before you reach danger levels it will be so unstable that it will just crash whatever workload you're running. I suppose if you intentionally tried to kill the sticks by running ~5600 @ 2.0v which would probably still be somewhat stable, 70c would be enough.
If running very stable timings and speed, temps are not an issue. The closer to unstable you are the sooner the higher temps will cause an issue, I'm usually so close to the limit I can't run trefi at 65k/max without crashes once the ram heats up above 45c.
Adding to what the others have said here. I've got some DDR4 B-Die sticks that are happy to run 3733 @ CL14 at ~1.5v daily, but only if I have a fan blowing on them. Without the fan, there is random intermittent instability once the temps get into the 50-60C range. With the fan though (92mm at 800RPM or so), 45C is the highest they get and run happily. Wish I could have pushed that kit further but the CPU just couldn't go beyond 1866MHz FCLK no matter the voltage or cooling and had to keep it in 1:1 mode.
@vipercrazy-9 Almost the same for me, I can run max trefi and it passes memtest86 just fine and temps are just barely below 45c with a fan, however when I combine it with trying to use negative pbo it just gives errors around the 7 to 8 minute mark and only dialing it back down to 50k does it appear to be stable but gives errors around 40 minutes or so, and on different cores too.
I'm just using BCLK=102.0625 MHz as a daily overclocking on my X670E tomahawk. Up to about 102.5 MHz, I have no problems, except for the rare M.2 PCIe 5.0 dump, and the frequency above does not always allow me to initialize the GPU. From about 103 MHz, it is no longer possible to pass POST without downgrading PCIe to 3.0 gen
Do you think this would be achievable with a kit of 2x 24GB sticks? (48 GB Corsair Platinum Dominator 6000 CL30 kit) on the same MSI X870 Tomahawk board?
Yo buildzoid, what BIOS version were you using? I have this exact same board but I found out that A13 has substantially less latency than A16 (from 71ns flat in AIDA64 to ~58ns at 6200CL28) with my Ryzen 7 9700X. However, my RAM OCs seem to be more unstable. What would you suggest in this case? Maybe wait for another BIOS version and fall back to a more stable profile?
I got teamgroup ddr5 48gb 7200mhz cl34 CTCED548G7200HC34ADC01 And I overclocked to 8000mhz cl36 48 48 48 84 at 1.4v My set up ryzen 7900x Asus x870e hero I tried it on the asus x670e hero but was not stable no matter what but going to try higher
I can't find this ram kit anywhere and the only kit that comes out is a ram kit for the intel ram, is this the same ram? Edit: Also what ram kit would you recommend for the 9800x3d, and what uclk etc, since I remmeber watching your video on that and you said to change it to like 6100 or something. Sorry for the question, I am not looking to massively overclock just to get the best out of my ram for whaT I pay. The ram I was looking at was a cl 28 trident royal at 6000mhz, 2x16gb kit that came out in the summer. Would that kit be optimal for the 9800x3d?
I have the tcreate classic A die, it runs great timings 6400 30-38-38-33 trfc 390 at 1.4v. Sub timings are very good except my scl's are both stuck at 6, I don't see this with viewers submissions, is this a big enough hit to performance where I should drop ram speed for better scl's?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking crazy nemory OC but it would be fun to show us number in your video like 3 gaming bench versus a 6000MHZ CL30 kit. Because all your OC it give us not idea of the gain. Maybe selecting 3 easy built in Benchmark but nobody review ram with same oc as you. So we are always in the ??? Of what king performance we gain.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I don't know if it is worth something and if it is 24 hour memtest stable but I got it to 28 at 6600 with a 7800X3D. Memory voltage is 1,45. I can send you a screenshot if you are interested.
@@hakansuren329 ASUS, gigabyte products are really bad especially 6-layer PCB, my x570 aorus master MOBO got "twisted" so that the PC won't start unless its flat on a surface. GIGABYTE = shit company, 6-layer PCB = shit product not worth the money.
Any cudimm samples? Do you think they'll patch in proper support on Ryzen or do you think they'll be just bypassing clock driver? Also, is mclk>7800mbps in 2/1 also imc dependent or is it more of a motherboard issue?
It's funny because MSI's BIOS is finally not horrendously ugly (from the surface), but instead they make it too tryhard and unintuitive anyways. One of many reasons I never buy anything from MSI; they always miss the mark, somehow...
the trefi for me when set to 65535 the latency is lower with tweaking, but i've notice in game it's terrible for fps gaming, at least for me. everything else it's amazing
Try 40000, I had a similar experience, even with a 140mm fan cooling the dimms. IIRC the reason is that when gaming the GPU is also heating the dimms, compared to when just running a stress test.
We consumers are very stupid, a lot of years producers give us possibility to overclock CPU, GPU now to make more money they give us memory 😂 for overclock , loosing a lot of time for max 2-5 % performance increase over good 6000 kit😅
I work, but I also play on my computer! That's why the optimal /not the extreme overdriven/ system is important to me, but I need 64GB of ram! What kind of RAM can you recommend, with which I can use the memory at 6300mhz, with /Fclk= 2100hmz, Memclk=3150mhz, Uclk=3150mhz/ setting with CL30 or maybe CL 28, so that it is not overheated with voltage in the memory modules /1.35V max 1.4V!!/? Do you know of a type where this is possible in 2*32GB version? Very-very big thanks! /I want to buy just such a motherboard /X870 Tomahawk/ and a Ryzen 9900x processor! Don't need for mee the 9950x! In my country, costs almost twice as much money as the 9900X! It's not worth it!/
F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK is the best kit i have used and its pretty cheap at 210$ F5-6000J3036G32GX2-TZ5NRW is slightly more money and looks like it might have slightly better ic's for lower latency but i have yet to test them out. If you want you could also look at some higher speed kits like the 7600 kit just make sure it has the lowest timings of the bunch. you can see all the kits gskill has on there site. cl must be lower than the rest or it wont be hynix ic's.
@@ramair325 Thanks for the answer! 7600mhz is a good idea, but there is no such thing in 64GB, and I need the 64GB! I chose this VENGEANCE 64GB (2x32GB) 6600MHz Cl32 CMK64GX5M2B6600C32, but the decision is not final yet! with this maybe 1.4V CL 30 and 6300mhz is possible. Unfortunately I don't know if this ram, uses Hynix or Samsung memory chips and how good they are. Of course, CL 28 would be better, but I have no illusions! I don't want to drive the memories chips at 1.5 volts, a maximum of 1.4 to keep it alive for a long time! I don't want to drive the memories in a Quad layout, because all parameters deteriorate, and the memory controller also has a harder time managing 4 modules than two. Do you have a suggestion for a 64GB set?
@@Zoltan74 the samsung ic's all use flat timings, ie 6000 40 40 40 would be samsung. 6000 30 40 40 would be lower quality hynix. 6000 30 36 36 would be top binned hynix ic's.
@@Zoltan74 i would never use corsair memory. it has always been extremely optimistic for its values and often is way over priced for the quality of ic's you get. The reason you dont see 64GB kits up in the 8000mt range is because cpu's wont run that much memory that fast. so they wont validate and sell memory that no one is going to be able to run. the returns would be to much. Also most memory has lifetime warranty so feel free to slap 2.0v into them and let em cook! ps i run 6400mt kit at 1.85v daily for going on 2 years no issues. stability is no good above 65c on my dimms. but i tend to keep them under 50c you could try something like this F5-6800J3445G32GX2-RS5K. it has what might be the best cooler from gskill as it has no plastic rgb on the top keeping heat in it! also its affordable and has good speed and latency with a low 1.35v! its also worth noting that even a 6000mt kit that runs 30 36 36 at 1.4v might also run 8000mt at ofc looser timings. F5-6000J3036G32GX2-TZ5NRW This kit of kingston fury might also be worth looking at KF560C30BBEK2-64
I'm enjoying my 9950x a lot. It still hasn't crashed in 3 months of continual use. I haven't had an Intel platform that stable since my 8700k
Cl26 is pretty crazy
I wouldn't daily drive this
Buildzoid is so far away from us that he is already in the year 2045😅
Tf does that mean?
@@nerdynumensee the year in the windows date on the video 😂
HE is terminator
@@bbkk7430 hehehehe
Nice, I actually really wanted to see what this board was like, any chance you'll be trying for 8000 on it?
Speaking of RAM temperatures, what is considered high or dangerous?
70C?
50C?
before you reach danger levels it will be so unstable that it will just crash whatever workload you're running. I suppose if you intentionally tried to kill the sticks by running ~5600 @ 2.0v which would probably still be somewhat stable, 70c would be enough.
If running very stable timings and speed, temps are not an issue. The closer to unstable you are the sooner the higher temps will cause an issue, I'm usually so close to the limit I can't run trefi at 65k/max without crashes once the ram heats up above 45c.
Adding to what the others have said here. I've got some DDR4 B-Die sticks that are happy to run 3733 @ CL14 at ~1.5v daily, but only if I have a fan blowing on them. Without the fan, there is random intermittent instability once the temps get into the 50-60C range. With the fan though (92mm at 800RPM or so), 45C is the highest they get and run happily. Wish I could have pushed that kit further but the CPU just couldn't go beyond 1866MHz FCLK no matter the voltage or cooling and had to keep it in 1:1 mode.
3733 cl14 is crazy. 😅 @@subsgob00m
@vipercrazy-9 Almost the same for me, I can run max trefi and it passes memtest86 just fine and temps are just barely below 45c with a fan, however when I combine it with trying to use negative pbo it just gives errors around the 7 to 8 minute mark and only dialing it back down to 50k does it appear to be stable but gives errors around 40 minutes or so, and on different cores too.
very nice video. well done not even over an hour!
I'm just using BCLK=102.0625 MHz as a daily overclocking on my X670E tomahawk. Up to about 102.5 MHz, I have no problems, except for the rare M.2 PCIe 5.0 dump, and the frequency above does not always allow me to initialize the GPU. From about 103 MHz, it is no longer possible to pass POST without downgrading PCIe to 3.0 gen
Do you think this would be achievable with a kit of 2x 24GB sticks? (48 GB Corsair Platinum Dominator 6000 CL30 kit) on the same MSI X870 Tomahawk board?
2x24GB kits are slightly worse in terms of primary timings, especially tRP, but they can get higher frequencies.
Is this possible on the X870E Nova? Thinking about getting that one but if this overclocks better might as well go with the Tomahawk, cheaper as well.
Yo buildzoid, what BIOS version were you using? I have this exact same board but I found out that A13 has substantially less latency than A16 (from 71ns flat in AIDA64 to ~58ns at 6200CL28) with my Ryzen 7 9700X. However, my RAM OCs seem to be more unstable. What would you suggest in this case? Maybe wait for another BIOS version and fall back to a more stable profile?
What mem kit do you have? Thanks.
@ Kingbank Hynix A-die 6000mt/s CL28 rated XMP/EXPO kit. Got it from Aliexpress, tall gray heatsink. It’s been a wonder to work with.
Cool setup! I’d be curious if trcd would run at 36.
Would you daily drive 1.66V VDD as long as it has a fan blowing on it?
That pretty impressive; what's the net impact of this on any kind of latency-sensitive benchmark?
Why does ZenTimings show MEM VDD at 0.000V?
because it bugs out when the voltage is set above 1.43V
hi what 6400 timings corsair dominator titanium cl32 6600 64gb kit can get without fan on top of them for safe daily gaming ?
I got teamgroup ddr5 48gb 7200mhz cl34 CTCED548G7200HC34ADC01
And I overclocked to 8000mhz cl36 48 48 48 84 at 1.4v
My set up ryzen 7900x
Asus x870e hero
I tried it on the asus x670e hero but was not stable no matter what but going to try higher
Optimal vddg for msi?
I'm wondering on how does Asrock B650 LiveMixer fair with 9950X .
Mate, why are you still using the 1A13 bios version?
Would test once I get a 9700X or similar AM5 CPU. For now 9950X is too much for me. Seems I also need X870e MB (probably Taichi)
I can't find this ram kit anywhere and the only kit that comes out is a ram kit for the intel ram, is this the same ram?
Edit: Also what ram kit would you recommend for the 9800x3d, and what uclk etc, since I remmeber watching your video on that and you said to change it to like 6100 or something. Sorry for the question, I am not looking to massively overclock just to get the best out of my ram for whaT I pay.
The ram I was looking at was a cl 28 trident royal at 6000mhz, 2x16gb kit that came out in the summer. Would that kit be optimal for the 9800x3d?
I have the tcreate classic A die, it runs great timings 6400 30-38-38-33 trfc 390 at 1.4v. Sub timings are very good except my scl's are both stuck at 6, I don't see this with viewers submissions, is this a big enough hit to performance where I should drop ram speed for better scl's?
Nice.
Hynix A-die kit tier list when?
IDK that the kits a binned consistently enough for that to make sense.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking crazy nemory OC but it would be fun to show us number in your video like 3 gaming bench versus a 6000MHZ CL30 kit. Because all your OC it give us not idea of the gain. Maybe selecting 3 easy built in Benchmark but nobody review ram with same oc as you. So we are always in the ??? Of what king performance we gain.
@@Sectorz Pointless for gaming. Especially at higher resolutions.
TRAS 28 could be possible with your kit.
AFAIK tRAS 28 shouldn't be possible on AMD CPUs.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I don't know if it is worth something and if it is 24 hour memtest stable but I got it to 28 at 6600 with a 7800X3D. Memory voltage is 1,45. I can send you a screenshot if you are interested.
I have a kit teamgroup 6400 cl40 that can do trfc 400 at 6400 and 368 at 600 0 i assume is a die but i can t lower scl more than 5 cuz it won t boot.
My 7800x3d needs 1.29vsoc for 6400. Bad chip or about average?
above average
@@fefsefefesfsefsef2733 Huh, fair enough :D My friend's only needed 1.25v
Same voltage and speed here, 1.27v caused studders. 6600 crashes very quickly, 7600 2:1 I couldn't get 100% stable even with crazy loose timings
i run 7700x 6400@1.18Vsoc
@@debooger 1:1?
ASUS ROG X870-A or GIGABYTE AORUS X870E PRO ICE?
aorus
@@user-ew8lt6yi2i Should 6-layer pcb scare me?
@@hakansuren329 ASUS, gigabyte products are really bad especially 6-layer PCB, my x570 aorus master MOBO got "twisted" so that the PC won't start unless its flat on a surface. GIGABYTE = shit company, 6-layer PCB = shit product not worth the money.
I’d get the B650E/X670E Pro Ice if available
@@PowellCat745 i recommand MSI X870 Tomahawk WiFi
Do you have any 15th gen yet?
why would anyone in the world buy that
@@N0rth0M-1 Curiosity.
0 point
@N0rth0M-1 hahaha you bought 2 intel cpu's recently 🤣
no and I don't really have any plans to change that any time soon.
Any cudimm samples? Do you think they'll patch in proper support on Ryzen or do you think they'll be just bypassing clock driver? Also, is mclk>7800mbps in 2/1 also imc dependent or is it more of a motherboard issue?
I know I couldn't stand using 16GB of RAM as 64GB is standard for me for the last 5 years.
It's funny because MSI's BIOS is finally not horrendously ugly (from the surface), but instead they make it too tryhard and unintuitive anyways. One of many reasons I never buy anything from MSI; they always miss the mark, somehow...
the trefi for me when set to 65535 the latency is lower with tweaking, but i've notice in game it's terrible for fps gaming, at least for me. everything else it's amazing
Then I think it's temps problem
Try 40000, I had a similar experience, even with a 140mm fan cooling the dimms. IIRC the reason is that when gaming the GPU is also heating the dimms, compared to when just running a stress test.
Check max dimm temps on OCCT memory test after an hour you need a fan above 50,000 TREFI in my experience.
@@IIHydraII This
No RAM OC with 8000 series APUs? Not interested in monolithic chips SOC goodness? Not that I'm complaining ❤
We consumers are very stupid, a lot of years producers give us possibility to overclock CPU, GPU now to make more money they give us memory 😂 for overclock , loosing a lot of time for max 2-5 % performance increase over good 6000 kit😅
MSI BIOS now look more like the other MOBO manufacturers. Before MSI BIOS were original.
LOL no... ASUS is the original and everyone copied from them. Tux as your avatar pretty much ensures you are
@@KingMacintosh2where did MSI touch you?
@@KingMacintosh2 You need help as is the case with all Asus and Gigabyte users.
@@AirSKWolf No, where did MSI touch YOU, kid? I used their garbage, and was part of their cult. And I repented.
@@SWOgottaGO People who make intelligent choices do not need help, bucko.
👍👍👍
I work, but I also play on my computer! That's why the optimal /not the extreme overdriven/ system is important to me, but I need 64GB of ram!
What kind of RAM can you recommend, with which I can use the memory at 6300mhz, with /Fclk= 2100hmz, Memclk=3150mhz, Uclk=3150mhz/ setting with CL30 or maybe CL 28, so that it is not overheated with voltage in the memory modules /1.35V max 1.4V!!/? Do you know of a type where this is possible in 2*32GB version? Very-very big thanks! /I want to buy just such a motherboard /X870 Tomahawk/ and a Ryzen 9900x processor! Don't need for mee the 9950x! In my country, costs almost twice as much money as the 9900X! It's not worth it!/
F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK is the best kit i have used and its pretty cheap at 210$
F5-6000J3036G32GX2-TZ5NRW is slightly more money and looks like it might have slightly better ic's for lower latency but i have yet to test them out.
If you want you could also look at some higher speed kits like the 7600 kit just make sure it has the lowest timings of the bunch. you can see all the kits gskill has on there site. cl must be lower than the rest or it wont be hynix ic's.
@@ramair325 Thanks for the answer! 7600mhz is a good idea, but there is no such thing in 64GB, and I need the 64GB! I chose this VENGEANCE 64GB (2x32GB) 6600MHz Cl32 CMK64GX5M2B6600C32, but the decision is not final yet! with this maybe 1.4V CL 30 and 6300mhz is possible. Unfortunately I don't know if this ram, uses Hynix or Samsung memory chips and how good they are. Of course, CL 28 would be better, but I have no illusions! I don't want to drive the memories chips at 1.5 volts, a maximum of 1.4 to keep it alive for a long time! I don't want to drive the memories in a Quad layout, because all parameters deteriorate, and the memory controller also has a harder time managing 4 modules than two. Do you have a suggestion for a 64GB set?
@@Zoltan74 the samsung ic's all use flat timings, ie 6000 40 40 40 would be samsung. 6000 30 40 40 would be lower quality hynix. 6000 30 36 36 would be top binned hynix ic's.
@@Zoltan74 i would never use corsair memory. it has always been extremely optimistic for its values and often is way over priced for the quality of ic's you get.
The reason you dont see 64GB kits up in the 8000mt range is because cpu's wont run that much memory that fast. so they wont validate and sell memory that no one is going to be able to run. the returns would be to much. Also most memory has lifetime warranty so feel free to slap 2.0v into them and let em cook! ps i run 6400mt kit at 1.85v daily for going on 2 years no issues. stability is no good above 65c on my dimms. but i tend to keep them under 50c
you could try something like this F5-6800J3445G32GX2-RS5K. it has what might be the best cooler from gskill as it has no plastic rgb on the top keeping heat in it! also its affordable and has good speed and latency with a low 1.35v! its also worth noting that even a 6000mt kit that runs 30 36 36 at 1.4v might also run 8000mt at ofc looser timings. F5-6000J3036G32GX2-TZ5NRW
This kit of kingston fury might also be worth looking at KF560C30BBEK2-64
yea vddg is suppose make the ram overclock stable but it wouldn't boot for me when i oc'd my ram to 6800 on 9950x. i did a voltage of 1050 vddg
1050mv is the default for the 9000 series on ASUS boards
is it CUDIMM ?
No.
TSME disabled got it