As a sailor I can tell you it's natural for the helmsman and the cook not to get along. Both are concerned for the crew and both see their job as the most important because everyone dies if either screws up even a little. However there directly at contrast to each other. The helmsman must maneuver the boat and thusly has very little time to go to the galley or eat properly even going so far as to try and make chef's deliver their food to the helm, where is cooking is a delicate balance that can be easily disrupted by the movement of the ship and so in the chefs mind every screwed-up meal or burnt offering is the helmsman fault. Nor is the helmsman often there when everyone enjoys the revelry and thanks the chef so they seem unappreciative. And feel left out Just think on it
Interesting that Sanji hates Jinbei for what he indirectly did to Nami, but does not hold the same resentment towards Robin, for what she indirectly did to Vivi. Or Franky for what he directly did to Usopp.
Sanji and Usopp are only 2 people on the crew who know Nami’s past Oda tried to show how much Sanji cared for Nami and he went too far Nami will always be the most special to Sanji even Robin said it “ as soon as Nami screams a certain someone will get to her in the blink of an eye “
That was already dealt with back in Fishman Island when Nami talked about it and didn't hold a grudge against Jimbei, and he never paid it much mind since then.
For everyone saying hope sanji and jimbei relationship improve, I thinks it is oda's way to make bonds between different members of the crew. Some members like jimbei and luffy respect each other, someone like ussop and luffy are friends while members like sanji, zoro and jimbei have interaction by arguing. It's just a way crew interact each other. It's not a serious hatred towards each other
I agree with ya there. It adds to the found family dynamic of the series. None of the characters actually hate each other despite how frequently they can be seen arguing or even physically fighting each other. Sanji and Zoro are the prime examples of this but it's super clear they do respect and have a degree of admiration under all the bravado
Zoro is literally the closest to Sanji after Luffy in the crew. It's such a dumb take that they hate each other. They can often be seen chilling together in parties at the end of the arcs, Sanji is the one always looking for Zoro when he gets lost etc. Zoro and Luffy are partners while Zoro and Sanji are brothers.
I feel like jinbei is too mature, diplomatic, level headed, and prone to conflict resolution to have much or any comedic dynamic with the crew, but sanji having a completely unrequited rivalry with and in which jinbei neither really understands or reciprocates is odas genius way of having jinbei fit his comedic cog in with the others, especially if oda plays up the women all lavishing respect on jinbei (them viewing him more as a favorite uncle type of character) but sanji takes this as jinbei being his romantic opponent and rival for their affection, would be a fantastic gag and maybe will finally down play the over used tired pervy sanji gag bc he's too busy fuming at jinbei for the girls responding to jinbei but not sanjis flirting, and gets even more mad when jinbei, oblivious, apologizes or trys to calm sanji down instead of escalating it like how he wants and does with zoro.
You could've said the same thing about Robin a while back but here we are, she cracking jokes, having funny reactions. It just takes time to find the right blend.
@@langadube9611Robin is a much younger character than Jinbei though, and it actually makes sense with Robin bcos she's the type of "pulled from the darkness" character Jinbei doesn't change much upon joining the crew, if anything it's the crew that changes around Jinbei being part of them by having new interactions with him (such as this unrequited rivalry from Sanji)
…also in the early days of the Sunny, Nami relies on Sanji to man the helm more than any of the other strawhats. So there’s built in rivalry there imo 😂
I see part of this conflict as Sanji still struggling with any form of positive male/father like influence. While Zeff is a good influence on him, he has encouraged some toxic traits in Sanji which include an inability to express his emotions. Jinbe is kind of the opposite of that. He's more open with his feelings and they're not shielded behind mean words and acts which is basically what Zeff and Judge taught Sanji and is visible in how he treats the men of the Straw hats, who he does care for. Emotions are a form of weakness and Sanji hasn't let that go regardless of how far he's come since WCI. Additionally, he challenges how Sanji has been taught or grown to treat women. He tries far too hard, while Jinbe is simply a good person which makes women like him. Something we've seen happen to Sanji when he treats women with the respect and humanity that we actually want. So it's not unreasonable for Sanji to see Jinbe's actions as sort of like an unwanted step-father, who is not exactly trying to force his existence on Sanji but he kind of is by agreeing to join the crew. Sanji can't make him leave but he can express his unhappiness about it in the only way he knows how. Maybe they'll have some kind of team work moment and Sanji will be able to put aside his issues with Jinbe and maybe Jinbe will have a good influence on Sanji's character. Honestly I could go on about this for hours...
Oda has also been intentionally arranging Sanji to be in the same group with Jinbe at the start of Onigashima and in Egghead. I really hope to see more of their interactions.
I really hope that after Sanji beats S-Shark, his relationship with Jinbei becomes more positive on his side...now that he's gotten rid of all that aggression towards Jinbei he's pent up
Yeah i never really pick up on that before the fact that this is the second time sanji was made to fight S Shark really seems like its gonna lead to something deeper
Oda just gone show who the true number 3 is. A lot of people instantly put Sanji at 4 after Jimbei joined the group, just because of the title Jimbei held.
On the part of Jinbei freeing Arlong, I think it had more behind it than just the cycle of hatred. I mean, they were both crew members of Sun Pirates, and Arlong was arrested after Fisher Tiger's death, and that too, before committing any major crimes against civilians. So, I always thought it was only natural for Jinbei to free him as there new captain after becoming a warlord. And yeah, I always felt if Jinbei really wanted, he could had known what Arlong had been doing in East Blue, but we have to remember, at the end of the day, Jinbei was also a pirate, a very noble one, but still a pirate. He had no special connection to East Blue, nor did Arlong ever bothered him again and to be honest, a 20 million bounty is 1/10th of a Caribou; so I think it was more like if Jinbei came to know of Arlong's misdeeds, he would had stopped him , but he wasn't going out of his way to keep tabs on him. And that's why, he apologized to Nami. Also, if we think about it, the prisoners Luffy let loose during Impel Down could very much had resulted in something even much worse than whatever Arlong ever did.
Yes he is a pirate and not a saint nor a Marine who's job is to save civilians, same with Luffy, he is a pirate, a very kind hearted one but still a pirate who is not meant to be a hero. Jimbie who is a pirate, was mad at humans too because he was hurt just as much and discriminated. It's not his responsibility for whatever Arlong do, he can only take responsibility for his own actions who probably wanted revenge too but never did because he was more mature and took responsibility for himself. Jimbie at least tried to be a good person even with the anger inside him.
That 20 millions bounty probably stayed that "low" because Arlong bribed the Marine. So I don't think Arlong is less dangerous than Caribou just because he "only" had a bounty of 20 millions.
Jinbei probably think Arlong bounty of 20 million could be accredited to that he's doing pirate thing, pillaging other pirate's ship or civilian ship. I don't think that would make Jinbei be concerned cause Arlong just doing normal pirate activities. The reason Arlong paid the marine is to keep quiet about his ruling on Nami's island, which would make him almost doing the same thing as Crocodile but on a smaller scale.
I don't think we'll get a "what are you talking about?" moment. Jinbei knows, you can see Jinbei took it to heart when Sanji told him he may never forgive him on Fishman Island. I think if this happens I think it will touch Jinbei quite a bit.
This is the sorta video that makes this channel great. It’s so cool that ever since getting a team he’s just made more videos like this and improved on their quality. I’ve been watching for quite awhile, and it’s just cool to see how far this guy has gone.
Sanji doesn't hate Jinbei... he hates Jinbei's pure, unfiltered rizz. Look no further than Robin's interactions with Jinbei during Wano. My main fishman oozes calm and cool, and Sanji knows it.
Imagine the Fanbase foaming at the mouth of new guy has the highest bounty. They were also been furious. If he did leave with them after WCI, he would have been the second highest for the majority of Wano, instead of all of the third act
Jinbei wore it better, no question. Sanji in a 3 piece suit is solid, that's his domain and he nails it. Hawaiian shirts are the territory of nice older guys who just wanna laugh and chill, but still have a not-to-be-fuked-with vibe. Jinbei fits that, and his shirt perfectly.
Jinbe is the dad of the crew he is wise but goofy strong but kind and the perfect person to keep the luffy of the crew grounded also jinbe wear the Hawaiian shirt better
Jinbe super wore it better, but it makes sense why Sanji wore the Hawaiian duds: Sanji has a personal animosity towards tech and being linked to tech, as opposed to natural human, because of his father. So it's a small detail, but he constantly rejects that notion of being "a modified human," such as choosing normal clothes as opposed to a "tech battle suit." Love that Sanji goodness
Its videos like this that makes me appreciate One Piece that much more and how well everything is tied together from 20 years ago and how Oda always makes sure to keep each characters personality, traits, and even grudges consistent and don't just magically go away just because time went by. Many fans will slowly forget about this and then you're like oh wow
Jealousy, obviously. I mean, who wouldn't want to be as awesome as Jimbei? ;) In all seriousness, though, I do like this dynamic between Sanji and Jimbei, because it feels like a good contrast to Sanji's relationship with Zoro; whereas Zoro and Sanji are constantly butting heads, Jimbei barely even recognizes Sanji's animosity towards him. The new bounty reveals are a good example of this, while Zoro delights in reminding Sanji that he's "number 4", Jimbei doesn't seem to care either way and even wonders why Sanji is so upset about this. I do remember a little bit of friendly ribbing from Jimbei during the raid on Onigashima in regards to Sanji insisting on taking the lead when taking down enemies, but I think that's about it in terms of Jimbei "hitting back" towards Sanji's open hostility. I'll also add that, in retrospect, this all seems funny when you think back to when Sanji first met Jimbei, and how he was even more hostile then than he is now, mostly because he remembers what Yosaku said about Jimbei when talking about Arlong and assumed Jimbei was just as bad if not worse than Arlong, but allowed Jimbei to explain himself since helped out Luffy during the Paramount War. He even tells Jimbei to slice his guts open after hearing him out, though I think that was mostly out of his love for Nami and thinking anyone even indirectly responsible for Nami's suffering should pay the price with their life. While I'm on the subject, I should probably add that while I do think Jimbei is responsible for letting Arlong loose on the East Blue, I think what often gets overlooked is that Jimbei WOULD have stopped Arlong had he known about what he did. Alrong made it a point to bribe the Marine Captain Nezumi to keep a low profile, making sure no one from Marine HQ knew about what he was doing, and if Marine HQ was unaware of Arlong's actions, odds are Jimbei was also unaware of what was happening. I think Jimbei even admitted he didn't know about any of this until Arlong was arrested. Besides, it does ultimately come down to how Nami feels about this, and if Nami is willing to forgive Jimbei, I think both Sanji and the audience should be willing to as well... Besides, Jimbei was in tears upon hearing Nami forgive him, showing that he truly is remorseful over this and was even willing to accept any punishment she deemed fit, so as far as I'm concerned, Jimbei's in the clear for this.
Although, there being a fleet going after Arlong does muddy the waters a bit, but for all we know, the guy might've been a new transfer who was the rare marine who tried to do good. But yeah, most likely answer is that word never made it back to Jinbei, since the four blues are decently isolated, especially when it comes to bounty posters, as there'd be next to no reason for word about a pirate in the weakest Blue to make its way all the way up to the end of Paradise, and down to Fishman island.
Just a tiny correction - an order of magnitude is x10, so for example Luffy's current bounty of 3 billion is an order of magnitude higher than Sanji's 330 million.
When Sanji told Jinbei to kill himself in Fishman Island, that hit different because Arlong was corrupted and gained a natural hatred for humans. That hatred spread to Hody and made him an Arlong copy, thus continuing the cycle of unresolved hatred which both Fishman children and Human children can also be corrupted from because they were told to hate eachother. The adult Fishman actually saw the terrors of humans and gained a real reason to hate them. Arlong took his hatred and decided to use it as power, so he made Arlong Park. He terrorized Nami and her town with that power. And he couldn't be stopped from it because of all the stuff that happened with his crew, so the only way to stop him was keeping him in impel down. But him and Jinbei were crewmates so of course he let him out. It makes sense why Sanji would hate Jinbei cause he should've never let Arlong out of impel down. It's not like Jinbei can convince Sanji to understand his decision for letting Arlong out because of how much Nami was tortured. He can't forgive that.
Yeah but Nami was the one who actually suffered against Arlong and she said that she doesn't hold a grudge against Jimbei. Sanji acts as if he knows Nami's feelings.
@@Monkey_D_Rae Yeah his womanizing ways does have a bit of cloud on his judgement but his overall purpose of hatred makes sense. He just needed to hear Jinbei out more
I could see sanji getting over it if Jinbei saves Nami’s life with a sacrifice moment or saves someone who is starving. Either of things would redeem him. But he is never not going to be jealous 😂
Damn, I've never thought about the dynamic between these two at all, but you really layed it out perfectly Expected this title of the video to have some weird or funny twist, but it's actually just on the spot
I like how Jimbei is basically the chill military dad of the group, calm and reserved when he needs to be, but when you press his buttons, he'll show why he was so feared.
I’m only up to reading the Fishman Island Arc and Jinbe is in the middle of his story to Nami about his relationship with Arlong, Hody, etc. Sanji immediately tells Jinbe at the beginning to choose his words wisely, because based on what he says, he may or may not choose to forgive Jinbe. First, the power to forgive rests solely upon Nami’s shoulders, not Sanji’s. I can understand him being upset because of Nami’s past, however, he’s literally friends with Hachi, one of Arlong’s underlings. He’s a hypocrite in that regard. Secondly, he tells Jinbe to kill himself, after Jinbe has poured his heart out and revealed the past discriminations that Fishmen and Merfolk alike have endured by the hands of humans. His story was impactful because it shed a lot of light on why Arlong and Hody and other Fishmen hated humans. It’s an unfortunate cycle of hated that simply did not resonate with him, and for that Sanji comes off as an insensitive jerk to me. Furthermore, Jinbe killing himself won’t change anything and it won’t end Nami’s suffering from the past. But on the other hand, I really loved Nami’s resolve. She finally found some form of closure over her past, and though she still hates Arlong, she showed real maturity when she rightfully told Sanji to knock it off when he kept verbally hounding Jinbe. Nami doesn’t resent all Fishmen because Arlong was a bad person, and she gained wonderful friends and made incredible journey’s because of said friends, in spite of her past. That’s growth that quite frankly Sanji didn’t show, which is disheartening, considering he literally sat there and heard everything that everyone else heard Jinbe say.
Sanji interaction with jimbei like fighting and arguing is supposed to be like sanji and zoro interaction fun and sarcastic. It is not a big deal. It's just how crew interact with each other. Sanji clearly respect jimbei same as jimbei to sanji. It's just there way of making bonds
I can understand where your coming from but I liked to say a few things in regard to Sanji hating Jinbei: 1. He is not a hypocrite: you point towards the fact that the StrawHats all became friends with Hachi as evidence of this, I disagree with this. While Hachi was one of Arlong's crew and thus a part of Nami's perceived abusers. Please consider the simple fact that Hachi had no power to stop Arlong and as such had no true way of even helping Nami if he would/could have at the time. Also, the StrawHat crew can easily overpower Hachi which made their reunion something no one had to worry about honestly, plus on what might have been his deathbed Hachi did apologize for the pain he has caused Nami. You could say that Hachi's deathbed apology is where Sanji is coming from when he states that Jinbei should kill himself. 2. Jinbei is partly to blame: Jinbei had the power to stop Arlong but did not and it is this action that directly/indirectly causes Nami's village to end up in the situation that it did. Yes JInbei not wanting to continue hate is a good thing and I cannot fault him in thinking that way but Jinbei let loose a loaded gun in the form of Arlong. Please consider that Arlong states that he is going to kill humans after being defeated and let loose by Jinbei. This doesn't happen in secret and in fact Arlong says this precisely for Jinbei to hear and Jinbei who should know Arlong's character feigns ignorance in thinking Arlong could possibly change. Now of course I talk from hindsight and it could have happened that Arlong could have changed but Jinbei's decision comes back to bite him. He says to the StrawHat crew that he had known of atrocities committed by Arlong, yet he chose to do nothing. This revelation is even more painful if you considered that if not for Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Usopp, Nami, her village and more of East Blue might have died under Arlong's tyranny. I would think that from Sanji's perspective that, that is not forgivable. Jinbei released Arlong, heard about the tyranny of Arlong and still chose to do nothing, nothing. You could point out he planned to take action but his inaction leaves a bloody trail in it's wake.
Normally your videos are just a fun discussion week to week like chatting with a friend about what happened. This video feels like a key piece is information and storytelling that I think many have glossed over or forgotten
Sanji being one of the more analytical members of the crew, I wonder if he’ll learn about Jimbeiby’s weaknesses with the flames disappearing without Zoro or Luffy having to tell him
1:20 i have an "Mandela" Effect at One Piece too. For some reason i can swaer i saw an episode of the five elders talking about how luffy defeats Enel and they should keep an eye on him.
6:20 That's perfectly accurate. Nami is, indeed, the weather wizard. Mother Earth does not fuck around so much as she ducks around to avoid her own freaking stars.
As much as I love Sanji, it kind of annoyed me that he always seemed so angry with Jinbei, although after watching this I see that it's more severe than I realized. However this vid also helped me understand his side better than before, and then helped see more of the humor in it.
Oh yeah I mean I don't think he full on hates him. I do think he steps out of line with him at times though but now I at least see it from his side better.
@@Entei9000 yes, just one time on fishman island and then he thanked jinbe for protecting Luffy it ended there, Oda wants strawhats to be a family, he even gives each member a role who is younger/older sibling or dad/mom but this video kinda ruins relationship in this family Oda created
The Arlong warlord confusion (for me at least) was down to the fact that the Jinbe name drop in chapter 69 is something like 500 chapters before he is actually introduced, you don't actually meet him until Impel Down. So you are told the name of a very important person and forget it because you don't meet them for literal years. Then thinking back on that scene, your brain having dumped Jinbe from its cache, and boom! Arlong = Warlord.
Not really an odd reason. Jinbei let fish Hitler loose because he didn't want to kill him and continue the chain of hatred, but all he did was doom east blue to the chain of hatred. Did you notice the only fishmen in east blue were part of arlongs crew. And arlong stated he was gonna kill as many humans as he could. So he went to the east blue, where the majority had never met a fishman, and created a new chain of hate. Jimbei knew of this and did nothing, when he learned of arlong Park, he did nothing. And arlong had control of namis village and had his crew terrorize other nearby islands for between 5 and 10 years. That was more than enough time for jinbei to do anything, he was already a warlord and had the authority to do something, and he was the inheritors of the sun pirates so he had the duty to do something and he didn't. I can fully understand sanji not forgiving him.
@Rehan Choudry while yes sanji is a simple for nami, he also is from a family of literal nazis, and knows what it's like to be treated as less than a person, and he loves nami, and knowing jinbei could have stopped her from going through being less than a person to the point of wishing she could die, of course he wouldn't forgive him. It's the simple saying, the only necessary thing for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. And jinbei did nothing, which directly led to the suffering of the person he legitimately cares for most
@@HovektheArtist first. I was already very aware of everything that's sanji has been through. Second. Quite a long comment right here however somewhat fortunately I'm one of the very few individuals on the internet/Online that's willing read long comments as long as there not too long
@@HovektheArtist third. I understand that he got upset on nami behalf Although that was a necessary Cuz it's not for anyone else to decide to forgive them or not that's up to that individual literally no one else unless that individual also happens to be a Direct victim as well somehow?
@@HovektheArtist Fourth. To be on more of a logical accurate point. Would be better to say not surprised at all each & every one of the Straw hat crew members care about each other very much no matter how many times do they get into arguments or make such crude vulgar jokes about one another however when comes to sanji he's a Total simp. Not just one of the biggest simps in One Piece probably the biggest however also one of biggest simps in Anime/Manga History ( Although even I'll admit that compared to a lot of others out there he's one of the ones that's more on the badass side )
About how Jinbei found the crew in Wano: I imagine that he got to Wano and waited in the water until he heard them. Whale sharks have the largest inner ear structure on earth and while we don't know what they actually can hear, some whales have been noted to be able to hear for thousands of miles underwater. The Sunny, like all ships, would have it's own specific acoustic properties in regard to how the ship resonates, more so because it's made from such rare material and with such unique features, any of the sounds from the wood creaking to the wind thrumping the sails, feet drumming the deck, the cola fuel pumping, and potentially even the voices of the crew could be transmitted through the hull and into the water where Jinbei could recognize them by the sound and come swimming from miles away. Not to mention the sea battle at the time which I imagine would have been pretty loud and noticeable underwater for anyone I don't think there would have been any other reason for a sea battle atop Wano at the time except for the straw hats.
Jinbei left Arlong to run wild, is stealing the girls, stole the number 3 bountywise, and his seraphim also almost hurt Nami. No wonder Sanji hates him
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Jinbe brings the same kind of Dad-Energy that Brook did when he first joined. In as much as both of them had considerable years of experience under their belt. ...in fact, I could even see a scene in the future where Jinbe's around for Luffy meeting up with Dragon...and suddenly our favorite fishman friend has a Yondu moment.
Sanji: Your actions involuntarily made Nami cry!!! Jinbie: Sanji... If I had not released Arlong... you would have never met Nami. *Sanji shocked expression*
Wow, I didn't think it was possible for me to discover new things about older One Piece content. I really enjoyed this new insight and look forward to see how Oda develops it more in the story! I'd love to see more videos like this!
The build up of Jinbei being a villain, could easily be explained away by the person who gave the information, back when dealing with Arlong, never actually left the East Blue, and therefore only hears things on the grape vine. And if you ever played a game of telephone with your friends, you should know how quickly information gets distorted, the more it is passed along by word of mouth. So High Bounty + Distorted Word of Mouth = unknowingly providing misinformation about Jinbei.
Jinbei isn't aware that Sanji hates him? How. At Fishman Island Sanji told Jinbei that, if he was sorry about what happened at Nami's village he should oof himself.
I am fine with the strawhats having discourse in their relationships, but I hope this doesn’t become something that the fandom starts to resent sanji for. People already give him so much shit for being the dump for Oda’s perv jokes. Sanji is such a fantastic character with an incredible amount of depth, more than the rest of the crew I would say- but I think he’s one of ODA’S favorites to play with so he gets saddled with a lot of character experimentation that I think causes people to go up and down with their perception of him depending on how the moment hits. Which to me is the unfortunate risk and tragedy of him, because I find him to be the most incredible strawhat aside from Luffy. (No doubt because he has so many layers and is the perfect middle between serious loyalty and comedy. (He’s a sweetheart but also a doofus.) Sanji has a lot of self worth issues and I can definitely see this blowing up for some of the audience when combined with Sanji’s overplayed womanizing. But deeper than that womanizing is an incredible amount of kindness- Sanji is a caretaker at heart with good intentions, and has always taken it upon himself to shoulder the weaker of the crew on multiple occasions, especially Nami, so people that hurt his friends get a lot of scorn from him. His overprotectiveness combined with the insecurity that he could be replaceable or inadequate could be messy.
Great video topic! Even with how closely I've been reading the series these past few years, this is a dynamic that I totally missed, so I really do feel like I've learned something new and interesting about these characters that adds some depth
Never really noticed they had this type of dynamics. But it indeed made the whole crew's overall relationship a lot more interesting since it poses some realism on it. Not just a typicall friendship forever or rivalry relationship. I love Oda
Jinbei has so much charisma from a lot of years of experience and is a very humble being!! Sanji is a simp maybe too much of it which makes him annoying but he is still a very kind person. I don't wanna compare both of them but my heart goes to Jinbei.
I love when Jimbei stole Sanji’s thunder in Wano. It was hilarious. Also I think it should be noted that Sanji’s eyebrow switched when he started fighting S-Shark. I feel like Oda was trying to make us concerned about Sanji’s humanity status, so he was more brutal with his words. Another thing to note is that *despite* that, he does nothing but tank S-Shark’s punches, which is very interesting. Is it for Nami’s sake, who doesn’t want to see a child be hurt?
Jinbe not killing Arlong just shows us our actions have conequences. How different would one piece play out if Jimbe killed Arlong instead of sparing him. Will Sanji snap and challenge Jimbe to fight for Nami's honor? Also Jimbe looks better in the Hawaiian shirt.
Well, Sanji let germa loose, and German's pillaging of several countries makes arlong look likw a Saint. So what about that. Does this make Sanji even worse than jimbei, because jimbei didn't exactly know what arlong was going to do after being freed, but in contrast Sanji knew germa would go back to be a group of assassins after being saved. This makes Sanji even worse than jimbei, if sanji's choice is played out as KINDNESSES, why isn't jimbei's, and arlong and jimbei were sworn brothers until he left the sun pirates.
This is sort of like the zoro robin dynamic before ennies lobby. Since robin became a member not through luffy's decision but her own, zoro didn't see her as a true member. He would constantly remind her of his distrust and how he just tolerates her for luffy. This is why zoro openly stated to nami that if push comes to shove, he would kill her without hesitation. But of course, when everything was revealed zoro finally considered her a member, iirc there was even a scene where he felt regret for the actions he wouldve done if he didnt know.
I love how people say "Viz is the more accurate translation of the story" then proceeds to always show examples of how it is not. Like Nami's boobs thing.
I guess it's a good thing that Sanji and Jinbe were physically separated for most of Whole Cake. Imagine if Pudding ended up getting along with Jinbe too after she fell for Sanji.
Will Sanji not Hate Jumbei after the S shark fight? Will this fight remove all this animosity Sanji hold towards Jimbei? This video is why One Piece is a masterpiece! Maybe it is just because there is so many chapters, but there are so many smaller interactions going on in this story. One could completely forget the over all story and get lost in these smaller interactions.
7:00 don't see this as begrudgingly, more him actually being more respectful that Jinbei has an important duty. Like how Sanji and Zoro occasionally have trusting hate/love moments like when Sanji trusted Zoro to kill him if he became someone else due to his biological awakening, not Luffy or anyone else he trusts but ZORO.
Here’s the thing with zoro v sanji. After he and sanji fought, when they defeated arlong and they partied, sanji asked zoro if he was ok. It really started when sanji first got the name “moss head” in his head. It was during alabasta/arabasta when they were on the crab…. I know it’s unrelated to the video but I thought y’all would want to know…
Me two hours ago, about to get to work and looking for a video to listen to: hmm, let's watch GLR. GLR: no new video. I finish up the work and look back at UA-cam and see a new GLR video: I may have been too early, but now I have it and it's beautiful.
Sanji telling Jinbe to kill himself is the reason why he and Nami could never work as a couple. Sanji assumed he knew what Nami wanted but couldn't have been more wrong. It was further reinforced during Whole Cake Island when Sanji pretended to want nothing to do with the Straw Hats. Nami took his actions at face value, but Luffy could see through his lies. Also Jinbe wore the Hawaiian shirt better.
God, I love these 'has no concept about' or 'formed a healthy relationship with female characters', both of which Liam uses TWICE during the video These lexical constructions brings me much enjoyment indeed
There was a small scene where Sanji gave Jinbe Credit for protecting Luffy and it was pretty good, I hope the two get along more in the story
Dont u mean u hope they get ARLONG more 🙂🙂
Ill show myself out.
@@Rithan4 💀
@@Rithan4Makes sure the door doesn’t hit you on the way out 😒
@@bitviper3430 I hope the door does hit him
@@Rithan4 😂😂😂
As a sailor I can tell you it's natural for the helmsman and the cook not to get along. Both are concerned for the crew and both see their job as the most important because everyone dies if either screws up even a little. However there directly at contrast to each other. The helmsman must maneuver the boat and thusly has very little time to go to the galley or eat properly even going so far as to try and make chef's deliver their food to the helm, where is cooking is a delicate balance that can be easily disrupted by the movement of the ship and so in the chefs mind every screwed-up meal or burnt offering is the helmsman fault. Nor is the helmsman often there when everyone enjoys the revelry and thanks the chef so they seem unappreciative. And feel left out
Just think on it
This is a briliant comment
damn thanks for the great insight 😂❤
Shit cannot get any more deeper
as a cook, cooking and food have a bit more forgiveness than you seem to let on. also helmsmen take shifts. there is more than one per vessel.
Interesting that Sanji hates Jinbei for what he indirectly did to Nami, but does not hold the same resentment towards Robin, for what she indirectly did to Vivi. Or Franky for what he directly did to Usopp.
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Sanji and Usopp are only 2 people on the crew who know Nami’s past Oda tried to show how much Sanji cared for Nami and he went too far Nami will always be the most special to Sanji even Robin said it “ as soon as Nami screams a certain someone will get to her in the blink of an eye “
That was already dealt with back in Fishman Island when Nami talked about it and didn't hold a grudge against Jimbei, and he never paid it much mind since then.
Franky never hurt Usopp directly. It was Franky's Family and Sanji had done his judgment against them.
Bro what 💀 Robin barely did anything to vivi compared what arlong did to nami they aren’t even comparable
For everyone saying hope sanji and jimbei relationship improve, I thinks it is oda's way to make bonds between different members of the crew. Some members like jimbei and luffy respect each other, someone like ussop and luffy are friends while members like sanji, zoro and jimbei have interaction by arguing. It's just a way crew interact each other. It's not a serious hatred towards each other
I agree with ya there. It adds to the found family dynamic of the series. None of the characters actually hate each other despite how frequently they can be seen arguing or even physically fighting each other. Sanji and Zoro are the prime examples of this but it's super clear they do respect and have a degree of admiration under all the bravado
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Zoro also being the most loyal. Zoro is always friendliest to the captain (excluding ussop). Him and ussop are closest to luffy.
Zoro is literally the closest to Sanji after Luffy in the crew. It's such a dumb take that they hate each other. They can often be seen chilling together in parties at the end of the arcs, Sanji is the one always looking for Zoro when he gets lost etc. Zoro and Luffy are partners while Zoro and Sanji are brothers.
I feel like jinbei is too mature, diplomatic, level headed, and prone to conflict resolution to have much or any comedic dynamic with the crew, but sanji having a completely unrequited rivalry with and in which jinbei neither really understands or reciprocates is odas genius way of having jinbei fit his comedic cog in with the others, especially if oda plays up the women all lavishing respect on jinbei (them viewing him more as a favorite uncle type of character) but sanji takes this as jinbei being his romantic opponent and rival for their affection, would be a fantastic gag and maybe will finally down play the over used tired pervy sanji gag bc he's too busy fuming at jinbei for the girls responding to jinbei but not sanjis flirting, and gets even more mad when jinbei, oblivious, apologizes or trys to calm sanji down instead of escalating it like how he wants and does with zoro.
You could've said the same thing about Robin a while back but here we are, she cracking jokes, having funny reactions. It just takes time to find the right blend.
So was robin but that’s what writing does
@@langadube9611Robin is a much younger character than Jinbei though, and it actually makes sense with Robin bcos she's the type of "pulled from the darkness" character
Jinbei doesn't change much upon joining the crew, if anything it's the crew that changes around Jinbei being part of them by having new interactions with him (such as this unrequited rivalry from Sanji)
…also in the early days of the Sunny, Nami relies on Sanji to man the helm more than any of the other strawhats. So there’s built in rivalry there imo 😂
@@msjones6936 didn't even consider that but yeah there's just more an more reasons for one sided animosity piling up lol
I see part of this conflict as Sanji still struggling with any form of positive male/father like influence. While Zeff is a good influence on him, he has encouraged some toxic traits in Sanji which include an inability to express his emotions.
Jinbe is kind of the opposite of that. He's more open with his feelings and they're not shielded behind mean words and acts which is basically what Zeff and Judge taught Sanji and is visible in how he treats the men of the Straw hats, who he does care for.
Emotions are a form of weakness and Sanji hasn't let that go regardless of how far he's come since WCI. Additionally, he challenges how Sanji has been taught or grown to treat women. He tries far too hard, while Jinbe is simply a good person which makes women like him. Something we've seen happen to Sanji when he treats women with the respect and humanity that we actually want.
So it's not unreasonable for Sanji to see Jinbe's actions as sort of like an unwanted step-father, who is not exactly trying to force his existence on Sanji but he kind of is by agreeing to join the crew. Sanji can't make him leave but he can express his unhappiness about it in the only way he knows how.
Maybe they'll have some kind of team work moment and Sanji will be able to put aside his issues with Jinbe and maybe Jinbe will have a good influence on Sanji's character.
Honestly I could go on about this for hours...
Fantastic explanation.
Gen z type vide😂
Oda has also been intentionally arranging Sanji to be in the same group with Jinbe at the start of Onigashima and in Egghead. I really hope to see more of their interactions.
Nah he prefers his fish on a grill
@@csy8982 their combat styles do complement each other so it makes the moment sense.
You should do more of these crew dynamics videos, I had no clue this was a thing.
I agree, crew dynamic videos are interesting! 🙂
it isn't a thing, this video is nonsense
It is.
@@giobregu it's not
@@giobregu yes, Sanji is always praised and respected by everyone around him becus of his kindness even Oda himself, this video is just for fun
Maybe Jimbe promoted a scam to Sanji about buying a piece of land saying he could become a lord, laird or lady?
Lmao was it a scam?
Lmao
@@fra_aca hahahahaha yeah
I mean Sanji is already royalty, so it’s definitely on him at that point.
Oof
I really hope that after Sanji beats S-Shark, his relationship with Jinbei becomes more positive on his side...now that he's gotten rid of all that aggression towards Jinbei he's pent up
I didn't realise this before
Yeah i never really pick up on that before the fact that this is the second time sanji was made to fight S Shark really seems like its gonna lead to something deeper
I think it is funnier if he continues to be angry at Jinbei while the fishman is oblivious to this fact and nice to him back
@@igormachado2194 so a one-sided zoro-sanji relationship
Oda just gone show who the true number 3 is. A lot of people instantly put Sanji at 4 after Jimbei joined the group, just because of the title Jimbei held.
On the part of Jinbei freeing Arlong, I think it had more behind it than just the cycle of hatred. I mean, they were both crew members of Sun Pirates, and Arlong was arrested after Fisher Tiger's death, and that too, before committing any major crimes against civilians. So, I always thought it was only natural for Jinbei to free him as there new captain after becoming a warlord. And yeah, I always felt if Jinbei really wanted, he could had known what Arlong had been doing in East Blue, but we have to remember, at the end of the day, Jinbei was also a pirate, a very noble one, but still a pirate. He had no special connection to East Blue, nor did Arlong ever bothered him again and to be honest, a 20 million bounty is 1/10th of a Caribou; so I think it was more like if Jinbei came to know of Arlong's misdeeds, he would had stopped him , but he wasn't going out of his way to keep tabs on him. And that's why, he apologized to Nami. Also, if we think about it, the prisoners Luffy let loose during Impel Down could very much had resulted in something even much worse than whatever Arlong ever did.
Yes he is a pirate and not a saint nor a Marine who's job is to save civilians, same with Luffy, he is a pirate, a very kind hearted one but still a pirate who is not meant to be a hero. Jimbie who is a pirate, was mad at humans too because he was hurt just as much and discriminated. It's not his responsibility for whatever Arlong do, he can only take responsibility for his own actions who probably wanted revenge too but never did because he was more mature and took responsibility for himself. Jimbie at least tried to be a good person even with the anger inside him.
That 20 millions bounty probably stayed that "low" because Arlong bribed the Marine. So I don't think Arlong is less dangerous than Caribou just because he "only" had a bounty of 20 millions.
@@herusetiawan5399 I didn't meant he was less dangerous than Caribou, I exactly meant that that bounty is currently really low...
Good point about the prisoners 👀. Arlongs real bounty probably should have been at least 40 million. Probably 40 - 80 million max
Jinbei probably think Arlong bounty of 20 million could be accredited to that he's doing pirate thing, pillaging other pirate's ship or civilian ship. I don't think that would make Jinbei be concerned cause Arlong just doing normal pirate activities. The reason Arlong paid the marine is to keep quiet about his ruling on Nami's island, which would make him almost doing the same thing as Crocodile but on a smaller scale.
I really hope we get a moment where Sanji forgives Jinbei and apologozies and Jinbei is like "what are you talking about"?
I don't think we'll get a "what are you talking about?" moment. Jinbei knows, you can see Jinbei took it to heart when Sanji told him he may never forgive him on Fishman Island. I think if this happens I think it will touch Jinbei quite a bit.
@Vatra why would he care what Sanji thinks ? It was was Nami's forgiveness that he wanted.
Why would Sanji need to forgive him? Lol. Jinbei did nothing wrong. The cook can go fuck himself.
This is the sorta video that makes this channel great. It’s so cool that ever since getting a team he’s just made more videos like this and improved on their quality.
I’ve been watching for quite awhile, and it’s just cool to see how far this guy has gone.
Sanji doesn't hate Jinbei... he hates Jinbei's pure, unfiltered rizz. Look no further than Robin's interactions with Jinbei during Wano. My main fishman oozes calm and cool, and Sanji knows it.
Rizzbei💀
Rizzman Karate
I mean, she even called him handsome lol
And Robin finds him to charming and handsome. We all know Sanji won't stand for that.
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If Jinbe had accepted Luffy's invite to join the crew back on Fishman Island, Jinbe would have had the highest bounty on the crew.
not now though
As would most characters in the story
That's why Oda waited for him to join
Imagine the Fanbase foaming at the mouth of new guy has the highest bounty. They were also been furious. If he did leave with them after WCI, he would have been the second highest for the majority of Wano, instead of all of the third act
That's why Oda waited for him til Wano to join because Jinbei would've most likely destroy every opponent up until then. Yes, even Doffy.
Jinbei wore it better, no question. Sanji in a 3 piece suit is solid, that's his domain and he nails it. Hawaiian shirts are the territory of nice older guys who just wanna laugh and chill, but still have a not-to-be-fuked-with vibe. Jinbei fits that, and his shirt perfectly.
Now I want to see iroh from avatar wear a Hawaiian shirt
it's more that Sanji always wears shirts with collars
I didn't realize just how much there was behind Sanji's animocity.
Although after laying it all out like this, then it makes perfect sense!
Jinbe is the dad of the crew he is wise but goofy strong but kind and the perfect person to keep the luffy of the crew grounded also jinbe wear the Hawaiian shirt better
Vinsmoke Sanji wants to know your location
@@kulkuljator let him come
I love the Duality of Jimbei being this strong badass and wise revolutionary type figure but also A sweet oblivious Dad
@@Radiolonestar exactly dont want to say that he is my favourite Straw hat but he is one of my favourite characters in all of one piece
@Fly high brotha you will let him expand what? 😳
Jinbe super wore it better, but it makes sense why Sanji wore the Hawaiian duds: Sanji has a personal animosity towards tech and being linked to tech, as opposed to natural human, because of his father. So it's a small detail, but he constantly rejects that notion of being "a modified human," such as choosing normal clothes as opposed to a "tech battle suit." Love that Sanji goodness
Jimbei is just vibing while my guy Sanji loses his mind every 5 seconds
The fact that Sanji represents fire and Jinbe represents water is another way to understand their dynamic.
Uh dont Nami also represents water? 😅
@@christinaturner6548 Nami represents lightning or clouds
@@christinaturner6548Nami does not represent water and if she did he will still simp for her
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Its videos like this that makes me appreciate One Piece that much more and how well everything is tied together from 20 years ago and how Oda always makes sure to keep each characters personality, traits, and even grudges consistent and don't just magically go away just because time went by. Many fans will slowly forget about this and then you're like oh wow
Jealousy, obviously. I mean, who wouldn't want to be as awesome as Jimbei? ;)
In all seriousness, though, I do like this dynamic between Sanji and Jimbei, because it feels like a good contrast to Sanji's relationship with Zoro; whereas Zoro and Sanji are constantly butting heads, Jimbei barely even recognizes Sanji's animosity towards him. The new bounty reveals are a good example of this, while Zoro delights in reminding Sanji that he's "number 4", Jimbei doesn't seem to care either way and even wonders why Sanji is so upset about this. I do remember a little bit of friendly ribbing from Jimbei during the raid on Onigashima in regards to Sanji insisting on taking the lead when taking down enemies, but I think that's about it in terms of Jimbei "hitting back" towards Sanji's open hostility. I'll also add that, in retrospect, this all seems funny when you think back to when Sanji first met Jimbei, and how he was even more hostile then than he is now, mostly because he remembers what Yosaku said about Jimbei when talking about Arlong and assumed Jimbei was just as bad if not worse than Arlong, but allowed Jimbei to explain himself since helped out Luffy during the Paramount War. He even tells Jimbei to slice his guts open after hearing him out, though I think that was mostly out of his love for Nami and thinking anyone even indirectly responsible for Nami's suffering should pay the price with their life.
While I'm on the subject, I should probably add that while I do think Jimbei is responsible for letting Arlong loose on the East Blue, I think what often gets overlooked is that Jimbei WOULD have stopped Arlong had he known about what he did. Alrong made it a point to bribe the Marine Captain Nezumi to keep a low profile, making sure no one from Marine HQ knew about what he was doing, and if Marine HQ was unaware of Arlong's actions, odds are Jimbei was also unaware of what was happening. I think Jimbei even admitted he didn't know about any of this until Arlong was arrested. Besides, it does ultimately come down to how Nami feels about this, and if Nami is willing to forgive Jimbei, I think both Sanji and the audience should be willing to as well... Besides, Jimbei was in tears upon hearing Nami forgive him, showing that he truly is remorseful over this and was even willing to accept any punishment she deemed fit, so as far as I'm concerned, Jimbei's in the clear for this.
Although, there being a fleet going after Arlong does muddy the waters a bit, but for all we know, the guy might've been a new transfer who was the rare marine who tried to do good.
But yeah, most likely answer is that word never made it back to Jinbei, since the four blues are decently isolated, especially when it comes to bounty posters, as there'd be next to no reason for word about a pirate in the weakest Blue to make its way all the way up to the end of Paradise, and down to Fishman island.
Just a tiny correction - an order of magnitude is x10, so for example Luffy's current bounty of 3 billion is an order of magnitude higher than Sanji's 330 million.
When Sanji told Jinbei to kill himself in Fishman Island, that hit different because Arlong was corrupted and gained a natural hatred for humans. That hatred spread to Hody and made him an Arlong copy, thus continuing the cycle of unresolved hatred which both Fishman children and Human children can also be corrupted from because they were told to hate eachother. The adult Fishman actually saw the terrors of humans and gained a real reason to hate them. Arlong took his hatred and decided to use it as power, so he made Arlong Park. He terrorized Nami and her town with that power. And he couldn't be stopped from it because of all the stuff that happened with his crew, so the only way to stop him was keeping him in impel down. But him and Jinbei were crewmates so of course he let him out. It makes sense why Sanji would hate Jinbei cause he should've never let Arlong out of impel down. It's not like Jinbei can convince Sanji to understand his decision for letting Arlong out because of how much Nami was tortured. He can't forgive that.
Yeah but Nami was the one who actually suffered against Arlong and she said that she doesn't hold a grudge against Jimbei. Sanji acts as if he knows Nami's feelings.
@@Monkey_D_Rae Yeah his womanizing ways does have a bit of cloud on his judgement but his overall purpose of hatred makes sense. He just needed to hear Jinbei out more
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i aint reading allat
hes just a simp
As someone who is unfortunately Jinbe shaped I have to agree that Hawaiian shirts do look better on the more rounded body type.
they do haha. im more of a sanji body type but can never rock those shirts as well as jinbei does
If only sanji was named white leg sanji he would have been besties with zoro
And they are, as most brotherly fights have a deeper meaning to the brotherly nature of them.
White Leg Sanji + the "racist" Zoro? 🤣
@@lazylonewolf minority hunter zoro 💀
@@zyncxec3658 So glad I found that meme
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Sanji is never gonna get over it and even if jimbie saves sanji it still won’t be forgiven
I could see sanji getting over it if Jinbei saves Nami’s life with a sacrifice moment or saves someone who is starving. Either of things would redeem him. But he is never not going to be jealous 😂
So Sanji is both a sexist and the true racist of the crew. Cool.
Is there a point here?
Jinbei saving Sanji might make things even worse as it would probably damage Sanji's well established sense of pride
@@tobiaswedin if anything, he seems more like a racist feminist than a sexist lol
Damn, I've never thought about the dynamic between these two at all, but you really layed it out perfectly
Expected this title of the video to have some weird or funny twist, but it's actually just on the spot
I like how Jimbei is basically the chill military dad of the group, calm and reserved when he needs to be, but when you press his buttons, he'll show why he was so feared.
What an amazing analysis! Now more people will understand why sanji is acting like he is towards Jinbei!
I’m only up to reading the Fishman Island Arc and Jinbe is in the middle of his story to Nami about his relationship with Arlong, Hody, etc. Sanji immediately tells Jinbe at the beginning to choose his words wisely, because based on what he says, he may or may not choose to forgive Jinbe.
First, the power to forgive rests solely upon Nami’s shoulders, not Sanji’s. I can understand him being upset because of Nami’s past, however, he’s literally friends with Hachi, one of Arlong’s underlings. He’s a hypocrite in that regard.
Secondly, he tells Jinbe to kill himself, after Jinbe has poured his heart out and revealed the past discriminations that Fishmen and Merfolk alike have endured by the hands of humans. His story was impactful because it shed a lot of light on why Arlong and Hody and other Fishmen hated humans. It’s an unfortunate cycle of hated that simply did not resonate with him, and for that Sanji comes off as an insensitive jerk to me.
Furthermore, Jinbe killing himself won’t change anything and it won’t end Nami’s suffering from the past.
But on the other hand, I really loved Nami’s resolve. She finally found some form of closure over her past, and though she still hates Arlong, she showed real maturity when she rightfully told Sanji to knock it off when he kept verbally hounding Jinbe. Nami doesn’t resent all Fishmen because Arlong was a bad person, and she gained wonderful friends and made incredible journey’s because of said friends, in spite of her past.
That’s growth that quite frankly Sanji didn’t show, which is disheartening, considering he literally sat there and heard everything that everyone else heard Jinbe say.
wtf are you doing here then, stop immediately and catch up
This isn’t a theory
Sanji interaction with jimbei like fighting and arguing is supposed to be like sanji and zoro interaction fun and sarcastic. It is not a big deal. It's just how crew interact with each other. Sanji clearly respect jimbei same as jimbei to sanji. It's just there way of making bonds
@@kaskaus im in wano ep 1055 so what r u talking about kid ?
I can understand where your coming from but I liked to say a few things in regard to Sanji hating Jinbei:
1. He is not a hypocrite: you point towards the fact that the StrawHats all became friends with Hachi as evidence of this, I disagree with this. While Hachi was one of Arlong's crew and thus a part of Nami's perceived abusers. Please consider the simple fact that Hachi had no power to stop Arlong and as such had no true way of even helping Nami if he would/could have at the time. Also, the StrawHat crew can easily overpower Hachi which made their reunion something no one had to worry about honestly, plus on what might have been his deathbed Hachi did apologize for the pain he has caused Nami. You could say that Hachi's deathbed apology is where Sanji is coming from when he states that Jinbei should kill himself.
2. Jinbei is partly to blame: Jinbei had the power to stop Arlong but did not and it is this action that directly/indirectly causes Nami's village to end up in the situation that it did. Yes JInbei not wanting to continue hate is a good thing and I cannot fault him in thinking that way but Jinbei let loose a loaded gun in the form of Arlong. Please consider that Arlong states that he is going to kill humans after being defeated and let loose by Jinbei. This doesn't happen in secret and in fact Arlong says this precisely for Jinbei to hear and Jinbei who should know Arlong's character feigns ignorance in thinking Arlong could possibly change. Now of course I talk from hindsight and it could have happened that Arlong could have changed but Jinbei's decision comes back to bite him. He says to the StrawHat crew that he had known of atrocities committed by Arlong, yet he chose to do nothing. This revelation is even more painful if you considered that if not for Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Usopp, Nami, her village and more of East Blue might have died under Arlong's tyranny. I would think that from Sanji's perspective that, that is not forgivable. Jinbei released Arlong, heard about the tyranny of Arlong and still chose to do nothing, nothing. You could point out he planned to take action but his inaction leaves a bloody trail in it's wake.
Normally your videos are just a fun discussion week to week like chatting with a friend about what happened. This video feels like a key piece is information and storytelling that I think many have glossed over or forgotten
Sanji being one of the more analytical members of the crew, I wonder if he’ll learn about Jimbeiby’s weaknesses with the flames disappearing without Zoro or Luffy having to tell him
If the fire never goes out then probably not
The comparison between Sanji, jinbei and homer+Flanders is surprisingly funny xD
I think it'd be funny if Zoro and Jinbe become good buddies pissing Sanji off more.
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Bru Jinbe looks like he got the “dad on holiday” drip 10/10
1:20 i have an "Mandela" Effect at One Piece too. For some reason i can swaer i saw an episode of the five elders talking about how luffy defeats Enel and they should keep an eye on him.
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That's perfectly accurate. Nami is, indeed, the weather wizard. Mother Earth does not fuck around so much as she ducks around to avoid her own freaking stars.
As much as I love Sanji, it kind of annoyed me that he always seemed so angry with Jinbei, although after watching this I see that it's more severe than I realized. However this vid also helped me understand his side better than before, and then helped see more of the humor in it.
I think this video is a stretch if people think sanji hates Jinbe becus Robin actually agreed with Sanji’s lines when he first attacked S-Jinbe
Oh yeah I mean I don't think he full on hates him. I do think he steps out of line with him at times though but now I at least see it from his side better.
@@Entei9000 yes, just one time on fishman island and then he thanked jinbe for protecting Luffy it ended there, Oda wants strawhats to be a family, he even gives each member a role who is younger/older sibling or dad/mom but this video kinda ruins relationship in this family Oda created
The Arlong warlord confusion (for me at least) was down to the fact that the Jinbe name drop in chapter 69 is something like 500 chapters before he is actually introduced, you don't actually meet him until Impel Down. So you are told the name of a very important person and forget it because you don't meet them for literal years. Then thinking back on that scene, your brain having dumped Jinbe from its cache, and boom! Arlong = Warlord.
🤔So basically for some very odd reason? sanji starts fights/drama with two of the most chilled out laid-back members in the entire Strawhat crew
Not really an odd reason.
Jinbei let fish Hitler loose because he didn't want to kill him and continue the chain of hatred, but all he did was doom east blue to the chain of hatred.
Did you notice the only fishmen in east blue were part of arlongs crew. And arlong stated he was gonna kill as many humans as he could. So he went to the east blue, where the majority had never met a fishman, and created a new chain of hate.
Jimbei knew of this and did nothing, when he learned of arlong Park, he did nothing. And arlong had control of namis village and had his crew terrorize other nearby islands for between 5 and 10 years. That was more than enough time for jinbei to do anything, he was already a warlord and had the authority to do something, and he was the inheritors of the sun pirates so he had the duty to do something and he didn't.
I can fully understand sanji not forgiving him.
@Rehan Choudry while yes sanji is a simple for nami, he also is from a family of literal nazis, and knows what it's like to be treated as less than a person, and he loves nami, and knowing jinbei could have stopped her from going through being less than a person to the point of wishing she could die, of course he wouldn't forgive him. It's the simple saying, the only necessary thing for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. And jinbei did nothing, which directly led to the suffering of the person he legitimately cares for most
@@HovektheArtist first. I was already very aware of everything that's sanji has been through. Second. Quite a long comment right here however somewhat fortunately I'm one of the very few individuals on the internet/Online that's willing read long comments as long as there not too long
@@HovektheArtist third. I understand that he got upset on nami behalf Although that was a necessary Cuz it's not for anyone else to decide to forgive them or not that's up to that individual literally no one else unless that individual also happens to be a Direct victim as well somehow?
@@HovektheArtist Fourth. To be on more of a logical accurate point. Would be better to say not surprised at all each & every one of the Straw hat crew members care about each other very much no matter how many times do they get into arguments or make such crude vulgar jokes about one another however when comes to sanji he's a Total simp. Not just one of the biggest simps in One Piece probably the biggest however also one of biggest simps in
Anime/Manga History ( Although even I'll admit that compared to a lot of others out there he's one of the ones that's more on the badass side )
"Almost certainly deceased Don Krieg." Show's up in a panel immediately after. Lol.
About how Jinbei found the crew in Wano: I imagine that he got to Wano and waited in the water until he heard them. Whale sharks have the largest inner ear structure on earth and while we don't know what they actually can hear, some whales have been noted to be able to hear for thousands of miles underwater. The Sunny, like all ships, would have it's own specific acoustic properties in regard to how the ship resonates, more so because it's made from such rare material and with such unique features, any of the sounds from the wood creaking to the wind thrumping the sails, feet drumming the deck, the cola fuel pumping, and potentially even the voices of the crew could be transmitted through the hull and into the water where Jinbei could recognize them by the sound and come swimming from miles away. Not to mention the sea battle at the time which I imagine would have been pretty loud and noticeable underwater for anyone I don't think there would have been any other reason for a sea battle atop Wano at the time except for the straw hats.
Jinbei rocks that Hawaiian shirt ngl. Sanji just looks like a lame-ish tourist in it
"Don Krieg is most certainly dead" well that didn't age well.
short answer: jinbei is a charismatic ball of love, thats why everyone loves him
Jinbei left Arlong to run wild, is stealing the girls, stole the number 3 bountywise, and his seraphim also almost hurt Nami. No wonder Sanji hates him
@@rehanchoudry-bh1wy I never said it made sense. I just get why would sanji hate him
I'm convinced that the real reason Sanji hates Jimbei is that, in Sanji's mind, Jimbei keeps cockblocking him
Jimbei wears everything well, and he is rockin that Hawaiian outfit like a king
sanji and zoros rivalry did not start with the "small fry" thing. it started in little garden with their hunting contest
Everyone has debates, everyone has disagreements... But we can all agree Oda is a genius.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Jinbe brings the same kind of Dad-Energy that Brook did when he first joined. In as much as both of them had considerable years of experience under their belt.
...in fact, I could even see a scene in the future where Jinbe's around for Luffy meeting up with Dragon...and suddenly our favorite fishman friend has a Yondu moment.
Sanji: Your actions involuntarily made Nami cry!!!
Jinbie: Sanji... If I had not released Arlong... you would have never met Nami.
*Sanji shocked expression*
Never thought Sanji didn't like Jinbei, they just hardly talk on screen and it happens that every time they do, Sanji is in his over the top mod lol
I love Sanji but man Jinbei is so polite that when Sanji try to bully him it's painful 😖
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he isnt knocked out of the monster trio, he wont be. anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the story
Wow, I didn't think it was possible for me to discover new things about older One Piece content. I really enjoyed this new insight and look forward to see how Oda develops it more in the story! I'd love to see more videos like this!
This video makes sanji vs jimbaby so much more hype
Jinbe: Hi-diddly-ho, Sanji-rino!
Sanji: Up yours, shark-lips!
Jinbe: Okily dokily.
Flanders Jinbe
The build up of Jinbei being a villain, could easily be explained away by the person who gave the information, back when dealing with Arlong, never actually left the East Blue, and therefore only hears things on the grape vine. And if you ever played a game of telephone with your friends, you should know how quickly information gets distorted, the more it is passed along by word of mouth.
So High Bounty + Distorted Word of Mouth = unknowingly providing misinformation about Jinbei.
Sanji putting on his Grunkle Stan impression, "Finally! A good reason to kick a teenager!"
Well explained! When I saw Sanji attack S Shark, I was wondering where all that aggression originated.
This Video is Brilliant. Bravo you've really out done yourself. Absolutely love being shown a dynamic i hadn't quite yet fully picked up on.
Jinbei isn't aware that Sanji hates him? How. At Fishman Island Sanji told Jinbei that, if he was sorry about what happened at Nami's village he should oof himself.
Can you imagine if Jinbei is the one that finds the All Blue before Sanji?
I am fine with the strawhats having discourse in their relationships, but I hope this doesn’t become something that the fandom starts to resent sanji for. People already give him so much shit for being the dump for Oda’s perv jokes. Sanji is such a fantastic character with an incredible amount of depth, more than the rest of the crew I would say- but I think he’s one of ODA’S favorites to play with so he gets saddled with a lot of character experimentation that I think causes people to go up and down with their perception of him depending on how the moment hits. Which to me is the unfortunate risk and tragedy of him, because I find him to be the most incredible strawhat aside from Luffy. (No doubt because he has so many layers and is the perfect middle between serious loyalty and comedy. (He’s a sweetheart but also a doofus.)
Sanji has a lot of self worth issues and I can definitely see this blowing up for some of the audience when combined with Sanji’s overplayed womanizing. But deeper than that womanizing is an incredible amount of kindness- Sanji is a caretaker at heart with good intentions, and has always taken it upon himself to shoulder the weaker of the crew on multiple occasions, especially Nami, so people that hurt his friends get a lot of scorn from him. His overprotectiveness combined with the insecurity that he could be replaceable or inadequate could be messy.
Great video topic! Even with how closely I've been reading the series these past few years, this is a dynamic that I totally missed, so I really do feel like I've learned something new and interesting about these characters that adds some depth
Because Jimbei exerts "BIG DADDY" energy.
Never really noticed they had this type of dynamics. But it indeed made the whole crew's overall relationship a lot more interesting since it poses some realism on it. Not just a typicall friendship forever or rivalry relationship. I love Oda
I just woke up from a dream where Namis Navy mom is still alive and has been secretly following Nami. The only one who knew was Usopp.😂
Imagine if it gets real lol
This is a subplot that i was very very very very very very oblivious to, like I didn't realize any of this until this video.
This is a GREAT video.
Same. As soon as Liam started explaining it made click in my head.
Jinbei has so much charisma from a lot of years of experience and is a very humble being!! Sanji is a simp maybe too much of it which makes him annoying but he is still a very kind person. I don't wanna compare both of them but my heart goes to Jinbei.
I love when Jimbei stole Sanji’s thunder in Wano. It was hilarious.
Also I think it should be noted that Sanji’s eyebrow switched when he started fighting S-Shark. I feel like Oda was trying to make us concerned about Sanji’s humanity status, so he was more brutal with his words.
Another thing to note is that *despite* that, he does nothing but tank S-Shark’s punches, which is very interesting. Is it for Nami’s sake, who doesn’t want to see a child be hurt?
Jinbe not killing Arlong just shows us our actions have conequences. How different would one piece play out if Jimbe killed Arlong instead of sparing him. Will Sanji snap and challenge Jimbe to fight for Nami's honor? Also Jimbe looks better in the Hawaiian shirt.
Well, Sanji let germa loose, and German's pillaging of several countries makes arlong look likw a Saint. So what about that. Does this make Sanji even worse than jimbei, because jimbei didn't exactly know what arlong was going to do after being freed, but in contrast Sanji knew germa would go back to be a group of assassins after being saved. This makes Sanji even worse than jimbei, if sanji's choice is played out as KINDNESSES, why isn't jimbei's, and arlong and jimbei were sworn brothers until he left the sun pirates.
This is sort of like the zoro robin dynamic before ennies lobby. Since robin became a member not through luffy's decision but her own, zoro didn't see her as a true member. He would constantly remind her of his distrust and how he just tolerates her for luffy. This is why zoro openly stated to nami that if push comes to shove, he would kill her without hesitation. But of course, when everything was revealed zoro finally considered her a member, iirc there was even a scene where he felt regret for the actions he wouldve done if he didnt know.
I wish there will be a time Sanji need to realize what is the purpose of what Jinbei meant before the final war starts
It's obscure yet oddly insightful shit like this that really makes me love this channel
I love how people say "Viz is the more accurate translation of the story" then proceeds to always show examples of how it is not. Like Nami's boobs thing.
I guess it's a good thing that Sanji and Jinbe were physically separated for most of Whole Cake. Imagine if Pudding ended up getting along with Jinbe too after she fell for Sanji.
Sanji thought jimbei was from the All Blue
im now calling kid sanji a sanjling and no one can stop me
Sanji would have lost his shit if he saw Nami riding around Jimbei's shoulders in Whole Cake Chateau
Will Sanji not Hate Jumbei after the S shark fight? Will this fight remove all this animosity Sanji hold towards Jimbei?
This video is why One Piece is a masterpiece! Maybe it is just because there is so many chapters, but there are so many smaller interactions going on in this story. One could completely forget the over all story and get lost in these smaller interactions.
Oh yeah Jinbei is killing it with the Hawaiian Shirt
It's not that he hates him, he just thinks he'd better serve the Strawhats in a California roll
8:10 the image of jinbe holding a mecha-Koopa is so good
This is why Sanji is so great. Wears his heart on his sleeve
Jimbei: breaths rizz
Sanji: fumbled his one and only chance, Pudding
7:00 pretty sure Sanji is just being Tsundere
This entire storyline went over my head completely. Great video as usual 🙏
I absolutely 100 percent believe Jinbei “big boss” could absolutely pull a mr steal yo girl on sanji 😂😂😂😂 Jinbei got the sauce yall. 😂😂
Jinbei and sanji are my two favorite characters in the series lol
I wouldn’t say Sanji hates jimbei but I feel likes it’s similar to brothers and sisters they hate eachother but they’re also crew mates
yet you still have each other's back.
7:00 don't see this as begrudgingly, more him actually being more respectful that Jinbei has an important duty.
Like how Sanji and Zoro occasionally have trusting hate/love moments like when Sanji trusted Zoro to kill him if he became someone else due to his biological awakening, not Luffy or anyone else he trusts but ZORO.
Here’s the thing with zoro v sanji. After he and sanji fought, when they defeated arlong and they partied, sanji asked zoro if he was ok. It really started when sanji first got the name “moss head” in his head. It was during alabasta/arabasta when they were on the crab….
I know it’s unrelated to the video but I thought y’all would want to know…
Me two hours ago, about to get to work and looking for a video to listen to: hmm, let's watch GLR.
GLR: no new video.
I finish up the work and look back at UA-cam and see a new GLR video: I may have been too early, but now I have it and it's beautiful.
Sanji telling Jinbe to kill himself is the reason why he and Nami could never work as a couple. Sanji assumed he knew what Nami wanted but couldn't have been more wrong. It was further reinforced during Whole Cake Island when Sanji pretended to want nothing to do with the Straw Hats. Nami took his actions at face value, but Luffy could see through his lies.
Also Jinbe wore the Hawaiian shirt better.
@Let him cook you mean nami or sanji iam confused
This was a great video. I used to love your content and for some reason I started falling off of it. But videos like this is what I missed the most!
i like Jimbei a lot, it's impossible not to, but if it's him or Sanji, ill always be on Sanji's side.
God, I love these 'has no concept about' or 'formed a healthy relationship with female characters', both of which Liam uses TWICE during the video
These lexical constructions brings me much enjoyment indeed