SPOILERS! The final moments with our protagonist perfectly demonstrates Hollywood's (any many viewers') warped idea of what a good character is when said character is a woman. After being pushed to her limit, losing her brother, and watching a sizeable portion of her tribe's hunters and warriors die, she is named War Cheif and has a big smile on her face whilst everyone cheers for her. In Predator, after being pushed to his limit, losing his entire team, and a good friend of his outside of said team, Dutch's final moments on screen are him sitting there physically exhausted, mentally scarred by how many friends of his were killed right in front of him, and probably already riddled with survivor's guilt. I honestly do not understand why so many critics are praising this film for its character development.
Because they're broken souls as well, happy to trample others on their way to the top. This Wahmen was honestly unlikeable. She was only slightly bothered by her brothers death, and couldn't care less about the others.
I'm not watching it, but they made her a Chief? Ye gods, that is stupid. A tribe taking that many loses is doomed. They will be absorbed into another tribe.
@Russ Ingram What are you on about? The life of pi, Lorax, Django Unchained, 21 jump street, the dictator, men in black 3, skyfall, the pirates, Jack Reacher, all released in 2012 Half of these aren't even great movies, yet better than the shit we get nowdays. 2012 alone had more good movies than the past 3 years combined lol
The outrage mob makes taking risks too risky. Before all you were risking was just making a movie that audiences weren't interested in, or just wasn't that good. Now you're risking being unpersoned if you don't walk the line.
You clowns are so drunk on calling everything woke or anti-woke, you can't even see straight anymore. This movie would have been considered good at any time, because it was a genuinely solid and fun movie. I'm sorry if you can't see a female protagonist anymore without your juvenile politics coming into play. If it was some big burly male who did the EXACT SAME THINGS you'd be praising the movie without complaint. This was a stripped down, bare-bones Predator film that obliterates the last few entries in the franchise.
@@darkphoenix2 Yes them getting the gun from the second movie was very subtle even tho this means the predator's came back and killed all of them is very subtle
The reason the trees are burnt in the French trappers scene is a nod to the original movie, when the Predator steals Blaine's body and Arnold says it's using the trees. The French trappers seemingly have figured it out and burn all the trees in the area they are trying to trap the predator.
But he uses the burnt stumps in the movie as jumping pads so, didn't work, like at all? I thought it was to make a clearing in which he could less easily hide.
Yeah I think the trappers clued in on some of the attributes of the predator and intentionally burned the forest to create an environment that defeated the camo
LOL. "In the end, Dutch was a traumatized man, probably resolved to never visit a jungle again." In fact, that was Arnold Schwarzenegger's real story from doing Predator. He said it was the most miserable experience of his whole life because of the environmental conditions and would never return to the franchise again.
Funny enough Dutch is still alive in the extended lore and hunting the predators, the closest you will see a return of his character is in the predator video game.
This review just made me realise how good the original predator was. With every new film that comes out I just have so much more appreciation for the oldies.
I'd daresay some of what would be considered B action movies from the oldies would be superior than the utter shite that is churned out these days. Baack in the days when they didn't need to worry about *the message*
@@AvoidTheCadaver Some? I'd argue 'most' is more appropriate. Those movies were made as pure entertainment, not to push agenda and 'The Message'. I'd rather watch every action movie from 90s (for Nth time :) than any of the modern garbage.
@@lazyman7505 exactly, Until we all quit watching this woke garbage nothing will change, until we turn the channel and start watching all shows made before Wokeness nothing but change, don’t watch new movies until Hollywood learns it’s lesson, this movie was nothing more than woke garbage
More people from the younger generation needs to understand this. Most young kids my age don't care about old films cuz they're old. They like bad movies if they have pretty people in it. And it's not helped by ''the message'' which they carefully ignore even though they make the films pretty hard to swallow. My point is respect the past and improve.
"As each one died, you felt the hole they left". That sir, is an amazing way to describe it, and I never considered it that way. In Predator, as each soldier died it felt more hopeless and... empty. Color stripped away from a painting that was whole with all members on stage. Excellent job, Drinker.
To quote something I saw downvoted on reddit: The first movie is a deconstruction of masculinity. The best of the best, and absolute physical specimens of humanity go to war with guerrillas and annihilate them. Their (Hollywood) fieldcraft and combat make them indestructable Gods of war.... And this draws the attention of a bigger fish. The Predator shrugs off their firepower, picks apart their numerical advantage, desecrates their dead, and rattles their nerves. The only way Arnold Schwarzenegger survives is because he accidentally stumbles upon camouflage to stop the beast seeing him, then resorts to primative, caveman tactics to overcome the Predator. Even then it is not enough, and they are finally put on equal footing. The Hunter acknowledges his prey, and they lock horns in a deadly 1 vs 1. Arnold, the biggest man in Hollywood is outclassed. Even when his final trap is employed, the Predator outfoxes it, and is only killed by the log used as leverage to the original trap. By the end, Arnold Schwarzenegger is borderline dead. He has PTSD, lost all of his friends and comrades, and sombre music plays. There's a 101 errors tactically with the movie: Why do they only discuss their backup plan / reinforcements whilst en route? Why wouldn't Dillon mention Jim Hopper and his men? Why does Billy, a professional soldier, go all "grampy bone be feelin' dis" at nothing? When they attack the enemy encampment, there's no plan for how to egress if things go bad. When Mac says he found the other hostage, and he's dead too, could it be from the fact Arnie's men blew up the whole village without seeing which building the hostage was inside? Arnie says "Find me a way out of this hole" to Billy. They should have had an extraction plan prior to the attack, or even prior to landing. How do they know the first chopper was taken out by a heat seeker? How can you tell the guidance system on a SAM / RPG explosion by looking at shrapnel for a few seconds? Maybe it was radar guided. And so on and so on.... (I have lots more) But Predator had heart, soul, and a novel concept. It will always be in my top 3 movies. Prey wasn't a bad movie, but it was nothing to write home about. Frankly I found the predator more stupid, and the tactics to bring it down less impressive. People have no problem with women heroes, and to this day, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are benchmarks for feminine prowess. It's just they happened to be amazing characters as well as females. By all means give us a female native American killer (even if she's half Thai/Chinese), but I don't think you're telling a story that is relevant to the Predator experience, which is over-reliance on technology, and the idea of a super power being wiped out by a less sophisticated enemy. The first movie is a very good analogy to the Vietnam War. This was just someone's female wish fulfilment.
I'd much rather watch Nausicaa, a classic example of a great female protagonist, than watch again this perfect example of Disney Style modern day female empowerment.
And they told it all visually. You see their weapons and appearance and instantly could tell the unique role they played. You knew who was the scout, the heavy gunner, the comms. Each loss meant one less major friend and asset gone till Dutch had nothing left but himself.
I think it’s odd you didn’t mention the native American in the original Predator. He was the first to realize. “There’s something out there waiting for us, and it ain’t no man.”
As far as I remember, she was presented as a generic "Latino" guerilla (insurgent) fighter (although we know that the film was shot in the jungles of Mexico, the exact location is not specified in the film, and the impression expressed by moviegoers is that the action took place somewhere in South American Colombia, being about insurgents and guerilla wars. But, anyway, she was not presented as a Native American, nor did she give that impression.
I personally liked it, the predators seemed like massive femboys without their masks, weaker than a toddler. It makes sense he'd be stronger even without a mask, hence the name Predator.
The idea for the Predator is not to take damage and do nothing, like some of those "fat bosses" from 90's videogames and movies. The idea is to avoid damage, and yet end up outmatched by a superior combatant, who can adapt.
@@lollllolll. I really liked the movie, you can see the effort they put into it. Everything makes sense, is connected etc. Also, predators that hunt humans are actually low tier predators, thats why he has low grade weaponry... but yeah, they are tanks as fuck. What I liked most about the movie is that he would never die by brute forcing him, he got played in the end, and thats how he lost...
@@fernandoi8958 I disagree with the last part, she almost brute forced him and probably should have tbh, she jumped on and beat the predator, sliced its arm off and practically strangled it with rope and lead it into a bog, the movie ends with the predator killing itself but there really was no need, she might as well have walked over and punched it to death at that point, she completely outclassed the predator physically (fucking somehow)
I hope the actor who played her brother shows up in a lot more. I really enjoyed his role and performance personally. And I'm pretty sure this was his first role.
But this guy showed too much "toxic masculinity" of course he had to be slain early doors for the Mary Sue Matrix gymnastics alien killer to flourish 😂😂😂😂💩
I agree. He really cared about the sister, but also showed her/told the reasons why she previously failed. Furthermore, he had the humility to tell her how she had actually helped him (through her own failure of falling out of the tree) that she had set everything up correctly for him to beat the lion. I found her to be a good fighter and quick thinker, but by no means a match for even a "low level" Predator. And, no one seems to mention the funky herbs she used to make her heat signature disappear. I cry BS there!
But overall, you gotta admit the tag team between the brother and sister to fight The Predator along with the dog is pretty good and they have a good choreography fight. I wish he survived in the end.
I really wish he was the main character. Seeing him fight the predator was wicked. Gave me some serious Turok vibes. He actually brought her back before going after the lion whereas she doesn't even try to get his body back after killing the Predator.
Actually the film could have gone in the direction of brother + sister together defeating the predator. It was even highlighted in the film that their skills have a good synergy. It would bring something new to the table at least.
Her brother almost killed it alone If that spear would be few centimeters to the center of predator it would Pierce his heart And yes I would love seeing both of them fighting predator at the end. His experience and her ingenuity. We also have to remember our alien boy was so filled with wounds at the end he was dizzy, tech he used to close his wounds and start up healing would help but he still lost a lot and I mean a lot of blood
I mean it went back to the lion hunt how she injured it but didn’t kill it. Then with Predator Her brother fucked it up to the point it was weak then she finished it off.
right? Her brother is actually good at hunting and combat, she's good at strategy and cunning. Her plan is solid but the second the predator had her by the neck she shoulda been dead af. I mean shit it picked up a fucking bear earlier but she survives getting slammed into the ground by her neck? lol okay.
That scene was dumb, it's obvious to you she doesn't die since it's an awkward death do the main character and it was only at the first half of the movie. So essentially you knew it is foreshadowing...
One of the things that makes the original so awesome is you get to see Dutch, and his company operate as combat seasoned soldiers before the predator is ever revealed. So much so that I've always considered it to be a 2-part movie that starts as a military action movie, and ends as an action/horror movie. The director wants you to know just how good the team is so when you see how easily the predator kills them off it really drives home the fact that he is a complete badass as well. They have to adapt to survive, and use methods outside of brute force, and heavy weaponry. The Yautja is far different from anything they've ever faced, and has weapons that puts them at an instant disadvantage. Dutch ends up relying on counter-insurgency techniques, and obfuscation to avoid direct contact with the Yautja because he knows he's simply outsized, and outmatched in a one on one brawl. You even get the sense that even after he wins he's so beat to shit that he doesn't actually feel like he won. More like he barely survived.
Only failing was that they didn't show that big ass Indian take it on with a knife. That would have been awesome, especially given that he's a better character (played by a better actor) than Schwarzenegger.
AND they had enough juice to insert a perfectly valid post-Watergate government secrecy angle with Carl Weathers’ character without glomming up the film!
This is the problem with most of the sequels...they miss what made the original so good. The "Predator Format" goes: 1) Establish the indisputable badassedness of the prey 2) Have your Predator eliminate the most badass of badasses like they are nothing with 1 being the most important part. Even "Predators (2010)" which is the best of the post Predator 2 crap is maybe a 6.5 because they don't understand the format responsible for the success of the original.
I literally almost spat my drink out when he said, "She fucks it up and gets injured." No way. A woman actually messing something up in a Hollywood movie, actually demonstrating some weakness and vulnerability and maybe some room for growth? Color me genuinely shocked, and give them a tiny gold star sticker for that one.
Yeah but then later when her brother explains what happened, he says that basically she DID defeat the Lion with her plan but she was just unconscious so he finished it off and took the credit for her work. Shocking...
"It's all based of this simple minded fallacy that the absence of fear or weakness is what makes a person strong. It doesn't. it's a person's ability to overcome their flaws and fears and weaknesses that makes them a stronger character." Fucking take that to the bank.
@Good Teaching there is a huge difference between overcoming fears and them to never have existed at all. It seems like you're going out of your way to make an argument and not doing a very good job of it.
@Good Teaching It seems like you're hinging on a very narrow view of semantics to make your point. So I went ahead and went on Marrianm Webster to check this. It doesn't say anything about it being once present. The second definition is just straight up "not existing." So, the very specific definition you're trying to fit that word into isn't even right. Even if you were right, which again you're not, but if you were. What would you be trying to prove by tearing down an entire statement by devolving it down to the linguistics of a specific word? This is stuff poets do, which is fine in their specific setting, but this is the UA-cam comment section.
@Good Teaching Overcoming your fears is not losing them. It´s knowing them but not let them stop you from doing what needs to be done. Absence of fear is also called stupidity. Because you have to be an idiot to not be afraid.
This makes me wish I could have watched this movie on accident without knowing it was a Predator movie. How mind blowing would that bear reveal scene be if you were a fan, but had no idea it was coming!?
As someone who loves nature and watches documentaries, that bear scene was just unwatchable for me. That's not how bears behave. They aren't mindless killing machines. Wild animals are extremely risk averse and don't just mindlessly attack. And if a bear does come at you it's not going to be growling, it's going to be very calm as it tears you apart, you'll just hear snorting and breathing as it eats you.
@@sup9542 That was the sad part of the movie. Really unrealistic. Humans really aren't on any wild animal's internally programmed meals. They tend to avoid humans like the plague.
@Sup That bear saw an easy 100 lb snack. Winter is coming! Need fat! Why wouldn't it attack? Although, early in the fight, that bear did fuck up the predator. Nicely done Mr. Yogi.
You know the industry is in dire straits when 'not as bad as I thought' is considered a masterpiece because everything else recently has been that awful.
When the bar has been set so low, raising it just a tiny bit seems a masterpiece by comparison. It’s why a mediocre looking woman looks hot next to a bunch of fat, ugly women.
They repeatedly violated "Show don't tell", explaining obvious clues that would normally reward the audience for their attention. "He's the one who killed the buffalo", "He can't see me if I eat these flowers", "That's what makes me dangerous". I did enjoy elements of it, but 93% on Rotten Tomatoes?? Maybe they grade on a curve...
That's exactly what it is: grading on a curve. Our bar of expectations has been set so low that okay movies receive high praise for not being completely terrible.
"I've told her a thousand times never train by yourself, all it does is engrain your mistakes" - Vesemir master of the school of the wolf and apparently toxic male
Doesn’t that kinda make sense though? Like training by yourself would make you blind to your own mistakes? Would be easier to learn watching someone else learning with you.
To a certain extent you can. If you are shooting a bow and fail to hit the target, clearly something needs to be improved. Now, it may develop bad habits that can inhibit future growth, but learning on your own some is certainly possible
If you compare this movie to Apocalypto, directed by Mel Gibson, you see that Mel Gibson puts huge attention to character development, ambiance, and COMMON SENSE. He gives true reasons for fear because of the motives that drive even the villains. Apocalypto does not have aliens, but for some reason, you care so much about all characters, and every death is pure loss, and sadness. Indigenous stories can be very attractive, but need another level of sensibility and immersion to create a bond with the audience. Prey does not give it, its shallow beauty and some lost gore. But anyway, great analysis Drinker!
Yes. Part of what a makes a great movie, is to make you feel like you are in the situation with them. When a movie doesn't create that, it is a lost movie for me, no matter how beautiful or expensive it may be.
@@Ep123C yes it’s not historically accurate, but still a good sample of a culture that few directors or people care about. At least at the entertainment industry, few really care to tell a good story about South America…. But I agree about historical accuracy being important.
That is true. They should have made the whole movie in Native American language (or whatever the Comanche are speaking) instead of switching back and fourth to English for no reason.
@@vdochev you do know their is an option in the setting to set it full un Comanche and subtitles in English. Y’all not even knowing this say’s a lot about y’all.
The little amount that they do talk is what I hated the most about the movie. Not that I wanted more of it at all. But I hated the way they spoke. I felt like they made no attempt to dial back the mannerisms and attitude of 21st century English. The brother talked like a gym bro who just finished listening to the latest Rick Ross album. No I wasn't expecting them to speak more like Native Americans, but less like they just left Starbucks and were too busy posting selfies on Instagram
One of the things I really respect about you Drinker is that you can go into a movie with preconceived notion’s but still have enough of an open mind to get past them and give an honest review. Must be why you have such a big following! Cheers Drinker!
The predator is a brutal alien enemy the toughest warriors of her tribe could never quite even scratch. It was very exhilarating when she found the key to defeating this enemy, the plot armour.
My thought is that it could have been a completely depressing movie where the main character gets killed trying to take on such a monstrous entity. Might’ve made it more realistic and dramatic. But I think the pricks at Disney might’ve had something to do with the character.
This Rookie Pred got literally arrowed, speared in the foot and then again through back by the brother, and shot by frenchmen before it even fought the girl. The Comanches rocked his shit more than Dutch and his boys back in the jungle.
Yeah, like hype of the axe as the best one around, accidentally created as an ever-sharp and well balanced tool, that saved it's owner's life against not one, but two bears (dropping a tree on them which tree got 'chopped' partially and prepared before as part of a desperate attempt to a trap), and then their heads were taken by the same axe, and thus earned it's legendary status, and even got the name "The Chopper"...The name and legend reveal should be done close after the "Get to the Chopper!" line! Even asked the owner in disbelief about the ridiculous name: "Chopper?" where the owner tells it's legend. Only downside would be, that most of them would see the joke/homage miles away if the name was dropped too early. Maybe most part of the story about the the Legendary Axe could be told but cut in half before the name drops, by the battle-cry of the Predator, and when they are safe, the name of the axe would be explained: "Yeah, I even gave it the name, 'Chopper.'" And the other character would be like: Foolish old man... or sumthin'. The joke/homage could work out very well, IF written really good and in a clever way. :-p
Two things that really bugged me beyond what you mentioned: 1) Tying a rope to a throwing weapon, will completely affect how it operates, can't wait to see what Shad has to say about this! 2) Preddie can easily Overhead Press a fucking bear, he later hits Naru in the head twice with the equivalent of a manhole cover... I'm a fairly beefy boy at 115kg if I hit her in the head she'd be out cold, give me a blunt force weapon and she's not waking up. So how the fuck does she survive that, unscathed? But as you stated Drinker much less worse than expected.
i hope no-one tries her "attach a rope to an axe" style of fighting in real life - because ppl are gonna lose legs - what a ridiculous scene. Imagine watching that as you edit the film and thinking, "yup, that makes sense, that would work, and its totally badass!" Just NO - all the types of NO
It would have made more sense if most of the hunters went missing never returning from their hunts. Now you have the problem of an entire tribe losing men/hunters. Thus being faced with starvation, it would make sense for her to have a strong desire to abandon her traditional role in the tribe.
Know what is funny? In the og predator it is said that the predator comes during hot years to hunt men. They could have had this movie go for a while and show the men in the village or tribe be killed during months, tuss accomplishing her desire to hunt and maybe even avenge her family.
That would've been a really good motivator, and the push needed for her to be open to new ideas just for the sake of the tribe and the mother's words of "It's about survival".
On the "no women hunting thing," that was, at least to my knowledge, not exactly forbidden as it was just not a thing, as the women had their work cut out for them at camp and were genuinely needed to do those tasks while the braves went out hunting or to war.
Yup and even women going to war a couple of times in their life wasn't rare either. Usually it was done for revenge if a family member or husband was killed.
Right but the reality is was men were disposable. You couldn't send women in masses or you're sacrificing the future of your tribe. Without someone to bear children there's no future. Men are akin to worker bees protecting the queen. I know modern feminism hates historic women's roles but women on average are just better at care-taking roles and from an evolutionary stand point it makes sense. One of my favorite movies is Alien. Ripley never used physical strength to overpower the xenomorph because that would make no sense. In Aliens she became a caretaker/savior for a small girl. Hollywood has this stupid idea that putting women in as lead roles just means you stick them in as placeholder for what a man would do.
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I also can't get over how not-muscular she is. After training that hard, and gaining what you need to become a hunter, she would look way different.
after 1600 when the comanche turned into bloodthirsty warriors that was indeed a thing for the comanche tribe. only boys were hunters and warriors and they were trained for it while riding a horse since they were children. Women were just that, gatherers , cooks , cleaning the skins off of animals caught and doing witchcraft-medicine.
because you're nostalgic. nothing more. if you don't see the strengths of 100s of modern films, you either don't watch movies anymore or your taste in them stunted in the mid 90s.
@@aaroncostello8812 you mean like all movies have been to an extent in some time or another? you don't watch movies. you watch other people talk about them.
@@walter4180 Really? Says the guy who is watching and commenting on a video made by other people talking about movies? If you are going to be a hypocrite at least try to be subtle about it. 🤡🤡
The girl stepped into the steel bear trap and later on the predator also got his ankle whacked. It must have been made in China because it did not affect either of them. Or ankles were much tougher back then.
So in defence of this for the predator in the film, he is shown healing his wounds in a way that this wouldn't be an issue earlier in the film. When he applies the healing you see the wound healing almost immediately. As for the protagonist, the entire finale starts to have issues including this, or when it is the predator can or cannot see her. A lot of the issues like the lack of predator vision establishing how he could see her again, how he didn't notice her when she ambushed him etc, really feel more like they ran out of budget though (as it was clearly shot on a smaller budget) rather then just oversights.
those aren’t bear traps 🤣🤦🏾♂️ those traps or for small game or coyotes/foxes. A bear trap would’ve instantly cut her leg off. Also it’s a movie dude it showed her putting some medicine on it and it wasn’t that deep of a wound. You want her to be limping the whole movie or die from sepsis for the sake of keeping it “realistic”
The thought of a team of Predators rolling up to the Comanche village and just wiping them immediately after the credits is darkly hilarious that the writers didn't think of that angle
Perhaps it's like what should have been the ending of Hobbit-Desolation of Smaug, but was instead being put into 5 Armies. The massacre that would make that plot point make sense, sadly happens in the first 5 minutes of the sequel. That would certainly subvert expectations. I don't know what happens to the main character, perhaps she survives, since the gun indicates a respect of her warrior ability? (Haven't watched film)
That was my main complaint as well, I mean they should flee in terror seeing this monstrosity. No one was ever remotely scared of him lmao. It was a decent movie, but yeah loads of inconsistencies.
Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said in the title he thought it was surprisingly good? I thought this was nothing more than hot woke garbage
@@CapybaraConnoisseur89 Well for them it would be like yet another spirit they believed in, you either afraid of them or not, but all the scary shit he's doin- well he's a magical horrible demon, what would you expect.
I am SHOCKED, basically the critical drinker‘s review is saying that he thought it was woke as can be BUT that it was OK….wait what??? Are you effing kidding me? A movie that’s woke is garbage in my eyes, and I thought the critical drinker was the same way….but I guess not…. Please wake up critical drinker!, if it’s woke it’s hot garbage, nothing more
I wonder if this tribe were the distant ancestors of the Native American soldier in the first movie. If i remember right, he was even thinking about " demons from the legends ", at least in the book version.
Danny was great character even though he hardly said a word in the movie, it's just different league to this feminist nonsense, great idea ruined by Disney's social engineering.
I feel when a new movie is almost immediately showered with praise, it's coming from fans having what I call Mike Wazowski syndrome - they're way too happy anything new from their favorite franchise comes out that they're [at least momentarily] blind to any flaws.
This, as always, comes down to those behind the camera. The scriptwriters. Back in Arnies' day, they were the cream of the crop. Had been mentored by the best and knew how to captivate an audience and tell a story. Today, it's painting by numbers or stealing ideas from the past. There is very little originality. The only movies now that seem to stand out from the rest are the ones that refuse to follow that path.
i wish more people would realize that writers today suck. you're right, they're scooped by the bucket and mixed with other terrible writers.. then that bucket is splashed over a canvas and producers expect it to look like art. just pitiful.
Aren’t you shocked to see the critical drinker‘s title saying that this was surprisingly good? This was one of the worst movies I’ve seen all year, woke Hollywood garbage, nothing more
Arnies Predator, Director John McTierman, was his 2nd movie, writer Jim Thomas, was his first movie, John Thomas was his first movie. They also wrote, Wild wild west, so to say cream of the crop. They had an original idea and made a good movie but because they were cream of the crop. (McTierman did go on with Die Hard and Hunt for Red October.)
@@Astares9 I genuinely would like to know WHERE these writers come from. I've read fan-fiction FAR better than the scripts of modern movies/TV shows/comics.
I assumed that when it was suddenly looking "post apocalyptical" as you say, that the French colonists had burned all the trees in the area around and put them in the middle as bait. Assumedly so it couldn't sneak in high up in the trees as it did a lot in the first part of the movie.
@@jimmi114 in a way it worked. The fire they set allowed them to capture the predator and battle it. Worked out better than in a full lush forest. Of course they lost but still lol
@@jimmi114 if they didnt burn the tree... the ash wouldnt damage his cloaking... they had to somehow make him visible for a fight and thats what they came up with. lmao.
@@reignmans hadn't thought of that....they even make a nod to it. When the pred walks into the field its cloaking is clearly useless and it turns it off.
The dog was unrealistic. Should have been a pit that ripped off the predator's face, and then when Mary Sue goes to pet it, it latches on to her arm and shakes, mortally wounding her.
I never felt she was in trouble because every time the Predator got his hands on her he threw her around rather than doing what it did to everyone else.
Because the predator has an honour code to not kill something it doesn't deem can fight back then learns yeah bitch can fuck me up. I dunno I'm not defending sloppy writing though people need to write better believable characters with actual arcs
To me, this is like Black Panther all over again. The movie is just passable (unlike say, Lady Ghosbusters) and it carries the right "message", therefore the critics go absolutely crazy as if it was a masterpiece. If you replace the main actress by a native guy, the Tomatometer drops below 70%.
I actually wouldn't have minded if Dakota Beavers had been the lead. I really thought he had good screen presence, and was a little disappointed he wasn't used more.
Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said he thought this was woke but good? If it’s woke it’s BAD…I thought he was on board with this but I guess not, when did woke equal surprisingly good? Absolutely incredible, this movie was hot woke garbage
It’s the fact they picked the scrawniest girl to play the role of a warrior women. She wouldn’t even be able to pull the axe out of a tree like she does.
What made John Wick's introduction one of the most badass protagonist intros is that he and his achievements are spoken of by other characters with reverence like he was some mythical creature or deity. That set him up perfectly as a certified, no nonsense badass. Imagine if John Wick said: "I am a man of focus and sheer will and I have been sent to kill the Boogeyman" he would've sounded like a cringey teenager in CW shows trying really hard to act tough, grown up and mature.
on the one hand i agree with this, but in a recent video criticising the new she-hulk series, CD said that other characters pointing out her 'awesomeness' was a flaw in storytelling. too much show and no tell. in this sense the john wick way of introduction is a flaw. I think there is a double standard here. I keep wondering if anyone would enjoy a character like john wick, flaws and all, if he was female. This is not an accusatory wonder, I am genuinely curious.
@@lilcoffeebandit i get your point but then again the first time we saw Jhon wick, he get beaten and his dog get slaughter that make us symphatise, so when the Mafia boss tell the story about how badass Jhon wick in his past we wanna saw that little guy get killed so so bad. In other hand she-hulk never shown get trouble for what she do, so yeah (sorry about the terrible English)
@@lilcoffeebandit See, if you watch John Wick, you will notice that the movie doesn't actually begin with some homeboys praising him in the first five minutes. It starts with him being beat up, on the brink of death looking at a photo of him and a woman(we don't know it was his wife yet) on his phone. Then, the movie becomes a huge flashback to that moment. This immediately tells you this guy is going to see some action. And like Yoel said, we actually see him get beat up by home invaders that kill his dog, so before he gets praise from other characters, you secured your audience's will to root for him. This is an extremely important factor in a character's likability. There are key differences you overlooked in this comparison.
The main issue I had with the film was the end fight with the predator, up until that point the film for the most part portrays her pretty realistically, she fails at taking out a mountain lion, fails at taking out a bear, taking on those french men was a pretty big stretch indeed, but then when it comes to fighting the predator she basically turns into marvel's black widow, she runs rings around the predator, jumps off a 20 foot high tree branch onto its back, yanks its tooth out and stabs the predator with it, pulls it off its feet, survives being choke slammed no problem, it was like watching a super hero movie, the movie could have been much better if they made that fight more realistic.
There are a lot of missed opportunities in action movies, where instead of making the audience more fearful of the enemy and ramping up the suspense, they want to show the good guys doing nifty tricks. At the very least find a good balance between the two.
I disliked the whole thing, but pulling the predators tooth off with one hand? We're talking about a creature that beat a bear to death with its bear hands and she just pulls his tooth off like a lego?
@@TheRealNormanBates Obviously the Predator grabbed the bear’s paws and began slapping the bear’s face while saying, “Why are you slapping yourself? Why are you slapping yourself?” Because the Predator is so strong though, it actually killed the bear with its bear hands/paws.
AND she got hit with a shield (and received no injuries) not minutes after that same shield had decapitated a guy and cut completely through the tree behind him... duh fuhgh?
Instead of wanting to be a hunter to "Reject society standards" the protagonist should have simply enjoyed joining her brother on hunts. This would make it a real "Fish out of water" story when all hell breaks loose. She now has to deal with this horrific beast by using the skills she learned by following her brother. I think that would be far more compelling and scary.
I think if they made Naru lose something in the final fight, it would have made up for a lot of the criticisms this movie gets. For example, if the dog died as a sacrifice to kill the predator, or if she lost a limb or something, it would feel much more realistic and like she earned the win. Overall, still really enjoyed the movie.
I think if you want to do an arc for a character like this you start them off with a naïve understanding of what a warrior/hunter is. For her it's all glory and pride, very appealing compared to the mundane expectations the tribe has for her. She's warned that her idea of it and the reality of it are not the same, but she is unperturbed. Events unfold and she find herself in a life and death struggle with the Predator. Friends, family, and lovers die before her eyes. In the end she is miraculously victorious, but she returns to the village broken. There was no glory, only death. She looks at the eyes of the villagers and sees underneath the awe there is fear and a huge gulf between her and them. She is not elevated above the mundane, only set apart. She realizes the warning was true. It is the sacrifice of the warrior to forever be outside, the separation masked by honor and nobility. She is a warrior and it is her duty to fight. She can never go back to the way things were. She can only look upon what she has lost from the distance... and defend it.
I think you are onto something. Her character would have been more believable if being a warrior was thrust upon her. Did she somehow transform into a great warrior? No, but she did transform just enough to win.
It seems you missed the entire point. She was never trying to be a warrior. Wanted to hunt instead of gather. She had some rudimentary skills but ultimately wasn’t good enough to become a hunter. When she had her chance, she couldn’t stay focused. She literally learns her skills are in tracking and trapping. She only fights the predator when it’s blind. They can’t see without their helmets. Her arc wasn’t to become a warrior. It was to learn she’s capable of using her wits to hunt. What you described, is a bog standard been there done that a million times movie.
@@lustrazor44 Good point R4R. Let me rephrase...Her character would have been more believable if being a hunter was thrust upon her. Subsequently she used her hunting skills not to transform into a great warrior but to transform just enough to win. REPLY
She ran off and ditched her mates in literally every fight. So much for wanting to be the badass hunter, failing to get stuck in and back up her friends
I am shocked to see the critical drinker say this was surprisingly good, this was nothing more than hot woke Hollywood garbage to me, I gave it a one out of 10
12:47 this is why Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor will forever be perfect examples of badass female character done right, both were scared shitless of their antagonist and left changed women, but still were able to get shit done
The predator brawled a brown bear and overpowered it with strength, but was yanked away on a rope by a skinny human. I guess that means she was stronger than a bear.
Lol! It not that much different than Danny Glover physically destroying the predator. 😅 Most horror films or action films for that matter have contradictions.
A good campfire scene would have gone a long way to fleshing out the characters. Show them sitting around the fire joking, talking about past experiences or interacting with her. We would have gotten a feel for who they were and thus would have been more affected when they fought and died. The chopper ride in the first movie did that for us and they missed that opportunity here.
You’re 100% right, although I only managed to watch the first half of the film if that, what character development that was was very poor and consisted of the usual young girl being scorned for having ideas above her station. She failed at absolutely everything until she made the magic axe? And the Braves looked like Ladyboys. But they didn’t want to develop the characters realistically, they gave us 21st century political views instead of 18th century Comanche culture. 10 bears from the outlaw Josie Wales was a real Comanche brave, if you haven’t seen the scene from the movie it’s on UA-cam and gives you a better idea of Comanche customs, and it’s a 3 to 4 minute scene. Sorry about the long reply, but in a nutshell I agree with you completely. Stay safe👍
Every second movie nowadays is a “masterpiece”. It just goes to show how meaningless that word has become. Also, although the title of the video says the film is surprisingly good… Drinker’s review of it really makes it sound mediocre. Like talking about lacklustre character, bad dialogue and being emotionally manipulative instead of properly well developed. It just sounds like generic modern sludge. Pretty pictures with lacklustre writing.
The film staring a teenage girl and having her be better than everyone else and defeats the Predator is what kills the film for me. It's not a Predator film.
Have you watched the movie? I don’t think you should form an opinion on a movie just from the drinkers review. It works well as a predator movie and it is good by those standards.
The ending to this really threw me off, she literally turns into Neo from The Matrix and completely kicks the shit out of this huge Predator that's effortlessly mowed through an army of heavily armed men with ease. I heard nothing but praise for this film, including from Nate at Mr H reviews who I usually trust and once again, I was really disappointed with it. It's better then The predator or AVP2 but I'd have it behind every other Predator film. I also thought some of the effects were really cheap looking, the bear, The lion and the Wolf looked fake as fuck. I've seen quite a few reviews on here claiming it's better than the original which is fucking laughable, it's NO WHERE NEAR as good as Predator 1, not even remotely close.
This was woke garbage. I don’t know what the critical drinker saw or what he was thinking, I hope he is not turning to the Darkside? Lol…. This was nothing but hot woke garbage!
I do agree with you on one thing. True strength doesn't come from never being afraid at all or never showing weakness. It's about overcoming challenges in spite of your fear and weaknesses and that's what's truly inspiring.
They already explained the 1715 pistol in the comics. It belonged to a pirate captain who was enough of a chad that the Predator wanted to hunt him, but his men mutinied after he refused to let them steal from a church. The Predator pulled a "Nobody kills him but me" and started killing the mutineers with him. The last of them shot the captain, and it says a lot that his crew thought he was such a badass that they shot him and not the seven foot invisible monster, and the Predator took his pistol to honour him rather than as a trophy.
This is the whole movie lore vs comic lore debate. Ultimately, the film plots take priority over comic lore for things like Predator and here is why. Predator was a movie made in 1987 when I was a kid. The target audience was people like my dad. The 1st comic came out in 1989 and was targeted to kids like me. In 1990, the second movie came out and was targeted back to people like my dad who never read the comics. This is the juxtaposition that franchises find themselves in when they have meandering ownership. Hell even the old Star Wars Extended Universe had 6 different levels of canon, which is why Disney decided to just start over.
It had its moments but couldn't resist the third act nonsense and gifting the MC superpowers and suddenly making the Predator (who during the film managed to break a bear's neck with a single punch) far less deadly.
They do that in the original movie as well. Arnold is getting man handled but predator is just playing with his food. They dispatch everyone and everything with efficiency but the main character has plot armor. But it doesn't pay off well here because it was poorly written.
@@sebastiansuazo2734 Sorry boys, I missed the part in the first movie where Arnold masks his body heat with a magical flower and then dive bombs off of tree branches like some sort of Spider-Monkey-Neo only to land right on the Predator and then proceed to do moves on the monster that would make Rey Mysterio proud. Because that scene happens in Prey. In the first movie Dutch barely escapes the Predator with his life before accidentally mudding up and living to fight another day. He then has to use stealth, traps, and luck to stand a chance, and even then the Predator has his number. And let's not forget, that's only after the beast decides to fight fair without weapons in an honorable last battle. There's no such exchange in Prey. She outfights, out manoeuvres, and out weapons the predator at its own game, even turning its own tools against it. Hell, the new Predator is even invisible for the vast majority of the final encounter. And she does all these amazing moves on a leg that 30 minutes prior was locked in a bear trap... like... she shouldn't be walking let alone flying out of trees like Chow Yun Fat. To compare those two final stand offs, and assert them as the same thing, makes me wonder if you lads have seen either film or have eyes at all.
Her brother was a much more interesting character. He actually believed in her. I think a better ending would have been for them to have taken down the predator together, even if he got mortally wounded and didn't make it back for the final tribe scene (which was silly) My other concern is what happened with the predator's technology. How long it would be before one of those old Comanche dudes accidentally called the predator's ship out of orbit and turned things around on the white man?
@@SuperMurray2009 Agreed. He brings up feeling the loss of all the characters from the first film, but non of those characters were as impactful as her brother. They were just strong dudes with quips and gimmick weapons. The brother in Prey was 10X more of a loss than any character in the original. That being said.... the original is still #1, but this easily takes the second spot.
I think I’m passing on this film, even if we can pretend that The Predator never happened (I think it may still be canon unfortunately unless they hopefully retconned it) I’m not really sold on how they treat the Predator in this film that by all accounts sounds like Jason Voorhees from space who keeps bumbling into traps. Me I’m perfectly fine with just Predator One and Two, also they already did have a backstory for that pistol years ago in a Dark Horse comic and it was actually interesting with a Pirate Captain giving it to the Predator right before he died after the Hunter was denied an honourable duel against the man by a mutiny survivor.
The predator is actually the best part of this movie. They show early that this one is particularly desperate for some savage fights. It might be because of his clan or his particular breed but he does remain consistent. He doesn't really bumble into traps as he has one focus in a fight which is to drive forward and over power his enemy. I'd say it's for sure worth the watch and you might be surprised by it. The trailers and clips are very bad at showing the story as is.
the predator is smart in this one man, but u will see that he definitely knows he is OP so its kinda like he plays with his food until he gets outsmarted much like the first two movies give it a chance, at least to the grizzly vs predator scene 👌🏻
The predator is a rookie, a new blood if you will, his desperation for savage fights to prove is worth is what ended up getting the best of him, dont ve so pessimistic and give it a try at least and do not let your own judgement be clouded by a youtuber has to say about it
Naru's character feels so hollow because it's like the screenplay was filtered through a feminist approval algorithm. She's not allowed to display any sort of obligation to those around her. She doesn't take lovers. She doesn't even mourn her brother. Her quest is one of pure recognition. She wants to be seen as a man of the tribe, which stands out in a period piece because it's an entirely modern preoccupation. The journey of this movie is essentially to get people to call Naru by her chosen pronouns. It feels woke to people because it's suffused with the narcissism of the 21st century social media age, and not 18th century Comanche culture.
especially everyone seen better movie years ago, plus it was big dude Arnold having hard time, no way this 100 pound piece of shit would of survived, movie is BS
Comanche, of course. Ever notice that when somebody claims to have Indian blood it's always romantic-sounding tribes like Comanche, Apache, or Cherokee? No one ever claims to be part Nooksack, Ho-Chunk, or Flathead...
From what I heard, there is a comic book that shows where the Predators got the pistol and it was actually a Predator meets pirates story with the Predator and a badass pirate captain fighting back to back against pirates' mutiny against the captain. As far as I'm concerned, that's more canon than Predators handing out flintlock pistols like candy to anyone who's ever won against them.
I have no ideas about guns. Back in the day, I thought it was a Cowboy s' gun and he got it from a Cowboy protagonist. Somehow the Predator respected the cowboy that went up against other men and it with its gun and hurt one of the Predators from it's clan or Clan leader itself.
Yes. You can watch the whole dark horse comic on UA-cam. I digitally scanned all the panels and uploaded it back in 2013 on my old channel. I highly recommend anyone check it out as that story is far superior than this movie’s
@@Impulset0 Yes they usually take trophies, but in the comics the Predator got the pistol from the captain as a gift, because the captain was fatally wounded in the battle against his former crew. In this movie it seems like the Predators have a stash of pistols and they're handing it out to anyone who ever beat them: first the Comanche, then Harrigan. Either that or some Predators come back post credits and obliterate the Comanche to take back the pistol trophy.
At the end of the original Predator, Dutch was on the helicopter being flown out, the sole survivor of his crew and of the alien monster encounter he barely survived. He had that thousand yard stare on his face, just a blank look because he was traumatized by his experience. Shell shock. Operational exhaustion. PTSD. You know, whatever they call it these days. Even the prisoner Anna was in such shock she couldn't even speak after first encountering it. All she could muster was the jungle came alive and took him. But no, this little girl handled the bear attack and the death of her Indian pals and the introduction of savage Europeans wastefully destroying buffalo and burning down their forest and guns and fighting an alien monster... all without a scratch... and she handled it all just fine, without so much as a twitch in her eye when it was finally all over. Just another day on the prairie. 🙄
They even said in predator 2 that he died of a heart attack due to PTSD from the encounter, obviously this was an excuse for Arnold not being in the movie but it still stresses the point that what he went through is traumatic.
Honorable mention is Predator 2's Danny Glover character who throughout the movie would take zero shit and have a comeback ready for anyone who comes his way just to look stoic after his encounter with the Predator. Government agent gave him attitude but he didn't even have the energy to reply. Just stiff arm him and look into his eyes with the expression "I don't have time for this." He only smiled after looking at the pistol given to him that was proof of his accomplishment and him avenging his comrades. A smile to lift his spirit to keep fighting through even more obstacles, not one to boast in the middle of his accomplishment. He has to keep fighting for the ones who were lost. That if they(the predators) come back that he would be ready for them. I seriously don't know why Predator 2 gets so much flack as it's a classic. Yes it's got that 80s syndrome of crazy out of context one liners but it's pretty tame and doesn't marginalize the Predator's threat level like the other movies do. It being in the city gave it that Bull in a China shop feeling. Basically unstoppable
this is hollywood admitting what we all know. on one hand say something, on the other, show something else. these are psychological operations, designed to split a child's mind. To exist in a state of self-contradiction. Why would they do that? Because that's what marxists do. They poison the minds of the youth through any and all psychological means. In the age of Instant Information and Communication, the only way to ensure obedience and compliance to state messaging is to make the obedient not know up from down, man from woman, good from evil. Creating an environment that relentlessly and viciously attacks ANYONE who strays off the message is a necessity to uphold the social disintegration. dumb people don't know any better but everyone else... they know what happens if they stray so the campaign moves forward, the idiots get louder, everyone else gets quieter.
I think the Dog was amazing. It didn't talk, it obeyed orders and even was loyal and did as commanded without questions or trying to steal the show and damn was he good at attacking the predator. Surprisingly good.
The reason why it's getting such great reviews is that we are inundated with bad Marvel and Netflix movies. Folks have forgotten what a good action flick is. But to be fair I thought Prey was quite solid (even though it has some flaws like bad CGI, they showed the predator too early, and some of the Indians behaved/spoke a bit too modern)
I think they showed they predator early because the producers knew, the audience knew everything about the predator already……. Or maybe because it’s settled in the 1700’s, they wanted to keep the audience intrigued rather than it being boring 🤷🏻♂️. Idk
@@Joker.9.9.9 LOL, it has some other good qualities that I didn't bother explaining that make it solid lol, I like the period setting, design of the feral predator, and quite liked the Predator's interaction with predators such as the snake, wolf and bear. I personally would have preferred if the Predator won though.
How hard is it to cast the some of the biggest action stars of today with Cavill, The Rock, Hemsworth and Chris Pratt vs a Predator but we cant have nice things today as Hollywood hates 'toxic masculinity!'
@@ComicGladiator I’m not I’m being honest do are you really ok with any predators death?😂They all die in super ass ways I want to see a movie where they win cause we should never beat them it’s kinda dumb
@@ComicGladiator they're not wrong lol. The last film a fucking 12 foot tall predator got his ass beat by people far far smaller than Arnold, a kid with autism and a brain dead dog. What made it worse was the main lead was able to tackle the predator off the cliff but fugitive couldn't do shit. How about we don't get a A list actor to fight the predator since studio is too scared to have them killed off brutally
“Predators” is one of my all time favorite movies. It’s straight 🔥🔥🔥. I actually liked Prey too. It ain’t Citizen Kane, but not even Citizen Kane is Citizen Kane.
"Why don't men want to let me hunt with them?!" Fails to hunt a deer. Fails to hunt a rabbit. Fails to hunt a lion, needs to be rescued by her brother. Fails to hunt/hurt/defend herself from a bear by making her bowstring wet after scolding a male hunter about this, needs to be rescued by Predator. Fails to shoot the Predator while he's cutting her brother to pieces. #fuckpatriarchy
@@leadmetalproductions I can only summ it up with yesterdays conversation... Me: "It was bad...but...yeah...it wasn't THAT bad" Friend: "Yeah? Name one great thing about this movie" Me: " Well.... *cricked sounds*"
The bigger question is: Why are all men "toxic" towards a young and attractive female protagonist? Because she is constantly talking back maybe? Because she always wants to have the last word? Because she knows everything better and is resistant to feedback? Because she has an unbearable attitude almost all the time? I do not know, but usually you would think that in a tribe of approx. 40 members, all men would try to keep their options open and be nice to attractive women ...
Yeah but the Predator roared in agony off in the distance before she drove that spear though that fucking American CGI cave lions stupid I cant hunt for shit skull
That's largely an issue with the Rotten Tomatoes format. New movies generally rate really high or really low when they first premier, then their score normalizes to a more accurate rating over time.
@@OperatorKain its also because there arent many reviews for the old movie. If you look at the site, there are only 55 reviews for the original movie, while there are over 200 for Prey.
The brother was great, I would have preferred to see him make it to the final confrontation because it would have made the challenge to the Predator more believable. Also I would have rather they hid amongst fires rather than pretending a flower could make them cold-blooded. Overall I enjoyed it, but would have preferred to not actually see the Predator until the bear sequence. It's annoying because there's only a few changes that needed to be made to turn it into a relatively strong film. Didn't mind the CGI as I assumed it was relatively low budget but why did they redesign the predators face so radically?
@@reninparker9822 Not that it matters. These were the most skeptical non spiritual Natives ever. She litterally said it was 'like' a creature from myth and their response? "Hur hur, you're hunting a monster from a children's story!?" That, among many other things... is why this movie was utter shit, and event eh Drinker's expectations are so low that he gives it a passing recommendation. It's not recommendation worthy.
I wasn’t really a fan of the look of this Predator, but I can accept it as possibly being “regional” features, in the same way people from different regions of Earth differ in appearance.
lets believe a flower can do that... whats unbelievable its how fast it works. what kind of digestive systems they had? i mean.. the moment anyone chewed on it.. they instantly turned cold. tf?
I'm so glad Drinker pointed out the WW1 battlefield because when I watched this movie with my dad and brother, we all joked about it being Verdun in 1719. And can we talk about the awful draw stances of the characters in this film with their bows?? No one draws a bowstring like that. It'd hurt your arm so much.
They were clearly making that bow draw a feature. You know, diversity. What really wound me up was one Patriarchal Male Comanche who kept wrapping his index finger over the shaft. Do you _want_ to get fletching embedded in your hand? Because that's how you _get_ fletchings embedded in your hand.
It's the same way that elf draws his bow in the rings of power trailer. This is gonna be the bow equivalent of that whole spinning-with-swords or reverse grip nonsense. Overchoreographing is a disease of our time
@@anti-rioter-15 Yes, it was a pirate pistol. If both comicbook and Prey are canon, that means that one pistol end up in predator hands then returning to humans 3 different times. Screw it, make this pistol the next predator protagonist. Its 300 years saga with predators. At least it would be a innovative concept to have a movie from the point of view of a gun.
The best part of the whole movie was when the brother fought the Predator. Spoiler talk below. He was so confident in himself that he was whooping around on his horse and just dodging the Predator firing his bolts at him. Spears the Predator and proceeds to use a bow in close combat, taking arrows already fired into the Predator to inflict new wounds. Talk about a fucking badass fighter. The Predator got so frustrated it literally goes back to camo mode because "fuck I'm losing!" Then the movie decides we've had enough of this cool male character and the brother decides to do a 20 second monologue instead of get out of the way of the stealthy branch snapping Predator behind him?! X_x
Yes that was the worse part of the movie for me. The brother was completely kicking it's ass on his own one minute the next he's like well that's enough ass kicking for me because I'm a male and not the star of the movie so I'll just die now.
It's good in its own way. Predator starts as an action movie with strong men killing and blowing stuff up with powerful weapons to show they are invincible. But in the second half, it's a horror movie where they're suddenly vulnerable in a mysterious environment. The Predator is hunting the men. Also, remember in Predator, Dutch only put up a decent fight when he used sticks and vines. Prey is different because the main characters have a natural understanding of the land. That's an important advantage the woman has. She still thinks she's looking for a bear or lion. It's almost as if the Predator is the guest.
im about halfway through the movie to where the French trappers have them tied to a tree. The only gripe really was when they went to bring her home and she was full on fighting them with punches and stuff....i get that theyre trying to show she's not a submissive female and she can hunt just as good as the rest of them but it just came off with a strange vibe. i have questions about the Predator himself but ill see if those questions are answered later. overall its been a pretty good movie - a bit slow in the beginning though.
You know I would like to believe that, but when you don't even teach your actors how to shoot a bow ( you can learn how comanche gripped their bows and arrows from one google search) and you almost kill your main lead in the first half because she stupidly falls in a mud pit, it seemed to me like an arrogant child with knowladge of few herbs and tracking got everyone killed in pursuit of her gender equality. Mixing modern non-problems with tribes of native americans feels so forced and stupid, just like all of this movie.
“It’s the basic inverse of depictions of native Americans in old movies”. And that’s exactly why the white people were depicted the way they were. Naru doesn’t do enough training to explain her description as “a skilled warrior” that was plastered all over the plot synopses. The Comanche tribe had distinct male and female roles and her shit wouldn’t have been tolerated.
she doesnt do training cuz women werent included in any kind of hunting or warrior training for the Comanche especially after 1600 when the spaniards introduced them to horse riding. but lets say... getting self taught (altho extremely dangerous cuz that means you are always alone training) as a hunter... to track, to shoot arrows, to use her hatchet etc... mostly on immobile targets (tree trunks) lets just say thats "believable" altho she always kept failing to actually kill anything till she connected that rope to her hatchet and killed 3-4 rabbits. how did she get self taught as a warrior? thats insane.
If someone like her had tried hunting and going to war with the men then she would have gone from preparing a Comanche dinner to becoming a Karankawa dinner. Pretty much immediately.
One of the challenges of having a female protagonist in a film like this is that it is hard to damage the character. If a creature that can pick up a bear lands a blow on a 120 pound female then she is dead. At least it would stretch my suspension of disbelief. Even glancing blows would be devastating.
yeah, considering if we take an MMA Male fighter VS some girl like the main character, the damage would be unbearable and this is human on human, here we have a f*cking Predator vs some girl and she can stand her grand...f*ck off film
@@artrosear yeah but they aren't scared to injure men. Think of Naruto or Ichigo. They get beat up repeatedly but they win fights (and periodically lose) because they don't quit and look tankier than 100lbs women.
A movie in 2022 with a female protagonist that we see fail several times, have to learn from others, and ultimately fight along-side a male in order to win. The movie deserves some of the hype based on that alone. They actually brought us a character who we got to see develop and grow. And with respect to the French, c’mon dude, are we supposed to portray them as likeable? Everybody hates the French 😂
Exactly! I don't get this video. I agree with everything you said. He didn't mention how well the male characters were portrayed. It's as if the critical drinker was judging this film by the other mistakes of different movies and ìnstead of it's own merit.
Yeh I didn't get that one. Dillon loses an arm, do chicks want emancipation or not? What they could have done is give this girl the same "protection" the South American girl in Predator had: remain unarmed and therefore left alone by the alien for as long as she didn't carry a bow or axe. They could also have considered poison to kill. Also I don't get the impression there's blood and gore shown that contributes as well to a sense of horror as the first did. The skinned bodies, the gallons of blood...Predator showed a massacre that actually impressed.
Yeah, the one line from this review that didn't land with me. In this day and age, who *doesn't* want to see an on-screen female character get horribly injured?
The ending drove me nuts. The logic leaps, conveniences and perfect timing moments that came together to give a 100 pound girl an easy win against a 700 pound predator was eye roll inducing
What I don't get is they could literally copy the first movie. Lure the predator in for the kill only to be taken out by a trap. The Predator showed all through the movie he was greedy for kills, yet they somehow were scared to show her actually THINK instead of girlboss.
Are you surprised as I am of the critical drinkers title saying that this was surprisingly good? Because this was one of the worst, most wokest movies of the year for me, I thought it was absolutely terrible
@@willw3736 - I feel Drinker's standards have dropped after being exposed to too many bad films. Like he's becoming desperate to find something good, so he settles for mediocre and says "well compared to worse stuff it's not so bad".
Yet here is drinker defending it. Honestly I think that convention he went to had some fun private party rooms and this review marks the beginning of his indoctrination into the message.
The solution to the gun was given at the end credits. They show the native american story with 3 more ships coming to earth after the events of the movie. So yes it doesn't end well for the tribe. Guess more Yuti came wondering what happened and also they are wanting to leave an advance ship around Personally I have always wanted to see a space marine from Aliens vs predator movie.
Too be fair, the predators seem to respect individuals strong enough to win a duel with one of them. They may have left the tribe alive out of respect. We are never really told how that goes.
@@Jesses001 100% this is how it SHOULD be. Who knows how it will actually play out. There are masters of the hunt predators, the one who gave the cop the gun in P2 was such a master of the hunt. Another master of the hunt showed up at the end of the one in Antarctica, and gave her a weapon as well after he seen she was 'blooded' by killing an alien and her face marked. In the comics that pistol was taken off of a pirate captain whose crew turned against him.
I like the concept of encounters with Predators in the past. I think a good idea would be a WW1 or WW2 setting. Especially WW1 could offer some decent claustrophobia with the trenches. While WW2 could be a nice premise of some american soldiers and some german soldiers having to team up in order to stay alive while being hunted by the Predator as their own units were previously ambushed.
You don’t need predator for that. It happened in real life on the eastern front, the Austrian-Hungarians and the Russians joined forced and fought against hundreds of starved wolves
I want to see a cross over. Imagine a predator flying into a worm hole and coming out fighting Turok the dinosaur hunter. Where Turok is hunting the predator not the other way around.
11:14 - That's a freakin Mary Sue in my book! This movie was sucha an anti-male pro feminist flick thru and thru! What MANY people don't realize is she is in fact responsible for killing all her men in this movie! She's specifically told by her bro not to venture off onto the hills or whatever but she clearly cockily disobeys - she then encounters the bear and quicksand. Afterwards her men appear coz they said they have to bring her back but then they die so that's on her... and eventually her bro too and all she says later is 'You all think I can't hunt?!" - not even a moment to mourn her bro who sacrificed himself for her! She's definitely a narcissist!! Many people either don't see this or even flat out deny it!
Watched this over the weekend with my wife who isn’t big into any sort of sci-fi stuff. Her best comment for the movie was at the end where she said “so she wasn’t able to kill a single animal the entire movie but kill the big alien??” Cracked me up
I am wondering if they were just trying to highlight the point that it wasn't about the hunt or going toe-to-toe, but rather finding a way to survive like her mother had said.
Remember when stakes were high in the original film? When you felt empathetic towards the anxiety of Dutch and his team? Guess we'll never have that again even if it's possible to write stories that way.
So you said you didnt know what happened with the burnt up trees. Well, the trappers burned the place up so the predator couldn't use the trees to travel (which didnt help them in the end anyway). Also the ash would give away its position, since it would stick to it. Thats why the predator's cloak stopped working. And i just love how the movie didnt spell that out for you.
I went to Yellowstone years and years after their bad fires and it looked like this, maybe a few sprouts here and there. This was very accurate to what a forest fire does, vegetation comes back very very slowly. I didn't even think it was fresh because in my mind it looks like that for a while. To them it was the best way to hunt the predator, it makes it so he can't hide in the trees but still gives cover for an ambush.
To be honest they should have said it, because it wasn't too obvious in the film. It should have gave the men a huge advantage, yet they were still slaughtered by the Predator very easily
@@tamas9554 i understand, i noticed that detail on my second viewing, but thats what makes second viewings so much better! Being able to find small details like these keeps me intrigued 😀
One thing for sure - it worked, and they caught the predator - they just didn't know how strong and prepared it was. Sadly, we are supposed to believe the 110lbs. girl was the only one who could defeat it. Another push for women, today. Ridiculous.
'Strong female characters' who are small in stature often seem to break the immersion for me because, Since they either: Have no chance in a real physical battle (which breaks immersion and makes me go 'pfft') or must possess some kind of magical power (which often is not written into the story at all and makes me go 'pfft').
The entire point of the first Predator film is that physical strength and big guns isn't what leads to them beating the predator, all the muscular 80s action heroes got massacred, only the ones smart enough to use their enviroment to their advantage and learn about their enemy survived
>> That's the line they should have used. >> The problem with this is that the Yautja looks like a Wendigo- allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/wendigo-art.jpg Which, while more common among the tribes of the Northeast, was one of a pantheon of demonic, ghostly and cruelly Predatory supernatural creatures known widely to the Native American cultures. They have four or five definitions of big foot for instance. They all have (tall, skinny, smells bad) traits shared by the Yautja and the first nations were _terrified_ of them. Which would make sense for a creature whose inviso suit is seemingly coated in /fire/ when it switches off and whose other abilities might well look like magic to a culture which had only recently seen steel and firearms. Yet the Comanche are not so much 'unimpressed' as _incognizant_ of what they just saw and what it means as part of their shamanistic world view. Not 'Oh darn, it's hot again...' but 'Oh dear...the gods hate us, we're screwed.'. The original movie suffered from this problem too, only in reverse: Special Forces know what a tree sniper is. They use the technique themselves, to extend line of sight on distant targets and provide a genuine look down (tree stand) ability on targets which are 'waking' through the bush. We faced them all the time in the Pacific Island campaign, against the Japanese firing through multicanopy jungle. And again vs. the NVA/VC in Vietnam. Yet Dutch and his team can't seem to figure this out, from wound impact angles, even though the technique has also been used, by the likes of Roger's Rangers, since the French And Indian Wars, pre 1776. The natives should have panicked, because the Yautja tech would have looked like magic and it's appearance as well as ability to mimic voices would have matched a particular, 'evil spirit', definition. The SOF should have acted against the Yautja's arboreal tactics, sooner, as just another operator.
"To make you hate the French hunters they used every trick in the book" Nothing makes someone dirtier or more unlikeable than being French, they didn't need to go that far
My biggest complaint with it was that twice the Predator seemed to forget how its own helmet and targeting system worked whilst a 17th century native American who technologically speaking were still living in the stone age, not only understood it but managed to use it against the Predator 🤦♂️
The Predator always gets beat on a technicality, can't no human beat that thing for real, bruh was wrestling with a 1200 pound grizzly bear then military pressed that bitch, but it's believable Arnold and Brody beat a stronger way more advanced version cause they covered themselves in mud 🤣
Well the shot only "seeks" when the helmet is active, and he didn't have it before the fight. It would be a wild assumption that some primitive species set up your helmet to use against you in a fight. Made sense to me.
@@hemmydall were talking about native Americans who hadnt even mastered metal. That kind of technology would be like pure magic to them, yet she sees it being used once and understands it perfectly. Even better than the creature with said technology seemingly as twice in the film it fires its projectiles without the mask and misses due to the system still kicking in. Made the Predator look extremely stupid and inept with its own weapons whilst also ridiculous that a native American still using stone in their axes could even begin to wrap their head around such technology.
I just wanna say that I actually really liked her brother! He should have been the main/co-main character. The final battle should have been a tag team vs the pred like they did earlier in the film.
Indeed, he was everything that she pretended to be, and more besides. It's not cockiness if you _are_ great at what you do. But the plot needed to gender-swap the actual physically competent character, so that's what we got.
I’ll admit it, I was surprised how much better the film was than I was expecting, but the reviews from “critics” citing it a masterpiece and the best film to the franchise since the first one, just baffled me - it really wasn’t that good. The ending and final battle scene killed me, Naru was jumping around all over the place likes she Skorpion or something
Hey great material like always, just one thing. When it comes to the burned forest it was done on purpose by the trappers to make Predator visible.(it is just a small piece of the land in the valley that they wanted to use as a trap for him). We can see that his camouflage equipment is malfunctioning. I have no clue how they knew that it would work, but maybe they were just taking their chances. That is my opinion.
Traditionally, you do stuff like throw flour or ashes onto invisible things, or you look for footprints that betray the invisibility/stealth. (For example, in the Book of Daniel, in the story of "Bel and the Dragon.") So burning a forest area to catch something sneaky is within the realm of contemporary ideas.
I don't think they understood that he was actually invisible due to his tech. They assumed he was just really good at hiding in the terrain and decided to eliminate whatever cover he had available to him. That is why the initial lookouts were out in the open when he came upon them. They assumed he used the forest to hide. It glitching his equipment just turned out to be an unexpected bonus.
@@Dilligff In the hands of competent writers the Predator's technology would be magic to the trappers... Who might not be superstitious but wouldn't have many other mental "hooks" on which to hang shoulder mounted blaster cannon, glowing blood, and active camouflage. So I agree with you, they probably weren't attacking his tech so much as attacking what they thought he was hiding in. All of which is irrelevant. Hollywood is dead to me. I'm not watching another movie in the theater for the foreseeable future and I won't pay for the ones I DO watch. I'm tired of the woke bullshit and being lectured about my gender and race by bigoted, misandrist, racists.
I finally tried watching this move and couldn’t make it past 20 minutes. Boring characters with stale wooden acting and dialogue.. it was much more fun to just imagine the predator wiping out that whole useless tribe in one brutal scene staring with the dog.
A year late but The fact that you didn't make it 20 minutes in isn't the movie's fault lol 20 minutes really isn't that long. I bet you went into that saying "this movie is gonna suck," before you knew for sure, and then just ran with it lol
The funny thing is even at the end of the first film Dutch only wins basically by chance. He escapes, and only just barely. Even with all his attempts at fighting back on a primal level and his cunning in setting a smart trap the predator actually is as/more cunning. It spots the trap and moves to avoid it. It shows an impressive level of caution even when enjoying the dominating hand up to that moment. It's only by chance that as moving around the placement of the spikes that it walks directly under the counter weight and gives Dutch the extremely remote chance to drop it on him. If not for the predator walking through that one square meter of space under the suspended log that Dutch gets to drop on it, Dutch is getting his ticket punched about 5 seconds later. Because that was Dutch's last trick and it didn't actually work. Dutch eventually, arguably, matched the predator as a hunter. But he never came remotely close to out-fighting it. He got his ass whooped. And Dutch's cunning in setting the trap was matched by the cunning of the predator in noticing and avoiding the trap's intended kill zone. Dutch didn't win. He escaped. And only through an ultimate moment of incredibly good fortune.
And this is why it was such a good film. The Predator was doing it for fun, it wasn’t doing it for survival; it was for a laugh. It could have killed then all straight off the bat if it had to.
@@Ares-dn3qp No it was doing it because it's a young blood. it's been sent there to prove itself and was over confident and inexperienced compared to the older predators
@@genises200 nowhere in the film does it suggest that. It’s fairly obvious that it handicaps itself to make the hunt more interesting. There’s entire scenes to it disarm itself to prolong the fight, it knows exactly what it was doing.
Great review! Killing 5 Frenchmen in their own camp looks quite unrealistic indeed. You forget to mention though that she has the physical strength to rip out a Predator's tooth with one bare hand. Not a bad skill for a teenage girl! :-D
For the critical drinker to say this is surprisingly good is shocking, I thought this was complete garbage, hot woke garbage! I cannot believe he thought it was OK/good
I was looking forward to seeing the critical drinker‘s review of this movie, shocked that he thought it was OK, absolutely shocked…. This was more Hollywood woke garbage
SPOILERS! The final moments with our protagonist perfectly demonstrates Hollywood's (any many viewers') warped idea of what a good character is when said character is a woman. After being pushed to her limit, losing her brother, and watching a sizeable portion of her tribe's hunters and warriors die, she is named War Cheif and has a big smile on her face whilst everyone cheers for her. In Predator, after being pushed to his limit, losing his entire team, and a good friend of his outside of said team, Dutch's final moments on screen are him sitting there physically exhausted, mentally scarred by how many friends of his were killed right in front of him, and probably already riddled with survivor's guilt.
I honestly do not understand why so many critics are praising this film for its character development.
Because they're broken souls as well, happy to trample others on their way to the top. This Wahmen was honestly unlikeable. She was only slightly bothered by her brothers death, and couldn't care less about the others.
I'm not watching it, but they made her a Chief? Ye gods, that is stupid. A tribe taking that many loses is doomed. They will be absorbed into another tribe.
Very well-put.
Smiling while stepping over your friends' corpses in order to achieve your dream? That's what progress looks like, my friend.
@@chrislutz416 'well since you got everyone else killed, I guess you get to hold the special stick'
This is the kind of movie that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago but is considered decent now because of how far our standards have fallen
So true
@Russ Ingram What are you on about?
The life of pi, Lorax, Django Unchained, 21 jump street, the dictator, men in black 3, skyfall, the pirates, Jack Reacher, all released in 2012
Half of these aren't even great movies, yet better than the shit we get nowdays. 2012 alone had more good movies than the past 3 years combined lol
Because woke.
The outrage mob makes taking risks too risky. Before all you were risking was just making a movie that audiences weren't interested in, or just wasn't that good. Now you're risking being unpersoned if you don't walk the line.
You clowns are so drunk on calling everything woke or anti-woke, you can't even see straight anymore. This movie would have been considered good at any time, because it was a genuinely solid and fun movie. I'm sorry if you can't see a female protagonist anymore without your juvenile politics coming into play. If it was some big burly male who did the EXACT SAME THINGS you'd be praising the movie without complaint. This was a stripped down, bare-bones Predator film that obliterates the last few entries in the franchise.
This movie would have been amazing if she told her dog at the final fight to “get the chopper” when referring to her axe.
Very good.
That would have been idiotic. Every other reference in this was subtle and made sense.
@@darkphoenix2 come on bud take the joke
@@PattyOflan88 I'd take it if it was a good joke
@@darkphoenix2 Yes them getting the gun from the second movie was very subtle even tho this means the predator's came back and killed all of them is very subtle
The reason the trees are burnt in the French trappers scene is a nod to the original movie, when the Predator steals Blaine's body and Arnold says it's using the trees. The French trappers seemingly have figured it out and burn all the trees in the area they are trying to trap the predator.
But he uses the burnt stumps in the movie as jumping pads so, didn't work, like at all?
I thought it was to make a clearing in which he could less easily hide.
Comanche and French trappers together? That is an odd hookup.
@@acwojtkowiak SPOILERS!
They weren't "together" (I assume you mean as in "working together.") The French trappers used them as bait.
@@ObscurusAnimus he was just too strong, or I guess they didn't think he could do that.
Yeah I think the trappers clued in on some of the attributes of the predator and intentionally burned the forest to create an environment that defeated the camo
LOL. "In the end, Dutch was a traumatized man, probably resolved to never visit a jungle again."
In fact, that was Arnold Schwarzenegger's real story from doing Predator. He said it was the most miserable experience of his whole life because of the environmental conditions and would never return to the franchise again.
Dutch always has a plan but he just needs money
...GET TO DA CHOPPA!
Funny enough Dutch is still alive in the extended lore and hunting the predators, the closest you will see a return of his character is in the predator video game.
@@hi12345613 That game is surprisingly fun with the right group.
Really!?!?!?!? That's awesome. I love Arnie Wiki.
This review just made me realise how good the original predator was. With every new film that comes out I just have so much more appreciation for the oldies.
I'd daresay some of what would be considered B action movies from the oldies would be superior than the utter shite that is churned out these days. Baack in the days when they didn't need to worry about *the message*
@@AvoidTheCadaver Some? I'd argue 'most' is more appropriate. Those movies were made as pure entertainment, not to push agenda and 'The Message'. I'd rather watch every action movie from 90s (for Nth time :) than any of the modern garbage.
@@lazyman7505 exactly, Until we all quit watching this woke garbage nothing will change, until we turn the channel and start watching all shows made before Wokeness nothing but change, don’t watch new movies until Hollywood learns it’s lesson, this movie was nothing more than woke garbage
More people from the younger generation needs to understand this. Most young kids my age don't care about old films cuz they're old. They like bad movies if they have pretty people in it. And it's not helped by ''the message'' which they carefully ignore even though they make the films pretty hard to swallow.
My point is respect the past and improve.
How freaking good was the writing on the first one?
"As each one died, you felt the hole they left".
That sir, is an amazing way to describe it, and I never considered it that way. In Predator, as each soldier died it felt more hopeless and... empty. Color stripped away from a painting that was whole with all members on stage.
Excellent job, Drinker.
To quote something I saw downvoted on reddit:
The first movie is a deconstruction of masculinity. The best of the best, and absolute physical specimens of humanity go to war with guerrillas and annihilate them. Their (Hollywood) fieldcraft and combat make them indestructable Gods of war....
And this draws the attention of a bigger fish. The Predator shrugs off their firepower, picks apart their numerical advantage, desecrates their dead, and rattles their nerves. The only way Arnold Schwarzenegger survives is because he accidentally stumbles upon camouflage to stop the beast seeing him, then resorts to primative, caveman tactics to overcome the Predator. Even then it is not enough, and they are finally put on equal footing.
The Hunter acknowledges his prey, and they lock horns in a deadly 1 vs 1. Arnold, the biggest man in Hollywood is outclassed. Even when his final trap is employed, the Predator outfoxes it, and is only killed by the log used as leverage to the original trap.
By the end, Arnold Schwarzenegger is borderline dead. He has PTSD, lost all of his friends and comrades, and sombre music plays.
There's a 101 errors tactically with the movie:
Why do they only discuss their backup plan / reinforcements whilst en route?
Why wouldn't Dillon mention Jim Hopper and his men?
Why does Billy, a professional soldier, go all "grampy bone be feelin' dis" at nothing?
When they attack the enemy encampment, there's no plan for how to egress if things go bad.
When Mac says he found the other hostage, and he's dead too, could it be from the fact Arnie's men blew up the whole village without seeing which building the hostage was inside?
Arnie says "Find me a way out of this hole" to Billy. They should have had an extraction plan prior to the attack, or even prior to landing.
How do they know the first chopper was taken out by a heat seeker? How can you tell the guidance system on a SAM / RPG explosion by looking at shrapnel for a few seconds? Maybe it was radar guided.
And so on and so on.... (I have lots more)
But Predator had heart, soul, and a novel concept. It will always be in my top 3 movies.
Prey wasn't a bad movie, but it was nothing to write home about. Frankly I found the predator more stupid, and the tactics to bring it down less impressive. People have no problem with women heroes, and to this day, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are benchmarks for feminine prowess. It's just they happened to be amazing characters as well as females.
By all means give us a female native American killer (even if she's half Thai/Chinese), but I don't think you're telling a story that is relevant to the Predator experience, which is over-reliance on technology, and the idea of a super power being wiped out by a less sophisticated enemy. The first movie is a very good analogy to the Vietnam War. This was just someone's female wish fulfilment.
Can't have a hole when your ego is as big as modern day feminist's. That's why Naru smiles at the end of the movie.
Meanwhile as each savage died, I laughed harder and harder. By the end I was doing a rain dance of my own
I'd much rather watch Nausicaa, a classic example of a great female protagonist, than watch again this perfect example of Disney Style modern day female empowerment.
And they told it all visually. You see their weapons and appearance and instantly could tell the unique role they played. You knew who was the scout, the heavy gunner, the comms. Each loss meant one less major friend and asset gone till Dutch had nothing left but himself.
I think it’s odd you didn’t mention the native American in the original Predator. He was the first to realize. “There’s something out there waiting for us, and it ain’t no man.”
That guy was a bad ass
As far as I remember, she was presented as a generic "Latino" guerilla (insurgent) fighter (although we know that the film was shot in the jungles of Mexico, the exact location is not specified in the film, and the impression expressed by moviegoers is that the action took place somewhere in South American Colombia, being about insurgents and guerilla wars. But, anyway, she was not presented as a Native American, nor did she give that impression.
@@szaboattila844 That's not who the comment was about!
@@szaboattila844 The comment was about Billy
@@milesnicholas5973 just goes to show you how people aren’t legit Predator fans
The predator took a massive amount of punishment in this film. Dude was a freaking tank.
Everybody badass till they get shot in the face!
I personally liked it, the predators seemed like massive femboys without their masks, weaker than a toddler.
It makes sense he'd be stronger even without a mask, hence the name Predator.
The idea for the Predator is not to take damage and do nothing, like some of those "fat bosses" from 90's videogames and movies. The idea is to avoid damage, and yet end up outmatched by a superior combatant, who can adapt.
@@lollllolll. I really liked the movie, you can see the effort they put into it. Everything makes sense, is connected etc. Also, predators that hunt humans are actually low tier predators, thats why he has low grade weaponry... but yeah, they are tanks as fuck. What I liked most about the movie is that he would never die by brute forcing him, he got played in the end, and thats how he lost...
@@fernandoi8958 I disagree with the last part, she almost brute forced him and probably should have tbh, she jumped on and beat the predator, sliced its arm off and practically strangled it with rope and lead it into a bog, the movie ends with the predator killing itself but there really was no need, she might as well have walked over and punched it to death at that point, she completely outclassed the predator physically (fucking somehow)
I hope the actor who played her brother shows up in a lot more. I really enjoyed his role and performance personally. And I'm pretty sure this was his first role.
I agree. He should have been the main character
But this guy showed too much "toxic masculinity" of course he had to be slain early doors for the Mary Sue Matrix gymnastics alien killer to flourish 😂😂😂😂💩
I agree. He really cared about the sister, but also showed her/told the reasons why she previously failed. Furthermore, he had the humility to tell her how she had actually helped him (through her own failure of falling out of the tree) that she had set everything up correctly for him to beat the lion. I found her to be a good fighter and quick thinker, but by no means a match for even a "low level" Predator. And, no one seems to mention the funky herbs she used to make her heat signature disappear. I cry BS there!
But overall, you gotta admit the tag team between the brother and sister to fight The Predator along with the dog is pretty good and they have a good choreography fight. I wish he survived in the end.
I really wish he was the main character. Seeing him fight the predator was wicked. Gave me some serious Turok vibes. He actually brought her back before going after the lion whereas she doesn't even try to get his body back after killing the Predator.
Actually the film could have gone in the direction of brother + sister together defeating the predator. It was even highlighted in the film that their skills have a good synergy. It would bring something new to the table at least.
Her brother almost killed it alone
If that spear would be few centimeters to the center of predator it would Pierce his heart
And yes I would love seeing both of them fighting predator at the end. His experience and her ingenuity. We also have to remember our alien boy was so filled with wounds at the end he was dizzy, tech he used to close his wounds and start up healing would help but he still lost a lot and I mean a lot of blood
I mean it went back to the lion hunt how she injured it but didn’t kill it. Then with Predator Her brother fucked it up to the point it was weak then she finished it off.
But they needed their 'new Ripley'. Or grown up Newt. Lazy writing.
Yeah that would have been better.
right? Her brother is actually good at hunting and combat, she's good at strategy and cunning. Her plan is solid but the second the predator had her by the neck she shoulda been dead af. I mean shit it picked up a fucking bear earlier but she survives getting slammed into the ground by her neck? lol okay.
I felt like she was more in danger sinking in that mud then she was fighting the actual predator
That scene was dumb, it's obvious to you she doesn't die since it's an awkward death do the main character and it was only at the first half of the movie. So essentially you knew it is foreshadowing...
Film was pathetic with a 5 ft 5 female who weighs about 7 stone fighting a beast of a predator. Embarrassing and politically correct nonsense
She has the power of Woke Feminist writers.
@@hectichazerdus She uses speed and agility to dodge his hits and get jabs at him rather than pure strenght, so I don't mind that.
yea pretty much lol but it was good overall
One of the things that makes the original so awesome is you get to see Dutch, and his company operate as combat seasoned soldiers before the predator is ever revealed. So much so that I've always considered it to be a 2-part movie that starts as a military action movie, and ends as an action/horror movie. The director wants you to know just how good the team is so when you see how easily the predator kills them off it really drives home the fact that he is a complete badass as well.
They have to adapt to survive, and use methods outside of brute force, and heavy weaponry. The Yautja is far different from anything they've ever faced, and has weapons that puts them at an instant disadvantage. Dutch ends up relying on counter-insurgency techniques, and obfuscation to avoid direct contact with the Yautja because he knows he's simply outsized, and outmatched in a one on one brawl. You even get the sense that even after he wins he's so beat to shit that he doesn't actually feel like he won. More like he barely survived.
Only failing was that they didn't show that big ass Indian take it on with a knife. That would have been awesome, especially given that he's a better character (played by a better actor) than Schwarzenegger.
AND they had enough juice to insert a perfectly valid post-Watergate government secrecy angle with Carl Weathers’ character without glomming up the film!
Yeah, and they were affected by laws of physics... you know such as gravity and stuff, unlike her she probably realized that this is actually matrix.
Predator is a perfect example in how to handle and demonstrate power-scaling.
This is the problem with most of the sequels...they miss what made the original so good.
The "Predator Format" goes:
1) Establish the indisputable badassedness of the prey
2) Have your Predator eliminate the most badass of badasses like they are nothing
with 1 being the most important part. Even "Predators (2010)" which is the best of the post Predator 2 crap is maybe a 6.5 because they don't understand the format responsible for the success of the original.
I literally almost spat my drink out when he said, "She fucks it up and gets injured."
No way. A woman actually messing something up in a Hollywood movie, actually demonstrating some weakness and vulnerability and maybe some room for growth? Color me genuinely shocked, and give them a tiny gold star sticker for that one.
Ok now I HAVE to watch it because it's not everyday in the writers room that they would write a screen like that.
don't worry, as drinker and other people pointed out, the ending still doesn't make any sense
Yeah but then later when her brother explains what happened, he says that basically she DID defeat the Lion with her plan but she was just unconscious so he finished it off and took the credit for her work. Shocking...
Her ankle heals in record time for her to engage in parkour.
she fucks up and gets fucked up multiple times in this movie
"It's all based of this simple minded fallacy that the absence of fear or weakness is what makes a person strong. It doesn't. it's a person's ability to overcome their flaws and fears and weaknesses that makes them a stronger character." Fucking take that to the bank.
You want a gold star? 🤣
@Good Teaching there is a huge difference between overcoming fears and them to never have existed at all. It seems like you're going out of your way to make an argument and not doing a very good job of it.
That does not work on feminist heroes. They are amazing and great in every possible way so they dont have any fears or weaknesses.
@Good Teaching It seems like you're hinging on a very narrow view of semantics to make your point. So I went ahead and went on Marrianm Webster to check this. It doesn't say anything about it being once present. The second definition is just straight up "not existing." So, the very specific definition you're trying to fit that word into isn't even right.
Even if you were right, which again you're not, but if you were. What would you be trying to prove by tearing down an entire statement by devolving it down to the linguistics of a specific word? This is stuff poets do, which is fine in their specific setting, but this is the UA-cam comment section.
@Good Teaching Overcoming your fears is not losing them.
It´s knowing them but not let them stop you from doing what needs to be done.
Absence of fear is also called stupidity. Because you have to be an idiot to not be afraid.
This makes me wish I could have watched this movie on accident without knowing it was a Predator movie. How mind blowing would that bear reveal scene be if you were a fan, but had no idea it was coming!?
As someone who loves nature and watches documentaries, that bear scene was just unwatchable for me. That's not how bears behave. They aren't mindless killing machines. Wild animals are extremely risk averse and don't just mindlessly attack. And if a bear does come at you it's not going to be growling, it's going to be very calm as it tears you apart, you'll just hear snorting and breathing as it eats you.
@@sup9542 That was the sad part of the movie. Really unrealistic. Humans really aren't on any wild animal's internally programmed meals. They tend to avoid humans like the plague.
@Sup That bear saw an easy 100 lb snack. Winter is coming! Need fat! Why wouldn't it attack? Although, early in the fight, that bear did fuck up the predator. Nicely done Mr. Yogi.
@@sup9542 idk I feel like the bear scene was believable enough but any real lone wolf would have fled from the predator rather than charging at it.
@@sup9542it’s a movie with a fictional alien, what did you expect?
You know the industry is in dire straits when 'not as bad as I thought' is considered a masterpiece because everything else recently has been that awful.
lol 100% agree
Valid point.
"it's not as shit as the last one! 10/10!"
When the bar has been set so low, raising it just a tiny bit seems a masterpiece by comparison.
It’s why a mediocre looking woman looks hot next to a bunch of fat, ugly women.
@@DuggyDarko last one was shit indeed
They repeatedly violated "Show don't tell", explaining obvious clues that would normally reward the audience for their attention. "He's the one who killed the buffalo", "He can't see me if I eat these flowers", "That's what makes me dangerous".
I did enjoy elements of it, but 93% on Rotten Tomatoes?? Maybe they grade on a curve...
What’s worse is that studio execs will take this as a sign that strong generic female protags are great and worth investing in.
They grade on race
No
That's exactly what it is: grading on a curve. Our bar of expectations has been set so low that okay movies receive high praise for not being completely terrible.
@@jackroyaltea5034 it seems like that's what they've been trying to do for years
"I've told her a thousand times never train by yourself, all it does is engrain your mistakes" - Vesemir master of the school of the wolf and apparently toxic male
Doesn’t that kinda make sense though? Like training by yourself would make you blind to your own mistakes? Would be easier to learn watching someone else learning with you.
Vesimir was a boss
@@Jummugest yeah that was my point dude it's this new thing the kids are doing called "sarcasm" maybe you've heard of it?
To a certain extent you can. If you are shooting a bow and fail to hit the target, clearly something needs to be improved. Now, it may develop bad habits that can inhibit future growth, but learning on your own some is certainly possible
@@Jummugest I think training by yourself isn't that bad. But relying too much on it is.
If you compare this movie to Apocalypto, directed by Mel Gibson, you see that Mel Gibson puts huge attention to character development, ambiance, and COMMON SENSE. He gives true reasons for fear because of the motives that drive even the villains. Apocalypto does not have aliens, but for some reason, you care so much about all characters, and every death is pure loss, and sadness.
Indigenous stories can be very attractive, but need another level of sensibility and immersion to create a bond with the audience. Prey does not give it, its shallow beauty and some lost gore. But anyway, great analysis Drinker!
Mel Gibson is a massively underrated director.
Yes. Part of what a makes a great movie, is to make you feel like you are in the situation with them. When a movie doesn't create that, it is a lost movie for me, no matter how beautiful or expensive it may be.
Character wise Apocalypto is pretty great. Just don't mention historical accuracy.
@@Ep123C yes it’s not historically accurate, but still a good sample of a culture that few directors or people care about. At least at the entertainment industry, few really care to tell a good story about South America…. But I agree about historical accuracy being important.
Don't remember whether this movie was good or not, but this comment gives out a sigh of relief it wasn't shit
"The film is tolerable because of how little they talk, which limits the amount of cringe they can be made to say" is a hell of a review 😂
Ha
That is true. They should have made the whole movie in Native American language (or whatever the Comanche are speaking) instead of switching back and fourth to English for no reason.
@@vdochev But then people would have to actually watch the movie instead of turning it on and doing something else.
@@vdochev you do know their is an option in the setting to set it full un Comanche and subtitles in English. Y’all not even knowing this say’s a lot about y’all.
The little amount that they do talk is what I hated the most about the movie. Not that I wanted more of it at all. But I hated the way they spoke. I felt like they made no attempt to dial back the mannerisms and attitude of 21st century English. The brother talked like a gym bro who just finished listening to the latest Rick Ross album.
No I wasn't expecting them to speak more like Native Americans, but less like they just left Starbucks and were too busy posting selfies on Instagram
One of the things I really respect about you Drinker is that you can go into a movie with preconceived notion’s but still have enough of an open mind to get past them and give an honest review. Must be why you have such a big following! Cheers Drinker!
exactly bro
Nah! It's just that he is funny as hell.
The predator is a brutal alien enemy the toughest warriors of her tribe could never quite even scratch. It was very exhilarating when she found the key to defeating this enemy, the plot armour.
totally is plot armor if Arnold had hard time years ago, no way this 100 pound little thing would of had a chance, fuck this movie and fuck hollywood
My thought is that it could have been a completely depressing movie where the main character gets killed trying to take on such a monstrous entity. Might’ve made it more realistic and dramatic. But I think the pricks at Disney might’ve had something to do with the character.
i think the predator should win one of these movies.
@@JewTube001 he should’ve won this movie
This Rookie Pred got literally arrowed, speared in the foot and then again through back by the brother, and shot by frenchmen before it even fought the girl. The Comanches rocked his shit more than Dutch and his boys back in the jungle.
when in need of a weapon someone should have shouted "get to the chopper!" and then pointed to a large axe in a tree stump!🤣
The. Best. Comment. Ever. *Mic Drop* xD
Laughing so hard, this scene needs to be in the next movie!
Yeah, like hype of the axe as the best one around, accidentally created as an ever-sharp and well balanced tool, that saved it's owner's life against not one, but two bears (dropping a tree on them which tree got 'chopped' partially and prepared before as part of a desperate attempt to a trap), and then their heads were taken by the same axe, and thus earned it's legendary status, and even got the name "The Chopper"...The name and legend reveal should be done close after the "Get to the Chopper!" line! Even asked the owner in disbelief about the ridiculous name: "Chopper?" where the owner tells it's legend. Only downside would be, that most of them would see the joke/homage miles away if the name was dropped too early. Maybe most part of the story about the the Legendary Axe could be told but cut in half before the name drops, by the battle-cry of the Predator, and when they are safe, the name of the axe would be explained: "Yeah, I even gave it the name, 'Chopper.'" And the other character would be like: Foolish old man...
or sumthin'. The joke/homage could work out very well, IF written really good and in a clever way. :-p
What's a chopper? I think that's what everyone else in the movie would have said.
Two things that really bugged me beyond what you mentioned:
1) Tying a rope to a throwing weapon, will completely affect how it operates, can't wait to see what Shad has to say about this!
2) Preddie can easily Overhead Press a fucking bear, he later hits Naru in the head twice with the equivalent of a manhole cover...
I'm a fairly beefy boy at 115kg if I hit her in the head she'd be out cold, give me a blunt force weapon and she's not waking up. So how the fuck does she survive that, unscathed?
But as you stated Drinker much less worse than expected.
Same way she got caught in a bear trap and didn't get her leg snapped like a twig. Mary sue plot armor.
i hope no-one tries her "attach a rope to an axe" style of fighting in real life - because ppl are gonna lose legs - what a ridiculous scene. Imagine watching that as you edit the film and thinking, "yup, that makes sense, that would work, and its totally badass!" Just NO - all the types of NO
I have been fighting all week about this very point... good luck my friend... and I agree 100%
"Much less worse" you mean better?
@@jesterssketchbook The part that annoys me is... use a fucking spear, if you want to have something act like a harpoon, USE A FUCKING HARPOON.
It would have made more sense if most of the hunters went missing never returning from their hunts. Now you have the problem of an entire tribe losing men/hunters. Thus being faced with starvation, it would make sense for her to have a strong desire to abandon her traditional role in the tribe.
Know what is funny? In the og predator it is said that the predator comes during hot years to hunt men. They could have had this movie go for a while and show the men in the village or tribe be killed during months, tuss accomplishing her desire to hunt and maybe even avenge her family.
That would've been a really good motivator, and the push needed for her to be open to new ideas just for the sake of the tribe and the mother's words of "It's about survival".
Oh yeah, that tribe is done for, its blatantly obvious they won't survive.
Yah that actually sounds like an amazing story. Because it doesn't shove the ideals of certain people today on our ancestors.
This is actually a sick plot! It would have made it more intense and things on the line 🤙🏼
On the "no women hunting thing," that was, at least to my knowledge, not exactly forbidden as it was just not a thing, as the women had their work cut out for them at camp and were genuinely needed to do those tasks while the braves went out hunting or to war.
Yup and even women going to war a couple of times in their life wasn't rare either. Usually it was done for revenge if a family member or husband was killed.
Right but the reality is was men were disposable. You couldn't send women in masses or you're sacrificing the future of your tribe. Without someone to bear children there's no future. Men are akin to worker bees protecting the queen. I know modern feminism hates historic women's roles but women on average are just better at care-taking roles and from an evolutionary stand point it makes sense.
One of my favorite movies is Alien. Ripley never used physical strength to overpower the xenomorph because that would make no sense. In Aliens she became a caretaker/savior for a small girl. Hollywood has this stupid idea that putting women in as lead roles just means you stick them in as placeholder for what a man would do.
I also can't get over how not-muscular she is. After training that hard, and gaining what you need to become a hunter, she would look way different.
after 1600 when the comanche turned into bloodthirsty warriors that was indeed a thing for the comanche tribe. only boys were hunters and warriors and they were trained for it while riding a horse since they were children. Women were just that, gatherers , cooks , cleaning the skins off of animals caught and doing witchcraft-medicine.
@ 100lbs and 5'5 is more then enough to handle a 800lb and 7ft predator right?
where did we go so wrong that with all of our advancements in filmmaking we still cant make something better then a movie made in 1987
Oh, that's easy. Movies stopped being about entertainment and became vehicles for fashionable sociopolitical ideology.
because you're nostalgic. nothing more.
if you don't see the strengths of 100s of modern films, you either don't watch movies anymore or your taste in them stunted in the mid 90s.
@@aaroncostello8812 you mean like all movies have been to an extent in some time or another?
you don't watch movies. you watch other people talk about them.
@@walter4180 Really? Says the guy who is watching and commenting on a video made by other people talking about movies? If you are going to be a hypocrite at least try to be subtle about it. 🤡🤡
@@aaroncostello8812 I do both. That's the difference lol
The girl stepped into the steel bear trap and later on the predator also got his ankle whacked. It must have been made in China because it did not affect either of them. Or ankles were much tougher back then.
So in defence of this for the predator in the film, he is shown healing his wounds in a way that this wouldn't be an issue earlier in the film. When he applies the healing you see the wound healing almost immediately. As for the protagonist, the entire finale starts to have issues including this, or when it is the predator can or cannot see her. A lot of the issues like the lack of predator vision establishing how he could see her again, how he didn't notice her when she ambushed him etc, really feel more like they ran out of budget though (as it was clearly shot on a smaller budget) rather then just oversights.
And the dog's tail was fine after a bit of ginger rub.
Cheap traps! She had this little scratch lol
delicate female ankles slipped through the huge gaps in the teeth and offscreen healing herbs , DUH
those aren’t bear traps 🤣🤦🏾♂️ those traps or for small game or coyotes/foxes. A bear trap would’ve instantly cut her leg off. Also it’s a movie dude it showed her putting some medicine on it and it wasn’t that deep of a wound. You want her to be limping the whole movie or die from sepsis for the sake of keeping it “realistic”
The thought of a team of Predators rolling up to the Comanche village and just wiping them immediately after the credits is darkly hilarious that the writers didn't think of that angle
They show it happening in the credits, more predator ships showing up
This needs a post-credits scene where the waltz into the village, charging up their plasma casters.
Perhaps it's like what should have been the ending of Hobbit-Desolation of Smaug, but was instead being put into 5 Armies. The massacre that would make that plot point make sense, sadly happens in the first 5 minutes of the sequel. That would certainly subvert expectations. I don't know what happens to the main character, perhaps she survives, since the gun indicates a respect of her warrior ability? (Haven't watched film)
maybe you should've watched the credits
LMAO
The writers forgot this took place in the 1700s, literally no one was afraid of the predator or the tech he used. Goes invisible, no one is suprised.
That was my main complaint as well, I mean they should flee in terror seeing this monstrosity. No one was ever remotely scared of him lmao. It was a decent movie, but yeah loads of inconsistencies.
Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said in the title he thought it was surprisingly good? I thought this was nothing more than hot woke garbage
There's a moment where the brother sees it disappear and screams "You're a cheater", that made me smile.
@@CapybaraConnoisseur89 Well for them it would be like yet another spirit they believed in, you either afraid of them or not, but all the scary shit he's doin- well he's a magical horrible demon, what would you expect.
I am SHOCKED, basically the critical drinker‘s review is saying that he thought it was woke as can be BUT that it was OK….wait what??? Are you effing kidding me? A movie that’s woke is garbage in my eyes, and I thought the critical drinker was the same way….but I guess not…. Please wake up critical drinker!, if it’s woke it’s hot garbage, nothing more
I wonder if this tribe were the distant ancestors of the Native American soldier in the first movie. If i remember right, he was even thinking about " demons from the legends ", at least in the book version.
Danny was great character even though he hardly said a word in the movie, it's just different league to this feminist nonsense, great idea ruined by Disney's social engineering.
Wow! I would say this is a fan theory in the making.
I feel when a new movie is almost immediately showered with praise, it's coming from fans having what I call Mike Wazowski syndrome - they're way too happy anything new from their favorite franchise comes out that they're [at least momentarily] blind to any flaws.
Like The Force Awakens? 😂
That doesn’t make sense lol fans will be the first to hate something and make it known.
Like Halloween Kills, Jurassic World, etc.
@@TheHorrorShark Say what you want about Jurassic World but leave Halloween Kills out of it.
The Predator SHOT HIMSELF like an idiot...
How is this any good?
This, as always, comes down to those behind the camera. The scriptwriters. Back in Arnies' day, they were the cream of the crop. Had been mentored by the best and knew how to captivate an audience and tell a story. Today, it's painting by numbers or stealing ideas from the past. There is very little originality. The only movies now that seem to stand out from the rest are the ones that refuse to follow that path.
i wish more people would realize that writers today suck. you're right, they're scooped by the bucket and mixed with other terrible writers.. then that bucket is splashed over a canvas and producers expect it to look like art. just pitiful.
Aren’t you shocked to see the critical drinker‘s title saying that this was surprisingly good? This was one of the worst movies I’ve seen all year, woke Hollywood garbage, nothing more
Arnies Predator, Director John McTierman, was his 2nd movie, writer Jim Thomas, was his first movie, John Thomas was his first movie. They also wrote, Wild wild west, so to say cream of the crop. They had an original idea and made a good movie but because they were cream of the crop. (McTierman did go on with Die Hard and Hunt for Red October.)
The movie was never good; it was just mediocre.
@@Astares9 I genuinely would like to know WHERE these writers come from. I've read fan-fiction FAR better than the scripts of modern movies/TV shows/comics.
I assumed that when it was suddenly looking "post apocalyptical" as you say, that the French colonists had burned all the trees in the area around and put them in the middle as bait. Assumedly so it couldn't sneak in high up in the trees as it did a lot in the first part of the movie.
But then it bounces around on the trees 2 minutes after it
@@paulie.walnuts2838 that is true....so it was all for effect lol
@@jimmi114 in a way it worked. The fire they set allowed them to capture the predator and battle it. Worked out better than in a full lush forest. Of course they lost but still lol
@@jimmi114 if they didnt burn the tree... the ash wouldnt damage his cloaking... they had to somehow make him visible for a fight and thats what they came up with. lmao.
@@reignmans hadn't thought of that....they even make a nod to it. When the pred walks into the field its cloaking is clearly useless and it turns it off.
That dog was the real hero of the movie 🐶
You forgot to mention that the freaking dog was the best character in the movie. What a champ.
YES YES. The movie should have been dog vs predator. Shout out to that doggo 🐶
"Air Bud vs Predator," yup now *there's* a film.
I was honestly so scared through the whole movie that the good boy would be killed in the movie. Thank god he didn't.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 Turner and Hooch... and THE PREDATOR
The dog was unrealistic. Should have been a pit that ripped off the predator's face, and then when Mary Sue goes to pet it, it latches on to her arm and shakes, mortally wounding her.
I never felt she was in trouble because every time the Predator got his hands on her he threw her around rather than doing what it did to everyone else.
Honestly they have a tendency of doing this to the heroes of every one of the movies. Dutch was tossed around for a while himself.
Because the predator has an honour code to not kill something it doesn't deem can fight back then learns yeah bitch can fuck me up. I dunno I'm not defending sloppy writing though people need to write better believable characters with actual arcs
Exactly, but why? Cuz it knows he's not supposed to stick a woman for it's a metaphor for rape? Woke by Disney. Haha
@@scottricci5063 The predator did the same thing to Dutch, it could have ripped him apart, instead, it was knocking him around.
@@voidtempering8700 aware. Still.
To me, this is like Black Panther all over again. The movie is just passable (unlike say, Lady Ghosbusters) and it carries the right "message", therefore the critics go absolutely crazy as if it was a masterpiece. If you replace the main actress by a native guy, the Tomatometer drops below 70%.
I actually wouldn't have minded if Dakota Beavers had been the lead. I really thought he had good screen presence, and was a little disappointed he wasn't used more.
@@msscott22 Dakota Beavers is legitimately a porn star name. In fact, porn stars would consider it too on the nose.
@@ComicGladiator lol yea, it totally is.
Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said he thought this was woke but good? If it’s woke it’s BAD…I thought he was on board with this but I guess not, when did woke equal surprisingly good? Absolutely incredible, this movie was hot woke garbage
Wakanda Forever is coming
It’s the fact they picked the scrawniest girl to play the role of a warrior women. She wouldn’t even be able to pull the axe out of a tree like she does.
What made John Wick's introduction one of the most badass protagonist intros is that he and his achievements are spoken of by other characters with reverence like he was some mythical creature or deity. That set him up perfectly as a certified, no nonsense badass.
Imagine if John Wick said: "I am a man of focus and sheer will and I have been sent to kill the Boogeyman" he would've sounded like a cringey teenager in CW shows trying really hard to act tough, grown up and mature.
Even more amazing is John Wick actually gets hurt and clearly isn't some unbeatable guy. So he does get a lot of... terrible injuries.
@@remingtonsteele9431 True
on the one hand i agree with this, but in a recent video criticising the new she-hulk series, CD said that other characters pointing out her 'awesomeness' was a flaw in storytelling. too much show and no tell. in this sense the john wick way of introduction is a flaw. I think there is a double standard here. I keep wondering if anyone would enjoy a character like john wick, flaws and all, if he was female. This is not an accusatory wonder, I am genuinely curious.
@@lilcoffeebandit i get your point but then again the first time we saw Jhon wick, he get beaten and his dog get slaughter that make us symphatise, so when the Mafia boss tell the story about how badass Jhon wick in his past we wanna saw that little guy get killed so so bad. In other hand she-hulk never shown get trouble for what she do, so yeah (sorry about the terrible English)
@@lilcoffeebandit See, if you watch John Wick, you will notice that the movie doesn't actually begin with some homeboys praising him in the first five minutes. It starts with him being beat up, on the brink of death looking at a photo of him and a woman(we don't know it was his wife yet) on his phone. Then, the movie becomes a huge flashback to that moment. This immediately tells you this guy is going to see some action.
And like Yoel said, we actually see him get beat up by home invaders that kill his dog, so before he gets praise from other characters, you secured your audience's will to root for him. This is an extremely important factor in a character's likability.
There are key differences you overlooked in this comparison.
The main issue I had with the film was the end fight with the predator, up until that point the film for the most part portrays her pretty realistically, she fails at taking out a mountain lion, fails at taking out a bear, taking on those french men was a pretty big stretch indeed, but then when it comes to fighting the predator she basically turns into marvel's black widow, she runs rings around the predator, jumps off a 20 foot high tree branch onto its back, yanks its tooth out and stabs the predator with it, pulls it off its feet, survives being choke slammed no problem, it was like watching a super hero movie, the movie could have been much better if they made that fight more realistic.
There are a lot of missed opportunities in action movies, where instead of making the audience more fearful of the enemy and ramping up the suspense, they want to show the good guys doing nifty tricks. At the very least find a good balance between the two.
I disliked the whole thing, but pulling the predators tooth off with one hand? We're talking about a creature that beat a bear to death with its bear hands and she just pulls his tooth off like a lego?
@@cashkrop with it's _bear_ hands? 😉
@@TheRealNormanBates Obviously the Predator grabbed the bear’s paws and began slapping the bear’s face while saying, “Why are you slapping yourself? Why are you slapping yourself?” Because the Predator is so strong though, it actually killed the bear with its bear hands/paws.
AND she got hit with a shield (and received no injuries) not minutes after that same shield had decapitated a guy and cut completely through the tree behind him... duh fuhgh?
Instead of wanting to be a hunter to "Reject society standards" the protagonist should have simply enjoyed joining her brother on hunts. This would make it a real "Fish out of water" story when all hell breaks loose. She now has to deal with this horrific beast by using the skills she learned by following her brother. I think that would be far more compelling and scary.
Great idea but can't do that. Woman learning from a man is big no-no.
training day x predator, she's never had her shit pushed in
Fish out of water? It wasnt a fish out of water story 😂
@@CsRacks she literally learns from them....🤦🏻♂️
@@CsRacks yeah some women would go crazy if they saw that .
I think if they made Naru lose something in the final fight, it would have made up for a lot of the criticisms this movie gets. For example, if the dog died as a sacrifice to kill the predator, or if she lost a limb or something, it would feel much more realistic and like she earned the win. Overall, still really enjoyed the movie.
Well she kind of lost her brother. I mean it was her brother and he was kind of cool. I missed him when he died.
she lost her brother, genius
I mean when she fought him 1v1 at the VERY end. Because it's kinda unrealistic that she alone beats the freaking feral predator with wit alone.
I thought overall it was a pretty cool movie. She did lose her brother though, I would say it made the plot that much sadder.
I think if you want to do an arc for a character like this you start them off with a naïve understanding of what a warrior/hunter is. For her it's all glory and pride, very appealing compared to the mundane expectations the tribe has for her. She's warned that her idea of it and the reality of it are not the same, but she is unperturbed. Events unfold and she find herself in a life and death struggle with the Predator. Friends, family, and lovers die before her eyes. In the end she is miraculously victorious, but she returns to the village broken. There was no glory, only death. She looks at the eyes of the villagers and sees underneath the awe there is fear and a huge gulf between her and them. She is not elevated above the mundane, only set apart. She realizes the warning was true. It is the sacrifice of the warrior to forever be outside, the separation masked by honor and nobility. She is a warrior and it is her duty to fight. She can never go back to the way things were. She can only look upon what she has lost from the distance... and defend it.
She should have known when she saw the traumatized look on her brother's face when he returned with the mountain lion, but didn't see or listen.
I think you are onto something. Her character would have been more believable if being a warrior was thrust upon her. Did she somehow transform into a great warrior? No, but she did transform just enough to win.
@@BruceLinderDPT she wasn’t trying to be a warrior. She was trying to be a hunter.
Did any of you even pay attention to the movie?
It seems you missed the entire point.
She was never trying to be a warrior. Wanted to hunt instead of gather. She had some rudimentary skills but ultimately wasn’t good enough to become a hunter. When she had her chance, she couldn’t stay focused.
She literally learns her skills are in tracking and trapping. She only fights the predator when it’s blind. They can’t see without their helmets.
Her arc wasn’t to become a warrior. It was to learn she’s capable of using her wits to hunt.
What you described, is a bog standard been there done that a million times movie.
@@lustrazor44 Good point R4R. Let me rephrase...Her character would have been more believable if being a hunter was thrust upon her. Subsequently she used her hunting skills not to transform into a great warrior but to transform just enough to win.
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She ran off and ditched her mates in literally every fight. So much for wanting to be the badass hunter, failing to get stuck in and back up her friends
She became a hunter the only way a millennial knows how. to killed everybody else so she was the only hunter left
Lol its called survival.
@@prophecyrat2965 selfish and cowardly is the more accurate term.
I am shocked to see the critical drinker say this was surprisingly good, this was nothing more than hot woke Hollywood garbage to me, I gave it a one out of 10
@@dislike_button33 yea all thise selfishy and cowardly prey that run from predators. Lol dude the movues is called “prey”.
12:47 this is why Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor will forever be perfect examples of badass female character done right, both were scared shitless of their antagonist and left changed women, but still were able to get shit done
Plus man and women helped them without doing the job for them.
nothing but pure facts.
There's also that woman in the AvP
EXACTLY.
@@WingMaster562 Lex is underrated she rocked. Black female without making a big deal.
The predator brawled a brown bear and overpowered it with strength, but was yanked away on a rope by a skinny human. I guess that means she was stronger than a bear.
Lol! It not that much different than Danny Glover physically destroying the predator. 😅 Most horror films or action films for that matter have contradictions.
@@deborahminter6231he never did that, it was glover being thrown around just like dutch
@@garrusvakarian4220 🤣 he still took him out physically in the end.
A good campfire scene would have gone a long way to fleshing out the characters. Show them sitting around the fire joking, talking about past experiences or interacting with her. We would have gotten a feel for who they were and thus would have been more affected when they fought and died. The chopper ride in the first movie did that for us and they missed that opportunity here.
You’re 100% right, although I only managed to watch the first half of the film if that, what character development that was was very poor and consisted of the usual young girl being scorned for having ideas above her station. She failed at absolutely everything until she made the magic axe? And the Braves looked like Ladyboys. But they didn’t want to develop the characters realistically, they gave us 21st century political views instead of 18th century Comanche culture. 10 bears from the outlaw Josie Wales was a real Comanche brave, if you haven’t seen the scene from the movie it’s on UA-cam and gives you a better idea of Comanche customs, and it’s a 3 to 4 minute scene. Sorry about the long reply, but in a nutshell I agree with you completely. Stay safe👍
that might work if the actors were any good and the protagonist was somewhat realistic.. But the only good actors here are the dogs
@@kgbstudio I was going to write that but didn’t, Kudos is to you 😂👍 Be safe
Sounds cliche af
@@kgbstudio yeah bc your movies have grossed how much again? lol...........
Every second movie nowadays is a “masterpiece”. It just goes to show how meaningless that word has become.
Also, although the title of the video says the film is surprisingly good… Drinker’s review of it really makes it sound mediocre. Like talking about lacklustre character, bad dialogue and being emotionally manipulative instead of properly well developed.
It just sounds like generic modern sludge. Pretty pictures with lacklustre writing.
Exactly mate. I just wish they would stop making "superhero" films lol.
See how the prolonged bastardisation works? You've been fed shit for so long that anything that is remotely not-shit becomes "good".
I mean in the case of this movie, I think people say it's a masterpiece simply because we finally got a good Predator movie in a very long ass time
The film staring a teenage girl and having her be better than everyone else and defeats the Predator is what kills the film for me. It's not a Predator film.
Have you watched the movie? I don’t think you should form an opinion on a movie just from the drinkers review. It works well as a predator movie and it is good by those standards.
The ending to this really threw me off, she literally turns into Neo from The Matrix and completely kicks the shit out of this huge Predator that's effortlessly mowed through an army of heavily armed men with ease. I heard nothing but praise for this film, including from Nate at Mr H reviews who I usually trust and once again, I was really disappointed with it. It's better then The predator or AVP2 but I'd have it behind every other Predator film. I also thought some of the effects were really cheap looking, the bear, The lion and the Wolf looked fake as fuck.
I've seen quite a few reviews on here claiming it's better than the original which is fucking laughable, it's NO WHERE NEAR as good as Predator 1, not even remotely close.
Don’t forget that silly looking deer that she and her dog chased on foot.
@@songgut I'm not sure pal, if he did then I've lost all faith in him lol
What about the rabbit that sat around in the background as she rapid fired the tomohawk on a string into a tree just meters away? Ahahahahaha.
Agree! I was thinking this actually pretty good until the last 15 min. Side note: I cared more about the dog than anyone in the movie 😆
This was woke garbage. I don’t know what the critical drinker saw or what he was thinking, I hope he is not turning to the Darkside? Lol…. This was nothing but hot woke garbage!
I do agree with you on one thing. True strength doesn't come from never being afraid at all or never showing weakness. It's about overcoming challenges in spite of your fear and weaknesses and that's what's truly inspiring.
Reminds me of Game of Thrones when Bran asked Ned "Can a man be brave if he's afraid?". And Ned said "That's the only time a man can be brave."
They already explained the 1715 pistol in the comics. It belonged to a pirate captain who was enough of a chad that the Predator wanted to hunt him, but his men mutinied after he refused to let them steal from a church. The Predator pulled a "Nobody kills him but me" and started killing the mutineers with him. The last of them shot the captain, and it says a lot that his crew thought he was such a badass that they shot him and not the seven foot invisible monster, and the Predator took his pistol to honour him rather than as a trophy.
That's a pretty cool origins story. But as far as I know the comics don't matter. Or treat them as some different reality. Just like the AvP movies.
@@vodkavecz what do you mean by, "they don't matter"?
Its all fiction ain't it?
@@vodkavecz what do you mean by, "they don't matter"?
Its all fiction ain't it?
A chadator recognizing a chad…nothing new
This is the whole movie lore vs comic lore debate. Ultimately, the film plots take priority over comic lore for things like Predator and here is why. Predator was a movie made in 1987 when I was a kid. The target audience was people like my dad. The 1st comic came out in 1989 and was targeted to kids like me. In 1990, the second movie came out and was targeted back to people like my dad who never read the comics.
This is the juxtaposition that franchises find themselves in when they have meandering ownership. Hell even the old Star Wars Extended Universe had 6 different levels of canon, which is why Disney decided to just start over.
It had its moments but couldn't resist the third act nonsense and gifting the MC superpowers and suddenly making the Predator (who during the film managed to break a bear's neck with a single punch) far less deadly.
They do that in the original movie as well. Arnold is getting man handled but predator is just playing with his food. They dispatch everyone and everything with efficiency but the main character has plot armor. But it doesn't pay off well here because it was poorly written.
Just like in the first movie??
exactly
@@sebastiansuazo2734 No, not like the first movie. Lord, all these gen z imbeciles, justifying this mediocre movie
@@sebastiansuazo2734 Sorry boys, I missed the part in the first movie where Arnold masks his body heat with a magical flower and then dive bombs off of tree branches like some sort of Spider-Monkey-Neo only to land right on the Predator and then proceed to do moves on the monster that would make Rey Mysterio proud.
Because that scene happens in Prey.
In the first movie Dutch barely escapes the Predator with his life before accidentally mudding up and living to fight another day. He then has to use stealth, traps, and luck to stand a chance, and even then the Predator has his number. And let's not forget, that's only after the beast decides to fight fair without weapons in an honorable last battle.
There's no such exchange in Prey. She outfights, out manoeuvres, and out weapons the predator at its own game, even turning its own tools against it. Hell, the new Predator is even invisible for the vast majority of the final encounter. And she does all these amazing moves on a leg that 30 minutes prior was locked in a bear trap... like... she shouldn't be walking let alone flying out of trees like Chow Yun Fat.
To compare those two final stand offs, and assert them as the same thing, makes me wonder if you lads have seen either film or have eyes at all.
Her brother was a much more interesting character. He actually believed in her. I think a better ending would have been for them to have taken down the predator together, even if he got mortally wounded and didn't make it back for the final tribe scene (which was silly) My other concern is what happened with the predator's technology. How long it would be before one of those old Comanche dudes accidentally called the predator's ship out of orbit and turned things around on the white man?
Yeah I thought it would’ve been better for them to both fight it together.
Yea I liked the movie but the brother never shit on her and then doing it together would have been dope
I don't care what CD says. Prey is officially the best Predator film since the original.
@@SuperMurray2009 Agreed. He brings up feeling the loss of all the characters from the first film, but non of those characters were as impactful as her brother. They were just strong dudes with quips and gimmick weapons. The brother in Prey was 10X more of a loss than any character in the original. That being said.... the original is still #1, but this easily takes the second spot.
@@curtiszinn7756 Facts. I did feel for the characters in this film compared to any other except the original
I think I’m passing on this film, even if we can pretend that The Predator never happened (I think it may still be canon unfortunately unless they hopefully retconned it) I’m not really sold on how they treat the Predator in this film that by all accounts sounds like Jason Voorhees from space who keeps bumbling into traps.
Me I’m perfectly fine with just Predator One and Two, also they already did have a backstory for that pistol years ago in a Dark Horse comic and it was actually interesting with a Pirate Captain giving it to the Predator right before he died after the Hunter was denied an honourable duel against the man by a mutiny survivor.
The pirate story sounds really great! I'll have to find that comic. That would have made a fantastic Predator movie.
Nah i think they handle it well
The predator is actually the best part of this movie. They show early that this one is particularly desperate for some savage fights. It might be because of his clan or his particular breed but he does remain consistent. He doesn't really bumble into traps as he has one focus in a fight which is to drive forward and over power his enemy. I'd say it's for sure worth the watch and you might be surprised by it. The trailers and clips are very bad at showing the story as is.
the predator is smart in this one man, but u will see that he definitely knows he is OP so its kinda like he plays with his food until he gets outsmarted much like the first two movies
give it a chance, at least to the grizzly vs predator scene 👌🏻
The predator is a rookie, a new blood if you will, his desperation for savage fights to prove is worth is what ended up getting the best of him, dont ve so pessimistic and give it a try at least and do not let your own judgement be clouded by a youtuber has to say about it
Naru's character feels so hollow because it's like the screenplay was filtered through a feminist approval algorithm. She's not allowed to display any sort of obligation to those around her. She doesn't take lovers. She doesn't even mourn her brother. Her quest is one of pure recognition. She wants to be seen as a man of the tribe, which stands out in a period piece because it's an entirely modern preoccupation.
The journey of this movie is essentially to get people to call Naru by her chosen pronouns. It feels woke to people because it's suffused with the narcissism of the 21st century social media age, and not 18th century Comanche culture.
Shit did mourn her brother....you need to rewatch the movie
What the entire fuck are u and anyone else in this comment section talkin About😂 y’all thrive off negativity
Dummy
Spot on.
especially everyone seen better movie years ago, plus it was big dude Arnold having hard time, no way this 100 pound piece of shit would of survived, movie is BS
Comanche, of course. Ever notice that when somebody claims to have Indian blood it's always romantic-sounding tribes like Comanche, Apache, or Cherokee? No one ever claims to be part Nooksack, Ho-Chunk, or Flathead...
From what I heard, there is a comic book that shows where the Predators got the pistol and it was actually a Predator meets pirates story with the Predator and a badass pirate captain fighting back to back against pirates' mutiny against the captain. As far as I'm concerned, that's more canon than Predators handing out flintlock pistols like candy to anyone who's ever won against them.
Your comment is confusing. The elder gave harrigan the pistol as a trophy. Predators take trophies.
I have no ideas about guns. Back in the day, I thought it was a Cowboy s' gun and he got it from a Cowboy protagonist.
Somehow the Predator respected the cowboy that went up against other men and it with its gun and hurt one of the Predators from it's clan or Clan leader itself.
@beyond your imagination isn't it implied that this tribe gets wiped put for the predators to have to take the flintlock back?
Yes. You can watch the whole dark horse comic on UA-cam. I digitally scanned all the panels and uploaded it back in 2013 on my old channel. I highly recommend anyone check it out as that story is far superior than this movie’s
@@Impulset0 Yes they usually take trophies, but in the comics the Predator got the pistol from the captain as a gift, because the captain was fatally wounded in the battle against his former crew.
In this movie it seems like the Predators have a stash of pistols and they're handing it out to anyone who ever beat them: first the Comanche, then Harrigan. Either that or some Predators come back post credits and obliterate the Comanche to take back the pistol trophy.
At the end of the original Predator, Dutch was on the helicopter being flown out, the sole survivor of his crew and of the alien monster encounter he barely survived. He had that thousand yard stare on his face, just a blank look because he was traumatized by his experience.
Shell shock. Operational exhaustion. PTSD.
You know, whatever they call it these days.
Even the prisoner Anna was in such shock she couldn't even speak after first encountering it. All she could muster was the jungle came alive and took him.
But no, this little girl handled the bear attack and the death of her Indian pals and the introduction of savage Europeans wastefully destroying buffalo and burning down their forest and guns and fighting an alien monster... all without a scratch... and she handled it all just fine, without so much as a twitch in her eye when it was finally all over.
Just another day on the prairie.
🙄
@boo hoo flag that crap as "unwanted commercial content or spam". Comments like that are all over popular UA-cam content.
They even said in predator 2 that he died of a heart attack due to PTSD from the encounter, obviously this was an excuse for Arnold not being in the movie but it still stresses the point that what he went through is traumatic.
@don't be surprised islam is gay
Apparently we're supposed to think sociopaths are stunning and brave now.
Honorable mention is Predator 2's Danny Glover character who throughout the movie would take zero shit and have a comeback ready for anyone who comes his way just to look stoic after his encounter with the Predator. Government agent gave him attitude but he didn't even have the energy to reply. Just stiff arm him and look into his eyes with the expression "I don't have time for this." He only smiled after looking at the pistol given to him that was proof of his accomplishment and him avenging his comrades. A smile to lift his spirit to keep fighting through even more obstacles, not one to boast in the middle of his accomplishment. He has to keep fighting for the ones who were lost. That if they(the predators) come back that he would be ready for them.
I seriously don't know why Predator 2 gets so much flack as it's a classic. Yes it's got that 80s syndrome of crazy out of context one liners but it's pretty tame and doesn't marginalize the Predator's threat level like the other movies do. It being in the city gave it that Bull in a China shop feeling. Basically unstoppable
I don't know about anyone else but I laughed so hard when she finally realized even the Predator didn't see her as a threat.
It was best when our experienced woman of the land nearly killed herself in a quagmire. **** OFF, film.
this is hollywood admitting what we all know.
on one hand say something, on the other, show something else.
these are psychological operations, designed to split a child's mind. To exist in a state of self-contradiction.
Why would they do that?
Because that's what marxists do.
They poison the minds of the youth through any and all psychological means.
In the age of Instant Information and Communication, the only way to ensure obedience and compliance to state messaging is to make the obedient not know up from down, man from woman, good from evil.
Creating an environment that relentlessly and viciously attacks ANYONE who strays off the message is a necessity to uphold the social disintegration.
dumb people don't know any better
but everyone else... they know what happens if they stray
so the campaign moves forward, the idiots get louder, everyone else gets quieter.
yeah she's the Magical Knowledge Bringer. I guess
No mention of the dog saving the day? The real,hero of the movie
😂 I liked the dog!
I think the Dog was amazing. It didn't talk, it obeyed orders and even was loyal and did as commanded without questions or trying to steal the show and damn was he good at attacking the predator. Surprisingly good.
Hey! Thats how TheCriticalDrinker seems to want female characters to be writen. What a coincidense!
Implausibly good. As was Female Protagonist.
It's a fucking dog, not Al Pacino, get a grip!
@@sanz7820 Spoiler:
And got them all killed, you know since they were concerned about her well being and everything.
The reason why it's getting such great reviews is that we are inundated with bad Marvel and Netflix movies. Folks have forgotten what a good action flick is. But to be fair I thought Prey was quite solid (even though it has some flaws like bad CGI, they showed the predator too early, and some of the Indians behaved/spoke a bit too modern)
How can a movie be solid if he has bad CGI, suspens killed at the beginning, natives that act like they from New York City....?
So so true. Watching old action flicks to the new ones,make you realize how good the old stuff really were.
I think they showed they predator early because the producers knew, the audience knew everything about the predator already……. Or maybe because it’s settled in the 1700’s, they wanted to keep the audience intrigued rather than it being boring 🤷🏻♂️. Idk
@@Joker.9.9.9 LOL, it has some other good qualities that I didn't bother explaining that make it solid lol, I like the period setting, design of the feral predator, and quite liked the Predator's interaction with predators such as the snake, wolf and bear. I personally would have preferred if the Predator won though.
True
How hard is it to cast the some of the biggest action stars of today with Cavill, The Rock, Hemsworth and Chris Pratt vs a Predator
but we cant have nice things today as Hollywood hates 'toxic masculinity!'
But Toxic Masculinity is bad! Don't believe me? Just watch some videos of Brie Larson and she will prove it to you
Every time the predator dies it’s BS just cause she’s a small girl doesn’t make it worse we should legit never with against the predator😂
@@JessYapping Keep gaslighting every response, I'm sure someone will eventually give a crap.
@@ComicGladiator I’m not I’m being honest do are you really ok with any predators death?😂They all die in super ass ways I want to see a movie where they win cause we should never beat them it’s kinda dumb
@@ComicGladiator they're not wrong lol. The last film a fucking 12 foot tall predator got his ass beat by people far far smaller than Arnold, a kid with autism and a brain dead dog. What made it worse was the main lead was able to tackle the predator off the cliff but fugitive couldn't do shit.
How about we don't get a A list actor to fight the predator since studio is too scared to have them killed off brutally
“Predators” is one of my all time favorite movies. It’s straight 🔥🔥🔥. I actually liked Prey too. It ain’t Citizen Kane, but not even Citizen Kane is Citizen Kane.
"Why don't men want to let me hunt with them?!"
Fails to hunt a deer.
Fails to hunt a rabbit.
Fails to hunt a lion, needs to be rescued by her brother.
Fails to hunt/hurt/defend herself from a bear by making her bowstring wet after scolding a male hunter about this, needs to be rescued by Predator.
Fails to shoot the Predator while he's cutting her brother to pieces.
#fuckpatriarchy
yet somehow everyone loves this film
@@leadmetalproductions I can only summ it up with yesterdays conversation...
Me: "It was bad...but...yeah...it wasn't THAT bad"
Friend: "Yeah? Name one great thing about this movie"
Me: " Well.... *cricked sounds*"
The bigger question is: Why are all men "toxic" towards a young and attractive female protagonist? Because she is constantly talking back maybe? Because she always wants to have the last word? Because she knows everything better and is resistant to feedback? Because she has an unbearable attitude almost all the time? I do not know, but usually you would think that in a tribe of approx. 40 members, all men would try to keep their options open and be nice to attractive women ...
Yeah but the Predator roared in agony off in the distance before she drove that spear though that fucking American CGI cave lions stupid I cant hunt for shit skull
I think this is waaay better than the standard mary sue stuff.
Rotten tomato score for Prey is 92. The original Predator is 80. Rotten Tomatoes is really runned by "proffesional" movie critics huh.
If Arnold was a gay male it'd have a score in the 90s.
That's largely an issue with the Rotten Tomatoes format. New movies generally rate really high or really low when they first premier, then their score normalizes to a more accurate rating over time.
I hate life.
@@OperatorKain its also because there arent many reviews for the old movie. If you look at the site, there are only 55 reviews for the original movie, while there are over 200 for Prey.
Lol stay mad
Movie: **Not an absolute burning dumpster fire**
Media: _Masterpiece it is!!👏😤🎉_
That's basically the modern standard, yup. Oh how far we have fallen.
The bar is on the fucking floor
I think people say it's a masterpiece simply because we finally actually got a great new installment Predator movie in a very long time
@@msscott22 tbh the standards were also shit decades ago.
This Predator movie is good.
Not the garbage of The Predator from 2018.
The brother was great, I would have preferred to see him make it to the final confrontation because it would have made the challenge to the Predator more believable. Also I would have rather they hid amongst fires rather than pretending a flower could make them cold-blooded. Overall I enjoyed it, but would have preferred to not actually see the Predator until the bear sequence. It's annoying because there's only a few changes that needed to be made to turn it into a relatively strong film. Didn't mind the CGI as I assumed it was relatively low budget but why did they redesign the predators face so radically?
i think it was to make him look like a wendigo, bc you know, natives
@@reninparker9822 Not that it matters. These were the most skeptical non spiritual Natives ever. She litterally said it was 'like' a creature from myth and their response? "Hur hur, you're hunting a monster from a children's story!?"
That, among many other things... is why this movie was utter shit, and event eh Drinker's expectations are so low that he gives it a passing recommendation. It's not recommendation worthy.
I wasn’t really a fan of the look of this Predator, but I can accept it as possibly being “regional” features, in the same way people from different regions of Earth differ in appearance.
lets believe a flower can do that... whats unbelievable its how fast it works. what kind of digestive systems they had? i mean.. the moment anyone chewed on it.. they instantly turned cold. tf?
@@cmorrow74 Doesn't explain how he can breath without a re-breather on his mask
I'm so glad Drinker pointed out the WW1 battlefield because when I watched this movie with my dad and brother, we all joked about it being Verdun in 1719.
And can we talk about the awful draw stances of the characters in this film with their bows?? No one draws a bowstring like that. It'd hurt your arm so much.
They were clearly making that bow draw a feature. You know, diversity. What really wound me up was one Patriarchal Male Comanche who kept wrapping his index finger over the shaft. Do you _want_ to get fletching embedded in your hand? Because that's how you _get_ fletchings embedded in your hand.
I thought the burnt out wasteland was from the Trappers burning down part of the forest to flush the animals out.
It's the same way that elf draws his bow in the rings of power trailer. This is gonna be the bow equivalent of that whole spinning-with-swords or reverse grip nonsense. Overchoreographing is a disease of our time
There is a comic book that explains the origin story of the pistol from predator 2.
@@anti-rioter-15 Yes, it was a pirate pistol. If both comicbook and Prey are canon, that means that one pistol end up in predator hands then returning to humans 3 different times. Screw it, make this pistol the next predator protagonist. Its 300 years saga with predators. At least it would be a innovative concept to have a movie from the point of view of a gun.
The best part of the whole movie was when the brother fought the Predator. Spoiler talk below.
He was so confident in himself that he was whooping around on his horse and just dodging the Predator firing his bolts at him. Spears the Predator and proceeds to use a bow in close combat, taking arrows already fired into the Predator to inflict new wounds. Talk about a fucking badass fighter. The Predator got so frustrated it literally goes back to camo mode because "fuck I'm losing!" Then the movie decides we've had enough of this cool male character and the brother decides to do a 20 second monologue instead of get out of the way of the stealthy branch snapping Predator behind him?! X_x
lol I almost feel guilty for it but I found the brother much more interesting and likeable
@@caspar_gomez very true
@@caspar_gomez I think the film would've been better if the brother and sister were co-leads who relied on one another to survive.
Yes that was the worse part of the movie for me. The brother was completely kicking it's ass on his own one minute the next he's like well that's enough ass kicking for me because I'm a male and not the star of the movie so I'll just die now.
@@OlDirtyBaron agreed they should have done a training day/fury road type set up. Shit gets real and rookie has to step up
It's good in its own way. Predator starts as an action movie with strong men killing and blowing stuff up with powerful weapons to show they are invincible. But in the second half, it's a horror movie where they're suddenly vulnerable in a mysterious environment. The Predator is hunting the men. Also, remember in Predator, Dutch only put up a decent fight when he used sticks and vines. Prey is different because the main characters have a natural understanding of the land. That's an important advantage the woman has. She still thinks she's looking for a bear or lion. It's almost as if the Predator is the guest.
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im about halfway through the movie to where the French trappers have them tied to a tree. The only gripe really was when they went to bring her home and she was full on fighting them with punches and stuff....i get that theyre trying to show she's not a submissive female and she can hunt just as good as the rest of them but it just came off with a strange vibe. i have questions about the Predator himself but ill see if those questions are answered later. overall its been a pretty good movie - a bit slow in the beginning though.
You know I would like to believe that, but when you don't even teach your actors how to shoot a bow ( you can learn how comanche gripped their bows and arrows from one google search) and you almost kill your main lead in the first half because she stupidly falls in a mud pit, it seemed to me like an arrogant child with knowladge of few herbs and tracking got everyone killed in pursuit of her gender equality.
Mixing modern non-problems with tribes of native americans feels so forced and stupid, just like all of this movie.
@@ObscurusAnimusthe point is for her to be arrogant in the beginning , thats why she falls in the pit. Its not about equality at all
@@nicxshaw the point is the movie is just plan DUMB...
“It’s the basic inverse of depictions of native Americans in old movies”.
And that’s exactly why the white people were depicted the way they were.
Naru doesn’t do enough training to explain her description as “a skilled warrior” that was plastered all over the plot synopses. The Comanche tribe had distinct male and female roles and her shit wouldn’t have been tolerated.
Shhh dont wake them up bro, let them rejoice over their fantasy girlboss
she doesnt do training cuz women werent included in any kind of hunting or warrior training for the Comanche especially after 1600 when the spaniards introduced them to horse riding.
but lets say... getting self taught (altho extremely dangerous cuz that means you are always alone training) as a hunter... to track, to shoot arrows, to use her hatchet etc... mostly on immobile targets (tree trunks) lets just say thats "believable" altho she always kept failing to actually kill anything till she connected that rope to her hatchet and killed 3-4 rabbits.
how did she get self taught as a warrior? thats insane.
If someone like her had tried hunting and going to war with the men then she would have gone from preparing a Comanche dinner to becoming a Karankawa dinner. Pretty much immediately.
@@reignmans I can smell the soy seeping from your profile picture. .
yea its like shes good at throwing a hatchet.......but where the fuck did she learn how to fight just as well if not better than her brother?
The drinker was in a generous mood this day. Must be a Jack Daniel's hangover
One of the challenges of having a female protagonist in a film like this is that it is hard to damage the character. If a creature that can pick up a bear lands a blow on a 120 pound female then she is dead. At least it would stretch my suspension of disbelief. Even glancing blows would be devastating.
yeah, considering if we take an MMA Male fighter VS some girl like the main character, the damage would be unbearable and this is human on human, here we have a f*cking Predator vs some girl and she can stand her grand...f*ck off film
120 is being generous
@@artrosear yeah but they aren't scared to injure men. Think of Naruto or Ichigo. They get beat up repeatedly but they win fights (and periodically lose) because they don't quit and look tankier than 100lbs women.
I man the predator pimp slapping Arnold sent him flying several meters and spitting blood
@@thejourneyman8890 no! im not gunna look are CARTOONS so i can compare what a 100lbs woman can do...jesus kid, grow up!
A movie in 2022 with a female protagonist that we see fail several times, have to learn from others, and ultimately fight along-side a male in order to win. The movie deserves some of the hype based on that alone. They actually brought us a character who we got to see develop and grow.
And with respect to the French, c’mon dude, are we supposed to portray them as likeable? Everybody hates the French 😂
I know for a fact that the French Canadian voyageurs of the 19th century weren't all that different from the French dudes in the movie.
Exactly! I don't get this video. I agree with everything you said. He didn't mention how well the male characters were portrayed. It's as if the critical drinker was judging this film by the other mistakes of different movies and ìnstead of it's own merit.
“Nobody wants to see a young girl get horrifying injuries on screen”
I guess the Drinker is not into slasher movies
Yeh I didn't get that one. Dillon loses an arm, do chicks want emancipation or not?
What they could have done is give this girl the same "protection" the South American girl in Predator had: remain unarmed and therefore left alone by the alien for as long as she didn't carry a bow or axe. They could also have considered poison to kill.
Also I don't get the impression there's blood and gore shown that contributes as well to a sense of horror as the first did. The skinned bodies, the gallons of blood...Predator showed a massacre that actually impressed.
@@FlorisDVijfde yeah no horror feel at all
Revenge is a good movie
they dont make teen slashers anymore
Yeah, the one line from this review that didn't land with me. In this day and age, who *doesn't* want to see an on-screen female character get horribly injured?
The ending drove me nuts. The logic leaps, conveniences and perfect timing moments that came together to give a 100 pound girl an easy win against a 700 pound predator was eye roll inducing
What I don't get is they could literally copy the first movie. Lure the predator in for the kill only to be taken out by a trap. The Predator showed all through the movie he was greedy for kills, yet they somehow were scared to show her actually THINK instead of girlboss.
Are you surprised as I am of the critical drinkers title saying that this was surprisingly good? Because this was one of the worst, most wokest movies of the year for me, I thought it was absolutely terrible
@@willw3736 - I feel Drinker's standards have dropped after being exposed to too many bad films. Like he's becoming desperate to find something good, so he settles for mediocre and says "well compared to worse stuff it's not so bad".
Yet here is drinker defending it. Honestly I think that convention he went to had some fun private party rooms and this review marks the beginning of his indoctrination into the message.
@@willw3736 Dear Will, I just didn't understand. Is it sarcasm? In his critique he tore apart the movie. I didn't get it.
The solution to the gun was given at the end credits. They show the native american story with 3 more ships coming to earth after the events of the movie. So yes it doesn't end well for the tribe. Guess more Yuti came wondering what happened and also they are wanting to leave an advance ship around Personally I have always wanted to see a space marine from Aliens vs predator movie.
Too be fair, the predators seem to respect individuals strong enough to win a duel with one of them. They may have left the tribe alive out of respect. We are never really told how that goes.
@@Jesses001 100% this is how it SHOULD be. Who knows how it will actually play out. There are masters of the hunt predators, the one who gave the cop the gun in P2 was such a master of the hunt. Another master of the hunt showed up at the end of the one in Antarctica, and gave her a weapon as well after he seen she was 'blooded' by killing an alien and her face marked.
In the comics that pistol was taken off of a pirate captain whose crew turned against him.
Surprisingly good?! Did I fall asleep at some point and miss a good bit? I thought it was shite.
I like the concept of encounters with Predators in the past.
I think a good idea would be a WW1 or WW2 setting. Especially WW1 could offer some decent claustrophobia with the trenches. While WW2 could be a nice premise of some american soldiers and some german soldiers having to team up in order to stay alive while being hunted by the Predator as their own units were previously ambushed.
Good ideas!
I would also turn up for predetor vs vikings and predator vs roman legion.
Decent idea, it would be better than non canon AVP, and the reboot with the autistic kid....
You don’t need predator for that. It happened in real life on the eastern front, the Austrian-Hungarians and the Russians joined forced and fought against hundreds of starved wolves
I want to see a cross over. Imagine a predator flying into a worm hole and coming out fighting Turok the dinosaur hunter. Where Turok is hunting the predator not the other way around.
Just have predator sequels follow the Call of Duty timeline
Prey has helped me realize the original 1987 Predator might be my favorite movie of all time
Predator is my 2nd favorite, with John Carpenter's The Thing my all time favorite.
Nah those movies are whack. Xenomorphs are better.
@@metasprite5648 Kinda true but clearly a troll comment
Prey has helped me realize Prey is by far my least favorite Predator movie.
It's a good movie and I also like it a lot but in the end it's just Arnie fights a monster. Not more.
I used to have the predator self-destruct beeps and laughter as my ring tone, sometimes you find out not everyone appreciates the classics.
Cool idea!
Im stealing that
I totally need that in my life!
11:14 - That's a freakin Mary Sue in my book! This movie was sucha an anti-male pro feminist flick thru and thru! What MANY people don't realize is she is in fact responsible for killing all her men in this movie! She's specifically told by her bro not to venture off onto the hills or whatever but she clearly cockily disobeys - she then encounters the bear and quicksand. Afterwards her men appear coz they said they have to bring her back but then they die so that's on her... and eventually her bro too and all she says later is 'You all think I can't hunt?!" - not even a moment to mourn her bro who sacrificed himself for her! She's definitely a narcissist!! Many people either don't see this or even flat out deny it!
Watched this over the weekend with my wife who isn’t big into any sort of sci-fi stuff. Her best comment for the movie was at the end where she said “so she wasn’t able to kill a single animal the entire movie but kill the big alien??” Cracked me up
OMG 🤣 best point ever
Can always trust a mildly disinterested wife or girlfriend to see through the bullshit :') Mine is exactly the same
I am wondering if they were just trying to highlight the point that it wasn't about the hunt or going toe-to-toe, but rather finding a way to survive like her mother had said.
She did kill some rabbits.
Did you watch the movie? Is she stupid or on the spectrum? It's very easily explained and only requires a few neurons
Remember when stakes were high in the original film? When you felt empathetic towards the anxiety of Dutch and his team? Guess we'll never have that again even if it's possible to write stories that way.
I felt almost nothing when watching this film.
So you said you didnt know what happened with the burnt up trees. Well, the trappers burned the place up so the predator couldn't use the trees to travel (which didnt help them in the end anyway). Also the ash would give away its position, since it would stick to it. Thats why the predator's cloak stopped working. And i just love how the movie didnt spell that out for you.
@@joaocosta3374 you can interpret things however you like bud. If you only see politics, then you be you.
I went to Yellowstone years and years after their bad fires and it looked like this, maybe a few sprouts here and there. This was very accurate to what a forest fire does, vegetation comes back very very slowly. I didn't even think it was fresh because in my mind it looks like that for a while. To them it was the best way to hunt the predator, it makes it so he can't hide in the trees but still gives cover for an ambush.
To be honest they should have said it, because it wasn't too obvious in the film. It should have gave the men a huge advantage, yet they were still slaughtered by the Predator very easily
@@tamas9554 i understand, i noticed that detail on my second viewing, but thats what makes second viewings so much better! Being able to find small details like these keeps me intrigued 😀
One thing for sure - it worked, and they caught the predator - they just didn't know how strong and prepared it was. Sadly, we are supposed to believe the 110lbs. girl was the only one who could defeat it. Another push for women, today. Ridiculous.
'Strong female characters' who are small in stature often seem to break the immersion for me because, Since they either: Have no chance in a real physical battle (which breaks immersion and makes me go 'pfft') or must possess some kind of magical power (which often is not written into the story at all and makes me go 'pfft').
The entire point of the first Predator film is that physical strength and big guns isn't what leads to them beating the predator, all the muscular 80s action heroes got massacred, only the ones smart enough to use their enviroment to their advantage and learn about their enemy survived
@@richardblazer8070 Yeah good point. I was more commenting in general in films.
_"Can we kill it?"_
_"Only if it bleeds."_
That's the line they should have used.
After this the predators will say "if it bleeds we can't kill it".
You are too intelligent for Hollywood. Go away, now.
literally had to use these lines and throw in an episode where they track another dangerous predator after wounding it
atleast should've had Naru (the girl) say it. Taabe never even saw it bleed... I think...
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That's the line they should have used.
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The problem with this is that the Yautja looks like a Wendigo-
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Which, while more common among the tribes of the Northeast, was one of a pantheon of demonic, ghostly and cruelly Predatory supernatural creatures known widely to the Native American cultures. They have four or five definitions of big foot for instance.
They all have (tall, skinny, smells bad) traits shared by the Yautja and the first nations were _terrified_ of them.
Which would make sense for a creature whose inviso suit is seemingly coated in /fire/ when it switches off and whose other abilities might well look like magic to a culture which had only recently seen steel and firearms.
Yet the Comanche are not so much 'unimpressed' as _incognizant_ of what they just saw and what it means as part of their shamanistic world view. Not 'Oh darn, it's hot again...' but 'Oh dear...the gods hate us, we're screwed.'.
The original movie suffered from this problem too, only in reverse: Special Forces know what a tree sniper is. They use the technique themselves, to extend line of sight on distant targets and provide a genuine look down (tree stand) ability on targets which are 'waking' through the bush. We faced them all the time in the Pacific Island campaign, against the Japanese firing through multicanopy jungle. And again vs. the NVA/VC in Vietnam.
Yet Dutch and his team can't seem to figure this out, from wound impact angles, even though the technique has also been used, by the likes of Roger's Rangers, since the French And Indian Wars, pre 1776.
The natives should have panicked, because the Yautja tech would have looked like magic and it's appearance as well as ability to mimic voices would have matched a particular, 'evil spirit', definition.
The SOF should have acted against the Yautja's arboreal tactics, sooner, as just another operator.
"To make you hate the French hunters they used every trick in the book"
Nothing makes someone dirtier or more unlikeable than being French, they didn't need to go that far
They literally had to do nothing - they were French.
Why is it in every frontier movie I have seen the French are really evil?
What did the French do?
😂😂😂
Oh they were French.... In that case they didn't do it right. Wouldn't French people surrender at the first sign of the enemy?! LOL
@@highlander723 If it were the 20th century french then yeah I guess
My biggest complaint with it was that twice the Predator seemed to forget how its own helmet and targeting system worked whilst a 17th century native American who technologically speaking were still living in the stone age, not only understood it but managed to use it against the Predator 🤦♂️
Brooooooooo that was insane.. Like how are you shooting knowing your shots are going Into the tree because you helmet is knocked off?
The Predator always gets beat on a technicality, can't no human beat that thing for real, bruh was wrestling with a 1200 pound grizzly bear then military pressed that bitch, but it's believable Arnold and Brody beat a stronger way more advanced version cause they covered themselves in mud 🤣
@@Channel-zs3gg well the predator was also injured by the end of the film when Arnold slapped the mud on 😂
Well the shot only "seeks" when the helmet is active, and he didn't have it before the fight. It would be a wild assumption that some primitive species set up your helmet to use against you in a fight. Made sense to me.
@@hemmydall were talking about native Americans who hadnt even mastered metal. That kind of technology would be like pure magic to them, yet she sees it being used once and understands it perfectly. Even better than the creature with said technology seemingly as twice in the film it fires its projectiles without the mask and misses due to the system still kicking in. Made the Predator look extremely stupid and inept with its own weapons whilst also ridiculous that a native American still using stone in their axes could even begin to wrap their head around such technology.
Girl got the thickest plot armor I've ever seen
Definitely
I just wanna say that I actually really liked her brother! He should have been the main/co-main character. The final battle should have been a tag team vs the pred like they did earlier in the film.
Indeed, he was everything that she pretended to be, and more besides. It's not cockiness if you _are_ great at what you do. But the plot needed to gender-swap the actual physically competent character, so that's what we got.
@caramel Agreed. Taabe went hard and I’m glad they showed that
You can't have the Man character help the Woman win, it go against the "message"
@@Joker.9.9.9 even the dog smashed the patriarchy by being a woman's best friend
It's almost like he was the main character, but we couldn't have that because we live in the year 2022.
I’ll admit it, I was surprised how much better the film was than I was expecting, but the reviews from “critics” citing it a masterpiece and the best film to the franchise since the first one, just baffled me - it really wasn’t that good.
The ending and final battle scene killed me, Naru was jumping around all over the place likes she Skorpion or something
Hey great material like always, just one thing. When it comes to the burned forest it was done on purpose by the trappers to make Predator visible.(it is just a small piece of the land in the valley that they wanted to use as a trap for him). We can see that his camouflage equipment is malfunctioning.
I have no clue how they knew that it would work, but maybe they were just taking their chances.
That is my opinion.
I think the thinking is that he can't hide in the foliage if there's no foliage.
don't go actually using logic....
Traditionally, you do stuff like throw flour or ashes onto invisible things, or you look for footprints that betray the invisibility/stealth. (For example, in the Book of Daniel, in the story of "Bel and the Dragon.") So burning a forest area to catch something sneaky is within the realm of contemporary ideas.
I don't think they understood that he was actually invisible due to his tech. They assumed he was just really good at hiding in the terrain and decided to eliminate whatever cover he had available to him. That is why the initial lookouts were out in the open when he came upon them. They assumed he used the forest to hide. It glitching his equipment just turned out to be an unexpected bonus.
@@Dilligff In the hands of competent writers the Predator's technology would be magic to the trappers... Who might not be superstitious but wouldn't have many other mental "hooks" on which to hang shoulder mounted blaster cannon, glowing blood, and active camouflage. So I agree with you, they probably weren't attacking his tech so much as attacking what they thought he was hiding in.
All of which is irrelevant. Hollywood is dead to me. I'm not watching another movie in the theater for the foreseeable future and I won't pay for the ones I DO watch. I'm tired of the woke bullshit and being lectured about my gender and race by bigoted, misandrist, racists.
I finally tried watching this move and couldn’t make it past 20 minutes. Boring characters with stale wooden acting and dialogue.. it was much more fun to just imagine the predator wiping out that whole useless tribe in one brutal scene staring with the dog.
A year late but
The fact that you didn't make it 20 minutes in isn't the movie's fault lol 20 minutes really isn't that long. I bet you went into that saying "this movie is gonna suck," before you knew for sure, and then just ran with it lol
I don't agree. Fun movie fir a horror film.
The funny thing is even at the end of the first film Dutch only wins basically by chance. He escapes, and only just barely.
Even with all his attempts at fighting back on a primal level and his cunning in setting a smart trap the predator actually is as/more cunning. It spots the trap and moves to avoid it. It shows an impressive level of caution even when enjoying the dominating hand up to that moment. It's only by chance that as moving around the placement of the spikes that it walks directly under the counter weight and gives Dutch the extremely remote chance to drop it on him. If not for the predator walking through that one square meter of space under the suspended log that Dutch gets to drop on it, Dutch is getting his ticket punched about 5 seconds later. Because that was Dutch's last trick and it didn't actually work.
Dutch eventually, arguably, matched the predator as a hunter. But he never came remotely close to out-fighting it. He got his ass whooped. And Dutch's cunning in setting the trap was matched by the cunning of the predator in noticing and avoiding the trap's intended kill zone.
Dutch didn't win. He escaped. And only through an ultimate moment of incredibly good fortune.
Facts
And this is why it was such a good film. The Predator was doing it for fun, it wasn’t doing it for survival; it was for a laugh. It could have killed then all straight off the bat if it had to.
@@Ares-dn3qp EXACTLY!
@@Ares-dn3qp No it was doing it because it's a young blood. it's been sent there to prove itself and was over confident and inexperienced compared to the older predators
@@genises200 nowhere in the film does it suggest that. It’s fairly obvious that it handicaps itself to make the hunt more interesting. There’s entire scenes to it disarm itself to prolong the fight, it knows exactly what it was doing.
Great review! Killing 5 Frenchmen in their own camp looks quite unrealistic indeed.
You forget to mention though that she has the physical strength to rip out a Predator's tooth with one bare hand. Not a bad skill for a teenage girl! :-D
Yeah, while duke, a trained spec opps manslab couldn't even land a good punch on one.
@@grimnir8872 Who's Duke??
For the critical drinker to say this is surprisingly good is shocking, I thought this was complete garbage, hot woke garbage! I cannot believe he thought it was OK/good
I was looking forward to seeing the critical drinker‘s review of this movie, shocked that he thought it was OK, absolutely shocked…. This was more Hollywood woke garbage
@@rogermazuca4582 I guess @Grimnir meant to say dutch