Yes I think it’s right for these pictures going out. As a family member that would see Jonas unclipping his leg would give a sense of relief he didn’t sever his spinal cord. Sad day for racing.
A point was made that showing what is going on helps their friends and loved ones know how they are doing, sometimes being the only source of solace at the time. It is painful for us, but there are those that really need to know. Sounded reasonable to me. Oh, and thanks for the update, wishing them speedy recovery.
Wishing all those involved a speedy recovery.... my thoughts are that it's a good thing that they show what's going on at the crashes. A lot of family and close friends would be watching and there's no quicker way to get the information across than the live broadcast. Seeing the rider lifting a leg, or a 👍🏻 on the stretcher means a lot.
Broke my collarbone and 4 ribs (ribs #7-10) in a crash last year. The rib breaks/fractures where significantly harder to deal with than the collarbone. Had to sleep sitting up in bed for at least the first month and breathing/coughing was not enjoyable. Heal up quick boys.
Can confirm this. My husband had 6 broken ribs, pneumothorax and a multiple broken collarbone, surgery with 12 screws. The most pain came from the ribs for months. Even now, 15 months later, the rib which occured the pneumothorax is still painful, because not enough calls yet on the "sharp" ends.
Excellent, very many thanks for the update, bad news but not as bad as it might have been. Very best wishes for a speedy recovery to all the riders involved.
Thank you for the updates. Your thoughtful summary is greatly appreciated under these circumstances. Hoping all involved in this years' too many crashes recover completely.
Typically a young fit pro-athlete like Jonas will have the collar bone surgically pinned (this is what WVA had done after his recent crash) and the ribs will be conservatively treated - so 6 weeks of reduced activity and then a graded program of training.
Broken ribs can cause problems that last much longer than that. They can also not be a huge deal at all. As for the collarbone, they're similar. I've broken mine and was doing 5-7hr rides 2 days later without surgery. I just couldn't pull up on the bars. Some need surgery but you can at minimum, ride on a recumbent very early IF it's only a collarbone. I've had very bruised ribs that made it hard to train for months
@@veganpotterthevegan Exactly . Broken ribs can enter the lungs causing the lungs to deflate and is sometimes life threatening. The biggest risk is that a daily highly trained body suddenly is down to zero. That can cause blood clots. Blood mostly needs medication so it can stay thin. I have been through all of that including a broken pelvis. Wish them all speedy recovery.
@@selcukcilek555 yup, and some of those drugs will require a WADA notification and a requirement that they don't race for a certain period of time after taking them.
Really sorry to hear about Jonas. How unlucky. Last year Tadej and this year him. I want to see a peak fitness tour from both but will not be selfish at this point in time as his recovery is paramount. Wishes of a good and speedy recovery.
Skjelmose said something interesting. He said the route this year are easier, so even when they put some crazy numbers, there are still 60 riders. Maybe with the new advancement of tech, nutrition, training, recovery and the higher level of fitness of the peloton, they should start putting harder route, to compensate with the level of higher fitness of the peloton these days. Anyway, today is such a bad day. So many riders were injured and left the race with broken bones. Hope for their speedy recovery.
yes - this crash reminds me of the crash of Van Aert . something is up. i was thinking that the racing has become more intense as they seem to start racing from the get go. the riders are used to 6/7 hours or physical exercise, but perhaps not to 6/7 hours of mental chess games in their minds. so perhaps the are mentally exhausted and make silly mistakes?
You’re right I love this race for its climbing but it’s not as difficult this year so it has attracted more variation of riders. I cannot believe how many crashes there have been at this race. I hope they don’t do it again
They should decide races on the climbs, not on crazy technical descents. They can't put the riders and roads in enough padding and safety nets to make it safe. Therefore the descents should become neutral sections racewise where you are not supposed to take risks and improve your position.
Well - let`s not speculate about "marginal gains" --- I find it more than just a bit suspicious that riders became quicker and quicker year by year again ! How often did cycling fans cheer for their heroes only to face the bitter truth years later that they were all not as clean and sober as they claimed to be !!!
Chris Horner in his channel (when Wout crashed) explained that if a collarbone is plated surgically, a rider can often ride the trainer a day or two after surgery. He also details the “broken” ribs options depending on severity of the fractures. He’s no MD obviously, but he was speaking from his experience as a pro cyclist.
The live footage is basically the only method the family has to get updates on their loved one’s condition so they should show the footage as long as they keep their distance and don’t interfere with treatment.
Chris Horner shared insight from his wife. Validated that family and friends need the footage. Everyone can choose to watch or not. As a fan I care and want to know they are well.
What a difficult day. Hope they all eventually recover to full health. When I broke my ribs, I could not exercise for weeks. I cannot imagine Jonas competing at full fitness for the Tour. Regarding broadcasting, Chris Horner's wife commented on his latest video about how coverage was the only way for her to know how Chris was doing when he crashed. That should be considered. Thanks for the update.
Jay Vine didn't injure his clavicle, he injured his cervical and thoracic spine, meaning vertebrae in the neck, just below the skull to the shoulder, and vertebrae in the upper middle of the spine (the bit that curves).
Too right! Jay's by far the worst injured, closely followed by Steff Cras (also spinal & ribs) & Sean Quinn (Concussion +) but everyone is focussed on the big stars!
Vingegaard is an amazing athlete. Thank goodness he is not more seriously injured. Not that broken bones aren’t serious. But he can certainly recover 100% from this.
Wow, just woke up and saw the headlines and it's shocking to see. ☹️ It really puts into perspective the new chicane addition to Paris Roubaix: this crash has cemented in my mind that the chicane is a good change. Some riders will complain because it is in their nature to race and take risks, but at the end of the day, safety is paramount - the Paris Roubaix organisers may become scapegoats but the race will be safer because the organisers are taking responsibility for rider safety (for once, rather than typically blaming the victim for crashing).
Exactly. As speeds get faster, and human bodies remain the same, the organizers need to act and make the most dangerous spots safer. The Paris-Roubaix chicane planner also said in the long term it would make more sense to have safer bikes and equipment.
I broke my collarbone in a bike crash. It took 3 months to heal totally. 6 weeks to net together. I was 17 years old in excellent health, high training load. It’s strange how it’s treated with a butterfly strap pulling your shoulders back. I could feel the break moving around which was an odd sensation.
What are the odds that Jonas and Wout have similar injuries? Remco also has a broken collarbone plus a scapula. Does this put Tadej as the favourite for the Giro-Tour double?
Thanks for updating us!! Sometimes I wonder do organisers of races see these potential dangers at all like!!! And open concrete drain is a hazards regardless of speed or weather….. basically there should have be bales or something to protect from that hazard?????
Being an athlete they will likely do surgery to repair the fracture. The orthopedist will make an incision and expose the fracture fragments. He/she will align the fragments and stabilize them using a plate and screws or pins. With fractures pain is caused when fracture fragments move. Without surgery the patient has to keep his arm in a sling to prevent such movement. By using internal fixation the fracture fragments are made stable allowing earlier movement and hopefully return to function.
Thanks for a good report and commentary. Seems that, as always, the crash is a collection of factors. Since the race was stopped I do not know, if sprint points/time bonuses were a factor as well. I do wonder about the awarding of bonus seconds at the intermediate sprint points. Because points AND seconds are up for grabs, it seems that there is very hard racing for these points from both GC and sprinters. Teams are more compelled to chase down a breakaway earlier because there is time on the line for the GC guys. Those point sprints are dicey, but it also seems that there is really aggressive racing for many k's before those points. i agree with other comments that if the course were harder given the new normal of field quality, that would help, and if there were no time bonuses at the sprints in a tight GC field, there would be less aggression leading into a sprint point. I remember the old days of the Giro, when there were no bonus seconds anywhere, not even at the finish. There is something to be said about the purity of such a GC win. Time bonuses make the racing more lively and aggressive, and of course with that come added risks. I wish all the riders a speedy recovery, and ask that all riders approach descents with, along with their competitive nature, caution. I was surprised to see, on a fast descent, the field four plus wide going into that turn.
Regards showing the footage, I'm think it's important to do so, especially live . Family of riders might have no other way of finding out what's happening.
At this point, projection of when they return for what race, sort of makes sad. I’m still in shock just watching them lay there, but so happy when it was obvious they were conscious. No shade on anyone who disagrees, just my feelings. Video of the crash, yes, but one or 2x. I’m hopeful that Jonas’, Jay’s, Remco’s & others wives and families were notified ASAP. We like to know how they are but after the family. Last thing, the camera angle was weird, but a right hand turn pitched dow toward the left (storm drain), seems really dangerous. Speed, momentum, gravity, other physics forces… I’m surprised more didn’t go down. Sad day. Get better soon guys.
Thanks, Scott, and no, nobody should be fired or canned or anything, this is clearly a racing incident and lessons need to be learned and improvements made, but that is for another day. But if the roads are bumpy and sketchy, perhaps it is time to gravel-up the bikes with larger tires and that would be pro racing imitating the rest of us dealing with public roads. Sure, speeds would be a bit slower with 40s or whatever, yet with the way tech seems to find a way around everything, next thing you know 40s could be the standard, who knows. And I say all of that with a love for cycling and all of us and I just want the pros to bounce up from crashes the way roller derby girls did when I watched them on UHF television after my bike rides as a kid. 😀
I think it's good to be reminded of what the riders go through. Seeing the footage of JV being carried off on a stretcher does that. I hope he and all the other riders fully recover. It's a dangerous sport. Noticing a rider not wearing cycling gloves in a race recently almost sent shivers down my spine. I wouldn't dream of not riding on the local bike path without that bit of protection for my hands.
Just sharing: our cycling team discovered that if you allowed yourself to rest for several days, let the bones start knitting together, you could very carefully get back on the trainer and have pedal sessions. Our speed to recovery improved from ~6 weeks to ~3-4 weeks. This is a complete recovery, but you could rely on the bones if you went out riding. Still some pain from the stress pressure of having your hands on the bars, but usually doable. The doctors confirmed what we thought: the spinning exercise raised the injured cyclist's internal metabolism. The slight exercise, instead of lying in bed healing, activated the production of more red blood cells and other aspects of healing. My good friend Dave was out with us, doing a 45 miler 3 weeks after his broken collarbone. He might be exceptional, but others showed more or less the same accelerated healing. Good luck to Jonas. First Wout and now him. Boy, what a start.
In the Tour UAE will do to Jonas what Visma did to Pogacar last year. Ride hard to crack him because he will have the form but will lack the endurance from the reduced training load over the prior months
I'm guessing you also heard Jay Vine's analysis of their tactics. Interestingly, Remco had said the same thing about his poor Giro after his major crash. Not enough training time is something that comes back to get you in the 3rd week. I think they will definitely try this.
With regards to the way the cameras I would rather they did and I will explain for the simple fact that in the post Senna crash at Imola with regards to F1 it went completely the other way with regards to the death of Jules Bianchi and that nothing was shown - there was some vague rumblings of something happened but everything just sounded so confused. As dire as watching those pictures are, I do believe that seeing the pictures is the right way -- admittedly I would draw the line at cameras filming the resuscitation of a rider - but you see they're in trouble and they need hospital assistance, you just pray that they're okay. I guess I might not be airing a popular opinion but it's my own feeling that their needs to be some showing - we can't blanket the thing out altogether.
I'm a motorsport fan as well and know exactly what you mean, any time something serious happens it's like a media blackout. I remember recently watching a race at Spa of a lower tier Formula series, there was a big crash on the last lap that happened off camera and they didn't even acknowledge that a crash had happened, the red flag came out and the race ended and they went off air.
@@JakeP2013 Exactly, how is anyone who isn't at the race supposed to know why it was stopped? We can't be shielded from everything! I don't normally watch Chris Horner's videos but he relayed how his wife found she needed that information herself to see if he would be alright. We owe it to the families to do this hard as it might be to watch.
Glad to hear everyone is relatively ok. Roglic seems to have come out of it the best out of the main guys to go down. Really hope Jonas will be 100% by tour time. Also hope Kamna heals quickly.. do we know what his injuries are exactly?
This season was lining up to be the best ever in so many races, now 2024 will probably be ‘the year that could have been’. Big shame for the riders and us fans. Get healthy soon guys.
Just opened the UA-cam app and saw your video, being unaware of the crash. What a devastating blow to the race and cycling in general for a few weeks, with so many big names taken out. As far as some form of policing the videos and info out there after these things, I think what you said about it being the nature of the thing is so true. With social media and access to the Internet everywhere I don't think it is controllable. Is it right? Maybe not, but who can stop it?
It is beyond me, the mental pressure these Athletes must be going through when dealing with serious injuries. I think the psychological toughness in these kinds of situations is what makes these cyclist so elite. It is not as measurable as VO2max or power numbers, but it is, in my opinion, what truly separates them from mere human beings...I hope all of them make a speedy and full recovery, mentally and physically ! :(
Get well soon to all! Not a fan of Remco and Jonas, but you don't wish this on anyone and it's definetly bad for cycling as a whole. I think why more crashes are happening doesn't just have one reason, it's a combination of all changes of culture, bikes and routes. What can you do about it is the real question. I mean like the helmet we could have some kind of protection generalised for racing to protect the colorbone, knees, ribs as those seem to be the most common injuries.
This has been an all around bad couple of weeks for cycling. I am a huge Pogacar fan, but I want to see him racing against the best riders in the world at their peak. In the past ten days, four of the five best riders in the world have hit the deck hard with Wout and Jonas needing surgeries to repair broken bones. Even if their recovery is as good as it could be, they still won’t be as strong in July as they would have been if they’d never suffered major crashes in March/April
Many collarbone surgeries are not needed. Those who get it recover/heal quicker. There's a good chance both Jonas and Wout chose the surgery route. Either way....out until May. Those hands are not gripping handlebars and pulling until June.
Makes sense they all hit the bumps in the road at relatively high speed-- enough to make you lose control of your bike. It is surprising the race organizers don't look for and fix this type of road hazard on a downhill curve. I've experienced hitting bumps in corners on both bike and moto and the same thing happens if you're going to fast--bounces your wheel right off the pavement and a moment lack of steering! Hope for speedy recovery for all the crash victims. Sure throws a glitch into the season!
Unless the video is exceptionally graphic, I think its important for everyone to see and understand that gravity of the situation, Tastefully of course. Showing the same angle replay multiple times though does seem a bit unnecessary. I know if I was Family/Friends of a rider that went down, I would want to know what happened / what is happening, having a media blackout just makes it so you have to go on a wild goose chase online to find any pictures or information because anyone that posts a replay of the crash online is just swarmed by people telling them to delete it.
The 180 before the cobbles isn't safer than the old route. I've been watching bike racing since the Pedro Delgado days and I've never seen a crash take out so many top riders.
It really hurts to hear all these recents new, hoping they could all recover and be back on the upcoming TdF. Hoping this will be the last for these cycling crashes
I think it is good to show it,,, to bring the audience a real perception of how dangerous this sport truly is, and to bring forth information that is otherwise hard to get…
It is absolutely correct for them to broadcast the rider’s injury situation. It will help put the family members minds at ease. View what Chris Horner explained on this.
Do we know for sure if it's a broken collarbone? Because it could be just fractured, and then the recovery time is possibly way less. I remember last spring the danish rider Emma Norsgaard went down and injured her collarbone, and she was back on the home trainer in like three weeks. No matter the degree of the injuries, we obviously wish all the riders a speedy recovery. God bedring, Vinge.
Thank God he is ok. My prayers go out to him and his family and wish him a speedy recovery. Heal up Jonas we need back to defend your TDF title. And to all Remco Jay and Prizom and Kenda heal up guys we need you all back.
The pictures should go out, what concerns me is the lack of follow up reporting by the major official channels. No offense to you (thank you for reporting) but it is crazy that we should find out details from 3rd party commentary channels and have virtually no information from eurosport or the race organisers.
Norwegian Tobias Johannesen broke his collarbone in january, and he was back racing at catalunya. There is hope. I hope all of them are back up racing soon..
I crashed on the Haute Route Alps last summer clean breaking 5 ribs in my back and fracturing a few more at the front. I can tell you I could not get on my bike for 10 weeks and it took about 3 months to feel even vaguely normal. He will have to be on extremely powerful pain killers that will be opioids. The come down from such drugs is savage. Vingergaard maybe a world class athlete but he will not be right for the tour. Even if he is back on the bike in 5 or 6 weeks he will not feel right (it's like an alien has stolen your skeletal structure and replaced it with another set of bones - even now 8/9 months on I am still getting used to it), he will lose fitness as it impossible to exercise your cardio vascular system with badly broken ribs at the level he would need to compete and mentally it is so hard to deal with. If I were a rival team manager and Vingerguaard was at the tour, I would instruct my team to push really hard on the decents. Collar bones are fine, ribs are complicated. Surgeons will not operate on them unless it is life threatening generally speaking. The pain is off the chart for about 3-4 weeks, even with the drugs. The likelihood of a chest infection is extremely high.... trust me, every cough will make him scream and/or cry. It is impossible to sleep more than 30 minutes or so at a time and whole experience is truly horrific. I consider myself to be very strong mentally speaking, having spent 10 years in the UK military. This pushed me to my absolute limits and I feel so sorry for him. If he even manages to compete at the tour I would be delighted, but very, very surprised. If he were to get close to winning, it would be the stuff of legends!!!!
On the topic with btoken collat bone. I had mine comoletely shattered. Refused the surgery, and even without surgery managed to get on yhe bike 16 days after the crash for. 6 weeks after its conpletely hraled with 1k under the belt. So thete is hope for quick recovery for Jonas.
My heart goes out to all the crash victims. I've been there. For years I've thought that the UCI should do more to protect the riders. Send out 5 or 10 riders to ride the course and identify all the danger spots . Then flag them All the riders who went off the road and down in the ditch might have been saved.
it says it takes 6-8 weeks without surgery, but i think they will do surgery and put in a plate, like they did with Wout van Aert. Cuz with a plate you can get back on your bike 2 days later. tho ofcourse Jonas also has other injuries so it will take longer. But for example Wout already did his first 4K walk yesterday and he also had his collarbone broken and some ribs (they plated his collarbone too in surgery).
Does the camera belong there? Yes. These are our heros and we love them. We are connected almost like family and we deserve The Truth. In a World of scripted sports, this is real; with real risk; real danger and short of absolute gore, we should see the glory of victory; but also the harsh realites. May all the injured riders and all the broken hearted fans find healing and peace.
Yes, these photos should go out. If the teams try to restrict them, viewers will seek them out more. Jonas seems to have been immune to misfortune for years, unlike some of his top tier rivals. He was probably due some bad luck. It happens to the best. Pro racers are always at risk. He should be ok for the tour. He won't be in top form, but he'll be there with straps and pain killers to keep him comfortable. The life of a pro.
According to Chris Horner, showing the crash is important to those family members watching, because it may be the only way they can spot their loved ones moving or getting up afterwards.
Chris Horner said on his podcast that during the Tour de France, when he was involved in the crash, everything was broadcasted on TV. NBC and ABC in the United States reached out to his wife to find out more. At the time, she didn't have any additional information beyond what was shown on TV. The point being, without the TV footage showing that he was moving, his wife wouldn't have known about his condition until they got in touch or his team updated her. As drastic as the pictures were, Jonas moving his leg was a sign that he did not sustain any spinal injury.
Looks like a freak incident. Reorder in second or third seemed to hit a stone or divot in the road. Those behind it’s hard to see why they went off the road. Roads aren’t perfect - hey, try the ones in England. That’s why it’s called road cycling as opposed to track.
These people are fiercely competitive and you can't curtail that or it wouldn't be sport. That said , like many other things , money is the equal driver : contracts for the riders based on results , spectacle for the viewers etc. Helmets were considered ridiculous ,even by riders , at one time.Now anybody not wearing a helmet for even a casual ride is considered an idiot.So things can change and not entail ruining our beautiful sport. Perhaps some grading of what roads can be ridden on by a generation of racers who are flat out from the start. Some thought ,some knowledgeable input , some changes. Hope all the guys become well and back at their best in the shortest , safest time.
Actually after I listened to Chris Horner yes they need to show it because its the fastest way for the families to know whats going on. Because Chriss wife chimed in on it and she got late information and was worried about Chris but with the live coverage in later races she knew right away instead of seacond hand information.
As far as i can tell the reporters, especially the camera men, respect a certain distance, and give information rather than sensation. It would be wrong to give close-ups, or show cruel pictures. That officials want to improve safety is most welcome, and i hope they will bent more seriously over the problem from now on. They have made progres but evidently not anough. Maybe they will for sure, because how many great have been lost by accidents... And finally we had three of the four best... But as you say, the important thing now is that they will feel well again as soon as possible. God bless!
Liability should go to the organizers: They focus only in delivering a profitable show and sure welcoming drama why not, whatever helps for them to get big audience and $, without considering holistic safety and optimal racing conditions, it's a shame to see more and more bike accidents like this one.
I wish a full a speedy recovery to all the injured riders.
Yes I think it’s right for these pictures going out.
As a family member that would see Jonas unclipping his leg would give a sense of relief he didn’t sever his spinal cord.
Sad day for racing.
A point was made that showing what is going on helps their friends and loved ones know how they are doing, sometimes being the only source of solace at the time.
It is painful for us, but there are those that really need to know.
Sounded reasonable to me.
Oh, and thanks for the update, wishing them speedy recovery.
Thanks for using the Cleveland Clinic resource That are great there!!
(More importantly the employ my wife as a Physical Therapist)
Collarbone fractures usually are repaired with surgery to put a plate for a quicker recovery.
Wishing all those involved a speedy recovery.... my thoughts are that it's a good thing that they show what's going on at the crashes. A lot of family and close friends would be watching and there's no quicker way to get the information across than the live broadcast. Seeing the rider lifting a leg, or a 👍🏻 on the stretcher means a lot.
Broke my collarbone and 4 ribs (ribs #7-10) in a crash last year. The rib breaks/fractures where significantly harder to deal with than the collarbone. Had to sleep sitting up in bed for at least the first month and breathing/coughing was not enjoyable. Heal up quick boys.
Exactly what has happened to me too many times.
Can confirm this. My husband had 6 broken ribs, pneumothorax and a multiple broken collarbone, surgery with 12 screws. The most pain came from the ribs for months. Even now, 15 months later, the rib which occured the pneumothorax is still painful, because not enough calls yet on the "sharp" ends.
Sittting here with 3 broken ribs. Its hard to sleep. Pain with every breath.
Excellent, very many thanks for the update, bad news but not as bad as it might have been. Very best wishes for a speedy recovery to all the riders involved.
Thank you for the updates. Your thoughtful summary is greatly appreciated under these circumstances. Hoping all involved in this years' too many crashes recover completely.
I’m just glad there wasn’t any sheer drops or something really bad. Hope all the fellas get better soon
My heart goes out to him and that sweet family of his. His health is far more important.
Thank you for the update...
Typically a young fit pro-athlete like Jonas will have the collar bone surgically pinned (this is what WVA had done after his recent crash) and the ribs will be conservatively treated - so 6 weeks of reduced activity and then a graded program of training.
Broken ribs can cause problems that last much longer than that. They can also not be a huge deal at all. As for the collarbone, they're similar. I've broken mine and was doing 5-7hr rides 2 days later without surgery. I just couldn't pull up on the bars. Some need surgery but you can at minimum, ride on a recumbent very early IF it's only a collarbone. I've had very bruised ribs that made it hard to train for months
@@veganpotterthevegan Exactly . Broken ribs can enter the lungs causing the lungs to deflate and is sometimes life threatening. The biggest risk is that a daily highly trained body suddenly is down to zero. That can cause blood clots. Blood mostly needs medication so it can stay thin.
I have been through all of that including a broken pelvis.
Wish them all speedy recovery.
Yeah luckily it happened early april so they can heal up and probably back in training in may
@@selcukcilek555 yup, and some of those drugs will require a WADA notification and a requirement that they don't race for a certain period of time after taking them.
@@elinoracedo7430 Really, with punctured lungs?
Good preview of stage 4.
Really sorry to hear about Jonas.
How unlucky. Last year Tadej and this year him.
I want to see a peak fitness tour from both but will not be selfish at this point in time as his recovery is paramount. Wishes of a good and speedy recovery.
Skjelmose said something interesting. He said the route this year are easier, so even when they put some crazy numbers, there are still 60 riders. Maybe with the new advancement of tech, nutrition, training, recovery and the higher level of fitness of the peloton, they should start putting harder route, to compensate with the level of higher fitness of the peloton these days. Anyway, today is such a bad day. So many riders were injured and left the race with broken bones. Hope for their speedy recovery.
yes - this crash reminds me of the crash of Van Aert . something is up. i was thinking that the racing has become more intense as they seem to start racing from the get go. the riders are used to 6/7 hours or physical exercise, but perhaps not to 6/7 hours of mental chess games in their minds. so perhaps the are mentally exhausted and make silly mistakes?
You’re right I love this race for its climbing but it’s not as difficult this year so it has attracted more variation of riders. I cannot believe how many crashes there have been at this race. I hope they don’t do it again
They should decide races on the climbs, not on crazy technical descents. They can't put the riders and roads in enough padding and safety nets to make it safe. Therefore the descents should become neutral sections racewise where you are not supposed to take risks and improve your position.
Well - let`s not speculate about "marginal gains" --- I find it more than just a bit suspicious that riders became quicker and quicker year by year again ! How often did cycling fans cheer for their heroes only to face the bitter truth years later that they were all not as clean and sober as they claimed to be !!!
Blablabla..its only riding a bike...take care of God, hear his voice
Chris Horner in his channel (when Wout crashed) explained that if a collarbone is plated surgically, a rider can often ride the trainer a day or two after surgery. He also details the “broken” ribs options depending on severity of the fractures. He’s no MD obviously, but he was speaking from his experience as a pro cyclist.
Did you see Chris Horner's statement about the footage shown?
what did he say?
The live footage is basically the only method the family has to get updates on their loved one’s condition so they should show the footage as long as they keep their distance and don’t interfere with treatment.
That is actually what his wife told him to say because that’s how she felt when he had his major crash in the tour in 2011
Chris Horner shared insight from his wife. Validated that family and friends need the footage.
Everyone can choose to watch or not. As a fan I care and want to know they are well.
Team Visma in trouble, their Classic leader, Tour leader both have broken ribs, and Roglic now with Bora, irony.
Thanks for the update. Looked as though it could've been worse outcomes. Wishing all the riders a speedy recovery.
heal up slowly and come back strong for the vuelta 🔥
What a difficult day. Hope they all eventually recover to full health. When I broke my ribs, I could not exercise for weeks. I cannot imagine Jonas competing at full fitness for the Tour.
Regarding broadcasting, Chris Horner's wife commented on his latest video about how coverage was the only way for her to know how Chris was doing when he crashed. That should be considered.
Thanks for the update.
Boo hoo...😭😭😭😭😭😭
Better Order a case of tissues from Mommy
@@rider65ok Boomer.
Jay Vine didn't injure his clavicle, he injured his cervical and thoracic spine, meaning vertebrae in the neck, just below the skull to the shoulder, and vertebrae in the upper middle of the spine (the bit that curves).
Literally, Jay Vine broke his neck.
@@boblaperriere892 Literally. And his back. 😞
Too right! Jay's by far the worst injured, closely followed by Steff Cras (also spinal & ribs) & Sean Quinn (Concussion +) but everyone is focussed on the big stars!
Full and quick recovery to the champ
feel better Jonas and everyone else who is hurt.
Vingegaard is an amazing athlete. Thank goodness he is not more seriously injured. Not that broken bones aren’t serious. But he can certainly recover 100% from this.
Wow, just woke up and saw the headlines and it's shocking to see. ☹️
It really puts into perspective the new chicane addition to Paris Roubaix: this crash has cemented in my mind that the chicane is a good change.
Some riders will complain because it is in their nature to race and take risks, but at the end of the day, safety is paramount - the Paris Roubaix organisers may become scapegoats but the race will be safer because the organisers are taking responsibility for rider safety (for once, rather than typically blaming the victim for crashing).
Exactly. As speeds get faster, and human bodies remain the same, the organizers need to act and make the most dangerous spots safer. The Paris-Roubaix chicane planner also said in the long term it would make more sense to have safer bikes and equipment.
I had broken ribs and a cracked sternum . Very painful but good as new at six weeks.
I broke my collarbone in a bike crash. It took 3 months to heal totally. 6 weeks to net together. I was 17 years old in excellent health, high training load. It’s strange how it’s treated with a butterfly strap pulling your shoulders back. I could feel the break moving around which was an odd sensation.
So relieved that it wasn’t worse. I was terrified seeing what we saw, but I would have been frantic if they were hiding it from view.
That’s relatively good news I hope for a speedy recovery this pertains to all the riders that were injured
What are the odds that Jonas and Wout have similar injuries? Remco also has a broken collarbone plus a scapula.
Does this put Tadej as the favourite for the Giro-Tour double?
Yep tandem was always favorite for the giro but this now gives a massive edge to him in the tour
Unfortunatly yes. He will win both. The Giro easy because of weak opponents and the tour because his rivals got injured
What’s your opinion on Tadej going to Giro? Do you think he should pass…save himself for TdF?
Maybe Roglic for the tour since he'll be able to train properly and will be fresh?
Not if MVP is riding....
Thanks for updating us!! Sometimes I wonder do organisers of races see these potential dangers at all like!!! And open concrete drain is a hazards regardless of speed or weather….. basically there should have be bales or something to protect from that hazard?????
yes they must and should become more careful and aware of potential dangers
Thanks for getting us this update so soon, CD...
Thanks for the report, and the information we hope the best for the riders
Being an athlete they will likely do surgery to repair the fracture. The orthopedist will make an incision and expose the fracture fragments. He/she will align the fragments and stabilize them using a plate and screws or pins. With fractures pain is caused when fracture fragments move. Without surgery the patient has to keep his arm in a sling to prevent such movement. By using internal fixation the fracture fragments are made stable allowing earlier movement and hopefully return to function.
Thanks for a good report and commentary. Seems that, as always, the crash is a collection of factors. Since the race was stopped I do not know, if sprint points/time bonuses were a factor as well. I do wonder about the awarding of bonus seconds at the intermediate sprint points. Because points AND seconds are up for grabs, it seems that there is very hard racing for these points from both GC and sprinters. Teams are more compelled to chase down a breakaway earlier because there is time on the line for the GC guys. Those point sprints are dicey, but it also seems that there is really aggressive racing for many k's before those points. i agree with other comments that if the course were harder given the new normal of field quality, that would help, and if there were no time bonuses at the sprints in a tight GC field, there would be less aggression leading into a sprint point. I remember the old days of the Giro, when there were no bonus seconds anywhere, not even at the finish. There is something to be said about the purity of such a GC win. Time bonuses make the racing more lively and aggressive, and of course with that come added risks. I wish all the riders a speedy recovery, and ask that all riders approach descents with, along with their competitive nature, caution. I was surprised to see, on a fast descent, the field four plus wide going into that turn.
Regards showing the footage, I'm think it's important to do so, especially live . Family of riders might have no other way of finding out what's happening.
At this point, projection of when they return for what race, sort of makes sad. I’m still in shock just watching them lay there, but so happy when it was obvious they were conscious. No shade on anyone who disagrees, just my feelings.
Video of the crash, yes, but one or 2x. I’m hopeful that Jonas’, Jay’s, Remco’s & others wives and families were notified ASAP. We like to know how they are but after the family.
Last thing, the camera angle was weird, but a right hand turn pitched dow toward the left (storm drain), seems really dangerous. Speed, momentum, gravity, other physics forces… I’m surprised more didn’t go down.
Sad day. Get better soon guys.
Really in shock? What do you do besides couch Surf and play video games? 🤔🙄
Thanks, Scott, and no, nobody should be fired or canned or anything, this is clearly a racing incident and lessons need to be learned and improvements made, but that is for another day. But if the roads are bumpy and sketchy, perhaps it is time to gravel-up the bikes with larger tires and that would be pro racing imitating the rest of us dealing with public roads. Sure, speeds would be a bit slower with 40s or whatever, yet with the way tech seems to find a way around everything, next thing you know 40s could be the standard, who knows. And I say all of that with a love for cycling and all of us and I just want the pros to bounce up from crashes the way roller derby girls did when I watched them on UHF television after my bike rides as a kid. 😀
I think it's good to be reminded of what the riders go through. Seeing the footage of JV being carried off on a stretcher does that. I hope he and all the other riders fully recover. It's a dangerous sport. Noticing a rider not wearing cycling gloves in a race recently almost sent shivers down my spine. I wouldn't dream of not riding on the local bike path without that bit of protection for my hands.
Just sharing: our cycling team discovered that if you allowed yourself to rest for several days, let the bones start knitting together, you could very carefully get back on the trainer and have pedal sessions. Our speed to recovery improved from ~6 weeks to ~3-4 weeks. This is a complete recovery, but you could rely on the bones if you went out riding. Still some pain from the stress pressure of having your hands on the bars, but usually doable.
The doctors confirmed what we thought: the spinning exercise raised the injured cyclist's internal metabolism. The slight exercise, instead of lying in bed healing, activated the production of more red blood cells and other aspects of healing. My good friend Dave was out with us, doing a 45 miler 3 weeks after his broken collarbone. He might be exceptional, but others showed more or less the same accelerated healing.
Good luck to Jonas. First Wout and now him. Boy, what a start.
In the Tour UAE will do to Jonas what Visma did to Pogacar last year. Ride hard to crack him because he will have the form but will lack the endurance from the reduced training load over the prior months
I'm guessing you also heard Jay Vine's analysis of their tactics. Interestingly, Remco had said the same thing about his poor Giro after his major crash. Not enough training time is something that comes back to get you in the 3rd week. I think they will definitely try this.
Yes and still loose the tour in the third week to Visma/Jonas - remember that!
@@caet49 That I don't know. I will wait to watch
With regards to the way the cameras I would rather they did and I will explain for the simple fact that in the post Senna crash at Imola with regards to F1 it went completely the other way with regards to the death of Jules Bianchi and that nothing was shown - there was some vague rumblings of something happened but everything just sounded so confused. As dire as watching those pictures are, I do believe that seeing the pictures is the right way -- admittedly I would draw the line at cameras filming the resuscitation of a rider - but you see they're in trouble and they need hospital assistance, you just pray that they're okay. I guess I might not be airing a popular opinion but it's my own feeling that their needs to be some showing - we can't blanket the thing out altogether.
I'm a motorsport fan as well and know exactly what you mean, any time something serious happens it's like a media blackout. I remember recently watching a race at Spa of a lower tier Formula series, there was a big crash on the last lap that happened off camera and they didn't even acknowledge that a crash had happened, the red flag came out and the race ended and they went off air.
@@JakeP2013 Exactly, how is anyone who isn't at the race supposed to know why it was stopped? We can't be shielded from everything!
I don't normally watch Chris Horner's videos but he relayed how his wife found she needed that information herself to see if he would be alright. We owe it to the families to do this hard as it might be to watch.
Glad to hear everyone is relatively ok. Roglic seems to have come out of it the best out of the main guys to go down. Really hope Jonas will be 100% by tour time. Also hope Kamna heals quickly.. do we know what his injuries are exactly?
This season was lining up to be the best ever in so many races, now 2024 will probably be ‘the year that could have been’. Big shame for the riders and us fans. Get healthy soon guys.
Just opened the UA-cam app and saw your video, being unaware of the crash. What a devastating blow to the race and cycling in general for a few weeks, with so many big names taken out. As far as some form of policing the videos and info out there after these things, I think what you said about it being the nature of the thing is so true. With social media and access to the Internet everywhere I don't think it is controllable. Is it right? Maybe not, but who can stop it?
Collarbone, if it is clean fracture, 2-3 weeks.
Ribs take longer.
Dream on...2-3weeks....lol
2-3 weeks for pain to subside. Much longer for full recovery!
I absolutely hate hearing about his/others crash, but I’m glad he/they can recover…
It is beyond me, the mental pressure these Athletes must be going through when dealing with serious injuries. I think the psychological toughness in these kinds of situations is what makes these cyclist so elite. It is not as measurable as VO2max or power numbers, but it is, in my opinion, what truly separates them from mere human beings...I hope all of them make a speedy and full recovery, mentally and physically ! :(
More accurate information is a must. Video is the most accurate.
Get well soon to all! Not a fan of Remco and Jonas, but you don't wish this on anyone and it's definetly bad for cycling as a whole. I think why more crashes are happening doesn't just have one reason, it's a combination of all changes of culture, bikes and routes. What can you do about it is the real question. I mean like the helmet we could have some kind of protection generalised for racing to protect the colorbone, knees, ribs as those seem to be the most common injuries.
This has been an all around bad couple of weeks for cycling. I am a huge Pogacar fan, but I want to see him racing against the best riders in the world at their peak. In the past ten days, four of the five best riders in the world have hit the deck hard with Wout and Jonas needing surgeries to repair broken bones. Even if their recovery is as good as it could be, they still won’t be as strong in July as they would have been if they’d never suffered major crashes in March/April
Many collarbone surgeries are not needed. Those who get it recover/heal quicker. There's a good chance both Jonas and Wout chose the surgery route. Either way....out until May. Those hands are not gripping handlebars and pulling until June.
Pogacar favourite for the TDF then?
Makes sense they all hit the bumps in the road at relatively high speed-- enough to make you lose control of your bike. It is surprising the race organizers don't look for and fix this type of road hazard on a downhill curve. I've experienced hitting bumps in corners on both bike and moto and the same thing happens if you're going to fast--bounces your wheel right off the pavement and a moment lack of steering! Hope for speedy recovery for all the crash victims. Sure throws a glitch into the season!
Unless the video is exceptionally graphic, I think its important for everyone to see and understand that gravity of the situation, Tastefully of course. Showing the same angle replay multiple times though does seem a bit unnecessary.
I know if I was Family/Friends of a rider that went down, I would want to know what happened / what is happening, having a media blackout just makes it so you have to go on a wild goose chase online to find any pictures or information because anyone that posts a replay of the crash online is just swarmed by people telling them to delete it.
First a crappy Cyclocross season and now this. I gotta find another sport to watch
Speedy recovery all the rides 🙏 🙌 💪
The 180 before the cobbles isn't safer than the old route.
I've been watching bike racing since the Pedro Delgado days and I've never seen a crash take out so many top riders.
It really hurts to hear all these recents new, hoping they could all recover and be back on the upcoming TdF. Hoping this will be the last for these cycling crashes
I think it is good to show it,,, to bring the audience a real perception of how dangerous this sport truly is, and to bring forth information that is otherwise hard to get…
It is absolutely correct for them to broadcast the rider’s injury situation. It will help put the family members minds at ease. View what Chris Horner explained on this.
Do we know for sure if it's a broken collarbone? Because it could be just fractured, and then the recovery time is possibly way less.
I remember last spring the danish rider Emma Norsgaard went down and injured her collarbone, and she was back on the home trainer in like three weeks.
No matter the degree of the injuries, we obviously wish all the riders a speedy recovery. God bedring, Vinge.
The tour is out this year! Happy he will be OK.
Thank God he is ok. My prayers go out to him and his family and wish him a speedy recovery. Heal up Jonas we need back to defend your TDF title.
And to all Remco Jay and Prizom and Kenda heal up guys we need you all back.
Likelier that we are not going to see Jonas in the TDF this year. :(
What a shame, thank you for the content
Get better please. I hope your extreme fitness is helping. Take a long break to get really really strong.
The pictures should go out, what concerns me is the lack of follow up reporting by the major official channels. No offense to you (thank you for reporting) but it is crazy that we should find out details from 3rd party commentary channels and have virtually no information from eurosport or the race organisers.
Norwegian Tobias Johannesen broke his collarbone in january, and he was back racing at catalunya. There is hope. I hope all of them are back up racing soon..
I’ve broken twenty ribs over the years. Bike crashes, slip and falls, fights. They are an absolute misery for weeks.
would be nice to hear about the not so famous riders as well - I saw at least 1 more rider not even moving...
Man I think this time of the year is cursed, last year we cannot forget gino and pogacar and this.
I wish all the riders a speedy recovery.
Watching in Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Broke my collar bone over 20 years ago, it will sometimes get a little tingle even now and then, Jonas is tough he will be back
Thankfully it wasn't worse, Godspeed.
I crashed on the Haute Route Alps last summer clean breaking 5 ribs in my back and fracturing a few more at the front. I can tell you I could not get on my bike for 10 weeks and it took about 3 months to feel even vaguely normal. He will have to be on extremely powerful pain killers that will be opioids. The come down from such drugs is savage. Vingergaard maybe a world class athlete but he will not be right for the tour. Even if he is back on the bike in 5 or 6 weeks he will not feel right (it's like an alien has stolen your skeletal structure and replaced it with another set of bones - even now 8/9 months on I am still getting used to it), he will lose fitness as it impossible to exercise your cardio vascular system with badly broken ribs at the level he would need to compete and mentally it is so hard to deal with. If I were a rival team manager and Vingerguaard was at the tour, I would instruct my team to push really hard on the decents. Collar bones are fine, ribs are complicated. Surgeons will not operate on them unless it is life threatening generally speaking. The pain is off the chart for about 3-4 weeks, even with the drugs. The likelihood of a chest infection is extremely high.... trust me, every cough will make him scream and/or cry. It is impossible to sleep more than 30 minutes or so at a time and whole experience is truly horrific. I consider myself to be very strong mentally speaking, having spent 10 years in the UK military. This pushed me to my absolute limits and I feel so sorry for him. If he even manages to compete at the tour I would be delighted, but very, very surprised. If he were to get close to winning, it would be the stuff of legends!!!!
On the topic with btoken collat bone. I had mine comoletely shattered. Refused the surgery, and even without surgery managed to get on yhe bike 16 days after the crash for. 6 weeks after its conpletely hraled with 1k under the belt. So thete is hope for quick recovery for Jonas.
My heart goes out to all the crash victims. I've been there. For years I've thought that the UCI should do more to protect the riders. Send out 5 or 10 riders to ride the course and identify all the danger spots . Then flag them All the riders who went off the road and down in the ditch might have been saved.
it says it takes 6-8 weeks without surgery, but i think they will do surgery and put in a plate, like they did with Wout van Aert. Cuz with a plate you can get back on your bike 2 days later. tho ofcourse Jonas also has other injuries so it will take longer. But for example Wout already did his first 4K walk yesterday and he also had his collarbone broken and some ribs (they plated his collarbone too in surgery).
I watched first fall on 0.25 speed and to me it looks like front tire went off the wheel. Was this caused by crash or did it cause the crash?
Got a feeling many of these guys won’t be back to full form for the TDF. Might give a chance to someone else for podiums.
Does the camera belong there? Yes. These are our heros and we love them. We are connected almost like family and we deserve The Truth. In a World of scripted sports, this is real; with real risk; real danger and short of absolute gore, we should see the glory of victory; but also the harsh realites. May all the injured riders and all the broken hearted fans find healing and peace.
Yes, these photos should go out. If the teams try to restrict them, viewers will seek them out more. Jonas seems to have been immune to misfortune for years, unlike some of his top tier rivals. He was probably due some bad luck. It happens to the best. Pro racers are always at risk. He should be ok for the tour. He won't be in top form, but he'll be there with straps and pain killers to keep him comfortable. The life of a pro.
Thanks so much, @thecyclingdane, for this update! You da man.
Thank you Colin :) appreciate that
According to Chris Horner, showing the crash is important to those family members watching, because it may be the only way they can spot their loved ones moving or getting up afterwards.
All Good for Jonas🙏
Chris Horner said on his podcast that during the Tour de France, when he was involved in the crash, everything was broadcasted on TV. NBC and ABC in the United States reached out to his wife to find out more. At the time, she didn't have any additional information beyond what was shown on TV. The point being, without the TV footage showing that he was moving, his wife wouldn't have known about his condition until they got in touch or his team updated her. As drastic as the pictures were, Jonas moving his leg was a sign that he did not sustain any spinal injury.
It's still a bad injory. But it's good at least his brain and spine are being in good shape. Wish him a speedy recovery.🙏🏻
Looks like a freak incident. Reorder in second or third seemed to hit a stone or divot in the road. Those behind it’s hard to see why they went off the road. Roads aren’t perfect - hey, try the ones in England. That’s why it’s called road cycling as opposed to track.
What a shame... Hopefully all the riders recover well.. The big four may never race together at the tdf at their peak. Shame
Man this race is cursed. Along with the WVA crash its been a sucky 2 weeks.
We need as much vid and pics as possible because we can't trust the corporate media any longer.
Noooo! Get well soon Jonas!
These people are fiercely competitive and you can't curtail that or it wouldn't be sport. That said , like many other things , money is the equal driver : contracts for the riders based on results , spectacle for the viewers etc. Helmets were considered ridiculous ,even by riders , at one time.Now anybody not wearing a helmet for even a casual ride is considered an idiot.So things can change and not entail ruining our beautiful sport. Perhaps some grading of what roads can be ridden on by a generation of racers who are flat out from the start. Some thought ,some knowledgeable input , some changes. Hope all the guys become well and back at their best in the shortest , safest time.
Actually after I listened to Chris Horner yes they need to show it because its the fastest way for the families to know whats going on. Because Chriss wife chimed in on it and she got late information and was worried about Chris but with the live coverage in later races she knew right away instead of seacond hand information.
Was Nathnael Tesfatsion in a crash too? Wish a quick recovery for all.❤❤❤
Jonas Vingegaard got a punctured lung, acording to the main Danish Television/Radio station. 😢 Wish him a fast recovery with no implications.
Chris Horner just did a video on showing the crashed riders
..doing better now.....right?
Speedy recovery to all these amazing athletes! Great news that they will all recover, sad news they will miss the Tour De France.
As far as i can tell the reporters, especially the camera men, respect a certain distance, and give information rather than sensation. It would be wrong to give close-ups, or show cruel pictures. That officials want to improve safety is most welcome, and i hope they will bent more seriously over the problem from now on. They have made progres but evidently not anough. Maybe they will for sure, because how many great have been lost by accidents... And finally we had three of the four best... But as you say, the important thing now is that they will feel well again as soon as possible. God bless!
Liability should go to the organizers: They focus only in delivering a profitable show and sure welcoming drama why not, whatever helps for them to get big audience and $, without considering holistic safety and optimal racing conditions, it's a shame to see more and more bike accidents like this one.