I’ve been touring Europe for forty years on mostly Hondas. Never had a breakdown. I did grind to a halt one year on a BMW with a broken gearbox and that gave me a world of pain. Right now I’m sticking with the brand I know and has served me well. I look forward to your reviews with these bikes and stay open minded to the results. I hope they perform as well as you hope 🙂✌🏻
I’m on my second Voge, traded my 2 1/2 year old 650 for the 900. The part ex value of the 650 was confidence inspiring, I was amazed expecting the value to have dropped through the floor but to it’s credit, having been ridden through 30 months of all weathers it scrubbed up well and with little if any rust spots. The 650 took me back to traditional motorcycling, big single thumper that pulled like a John Deere tractor on steroids at 3000 rpm plus, it was great fun and nothing, yes nothing failed. I’ve done 400 miles on the 900, then gone has yet to have the first service but I can tell you it is seriously responsive and in Sport mode it flies. For those that are hesitant, I am old enough to remember when S Hoinda invaded the UK motorcycle market, we scoffed but the smirk was quickly wiped off our faces and of course the rest is history. Voge is the new Honda. Engineering qualities are equal to anything from Europe and Japan…in my opinion. I stripped the 650 and was seriously impressed, other than greasing the spindles etc, there was nothing I could find fault with, hence my upgrade to the 900 with which I have no regrets whatsoever. In 60 years of motorcycling I’ve ridden most brands, BMW’s especially and the 900 is up there with the rest as far as quality and value for money is concerned. I have a Yamaha World raid also, remapped and is such a delight to ride, ultra smooth and the power delivery is (now) superb…..but it doesn’t excite anything like as much as the 900. Both similar in style, both from the land where rice is the staple food, speak with similar a tongue but otherwise they are chalk and cheese. Looking forward to your future videos.
@@andycapp3867 you cannot beat a genuine owners review to get a feel of how a bike stands up over time. I also ride my Tiger through the winter and it still looks good. It’s all about cleaning it once a week, some polish and maintenance.😀
We did ask but we are not allowed to take them out of the country for insurance reasons. Perhaps Voge in Europe will sort us some bikes out for a real on the road adventure...
Hi both as a 73yr old and more bikes than I can remember... I recently bought a voge DS525X and its a perfect downsize from suzuki vstrom 1050 / 650 ....did 600 miles in first week of owning 525 aaaaaamazzzzing value best wishes guys...
@ontheroadadventure only had the bike 3weeks had first service.600...now... 700miles done...zero problems... its well made and comfy.. fast enough light to ride handles well ....I feel it will be good but in all honesty time will tell....my mates got same bike 1200 plus miles, no issues....
I bought a new bmw K1600gtle earlier this year, with 7 miles on the clock. 16 miles later, it needed a full engine replacement. Proving that any bike can fail. Confidence in a brand is earned, and it's early days how these bikes will cope with the British weather and road conditions. Customer service/after sales will play a key role in the bikes success here also. It's not all about cost!!!!! Best of luck, and happy riding
From what I can see from your video you’re going to answering a lot of the questions I and others have. One more thing I’d like to know is what fuel range you get from the 17 litre tank. Surprised how small it is. Enjoy your adventure and look forward to watching more videos
In history development of products has been done by copying then improving and selling for a more competitive price. U tube and media will do more for these newcomers than any advertising campaign. Real users real people not models. So looking fwd to this. So glad they recognise the benefit you will bring to the brand. Congrats GBMoto. And congrats to you two too. Futures bright. You will be with all the other vloggers in spain
Thanks so much Volt, we are very happy they value our opinion and honesty and I think they show confidence in their product giving us two knowing the miles we ride…
I took a gamble with the CF Moto 3yrs with the 650 MT. And I love it . I've done over 13,000 miles touring Ireland Scotland & Wales. And she's never let me down No issues whatsoever. I took the first test ride of the Voge 900 in northern Ireland and have to say wow amazing Tec and a fantastic bike . Unlike CF Moto . They seem to be having trouble with distributing the bikes.northern Ireland only has 2 bikes and I'm told there's No More until next year? So what does this mean for parts servicing warranty? That said the bike looks feels & ride brilliantly. Not one issue or bad point on the test ride other than setting everything to my own linking and feel. It's better than the new triumph Tiger 900. And dare I say the CF Moto 800 explorer.-
Nice looking bikes no doubt, but I have a mate who bought a Bennelli and literally watched it rust in front of him. Everything is nice and shiny when new but after a 6 month period I’d like to see how they fair out. I’d be a little concerned that all those extras are to disguise that the bike itself isn’t gonna stand the test of time. Hopefully it will 👍 Have a 97 blackbird that looks like it came off the production line yesterday. Hopefully that quality is here too. Good luck with the test guys 👍
Great video. Only came across you 2 today but it’s a refreshing change to see a nice couple giving honest views. I’m more into sports tourers but to be honest for the price , that bike looks pretty good. Will be interesting to find out if comes with different seat heights etc.
Proud owner of a dsx900 from June. After the 4.4 update i feel i have a total different bike in terms of performance. Everything is much smoother now and especially the bubbling at low rpm. Hope this bike to be reliable . Only time will answer this question though. Cheers from Athens ,Greece. Ride safe !!!!
Other manufacturers should be worried as they ain’t offering anything close at this price. You will get the usual ones saying “wouldn’t have one Chinese “ but the phone and TV and house hold appliances are all Chinese 🤔😂
Loads of stuff made in China. I'm sure i saw a KTM review and the bike was made in China, some motor car parts for big brands like the VW group made in China
@@ontheroadadventure made in China doesn't mean developed in China. The engine in the Voge is developed in cooperation with BMW. But do you really think the engine is of the same standards and materials as the BMW? They are not stupid.. The same is with cars. Renault and Mercedes share development costs. But the engine in a Mercedes is not a Renault and visa versa. Otherwise nobody would buy a Mercedes anymore 😅
Usually Chinese collaborations with traditional brands have the latter protecting their reputation by having their own quality control standards implemented. I'd definitely need to be assured of that. I can recall, not too many years ago, the QC of Mash leading to incorrect CC badges on their bikes......
A mate of mine has a Voge 900 and he loves it . Cheap and good looking . I took it for a run on Sunday and wow was surprised very nice . Power looks at a price and the equipment level has to be a serious consideration. Remember back in the day when Japan took the markets by storm well the Chinese are now doing the same . Great stream thanks . 👍👍👍
It’s a great machine so far, if they can stand the test of time and high miles then they are without doubt the future…. BUT they need to be ridden to high mileage and proven
I bought a CFmoto 800MT and can't praise it enough. The very fact that most dealers now have them on back order until next March because they sold them all is a good thing for the Voge because people will view the Voge in the same light and snap them all up instead of waiting for a CFmoto. They're both fantastic value bikes and if you're worried about depreciation just look at so called "Premium" manufacturers and see what you will drop on them.....ridiculous. I bought my CFmoto on a 3 yr PCP with 2.5% finance and a 62% residual value at the end whilst being covered with a 4 year warranty. How can you beat that....Go and buy a Voge and don't worry about it plenty have been using the 900 on the continent for a year already, we are just a bit late to the party.
For 9k it’s a no brainer. BMW in disguise, great marketing on these tough times. The top manufacturers should be definitely looking over their shoulder
I’m seriously considering buying one but what are service costs and service periods. Are there actual deals to be done paying cash irrespective of how cheap they are. Other than that they appear bargain of the year or is it a true price of a bike and others are over charging
Totally agree with people perceptions of brands, especially Chinese. I’ve just got my winter bike, CF Moto NK 650, so impressed so far with what has come equipped with it for the price, Build quality and ease to work on, and how good it’s been so far to ride. People forget CF Moto is a huge Chinese brand, and they in partnership with KTM, and the JJ Juan brakes are actually owned by brembo these days. Haven’t found any issues so far with parts. One day I’ll get a proper adventure bike, but 820 seat night and I wouldn’t touch the ground 😂😂
I'd buy one right now if they had these in the US. So far, nothing. I look forward to your long term review. Have fun and I hope the weather stays nice for you!
Bmw Engine, Brembo Brakes, Kayaba suspension, who have been Kawasakis suspension since atleast the 80:s if not 70:s.... Yeah, this is a no brainer. Absolute 100% bang for your buck. I will buy a soon ad they turn up in Sweden👍
Hi, I have the BMW F900xr. Same engine as the voge.I travel up and down the mountain to and from Ronda in Southern Spain regularly and have never had an issue. Can’t speak for the rest of the bike but the engine is a peach. Really enjoy your tubes? Even a NOS like me (64) especially the touring and camping ones. All the best.
I'd say (and I'll get some stick for saying this) it is a premium bike its just not a premium price. If that had a different badge on it and twice the price they'd be saying it is. I'm done with bike snobbery, it looks a cracking machine and half the price of another manufacturer with the dame spec. Seen 3 or 4 of your vids and i think your chemistry is spot on. You remind me of my Polish girlfriend..she makes me laugh, wish she'd ride a bike.
Interesting video. I’ve had most of the big brand bikes but will def check these out when I want to change. Also CF Moto. The single biggest factor for me now is a dealer reasonably close who isn’t likely to go bust, especially if I buy a new/warranty bike. Dealers are dropping like flies.
@@ontheroadadventure Thanks will take a look as I often go down the same routes. I should have gone out today, looking at the forecast for tomorrow. Keep well guys
Rich & Ewa. Another great video. I really appreciate your honest and down to earth approach. Reluctantly, I have to confess that the bikes look really good. Cynics such as myself may find the Voge ownership proposition more tempting given that these bikes allegedly share many of the same components as other “premium brands”. Having worked for many years at THE premium 4x4 manufacturer I know the importance of parts quality and warranty history! In other words, the more carry over parts (with a good warranty provenance) the easier it’ll be for customers to trade Brand Loyalty for a lower cost item! That said, I’m a little sceptical that BMW would have paid for the tooling for major components only to make them available to competitors?? Anyway, offer a 3yr no-quibble warranty on the Voge and it’ll fly off the shelves! Just a shame it ain’t British!
Cracking video Rich and Ewa. For me personally it comes down to brand trust. I’m a self confessed BMW man and have had no issues at dealer level when things go wrong. However, as you said Rich I would strongly consider this in the future. I’m getting Tiger vibes from the side on views. Looking forward to seeing more on the Voge 👍
@@ontheroadadventure possibly pal. But remember that there are brand snobs out there. The Ducati Multi-strapon riders for example! 😂 Shaft drive Voge for the win!
Great video! So pleased that you both got a Voge to test for a while at least. You really are the best for testing it and providing an honest review. Now I know you both have a bike to test and the question will be who's the passenger but my question is can you please assess the bike for two-up riding with the luggage fitted. Please check the leg room for the passenger and if you have to slacken the drive chain because of the extra weight. Comfort and ease of getting on the bike would be appreciated. Ride safe Andy & Lyn. LYB.
I want to buy an adventure bike for 2025. As big BMW fan, I looked at the R 1300 GS and GS/A . No, not really mine.Then the f 900 GS /A and yes already rather. But the way I would like them, it's around 20.000 € here in Germany with everything that goes with it. And now I accidentally came across the vote ds 900 x and fell immediately in love with it. And then of course only in black and gold.😍🤩 I think since this machine costs half the BMW I will give it to myself for my birthday and Christmas. My birthday is just before Christmas.
It would be interesting if a BMW fan had a Voge for a few months and then gave us an UNBIASED & honest review! (If there are any unbiased BMW owners!!)
2 year's ago I purchased ( bought not PCP) brand new Chinese car, it came with a 7 year warranty, so far it's been ultra reliable, and although my Thruxton is a British brand, it' was probably manufactured in Thailand, again no issues but it is just a Sunday bike
£14k for a brand new car, the Chinese will establish themselves in the bike world, just look at Royal Enfield, who'd have thought an Indian brand we be so popular
Looking forward to your longer review of this bike should be interesting. I bought a Chinese built ktm 790 adventure had it just about a year couple of minor issues but on the whole superb, off to Spain on it with the mrs next week fully loaded can’t wait 👍, I honestly believe my Chinese built bike is better than two of my friends Austrian 890s and I saved 3k , have fun you two are awesome.
Firstly, thanks for all your time you're putting in to delivering us with loads of information and these bikes . America is banning a lot of china's imports, and bikes are one of them . Should we be concerned . Susan
Nice video both, I had the 500DSX from Voge and loved it. I did lose a lot come sale time but as a of the bike. In absolute terms I lost £2k which as you said at the end is a lot less than most BMW owners...
Hi guys, does the switch gear light up? i think it is a real nice looking bike and i would have no issue in having one. i have Triumph tiger 1200 gt pro. what about service intervals and dealers? I do love my bike, but it is a heavy beast and i was looking at reverting back to the 900 gt pro, but this VOGE has got my cogs ticking.
I had the 900 GT pro and I would put this bike on par with it for sure… I’m not sure about the switch gear we are wrapped up in our tent right now but I will check for you and tell you in another episode soon
If you drop it and damage the hand guards wing mirror and dented the pannier, what is the spares availability like. What insurance group are they? How tough is that brake fluid resivoir
Hi Guys, i had the Benelli 502. nothing wrong with it, I just couldn't get on with the weight and high centre of gravity, being over 60 lol. Love what you do.🏍🏍🏍
Great vids again! My main concern on brands like Voge is the dealer network, how many dealers do they have, and if there would be a dealer near me… for most people I guess all the main Japanese, Italian, and German brands would be maybe in a 50 mile radius… also most new bikes are sold on PCP, the value of bike then is irrelevant if the monthly is same as more premium brands…. Lastly many people love their brand due to their long heritage and racing history, many see the Chinese as just copying designs and tech at lower prices due to their much lower labour rates and gov help….. no doubt they will increase share in market, but I love my bikes, and not sure these are for me….
I've owned a number of bikes including an Africa Twin ( brilliant bike) and now a BMW GS 1250. I have to say this does look like a bargain. As you say, the main concern is reliability... the old adidge ( if its too good to be true......) however this genuinly looks like a bargain. My questions are 1) how long is the manufactures warranty 2) BMW offer an extended warranty after 3 years... do Voge offer this and if so how much does this cost and what are the conditions ( limited mileage) 3) How do they handle on and off road in comparison to the Africa Twin Can I also take this opportunity to thank you both, your videos are great and you manage to edit them so quickly. ( and I know editing is so time consuming) keep up the great work.
Thanks so much, We appreciate your comments so much. 1. I Believe its two years standard warranty, 2.... Ive no idea but will try to find out... 3. On road i would say the handling is better, the suspension and Steering damper makes this bike feel far more expensive than it should do... We are Very impressed with how it rides... Off road, well its not really designed for that, But we will do our best to test it out! see you in the next one
Hi Eva and Rich, I am old enough to remember the Japanese invasion.. There was a lot of British is best etc.. I think that the Japanese was a more inventive.. They produced great smaller capacity bikes where we wasn't.. Like the Honda 90 cub.. Reliable, cheap to run etc.. Great dealer back up and parts.. So to dismiss Chinese makes is stupid. Apple phones are made in China.. Expensive.. Like Eva I was told items can be made for various manufacturers in the same factory. So I decided to buy a unknown Chinese mobile phone.. Brilliant.. No issues, and 90% cheaper than a apple.. For me, like most people I guess, are open minded, with questions over dealer backup, parts availability etc.. Im on my 2nd Tracer 9, which I love.. Would I swap? Like Rich atm no, but in the future once more established? Possibly.. Great review guys.. Look forward to the next one
@@ontheroadadventure Just as a add on.. Just checked out of curiosity where my nearest vorge dealer is.. 50 miles away, which is a disadvantage obviously.. But I would not be surprised if the dealer network expands quickly..
Why do you need them? As long as parts are available online to order any vat registered Bike mechanic can service your bike, if he's ever worked on a bmw parallel twin he will know this bike inside out...
I sat on one of these bikes at a motorcycle show and it felt great, I can't pull myself round to buying one because things like the KTM 790 cam chain fail at 20,000 miles with an Chinese engine.
Now I understand your appreciation… I owned a KTM from new for a grand total of ten days. It had so many failures I managed to get a refund on it as unfit for purpose. HOWEVER… this is not made by KTM/CFmoto, it is made by loncin who is the manufacturer of about 60% of the parts including the engine of the BMW F series
Bike looks nice and with all the extras on it well worth a look and test ride my only concern is getting parts if something was to go wrong in Europe when doing a tour
The bikes have been available for some time in Europe and so there’s plenty of dealers available. In the UK MotoGB has a massive warehouse we assume are full of the parts for the bikes they are selling… we will investigate this…
Also did email motogp. About parts. Had the parts diagrams. But not all prices there. They said if they not used them parts prices not be there. Also priced up the luggage and racks for this. Comes to about £1700. So pretty good. 😊
hi guys I.living in Italy I had the voge 500 dsx.for 2 years did all sorts of riding light trails touring and have to say never had a problem great bike no problem with fittings or finish Now I went to buy a Honda cb500x so the voge the basic Honda €7999 the voge 5999 fully loaded great value but and there is a but parts availability is not good even here and the voge is popular here and they don't hold there value but I couldn't fault the bike I sold it privately and got myself a Honda nc 750 purely because of the back up you get Used to live in the lake district moved to southern Italy 4 years ago see you later Derek
If parts are a problem now, what about in 5 or 10 years. How long do Voge guarantee part supply for? That's what l'd like to know & that's something l'd never had to think about before with the big 4 Japanese bikes l've owned.
Hi Guys, this new Voge 900 looks very tempting with all the gear that is std. and performance more than quick enough. Here are my questions: 1. At touring speeds what fuel consumption is it giving? 2. I believe Moto GB is the UK importer and as such responsible for spare parts supply, so how much have they invested in spare parts to ensure speedy supply? Does Moto GB have a computer system linked with Voge/Lonsin in China to be able to order parts quickly and more important, do they have contractual relationship whereby they can order parts and have them air-freighted to the UK, so when parts are required the UK dealers and their customers ARE NOT left high-and-dry ?
You're both looking more refreshed. I presume not sleeping in a tent has helped somewhat. 😁😉 The leaders in any market do seem to become complacent over time. I've never rated BMW as value for money and their reliability has never been good - you don't want to own a BMW that's out of warranty. As such, I don't particularly see this as a BMW comparison as they've always been overpriced, it just confirms they are overpriced. Although most bikes are now built to a price, over the years it's been very annoying that basics, such as centre stands, huggers, etc, are now expensive optional extras. I think this is to support the dealers profits .The new boys on the block are right to see this as a weakness and take advantage by providing them as standard. It's cheaper to fit them on the production line than store, ship, and fit as an optional extra. Hopefully the established brands will wake up to this soon.
So you liked them before so of course they are going to give you more time on the bikes,I like the review but get on the bmw and see that you make of those …. There will always be a market for Bentley and rolls Royce same with bikes. Great content as always
A fair point but it does show confidence in their product, we have no reason to be kind to Motogb or these bikes, if they are shit or if they break as we put miles on them we will show you… it’s all we can do
This is such a good review because as you have been saying these bikes are so very cheap but on the surface look very good quality, very good so unless you're very unlucky you could ride this bike for a couple of years do a lot of touring and get 3k for it trading in 2/3 years down the line how good would that be bargain the kit you get on this bike for 9k no brainer, brilliant love 💕 it, also just want to say you guys do fantastic videos first class keep up the brilliant work and thank you 😊
Thanks so much! Most people can lose 9k on a new Beemer for example in depreciation over a year or two of riding making this this almost disposable at a year old anyway!
I often hear the Chinese vs early Japanese reliability comparison, but by the late 1950’s Japanese bikes had a reputation for better build quality and reliability than British and US models. By 1962 Honda's R & D department was at least six times larger than that of America's largest motorcycle manufacturer. I’m nearly 60 and from early childhood memories in the 1970’s Japanese were the bikes to own. There’s a fascinating video on Honda motorcycle production in the 60’s on UA-cam
I’m seriously considering one of these, my biggest concern is dealer and importer support. There seems to be some queries/ questions about software updates regarding snatchy throttle etc. I’m not a beginner and have owned a Tiger 900 GT Pro, Ducati Multistrada 1200s and a BMW 1250 GS all in the last 3 years.
buying one wouldn’t worry me but if I toured in Europe, do they have dealer coverage etc. the warranty is useless if there is no one in that country with spares to to fix it.
I'm on my second Toyota car, the first one was very reliable and overall a good car. But my second one I'm not do sure about, but that could be down to the previous owner who apparently lived near the sea and further north, colder and sea air. It's got some rust problems underneath, brake pipes etc. But I guess that's the problem of buying secondhand, i brought from a local Toyota dealer and i didn't know the owner was from another area. I've seen some people saying Honda & Toyota have been living on their past glory, reputation. Which said my cars 1340 cc petrol engine produced to high emissions, so removed from best buy. Who knows, but what are the other choices. I see other brands negative comments on reliability surveys. Very interesting video, I guess this is why the US is scared of China
Great review and really valid points. The traditional big manufacturers will lose their way. Look at the cost of a Suzuki or Honda fittend centrestand or heated grips. Im led to believe many now chargse for the fitment to the new bike as well. I have an Africa Twin adv sports. If the voge was around in 2021, yes, i would have bought it. Keep the reviews coming, and the cake looked amazing!
Mike we agree.... Theres no way i can afford or Justify 18k on a New ATAS when this is 50% the cost... Thats a amount of money that makes it a easy decision
Awesome on you both for jumping on the Chinese wagon, ive had my zontes u1 2 and a half yrs now and no issues with it at all, ive passed my theory test and awaiting to do my mod1 and 2, ive got my eye on the new zontes 703 when that comes out its the same power and 200cc less than voge and looks pretty cool to me, the prices are soo much more inviting than honda, bmw etc even when the time comes im tempted to sell my lancer and put the money straight to the zontes as my partner isnt bothered about a car and ive had my fun with 400bhp as a daily driver haha now time for a different vibe 😎😎
@ontheroadadventure that's the way forward be alot cheap on running costs and like you said in the video the resale value loss is mental on the big brand bikes, good luck in the new venture, be sure to check out the new 703 zontes when it comes out next month I think, it's a 3 cylinder and sounds great from what I've seen on here
@ontheroadadventure that's the only way to be bud, I love how genuine you guys are compared to the paid to do only good reviews people are you can tell they just lie through their teeth haha having to actually think about what they are going to say lol
I have terrible brand loyalty, on my second BMW F bike (750 GS, and now 850 GS), my car, BMW M140i. I suspect you guys are the same with your Honda's. As you mentioned, what about back-up when something goes wrong, how long do parts take to arrive? Tonight (Thursday), I have ordered some brake parts from BMW Cotswolds (the BMW car club I am a member of gets you some nice discounts). They didn't have one part in stock, but it will be delivered on Saturday, to Cotswolds and posted out to me the same day. How many service centres do Voge UK, have? I see 20, and if you live above Harrowgate, North Yorkshire, you're out of luck. I suspect that these bikes, are being sold as a lost leader, the prices will go up once they establish a foothold. But we will see! I will maybe give it 5 years to see how it goes. Hopefully, Voge will give you a couple of bikes, so that you can go off around the world exploring and document the reliability of the these bike, plus £50K a year each! Just a thought, Voge UK 🙂. All the best you two, and thanks for the videos!
I agree with you both. They appear to be ok. I'm a bit of a tight arze, so I would be looking at it if I were to be in the market. You can do a lot of pre paid riding, fixes or parts for 9 gran. You can easily buy what you think is the right bike but still have troubles. Result. If we're to be in the market i would definitely give this consideration.
Yes agreed, our Hondas have not been without issue… in fact I have had dozens of different motorcycles and each one at some point has had a problem or needed a replacement part when you think about it….
Voge would be smart to give you two those bikes, what a credit you would be to them if you were the ones to prove those bikes are as good as your Hondas
Great viewing as always. I’m seriously considering one of these and of course have concerns re dealer support, parts availability etc. No doubt there’ll be some of these bikes that have faults, perhaps some might be major. But really, it must be a similar probability for most bikes. So that aside, I’m just interested in how these ride compared to others similar in their class like the KTM 790/890, the Benelli TRK, or even (dare I say it) the Africa Twin. Cheers. 🙏
Well we ride Africa twins and I have reviews on the benelli’s already so our opinion should answer some questions for you. Of course the KTM 890 is much lighter and more off road oriented but they have a terrible reliability reputation… You can see my own ownership experience of that on the channel… mine lasted ten days only!
@@ontheroadadventure Thanks guys. Yes I’ve watched with interest your vids on the Benelli and the KTM. I’ve also fallen foul of owning a KTM, never again. I currently own a Benelli 702X and very happy with it. I just fancy something with a bit more oomph… keep up the great work cheers.
I have a 1250 GS but I tell you, if that gets stolen or something I'd definitely go for the Voge. I used to have the bmw F750 GS with exactly the same chinese engine and it was bombproof. I just found the 1250 boxer a wee bit better balanced and nicer to ride.
@ontheroadadventure Not only does BMW have to worry but Triumph,the Japs and italians should be sweating too. At last the chinese (and Indians) are giving us what we want.
I have a sneaky suspicion you will end up with the bikes. I don't blame you if you do. I am a huge BMW fan I have a GS 1300 and the latest S1000RR those bikes are every bit as good. Will keep watching to see what happens all the best
(12:27) its the same here in the US. O.E.M. parts, come off ships, and marked as "made in the USA" and sold as such, at all the dealerships. The bottom line. are people are stupid, and don't research the products, Like Harley Davidson engines, have been made in Italy for the last 6 years. all the clothes, and garments, came off of a ship, and were labeled here in the states.
Cfmoto offer a 4 year warranty would be good if Voge did the same as that would give confidence to buyers. Is there a navigation system or can you broadcast it from your phone
Really interested in this bike but could do with knowing abouts dealerships in the UK and the seat height is it adjustable or is there a smaller seat option great video as always 👍
We will talk about dealer networks and numbers soon once we gather the facts for you. Seat is surprisingly low, we are both flat footed on these both sides I am only 5’7 29inch leg
Just occurred to me…..as the Loncin engine is the same as BMW would BMW dealerships service it? (at their exorbitant price). Also re servicing: have the technicians been trained by Voge? or Loncin?
Well for sure they can and are able... The question is would they? I imagine they want it to be as difficult as possible for Voge owners... I mean why would they make it easy for you to buy the same engine but at half the cost? I imagine a service at BMW dealership would be mad expensive anyway, id take it to any normal Decent VAT registered motorcycle mechanic to maintain my warranty
(1:42) when I look at the bikes, (in general), I always want to know about replacement parts, tires, aftermarket parts, as here in the USA, this Voge are not here yet, but they have the CF MOTO 800 T & MT (as I believe is the same or a sister company under KTM). as replacement parts like oil filter are the same as KTM 790. and again, the price here compared to the KTM, is 13K, to 10,300 USD. What I'm seeing in the states is, (Looking on ride Zilla) aftermarket parts stores, that you cannot buy a matching set of tires. & they offer only one type of saddle bag, as hard packs. for an extra 900 dollars. (Most bike shops here in the USA. do not have them on their listing under brand names) It's almost like they are not getting a warm welcome here.
Good video. Parts would be my concern? Maybe in uk its ok but rest of europe etc? Need to ask the retailer! Have to say nice looking bike and love the black. Would i buy one? Depends on the answers to the above. Ewa looks much more at home on it, like it fits her perfect.
Parts in Europe will be even easier than here, it’s been available in Europe for some time now and is a huge selling bike, you’ll need to wait 3 months pre order in Spain for example
Having been the owner of a CFmoto 700 CLX Adventure bike and having ALL kinds of issues I tend to be in the mind of never touching a Chinese made bike again. However you do make some very good points about treating this bike and company as its own separate entity. I guess for me it just left a very bad taste in my mouth. Having said that, Ewa the black one you are riding looks really really nice, very stylish and better looking than the BMW GS I think. I guess time will tell about reliability , in the meantime I will stick to my Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650 for reliability and longevity. I am interested in what the seat height is on the Voge being vertically challenged?
Currently have the moto morini 650 excape , only time will tell on build quality, .The problem with chinese bikes is people won't commit to buying because of the unknown reliability and build quality so the brands stay low sales . These bikes your testing seem worth a go and the fact they sent you two speaks wo😂nders in my eyes . Off topic I'm currently walking round Venice in my on the road tee, spreading the word
@ontheroadadventure very nice bikes but are they built down to a price ? Or are the other manufacturers ripping us off ? Like you 5 years ago I would never of touched a Chinese bike , rust bucket cheap rubbish . I'm really looking forward to your tests and reviews , think Ewa's in love with the gold and black one 😍
So far we are very impressed by them... Id love to slag it off and moan all day on it but i really am picking at it to try to find fault.... But its only a few days in... Lets see if it fails as we put some miles in. We both like the Black one best!
I would be interested in what it's like for balance around town at low speeds given it has a 21 inch front wheel. Also what are the servicing schedules.
Will be interesting to see your review after a few days, the black one is the dogs! As for spares like many dealers they don’t hold stock, as long as main distributor has a comprehensive stock and can get parts next day, don’t mind that much and is normal these days except for service items which should be in stock. Even my Triumph dealer in Long Eaton is next day for most parts. Do like handles on the luggage, wish my Tiger 800 had these instead of having to buy separate, or make some. Did notice you have an arrow on the gear display, is this for eco riding and tells you when to change up or down. As for Ewa,s comment about a good starter bike, this is completely valid as not everyone has the money for a major brand bike with everything on it for touring, if it performs well could take a big slice of the adventure market.😊
Yes the arrows are to advise you when to change gear for eco riding, you get every thing you see on this bike for 9k, it seems to be a real deal, but we need to see some with real miles on to get customer confidence up
Just saw this in an article this morning: "The U.S. Commerce Department recently proposed rules that would ban vehicles with software and hardware links to China and Russia by model year 2027." So any vehicle that has connectivity to your phone or other device will be banned and we will not see the likes of bikes like this and CF Moto, etc. I wonder if this will effect KTM and BMW as well, knowing that some of their bikes have some Chinese parts that may fall into this category. So, I hope you enjoy them as we yanks soon can't.
They have realised that if successful the Chinese will dominate the market crushing the competition on price and therefore sales resulting in other brands suffering in a big way
@@ontheroadadventure the reviewer on MotechRevolution? Channel did a review and pointed out failings with them... Be good if you could debunk his findings on them
9:12 just a small point on the cycle box at lights, you must stop at the first line on these advance stop line boxes, both you and the car could be given 3 points and £100 fine, which is the penalty for crossing the ASL, OK I admit it's unlikely, but it could be done if a cop felt like a ticket, just something to consider 👍🏻😉
I definitely have close eye on Voge. See how the second hand market looks when these hit in the next few years time. Seeing the cost is low on these bikes definitely has attracting look. But we all dont talk about what insurance group this might be in. Could cost alot to insurance due to not well known and parts if needed is available for insurance companies. 🤔
@@ontheroadadventure Tried to insure my CFmoto 650MT which was only 7k bike at the time and my insurance shot uo 1k+. What insurance told me was that its not well known and they cant guarantee they can fix or replace when it comes to it. Then again, might change from person to person.
Would be great if Voge lent you these for one of your big European trips.
Having ridden them for a few days now we would be confident to take them and do just that… Imagine Voge managing to unseat us from Honda!
I’ve been touring Europe for forty years on mostly Hondas. Never had a breakdown.
I did grind to a halt one year on a BMW with a broken gearbox and that gave me a world of pain.
Right now I’m sticking with the brand I know and has served me well.
I look forward to your reviews with these bikes and stay open minded to the results.
I hope they perform as well as you hope 🙂✌🏻
Now that would be a great idea .
I’m on my second Voge, traded my 2 1/2 year old 650 for the 900. The part ex value of the 650 was confidence inspiring, I was amazed expecting the value to have dropped through the floor but to it’s credit, having been ridden through 30 months of all weathers it scrubbed up well and with little if any rust spots. The 650 took me back to traditional motorcycling, big single thumper that pulled like a John Deere tractor on steroids at 3000 rpm plus, it was great fun and nothing, yes nothing failed.
I’ve done 400 miles on the 900, then gone has yet to have the first service but I can tell you it is seriously responsive and in Sport mode it flies.
For those that are hesitant, I am old enough to remember when S Hoinda invaded the UK motorcycle market, we scoffed but the smirk was quickly wiped off our faces and of course the rest is history.
Voge is the new Honda.
Engineering qualities are equal to anything from Europe and Japan…in my opinion. I stripped the 650 and was seriously impressed, other than greasing the spindles etc, there was nothing I could find fault with, hence my upgrade to the 900 with which I have no regrets whatsoever.
In 60 years of motorcycling I’ve ridden most brands, BMW’s especially and the 900 is up there with the rest as far as quality and value for money is concerned.
I have a Yamaha World raid also, remapped and is such a delight to ride, ultra smooth and the power delivery is (now) superb…..but it doesn’t excite anything like as much as the 900. Both similar in style, both from the land where rice is the staple food, speak with similar a tongue but otherwise they are chalk and cheese.
Looking forward to your future videos.
Thanks for your comments, Feeling allot of love for these voges!
@@andycapp3867 you cannot beat a genuine owners review to get a feel of how a bike stands up over time. I also ride my Tiger through the winter and it still looks good. It’s all about cleaning it once a week, some polish and maintenance.😀
I agree, look after your bike and it will look after you
And how many miles you got on 650?
They both are horrid Chinese bikes
Well done you two, you will test them far better than any magazine we know you’ll be honest
Thanks we will tell you how it is
You’re not a “ beginner,” Ewa: you’ve ridden across Europe! 😊
Exactly, she rides as well as anybody!
Aww thank you ☺️
Your guys are so kind
Her eyes lit up when she said "Let's take them to Stelvio" lolol
We did ask but we are not allowed to take them out of the country for insurance reasons. Perhaps Voge in Europe will sort us some bikes out for a real on the road adventure...
Hi both as a 73yr old and more bikes than I can remember... I recently bought a voge DS525X and its a perfect downsize from suzuki vstrom 1050 / 650 ....did 600 miles in first week of owning 525 aaaaaamazzzzing value best wishes guys...
Amazing, How many miles do you have total on it? any problems yet?
@ontheroadadventure only had the bike 3weeks had first service.600...now... 700miles done...zero problems...
its well made and comfy.. fast enough light to ride handles well ....I feel it will be good but in all honesty time will tell....my mates got same bike 1200 plus miles, no issues....
Its all looking good for the owners reviews of these bikes
That's interesting. I'm 69. Thinking of downsizing in the next few years. I appreciate your experience. Thank you.
this could be a good one for you, try and get on a test ride perhaps?
I bought a new bmw K1600gtle earlier this year, with 7 miles on the clock. 16 miles later, it needed a full engine replacement. Proving that any bike can fail.
Confidence in a brand is earned, and it's early days how these bikes will cope with the British weather and road conditions.
Customer service/after sales will play a key role in the bikes success here also.
It's not all about cost!!!!!
Best of luck, and happy riding
Think it's a bit of pot luck to be honest , just sold my 20 year old honda vfr and no issues at all still even on original chain
I agree, it’s not about the problem itself but about the after sales support and parts availability
I love a viffer!
From what I can see from your video you’re going to answering a lot of the questions I and others have. One more thing I’d like to know is what fuel range you get from the 17 litre tank. Surprised how small it is. Enjoy your adventure and look forward to watching more videos
No problem kev we will look at the mpg etc in a coming episode 👍
Interesting point. I would have thought a 20l tank would have been about right
Im not fussed as long as theres enough fuel on to do 150 miles im content if it means keeping weight down and keeping good handling
In history development of products has been done by copying then improving and selling for a more competitive price. U tube and media will do more for these newcomers than any advertising campaign. Real users real people not models. So looking fwd to this. So glad they recognise the benefit you will bring to the brand. Congrats GBMoto. And congrats to you two too. Futures bright. You will be with all the other vloggers in spain
Thanks so much Volt, we are very happy they value our opinion and honesty and I think they show confidence in their product giving us two knowing the miles we ride…
I took a gamble with the CF Moto 3yrs with the 650 MT. And I love it . I've done over 13,000 miles touring Ireland Scotland & Wales. And she's never let me down No issues whatsoever. I took the first test ride of the Voge 900 in northern Ireland and have to say wow amazing Tec and a fantastic bike . Unlike CF Moto . They seem to be having trouble with distributing the bikes.northern Ireland only has 2 bikes and I'm told there's No More until next year? So what does this mean for parts servicing warranty? That said the bike looks feels & ride brilliantly. Not one issue or bad point on the test ride other than setting everything to my own linking and feel. It's better than the new triumph Tiger 900. And dare I say the CF Moto 800 explorer.-
We will look into parts availability and dealer network and get some real numbers in a upcoming episode
Nice looking bikes no doubt, but I have a mate who bought a Bennelli and literally watched it rust in front of him.
Everything is nice and shiny when new but after a 6 month period I’d like to see how they fair out.
I’d be a little concerned that all those extras are to disguise that the bike itself isn’t gonna stand the test of time. Hopefully it will 👍
Have a 97 blackbird that looks like it came off the production line yesterday.
Hopefully that quality is here too.
Good luck with the test guys 👍
Only time can answer this for us all…
@@steviejinx1225 had my Benelli for nearly a year from new. Not a spot of rust in sight and it’s been ridden in all weathers.
Great video. Only came across you 2 today but it’s a refreshing change to see a nice couple giving honest views. I’m more into sports tourers but to be honest for the price , that bike looks pretty good.
Will be interesting to find out if comes with different seat heights etc.
Great to have you with us.... This one does not have adjustable seat height settings
I like the way you both analyse these bikes together. You are doing a good job.
Yes we like to get each others opinion and try not to influence each other as best we can when riding them
Proud owner of a dsx900 from June. After the 4.4 update i feel i have a total different bike in terms of performance. Everything is much smoother now and especially the bubbling at low rpm.
Hope this bike to be reliable . Only time will answer this question though. Cheers from Athens ,Greece. Ride safe !!!!
Did the dealer plug it in for the update? hows it done?
@@ontheroadadventure Nope done it myself with my android phone. Quite easy.
Other manufacturers should be worried as they ain’t offering anything close at this price. You will get the usual ones saying “wouldn’t have one Chinese “ but the phone and TV and house hold appliances are all Chinese 🤔😂
Yep, even the engine on ya beemer is Chinese these days… it’s unavoidable now
Loads of stuff made in China. I'm sure i saw a KTM review and the bike was made in China, some motor car parts for big brands like the VW group made in China
@@ontheroadadventure made in China doesn't mean developed in China. The engine in the Voge is developed in cooperation with BMW. But do you really think the engine is of the same standards and materials as the BMW? They are not stupid..
The same is with cars. Renault and Mercedes share development costs. But the engine in a Mercedes is not a Renault and visa versa. Otherwise nobody would buy a Mercedes anymore 😅
We are told it is the very same engine in both bikes tuned slightly differently 🤷♂️
Usually Chinese collaborations with traditional brands have the latter protecting their reputation by having their own quality control standards implemented. I'd definitely need to be assured of that. I can recall, not too many years ago, the QC of Mash leading to incorrect CC badges on their bikes......
You picked the right time for Bridge. I was there at 2 and it was packed. Great video again. Keep it up.
Cheers bud
A mate of mine has a Voge 900 and he loves it . Cheap and good looking . I took it for a run on Sunday and wow was surprised very nice . Power looks at a price and the equipment level has to be a serious consideration. Remember back in the day when Japan took the markets by storm well the Chinese are now doing the same . Great stream thanks . 👍👍👍
It’s a great machine so far, if they can stand the test of time and high miles then they are without doubt the future…. BUT they need to be ridden to high mileage and proven
@@ontheroadadventure Totally agree with you 100%
I bought a CFmoto 800MT and can't praise it enough. The very fact that most dealers now have them on back order until next March because they sold them all is a good thing for the Voge because people will view the Voge in the same light and snap them all up instead of waiting for a CFmoto. They're both fantastic value bikes and if you're worried about depreciation just look at so called "Premium" manufacturers and see what you will drop on them.....ridiculous. I bought my CFmoto on a 3 yr PCP with 2.5% finance and a 62% residual value at the end whilst being covered with a 4 year warranty. How can you beat that....Go and buy a Voge and don't worry about it plenty have been using the 900 on the continent for a year already, we are just a bit late to the party.
Yes these are very popular in Europe and it’s easy to see why
Just seen one in France at an ex Honda dealer and they look fantastic and will sell.
Yeah they have been in Europe for some time now
For 9k it’s a no brainer. BMW in disguise, great marketing on these tough times. The top manufacturers should be definitely looking over their shoulder
We have to agree, so far we are very impressed by these bikes
@@ontheroadadventure my best friends picks his up Friday
I’m seriously considering buying one but what are service costs and service periods. Are there actual deals to be done paying cash irrespective of how cheap they are. Other than that they appear bargain of the year or is it a true price of a bike and others are over charging
He is lucky to get one so quick!
Totally agree with people perceptions of brands, especially Chinese.
I’ve just got my winter bike, CF Moto NK 650, so impressed so far with what has come equipped with it for the price, Build quality and ease to work on, and how good it’s been so far to ride.
People forget CF Moto is a huge Chinese brand, and they in partnership with KTM, and the JJ Juan brakes are actually owned by brembo these days.
Haven’t found any issues so far with parts.
One day I’ll get a proper adventure bike, but 820 seat night and I wouldn’t touch the ground 😂😂
These are quite low we are flat footed both sides at 5’7 29inch leg
I'd buy one right now if they had these in the US. So far, nothing. I look forward to your long term review. Have fun and I hope the weather stays nice for you!
Stick with us we are going to test these big style!
Nice one, be good to hear your long term thoughts on them 😊
Well we have them for a couple weeks so we will ride them as much as we can in this time…
Bmw Engine,
Brembo Brakes,
Kayaba suspension, who have been Kawasakis suspension since atleast the 80:s if not 70:s....
Yeah, this is a no brainer.
Absolute 100% bang for your buck.
I will buy a soon ad they turn up in Sweden👍
By the time you get them there they will be well proven too
Hi, I have the BMW F900xr. Same engine as the voge.I travel up and down the mountain to and from Ronda in Southern Spain regularly and have never had an issue. Can’t speak for the rest of the bike but the engine is a peach. Really enjoy your tubes? Even a NOS like me (64) especially the touring and camping ones. All the best.
Thanks Howard 👍
I would give one a go. Visually appealing bike, plenty of features, great value. Just need em to come to Australia.
They are selling well here in the uk and have a waiting list now in Europe. I’m sure it won’t be long before voge come to Australia too
I'd say (and I'll get some stick for saying this) it is a premium bike its just not a premium price. If that had a different badge on it and twice the price they'd be saying it is.
I'm done with bike snobbery, it looks a cracking machine and half the price of another manufacturer with the dame spec.
Seen 3 or 4 of your vids and i think your chemistry is spot on. You remind me of my Polish girlfriend..she makes me laugh, wish she'd ride a bike.
Voge could well be The big brand within a couple years!
Interesting video. I’ve had most of the big brand bikes but will def check these out when I want to change. Also CF Moto. The single biggest factor for me now is a dealer reasonably close who isn’t likely to go bust, especially if I buy a new/warranty bike. Dealers are dropping like flies.
Yes worrying times I’ve never seen so many dealers go bust in such a short time, it’s worrying times for the whole country
The Voge looks great. The price alone and it being fully kitted will put it in the lead for most bikers looking to enter the ADV arena.
For sure, perfect for new riders and experienced ones to be fair, 9k out the door ready to go round Europe
Looking forward to your thoughts on the Voge, hope the weather doesn't influence you. 👍
So far… so good! 😊
Nice to see more pf Devon, watched your vid of Exeter Quay, must ride up from Torquay soon. Thanks Pete
Hi Pete, we have a Devon Playlist on the channel home page where you can find lots of content and ideas for places you can ride to here
@@ontheroadadventure Thanks will take a look as I often go down the same routes. I should have gone out today, looking at the forecast for tomorrow. Keep well guys
Hopefully you can find something new to do on our channel... Got to take every dry chance to get out on the bike this time of year bud
Rich & Ewa.
Another great video. I really appreciate your honest and down to earth approach. Reluctantly, I have to confess that the bikes look really good. Cynics such as myself may find the Voge ownership proposition more tempting given that these bikes allegedly share many of the same components as other “premium brands”.
Having worked for many years at THE premium 4x4 manufacturer I know the importance of parts quality and warranty history! In other words, the more carry over parts (with a good warranty provenance) the easier it’ll be for customers to trade Brand Loyalty for a lower cost item! That said, I’m a little sceptical that BMW would have paid for the tooling for major components only to make them available to competitors??
Anyway, offer a 3yr no-quibble warranty on the Voge and it’ll fly off the shelves! Just a shame it ain’t British!
I think we will see these on the road in big numbers following suit in Europe where these have been for some time now
Very informative,love the constructive comments,
your passion for motorcycling comes through.
(Where was the coastal town you started from?)
Thanks Steve We eat sleep and breathe motorcycles! We started in Paignton Devon
Cracking video Rich and Ewa. For me personally it comes down to brand trust. I’m a self confessed BMW man and have had no issues at dealer level when things go wrong. However, as you said Rich I would strongly consider this in the future. I’m getting Tiger vibes from the side on views. Looking forward to seeing more on the Voge 👍
Thanks bud… I predict bikes at 9k over £20k+ Will buy the trust of the consumer?
@@ontheroadadventure possibly pal. But remember that there are brand snobs out there. The Ducati Multi-strapon riders for example! 😂
Shaft drive Voge for the win!
A shaft drive Chinese bike would be a real kick in the balls to BMW! Could well happen
Great video! So pleased that you both got a Voge to test for a while at least. You really are the best for testing it and providing an honest review. Now I know you both have a bike to test and the question will be who's the passenger but my question is can you please assess the bike for two-up riding with the luggage fitted. Please check the leg room for the passenger and if you have to slacken the drive chain because of the extra weight. Comfort and ease of getting on the bike would be appreciated. Ride safe Andy & Lyn. LYB.
We will do this for you guys
@@ontheroadadventure Many thanks! As I always have to buy a bike with 2 seats!! Andy.
Ewa says she will take me pilly 😉
@@ontheroadadventure Brilliant, she's a top girl!!
She did it before, she wanted to try in Poland so i let her do it in the forest roads and she did it just fine!
I want to buy an adventure bike for 2025. As big BMW fan, I looked at the R 1300 GS and GS/A . No, not really mine.Then the f 900 GS /A and yes already rather. But the way I would like them, it's around 20.000 € here in Germany with everything that goes with it. And now I accidentally came across the vote ds 900 x and fell immediately in love with it. And then of course only in black and gold.😍🤩 I think since this machine costs half the BMW I will give it to myself for my birthday and Christmas. My birthday is just before Christmas.
Read in the comments here from people who bought the BMW.... In one year it will Depreciate more than the total cost of the Voge 900!
(7:20) another question is, what wattage does it put out? in case you want to add extra taillights, or driving lights
I idea if I’m honest, we will try and find out
If I had money I would by the black one in a heartbeat! Stunning looking machine ❤
We both agree the Black is best
It would be interesting if a BMW fan had a Voge for a few months and then gave us an UNBIASED & honest review! (If there are any unbiased BMW owners!!)
We will try to find one…
@@ontheroadadventure Good luck with that 😟
2 year's ago I purchased ( bought not PCP) brand new Chinese car, it came with a 7 year warranty, so far it's been ultra reliable, and although my Thruxton is a British brand, it' was probably manufactured in Thailand, again no issues but it is just a Sunday bike
The Chinese want the market bad! They may well get it!
£14k for a brand new car, the Chinese will establish themselves in the bike world, just look at Royal Enfield, who'd have thought an Indian brand we be so popular
I agree, RE have done something special in a short period of time
Looking forward to your longer review of this bike should be interesting. I bought a Chinese built ktm 790 adventure had it just about a year couple of minor issues but on the whole superb, off to Spain on it with the mrs next week fully loaded can’t wait 👍, I honestly believe my Chinese built bike is better than two of my friends Austrian 890s and I saved 3k , have fun you two are awesome.
You could well be right! did you see my 890 owners experience videos? that didnt go well lol
Have test bikes got the 4.4 update, if not it's not at it's best. With the 4.4 update it's as good as the F900GS the update makes a major difference
Ours were serviced before bringing to us so I assume they are running the new software
@@ontheroadadventure go to settings my vehicle and look for 4.4 I'm getting some incredible feedback from the update
Ok we will look there for it
Firstly, thanks for all your time you're putting in to delivering us with loads of information and these bikes . America is banning a lot of china's imports, and bikes are one of them . Should we be concerned . Susan
Your very welcome, I dont think we will be seeing a ban on chinese imports, but being the uk im sure they will find a way to tax them at some point
They won't ban them they will stick more import tax on the goods, so the price will go up.
Nice video both, I had the 500DSX from Voge and loved it. I did lose a lot come sale time but as a of the bike. In absolute terms I lost £2k which as you said at the end is a lot less than most BMW owners...
£2k isn’t bad at all! We have definitely lost more than that on our Hondas for example
Hi guys, does the switch gear light up? i think it is a real nice looking bike and i would have no issue in having one. i have Triumph tiger 1200 gt pro. what about service intervals and dealers? I do love my bike, but it is a heavy beast and i was looking at reverting back to the 900 gt pro, but this VOGE has got my cogs ticking.
I had the 900 GT pro and I would put this bike on par with it for sure… I’m not sure about the switch gear we are wrapped up in our tent right now but I will check for you and tell you in another episode soon
@@ontheroadadventure brilliant.
If you drop it and damage the hand guards wing mirror and dented the pannier, what is the spares availability like. What insurance group are they? How tough is that brake fluid resivoir
Well we hope we don’t have to find this out by dropping it but we will test the parts availability
Hi Guys, i had the Benelli 502. nothing wrong with it, I just couldn't get on with the weight and high centre of gravity, being over 60 lol. Love what you do.🏍🏍🏍
Thanks for sharing, yes these are heavy bikes, but they are strong like tanks!
Great vids again! My main concern on brands like Voge is the dealer network, how many dealers do they have, and if there would be a dealer near me… for most people I guess all the main Japanese, Italian, and German brands would be maybe in a 50 mile radius… also most new bikes are sold on PCP, the value of bike then is irrelevant if the monthly is same as more premium brands…. Lastly many people love their brand due to their long heritage and racing history, many see the Chinese as just copying designs and tech at lower prices due to their much lower labour rates and gov help….. no doubt they will increase share in market, but I love my bikes, and not sure these are for me….
I guess if these sell well in the uk like in Europe then more dealers are going to take them on
I've owned a number of bikes including an Africa Twin ( brilliant bike) and now a BMW GS 1250. I have to say this does look like a bargain. As you say, the main concern is reliability... the old adidge ( if its too good to be true......) however this genuinly looks like a bargain. My questions are
1) how long is the manufactures warranty
2) BMW offer an extended warranty after 3 years... do Voge offer this and if so how much does this cost and what are the conditions ( limited mileage)
3) How do they handle on and off road in comparison to the Africa Twin
Can I also take this opportunity to thank you both, your videos are great and you manage to edit them so quickly. ( and I know editing is so time consuming) keep up the great work.
Thanks so much, We appreciate your comments so much. 1. I Believe its two years standard warranty, 2.... Ive no idea but will try to find out... 3. On road i would say the handling is better, the suspension and Steering damper makes this bike feel far more expensive than it should do... We are Very impressed with how it rides... Off road, well its not really designed for that, But we will do our best to test it out! see you in the next one
Hi Eva and Rich, I am old enough to remember the Japanese invasion.. There was a lot of British is best etc.. I think that the Japanese was a more inventive.. They produced great smaller capacity bikes where we wasn't.. Like the Honda 90 cub.. Reliable, cheap to run etc.. Great dealer back up and parts.. So to dismiss Chinese makes is stupid. Apple phones are made in China.. Expensive.. Like Eva I was told items can be made for various manufacturers in the same factory. So I decided to buy a unknown Chinese mobile phone.. Brilliant.. No issues, and 90% cheaper than a apple.. For me, like most people I guess, are open minded, with questions over dealer backup, parts availability etc.. Im on my 2nd Tracer 9, which I love.. Would I swap? Like Rich atm no, but in the future once more established? Possibly.. Great review guys.. Look forward to the next one
Thanks so much, you make the point well with your phone
@@ontheroadadventure Just as a add on.. Just checked out of curiosity where my nearest vorge dealer is.. 50 miles away, which is a disadvantage obviously.. But I would not be surprised if the dealer network expands quickly..
Why do you need them? As long as parts are available online to order any vat registered Bike mechanic can service your bike, if he's ever worked on a bmw parallel twin he will know this bike inside out...
I sat on one of these bikes at a motorcycle show and it felt great, I can't pull myself round to buying one because things like the KTM 790 cam chain fail at 20,000 miles with an Chinese engine.
Now I understand your appreciation… I owned a KTM from new for a grand total of ten days. It had so many failures I managed to get a refund on it as unfit for purpose. HOWEVER… this is not made by KTM/CFmoto, it is made by loncin who is the manufacturer of about 60% of the parts including the engine of the BMW F series
Bike looks nice and with all the extras on it well worth a look and test ride my only concern is getting parts if something was to go wrong in Europe when doing a tour
The bikes have been available for some time in Europe and so there’s plenty of dealers available. In the UK MotoGB has a massive warehouse we assume are full of the parts for the bikes they are selling… we will investigate this…
Love it! Can’t wait for more
See you in the next one
After having a Sinnis bike, main issues was rust on most bolts, unavailable spares, what is the support for them going to be like would be my concerns
We all have that same concern, if they can get parts to us fast then these bikes are going to sell like hotcakes
Also did email motogp. About parts. Had the parts diagrams. But not all prices there. They said if they not used them parts prices not be there. Also priced up the luggage and racks for this. Comes to about £1700. So pretty good. 😊
Absolute bargain this bike
It would be to see how they would stand upto a long term test on the uk roads
hi guys I.living in Italy I had the voge 500 dsx.for 2 years did all sorts of riding light trails touring and have to say never had a problem great bike no problem with fittings or finish
Now I went to buy a Honda cb500x so the voge the basic Honda €7999 the voge 5999 fully loaded great value but and there is a but parts availability is not good even here and the voge is popular here and they don't hold there value but I couldn't fault the bike
I sold it privately and got myself a Honda nc 750 purely because of the back up you get
Used to live in the lake district moved to southern Italy 4 years ago see you later
Derek
Thanks derek, if Voge can sort the parts problem they will do very well indeed
If parts are a problem now, what about in 5 or 10 years. How long do Voge guarantee part supply for? That's what l'd like to know & that's something l'd never had to think about before with the big 4 Japanese bikes l've owned.
Hi Guys, this new Voge 900 looks very tempting with all the gear that is std. and performance more than quick enough.
Here are my questions:
1. At touring speeds what fuel consumption is it giving?
2. I believe Moto GB is the UK importer and as such responsible for spare parts supply, so how much have they invested in spare parts to ensure speedy supply? Does Moto GB have a computer system linked with Voge/Lonsin in China to be able to order parts quickly and more important, do they have contractual relationship whereby they can order parts and have them air-freighted to the UK, so when parts are required the UK dealers and their customers ARE NOT left high-and-dry ?
Motogb have a huge warehouse in the uk we are told is full of stock… I can’t tell you if that’s parts or bikes only but we will try to find out
Love the look of your new helmets, what make are they?
Rich has LS2 Explorer and Ewa has the Nolan both carbon
Yes Honestly is the best policy . They say then they will come . & then they will send it . Lifes a adventure . 😊
Absolutely 💯
You're both looking more refreshed. I presume not sleeping in a tent has helped somewhat. 😁😉
The leaders in any market do seem to become complacent over time. I've never rated BMW as value for money and their reliability has never been good - you don't want to own a BMW that's out of warranty. As such, I don't particularly see this as a BMW comparison as they've always been overpriced, it just confirms they are overpriced.
Although most bikes are now built to a price, over the years it's been very annoying that basics, such as centre stands, huggers, etc, are now expensive optional extras. I think this is to support the dealers profits .The new boys on the block are right to see this as a weakness and take advantage by providing them as standard. It's cheaper to fit them on the production line than store, ship, and fit as an optional extra. Hopefully the established brands will wake up to this soon.
The ones on top got greedy…
So you liked them before so of course they are going to give you more time on the bikes,I like the review but get on the bmw and see that you make of those …. There will always be a market for Bentley and rolls Royce same with bikes.
Great content as always
A fair point but it does show confidence in their product, we have no reason to be kind to Motogb or these bikes, if they are shit or if they break as we put miles on them we will show you… it’s all we can do
Great vlog… are the seats height adjustable as in suitable for 6ft tall people ..
No the seat isn’t adjustable
This is such a good review because as you have been saying these bikes are so very cheap but on the surface look very good quality, very good so unless you're very unlucky you could ride this bike for a couple of years do a lot of touring and get 3k for it trading in 2/3 years down the line how good would that be bargain the kit you get on this bike for 9k no brainer, brilliant love 💕 it, also just want to say you guys do fantastic videos first class keep up the brilliant work and thank you 😊
Thanks so much! Most people can lose 9k on a new Beemer for example in depreciation over a year or two of riding making this this almost disposable at a year old anyway!
Looks like a great bike, also the black bike looks fantastic not a colour I would normally go for but that one I would.
We agree Black is the best for sure
It looks like the only thing missing is an alarm. I use a disk lock on my 525DSX, but am contemplating fitting a tracker or alarm.
We use Oxford Boss alarmed disc locks, they are very good. If the lock is moved or touched it screams!
I think give it another couple of years and these bikes will be everywhere, whatever ethical issues people have these bikes are here to stay
We believe you are right
I often hear the Chinese vs early Japanese reliability comparison, but by the late 1950’s Japanese bikes had a reputation for better build quality and reliability than British and US models. By 1962 Honda's R & D department was at least six times larger than that of America's largest motorcycle manufacturer. I’m nearly 60 and from early childhood memories in the 1970’s Japanese were the bikes to own. There’s a fascinating video on Honda motorcycle production in the 60’s on UA-cam
History repeating itself…?
Residual values are the issue here.
That said I've just ordered 8 for my business in Spain.
Do you have a tour business? Or hire the bikes out?
@@ontheroadadventureit would be great if this guy could let us have feedback on the reliability of his 8 bikes
Yeah right, perfect test pool there... Especially if he is putting real miles on them
I’m seriously considering one of these, my biggest concern is dealer and importer support. There seems to be some queries/ questions about software updates regarding snatchy throttle etc. I’m not a beginner and have owned a Tiger 900 GT Pro, Ducati Multistrada 1200s and a BMW 1250 GS all in the last 3 years.
Apparently the new 4.4 software has fixed the throttle snatch, I can’t say it’s much to report on our bikes 🤷♂️
Looks, rides, value, all good.
When in breaks down in Kazakhstan what do you do?
true well said but what do you do with any bike ?????
I imagine there’s as many Honda or Harley dealers in there as Voge dealers?! Anywhere in mainland Europe you’ll be good no worries
buying one wouldn’t worry me but if I toured in Europe, do they have dealer coverage etc. the warranty is useless if there is no one in that country with spares to to fix it.
Yes these have been in Europe long before we got them in the uk
I'm on my second Toyota car, the first one was very reliable and overall a good car. But my second one I'm not do sure about, but that could be down to the previous owner who apparently lived near the sea and further north, colder and sea air. It's got some rust problems underneath, brake pipes etc. But I guess that's the problem of buying secondhand, i brought from a local Toyota dealer and i didn't know the owner was from another area. I've seen some people saying Honda & Toyota have been living on their past glory, reputation. Which said my cars 1340 cc petrol engine produced to high emissions, so removed from best buy. Who knows, but what are the other choices. I see other brands negative comments on reliability surveys. Very interesting video, I guess this is why the US is scared of China
Yes, they know it’s inevitable that the Chinese brands will continue to fight to dominate the market
Great review and really valid points. The traditional big manufacturers will lose their way. Look at the cost of a Suzuki or Honda fittend centrestand or heated grips. Im led to believe many now chargse for the fitment to the new bike as well. I have an Africa Twin adv sports. If the voge was around in 2021, yes, i would have bought it. Keep the reviews coming, and the cake looked amazing!
Mike we agree.... Theres no way i can afford or Justify 18k on a New ATAS when this is 50% the cost... Thats a amount of money that makes it a easy decision
totorider wrote me that,in a trip, he with his transalp and a friend of his with one of this,toto did 100kms more with the same littres of fuel.
Awesome on you both for jumping on the Chinese wagon, ive had my zontes u1 2 and a half yrs now and no issues with it at all, ive passed my theory test and awaiting to do my mod1 and 2, ive got my eye on the new zontes 703 when that comes out its the same power and 200cc less than voge and looks pretty cool to me, the prices are soo much more inviting than honda, bmw etc even when the time comes im tempted to sell my lancer and put the money straight to the zontes as my partner isnt bothered about a car and ive had my fun with 400bhp as a daily driver haha now time for a different vibe 😎😎
Things may well be changing and we want to have a open mind
@ontheroadadventure that's the way forward be alot cheap on running costs and like you said in the video the resale value loss is mental on the big brand bikes, good luck in the new venture, be sure to check out the new 703 zontes when it comes out next month I think, it's a 3 cylinder and sounds great from what I've seen on here
We always want to approach every bike we ride with a open mind and brutal honesty
@ontheroadadventure that's the only way to be bud, I love how genuine you guys are compared to the paid to do only good reviews people are you can tell they just lie through their teeth haha having to actually think about what they are going to say lol
yeah theres far to much of that, making the review useless
I have terrible brand loyalty, on my second BMW F bike (750 GS, and now 850 GS), my car, BMW M140i. I suspect you guys are the same with your Honda's. As you mentioned, what about back-up when something goes wrong, how long do parts take to arrive? Tonight (Thursday), I have ordered some brake parts from BMW Cotswolds (the BMW car club I am a member of gets you some nice discounts). They didn't have one part in stock, but it will be delivered on Saturday, to Cotswolds and posted out to me the same day. How many service centres do Voge UK, have? I see 20, and if you live above Harrowgate, North Yorkshire, you're out of luck.
I suspect that these bikes, are being sold as a lost leader, the prices will go up once they establish a foothold. But we will see! I will maybe give it 5 years to see how it goes.
Hopefully, Voge will give you a couple of bikes, so that you can go off around the world exploring and document the reliability of the these bike, plus £50K a year each! Just a thought, Voge UK 🙂. All the best you two, and thanks for the videos!
We would gladly accept that deal!
It's a no brainer go for it 👌💯👍 what have you got to lose they have come a long way and goes to show what the other brands are making
They have made an offer to the consumer that’s becoming impossible to ignore..
I agree with you both. They appear to be ok. I'm a bit of a tight arze, so I would be looking at it if I were to be in the market. You can do a lot of pre paid riding, fixes or parts for 9 gran. You can easily buy what you think is the right bike but still have troubles. Result. If we're to be in the market i would definitely give this consideration.
Yes agreed, our Hondas have not been without issue… in fact I have had dozens of different motorcycles and each one at some point has had a problem or needed a replacement part when you think about it….
Voge would be smart to give you two those bikes, what a credit you would be to them if you were the ones to prove those bikes are as good as your Hondas
So kind Momo, thanks for joining us 😊
Great viewing as always. I’m seriously considering one of these and of course have concerns re dealer support, parts availability etc. No doubt there’ll be some of these bikes that have faults, perhaps some might be major. But really, it must be a similar probability for most bikes. So that aside, I’m just interested in how these ride compared to others similar in their class like the KTM 790/890, the Benelli TRK, or even (dare I say it) the Africa Twin. Cheers. 🙏
Well we ride Africa twins and I have reviews on the benelli’s already so our opinion should answer some questions for you. Of course the KTM 890 is much lighter and more off road oriented but they have a terrible reliability reputation… You can see my own ownership experience of that on the channel… mine lasted ten days only!
@@ontheroadadventure Thanks guys. Yes I’ve watched with interest your vids on the Benelli and the KTM. I’ve also fallen foul of owning a KTM, never again. I currently own a Benelli 702X and very happy with it. I just fancy something with a bit more oomph… keep up the great work cheers.
I have a 1250 GS but I tell you, if that gets stolen or something I'd definitely go for the Voge. I used to have the bmw F750 GS with exactly the same chinese engine and it was bombproof. I just found the 1250 boxer a wee bit better balanced and nicer to ride.
Yes this bike shares many parts with the BMW all made in china
@ontheroadadventure Not only does BMW have to worry but Triumph,the Japs and italians should be sweating too. At last the chinese (and Indians) are giving us what we want.
At a price the others don’t want to compete with!
I have a sneaky suspicion you will end up with the bikes. I don't blame you if you do. I am a huge BMW fan I have a GS 1300 and the latest S1000RR those bikes are every bit as good. Will keep watching to see what happens all the best
Lol if we keep on like this Voge will be trying to give us them! Sadly they go back in a couple weeks
Hoping these come to the States.
I’m sure they will soon enough, incredible value for money here in Europe
(12:27) its the same here in the US. O.E.M. parts, come off ships, and marked as "made in the USA" and sold as such, at all the dealerships. The bottom line. are people are stupid, and don't research the products, Like Harley Davidson engines, have been made in Italy for the last 6 years. all the clothes, and garments, came off of a ship, and were labeled here in the states.
It’s the same story on many products now, it’s just the way of the world right now
Cfmoto offer a 4 year warranty would be good if Voge did the same as that would give confidence to buyers. Is there a navigation system or can you broadcast it from your phone
Yes there’s a Voge app which includes a nav system we are yet to try out
Really interested in this bike but could do with knowing abouts dealerships in the UK and the seat height is it adjustable or is there a smaller seat option great video as always 👍
We will talk about dealer networks and numbers soon once we gather the facts for you. Seat is surprisingly low, we are both flat footed on these both sides I am only 5’7 29inch leg
As for depreciation i had a BMW K1600 Less than 4k miles on clock with top box total cost 26K after 2 years i was offered 12k last BMW i ever bought
Wow that’s some loss!
It also had £1500 of service package
Would love to see them here in Ireland, one day maybe.
You dont have them there Yet? that surprises me, they must be all over the uk?
Just occurred to me…..as the Loncin engine is the same as BMW would BMW dealerships service it? (at their exorbitant price). Also re servicing: have the technicians been trained by Voge? or Loncin?
Well for sure they can and are able... The question is would they? I imagine they want it to be as difficult as possible for Voge owners... I mean why would they make it easy for you to buy the same engine but at half the cost? I imagine a service at BMW dealership would be mad expensive anyway, id take it to any normal Decent VAT registered motorcycle mechanic to maintain my warranty
(1:42) when I look at the bikes, (in general), I always want to know about replacement parts, tires, aftermarket parts, as here in the USA, this Voge are not here yet, but they have the CF MOTO 800 T & MT (as I believe is the same or a sister company under KTM). as replacement parts like oil filter are the same as KTM 790. and again, the price here compared to the KTM, is 13K, to 10,300 USD. What I'm seeing in the states is, (Looking on ride Zilla) aftermarket parts stores, that you cannot buy a matching set of tires. & they offer only one type of saddle bag, as hard packs. for an extra 900 dollars. (Most bike shops here in the USA. do not have them on their listing under brand names) It's almost like they are not getting a warm welcome here.
The big boys do not want these Chinese bikes to do well at half the costs
Good video. Parts would be my concern? Maybe in uk its ok but rest of europe etc? Need to ask the retailer!
Have to say nice looking bike and love the black. Would i buy one? Depends on the answers to the above. Ewa looks much more at home on it, like it fits her perfect.
Parts in Europe will be even easier than here, it’s been available in Europe for some time now and is a huge selling bike, you’ll need to wait 3 months pre order in Spain for example
Having been the owner of a CFmoto 700 CLX Adventure bike and having ALL kinds of issues I tend to be in the mind of never touching a Chinese made bike again. However you do make some very good points about treating this bike and company as its own separate entity. I guess for me it just left a very bad taste in my mouth. Having said that, Ewa the black one you are riding looks really really nice, very stylish and better looking than the BMW GS I think. I guess time will tell about reliability , in the meantime I will stick to my Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650 for reliability and longevity. I am interested in what the seat height is on the Voge being vertically challenged?
It’s interesting that if you look through the comments everyone who had a bad experience with Chinese bikes also seem to mention it was a CFmoto..
Currently have the moto morini 650 excape , only time will tell on build quality, .The problem with chinese bikes is people won't commit to buying because of the unknown reliability and build quality so the brands stay low sales . These bikes your testing seem worth a go and the fact they sent you two speaks wo😂nders in my eyes . Off topic I'm currently walking round Venice in my on the road tee, spreading the word
Thanks mark, yes Voge seem very confident in their product and are full of assurances parts and dealers are a plenty
@ontheroadadventure very nice bikes but are they built down to a price ? Or are the other manufacturers ripping us off ? Like you 5 years ago I would never of touched a Chinese bike , rust bucket cheap rubbish . I'm really looking forward to your tests and reviews , think Ewa's in love with the gold and black one 😍
So far we are very impressed by them... Id love to slag it off and moan all day on it but i really am picking at it to try to find fault.... But its only a few days in... Lets see if it fails as we put some miles in. We both like the Black one best!
I would be interested in what it's like for balance around town at low speeds given it has a 21 inch front wheel. Also what are the servicing schedules.
I will do some slow stuff and show balance in a coming episode for you then bud no problem 👍 servicing is 600 mile first one then every 6200 miles
Will be interesting to see your review after a few days, the black one is the dogs! As for spares like many dealers they don’t hold stock, as long as main distributor has a comprehensive stock and can get parts next day, don’t mind that much and is normal these days except for service items which should be in stock. Even my Triumph dealer in Long Eaton is next day for most parts.
Do like handles on the luggage, wish my Tiger 800 had these instead of having to buy separate, or make some. Did notice you have an arrow on the gear display, is this for eco riding and tells you when to change up or down.
As for Ewa,s comment about a good starter bike, this is completely valid as not everyone has the money for a major brand bike with everything on it for touring, if it performs well could take a big slice of the adventure market.😊
Yes the arrows are to advise you when to change gear for eco riding, you get every thing you see on this bike for 9k, it seems to be a real deal, but we need to see some with real miles on to get customer confidence up
Just saw this in an article this morning: "The U.S. Commerce Department recently proposed rules that would ban vehicles with software and hardware links to China and Russia by model year 2027." So any vehicle that has connectivity to your phone or other device will be banned and we will not see the likes of bikes like this and CF Moto, etc. I wonder if this will effect KTM and BMW as well, knowing that some of their bikes have some Chinese parts that may fall into this category. So, I hope you enjoy them as we yanks soon can't.
They have realised that if successful the Chinese will dominate the market crushing the competition on price and therefore sales resulting in other brands suffering in a big way
How secure are those panniers and I've read the top box is a sod to take off
They feel well built and solid, I’ve had no problem taking them on and off
@@ontheroadadventure the reviewer on MotechRevolution? Channel did a review and pointed out failings with them... Be good if you could debunk his findings on them
Will take a look
What’s the service intervals on these bikes ?
600 mile first service then 6200 miles
9:12 just a small point on the cycle box at lights, you must stop at the first line on these advance stop line boxes, both you and the car could be given 3 points and £100 fine, which is the penalty for crossing the ASL, OK I admit it's unlikely, but it could be done if a cop felt like a ticket, just something to consider 👍🏻😉
Thanks, Your not the first to point this out in this video, Guess we all learned something new!
@@ontheroadadventure fair enough 👍🏻
I definitely have close eye on Voge. See how the second hand market looks when these hit in the next few years time.
Seeing the cost is low on these bikes definitely has attracting look. But we all dont talk about what insurance group this might be in. Could cost alot to insurance due to not well known and parts if needed is available for insurance companies. 🤔
But with such a low cost price it should be cheaper to insure, it’s not a 25k GSA it’s only 9k to begin with
@@ontheroadadventure Tried to insure my CFmoto 650MT which was only 7k bike at the time and my insurance shot uo 1k+. What insurance told me was that its not well known and they cant guarantee they can fix or replace when it comes to it.
Then again, might change from person to person.
Robbing buggers they are, any excuse to fleece us