The PCIe 8-pin connector at the bottom of the board is probably necessary to support the PCIe 5.1 standard - it expands the allowable power spikes of the PCIe slot
Thanks BZ. Been looking for a decently priced AM5 motherboard with a post code for some time and this video made me finally order one. If you need proof of people buying things due to your videos for future samples I can send a reciept. 😉
On M.2 PCI-E lanes and gens, there is that specific Samsung drive (990 EVO) that has specific controller support for doing Gen 4 x4 or Gen 5 x2, just to be an outlier (nothing is untrue about what you said, just that they specifically implemented both), and it'd be cool to see more of that kind of flexibility in the future, but it's hard to justify spending more for that feature specifically when it's so hard to know if you'll ever need it. Could be great for NVME NAS systems in the future, as they often can't allocate 4 lanes a drive, but obviously none of them are gen 5 yet.
MSi doesn't mention 27W USB-C power anywhere. For VR-users USB-C is always a concern as most USB-C ports only supply 15w which makes your headset run out of power after awhile. I ended up getting a B650 AERO-G which has 60w USB-C, because that was the only mobo under 400usd that said anything about USB-C power.
I'd love to see a motherboard company try to hire Buildzoid as sort of a functional consultant - he could basically do the same thing as he's doing here - give a 1 hour presentation to the engineering team on what seems important to focus on, what's already overkill, etc. Create a prototype with those changes and send it to him for analysis and testing - do that 2-3 times, and release a branded Mobo with an AHC logo or some Buildzoid branding or something - maybe aim for 2 SKUs - one high end and one low end with the same core lessons applied. Make it happen MSI!
@@florin604 building overkill VRMs has a cost associated with it - that money could be moved to other parts of the board or just be better spent elsewhere. If they're already aware of the issues, why build such extreme overkill? VRMs capable of 400W to a zen5 cpu seems wasteful?
Overkill VRM is marketing part, which apparently works. These board vendors have amazing engineers which definitely know what is good for PC enthusiasts. But then there is marketing team and product managers, which want to be sure that they can squeeze as much money as possible.
This isn't even an unrealistic idea, headphone companies do collaboration products with audio gear youtubers all the time where they tune the products based on their recommendations. I'd definitely be interested in an AM5 motherboard that came with an official AHOC stamp of approval right on the box.
6:05 - Which is why I really wish we now had decent PCIe 5x1 drives and multiple such slots on boards, as PCIe 3x4 speed is more than adequate for pretty much all bandwidth requirements and still faster than most drives can sustain for typical usage, allowing lots of drives, but only requiring a few lanes, freeing up lanes for add-in cards, USB ports et al, whilst still allowing a PCIe 5x4 slot for a super-fast drive for that occasional person that can actually make use of it. Maybe one day we'll have manufacturers allowing engineers and designers to make boards that make sense rather than being dominated by "bigger number == better" marketing nonsense. EDIT - corrected "we" to "as" ... odd typo but, it happened 🤷♀
*New connector idea* A tiny header (google U.2), which is supplied with pcie5x4, you get a breakout cable for both power and data. You can connect 4 separate M.2 drives at x1_x1_x1_x1 in the same space motherboard space as a right angle SATA3 header. Each drive can do up to 3.9GB sec... which last I checked nobody complained about the speeds of their 970 Evo plus (and 99% of windows operations are
@@tomstech4390 A) MCIO B) I complain about the speed of my 970 Evo+ (and 970 Evo), but that's the controller and flash, not bandwidth issue. C) There's loads of unused space on the back of mobos, which could be really easy to reach with a new standard design, that could incorporate the current hodge-podge rear connector thing that needs standardising. D) There's already a few solutions to the m.2 screw issue.
Interesting that you say this board might do well for memory. Iirc Steve over at HUB found that, at least out of the samples he got, MSI is doing pretty well this go around. I don't know how reliable his testing was, but I like to see it included in mainstream motherboard reviews! Also, as far as overkill components go, I wonder what the cost of a high-end but pragmatic motherboard would look like compared to what they're doing now.
Steve did an hour of AIDA64 and showed the highest speed at which each board passed the hour. It was basic "can the board hit the DDR5 8000 spec AMD is claiming" type testing.
Thanks for the analysis! I purchased this board a few days ago for a 9800X3D build. First MSI board in my almost 20 years of building PCs. Not crazy about the aesthetics, especially the lime green accents, but it had significantly better specs at the 250-300 price point than the competition. Post code and rear IO were the big things for me. Pairing with 64GB of dual-rank A-die so we'll see what memory speeds are achievable.
I admit I like having a postcode display but I wonder how many builders like myself realize we are paying $100+ more at times for a part that can be bought under 20 cents to be included.
You are paying $100+ more for more features than just a Debug Postcode display. Things like bigger heatspreaders, more/better backplate USBconnections, RGB elements, etc.
@@dnashj33 That's your brain on marketing. Companies always have a product that does the bare minimum that are esentially marketed for system integrators and other partners that will not pay for any useless shit. Then there's the mid-tier products that only exists to provide a large feature list of all the the stuff you're missing out on if you're not willing to pay them significant margins. Then there's the high end, monster boards that combine as many paradoxical features as possible to get two consumers on the same expensive board even though their interest do not overlap. I'm not saying every company is exactly like this but if you pay attention you'll start finding paradox-features in consumer products. Unless you're of the belief that everyone who buys monster VRM's are LN overclockers that like RGB ram.
thank you and thanks to you, BZ, this will be my next MB, also cause of the POST Code LEDs (i love these things!!!). i'm planning using 3x M.2 SSDs, all Gen 4, all in RAID 0 (if it'll work, i don't understand how those lane allocations you mentioned work :) )
Post code display is a must for me, it's such a small feature but makes a huge difference in diagnosing issues. It’s frustrating to see mobo manufacturers cheaping out and cutting corners like this.
The ease of NVME SSD DIY feature is now good enough, and it will not improve in the future, so when to move the pcie slot to the backside in order to prevent conflict with nvme ssd installation.
About the extra pcie power, remember that M.2 is pcie so I assume both the pcie slots AND the M.2 slots would (potentially) benefit from the extra connector...
A warning for anyone who is considering buying this motherboard - it does not work as advertised with 9800X3D. They need to release a serious BIOS fix for the RAM to work at above 4800mhz. MSI forums are flooded with complaints.
G'day Buildzoid "Actually you may be able to power 2 9950Xs with just one of these boards" 🤔AMD 3D CPU Stacking PS MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI down here is $636AUD😲
Tomahawk and Carbon are pretty great (for 4Dimm boards) with memory. Even 8400c40. Of course the Godlike, too, but that thing should be a 2Dimm going for 8800/9000MT/s imo. Where is the AM5 version of Unify-X, @MSI?
12:42 isn't that just the gpu power connector? i have a relatively crappy gpu but i still plug it in. don't tell me that i don't need to? coz once i even waited a week or two to get a 90 degree connector for the gpu end so the internals would fit into an old school ibm desktop case. unless this is an additional one, i'm not sure what the prob is.
It's honestly such a shame that MSI makes actually decent AM5 boards, yet that shaky relationship they've got with AMD these days makes me reluctant to trust in how long they'll wholeheartedly support them.
@suhaskamat8548 Well, they don't seem to be all that fond of each other these days. MSI being dead last with releasing their Radeon GPUs for years and now abandoning Radeon altogether, MSI being the only large scale manufacturer to go with MTL for a handheld (with the expected 👎 result), MSI releasing less and less AMx boards each generation... it just starts to look like there's a pattern. Also, there seems to be some behind the scenes talk going on that TechTubers are already picking up on. Of course that's all just grapevine, but still. Where there's smoke, there's fire more often than not.
Could that extra PCIe power connector be used for powering M.2 drives? I wouldn't think they'd have enough draw to need it, but with dual 5.0 drives? Maybe?
I thought that additional power connector on the bottom was to support USB 4 ports with power delivery. Apparently USB4 can supportsl 100w of pd. But perhaps it doesn't work that way on mbs... I don't know, im a dope.
regarding the 2nd GEN5 ssd, am i correct in thinking that drive will still work but just at 5x2 and both the USB4 ports will still function @40gbps and that a 5x2 ssd is still faster than a GEN4x4 ssd? also if i disable the USB ports in bios, then will both USB4 ports be completely disabled/non-functional.... not just nerfed into a 10GBPS speed? i am looking for ANY motherboard that can provide a GEN5 GPU with all 16 lanes and 2 GEN5 ssd's at full 4 lanes each (no lane sharing) preferably with usable USB4c ports. -thank you for any clarification-
MSI did a lazy job designing the PCIe layout for this board. Using the CPU Lanes for the USB4 controller is a total waste. the ASmedia chip only requires 4 PCIe lanes at Gen4 speeds, which they could have just gotten off the X870 chipset. AS for the Additional power connector at the bottom of the board, that's there to handle the Power Delivery requirements of the USB4 ports as well as the front USB-C port. You also have to remember, USB4 supports Thunderbolt, which uses quite a bit of power, you will usually find Thunderbolt add-in cards needing an additional 6 pin PCIe power connector, so not surprised this is on the board. especially with the ATX power connector not being the solid pin type
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah like i said, waste. ASUS on the X670E ProArt Creator uses PCH lanes for the onboard Intel USB4/TB controller. This is the reason why i waited till X870E was announced and could see the PCIe layout, I went with the ASUS board as i am not losing any features going X670E vs X870E with the ProArt and in fact gaining additional PCIe lanes for M.2 drives off the CPU. BTW. Love your board reviews. they help me choose my hardware
You need to blame AMD for the PCIe layout, dedicated lanes for the USB4 became standard with X870 / X870E boards, that’s not an MSI decision. It’s one of the few actual changes to the published spec that differentiates the 800 boards from 600 series.
@@Slyons89 Actually you will find that AMD's spec of Mandatory USB4 connection for certain 800 Series chipsets DOES NOT state HOW the controller needs to be connected to the system, only that it is required to be there. MSI and quite a few others have taken the easy approach of using PCIe lanes from the CPU as its more convenient for them rather than routing them from the PCH. the PCH has more than enough lanes to support the ASMedia USB4 controller, you'd simply lose one of he M.2 slots attached to said PCH which makes more sense as the Lanes coming off the CPU are Gen5 lanes, where as the USB4 controller only needs 4 Gen4 lanes, which is what the PCH offers natively
: Does anyone know if there are some nice AM5 two DIMM slot boards incomming? With the recent news on the new 9000X3D chips these cpus might just get me interessted again, since they're supposed to be unlocked for traditional overclocking due to putting the 3D-V Cache in the bottom and die compute CCDs closer to the heat sink.
Hey BZ, how are you? I am doing a new build. I have MSI x870e Carbon. Using the 9800x3d or 9950x (not sure yet); I have my eyes on these two sets of DDR5. Can you recommend one set or better. 1. Gskill 64gb 30 36 36 96 @ 6000 $220 2. Corsair titanium 64gb 30 36 36 76 @ 6000 $260
@@ryandraj Both of those kits will perform almost the exact same (tRas 96 and 76 are really not much different for performance) and also, will have the exact same chance of being either Hynix M-Die, or more likely A-Die, which means the same OC potential on both. So get the cheaper kit if looks don't matter.
i taught myself some photoshop literally 20 years ago and haven't touched it since. To this day i could get more done in photoshop in 10 minutes than it takes me hours to do in Gimp
Back to the origins once again, this is the good stuff 50 minutes of PCB breakdowns, f yeah
Hell yeah
Ah finally, Buildzoid in his natural environment!
I imagine Buildzoid's bedroom is just a bunch of motherboards on the walls like wallpaper where he has a handfull of rigs running Prime95
@@jcdenton7914 yes, he sometimes shows it and talks about it
@@jcdenton7914 he sometimes shows his room or talks about it, you're almost right
@@jcdenton7914 probably NEVER resells any of em.
roll that beautiful sliding jpg footage
The PCIe 8-pin connector at the bottom of the board is probably necessary to support the PCIe 5.1 standard - it expands the allowable power spikes of the PCIe slot
also for older GPUs that use the FULL 75w of slot power mabye if your doing a weird dual GPU setup?
Does MSI have a Thunderbolt 5 card in the pipe maybe?
Thanks for this. I've been tossing up between the PRO X870-P and the X870 Tomahawk, so it's nice that you've looked at one of them.
Thank you for the breakdown! I just bought this to pair it with my 7950X.
I’m an engineer, you’re much more qualified at this analysis. Don’t think you need that disclaimer 🙂
anyone can be an engineer in 2020s.
No you're not.
Thanks BZ. Been looking for a decently priced AM5 motherboard with a post code for some time and this video made me finally order one. If you need proof of people buying things due to your videos for future samples I can send a reciept. 😉
On M.2 PCI-E lanes and gens, there is that specific Samsung drive (990 EVO) that has specific controller support for doing Gen 4 x4 or Gen 5 x2, just to be an outlier (nothing is untrue about what you said, just that they specifically implemented both), and it'd be cool to see more of that kind of flexibility in the future, but it's hard to justify spending more for that feature specifically when it's so hard to know if you'll ever need it. Could be great for NVME NAS systems in the future, as they often can't allocate 4 lanes a drive, but obviously none of them are gen 5 yet.
MSi doesn't mention 27W USB-C power anywhere. For VR-users USB-C is always a concern as most USB-C ports only supply 15w which makes your headset run out of power after awhile. I ended up getting a B650 AERO-G which has 60w USB-C, because that was the only mobo under 400usd that said anything about USB-C power.
It does, but only in the manual does MSI state that the front panel Type-C port can output 27W. Everywhere else, this info is missing.
ah, CLASSIC bz content))
I'd love to see a motherboard company try to hire Buildzoid as sort of a functional consultant - he could basically do the same thing as he's doing here - give a 1 hour presentation to the engineering team on what seems important to focus on, what's already overkill, etc. Create a prototype with those changes and send it to him for analysis and testing - do that 2-3 times, and release a branded Mobo with an AHC logo or some Buildzoid branding or something - maybe aim for 2 SKUs - one high end and one low end with the same core lessons applied.
Make it happen MSI!
They already know the weaknesses but they also need to make money
@@florin604 building overkill VRMs has a cost associated with it - that money could be moved to other parts of the board or just be better spent elsewhere. If they're already aware of the issues, why build such extreme overkill? VRMs capable of 400W to a zen5 cpu seems wasteful?
Overkill VRM is marketing part, which apparently works. These board vendors have amazing engineers which definitely know what is good for PC enthusiasts. But then there is marketing team and product managers, which want to be sure that they can squeeze as much money as possible.
@@ProKoks-oo7xg branding a motherboard with "Actually Hardcore Overclocking" would also probably be good for marketing.
This isn't even an unrealistic idea, headphone companies do collaboration products with audio gear youtubers all the time where they tune the products based on their recommendations.
I'd definitely be interested in an AM5 motherboard that came with an official AHOC stamp of approval right on the box.
I love your PCB breakdowns. Do you plan on doing more X870 motherboard PCB breakdowns, e.g. for your Asus Hero board?
I'm sure that he will eventually.
6:05 - Which is why I really wish we now had decent PCIe 5x1 drives and multiple such slots on boards, as PCIe 3x4 speed is more than adequate for pretty much all bandwidth requirements and still faster than most drives can sustain for typical usage, allowing lots of drives, but only requiring a few lanes, freeing up lanes for add-in cards, USB ports et al, whilst still allowing a PCIe 5x4 slot for a super-fast drive for that occasional person that can actually make use of it.
Maybe one day we'll have manufacturers allowing engineers and designers to make boards that make sense rather than being dominated by "bigger number == better" marketing nonsense.
EDIT - corrected "we" to "as" ... odd typo but, it happened 🤷♀
*New connector idea*
A tiny header (google U.2), which is supplied with pcie5x4, you get a breakout cable for both power and data. You can connect 4 separate M.2 drives at x1_x1_x1_x1 in the same space motherboard space as a right angle SATA3 header.
Each drive can do up to 3.9GB sec... which last I checked nobody complained about the speeds of their 970 Evo plus (and 99% of windows operations are
@@tomstech4390
A) MCIO
B) I complain about the speed of my 970 Evo+ (and 970 Evo), but that's the controller and flash, not bandwidth issue.
C) There's loads of unused space on the back of mobos, which could be really easy to reach with a new standard design, that could incorporate the current hodge-podge rear connector thing that needs standardising.
D) There's already a few solutions to the m.2 screw issue.
Interesting that you say this board might do well for memory. Iirc Steve over at HUB found that, at least out of the samples he got, MSI is doing pretty well this go around. I don't know how reliable his testing was, but I like to see it included in mainstream motherboard reviews!
Also, as far as overkill components go, I wonder what the cost of a high-end but pragmatic motherboard would look like compared to what they're doing now.
Steve did an hour of AIDA64 and showed the highest speed at which each board passed the hour. It was basic "can the board hit the DDR5 8000 spec AMD is claiming" type testing.
It would probably look like the Asrock x870e taichi light.
I have always been a fan of the Tomahawk boards. It's awesome that MSI decided to put a post code on them!
This is the kind of MoBo review i wish we had for every board
Thanks for the analysis! I purchased this board a few days ago for a 9800X3D build. First MSI board in my almost 20 years of building PCs. Not crazy about the aesthetics, especially the lime green accents, but it had significantly better specs at the 250-300 price point than the competition. Post code and rear IO were the big things for me.
Pairing with 64GB of dual-rank A-die so we'll see what memory speeds are achievable.
How do you like the board and bios now ?
"Adorable litttle input filtering inductor." LOL.
I was looking for this info on this board as you uploaded. Thank you 😂
Your voice sounds like Kermit Frog :) Reminds me my childhood. I like it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂Never noticed it until you mentioned it. Hahahaha.
I admit I like having a postcode display but I wonder how many builders like myself realize we are paying $100+ more at times for a part that can be bought under 20 cents to be included.
You are paying $100+ more for more features than just a Debug Postcode display. Things like bigger heatspreaders, more/better backplate USBconnections, RGB elements, etc.
@@dnashj33 That's your brain on marketing. Companies always have a product that does the bare minimum that are esentially marketed for system integrators and other partners that will not pay for any useless shit. Then there's the mid-tier products that only exists to provide a large feature list of all the the stuff you're missing out on if you're not willing to pay them significant margins. Then there's the high end, monster boards that combine as many paradoxical features as possible to get two consumers on the same expensive board even though their interest do not overlap. I'm not saying every company is exactly like this but if you pay attention you'll start finding paradox-features in consumer products.
Unless you're of the belief that everyone who buys monster VRM's are LN overclockers that like RGB ram.
thank you and thanks to you, BZ, this will be my next MB, also cause of the POST Code LEDs (i love these things!!!). i'm planning using 3x M.2 SSDs, all Gen 4, all in RAID 0 (if it'll work, i don't understand how those lane allocations you mentioned work :) )
powaaa stagess! more power stages!
i love this board, just waiting on the 9800x3d release and away we go lol.
Post code display is a must for me, it's such a small feature but makes a huge difference in diagnosing issues. It’s frustrating to see mobo manufacturers cheaping out and cutting corners like this.
thanks for your special work....
The ease of NVME SSD DIY feature is now good enough, and it will not improve in the future, so when to move the pcie slot to the backside in order to prevent conflict with nvme ssd installation.
To enter a safe mode where the bios setup has no background, hold reset for over 10 seconds and release.
About the extra pcie power, remember that M.2 is pcie so I assume both the pcie slots AND the M.2 slots would (potentially) benefit from the extra connector...
47:09 the summary
Amazing as per usual.
I want to see a bios tour of this board
Without cpu power delivery, the cpu won’t work… classic! 😊
I await the videos pointing to best x870e motherboards
A warning for anyone who is considering buying this motherboard - it does not work as advertised with 9800X3D. They need to release a serious BIOS fix for the RAM to work at above 4800mhz. MSI forums are flooded with complaints.
Are you going to do another AM5 board round-up? Pretty please!
came looking to buy mobo for the 9800x3d, and not got disappointed
I thought that you were an Asrock fan for am5 platform, due to bios settings. When you review the layout for 870 nova?
Asrock doesn't send me review samples and I only plan to buy a Taichi Lite.
Ah dang , please do consider x870 steel legend bcoz it will be mostly used by the community as it's cheaper
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You mean you're buying the $400 X870E Tachi Lite ?
People running banks of (awful) riser extensions might appreciate the extra PCIE power socket.
Nice board! It got the option to disable the usb4 so that 2nd gen 5 m.2 gets full x4 bandwidth. USB 4 is useless for me.
G'day Buildzoid
"Actually you may be able to power 2 9950Xs with just one of these boards"
🤔AMD 3D CPU Stacking
PS MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI down here is $636AUD😲
Wonder if the PCIE supplementary power could be for some oddball Thunderbolt 5 card MSI has in the pipe? Or some of those wild multi-M.2 5.0 cards?
Tomahawk and Carbon are pretty great (for 4Dimm boards) with memory. Even 8400c40. Of course the Godlike, too, but that thing should be a 2Dimm going for 8800/9000MT/s imo. Where is the AM5 version of Unify-X, @MSI?
Would be nice to see a breakdown of the MSI Carbon Wifi x870e... as it's the board I'm looking to upgrade to
Techspot website got a great article if you search X870 roundup there and the Carbon is mentioned.
Possible to do a review of X870E Nova from Asrock
the memory 12v to 5v might be to share design with ATX12VO motherboards if those even exist anymore
how will this board the x870 Tamahawk compare to asus tuf gaming x870? price is almost the same
12:42 isn't that just the gpu power connector? i have a relatively crappy gpu but i still plug it in. don't tell me that i don't need to? coz once i even waited a week or two to get a 90 degree connector for the gpu end so the internals would fit into an old school ibm desktop case. unless this is an additional one, i'm not sure what the prob is.
PLEASE! Do this type video with the MSI CARBON x870e MB please?
hehe, i never turned off the psu with any mobo while clearing the cmos. and that goes back to 386 era.
It's honestly such a shame that MSI makes actually decent AM5 boards, yet that shaky relationship they've got with AMD these days makes me reluctant to trust in how long they'll wholeheartedly support them.
I don't understand, could you elaborate a bit on the shaky relationship between AMD and MSI?
@suhaskamat8548 Well, they don't seem to be all that fond of each other these days. MSI being dead last with releasing their Radeon GPUs for years and now abandoning Radeon altogether, MSI being the only large scale manufacturer to go with MTL for a handheld (with the expected 👎 result), MSI releasing less and less AMx boards each generation... it just starts to look like there's a pattern. Also, there seems to be some behind the scenes talk going on that TechTubers are already picking up on. Of course that's all just grapevine, but still. Where there's smoke, there's fire more often than not.
"MSI sent me a review sample, so I made something that isn't a review" 😂
Could that extra PCIe power connector be used for powering M.2 drives? I wouldn't think they'd have enough draw to need it, but with dual 5.0 drives? Maybe?
10:03 and you can use USB Type-C to USB Type-C cable for your phone.
I thought that additional power connector on the bottom was to support USB 4 ports with power delivery.
Apparently USB4 can supportsl 100w of pd.
But perhaps it doesn't work that way on mbs... I don't know, im a dope.
Hi . Is there an asynchronous mode in the bios to overclock with this mothoard ? Thanks in advance .
*0:08** Sponzored? Not tagged?*
regarding the 2nd GEN5 ssd, am i correct in thinking that drive will still work but just at 5x2 and both the USB4 ports will still function @40gbps and that a 5x2 ssd is still faster than a GEN4x4 ssd? also if i disable the USB ports in bios, then will both USB4 ports be completely disabled/non-functional.... not just nerfed into a 10GBPS speed? i am looking for ANY motherboard that can provide a GEN5 GPU with all 16 lanes and 2 GEN5 ssd's at full 4 lanes each (no lane sharing) preferably with usable USB4c ports. -thank you for any clarification-
Could you do the msi pro x870 p wifi? One of the cheapest x870
Why the fuck this guy has only 2-3 k views but 100+k subs his content do is unique and is great idea though
Actually Yapping Overclocking
MSI did a lazy job designing the PCIe layout for this board. Using the CPU Lanes for the USB4 controller is a total waste. the ASmedia chip only requires 4 PCIe lanes at Gen4 speeds, which they could have just gotten off the X870 chipset. AS for the Additional power connector at the bottom of the board, that's there to handle the Power Delivery requirements of the USB4 ports as well as the front USB-C port. You also have to remember, USB4 supports Thunderbolt, which uses quite a bit of power, you will usually find Thunderbolt add-in cards needing an additional 6 pin PCIe power connector, so not surprised this is on the board. especially with the ATX power connector not being the solid pin type
AFAIK the CPU lanes being used for the USB controller is the norm for X870 and X870E.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah like i said, waste. ASUS on the X670E ProArt Creator uses PCH lanes for the onboard Intel USB4/TB controller. This is the reason why i waited till X870E was announced and could see the PCIe layout, I went with the ASUS board as i am not losing any features going X670E vs X870E with the ProArt and in fact gaining additional PCIe lanes for M.2 drives off the CPU. BTW. Love your board reviews. they help me choose my hardware
You need to blame AMD for the PCIe layout, dedicated lanes for the USB4 became standard with X870 / X870E boards, that’s not an MSI decision. It’s one of the few actual changes to the published spec that differentiates the 800 boards from 600 series.
@@Slyons89 Actually you will find that AMD's spec of Mandatory USB4 connection for certain 800 Series chipsets DOES NOT state HOW the controller needs to be connected to the system, only that it is required to be there. MSI and quite a few others have taken the easy approach of using PCIe lanes from the CPU as its more convenient for them rather than routing them from the PCH. the PCH has more than enough lanes to support the ASMedia USB4 controller, you'd simply lose one of he M.2 slots attached to said PCH which makes more sense as the Lanes coming off the CPU are Gen5 lanes, where as the USB4 controller only needs 4 Gen4 lanes, which is what the PCH offers natively
: Does anyone know if there are some nice AM5 two DIMM slot boards incomming?
With the recent news on the new 9000X3D chips these cpus might just get me interessted again, since they're supposed to be unlocked for traditional overclocking due to putting the 3D-V Cache in the bottom and die compute CCDs closer to the heat sink.
out of topic. what happen if I pair 6000 mts memory kit with 12500 on a b760m mobo?
So is it a 7 phase or 14 phase?
Is that a Canadian accent? I asked that because to my California ears it's quite enhanced.
The AONS36306 are highside and lowside?
yeah there's 2 of them 1 for each side. You don't need different low and high side fets if the output current is low.
We need the rambling videos of x870 :) please :)
Hey BZ, how are you? I am doing a new build. I have MSI x870e Carbon. Using the 9800x3d or 9950x (not sure yet); I have my eyes on these two sets of DDR5. Can you recommend one set or better. 1. Gskill 64gb 30 36 36 96 @ 6000 $220 2. Corsair titanium 64gb 30 36 36 76 @ 6000 $260
@@ryandraj Both of those kits will perform almost the exact same (tRas 96 and 76 are really not much different for performance) and also, will have the exact same chance of being either Hynix M-Die, or more likely A-Die, which means the same OC potential on both. So get the cheaper kit if looks don't matter.
@atirta777 thank you
Why not 6400 cl30/cl32 ?
@@jvidia Amd had indicated that the sweet spot for 9000 series is still 6000Mhz
@@ryandraj That's the guaranteed sweet spot. If your IO die can handle 6200 or 6400 1:1 then that's obviously better.
where is the nova man... like wtf?!
so, i can use my 4090 as a CPU on this mobo! wow, i cant afford it
Buy Oscilloscope. Would watch.
i taught myself some photoshop literally 20 years ago and haven't touched it since. To this day i could get more done in photoshop in 10 minutes than it takes me hours to do in Gimp
They really don’t want to put 10gbe on these boards. It’s kinda annoying
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taichi and nova are the best this generation
Is the mem overclocking still botched on them? As in they didn't do 7400+. Thinking of the Nova if it does 8000+
@@N0rth0M-1 are they? So expensive and still mem oc not working as best as the rest.
@@atirta777 My X670E Taichi does 8000 Mt/s but it took over 200 hours to get it running stable with tightened timings.
@@atirta777 ASRock really messed up their memory oc support.
@@PowellCat745 I hope it's due to early BIOSes cuz it would be weird that some of their B650 4-Dimms could do 8000MT/s but X870 wouldn't
meh, can´t read your spellings. 14:44
Ummmmm
cant stand green accents of new tomahawk
Case without a window saves so much money and headaches