Black flash from jjk would be sickkkk, I always compare perfect inputs with hitting a black flash. I mean they have golden sparks and perfect omen having a different animation a perfect black electric would make sense and would look cool asf
@@balladin9200i like the idea if a black electric but that seems more like a Jin perfect input thing than any of the other mishimas. We know reina gets purple and hold like how heihachi gets blue, gold, and orange, with Kazuya being purified by the end of the story of T8, maybe he could get a green electric (since Jun has her nature thing going on)
I remember when I was 13 I wanted to do electrics so bad in tekken 6 that i practice almost everyday for hours. It got to the point I rubbed the skin off my thumb. But I got it eventually
That's why I switched to stick it's way easier. I can still do ewgf on pad but it's harder plus wavu is harder imo it's all preference tho pad Mishimas blow my mind 😅
im still impressed by the fact that you can do a perfect electric by NOT doing the neutral part of the wind god step, which is counter intuitive to how the move appears in the command list.
to me it looks like an arrow pointing up or a shadowy strawhat samurai waiting to strike😂😂😂I just put 2 red eyes on the front of th- ...oh wait now I see it...wtf😂
11:10 for anyone new, just know this is only the perfect electric notation, but not a perfect electric. The neutral input would have to be 1 frame long, and the same goes for the down input on the other perfect electric notation
Howcome the duration of the forward input doesn't matter for example if the number next to my forward is 4 doesn't that mean I held forward for 4 frames?
@@shitshow575The forward input also matters. Neutral and forward should both be 1 frame or Neutral and down should be 1 frame depending on your input.
@@shitshow575 it only matters if you are doing it in neutral. If you are trying to punish something -13 all that matters is that you release the forward input on the first frame after blocking and complete the rest of the perfect electric input
@@РоманСмородов-л2в It's literally a perfect input for those characters. That's their fastest electric f,d,df2 it's the same difficulty. I use it sometimes as -14 back int T7 and the same for Kazuya -13
I think ppl are confused at this because what you actually mean is that in t7 dvj and heihachi didn’t have perfect electrics but their perfectly executed regular electric was 14f
Best explanation so far I now understand what it means to be perfect it’s truly getting it done in 13 frames damn! I always thought just getting the animation was enough but I now understand the power it is to have a move that u can pull off in 13 frames. Really like the analogy that u used - even if I read my opponent, if they can get it off in 13 and I’m getting my read off in say 18 or 20 frames… IM COOKED!
Good looking out SWE, needed this one my boy. Never really been a Mishima guy (played some Reina n enjoyed it though) but Im loving getting acquainted with his tool kit and the more defensive playstyle
People who want to practice PEWGF there are few set ups in practise you can do. As Reina for example go to Practice, at practice setting enable counter hit for yourself and put opponent for sanding, and after 1 hit standing block. use Heaven's Wrath 1 (d+1+2, 1) and then do electric as fast as you can. There is 13 frame time to hit the electric. if u fail PEWGF you hit to block, if u succeed Electric will connect. As Kazuya get df+2 counter hit and input electric, when opponent flies high to the sky, you have succeeded with PEWGF. Hope this helps for those who didn't know.
Heihachi is so amazing ❤ Hard did him justice. Combos the true ones, the hardest ones look so majestic and powerful. There is no other character like old Mishima!
TMM, it’s good that you finally have your command history on so people can see what you are doing. perhaps check your frames, some of those electrics weren’t perfect electrics. at any rate, i enjoyed your impression of your jin 0:14 very cute lol
Sometimes we forget wind god fist also has uses such as whiff punishing 1nd high crushing, since electrics are supposed to be fast, oftentimes they won't dodge much, but if you wait in wind god step and then press 2 for wind godd fist you can have cool punishment while only losing 3 damage
A few mistakes were made here by TMM while presenting both versions of the perfect electric that will further spread misinformation and misconceptions across the community. The command history in this game not only tells you what you are inputting but also tells you for how many frames you have held down the direction or button which is the number next to it. (The minimum being 1 frame per input) 1. @9:00 That is NOT a perfect a electric. Even though the down input is 1 frame and the neutral is skipped, the forward input is 4 frames which means the electric was 5 + 11 = 16 frames instead of a perfect 13 frame. (Also pointed out by urahairywizard1 in chat @9:24) 2. @11:09 That is also NOT a perfect electric either because as you can see the forward is inputted for 3 frames and then theres 3 frames of neutral. So thats a 6 + 11 = 17 frame electric So if you are practicing perfect electrics with command history on, you not only have to look at what the input is saying but also the number next to it. Your command history should show 1 next to the forward, 1 next to the neutral or down, and then down forward and right punch. (The number here doesn't matter because the move animation starts as soon as you reach this point)
Excellent comment. 1. It's 13f in hit or block stun if you release the forward on the first active frame so the forward can be pressed for longer than 1f. In neutral it's absolutely what you said.
@@UltimateBallaPOM I glossed over at the first instance too thinking the same as you given that he was talking about punishing -13 moves in this video. But the second instance made me realize its definitely an oversight on his part. And I only made this comment for anyone who is thinking of spending hours and hours in the lab grinding out perfect electrics. Cuz if they can't recognize whether they have failed or succeeded at the input; or even worse, get a false sense of positive feedback because their command history looked "the same as mainman" then that would be a lot of time wasted for that person and/or develop bad muscle memory.
@@aqueelkadri8371 Oh, definitely. I was adding on to what you were saying. Stick and pad users are going to find it extremely hard to press forward for 1f so I added that, outside of neutral, it doesn't have to be 1f of forward(punishing -13 or PEWGF after df2).
I play on pad and honestly find it easier to do perfect electric over regular, it took a while for me to learn devil Jin because not skipping the down input was tricky for me to retrain. Great video and thanks for including command history!
@@brendanmcnally2643 Don't abandon your 14f electric training. The perfect electric method doesn't work out of dashes, and dash electrics improves your offensive and defensive gameplay.
If you play on pad one thing my friend told me to help me get them consistent is press f , 2 then df right after 2 (yes you are suppose to press it at the same time but you have 2 frames to press simultaneously)
Don't feel too bad man. Control is harder than most of these people using keyboard and hit boxes etc. It took me a month or 2 to get half decent with reina but I switched characters and then picked up Heihachi... I'm now like a arthritic toddler with my timing 😂
I think the notation with the Neutral frame has more synergy with the old Omen Thunder God Fist so old Heihachi players would feel more at home with this version
@TheMainManSwe thank you so much, after watching this video and receiving feedback from a friend; I finally found out that I can hold the electric input at the end of each ewgf its made doing them a lot easier with my k lever. your ewgf was at 20- 23 frames. mine were normally at 5 -7 frames and didn't understand why, now I do.
you are saying you can't buffer a perfect electric but i find myself hitting it more when i buffer the 2 input right after i press forward to neutral. The frame data and animations are the exact same as the one you are showing as a "perfect," electric. Interesting. Also i still use the down input as well to hit it so maybe that's why. I just tried your way as well without using the down input and it does seem the fastest way to hit it but harder to time for sure.
I discovered that playing Tekken on Keyboard is better then anything else i have tryed. Even the electrics are easier..... I just broke one keyboard till i master my first Heihachi electric, but thats a different story :P
@@shawn60068 Yes, like Jin :) But on the other hand - its only the fingers that have tension. Since i play both Piano and Guitar, i cannot afford additional tension on my wrists (arcade stick) or to screw my 1st finger (joy-stick). Also, its really cool warm up for the fingers to play some tekken :)))))
make a whole speech to say that what he is going to show us is an electric wind god fist and not a perfect electric then proceed to call it a perfect electric. I love you TMM 😭
I’m new to Tekken, but I do pretty well in most fighting games I play. If it will help anyone, I find it easier to do electric with the Lstick on controller rather than the D-pad.
I've never played with a Mishima and I bought heihachi ... doing those electrics is one of the hardest mechanics I've had to do. I was thinking about dropping him
Stick player here, korean lever makes this too easy. Only thing is the learning curve but once you get past that, your movement and overall natural feel will be infinitely better
I don't know if it's my controller or just me, but every time I try a perfect electric with the second notation skipping down, I just get a df2. Imma keep practicing
No one talks about how hard it is to properly use the wind god fist. You punish with WIND god fist when your opponent whiffs from a distance that EWGF will also whiff. Once you can EWGF that's all you press lol. In higher levels of play it is rare but I seen JDCR do it and I just knew I would not have made that judgement call. I would have hoped my EWGF connected and it probably would not have.
@zesork5627 the speed and distance you can cover with with deep dash wind god fist surpasses what you get with a dash electric and with far less execution. The only point I am trying to make is that both have utility and we as mishima players ofteb overlook being able to utilize the WGF. I see whiff, I electric, in turn whiffing hahaha
@@DreadyDiggs Idk man, when i see a whiff my muscle memory makes me DDEWGF so i dont really whiff it. I want to always get the just frame for the extra damage and in case im late im not left at -10. I dont see much of a difference in ranges like you say if one dashes in properly. A tournament setting is different so you wanna do the most easy reliable thing so you dont drop it like Kaz EWGF 314 df1df2, subpar but consistent. Anyway a wgf will come out anyway since ill drop the input every now and then so theres that.
TMM can u explain how to do wave dash? Or wave stepping like how u do? I am a new player on the TEKKEN franchise and i would love to master the game and i find ur tutorials and tips r the best and super simple and beginner friendly. Would much appreciate that if u do have time and thx in advance!🙏
11:12 I don't understand why that is a perfect one. Isn't there 3 neutral frames? I thought for a perfect it would need to be only one? Thanks for the video though
Just picked him up and the literal first thing I did was see devil Jin’s special dialogue. Did not expect the heat smash dialogues but cmon no win or game start dialogue?
Since now every Mishima has 13f P. Electric, why not in the next update every Mishima 1,1,2 wallsplats? I seriusly consider this as on of the biggest drawback's of D. Jin and Kazuya.
My electrics are always inconsistent I can get two in a row most times. I used to practice it everytime before I get into a match but i stopped which fucked up my timing
I’m trying to pick up Devil Jin and am still generally new to Tekken as T8 is my first tekken. I wanna at least get the fundamental movement down a bit. Does the perfect electric input essentially mean getting a perfect wave dash input? And a bit unrelated, but how exactly do you crouch dash? Is that the same as wave dashing?
Can you please make a video discussing the awful decision to make the Genmaji Temple map not included for season pass owners? Its quite literally unacceptable that we have to pay 5 more dollars for it
Any tips on doing electrics a pad? With the dual sense controller, pressing down on the pad too hard can also input "down forward". The double inputs make even regular electrics almost impossible. It's annoying to say the least.
@@midaignesvittu glad I’m not the only one. What’s the best option controller wise for stuff like this? I play Jack and Bryan so I understand the concept perfect frame inputs pretty well but electrics are something else on pad. I need something that will help be more consistent.
Press forward, then with the same motion hitting down, slide your thumb towards forward + 2. It should "feel" like Forward, "Down" + 2, with "Down" meaning sliding towards Forward. I've also heard from pad players its easier if you map 2 on the left bumper trigger. Something about having all inputs done and the same hand makes it easier.
Just tested this on a pad and was getting Short-cut electrics consistantly (F, *, DF+2), if you are willing to shift your right hand to the left side of the pad for Electrics. Assign 2 + 3 marco on Left bumper trigger, then press forward, then with your right hand use the analog stick to press DF and reach with right index to the left bumper for the DF +2. Pretty easy, but does require you to move your hand a bit.
at 9:03 when you say you did a perfect electric, how is that a perfect electric? doesn't the first forward input also have to be 1 frame? that looks to be a 16 frame electric no hate, i know it's hard, but i did not see a single 13 frame electric (PEWGF) in this video
I know this comment is gonna be lost, but I wanted to share that I learned how to do normal electrics consistently. It’s so fun hitting and landing them!
Kazuya’s electric: 👿
Jin’s electric: 😩
Heihachi’s electric: 👺
Jins new battle cry for his electric life sounds more powerful and aggressive than "Dah 🥺✨"
What abt reina
@@FreeMovies01 reina = cringe
Reina EWGF: ┌( ◕ 益 ◕ )ᓄ@@FreeMovies01
Reina = AYAYA
Brother I can't even pay my electric bill. I needed this
🤣
He finally turned command history on! Big days for the oldest tekken streamer out there.
He has to unless there's no way to know it was a perfect electric
Cannot believe hes turning 58 next week 😢
He's done it before without turning it on 😂 @@justhit6673
@@5uitcase He looks good for his 60's
Usually his inputs are top secret. Be humbled that he is letting us into the mystery of PEWGF!
0:14 That Jin impression is spot on 😂
Hahaahahaha
They should make a special effect when landing a perfect electric especially now that more mishimas have one
Yeah a unique color would be so cool to see kind of how they did it with heihachis blue spark and gold sparks
@@Sin-pt2eq could just be even more spark, like a Jetstream shooting off their elbow
Black flash from jjk would be sickkkk, I always compare perfect inputs with hitting a black flash. I mean they have golden sparks and perfect omen having a different animation a perfect black electric would make sense and would look cool asf
@@balladin9200i like the idea if a black electric but that seems more like a Jin perfect input thing than any of the other mishimas. We know reina gets purple and hold like how heihachi gets blue, gold, and orange, with Kazuya being purified by the end of the story of T8, maybe he could get a green electric (since Jun has her nature thing going on)
I remember when I was 13 I wanted to do electrics so bad in tekken 6 that i practice almost everyday for hours. It got to the point I rubbed the skin off my thumb. But I got it eventually
a few years ago i literally broke 15 keycaps practicing electrics all day, lol
I was the same, but with OTGF too. TTT2 was the training arc fr
When I first picked up Reina I thought I'd got early onset arthritis 😂
That's why I switched to stick it's way easier. I can still do ewgf on pad but it's harder plus wavu is harder imo it's all preference tho pad Mishimas blow my mind 😅
This is your best electric guide yet, really cleared up some confusion for me
Still one more thing he's missing which is quite important, and actual examples like PEWGF and punishing -13 or -14 would have helped.
im still impressed by the fact that you can do a perfect electric by NOT doing the neutral part of the wind god step, which is counter intuitive to how the move appears in the command list.
You're a pillar of Tekken info. Respect, my friend.
Dude i did not know u can just do forward, down, down forward 2 for a pewgf. This helped so much.
Kids: Mr Heiachi did you die?
Heihachi: sadly yes, but I lived
Look at the shadow of 6:42. Now you can't unsee it anymore haha
C O C K?!?!?!
Mega peener
to me it looks like an arrow pointing up or a shadowy strawhat samurai waiting to strike😂😂😂I just put 2 red eyes on the front of th- ...oh wait now I see it...wtf😂
Appreciate this thorough explanation man, i was wondering about that line in the patchnote and you answered everything
11:10 for anyone new, just know this is only the perfect electric notation, but not a perfect electric. The neutral input would have to be 1 frame long, and the same goes for the down input on the other perfect electric notation
Howcome the duration of the forward input doesn't matter for example if the number next to my forward is 4 doesn't that mean I held forward for 4 frames?
Damn, i was really starting to think I've been doing perfect electrics the whole time.
@@shitshow575The forward input also matters. Neutral and forward should both be 1 frame or Neutral and down should be 1 frame depending on your input.
@@shitshow575 it only matters if you are doing it in neutral. If you are trying to punish something -13 all that matters is that you release the forward input on the first frame after blocking and complete the rest of the perfect electric input
@@sandbar_dd ah right thanks for clearing that up
As a hwo player, this gives me a nice jump on point to try some of these mishimas, great vid!
I’ve always thought it would be sick if perfect electrics had blue sparks to make it visual as well
Perfect Electric = 13 frame electric.
Not necessarily in Tekken 7 and below Devil Jin, Heihachi and Jin had 14f perfect electrics
@@phlixcarbonwhat? Default electric is 14f, but and DVJ/Heihachi has perfect version with skipping n input
@@РоманСмородов-л2в It's literally a perfect input for those characters. That's their fastest electric f,d,df2 it's the same difficulty. I use it sometimes as -14 back int T7 and the same for Kazuya -13
@@РоманСмородов-л2в Regular electric is f,n,d,d/f+2
I think ppl are confused at this because what you actually mean is that in t7 dvj and heihachi didn’t have perfect electrics but their perfectly executed regular electric was 14f
Incoming special style free electric 😈
Best explanation so far I now understand what it means to be perfect it’s truly getting it done in 13 frames damn! I always thought just getting the animation was enough but I now understand the power it is to have a move that u can pull off in 13 frames. Really like the analogy that u used - even if I read my opponent, if they can get it off in 13 and I’m getting my read off in say 18 or 20 frames… IM COOKED!
Good looking out SWE, needed this one my boy. Never really been a Mishima guy (played some Reina n enjoyed it though) but Im loving getting acquainted with his tool kit and the more defensive playstyle
People who want to practice PEWGF there are few set ups in practise you can do. As Reina for example go to Practice, at practice setting enable counter hit for yourself and put opponent for sanding, and after 1 hit standing block. use Heaven's Wrath 1 (d+1+2, 1) and then do electric as fast as you can. There is 13 frame time to hit the electric. if u fail PEWGF you hit to block, if u succeed Electric will connect. As Kazuya get df+2 counter hit and input electric, when opponent flies high to the sky, you have succeeded with PEWGF. Hope this helps for those who didn't know.
its probably easier to just set opponent to make a move that is -13 on block and then set him to block afterwards
@@xan187 That works too.
I was able to hit my first ever perfect electric thanks to this video. Now my next goal is to hit one in a real match
Heihachi is so amazing ❤ Hard did him justice.
Combos the true ones, the hardest ones look so majestic and powerful.
There is no other character like old Mishima!
TMM, it’s good that you finally have your command history on so people can see what you are doing. perhaps check your frames, some of those electrics weren’t perfect electrics. at any rate, i enjoyed your impression of your jin 0:14 very cute lol
This is great advice for me since i just started playing mishimas thnx main man
Sometimes we forget wind god fist also has uses such as whiff punishing 1nd high crushing, since electrics are supposed to be fast, oftentimes they won't dodge much, but if you wait in wind god step and then press 2 for wind godd fist you can have cool punishment while only losing 3 damage
A few mistakes were made here by TMM while presenting both versions of the perfect electric that will further spread misinformation and misconceptions across the community. The command history in this game not only tells you what you are inputting but also tells you for how many frames you have held down the direction or button which is the number next to it. (The minimum being 1 frame per input)
1. @9:00 That is NOT a perfect a electric. Even though the down input is 1 frame and the neutral is skipped, the forward input is 4 frames which means the electric was 5 + 11 = 16 frames instead of a perfect 13 frame. (Also pointed out by urahairywizard1 in chat @9:24)
2. @11:09 That is also NOT a perfect electric either because as you can see the forward is inputted for 3 frames and then theres 3 frames of neutral. So thats a 6 + 11 = 17 frame electric
So if you are practicing perfect electrics with command history on, you not only have to look at what the input is saying but also the number next to it.
Your command history should show 1 next to the forward, 1 next to the neutral or down, and then down forward and right punch. (The number here doesn't matter because the move animation starts as soon as you reach this point)
Excellent comment.
1. It's 13f in hit or block stun if you release the forward on the first active frame so the forward can be pressed for longer than 1f.
In neutral it's absolutely what you said.
@@UltimateBallaPOM I glossed over at the first instance too thinking the same as you given that he was talking about punishing -13 moves in this video. But the second instance made me realize its definitely an oversight on his part.
And I only made this comment for anyone who is thinking of spending hours and hours in the lab grinding out perfect electrics.
Cuz if they can't recognize whether they have failed or succeeded at the input; or even worse, get a false sense of positive feedback because their command history looked "the same as mainman" then that would be a lot of time wasted for that person and/or develop bad muscle memory.
You can buffer forward during punishment
@@GiovanniBallerinii What you said is true in some cases but not in this particular case
@@aqueelkadri8371
Oh, definitely.
I was adding on to what you were saying.
Stick and pad users are going to find it extremely hard to press forward for 1f so I added that, outside of neutral, it doesn't have to be 1f of forward(punishing -13 or PEWGF after df2).
9:05 how do you even go directly into down without going into neutral 1st?
I play on pad and honestly find it easier to do perfect electric over regular, it took a while for me to learn devil Jin because not skipping the down input was tricky for me to retrain. Great video and thanks for including command history!
Well you can now skip the down with DJ too!
@@CHESSYJESSE-o4vI was so excited when I saw this! All that time of playing kazuya payed off haha what a cool change
@@brendanmcnally2643
Don't abandon your 14f electric training.
The perfect electric method doesn't work out of dashes, and dash electrics improves your offensive and defensive gameplay.
@@UltimateBallaPOM true will do! Devil Jin helped me learn them more properly so I’ll have to try some more out of a dash, thank you!
30 years and I still cant do them consistently. Any day now I'm sure
If you play on pad one thing my friend told me to help me get them consistent is press f , 2 then df right after 2 (yes you are suppose to press it at the same time but you have 2 frames to press simultaneously)
Took me 10 days of hours to hit them consistently i think u needa pick another character my bro
Don't feel too bad man. Control is harder than most of these people using keyboard and hit boxes etc. It took me a month or 2 to get half decent with reina but I switched characters and then picked up Heihachi... I'm now like a arthritic toddler with my timing 😂
Something that helped me is I started sliding my thumb from d to f to get the input and I try to input 2 as soon as I hit down
30 years what the hell! You didn’t practice at all. Practice makes everything thats impossible, possible!
I’m a Jin main but that impression at 0:14 was hilarious
I think the notation with the Neutral frame has more synergy with the old Omen Thunder God Fist so old Heihachi players would feel more at home with this version
@TheMainManSwe thank you so much, after watching this video and receiving feedback from a friend; I finally found out that I can hold the electric input at the end of each ewgf its made doing them a lot easier with my k lever.
your ewgf was at 20- 23 frames.
mine were normally at 5 -7 frames and didn't understand why, now I do.
Great Video! Thanks for the easy to follow instructions👌🏼
When she whispers 0:14 in your ear. *goosebumps*
This has been the best explanation of this subject ever….
Too bad I can’t even to a normal electric
Read the comment section.
It's a little bit misleading but at least command history is on.
Brother you made me understand and I will always remember
Thanks for that MainMan I’ll be struggling on my DualSense Pad😢
Thanks main man for the video. Appreciate it .
@11:14 isnt a perfect electric cuz more than 1f of neutral but one of the ways to get pewgf. hope newbies don't get confused with that. W vid
you are saying you can't buffer a perfect electric but i find myself hitting it more when i buffer the 2 input right after i press forward to neutral. The frame data and animations are the exact same as the one you are showing as a "perfect," electric. Interesting. Also i still use the down input as well to hit it so maybe that's why. I just tried your way as well without using the down input and it does seem the fastest way to hit it but harder to time for sure.
I discovered that playing Tekken on Keyboard is better then anything else i have tryed. Even the electrics are easier.....
I just broke one keyboard till i master my first Heihachi electric, but thats a different story :P
It's even easier on mixbox but then again those are costly as hell.
I loved switching to the keyboard but it makes easier movements pretty difficult sometimes, really gives the finger pain learning some characters.
@@shawn60068 Yes, like Jin :)
But on the other hand - its only the fingers that have tension. Since i play both Piano and Guitar, i cannot afford additional tension on my wrists (arcade stick) or to screw my 1st finger (joy-stick).
Also, its really cool warm up for the fingers to play some tekken :)))))
@@TakeshiMitsuhide Thats the only one i havent tryed, btw....
11:15 I think this way is the only way you can do it on Hitbox. I found it almost impossible to skip the neutral.
make a whole speech to say that what he is going to show us is an electric wind god fist and not a perfect electric then proceed to call it a perfect electric. I love you TMM 😭
RIP "OH YEAH!!!" 😢😢😢
😅😅
I’m new to Tekken, but I do pretty well in most fighting games I play. If it will help anyone, I find it easier to do electric with the Lstick on controller rather than the D-pad.
ok fk i think imma break my fight stick before i land a pewgf
I've never played with a Mishima and I bought heihachi ... doing those electrics is one of the hardest mechanics I've had to do. I was thinking about dropping him
nice content
wait for more content for heihachi beginners!
For those of you on DS5 just watch your thumb hitting the analog stick and also the dpad can be a bit sensitive
This is why learning to use a Hitbox controller is super helpful for Mishima players
The most optimal way.
Good luck on P2 side though🔥😂
Stick player here, korean lever makes this too easy. Only thing is the learning curve but once you get past that, your movement and overall natural feel will be infinitely better
I don't know if it's my controller or just me, but every time I try a perfect electric with the second notation skipping down, I just get a df2. Imma keep practicing
Thats probably why he said that input is weirder.
What the fuck I am learning new things about this game
That’s how life works
The first notation of f~df2 the neutral has to be 1 frame cos my goat didn’t explain that in the video
No one talks about how hard it is to properly use the wind god fist. You punish with WIND god fist when your opponent whiffs from a distance that EWGF will also whiff.
Once you can EWGF that's all you press lol.
In higher levels of play it is rare but I seen JDCR do it and I just knew I would not have made that judgement call. I would have hoped my EWGF connected and it probably would not have.
You punish with dash electric
@zesork5627 the speed and distance you can cover with with deep dash wind god fist surpasses what you get with a dash electric and with far less execution.
The only point I am trying to make is that both have utility and we as mishima players ofteb overlook being able to utilize the WGF.
I see whiff, I electric, in turn whiffing hahaha
@@DreadyDiggs Idk man, when i see a whiff my muscle memory makes me DDEWGF so i dont really whiff it. I want to always get the just frame for the extra damage and in case im late im not left at -10. I dont see much of a difference in ranges like you say if one dashes in properly. A tournament setting is different so you wanna do the most easy reliable thing so you dont drop it like Kaz EWGF 314 df1df2, subpar but consistent.
Anyway a wgf will come out anyway since ill drop the input every now and then so theres that.
TMM can u explain how to do wave dash? Or wave stepping like how u do?
I am a new player on the TEKKEN franchise and i would love to master the game and i find ur tutorials and tips r the best and super simple and beginner friendly.
Would much appreciate that if u do have time and thx in advance!🙏
11:12 I don't understand why that is a perfect one. Isn't there 3 neutral frames? I thought for a perfect it would need to be only one? Thanks for the video though
Alright, after hearing your PEWGF explanation I can see why that would be as hard as TJU. It's basically 3 frame perfect inputs in a row.
Okay yeah I've done a complete 180, in the situations where you want to use this, PEWGF is absolutely harder than TJU probably
also easier to consistently hit a jet upper than a normal ewgf
@@chicx423???????
Lol no@@chicx423
😂😂😂idk but 6:19 made me say "absolutely nuuuthing"
So how much better is it playing fighting games like this on a pad vs a regular controller ?
I’m practicing this hard ass move now lol.
tbh, skipping down was the best step for me to do the 13 frame electric.
o shit i didn't know the second input, I'm cooking now, that one's so much easier
Just picked him up and the literal first thing I did was see devil Jin’s special dialogue. Did not expect the heat smash dialogues but cmon no win or game start dialogue?
...I've been watching TMM since 2012 and this entire time, I thought he was doing PEWGF using the f,n,d/f+2 input
For the anime fans out there, hitting electrics feels like dropping "Black Flash" in JJK, during a match that is just a jolt of dopamine
I practice this input with HWO’s sky rocket blue spark.
Why can’t we just have a blue spark for pewgf
Thankyou brother
Since now every Mishima has 13f P. Electric, why not in the next update every Mishima 1,1,2 wallsplats?
I seriusly consider this as on of the biggest drawback's of D. Jin and Kazuya.
Why pewgf can launch -13 if frame counter at the input log says that f,d unputs took summary more that 2 frames? Like 5-6, or more.
Because what is important is WHEN you release forward.
The down/neutral and df+2 have to be frame perfect though.
Great question, my friend.
So basically, be faster than light, and get a perfect electric😂
The one move I get so infuriated trying to get consistent with as a new Mishima player, still got a long ways to go lol😖
so the notation should be 1 1 1?
how do i imput f,d,df from hitbox withcout neutral? i mean if i press d after f without neutral i just get f,df not f,d,df...
This guy has this stuff down to a SCIENCE lol
This video soo good ❤
the move is hard so they allow you to skip inputs to execute. even in two types of skips. but I still can't do it.
My electrics are always inconsistent I can get two in a row most times. I used to practice it everytime before I get into a match but i stopped which fucked up my timing
I’m trying to pick up Devil Jin and am still generally new to Tekken as T8 is my first tekken. I wanna at least get the fundamental movement down a bit. Does the perfect electric input essentially mean getting a perfect wave dash input?
And a bit unrelated, but how exactly do you crouch dash? Is that the same as wave dashing?
For some reason for normal electrics I find f,n,df2 to be easier than f,n,d,df2. I am on leverless.
always find it funny how I find PEWGF is 10 times easier than normal EWGF...
Can devil jin also skip the neutral and do F, D, D/F+2 or does he have to do F, N, D/F+2 for pewgf?
Can you please make a video discussing the awful decision to make the Genmaji Temple map not included for season pass owners? Its quite literally unacceptable that we have to pay 5 more dollars for it
How do you go from forward to down without passing through neutral?
Practice and try various hand techniques that work for you, then practice a crap load again.
Let's do this 💪
I personally like electric into electric
I thought you switched to the player 2 side for the second notation. Nothing changed. I skip neutral for my input. Skipping down feels so awkward
Any tips on doing electrics a pad? With the dual sense controller, pressing down on the pad too hard can also input "down forward". The double inputs make even regular electrics almost impossible. It's annoying to say the least.
its very inconsistent on a pad!
@@midaignesvittu glad I’m not the only one.
What’s the best option controller wise for stuff like this?
I play Jack and Bryan so I understand the concept perfect frame inputs pretty well but electrics are something else on pad. I need something that will help be more consistent.
Press forward, then with the same motion hitting down, slide your thumb towards forward + 2. It should "feel" like Forward, "Down" + 2, with "Down" meaning sliding towards Forward.
I've also heard from pad players its easier if you map 2 on the left bumper trigger. Something about having all inputs done and the same hand makes it easier.
Just tested this on a pad and was getting Short-cut electrics consistantly (F, *, DF+2), if you are willing to shift your right hand to the left side of the pad for Electrics. Assign 2 + 3 marco on Left bumper trigger, then press forward, then with your right hand use the analog stick to press DF and reach with right index to the left bumper for the DF +2. Pretty easy, but does require you to move your hand a bit.
Bro how tf is that even possible. That feels insanely difficult
Is perfect electric realistic for pad?
Think ill stick to the butterfly loop. Took my stupid fingers months to get just one of these rotations down on controller
Well done.
Those aren't easy!
at 9:03 when you say you did a perfect electric, how is that a perfect electric? doesn't the first forward input also have to be 1 frame? that looks to be a 16 frame electric
no hate, i know it's hard, but i did not see a single 13 frame electric (PEWGF) in this video
Does OTGF also have two perfect notaions, or is it just f n df2?
given that you can guarantee a qcf2 from f1+2 with heihachi, is it possible to get a pewgf from this (much like kazuya's df2 into pewgf)?
What controller is he using? A pad or a hitbox? Or stick?
I know this comment is gonna be lost, but I wanted to share that I learned how to do normal electrics consistently. It’s so fun hitting and landing them!
➡️⭐⬇️↘️🤜⚡DEH!
How do people do those dash electrics, I have yet to intentionally hit one of those.
It's not hard if you can already do Electrics. Just press forward once, then do a Electric.
You have to do the F * D,df method to get dash electrics. You can't dash into F * df2 electrics.
Im sorry, but there is a giant hard glizzy these mishimas are fighting by. Glance that shadow 6:53