation now, and love it. The only other pedals I have on my board now are things that are not in the Core, such as Dumble pedals, buffers, a Volume/Wah pedal, etc. Otherwise the GT1000 core handles most of it. So much simpler and more portable.
@@IamMusicNerd Yes indeed, how good do you think the Core's fuzz's and drives are? also are the cab sim's enough for you or do you need something like a Cab M?
Guillome I love that it looks beautiful Kris I confess I love both setups Sorry but I wish you’d both played strats Being a kemper man .. I love Digitalbut guillomes tones were soo warm That collider is lush
For Guillaume Pedalboard which btw. as of rn (13.01.2021) costs 2.077€ you can literally get the big Helix for about 1500€ so i would choose the Stomp which costs way less and like i said even the Big Helix costs less ^^
HX sounds good. Real nice piece of gear. But part of the fun of playing guitar and creating is with the gear. I love pedals! I love holding them and looking at them and twisting the knobs. Everything now a days is how cheap can you get something and if it does the job sorta ok its worth it. Nobody is paying their dues lugging a half stack to a gig anymore. And all the modeling stuff and multi effects and home studios on a computer is dumbing down everyones ears.
Didn’t Simon the magpie hook up All the pedals in the shop ? Or was it just all the metal zones from the warehouse? Wha,tuner,Comp, low grit, mid grit, ALL THE GAIN,a bit of mod, dly, reverb, and of coarse a Two notes for All The cabs. Or just buy an acoustic and save a ton of cash 🤣
I’ve got my big podHD and a “butt ton” of gain pedals and a few wha’s and a couple rack units so a bit of everything seems best. Again I’ll ask if y’all need a shop troll to guard “play with stuff and make b stock items” the shop at night?
I think you showcased the point of the video very well however it sounded like you were using Line6 Stock Cabs on the HX Stomp right? Would have been a fairer comparison using the same IRs because imo Two Notes just has way better stock Cabs loaded and both units are capable of using third party IRs. On that part Chris had a disadvantage.
Points to Guillaume for the clean tones, butter the rock and metal I vote for Chris ( great execution of in tour face by the way, big fan of children of bodom, alexi RIP)
I think this was a bit unfair, he obviously had spent time with the analogue pedals, if you spend time with the Stomp once you have your presets it easy. But I do enjoy the tweaking element
Haha! Of course, you're right. We over exaggerated it a little for comedy purposes. Still, if you have the right pedals for your taste, you'll spend less time tweaking than if you were setting up a multi effect. That being said, i you know your multi FX really good already, you can be really fast with that so. Sooo... it's all about personal preferences at the end. :) //cheers, Kris
Can you recommend a cheaper alternative to the Vertex SSS Overdrive as a clean/blues preamp? I already got the CAB M, a Fulltone Fulldrive as a TS alternative and a Boss delay, so I would only need a preamp style pedal to run directly into the PA
Hey Vin :) My other favourite is the Two notes Le Clean but I'm afraid it's not a lot more budget friendly :/ You could try some of the AMT stuff? I've head good things about their preamps but I've not played one yet! Cheers // Guillaume
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks for the answer :-) I will have a look at the AMT stuff. However, I just found out that Two Notes provided a free software update for the CAB M to make it the CAB M+ including the preamp. I will install that and check, if I get a good sound with that already. PS: thanks for the great content, keep up the good work! Always love to watch your videos, whether it's gear corner, tech tips or hot the tone!
By my ears I prefer guillaume pedalboard on cleanish sound and kris on the rock metal tones....sooooo...il I have to choose what i’d like to have... Guillaume one!!!!!!!
I don’t think we got the whole story here … I suspect a similar (if not substantially bigger) amount of time went into selecting pedals and tweaking settings
Hey Claus, actually it went really fast. Guillaume knows all of these pedals on his board really well, so it took him like 10 minutes to choose them and patch them up. I on the other hand spent over an hour the day before to make my presets. Then tweaked them a little before we started recording and unfortunately got lost in the menu on camera. Which doesn't happen to regular HX Stomp users, of course. But man, exiting snapshot mode is so not intuitive... :D I really loved my tones though, so it was all worth the trouble. //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses my point exactly… G knew the pedals in advance … he already spent days figuring out everything … Anyway, like always a super good video and I ended up ordering the SSS so video worked :-) … I’m going to use the SSS with my HX so best of both worlds
how much did that Cab N based board cost again, compared to the HX Stomp? The Cab M, alone is half the price of the Hx Stomp. And sorry, but the HX Stomp sounded better across the board, MUCH more organic and closer to a legacy tube amp. The pedal board DID sound digital and fake. And live, you would use a midi controller with the HX Stomp..
A laptop and HX Edit with the stomp, save the presets and boom! Then, buy a very nice guitar with the money you did not have to spend on those gangly pedals.
LOL! The preamp/ overdrive/ distortion sounds of the pedalboard RULED!Overall, the all of the sounds on the pedalboard were fatter and more present, at least on this video, IMHO! Pwnd! ..... P.S. It should be mandatory to belch before chugging on a Solar!
There's something so sterile about these two. If you've decided the format why pretend it's a real conversation, you're only highlighting the lack of chemistry they have. I really like the playing btw!
I knoooooww! :D:D This is pretty much the only super unintuitive part of the Stomp. You just need to push one button to go back from snapshot mode, yes. It's not logical and it's not written anywhere though. :) The rest of the system is very user friendly. //cheers, Kris
I think that the pedals with Cab M sounded more organic to my ears, but I loved the HX Stomp sounds also
Man this CAB M makes Guillaume’s pedalboard shine !! The tones are more organic, more defined, more depth it’s just like more of everything and everything we like 😄🤘🏻
Got the HX Stomp, love it love it love it! Lots of option paralysis though.
It is indeed collecting dust since I dived into pedals on a Cab M. It "feels" better playing it, more direct. I can't explain, I just enjoy it a little more.
I can relate. The Line6 stuff is objectively awesome... But it doesn't feel the same as having all of those pedals with their knobs and switches laid out in front of you. A patchwork of different artwork, sizes and styles. All of the options immediately visible, any subtle finetuning or drastic switch are just a flick or a turn away...
What are you playing through? Studio monitors? FRFR? With CabM
@@wouldoox8024 Best get an FRFR cab (no need to look for "FRFR" specifically, any active 12" speaker will do). You can use headphones for home practice, but I never really totally dig the sound.
Option paralysis is exactly what I experienced with the Line 6 Pod HD Pro. I've had it for about ten years, and I feel like I tweaked more than I played. I was thinking about the Helix, tried the demo of the software, but I was overwhelmed. Then I got into pedals, limited my options (but I still have many sounds) and my playing has improved and I'm more productive as a songwriter.
So you get the HX Stomp. You're done. No need for any more stomp boxes, no more shopping for that dream pedal, no more hiding pedals from your spouse, no more need to watch youtube,........... no more fun......
I was about to respond "So no fun ?" until I read the end of your comment. Well done sir !
And I think you're right !
Except the stomp has send/returns so we can also add our fave pedals & amps, so it’s a win win!
😂😂😂😂😂
Don't know if you guys will see this comment, but this video is exactly what I was looking for. Throughout the video I was smiling because it felt as if you both were speaking my mind! Excellent work gentlemen. Looking forward to more of your banters.
I’ve always liked choosing My own pedals and playing around with the sound!
Guillaume tone is better to my ears, 2 thumbs up!
Thanks dude 🤘// Guillaume
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I always tell my students if you dont tour dont buy digital, a 20W tube +1x12cab has crushing tone \m/
Straight away, gotta give it up to the HX Stomp. Pair the Stomp with a couple of analog pedals on the smallest Harley Benton board and you got yourself a decent rig that will last!
And lets not mention the price difference
line 6 hx stomp rules! it‘s so great in combination with a few analog pedals
Agreed, while I love my Roland Jc40, I wish I didn’t sell my hx stomp for it. I wish I kept my hx stomp and saved up for the Jc40, would’ve been the perfect combo stereo rig for me
Beauty of a demo this. Clearly indicating there is no right or wrong. Both sound great. Closing comments are bang on. Advantages of a pedalboard especially one like this with a plethora of options and the CabM allows you to switch pedals. Ut yet limiting you to stay within the feature set of the pedals you have whereas the multifx provides everything - disadvantages of a multifx is the endless tweaking possibilities to get even one tone right. And at the end of the the day, analog / part analog signal chains have that warmth that only a player can feel :) Great Demo! Thanks guys. Thanks Anmol for the link!
The strat sounded so good. You could've switched guitars to compare the Strat with the Tele also. The analog pedalsound was more organic, the HX-sound seemed to me a little bit "boxy" and lifeless. I'd definitley go with the pedals!!!
A subtle tribute to Alexi Laiho towards the end. Nice!!
Alexi is one of my very few guitar heros in the heavy corner. His solos and riffs shaped my playing a lot since the early 2000's. He went way too soon.
//cheers, Kris
The thing is that the HX Stomp can work great in both situations. I got one a year ago after trying the Helix Native, in order to have a guitar based audio interface that could take of some load from my aging PC and maybe use it for performance too. After a year of toying around it, it became my rig centerpiece and I managed to get both some all in one presets (thanks to two additional footswitches and the recent updates) and a solid amp sim/control center for a larger pedalboard where the stomp takes care of amps, fx I don't use much to justify a dedicated pedal and comps, while also doing some midi work on some pedals. In this moment where shows are scarce and often require a minimalist equipment the first option is coming in handy, when in similar scenarios in the past the sacrifice was much more annoying. Sure, there is a learning curve but these days who hasn't used a similar device or plug in? And even the few on the fly pedal tweaks i'd find myself doing are easy to set up on this thing just by saving the preset on the correct fx page of the patch.
Kris for the win! +1 to Guil for serious jokes and taunting around 10:00! It can be worth the deep dive on multi effects. Guil chugging on a Solar was priceless! 😊👍
Kris always win as long as he has the tele power!! Thanks for watching as usual :) // Guillaume
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses You gave him hell Guil! I love Teles, but Gretsch is even better...try that on the next one 😊👍
Cool comparison, and a lot of fun to watch! Gotta love them socks, too :-D. The good thing on both was that the instrument types always came through clearly.
I basically own both, lol. I switch every few months when the inspiration dwindles. I think you nailed the problem of most modern modelers... time consuming menu diving without really reaching satisfaction. I recently dug out my old Pod 2.0. and was amazed at how quickly I could get a decent tone because the layout of the old bean.
That was ridiculously funny, entertaining, interesting and educational video! Nice playing too! Thanks so much and keep it coming, nice people at Thomann.
We need the bass version with Juila.
Yeah! I agree. 💪
Kris summed it up perfectly at the end. Very interesting video!
Thanks a lot! :) We loved shooting this video.
//cheers, Kris
Great- and fun- video. I am a bassist and have had numerous multi-effect rigs, loving the almost infiniate possibilities and access to far more effects than I could ever purchase singly. However, I always end up back with a regular board for one primary reason- it's much easier to manage in the moment. Playing live, I can tweak sounds and immediately have real time control over how each effect then relates to the others in the chain (because changing a parameter on one effect always has other ramifications down the line). A multi-effect can also be easy for parameter tweaking, but not nearly as easy to use with spur of the moment changes. But the HX Stomp, HX Effects, various PODs, a number of Zoom products have all been fun and educational to try.
I had once a cheap multi-fx. That was nice to get to know the effects and what they do. But now I'm going with the Guillaume approach.
It's much easier to tweak. and the sounds are more individual when you are able and willing to spend the money buying stuff from small pedal builders.
Same here, many multifx units, and the HX Stomp as "final" solution. Tried the cab m - pedalboard is growing fast now. So much easier to dial in tones, and so much better results.
@@ssm445 Also more special effects like fuzzes and the weirder type of modulations are not there with the Helix.
I guess it has it's limitations with using kind of the same effect types in the same patch too? Like 2 chorus type pedals, stacking 2 drives or 2 delays for that matter.
Put the «Torpedo CAB» before the Wampler modulation and then you can ride stereo, would be cool…
...and great final comments, guys 👍🏻
Thanks Arvid! :)
//Kris
9:45 says it all. I love it! You can be rocking out while someone is reading a manual on a phone to get to the right submenu's.
Fair to say - the menu on cab m us real pain in the ass
Speaking from the context of using a pedalboard with BOTH hx stomp AND cab m+ in it, THERE IS A TUNER IN CAB M+!!! 😂
(And yet I added a polytune too.)
As my PB grew, I ended up with a tube preamp paired with a torpedo cab. Intentionally the older model, as I intended to pair it with the midi control of the preamp. As I was discovering the possibilities of the HX stomp, I was questioning my system and was afraid it would be better to toss it all on the used market. THIS video just confirmed the choices of my existing system. Love the presentation and characters of Kris and Guillaume. Such comparisons are exceptionally valueable (at least for me). Many thanks !
We really appreciate that man, thank you! //Kris
What tube preamp did you end up with? I'm on a similar path, looking for preamp recommendations!
they both sound really good, but it seems that the two notes is more dynamic.
Go through your submenus and see how fun that is 😂
9:21 🤣🤣😬🤦🏾♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦♂️🤦🏼♀️
I just got one and work has me tied up but I’m ready for cold weather fun.
Thank you guys, good job
Thanks a lot! Cheers!
//Kris
I orefer my pedals too, not to fussed on modellers, however, they do sound impressive when you get someone that knows how to drive them.
Loved both, but i would go for the G Man
This was fun to watch, thanks guys!
A little bit unfair, since Kris clearly just has a very faint idea (no offense) of how to opperate the HX Stomp. I own it and I can confirm: It takes a lot of time to learn and remember how things work and what YOU like, BUT once you are used to it, you will have no troubles what so ever anymore. Even with "just" the HX Stomp floor unit and no computer (which is, what I do). You can (btw the device here is NOT equiped with firmware 3.x) save Favourites, save default values for effects and are much much quicker whilst accessing the stuff YOU need.
It took me half an hour to recreate similiar patches, and I am sure, there is people, that are even faster. Paul Hindmarsh for example would propably do it in 15 minutes ^^
My biggest and most important concern/problem here is: *The price*
Guillaume's board as it is, is easily 2200,- € (including cables and the board itself).
You can get the FULL Helix for 1500,- €, or the LT for under 1000,- € ! These units are WAY easier to operate than the HX Stomp, have more blocks available and do ALL the switching stuff, the Pedalboard does not (yet, because no switching system) do.
With the extra processing power you can emulate the Two Notes Cab - M very well, no problem what so ever. Which is, why the HX Stomp here lacks some "liveliness" and there for is a little bit behind. But come on, the sounds are really really good (and don't forget Kris programmed them ;) ).
And it is only almost a QUARTER of the price. We are talking 570€ against 2200€ here.
So soundwise, in my opinion 8/10 for the HX Stomp here and 10/10 for the Board. Ease of use? Hm. That actually depends on too many factors. The pedals on the board did not appear out of thin air either and they need to be dialed in and set up as well, keep that in mind.
Over all a really good comparison that shows how small the sound quality differences are, compared to price and size. It is actually amazing what we are able to do nowadays...
Last year I switched from a pedal board (Tuner, Wah, Boost, Distortion, Reverb, Delay, Chorus) and a small tube amp (Marshall DSL 5) to the HX Stomp. I did it, because of Corona, since I figured that I now FINALLY could find the time and try one of these Modellers out. I do not regret it one bit and I sound better now and finally have a GOOD way for Headphone practise as well. Now I go into my TC buffered Polytune, through my Wah into the HX Stomp, into studio monitors, or the PA in the reahersal room. So Easy, so light, so many possibilities.
Thank you for the great video! Keep them coming!
Bleibt gesund, Flo
Very good comment.
@@haraldsteaksauce4582 Thank you :)
The HX Stomp looks like something younger me would’ve absolutely loved. Back then I was all about having as many options as possible so I could create my very own sounds. Nowadays I just want a couple of good pedals with a few really good sounds and be done with it.
The HX sounds really good, but seems to lack some character. Funnily I feel like that could be fixed by putting a Cab M+ behind it, lol. For me the Cab M+ pedal board sounds a lot better, but in the end comparing separate pedals to a multi-fx one is never really fair!
Pedalboard sounded better, and is way easier to manage & upgrade. Only real issues with the modular approach is remembering all your knob positions (because they always get screwed up), and not all pedals support user presets.
Pens or stickers do help there :)
Over the years I have been slowly moving away from multi-effects and more towards real pedals due to the reasons Guillaume stated. I got so sick of diving into menus every time I wanted to change or adjust something. It is so much easier and satisfying to simply lean down and tweak a knob or two. I also got tired of having to set up different patches and set lists for different songs. I wanted to have a solution where I'm not constantly switching patches between songs. However, I still think multi-effects have a place on every board. There is value and quality to be had there as well.
Great video. I went from the HX to the CAB M with pedals. Both are great, HX is great, but CAB has more feel. However, I would live with the HX easily.
For some years that I've been using multi-fx and/or plug-ins for my tone, until I've had enough of going through uninspiring menus and submenus, just like this video showed! I know that I'll have to spend more money but to be able to plug the guitar in and start composing and experimenting is so freeing!
I would like to know your settings (cab m and hx) because I have both and I can not find these sounds
thank you and good work
Guillaume won ... but I’m also here to self validate my HX Stomp purchase 😂 all joking aside, I come from a BOSS Katana gen 1, so I’m not replacing any all tube tone. Plus I didn’t have an audio interface, and got Helix Native for free! All that for less the cost of the drive section of the other pedalboard, great tones from both! Nice vid
The boss katana mk1 anf the stomp are both great tools! No need to verify your purchase! 😁🤟🏻
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Indeed, that’s the bottom line 👍
The Two Notes Torpedo has a tuner 😁 it's in the sub menu
Hold up Kris... you glad to see me or is that a Line 6 Stomp in your pocket? Both have their own merits so thanks guys for making several good points to work with. Being ancient I am a pathetic old school guy that loves pedals. I do have the computer ampless setup too. The take away for me is there are so many ways to get it done and have some fun. Top shelf vid! Later!
Haha! I'm just super stoked to see you buddy. I gotta admit it. lol
Yeah man, multi effects are really really good nowadays, no one should argue that. But when we're talking about a pedal + amp setup, there are emotions involved too. And that costs (as always) extra. It's just the nature of things.
Thanks for the kind words Steve, take care!
//cheers, Kris
Love your video's and your business...Thomann!
I wish I could see settings on Cab M!!!
This COB riff appears not to be the tier one choice for the Line6... Nice music choice though and very interesting video! Thx!
Cab m+ has tuner now!
Great vid. Got to remember half of the pedalboard sounds were digital too, with analogue dry through.
Lots of people use the hx stomp as part of a rig with analog drive in front of it, and maybe some favorite other effects in the loop or after it.
It's crazy how those two guys fit together and soo funny to See Kris try to defend the Multieffect although he loves Pedals 😂
And Guillaumes sound is definetly better for me.
Ahh damn, was it that clear? Haha! Next time I have to try harder.
Thanks a lot man, cheers!
//Kris
Those socks, though...
@@B__Mer I'll take flip flops with socks please. Tenacious D style, baby! :)
//cheers, Kris
I like them. And I like that Kris is not wearing shoes inside "friendly" territory :) I behave like that too.
“Now the only decision is do you wanna be a rockstar or do you wanna be on the floor reading manuals?”
I lol’ed so hard here. Hahaha
I try both, digital and analog....and ended up with analog, with digital its easy but i got "option paralysis", and i hate sub menu but i love my old ax8 for recording stuff. And for gigs my analog rigs is fun altough im goin direct nowdays. But it do the job very well
Can you upload the HX Stomp presets? The ambient sounds amazing! Great video as always!
Can't do it unfortunately because the Stomp is not here anymore. I'm sorry, I should have thought of that... Next time, I promise!
//cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses No problem, thanks for your reply!
HX stomp plus your favourite two pedals in the send & return. Keeps me more than happy.
Why not have the HX-Stomp AND the analog pedals?
Guillaume: "Do you have a delay?"
Kris: [Sits on floor for an hour reading the manual...] Is that long enough delay?
Gotta say, good choice on the pedals... got the Torpedo CAB M and Terraform on my wish list.
I thought K's metal tone was killer, until I heard G's, nicely done. I'll take either rig, though I'd prefer knobs over menus.
The pedals sounded better to me. Especially the Bogner over that Line six fizzle gain.
Bought a CAB M ... AND now an HX stomp - will use the CAB M in the loop of the HX. Best of both worlds
Why?
@@SergeiVlassov I have a Triaxis preamp that occasionally I'll need the Cab M for
The Line 6, if it came with an Audio Engineer to every Gig, would not be a problem... but just in case, there had better be a back up plan cuz "Elvis just left the building"? Meantime? I'm on B-O-A-R-D. Pedal Board that is. As you highlighted, too much tedium before "Happy". Simply don't have or desire to spend that amount of time just "programming". (Great work guys - truly appreciate the integrity and the fun of your reviews.)
Big up to Kris for this COB riff \m/
Cheers buddy! Alexi inspired my playing a lot over the years. I will always love him for that. RIP.
//Kris
Not sure but does anyone use the hx stomp stand alone? Cuz mine is on a pedal board like the one in this video. I just use it basically in place in the two notes.
It's hard to judge really 😅. Some pedals sounded super awesome on the board - The triple S and the Bogner.
Cleans rocked on Line 6 - you can beat solid state or digital cleans 😜.
Also the metal tone on stomp was TIGHT!
Can we go for a tie ...? 😁
Done! Deal! Tie it is then. haha
//cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses oooooh feels like I won something! 😂😂
Kris, do you think you would be able to share those HX stomp presets? 🖖😁
It’s crazy how close that board is to mine. I have the Pantheon, Cab M+, Collider, Terraform, and SSS on my board, but have a Tumnus Deluxe instead of the Archer, and a Protein instead of the other drives, along with a KMA noise gate, tuner, looper, and EXP pedal. It’s amazing. Although, I recently switched from the Collider to the Metaverse pedal. Part of me does wonder if I should just use a few drive pedals with a GT1000 core and a EXP pedal though. That would save a ton of space. :)
Just sold a collider and got a GT1000 Core, happy with that decision. The core could replace most of your pedalboard
@@niloben659 Agree. I switched to the GT1000 Core for all my modulation now, and love it. The only other pedals I have on my board now are things that are not in the Core, such as Dumble pedals, buffers, a Volume/Wah pedal, etc. Otherwise the GT1000 core handles most of it. So much simpler and more portable.
@@IamMusicNerd Yes indeed, how good do you think the Core's fuzz's and drives are? also are the cab sim's enough for you or do you need something like a Cab M?
I love Kris’s face when he plays metal. Kinda muppet show grumpy puppet 🤣
And that's as mean as my face can get. :D
//cheers, Kris
Two Notes Torpedo C.A.B. M+ has a tuner
10:14 sums up this video/competition 😂 Sorry Kris
Guillome I love that it looks beautiful
Kris I confess I love both setups
Sorry but I wish you’d both played strats
Being a kemper man .. I love Digitalbut guillomes tones were soo warm
That collider is lush
For Guillaume Pedalboard which btw. as of rn (13.01.2021) costs 2.077€ you can literally get the big Helix for about 1500€
so i would choose the Stomp which costs way less and like i said even the Big Helix costs less ^^
Actually there is a tuner in the Cab M
HX sounds good. Real nice piece of gear. But part of the fun of playing guitar and creating is with the gear. I love pedals! I love holding them and looking at them and twisting the knobs. Everything now a days is how cheap can you get something and if it does the job sorta ok its worth it. Nobody is paying their dues lugging a half stack to a gig anymore. And all the modeling stuff and multi effects and home studios on a computer is dumbing down everyones ears.
Didn’t Simon the magpie hook up All the pedals in the shop ? Or was it just all the metal zones from the warehouse?
Wha,tuner,Comp, low grit, mid grit, ALL THE GAIN,a bit of mod, dly, reverb, and of coarse a Two notes for All The cabs. Or just buy an acoustic and save a ton of cash 🤣
I’ve got my big podHD and a “butt ton” of gain pedals and a few wha’s and a couple rack units so a bit of everything seems best.
Again I’ll ask if y’all need a shop troll to guard “play with stuff and make b stock items” the shop at night?
I think you showcased the point of the video very well however it sounded like you were using Line6 Stock Cabs on the HX Stomp right? Would have been a fairer comparison using the same IRs because imo Two Notes just has way better stock Cabs loaded and both units are capable of using third party IRs. On that part Chris had a disadvantage.
Cab M has dynIR's, which the stomp can't use
Points to Guillaume for the clean tones, butter the rock and metal I vote for Chris ( great execution of in tour face by the way, big fan of children of bodom, alexi RIP)
I think this was a bit unfair, he obviously had spent time with the analogue pedals, if you spend time with the Stomp once you have your presets it easy. But I do enjoy the tweaking element
Haha! Of course, you're right. We over exaggerated it a little for comedy purposes. Still, if you have the right pedals for your taste, you'll spend less time tweaking than if you were setting up a multi effect. That being said, i you know your multi FX really good already, you can be really fast with that so. Sooo... it's all about personal preferences at the end. :)
//cheers, Kris
Kris always looks at Guillaume as he wanted to say "See how fu********* good it is? In your face mate!" :D Very nice. I like both boards very much.
That's a pretty accurate representation of what we were saying off camera. 😆 Thanks for the comment dude! //Kris
Can you recommend a cheaper alternative to the Vertex SSS Overdrive as a clean/blues preamp? I already got the CAB M, a Fulltone Fulldrive as a TS alternative and a Boss delay, so I would only need a preamp style pedal to run directly into the PA
Hey Vin :) My other favourite is the Two notes Le Clean but I'm afraid it's not a lot more budget friendly :/ You could try some of the AMT stuff? I've head good things about their preamps but I've not played one yet! Cheers // Guillaume
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks for the answer :-) I will have a look at the AMT stuff. However, I just found out that Two Notes provided a free software update for the CAB M to make it the CAB M+ including the preamp. I will install that and check, if I get a good sound with that already.
PS: thanks for the great content, keep up the good work! Always love to watch your videos, whether it's gear corner, tech tips or hot the tone!
Cab M has a tuner😊
cab m and pedals sounded way better, I am guessing it feels better to play also.
We have all heard Jack of all trades...master of none.
How about strymon iridium?
By my ears I prefer guillaume pedalboard on cleanish sound and kris on the rock metal tones....sooooo...il I have to choose what i’d like to have...
Guillaume one!!!!!!!
The stomp sounded better in some cases but overall the "real" board won in my opinion......is the Stomp more practical? Yes.
are the Extasy and g3 really preamps? Are are the drive pedals that are called preamps. Most pedals called preamps now are really just drives...
isnt the Stomp like 2x the price?
needs more waahhh
Always! :)
//Kris
have to give it to frenchie...even though kris's playin is a win in itself...
I don’t think we got the whole story here … I suspect a similar (if not substantially bigger) amount of time went into selecting pedals and tweaking settings
Hey Claus, actually it went really fast. Guillaume knows all of these pedals on his board really well, so it took him like 10 minutes to choose them and patch them up.
I on the other hand spent over an hour the day before to make my presets. Then tweaked them a little before we started recording and unfortunately got lost in the menu on camera. Which doesn't happen to regular HX Stomp users, of course. But man, exiting snapshot mode is so not intuitive... :D I really loved my tones though, so it was all worth the trouble. //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses my point exactly… G knew the pedals in advance … he already spent days figuring out everything … Anyway, like always a super good video and I ended up ordering the SSS so video worked :-) … I’m going to use the SSS with my HX so best of both worlds
how much did that Cab N based board cost again, compared to the HX Stomp? The Cab M, alone is half the price of the Hx Stomp. And sorry, but the HX Stomp sounded better across the board, MUCH more organic and closer to a legacy tube amp. The pedal board DID sound digital and fake. And live, you would use a midi controller with the HX Stomp..
A laptop and HX Edit with the stomp, save the presets and boom! Then, buy a very nice guitar with the money you did not have to spend on those gangly pedals.
LOL! The preamp/ overdrive/ distortion sounds of the pedalboard RULED!Overall, the all of the sounds on the pedalboard were fatter and more present, at least on this video, IMHO! Pwnd! ..... P.S. It should be mandatory to belch before chugging on a Solar!
RIP Alexi!
No wah! no Vibe!
That's my bad, I didn't use all the modulations in the Terraform! Next time I promise! // Guillaume
Line 6 should be called line 1😛
Why does it look like Mason’s pedalboard?
ilove cab m
Big Pedal board wins for me....
Cab m+ metal sounded way better
There's something so sterile about these two. If you've decided the format why pretend it's a real conversation, you're only highlighting the lack of chemistry they have. I really like the playing btw!
That was a 1 second fix on the rock sound if he knew how to use it.
I knoooooww! :D:D This is pretty much the only super unintuitive part of the Stomp. You just need to push one button to go back from snapshot mode, yes. It's not logical and it's not written anywhere though. :) The rest of the system is very user friendly.
//cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I love my analog pedals but the Stomp is hard to beat. 😉
The real pedal board sounds real, the stomp box sounds synthetic and artificial.
Helix's tone is better and even leaves your pocket happy
Guillaume's pedalboard costs as much as a full helix!
Think it costs more
Funny video :)))))
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