The other 'main brands' deserve to be quaking,they have been ripping the customer off for a few years now, there is no reason they need to charge/price their products and the price they do motorcycles should not be a 'Luxury item'. I have felt this for a while now..as an example why are someone like BMW or Triumph (900cc examples) charging twice the price for more or less the same product WITHOUT all the extras Voge supply as standard.. we've been ripped off for too long so i really hope Voge and CFMoto do well and if i were in the market for a new ADV bike id certainly be looking at these.
@@stevesteve1965. Well said and obviously the sentiment of many, it’s hard enough in the current climate to Manage. People in the past chose motorcycles as a more economical mode of transport. In many parts of the world it’s still a primary source of transportation. I not bothered about the badge, if it rides nice and puts a grin on face, that’s enough. It’s a feeling that only motorcyclists understand that’s a feeling that shouldn’t be taxed or exploited ✌🏻
It's likely that the chinese manufacturers pay their employees much less than fair market value for the equal work. As well as I can only imagine expected to work longer hours without equal pay compared to their counterpart companies. I won't buy a chinese bike, hell no!!!
@@smrttrvlr Well actually no, pay and living standards are higher in China believe it or not. Don't be fooled property prices there are crazy. We have friends teaching there they are on big money. China is more Capitalist than we are led to believe
@@smrttrvlr ,of course Chinese workers are paid less they have overall a much lower standard of living that's why everything made in china is significantly cheaper than western products..but then you have other brands that use far east labor and wages but still charge the full western price..so who's being exploited.? The western employed worker or the far eastern employed worker.?
I saw this bike at the dealership in King's Lynn when I dropped off my bike for the MOT last week. I was so impressed with the build quality, and the price was amazing. The salesman said they can't get them in quick enough.
You have been constantly giving fair reviews of what I see as the bargain bike of the moment. I love this bike and all it offers to the purchaser. Not interested in politics as most countries have questionable ethics to varying degrees....one life, enjoy it 👍👍👍👍
@@JulianOLeary-nv5nc thanks for your comments, no politics involved it’s not worth going there, things being what they are globally. One thing I will say to the UK subscribers is Aldi, Lidl Many years ago I was on my uppers, very little money, 4 kids on my own, I shopped at Aldi to save my house. People laughed at Aldi. That was nearly 30 years ago. They don’t laugh now. Ride safe friend enjoy life, and a huge thanks for your comments and support ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution I totally agree!! You can not question your bang for buck! It was the same when Japan first started exporting to the world, now everyone just enjoys their products. I must confess, I'm very jealous of the weather you get to enjoy your bike in.... Britain sure isn't Miami 🤣🤣👍👍
@@JulianOLeary-nv5nc hey in the Spring I'm sorting some tours and bikes out, I have accommodation, a large farmhouse in the mountains, I hoping to get some great ride outs with my community of friends. All welcome, try the real Spain
@@motechRevolution A few years ago I wouldn't have bought anything Chinese that I could get made anywhere else, purely because of human rights concerns (in particular the persecution of the Uyghur minority) but since the genocide started in Palestine last year, those concerns have all gone out of the window. I went into a guitar shop in Surrey and asked if they had any Furch guitars (a very well-renowned Czech brand) and they told me they didn't have many, and invited me to try an Eastman, which when I asked them where they were from they said Beijing. I tried a couple of their Furch guitars but didn't buy (they only had a couple of the more expensive ones, beyond my price range). But Eastman guitars are a well-made product, comparable to western brands that cost at least twice as much (and absolutely not to Chinese sister brands of western makes like Gibson). Still haven't bought one. If I'm ever in the market for a big bike I might give one of these a look as we have a dealership not far from me. What's the MPG?
So so happy you chose to make this video & making it clear it's your own bike that you've owned & ridden for numerous months. Unlike every Granny & their Aunt putting out reviews in the UK, just picking one up from a dealer & having it for 45mins. Almost pointless reviews in my opinion. Take note all
@@keepitreal1547 thanks for your kind words, there is no perfect bike, and this wasn’t for a long time for me. But truly without any advantage to me. What I’m telling all my subscribers is that this is a superb bike. Any faults I will get out to my viewers. Keep those 2 wheels down my friend, keep riding and get that blade back on the road ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution That's absolutely what you're doing, you're not afraid of telling all about the bike, fair play 👍 The Blade has cleaned up well today, I don't think I could ever sell it, it's a bike that's served me so so well 😀
The fact that so few according to your sources come back to the dealer for repair AND your own faultless bike for the last 6 month means a great deal to me. Reliability and comfort are my primary concerns with my next ADV bike. Looks like CFMOTO, VOGE and possibly KOVE are now on my radar. Thanks
I took a gamble with the CF Moto 3yrs with the 650 MT. And I love it . I've done over 13,000 miles touring Ireland Scotland & Wales. And she's never let me down No issues whatsoever. I took the first test ride of the Voge 900 in northern Ireland and have to say wow amazing Tec and a fantastic bike . Unlike CF Moto . They seem to be having trouble with distributing the bikes.northern Ireland only has 2 bikes and I'm told there's No More until next year? So what does this mean for parts servicing warranty? That said the bike looks feels & ride brilliantly. Not one issue or bad point on the test ride other than setting everything to my own linking and feel. It's better than the new triumph Tiger 900. And dare I say the CF Moto 800 explorer.-
@@mt650cfm your observations are probably right, but a week ago I may not have agreed. Most won’t have the 4.4 update for the DXS 900 but wow, it’s as good if not better than the competition. I’m lookup at the MT 450s to start a tour business. The crazy thing is that all these bikes can be made to run amazingly the MT 800 included, not sure what the logistics is here but In the interest of sales you would think the updates would be available. The only thing is that probably the dealerships cannot be bothered with updating bikes , time money etc. but a storm is brewing . Ride safe buddy ✌🏻
My local Royal Enfield dealer now supply Voge as well so popped down for a look yesterday. The bike looks great in every way. My only concern is how robust the new dealer network and back up(parts availability etc) is at the moment. I seen several dealers in my area take on CFMoto/Moto Morini etc then drop them within a year. I'll be watching with interest
Thanks Bruv for the very good honest true review.....for me if I have the money, I will buy a BMW GS1300 or a Honda Africa Twin, but I'll be greatly grateful if I could afford this Vogue 900.....
@@mohdruslihussain7965 Thanks for your comments, In a world where money wasn't an issue we would have lots of choices. What Brands like Voge do is give everyone a chance of sharing a passion for Motorcycles.✌️
Great review. Having had various BM’s of the GS family and R family this bike is exceptional. Concur with the positive reviews. One question, Where did you film the review….looks glorious!!
Went to look at a new 900. The fit and finish was fantastic. The only quality issue were the decals that were peeling on the edges. How are yours? Do you pressure wash? Great videos, very informative 👌
I have been saving for over 3 year to buy a bmw R 1250 GS and with the spec I wanted was going to be just over £20k.... well let's just say iv just put a deposit on this voge 900 dsx today and will have nearly £12000 to put back in my pocket
My question on the 4.4 update then would be if as you say it's so good when will voge officially release it to owners 🤔 as here is a perfect example of that customer service from a manufacturer and taking ownership of an issue
@@kevindarkstar I have addressed this before, but here are my thoughts. The 4.2 or 4.3 update are official but from Voge memos they say .4 or just under half an hour to update. Updates on any motorcycle are not compulsory or does the dealership need to contact users everytime there is an update, if a customer complains of bad riding experiences the dealership will probably offer to update. So it's my thinking with thousands of these bikes sold already in Europe no dealership will contact any buyers. When does a car company get in touch to update your sat nav or your car ECU, never. That's why companies make power commanders etc so you can change the map yourself. There is an Italian guy, I have just posted on here check out my post. He is re flashing Bosch ECUs they are the same for CF Moto and Voge. He is saying that it does not invalidate warranty. In years gone by motorcycles were alway re tuned at specialist garages, now it's all done through the ECU. The fact we can now flash from our phones is a bonus. You guys just need beta testers like me to confirm the improvements. Nobody need to change their bikes, it's your choice guys . I am glad I did. The only question it begs is why did CF moto and Voge release these bikes with a bad ECU map. ?
Pour informations, je vous communique mon vécu concernant le mauvais ressenti de ma poignet d'embrayage. Je la trouvais rêche avec des mauvaises sensations. J'ai découvert d'où provener le problème. Au niveau de la fourche l'ensemble des câblages dont le câble d'embrayage étaient maintenus par un rislan. Ce dernier était "beaucoup" trop serré. Je l'ai retiré et détendu le câble puis j'ai remis un rislan modérément serré. Plus de soucis ;)
Thanks for sharing. The problem you are describing was brought up early on with the bike in forums. I was lucky because I added bar risers and had to loosen all the cables at that point. Good point though for other viewers, thanks for commenting. Ride safe ✌🏻
@@guystevens162 yep must try it. The rear hazards flash if the rear radar detects vehicles too near. The tech on this bike can be off putting for some. But that has always been the case on every new bike
Good Review and by a guy who knows what he is talking about,but this is the second review in two days I've seen on this bike and neither have mentioned one of the most important features of most bikes(The Final drive) although I've not googled the bike yet,I was hoping one of these reviews would either tell us,OR show the other side of the bike,lol 😂.But No,but with this bike costing basically pennies it must be chain drive.I ride a chain drive bike but get sick of maintenance and rear wheel mess.This Bike looks pretty awesome,maybe bit low for my 6foot 7 height.😂
Curious to know if BMW developed and designed the parallel twin engine and gave the manufacturing to Loncin or Loncin developed the engine and BMW decided to use them in their bikes?
@@Whatreally123 from what I understand it's a Loncin development engine, just like the Rotax was made and developed by Rotax and is still used in many bikes. The Voge Rally 300 and the new 800 rally engines are from a collaboration with Kawasaki and as far as I know Kawasaki still use both engines. I was reading the other day that Honda also collaborate. Nothing new Nissan use Renault engines, its widespread in the car and bike industry.
this and the mt800 look great and so the benelli trk just like the most for now i trust japanase bikes only but these prices are great probably a best buy
@@tomtomvtx Hi unless you have a quite small inside leg the bike is fairly low at 825. But if you set the rear adjustable suspension dial to a couple of clicks up from soft it’s even lower. I am not sure that the f850gs lowering kit is compatible, but it’s possible the chassis is almost the same
Hi! I am 187 cm tall, seems this bike is a bit low for me. I heard there are higher seats available for BMW F900GS. Is there smth similar for this Voge? Is BMW seat compatible with Voge ?
@@CrashmanRUS there is a website making higher seats, search (Uncle Wang) it’s early days with these bikes but if you look at the seat design you can see it’s possible. Also you could get the standard seat professionally re covered and raised. At this time Voge have not added a factory higher seat although there has been talk of them doing so. ✌🏻
Hi Paul. Thank you for the overview of it. I just wonder if i am the only one that became pretty angry about the bike. Well yes, subjektiv and objektive. But do objektive first. Main problem is the engine. From the start i have a lot of noise from ventiles and inner chain. All works but ratteling means to much tolerance inside usually. I compared the engine sound with BMW (old 800 and 850) and its far away from that. Also i ride the old f 800 GS with conventional (bowden) gas and it was like i like it. I ride a lot in town and it's pain in the back with the mapping (4.1) and the weight that behaves like a battelship in a bath tube on slow traffic. Fun is only on the motor/ freeway. But usually riding a motorcycle is most fun at speeds about 30 and 80km, riding to a beautiful landscape. In this range of speed it's still no fun to ride. Also my mirrors and the rear rack look like ten years old, light gray like i went to the desert. Ergonomic is strange also. Arms are nearly stretched and knee-angle is like a supersport bike. I watched my 1,96m friend on it and it looks strange (also feels) So you have to rise the handlebar and lower the foot pegs(no products for official use here germany) Also the seat is hard and wide for long distance (hard) and to wide if you like to move it while parking for example and also to low, but if you rise it you get into a strange position... So my subjektive conclusion for what kind of people this bike would make happy. ADV traveling more tarmac than gravel road. Scorpion tires are nice for freeway but for gravel better get some 70/30 tires. Shorter than 1,80m riders. Off road only if you have experience with some BMW 1250/ 1300 GS or Multistrada or training. Well, you get a lot of bike for the money, but in my case i regret it a bit. This handling and bad mapping is killing my fun. Every motorcyclist know what i mean.
I understand exactly what you mean, to make the bike totally different to ride you need the 4.4 update. It totally changes the bike, it totally gets rid of the agricultural engine note, it irons out the throttle and because the engine is revving as it should it refines the slow speeds manoeuvring by keeping the centrifugal forces stable. The ergonomics of the bike need to be adjusted for some people, that’s the only time I would use the price as a reason for not including adjustable seat height etc, a bar raiser made my riding position perfect. The Scorpion tyres are road biases for sure, that’s one thing I intend to swap at some point, I have had the back end step out a few times on sandy bends. But honestly my friend you will thing you are on a GS if you do the 4.4 update, it really is that good. ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution Hi Paul, don't get me wrong. It is not only the throttle response, it's the sound of ventiles and more the inner chains (don't know the english word at the moment) something very mechanical and in my eyes totally mechanical. But we will see. In germany the dealer only have 4.3 so i have to wait a few days. Because of ergonomic i wonder why the handlebar distance is for giants and the seat to footpeg is for dwarfs, it does not correspond. My problem is a specific problem, if i want to rise the bar and low the pegs i need something with official stamp and at the moment there is nothing on the market, and i am nearly sure there won't be soon. I am willing to pay but i can't 😅
@@chrisarmes5293 I wouldn't run any motorcycle on E10 it's really bad with ethanol added. Fortunately we don't have it here in Spain so much all E5 95 or 98 octane. I get mixed riding sports/ Road with luggage and a pillion 4.5 litres to 100 KMs so for a 900 cc machine it's very economical. About 65 miles per UK gallon.
It certainly has shaken the Market up. This bike along with the CF Moto 450 MT are only available on pre order with a 3 to 6 months wait. They cannot build them quick enough to meet demand
well i seated on the bike once and it was an instant no go...cushion curves so that your crouch can only touch fuel tank with fwd slope and cushion itself is very problematic only supporting cheaks of your bottom not providing overall feel...very unfortunate cause it could be a real option to replace my good old tiger800 xcx
I had to remould seats with extra gel on my new R9t and Ducati Multistrada 1260 both more expensive than voge what I find annoying is lack of adjustability in pegs bars etc u think all bikes were only built for 6 foot tall apes
I'm considering buying this bike... The only thing that makes me think is hot air from the engine on the left leg. I've read many comments about it. Some people say it's absolutely manageable. Some cry out about BURNS and pain. What's the truth? Can you please give me your feedback? I live in Italy and here in summer can get quite hot...
@@ila9619 Yes sure, it ran hot on the original software, I never had any left leg issues, but even at 40c I wore trousers and not shorts. The 4.4 update makes a huge difference, doesn’t get as hot now although we are down to around 31c now. It’s not an issue in my opinion unless you ride in shorts ✌🏻
@@inspectorclouseau3880 I have covered 4k but lots of bikes here on Spain have already done 15k or more, We have Voge main dealerships here it's an established brand. So servicing is not a problem, first full service on mine was €160
@@motechRevolution Ho percorso 15k con la mia DS525 e nessun problema, solo divertimento. Tutti i tagliandi in linea con i tuoi costi. Ora la moto è come un violino e sono talmente soddisfatto che a Gennaio passerò all 900 DSX, grazie anche alla super valutazione della mia 525 di 1 anno. Buona Voge a tutti 😉
So I see a lot of butt hurt BMW owners it's the same here in Spain. If you ask them if they ride a BMW especially with a Chinese engine, well they go into meltdown, subscribe for some real revelations about the bike market. Take a deep breath guys we are supposed to be brothers we want to ride and share our experiences.. Thanks for all the support and hate . I'm a big boy and I can take it . That said I would have a single malt with any of you . Stay tuned I have questions for you guys next . ✌️
A friend of mine has his own motorcycle sales and repair shop in Belfast, he is inundated with BMW's that are just out of warranty or over three years old. Failures such as sensors, rear diff bearings or seals, electrical and injector problems. I showed him videos of this Voge and he remarked.. If you plan on keeping it for long term avoid it, not because its Chinese, because its a BMW clone.....
@@Team-fabulous now that is very interesting, the only address I can have is that we have a full Five year unconditional mileage free warranty here in Spain so long as you have the obligatory main services. Time will tell on this one ✌🏻
@@Team-fabulous no rear differential on the Voge and I’m sure injectors or electrical problems will be better sorted by a Chinese company than a European one, I have friends working in China they tell me the tech is 5 years ahead of the west. Could be wrong but looking at the 30 year old battered Chinese scooters still running here in Spain I’ll take my chances
@@motechRevolution I think for the price it's very hard not to consider the Voge but second hand values could be interesting or concerning depending what side of the fence you're on🤫😁
@@roadwarrior8560 mmm think about it , Time and money, there have been thousands of DSX 900s sold in Spain each one say half an hour to update, what manufacturer does that, traditionally you buy your bike and that’s it. With these bikes costing so little the profit margins are low for the dealers. They will only update if clients persist. A week ago my bike was ok. Now it’s superb. I guess the Voge community will be pivotal in future updates. Subscribe and follow me for updates
@@stephenbryson5618 not disagreeing but you will lose more on a 18k in 4 years part ex 11k compared to a 9k Voge after 4 years 5k worse case 7k vs 4k 🤔
Your privilege. I get the same negative comments about my Voge 300 Rally with people telling me I will loose big time with depreciation. It’s a myth. My oldest friend recently traded in his 18 month old GS1250 for a V4 Multistrada. He lost £8000 In depreciation. That’s twice what my Voge cost. If I get 10 years out of my Voge riding it on the tracks and trails around my house it will have been a bargain. As it’s replacing a Suzuki DR125 that lived that life for 20 years I don’t think that I’ve got much to worry about. You will look very nice on your BMW with all your designer motorcycle gear and Shoei helmet buy I for one will be thinking there goes a man with more money to burn than good taste or common sense.
The problem is not the manufacture of the bike. The Chinese are more than capable of producing quality machinery using tech from the West. The issue is whether the importer to whatever country is capable of keeping up with delivery, parts backup and warranty. Without proper support the brand will fail.
Im not sure any tech from the west is better than tech from the East. I have friends living and teaching in China and they tell me they are 5 years in front. All bike and modern tech is built in China, Apple for example, most of BMWs engines , KTM Chinese owned, MG cars, BMW parallel twin engines built in China for 20 year's. It's all western greed especially from BMW . They only make the boxer engine everything else is Chinese
@RobertNiewenhuis True, But the Voge 400 scooter is identical to the BMW 400 scooter. I'm sure BMW wouldn't have a manufacturer who built shoddy products with their name on. They are also producing Engines for some of the big name manufacturer in the world. Their facilities are cutting edge. But yes you are right size does not matter.
@RobertNiewenhuis It's true a lot of junk motorcycles came out of China, but I genuinely think they have upped their game. The difference now is the components, if your son serviced a DSX 900, he would be familiar with all the parts, Bosch , Brembo, KYB. Plus a long term tested engine that BMW use. In the past, I guess they used their own parts and consumables, now most bikes are built in Thailand or Malaysia, Triumph for one but they all have quality components. That's the difference. But yes I get your Son's standpoint. But the same thing was said about Japanese bikes in the 70s to start with. In all probability no bike manufacturer will have long now with the possibility that no new petrol bikes will be allowed for sale in 10 years or so. But who knows. Thanks for your comments. My 6 month review is uploading now.
@@kfkwAL7 I don't think anyone can make a bike under 9k fully loaded. Plus I'm guessing the F850GS fully specced would to the same level as the DSX 900 would be way more than £129 a month on PCP
@@mariusanderson358 Front wheel 21 inch tub less with Pirelli scorpion rally tyre. Fuel Consumption 4.4L per 100 km it about 65 uk miles per UK gallon. Combined to riding, road and sport
@@motechRevolution Thanks for your reply. I’m toying with vstrom 800 re and the Voge ! Birmingham show coming so decision time then. Looks like if go for Voge I might have a wait. 21’’ front wheel the norm for off road but 22’’ I’ve never heard of. Thanks again 👍
Here is Spain servicing at the main dealership not a problem. Spares, who knows but that’s pretty much across the board now with a lot of makes. From what I am seeing here in Spain, Loncin are committed to making the VOGE brand a premium mark. Things ship relatively quick from China, Ali express is a good Example most things arrive in a week or less. Service parts will be in dealerships I’m sure, replacement parts body etc will most likely need to be ordered.
I had my bike since sept 10th, riding it here in Norway, my fuel consumption is 4,77 on average. 4300 km in three weeks tells you I love this bike :) Two longer trips(about 1000km each) The last 2000km have been in Road mode.
Good morning. What's your height? Have you adjusted the handlebar at all? Or have you heard / done any modifications for better riding? I was also thinking about seat rising. I'm 1.85m tall.
@@AngeloGi I am 1.78cm but your inside leg measurement is more important. I have fitted bar raisers. I think you will be fine with bar raisers and removing the foot peg rubbers ✌🏻
@@motechRevolutionI seem to have a hard time turning the wheel all the way, like my hands get fully extended before I can turn the bike fully. Do you have any advice on why that might be?
@@AngeloGi loosen the bar clamps and rotate the bars back towards you, you will have to readjust the mirrors and levers I moved mine back when I got it and put 30mm raisers on as well.
Sent emails to the UK distributor, the local dealer and Voge direct. No reply from any of them so absolutely no confidence in Voge whatsoever. If this is the customer service in the UK, forget it, I don’t care how cheap your bikes are, I am no longer interested. Good luck to those who already bought.
@@VStrom2019 Voge do not have an official footprint in the UK that’s the problem, they are sold by MotoGB. In Spain we have a full official network and webpage. Webpage below, open it in chrome and it will translate to English vogespain.es/?_gl=1%2A6nm1ji%2A_up%2AMQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQiA88a5BhDPARIsAFj595jgX-AjbBIi5T9lgaAmK-cP1-i22DnDAsxjOxQDIKmpE1n3P5sNHEkaApiBEALw_wcB
These good new brands, Voge, CFMoto, QJ Motors are shifting the bike market in many western countries. There are new 1200 cc, 125-135 hp bikes coming from these new successful brands. Is this going to be a new mini armageddon ? Are new anti-china taxes coming ?
@@plwn6468 yes QJ are making inroads, what may slow the invasion down, is as you say possible tax against Chinese brands, plus The US total possible ban on Chinese vehicles with TFT screens and phone connectabilty
It’s a direct copy, literally, apart from the engine everything else is chinesium, low quality metal, will probably rust faster than a bmw, weaker bearings, seals etc
@@finesoul677 time will tell, but BMW have a shed load of recalls, mines still great after 7 months and 5k , lots of 10 to 15k bikes here in Spain. The Engine is Chinese also lol, just like the previous BMW engine was made and designed by Rotax ,Voge build complete bikes for BMW also, they are just badged BMW. On the DSX 900 all the components are top shelve. Suspension, Brakes, tyres, electronics. So unless the chassis cracks like the early GS 1150s we are good.
@@motechRevolution the consumption you give its too low.which makes happy,couse i have this on my list.in a video that was a guy with a transalp750 and another with this,the transalp did 100kms more with the same littres.and in general in reviews ,they dont give that low,more at 5.5-6/100kms...
@motechRevolution China's economy is very fragile , like a house of cards , they are great at stealing and obtaining what they want , the parts backup is susceptible to lots of delays nd the dealer networks leave a lot to be desired , these bikes need years of real world usage , my street triple has had a few wiring problems easily sorted with lots of methodical patience and my speed triple I bought second hand in 2006 is a beaut, so until they can prove longevity like other manufacturers the jury is still out !
@ In Spain parts are easily available and reasonably priced. But Voge have been here a long time, full dealer network, with I think 20 models. The UK uses an importer called MOTO GB so no direct network. The Spanish VOGE page is below. Open in Chrome to auto translate. 7 months in with my 900DSX it’s solid no problems. vogespain.es/modelos/900dsx/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAmMC6BhA6EiwAdN5iLVaelPBYs7sU_O3L2da67nRPPf63w8SIHy7pESPa-PqOaF9DAk2psBoCJO0QAvD_BwE
Good luck to the Chinese brands. The european manufacturers have been gouging customers for years. Thaiumph especially ,manufacturing bikes in a third world country but charging first world prices.
@@VesnaLambic I’m sure they said the same about the Japanese bike invasion of the 70s. If you’re riding a KTM or BMW twin it got a Chinese engine. Very few bikes are made in Europe
@@clivethomas7823 hi Clive, no the engine is a Loncin Voge Engine, Loncin have been building all of BMWs parallel twin engines for the last 20 years and also make complete bikes for BMW. It’s not a copy they manufacture the parts for BMW. BMW use Chinese built and designed engines, they used Austrian Rotax engines before.
Sorry but you get what you pay for. If it works for you and you want it then why not? For others who want a more premium experience that works also. No bike will suit everyone, and anyone watching an influencer really needs to do their own research first.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft you are exactly right, there is no perfect bike but in these times it’s prudent to do your own research. I have just uploaded a video about the posible loss through depreciation it’s quite interesting. Especially for premium brands thanks for your comments ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution I have owned many GS BMWs and I haven’t suffered much depreciation, which brands are you meaning? Ducati? If anyone did their research (I try before I buy), you would find out what most people don’t seem to mind, as in the BMW XR900 shares the same engine as that brand you are reviewing. I did look at one of the bikes you have there recently, the rust and tarnish was hideous after a few months of U.K. riding. Maybe good in Spain, but my eyes told me otherwise for the U.K. it’s pretty much horses for courses, if you are happy with a brand that needs some more tlc than a premium brand with decades of experience behind them, then go for it. As we all know every vehicle depreciates, but it really depends on how long you keep it and how you look after it.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft ok you are entitled you your opinion, your bike is not a GS and the Voge as only been in the uk a couple of weeks so we will See how it holds up To the weather ride safe my friend. I’m Happy that UK prices are holding up . Auto trader seems to contradict big I’m not there so I’m not sure✌🏻
@@motechRevolution I have a 2005 GS1150A and a 2019 GS1250, both are ridden a fair bit but are garaged. I live in Devon so the weather is pretty wet all year round. The GS1150 is immaculate and I’ve owned it from new. I bought it for £11500 with everything on it, aluminium panniers and almost all you could ad to it at the time. In the 20 years I have owned it it’s been everywhere around Europe etc, so it’s been ridden and had adventures. This bike is now worth in the region of £5-6k, that’s cost me £5-6k for 20 years riding. If you do the maths that’s around 240 months at a rate of £25pm I think anyone would say that’s not much depreciation. Let’s see what that bike you have there is worth in 12 months time.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft I agree totally, but you are talking about boxer engine bikes, they are made in their entirety by BMW, that is outside what I’m talking about. Plus yes I would buy a 1250 or 1300 GS if o could afford it. Excellent bikes ✌🏻
I still won't entertain the idea of buying a Chineseum bike. A motorcycle is a machine of many parts and if just one of those components is sub standard, it may be a risky buy.
@@djrichylaurence8991 that's ok buddy we all have free choice, I'm not trying to sell you a bike, I'm sharing my opinion, if I don't like a bike I sell it. I buy on intuition and research. I will hold my hands up the voge was a love hate relationship until the latest update. Now it's the best bike I have owned in 46 years riding. You are fully entitled to respond but you unlike me fail to answer my question. Do you ride a BMW parallel twin?
People in the UK think Chinese bike are bad this is political China is the strongest in the world and the most beautiful in the world and most developed in the world This bike is amazing and I can't wait to buy it IPhone original American and made in China
@motechRevolution Until they establish themselves as a company in the UK with spare parts, after care, honouring warranty claims etc, I'd not touch them.. don't get me wrong, for what they offer at the price, it's bloody good value, but it's still early doors yet. See how they hold up after a couple years.
They are not the same frame as 850 GS, not the same swing-arm, you are wrong and spreading misinformation, in fact apart from engine which also prob has some diff components I dont see anything the same, wheels are hard to tell. Im not saying the voge isnt a decent bike
@@guestappearance3211 there may be some slightly different castings, but they are virtually identical. The engine is the same, the VOGE 900 at the Italian motor show even had a BMW sticker on the Engine, I am guessing you are probably a GS rider, if not excuse me, ride safe ✌️
@@motechRevolution Virtually the same isn’t the same, once you know its not the same casting there can be many things actually different, thickness, strength. And a sticker means nothing, would you like me to buy you one on alliexpress. Same with swing arm, similair shape completely diff casting. And I cant see any other bit of bike the same, just similair. Swingar diff casting so anything can be diff, material, thickness….
Thanks for pointing this out. I took the info at face value from the video and you're correct it's not true. I can compare many areas to my F850GS and see there are differences. Maybe Voge improved some components? Who knows. But to state they are identical is incorrect. Also as an engineer, I would point out that even if 2 parts look identical, they still may be very different. Are they made out of an identical material? Are the tolerances equal? Do they go through the same processes and quality controls? We have no way of knowing this. This Voge looks like a great proposition. I seriously don't know which I would go for, a 2yr old F850GS or one of these brand new. Nice to have the choice available for sure.
The other 'main brands' deserve to be quaking,they have been ripping the customer off for a few years now, there is no reason they need to charge/price their products and the price they do motorcycles should not be a 'Luxury item'. I have felt this for a while now..as an example why are someone like BMW or Triumph (900cc examples) charging twice the price for more or less the same product WITHOUT all the extras Voge supply as standard.. we've been ripped off for too long so i really hope Voge and CFMoto do well and if i were in the market for a new ADV bike id certainly be looking at these.
@@stevesteve1965. Well said and obviously the sentiment of many, it’s hard enough in the current climate to
Manage. People in the past chose motorcycles as a more economical mode of transport. In many parts of the world it’s still a primary source of transportation. I not bothered about the badge, if it rides nice and puts a grin on face, that’s enough. It’s a feeling that only motorcyclists understand that’s a feeling that shouldn’t be taxed or exploited ✌🏻
QJ Motor is good value too.
It's likely that the chinese manufacturers pay their employees much less than fair market value for the equal work. As well as I can only imagine expected to work longer hours without equal pay compared to their counterpart companies. I won't buy a chinese bike, hell no!!!
@@smrttrvlr Well actually no, pay and living standards are higher in China believe it or not. Don't be fooled property prices there are crazy. We have friends teaching there they are on big money. China is more Capitalist than we are led to believe
@@smrttrvlr ,of course Chinese workers are paid less they have overall a much lower standard of living that's why everything made in china is significantly cheaper than western products..but then you have other brands that use far east labor and wages but still charge the full western price..so who's being exploited.? The western employed worker or the far eastern employed worker.?
I saw this bike at the dealership in King's Lynn when I dropped off my bike for the MOT last week. I was so impressed with the build quality, and the price was amazing. The salesman said they can't get them in quick enough.
@@drbedpan Same here in Spain ✌🏻
You have been constantly giving fair reviews of what I see as the bargain bike of the moment. I love this bike and all it offers to the purchaser. Not interested in politics as most countries have questionable ethics to varying degrees....one life, enjoy it 👍👍👍👍
@@JulianOLeary-nv5nc thanks for your comments, no politics involved it’s not worth going there, things being what they are globally. One thing I will say to the UK subscribers is Aldi, Lidl
Many years ago I was on my uppers, very little money, 4 kids on my own, I shopped at Aldi to save my house. People laughed at Aldi. That was nearly 30 years ago. They don’t laugh now. Ride safe friend enjoy life, and a huge thanks for your comments and support ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution I totally agree!! You can not question your bang for buck! It was the same when Japan first started exporting to the world, now everyone just enjoys their products. I must confess, I'm very jealous of the weather you get to enjoy your bike in.... Britain sure isn't Miami 🤣🤣👍👍
@@JulianOLeary-nv5nc hey in the Spring I'm sorting some tours and bikes out, I have accommodation, a large farmhouse in the mountains, I hoping to get some great ride outs with my community of friends. All welcome, try the real Spain
@@motechRevolution sounds like I need to get me a Voge 900 and head your way buddy 👍🤣👍🤣
@@motechRevolution A few years ago I wouldn't have bought anything Chinese that I could get made anywhere else, purely because of human rights concerns (in particular the persecution of the Uyghur minority) but since the genocide started in Palestine last year, those concerns have all gone out of the window. I went into a guitar shop in Surrey and asked if they had any Furch guitars (a very well-renowned Czech brand) and they told me they didn't have many, and invited me to try an Eastman, which when I asked them where they were from they said Beijing. I tried a couple of their Furch guitars but didn't buy (they only had a couple of the more expensive ones, beyond my price range). But Eastman guitars are a well-made product, comparable to western brands that cost at least twice as much (and absolutely not to Chinese sister brands of western makes like Gibson). Still haven't bought one. If I'm ever in the market for a big bike I might give one of these a look as we have a dealership not far from me. What's the MPG?
I've had a kove 450 rally over a year not a single issue, nothings broken, nothings rusted , as good as a KTM if not better
@@fozzy1717 Kove are great bikes they are marketed as Macbor here in Spain, Their entry in the Dakar was Impressive.
Sounds fantastic. Just to let you know. There's going to be a release on the same new 450 MT however with a new 800 engine.
So so happy you chose to make this video & making it clear it's your own bike that you've owned & ridden for numerous months.
Unlike every Granny & their Aunt putting out reviews in the UK, just picking one up from a dealer & having it for 45mins.
Almost pointless reviews in my opinion.
Take note all
@@keepitreal1547 thanks for your kind words, there is no perfect bike, and this wasn’t for a long time for me. But truly without any advantage to me. What I’m telling all my subscribers is that this is a superb bike. Any faults I will get out to my viewers. Keep those 2 wheels down my friend, keep riding and get that blade back on the road ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution
That's absolutely what you're doing, you're not afraid of telling all about the bike, fair play 👍
The Blade has cleaned up well today, I don't think I could ever sell it, it's a bike that's served me so so well 😀
So guys I’m signing out for tonight. I’ll be happy to answer any questions tomorrow. ✌🏻
The fact that so few according to your sources come back to the dealer for repair AND your own faultless bike for the last 6 month means a great deal to me. Reliability and comfort are my primary concerns with my next ADV bike. Looks like CFMOTO, VOGE and possibly KOVE are now on my radar. Thanks
I took a gamble with the CF Moto 3yrs with the 650 MT. And I love it . I've done over 13,000 miles touring Ireland Scotland & Wales. And she's never let me down No issues whatsoever. I took the first test ride of the Voge 900 in northern Ireland and have to say wow amazing Tec and a fantastic bike . Unlike CF Moto . They seem to be having trouble with distributing the bikes.northern Ireland only has 2 bikes and I'm told there's No More until next year? So what does this mean for parts servicing warranty? That said the bike looks feels & ride brilliantly. Not one issue or bad point on the test ride other than setting everything to my own linking and feel. It's better than the new triumph Tiger 900. And dare I say the CF Moto 800 explorer.-
@@mt650cfm your observations are probably right, but a week ago I may not have agreed. Most won’t have the 4.4 update for the DXS 900 but wow, it’s as good if not better than the competition. I’m lookup at the MT 450s to start a tour business. The crazy thing is that all these bikes can be made to run amazingly the MT 800 included, not sure what the logistics is here but In the interest of sales you would think the updates would be available. The only thing is that probably the dealerships cannot be bothered with updating bikes , time money etc. but a storm is brewing . Ride safe buddy ✌🏻
My local Royal Enfield dealer now supply Voge as well so popped down for a look yesterday. The bike looks great in every way. My only concern is how robust the new dealer network and back up(parts availability etc) is at the moment. I seen several dealers in my area take on CFMoto/Moto Morini etc then drop them within a year. I'll be watching with interest
What mpg are you getting? Can’t find any info anywhere about it.
Good video and it’s nice to hear your comments . I’m sure it’s reassuring for people looking to buy this bike .
Thanks Bruv for the very good honest true review.....for me if I have the money, I will buy a
BMW GS1300 or a Honda Africa Twin, but I'll be greatly grateful if I could afford this Vogue 900.....
@@mohdruslihussain7965 Thanks for your comments, In a world where money wasn't an issue we would have lots of choices. What Brands like Voge do is give everyone a chance of sharing a passion for Motorcycles.✌️
Great review. Having had various BM’s of the GS family and R family this bike is exceptional. Concur with the positive reviews. One question, Where did you film the review….looks glorious!!
We are in the mountains of Murcia Southern Spain, offering accommodation for tours in the new year
Went to look at a new 900. The fit and finish was fantastic. The only quality issue were the decals that were peeling on the edges. How are yours? Do you pressure wash?
Great videos, very informative 👌
@@stewartbolton9733 No I foam mine and wash by hose, ridden in 40c temps, no problems with decals
I am excited to see what it will cost in Germany, if they import there.
In Denmark it will cost twice as much because of the tax here :(
Great. background.....gotta love Spain....live here also....great bike
I have been saving for over 3 year to buy a bmw R 1250 GS and with the spec I wanted was going to be just over £20k.... well let's just say iv just put a deposit on this voge 900 dsx today and will have nearly £12000 to put back in my pocket
My question on the 4.4 update then would be if as you say it's so good when will voge officially release it to owners 🤔 as here is a perfect example of that customer service from a manufacturer and taking ownership of an issue
@@kevindarkstar I have addressed this before, but here are my thoughts. The 4.2 or 4.3 update are official but from Voge memos they say .4 or just under half an hour to update. Updates on any motorcycle are not compulsory or does the dealership need to contact users everytime there is an update, if a customer complains of bad riding experiences the dealership will probably offer to update. So it's my thinking with thousands of these bikes sold already in Europe no dealership will contact any buyers. When does a car company get in touch to update your sat nav or your car ECU, never. That's why companies make power commanders etc so you can change the map yourself. There is an Italian guy, I have just posted on here check out my post. He is re flashing Bosch ECUs they are the same for CF Moto and Voge. He is saying that it does not invalidate warranty. In years gone by motorcycles were alway re tuned at specialist garages, now it's all done through the ECU. The fact we can now flash from our phones is a bonus. You guys just need beta testers like me to confirm the improvements. Nobody need to change their bikes, it's your choice guys . I am glad I did.
The only question it begs is why did CF moto and Voge release these bikes with a bad ECU map. ?
Thanks for your video. in russia we have kove 800 pro for the same price. what do you think about this bike?
@@samy_yu The Love 800 is a great bike a lot lighter, it's more expensive here than the Voge but yes a real cool bike
Pour informations, je vous communique mon vécu concernant le mauvais ressenti de ma poignet d'embrayage. Je la trouvais rêche avec des mauvaises sensations. J'ai découvert d'où provener le problème. Au niveau de la fourche l'ensemble des câblages dont le câble d'embrayage étaient maintenus par un rislan. Ce dernier était "beaucoup" trop serré. Je l'ai retiré et détendu le câble puis j'ai remis un rislan modérément serré. Plus de soucis ;)
Thanks for sharing. The problem you are describing was brought up early on with the bike in forums. I was lucky because I added bar risers and had to loosen all the cables at that point. Good point though for other viewers, thanks for commenting. Ride safe ✌🏻
Great informative video.
Nice bike. What are the headlights like at night. Just wondering 🤔 thanks.
@@guystevens162 full LED and super bright. At night the fog lamps illuminate with the indicators to light the direction
@motechRevolution yes nice. Have to do a night ride lol.
@@guystevens162 yep must try it. The rear hazards flash if the rear radar detects vehicles too near. The tech on this bike can be off putting for some. But that has always been the case on every new bike
Good Review and by a guy who knows what he is talking about,but this is the second review in two days I've seen on this bike and neither have mentioned one of the most important features of most bikes(The Final drive) although I've not googled the bike yet,I was hoping one of these reviews would either tell us,OR show the other side of the bike,lol 😂.But No,but with this bike costing basically pennies it must be chain drive.I ride a chain drive bike but get sick of maintenance and rear wheel mess.This Bike looks pretty awesome,maybe bit low for my 6foot 7 height.😂
Curious to know if BMW developed and designed the parallel twin engine and gave the manufacturing to Loncin or Loncin developed the engine and BMW decided to use them in their bikes?
@@Whatreally123 from what I understand it's a Loncin development engine, just like the Rotax was made and developed by Rotax and is still used in many bikes. The Voge Rally 300 and the new 800 rally engines are from a collaboration with Kawasaki and as far as I know Kawasaki still use both engines. I was reading the other day that Honda also collaborate. Nothing new Nissan use Renault engines, its widespread in the car and bike industry.
this and the mt800 look great and so the benelli trk just like the most for now i trust japanase bikes only but these prices are great probably a best buy
@@solidsnake3861 thanks for the comments, Only time will tell, it was the same for Japanese bikes back in the Seventies ✌🏻
im looking for lowering kit fot this bike , do you think the kit for bmw f 850 this set would fit?
@@tomtomvtx Hi unless you have a quite small inside leg the bike is fairly low at 825. But if you set the rear adjustable suspension dial to a couple of clicks up from soft it’s even lower. I am not sure that the f850gs lowering kit is compatible, but it’s possible the chassis is almost the same
Hi! I am 187 cm tall, seems this bike is a bit low for me. I heard there are higher seats available for BMW F900GS. Is there smth similar for this Voge? Is BMW seat compatible with Voge ?
@@CrashmanRUS there is a website making higher seats, search (Uncle Wang) it’s early days with these bikes but if you look at the seat design you can see it’s possible. Also you could get the standard seat professionally re covered and raised. At this time Voge have not added a factory higher seat although there has been talk of them doing so. ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution thank you. Your videos are quite informative! Please keep doing what you are doing)
"On the Pegs" purchased a BMW seat and it did not fit. Look for his video on UA-cam....
In France Vogue sell a higher seat and still heated
@chriscourtenay2311 they are readily available now. Unless you have really long legs the standard seat is the safest
Hi Paul. Thank you for the overview of it. I just wonder if i am the only one that became pretty angry about the bike.
Well yes, subjektiv and objektive. But do objektive first. Main problem is the engine. From the start i have a lot of noise from ventiles and inner chain. All works but ratteling means to much tolerance inside usually. I compared the engine sound with BMW (old 800 and 850) and its far away from that. Also i ride the old f 800 GS with conventional (bowden) gas and it was like i like it. I ride a lot in town and it's pain in the back with the mapping (4.1) and the weight that behaves like a battelship in a bath tube on slow traffic. Fun is only on the motor/ freeway. But usually riding a motorcycle is most fun at speeds about 30 and 80km, riding to a beautiful landscape. In this range of speed it's still no fun to ride. Also my mirrors and the rear rack look like ten years old, light gray like i went to the desert. Ergonomic is strange also. Arms are nearly stretched and knee-angle is like a supersport bike. I watched my 1,96m friend on it and it looks strange (also feels) So you have to rise the handlebar and lower the foot pegs(no products for official use here germany) Also the seat is hard and wide for long distance (hard) and to wide if you like to move it while parking for example and also to low, but if you rise it you get into a strange position...
So my subjektive conclusion for what kind of people this bike would make happy.
ADV traveling more tarmac than gravel road. Scorpion tires are nice for freeway but for gravel better get some 70/30 tires.
Shorter than 1,80m riders.
Off road only if you have experience with some BMW 1250/ 1300 GS or Multistrada or training.
Well, you get a lot of bike for the money, but in my case i regret it a bit. This handling and bad mapping is killing my fun. Every motorcyclist know what i mean.
You need update bike to 4.3 or 4.4
I understand exactly what you mean, to make the bike totally different to ride you need the 4.4 update. It totally changes the bike, it totally gets rid of the agricultural engine note, it irons out the throttle and because the engine is revving as it should it refines the slow speeds manoeuvring by keeping the centrifugal forces stable. The ergonomics of the bike need to be adjusted for some people, that’s the only time I would use the price as a reason for not including adjustable seat height etc, a bar raiser made my riding position perfect. The Scorpion tyres are road biases for sure, that’s one thing I intend to swap at some point, I have had the back end step out a few times on sandy bends. But honestly my friend you will thing you are on a GS if you do the 4.4 update, it really is that good. ✌🏻
Just as a follow on Marc, yes I had quite a few frustrations with the bike, the fix 4.4 now it’s the bike we should have received. Ride safe buddy✌🏻
@@motechRevolution Hi Paul, don't get me wrong. It is not only the throttle response, it's the sound of ventiles and more the inner chains (don't know the english word at the moment) something very mechanical and in my eyes totally mechanical. But we will see. In germany the dealer only have 4.3 so i have to wait a few days. Because of ergonomic i wonder why the handlebar distance is for giants and the seat to footpeg is for dwarfs, it does not correspond.
My problem is a specific problem, if i want to rise the bar and low the pegs i need something with official stamp and at the moment there is nothing on the market, and i am nearly sure there won't be soon. I am willing to pay but i can't 😅
@@motechRevolution Thanks Paul. Sorry to load my sort of frustration here, but it looks like bikers are much more tolerant than car drivers 😄
Hi I've heard it will not run on E10 petrol and the MPG is quite poor? As this is your bike i would like to no view please
@@chrisarmes5293 I wouldn't run any motorcycle on E10 it's really bad with ethanol added. Fortunately we don't have it here in Spain so much all E5 95 or 98 octane. I get mixed riding sports/ Road with luggage and a pillion 4.5 litres to 100 KMs so for a 900 cc machine it's very economical. About 65 miles per UK gallon.
@motechRevolution thank you very much 😊
This bike looks amazing! lots of fake comments being posted no doubt from competitors.
It certainly has shaken the Market up. This bike along with the CF Moto 450 MT are only available on pre order with a 3 to 6 months wait. They cannot build them quick enough to meet demand
well i seated on the bike once and it was an instant no go...cushion curves so that your crouch can only touch fuel tank with fwd slope and cushion itself is very problematic only supporting cheaks of your bottom not providing overall feel...very unfortunate cause it could be a real option to replace my good old tiger800 xcx
@@sercanorcaner3666 I find the seat comfortable but not everyone does. On the website (Uncle Wang) they are doing replacement seats. ✌🏻
I had to remould seats with extra gel on my new R9t and Ducati Multistrada 1260 both more expensive than voge what I find annoying is lack of adjustability in pegs bars etc u think all bikes were only built for 6 foot tall apes
I'm considering buying this bike... The only thing that makes me think is hot air from the engine on the left leg. I've read many comments about it. Some people say it's absolutely manageable. Some cry out about BURNS and pain.
What's the truth?
Can you please give me your feedback? I live in Italy and here in summer can get quite hot...
@@ila9619 Yes sure, it ran hot on the original software, I never had any left leg issues, but even at 40c I wore trousers and not shorts. The 4.4 update makes a huge difference, doesn’t get as hot now although we are down to around 31c now. It’s not an issue in my opinion unless you ride in shorts ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution thanks man!
Have BMW said they'll service these ? how many miles has the bike done ?
@@inspectorclouseau3880 I have covered 4k but lots of bikes here on Spain have already done 15k or more, We have Voge main dealerships here it's an established brand. So servicing is not a problem, first full service on mine was €160
@@motechRevolution Ho percorso 15k con la mia DS525 e nessun problema, solo divertimento. Tutti i tagliandi in linea con i tuoi costi. Ora la moto è come un violino e sono talmente soddisfatto che a Gennaio passerò all 900 DSX, grazie anche alla super valutazione della mia 525 di 1 anno. Buona Voge a tutti 😉
So I see a lot of butt hurt BMW owners it's the same here in Spain. If you ask them if they ride a BMW especially with a Chinese engine, well they go into meltdown, subscribe for some real revelations about the bike market. Take a deep breath guys we are supposed to be brothers we want to ride and share our experiences.. Thanks for all the support and hate . I'm a big boy and I can take it . That said I would have a single malt with any of you . Stay tuned I have questions for you guys next . ✌️
Probably fine if you want to hang on to it, but your resale value will be poor if you want a change of bikes.
A friend of mine has his own motorcycle sales and repair shop in Belfast, he is inundated with BMW's that are just out of warranty or over three years old. Failures such as sensors, rear diff bearings or seals, electrical and injector problems. I showed him videos of this Voge and he remarked.. If you plan on keeping it for long term avoid it, not because its Chinese, because its a BMW clone.....
@@Team-fabulous now that is very interesting, the only address I can have is that we have a full Five year unconditional mileage free warranty here in Spain so long as you have the obligatory main services. Time will tell on this one ✌🏻
@@Team-fabulous no rear differential on the Voge and I’m sure injectors or electrical problems will be better sorted by a Chinese company than a European one, I have friends working in China they tell me the tech is 5 years ahead of the west. Could be wrong but looking at the 30 year old battered Chinese scooters still running here in Spain I’ll take my chances
@@Team-fabulous it’s not a BMW clone lol. This company makes BMWs bikes and engines
@@motechRevolution I think for the price it's very hard not to consider the Voge but second hand values could be interesting or concerning depending what side of the fence you're on🤫😁
@@motechRevolution that's worse 😁🤣😁
Why don't they sort out the ecu at the dealers?
@@roadwarrior8560 mmm think about it , Time and money, there have been thousands of DSX 900s sold in Spain each one say half an hour to update, what manufacturer does that, traditionally you buy your bike and that’s it. With these bikes costing so little the profit margins are low for the dealers. They will only update if clients persist. A week ago my bike was ok. Now it’s superb. I guess the Voge community will be pivotal in future updates. Subscribe and follow me for updates
Just waiting to buy a 2 year old one at 50% rrp.
@@kfkwAL7 keep waiting buddy maybe in the UK. No chance here in Spain, plus they are going up in price next year.
It comes down to dealer network not just the uk, and the resale values are worth very little I’ll take the bmw any day..
@@stephenbryson5618 not disagreeing but you will lose more on a 18k in 4 years part ex 11k compared to a 9k Voge after 4 years 5k worse case 7k vs 4k 🤔
@@stephenbryson5618 BMW give the worst part ex prices
Only after Triumph 😉
@@stephenbryson5618 bmw f850gs on bike trader 50 percent loss in 2 years 🤔
Your privilege. I get the same negative comments about my Voge 300 Rally with people telling me I will loose big time with depreciation. It’s a myth. My oldest friend recently traded in his 18 month old GS1250 for a V4 Multistrada. He lost £8000 In depreciation. That’s twice what my Voge cost. If I get 10 years out of my Voge riding it on the tracks and trails around my house it will have been a bargain. As it’s replacing a Suzuki DR125 that lived that life for 20 years I don’t think that I’ve got much to worry about. You will look very nice on your BMW with all your designer motorcycle gear and Shoei helmet buy I for one will be thinking there goes a man with more money to burn than good taste or common sense.
The problem is not the manufacture of the bike. The Chinese are more than capable of producing quality machinery using tech from the West.
The issue is whether the importer to whatever country is capable of keeping up with delivery, parts backup and warranty. Without proper support the brand will fail.
Im not sure any tech from the west is better than tech from the East. I have friends living and teaching in China and they tell me they are 5 years in front. All bike and modern tech is built in China, Apple for example, most of BMWs engines , KTM Chinese owned, MG cars, BMW parallel twin engines built in China for 20 year's. It's all western greed especially from BMW . They only make the boxer engine everything else is Chinese
Supply chain as you say is the key
You have to remember that LONCIN may be the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the World period
@RobertNiewenhuis True, But the Voge 400 scooter is identical to the BMW 400 scooter. I'm sure BMW wouldn't have a manufacturer who built shoddy products with their name on. They are also producing Engines for some of the big name manufacturer in the world. Their facilities are cutting edge. But yes you are right size does not matter.
@RobertNiewenhuis It's true a lot of junk motorcycles came out of China, but I genuinely think they have upped their game. The difference now is the components, if your son serviced a DSX 900, he would be familiar with all the parts, Bosch , Brembo, KYB. Plus a long term tested engine that BMW use. In the past, I guess they used their own parts and consumables, now most bikes are built in Thailand or Malaysia, Triumph for one but they all have quality components. That's the difference. But yes I get your Son's standpoint. But the same thing was said about Japanese bikes in the 70s to start with. In all probability no bike manufacturer will have long now with the possibility that no new petrol bikes will be allowed for sale in 10 years or so. But who knows. Thanks for your comments. My 6 month review is uploading now.
BMW f850gs is the same price on a pcp @£129 a month. To be a success the voge needs to be considerably cheaper. Most new bikes are financed
@@kfkwAL7 I don't think anyone can make a bike under 9k fully loaded. Plus I'm guessing the F850GS fully specced would to the same level as the DSX 900 would be way more than £129 a month on PCP
Great info
Fuel consumption?
Front wheel size?
@@mariusanderson358 Front wheel 21 inch tub less with Pirelli scorpion rally tyre. Fuel Consumption 4.4L per 100 km it about 65 uk miles per UK gallon. Combined to riding, road and sport
@@motechRevolution Thanks for your reply.
I’m toying with vstrom 800 re and the Voge !
Birmingham show coming so decision time then.
Looks like if go for Voge I might have a wait.
21’’ front wheel the norm for off road but 22’’ I’ve never heard of.
Thanks again 👍
@@motechRevolution Surely that should read a 21" front wheel?
@@patkennedy1 typo yes 21 inch tubeless up front
Spares and service situation?
Here is Spain servicing at the main dealership not a problem. Spares, who knows but that’s pretty much across the board now with a lot of makes. From what I am seeing here in Spain, Loncin are committed to making the VOGE brand a premium mark. Things ship relatively quick from China, Ali express is a good Example most things arrive in a week or less. Service parts will be in dealerships I’m sure, replacement parts body etc will most likely need to be ordered.
@@motechRevolution Thankyou
Hi, I'm interested in the fuel consumption
With the 4.4 update, 4.2l/100km in Road mode changing up around 5k revs.
4.5/100km sports mode fast riding✌🏻
I had my bike since sept 10th, riding it here in Norway, my fuel consumption is 4,77 on average. 4300 km in three weeks tells you I love this bike :) Two longer trips(about 1000km each) The last 2000km have been in Road mode.
@@janinge67 what grade oil did they put in at the first service, maybe a summer oil? I would have thought the standard 10w 40 but you never know
@@motechRevolution Motorex 5W 40. 4T Top Speed. My brother recommend Castrol motoroil
@@janinge67 that's the correct oil for colder climates
All it's got to do is be more reliable than KTM at the present time and people will buy them and that shouldn't be too hard.
"more reliable than KTM" can't be that difficult 😂
@kwakithailand True with the Cam problems 😉
Great review 5+++++
@@laurenceharvey6202 thanks for your support ✌🏻
What's the mileage you ve done
@@flexywing 4200 up to now, but I'm using a couple of other bikes as well I've covered about 8k on them over the summer
@@motechRevolution Thats a good mileage to get to know a bike
@@flexywing It probably down to the weather here. A lot of guys have done 10k plus
Minimum seat height ?
@@geraldwood5636 825mm but on 3 or 4 clicks up from the softest rear shock setting it's easy to flat foot
Good morning. What's your height? Have you adjusted the handlebar at all? Or have you heard / done any modifications for better riding? I was also thinking about seat rising. I'm 1.85m tall.
@@AngeloGi I am 1.78cm but your inside leg measurement is more important. I have fitted bar raisers. I think you will be fine with bar raisers and removing the foot peg rubbers ✌🏻
@@motechRevolutionI seem to have a hard time turning the wheel all the way, like my hands get fully extended before I can turn the bike fully. Do you have any advice on why that might be?
@@AngeloGi loosen the bar clamps and rotate the bars back towards you, you will have to readjust the mirrors and levers I moved mine back when I got it and put 30mm raisers on as well.
Sent emails to the UK distributor, the local dealer and Voge direct. No reply from any of them so absolutely no confidence in Voge whatsoever. If this is the customer service in the UK, forget it, I don’t care how cheap your bikes are, I am no longer interested. Good luck to those who already bought.
@@VStrom2019 Voge do not have an official footprint in the UK that’s the problem, they are sold by MotoGB. In Spain we have a full official network and webpage. Webpage below, open it in chrome and it will translate to English
vogespain.es/?_gl=1%2A6nm1ji%2A_up%2AMQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQiA88a5BhDPARIsAFj595jgX-AjbBIi5T9lgaAmK-cP1-i22DnDAsxjOxQDIKmpE1n3P5sNHEkaApiBEALw_wcB
These good new brands, Voge, CFMoto, QJ Motors are shifting the bike market in many western countries. There are new 1200 cc, 125-135 hp bikes coming from these new successful brands. Is this going to be a new mini armageddon ? Are new anti-china taxes coming ?
@@plwn6468 yes QJ are making inroads, what may slow the invasion down, is as you say possible tax against Chinese brands, plus The US total possible ban on Chinese vehicles with TFT screens and phone connectabilty
@@motechRevolution 🤣🤣🤣, 😁😬. US and EU/UK politics are so kinky nowadays.
@@motechRevolution 🤣🤣😂, 😁😬🤐. Yeah, k-nky politics. Looking like YT is banning the word k_nky !!
It’s a direct copy, literally, apart from the engine everything else is chinesium, low quality metal, will probably rust faster than a bmw, weaker bearings, seals etc
@@finesoul677 time will tell, but BMW have a shed load of recalls, mines still great after 7 months and 5k , lots of 10 to 15k bikes here in Spain. The Engine is Chinese also lol, just like the previous BMW engine was made and designed by Rotax ,Voge build complete bikes for BMW also, they are just badged BMW. On the DSX 900 all the components are top shelve. Suspension, Brakes, tyres, electronics. So unless the chassis cracks like the early GS 1150s we are good.
can you tell me the average fuel economy in 100km?not auntie riding
@@thodoris3790 hi yes if I am riding hard in sports with hi revs gear changes I’m getting 4.5 to 100km. In Road mode normal riding 4.2/100km
@@motechRevolution are you a voge dealer?
@@thodoris3790 No just a keen moto blogger
@@motechRevolution the consumption you give its too low.which makes happy,couse i have this on my list.in a video that was a guy with a transalp750 and another with this,the transalp did 100kms more with the same littres.and in general in reviews ,they dont give that low,more at 5.5-6/100kms...
@@thodoris3790 it’s a very fuel efficient bike, better after the 4.4 software update.
Buying a chinese bike is a hot topic , my take is if the western manufacturers never got into bed with China they would still be twenty years behind !
@@andyhoward940 true we have friends who work in China, they say china is 5 years ahead of the rest of us. There is a lot of money there.
@motechRevolution China's economy is very fragile , like a house of cards , they are great at stealing and obtaining what they want , the parts backup is susceptible to lots of delays nd the dealer networks leave a lot to be desired , these bikes need years of real world usage , my street triple has had a few wiring problems easily sorted with lots of methodical patience and my speed triple I bought second hand in 2006 is a beaut, so until they can prove longevity like other manufacturers the jury is still out !
@ In Spain parts are easily available and reasonably priced. But Voge have been here a long time, full dealer network, with I think 20 models. The UK uses an importer called MOTO GB so no direct network. The Spanish VOGE page is below. Open in Chrome to auto translate. 7 months in with my 900DSX it’s solid no problems.
vogespain.es/modelos/900dsx/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAmMC6BhA6EiwAdN5iLVaelPBYs7sU_O3L2da67nRPPf63w8SIHy7pESPa-PqOaF9DAk2psBoCJO0QAvD_BwE
Good luck to the Chinese brands.
The european manufacturers have been gouging customers for years.
Thaiumph especially ,manufacturing bikes in a third world country but charging first world prices.
@@Boksburg1982 The penny has finally dropped with a lot of people, over priced motorcycles. Now people get a choice,
Life is too short to drive Chinese motorcycles.
@@VesnaLambic I’m sure they said the same about the Japanese bike invasion of the 70s. If you’re riding a KTM or BMW twin it got a Chinese engine. Very few bikes are made in Europe
So they have nicked everything from BMW!
@@clivethomas7823 hi Clive, no the engine is a Loncin Voge Engine, Loncin have been building all of BMWs parallel twin engines for the last 20 years and also make complete bikes for BMW. It’s not a copy they manufacture the parts for BMW. BMW use Chinese built and designed engines, they used Austrian Rotax engines before.
Sorry but you get what you pay for.
If it works for you and you want it then why not? For others who want a more premium experience that works also. No bike will suit everyone, and anyone watching an influencer really needs to do their own research first.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft you are exactly right, there is no perfect bike but in these times it’s prudent to do your own research. I have just uploaded a video about the posible loss through depreciation it’s quite interesting. Especially for premium brands thanks for your comments ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution
I have owned many GS BMWs and I haven’t suffered much depreciation, which brands are you meaning? Ducati?
If anyone did their research (I try before I buy), you would find out what most people don’t seem to mind, as in the BMW XR900 shares the same engine as that brand you are reviewing.
I did look at one of the bikes you have there recently, the rust and tarnish was hideous after a few months of U.K. riding. Maybe good in Spain, but my eyes told me otherwise for the U.K.
it’s pretty much horses for courses, if you are happy with a brand that needs some more tlc than a premium brand with decades of experience behind them, then go for it.
As we all know every vehicle depreciates, but it really depends on how long you keep it and how you look after it.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft ok you are entitled you your opinion, your bike is not a GS and the Voge as only been in the uk a couple of weeks so we will
See how it holds up
To the weather ride safe my friend. I’m
Happy that UK prices are holding up . Auto trader seems to contradict big I’m not there so I’m not sure✌🏻
@@motechRevolution
I have a 2005 GS1150A and a 2019 GS1250, both are ridden a fair bit but are garaged. I live in Devon so the weather is pretty wet all year round.
The GS1150 is immaculate and I’ve owned it from new. I bought it for £11500 with everything on it, aluminium panniers and almost all you could ad to it at the time.
In the 20 years I have owned it it’s been everywhere around Europe etc, so it’s been ridden and had adventures.
This bike is now worth in the region of £5-6k, that’s cost me £5-6k for 20 years riding. If you do the maths that’s around 240 months at a rate of £25pm
I think anyone would say that’s not much depreciation.
Let’s see what that bike you have there is worth in 12 months time.
@@TheFlaneur-up1ft I agree totally, but you are talking about boxer engine bikes, they are made in their entirety by BMW, that is outside what I’m talking about. Plus yes I would buy a 1250 or 1300 GS if o could afford it. Excellent bikes ✌🏻
I still won't entertain the idea of buying a Chineseum bike. A motorcycle is a machine of many parts and if just one of those components is sub standard, it may be a risky buy.
@@djrichylaurence8991 that's ok buddy we all have free choice, I'm not trying to sell you a bike, I'm sharing my opinion, if I don't like a bike I sell it. I buy on intuition and research. I will hold my hands up the voge was a love hate relationship until the latest update. Now it's the best bike I have owned in 46 years riding. You are fully entitled to respond but you unlike me fail to answer my question. Do you ride a BMW parallel twin?
@@djrichylaurence8991 Enjoy your GS with a Chinese engine ✌️
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People in the UK think Chinese bike are bad this is political
China is the strongest in the world and the most beautiful in the world and most developed in the world
This bike is amazing and I can't wait to buy it
IPhone original American and made in China
Still rather buy a used bmw with 2 years warranty and have regular spare parts, after care, and renowned reputation.
Or a Voge 900DSX with 5 years warranty for half price. We all have a choice 😉
@motechRevolution Until they establish themselves as a company in the UK with spare parts, after care, honouring warranty claims etc, I'd not touch them.. don't get me wrong, for what they offer at the price, it's bloody good value, but it's still early doors yet. See how they hold up after a couple years.
@@inked-96 from a UK prospective I can see your point.
U will need the warranty
@@volt8684 hopefully not there are some big mileage DSX 900s here in Spain no faults so far
They are not the same frame as 850 GS, not the same swing-arm, you are wrong and spreading misinformation, in fact apart from engine which also prob has some diff components I dont see anything the same, wheels are hard to tell. Im not saying the voge isnt a decent bike
@@guestappearance3211 there may be some slightly different castings, but they are virtually identical. The engine is the same, the VOGE 900 at the Italian motor show even had a BMW sticker on the Engine, I am guessing you are probably a GS rider, if not excuse me, ride safe ✌️
@@motechRevolution Virtually the same isn’t the same, once you know its not the same casting there can be many things actually different, thickness, strength. And a sticker means nothing, would you like me to buy you one on alliexpress. Same with swing arm, similair shape completely diff casting. And I cant see any other bit of bike the same, just similair. Swingar diff casting so anything can be diff, material, thickness….
Thanks for pointing this out. I took the info at face value from the video and you're correct it's not true. I can compare many areas to my F850GS and see there are differences.
Maybe Voge improved some components? Who knows. But to state they are identical is incorrect.
Also as an engineer, I would point out that even if 2 parts look identical, they still may be very different. Are they made out of an identical material? Are the tolerances equal? Do they go through the same processes and quality controls? We have no way of knowing this.
This Voge looks like a great proposition. I seriously don't know which I would go for, a 2yr old F850GS or one of these brand new. Nice to have the choice available for sure.