Wow! Clem got me back into SC2 in 2020 when he was a scrappy underdog with insane micro, no defense, and shoddy mechanics. Even then, his replays stood out-he was inventing his own style of Terran. It's amazing to watch him take it to the next level now. It’s like watching an elite athlete; the game isn't "unbalanced," he's just transcending what we reasonably expect from a player.
Love clem but i really don't see any angle for zerg to win those game... can't surprise all in. Can't win fights. Can't defend multiple sides at once. As long as my man does screw up there's no way he loses...
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PiG, if I were you, I’d integrate this channel into your main one, especially since you’re not uploading as often as a video a day. That’ll get these cast videos more views for sure. Unless you have some reason not to i guess
I think the algorithm punishes combining channels, if I understand correctly. If both general strategy/casual casts were on the same channel as pro casts, then the casual cast audience would only watch half the videos on the combined channel, and the pro cast audience would only watch half the videos on the combined channel, and the algorithm goes "oh I guess now the audience is disinterested, they went from watching 100% of videos to only 50%" and the videos stop getting boosted. To my understanding, this is why generally people have multiple channels.
Serral is 9 wins and 1 loss against maru in their last 10 games played. Clem is 9 wins and 1 loss against serral in their last 10 games. All Hail the Clemperor! 👑
In my opinion Serral is still the best player overall. In 2024, he only lost to Clem and once to Maru in an insignificant game, besting him later in the same tournament. Clem loses to many more opponents, although he is the only one to stand between Serral and complete dominance over the SC2 scene. If it wasn't for Clem, Serral would have won every single tournament he entered this year, no questions asked. In the 1v1 Clem is ahead, thus it is on Serral to adapt to Clem like he did in the past... it will be interesting to watch.
Agree 100% Clem overall is loosing more games than serral, but reliably (right now) beats serral. I remeber also it was similiar btwn serral and reynor and serral managed to adapt. Also his form right now is probably not peaks since he just returned after military service. we gonna see
this is why I told serral fanboys to stop crying about balance, bc if serral is truly the goat, he would come back to beat wildly inconsistent clem. Beating clem on a new patch with nerfed terran means nothing. it says serral wins only on zerg patches.
I’m very excited to see Serral’s return. This morning I was disheartened to see him lose. But, upon reflection seeing him struggle and have grow as a professional gamer is going to if it’s possible make him harder to play against and a more nuanced player. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to use nuance in a sentence today. 😅
the queen nerf changes everything. what is the "best" player now? Would you still say clem is the best player after his arch rival gets nerfed multiple times to the point of not being able to win due to balance?
@@thedeadbaby As long as Serral is beating every other Terran in a >= Bo5 series without much trouble as he did in the past, I am giving credit and respect to Clem where they are due. Remember, Serral beat Clem 3-0 at Katowice. He lost 4 games to Clem since, while being on Military Service. Let the man adapt. He did so in the past versus Clem and others and he will do so once again. But Clem is an absolute monster at the moment too... and I don't think that it is only because of nerfs. And even if it was: perhaps the nerfs were warranted ;)
About the last game analysis, can someone tell me why not just build 2-3 spore crawlers on the edges of the naturla, 3 and main? I have heard one time, pros dont do that, because its more cost efficient to put their army in the right place, but apparently, its not that easy against someone like clem. And when you already 3 base saturated, that 3 drones +225(?) minerals, wont throw you off. AND it saves alot of APM, which is arguably, the most important ressource against someone like clem. Correct me if I´m wrong, just my 2 cents!
It is probably a good idea, but pros 1. Are not usually used to spamming tons of static defence unless they play Terran, and Zergs especially. 2. Zerg static gets cleared super fast. If you drop spores on the edge of the map, medidrops probably just clear with with a small marine ball and move on. In most cases it’s probably worth, but if it gets done it’ll usually be cleared and then it won’t be replaced. 3. Pros are very biased against building static in general and usually prefer to use army. It’s kinda in their nature to try minimise “useless” static, and even in cases like this where it’s very useful, it’s hard to break the habit when on auto pilot.
If we also look at the balance in their other RTS title, WC3, we see "terran" (human) also getting megabuffs. We clearly see that their balance team is failing.
We've reached the point were we basically don't even need to watch the games to know who wins. If it is T vs Not-Serral: Terran Wins. And if it is the best Terran (Clem) vs the best non-terran, Terran wins again. Wow, absolutly amazing. This game is no longer about: Who is the best? But: Who is playing Terran. What did the last patch do? It nerfed the Ultra, the Queen and the Hydra. Like - seriously? It's getting ridicilous. I seriously wonder if the balance councel is betting tons of money on which race wins the next tournaments. They don't even try to pretend to make a balanced game any longer.
Serral on his own is the reason why Zerg has received SEVERAL nerfs to niche interactions and strong synergies. Why can't the balance team consider Clem's strength on Terran good enough to do the same? 2- base marauder is way too strong against P OR Z, and both races got severe early game nerfs against timing attacks in general. It's not fair. Not even close.
@@xeanthomas5231 Exactly. The burrowed infestor comes to mind. Where Serral was the ONLY player who managed to do that. And T had PLENTY! of counterplays against it - scans, raven... But instead of saying to Terran: "Well, then you have to use the tools you have" they just nerfed the infestor. You can't make this up.
@@wedgeantilles8575Even earlier, Serral got tunneling claw roaches nerfed with how good he is at utilizing them, all because T couldn't afford the apm to build a single raven. And P doesn't know what an observer is when they have stargates and some oracles out.😂
IMO 47:50 to 50:45 (and probably the series in general) is a great example of what's wrong with this whole matchup. Terran drop capability is free (because you would build a medivac regardless for healing), and is in the air, which has no answer from Zerg. This allows FREE drops into enemy bases for harassment, free ledge scouting for tanks, and more importantly - mechanically skilled aggressive Terrans like Clem have zero counterplay on pushes. Whether or not a push fails or succeeds is 10% army numbers, 10% positioning, and 80% if the Terran is skilled enough to just straight pick up and leave in the face of bad positioning or a hard counter (like fungal here). Honestly, I don't think I have issues with Terran balance in TvZ except for Zerg's lack of economical AA and T3 units. Which happens to also be the problem in PvZ. Leave Terran alone and just give Zerg ANY feasible AA (and then heavily buff Protoss because they would be completely screwed). That might not fix things immediately, but I think that's probably the best path forward from where we are now. The efficiency of medivacs is just too high in TvZ. I mean, Serral had to be more efficient than Clem in the game that he won, which is completely against the whole design philosophy of the races - I feel like that should be a sign that the balance council needs to look at.
"I mean, Serral had to be more efficient than Clem in the game that he won" Maybe it's because of the language barrier (i'm french even if i'm not bad in english) but I don't understand what you're trying to say. As I understand it, I want to answer that of course you have to play better than the person you're beating to win and that's kind of the principle. But that's why I guess I misunderstood something. That being said, remember the Serral vs Clem duel at the end of 2023 where Clem had killed for more than 15,000 resources more than Serral, he was still on the verge of losing because the zerg reproduction is just so much stronger than the Terran one.
@@rocobrasaure You understand correctly! But it's built into the core design philosophy of Zerg to be less efficient with units/resources. That is, Zerg should be "losing" on the resources lost tab, even when winning the game. They're meant to be cheap and disposable with mass reproduction, but ultimately inefficient for cost compared to other races. This means that without watching the game, if you see a Zerg going even on resources lost, you can assume that the Zerg is probably dominating the game because they're "supposed to be" losing heavily on resources lost as the game goes on (which was not the case here).
@@rockcycle824 Yes you re right on this point. Its a thing a lot of whiners zergs doesn't seem to understand (im totally neutral, not for Zerg or Terran nor even Protoss). But when in this game Pig said, Serral trade better than Clem, he had still lost (if i remember) at least 1000 ressources more than Clem (i assumed its less than the ressources he should have lost so its why we can considerate Serral traded better). So i don't understand your problem here.
I read the comments. I am a moody player... I play all, each have strengths and weaknesses, Terran not so much. I prefer zerg, because it has great recovery mechanics if you have money, so eco damage is beneficial for zerg... protoss probes build the fastest... and they need one builder, which gives more money. Terran is slow, but has the best stabilization skills because of siege tanks. In most games Terran can dictate if it's going to be a long game or short. Zerg loses a drone, they did adjust larva problems, but often zerg should have more hatcheries and queens, a body shield hatch can save an extended mineral line on the 4rth... cost little, save drones save whatever... if we talk balance... you don't want each race to identical... so... zerg gets the fastest units... Terran longest ground range, protoss longest air range... spell casters...great.. every zerg unit can go invisible. Zergs weakness is air, protoss weakness is early invisible. Zerg has one unit that can kill from underground. The ghost unit.. in the Evo was savage in that dark game.. 40 ghosts... killed two end game waves of dark, after the third he left... it was an island game, which to make island games better, Los clouds maybe.. the problem is island games with scans gives unlimited viewing and range... a player global cool down that stacks to 4 or 5.... then there is a 30 second cool down per regenerating a scan, or maybe 3... and a cost of a orbital, is .75 supply. As like most cases. 199 supply can build always a 1 supply unit. 199 is always whole. Meh emp on protoss is as fun as lottery bowling protoss. Emp on raven would cause a lot of problems. Mainly emp, sentry, on a protoss mineral line is sad.. times... emp field that does shield and energy over time. The complaint is not energy, but the shields also impacted... maybe a larger eltrical rock lifting look before an emp blast... nuke and emp have infinite damage. It's set up as whatever I greater.. well nukes... emp on units do a percentage damage minus 10, so they can be zeroed... and shields regenerate instantly after an emp doesn't count as damage, so they don't have to wait 6 seconds or whatever it is... after an emp. Immediately recharging unless hut... this would make the game more Co.petitive... snipe is needed... but with scans didn't really work... there is no anti scan.. so they lowered the damage of snipe... lol technically google maps or sat feed can be blacked out or interrupt transmission data... so protoss being able to create un salable zones with a building or a sentry skill would be interesting to a balance...
Honestly Clem's play style is incredibly predictable but only when he's playing Serral. Drops/walks behind minerals to minimize surface area. Consistent banshees harass to drones on the outskirts and creep cleanup to destroy momentum. Too bad Zerg has no counter to either due to extreme nerfs. Especially to the queen.
Sc2 has never been as boring as it is now and even a long time viewer like me is finding the games completely pointless to watch, and as for HSC, have they ever had as bad viewership as this year? Doesn't surprise me if that's the case...
@@jardy3597 I still watch but I skip uninteresting matches, viewer time probably down below 50% compared to when the state of the game isn't as flat out silly.
Personally I love TvZ (my favorite matchup) and I love seeing Clem (who pushes tvz to a level never reached before him) play especially vs Serral so I'm not hard to please I guess. On the other hand I wonder out of pure and sincere curiosity, what do you not like here (no judgment, sincere question)? Whether it's micro/macro or just level of play, late 2023-2024 has shown us a level of play that makes some world championship finals look like matches between gold players. So I'm open-minded but I wonder what you don't like here.
Spire.. corruptor.. 5 can help, but puts you at a mineral deficit... for ground... in the early.. the maps favor drops... Terran has extremely cheap drops... so every map with zones where people can't be hit from land to air attack... hmm. Maybe offset Grey zones, but where those zones go.. it gives plus 3 to Terran and protoss flying.
Clem is just too aggressive for serral! If clem gives serral a breather then he would just capitalize on it. Only way to beat serral is massive aggression from early to late games
sure is fun how if zerg loses 1 fight the game is over but has to win 10 fights in a row to have a chance to win, hopefully the wannabe 'pro' terrans making these decisions get what they want and can finally beat that one 6k guy that clowned on them on ladder for years
@@silverpro8356 it's nothing to do with blizzard anymore, the balance council is made up of players not blizzard employees, which is the main problem since most of the noise is made by terrans and they of course want their race to be op. give me david kim blizzard balance anyday
"sure is fun how if zerg loses 1 fight the game is over but has to win 10 fights in a row to have a chance to win" You meant "Terran" didn't you or are you trolling... It is precisely the great strength of the zergs to be able to lose 13 fights, to have lost 10,000 more resources and still have a good chance of winning. I bring you back to Atlanta at the end of 2023 in the game where Serral literally loses every fight and still remains 1 fungal well placed to win. So at one point, the whining...
SPOILER ALERT Long time spectator, never a player. So I know Terran is considered op right now but........how is it fair that zerg was able to win game 3? If the situation were reversed, and the Terran lost 9 workers in the early game, the game would have shifted very rapidly into a zerg favored game; either zerg gains instant map control and balloons in supply and bases or zerg aggression just overwhelms the behind terran. Why is it fair that when the zerg gets hit in the early game like that they still have the space to macro out and give themselves a fighting chance in that situation?
I wouldn't say ZvT is super terran favoured, it's relatively well balanced just super lategame has been very Terran favoured for Clem lately, and Clem is so good at TvZ at all stages that he's making the matchup look unfair because he's just so good. Those worker kills were huge, but keep in mind 9 vs zerg isn't as big as 9 vs Terran due to zerg's ability to mass workers quicker than Terran. I think Clem's key mistake was pushing on the 4th base a bit too late and blinding cloud having time to finish. at 45:05 you see him also Attack moves his marines inside a blinding cloud, so they run INTO the banelings which is a big mistake (I missed what happened there live, thought he ran out of stim or something because I was confused how the banes connected on his marines). I think there might also have been some more fungals later on that he got caught by when he probably could have turtled/played a bit slower and been more careful with scans/forward turrets/raven to not get caught by that
Dark, Reynor, Serral wins everything for years. Zerg babies: "LOL (insert zerg player) is so good, he is the GOAT". Clem becomes WC: "OMFG NERF TERRAN.". How more insulting are you going to get towards Clem just because you want to rally up the community for your favorite race?
Zerg is my favorite race and I feel so bad for the way people downplays Protos and Terran wins... I mean... Serral loses to Clem here not the Zerg loses to the Terran... And was so f****** close. If it was other Terran, Serral would win 90% of the time. It is also a matter of player styles... Clem seems to struggle even more with other players like Rogue, Reynor and Dark. You can see, for example, that nydus worms makes Clem way more uneasy in this games with Serral... I wonder if Serral will going to use mass overseers some time...
u need to nerf an entire race just cuz 1 or 2 zergs are above the rest. while when u look at the entire ladder zerg is getting their ass handed to them.
I mean, there has been several nerfs targeting serral over the years :D the balance council must be happy now. Hope is he can find a workaround soon enough
@@coldfate1Because Serral's wins are using Zerg to its maximum ability with variety of units to win with. Terran? MMM balls, a buncha medivacs, some tanks and a bunch of ghosts. Always. Name a Terran that won with mech build on a tourney.... oh wait, you can't, because mech is a joke in SC2.
@@coldfate1 And they've been nerfing Serral over and over during those years because people wouldn't stop complaining about him winning. Zerg has gotten way more frustrating to play for me as a result. Maybe it's time to start crying about Terran now. After all, T is the reason why Protoss players cannot win tournaments, not Z. So let's nerf it to shit and problem solved. :D
Clem is destroying the game, watching a guy run with a knife after a guy with a gun is just frustrating. Balance the game it's not fun watching anymore
Meh, no wonder SC2 flopped so hard even in SoKor. Hell, Broodwar doesn't even receive any balance changes yet the meta constatly shifts because the top players consistently find new ways to play out their races depending on the matchups, even mirror matchups are crazy to watch. That and 4-player maps with fog of war helps a lot with match diversity rather the boring 2-player maps where you can see the damn place (not in vision anyway) and where the opposing player's base is. To be blunt, the medivac is really a mistake of a unit to exist. Z can't really take it out early game because their only source of AA is the queen and its pinprick needles lol and they made hydras a lair-tech unit for god knows why (not likw hydra busts even exist in SC2 anyways, and even if they did the "balance council" handily gave T a band-aid to that with the supply drop spell)
It is honestly kind of boring watching SC2 lately. Tournaments have been heavily terran filled. People complain that zerg is number one and still winning tournament, but it like Serral, Dark, and Reynor omg only the best of the best zerg players made it through so zerg imba. It almost always majority terran and a few a zerg. We will be lucky to see protoss make it pass the round robin if they aren't faced with mostly terran. I am a Serral Fan through and through, but the balance updates shafting protoss over and over again in the PvT match up is like what balance? You argue that they shouldn't balance the game around the pro level, but they do. I find it laughable and down right egregious when they argue that can't buff toss because of ladder, but nerf zerg because Serral is too good. You are lying to yourself if you really think they nerfed infestor burrowed vision because of ladder play.
Lol.if you keep killing serral drones...he will lose.he have no timing attack skill...or early attacks...he only have coward strategy call farming and until late games.i dunno who said he is goat🤣🤣🤣clem is much more stronger than serral
The only reason Clem is so great is because he reliably picks up his drogs, with other words, if you reach clems lever, you have such abuseable and non-counterable mechanics at hand that the game literally turn into a pop and trean just peels all day long. Fun for terrans I guess but it's sh*t to watch.
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Your commentary is banging, thanks for the wicked content as always dude.
thanks so much mate
Wow! Clem got me back into SC2 in 2020 when he was a scrappy underdog with insane micro, no defense, and shoddy mechanics. Even then, his replays stood out-he was inventing his own style of Terran. It's amazing to watch him take it to the next level now. It’s like watching an elite athlete; the game isn't "unbalanced," he's just transcending what we reasonably expect from a player.
Also got back into SC2 because of game during those years.
"Turning a baguette to a baseball bat", you made my day !
Bro you make me laugh so hard, so does Clem with some of the ridiculous adderal injected plays! The scv repairing the tank really got me
I hope Homestory got some money back, the lag was crazy this time around. Another reason LAN should always be an option, BlIzZaRd.
Love clem but i really don't see any angle for zerg to win those game... can't surprise all in. Can't win fights. Can't defend multiple sides at once. As long as my man does screw up there's no way he loses...
Clem is Serral's kryptonite. He is literally the ONLY player is StarCraft 2 who can beat Serral consistently.
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Suffer,used to mean, to allow.
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ty so much dude! clem's looking unstoppable
PiG, if I were you, I’d integrate this channel into your main one, especially since you’re not uploading as often as a video a day. That’ll get these cast videos more views for sure. Unless you have some reason not to i guess
I think the algorithm punishes combining channels, if I understand correctly. If both general strategy/casual casts were on the same channel as pro casts, then the casual cast audience would only watch half the videos on the combined channel, and the pro cast audience would only watch half the videos on the combined channel, and the algorithm goes "oh I guess now the audience is disinterested, they went from watching 100% of videos to only 50%" and the videos stop getting boosted. To my understanding, this is why generally people have multiple channels.
@@rockcycle824 most million subscribed youtubers have only a single major channel, so not sure wtf you’re even talking about
10:53 the middle depot drop didn’t heal the depot? I thought it was instant?
Looks like it was in its death animation right as the upgrade dropped
Serral is 9 wins and 1 loss against maru in their last 10 games played. Clem is 9 wins and 1 loss against serral in their last 10 games. All Hail the Clemperor! 👑
In my opinion Serral is still the best player overall.
In 2024, he only lost to Clem and once to Maru in an insignificant game, besting him later in the same tournament.
Clem loses to many more opponents, although he is the only one to stand between Serral and complete dominance over the SC2 scene.
If it wasn't for Clem, Serral would have won every single tournament he entered this year, no questions asked. In the 1v1 Clem is ahead, thus it is on Serral to adapt to Clem like he did in the past... it will be interesting to watch.
Agree 100% Clem overall is loosing more games than serral, but reliably (right now) beats serral. I remeber also it was similiar btwn serral and reynor and serral managed to adapt. Also his form right now is probably not peaks since he just returned after military service. we gonna see
this is why I told serral fanboys to stop crying about balance, bc if serral is truly the goat, he would come back to beat wildly inconsistent clem. Beating clem on a new patch with nerfed terran means nothing. it says serral wins only on zerg patches.
I’m very excited to see Serral’s return. This morning I was disheartened to see him lose. But, upon reflection seeing him struggle and have grow as a professional gamer is going to if it’s possible make him harder to play against and a more nuanced player.
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to use nuance in a sentence today. 😅
the queen nerf changes everything. what is the "best" player now? Would you still say clem is the best player after his arch rival gets nerfed multiple times to the point of not being able to win due to balance?
@@thedeadbaby
As long as Serral is beating every other Terran in a >= Bo5 series without much trouble as he did in the past, I am giving credit and respect to Clem where they are due.
Remember, Serral beat Clem 3-0 at Katowice. He lost 4 games to Clem since, while being on Military Service. Let the man adapt. He did so in the past versus Clem and others and he will do so once again.
But Clem is an absolute monster at the moment too... and I don't think that it is only because of nerfs. And even if it was: perhaps the nerfs were warranted ;)
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Can we get Yamato guns installed in Medivac already? They are so underutilized they need a buff.
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Serral game 3 .....wow...reminds us why he is the goat...greatest game comeback i have seen recently
I get that it's not worth it somehow... but I still keep wanting zerg to do a tumor line mapping the edges of the main base for better observation.
About the last game analysis, can someone tell me why not just build 2-3 spore crawlers on the edges of the naturla, 3 and main? I have heard one time, pros dont do that, because its more cost efficient to put their army in the right place, but apparently, its not that easy against someone like clem. And when you already 3 base saturated, that 3 drones +225(?) minerals, wont throw you off. AND it saves alot of APM, which is arguably, the most important ressource against someone like clem.
Correct me if I´m wrong, just my 2 cents!
It is probably a good idea, but pros 1. Are not usually used to spamming tons of static defence unless they play Terran, and Zergs especially. 2. Zerg static gets cleared super fast. If you drop spores on the edge of the map, medidrops probably just clear with with a small marine ball and move on. In most cases it’s probably worth, but if it gets done it’ll usually be cleared and then it won’t be replaced. 3. Pros are very biased against building static in general and usually prefer to use army. It’s kinda in their nature to try minimise “useless” static, and even in cases like this where it’s very useful, it’s hard to break the habit when on auto pilot.
Its a good idea to remove the medic boost for some balance? Now terran easily trading 2-3 marines for 5-6 probes,lings and queen with drops.
If we also look at the balance in their other RTS title, WC3, we see "terran" (human) also getting megabuffs. We clearly see that their balance team is failing.
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OMG Ive wanted a PiG cast of SerralvClem. but i can't watch right now. couple more hours. lol
Maxpax seems to be the only one to win against Clem in these match ups
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Clem is just too physically gifted for Serral.
Serral is still #1, since Clem loses to other players.
Serral is playing so poorly. It hurts to watch :(
We've reached the point were we basically don't even need to watch the games to know who wins.
If it is T vs Not-Serral: Terran Wins.
And if it is the best Terran (Clem) vs the best non-terran, Terran wins again.
Wow, absolutly amazing.
This game is no longer about: Who is the best?
But: Who is playing Terran.
What did the last patch do? It nerfed the Ultra, the Queen and the Hydra.
Like - seriously?
It's getting ridicilous. I seriously wonder if the balance councel is betting tons of money on which race wins the next tournaments.
They don't even try to pretend to make a balanced game any longer.
Serral on his own is the reason why Zerg has received SEVERAL nerfs to niche interactions and strong synergies. Why can't the balance team consider Clem's strength on Terran good enough to do the same?
2- base marauder is way too strong against P OR Z, and both races got severe early game nerfs against timing attacks in general. It's not fair. Not even close.
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@@SpollyTrotts Good.
@@xeanthomas5231 Exactly.
The burrowed infestor comes to mind.
Where Serral was the ONLY player who managed to do that.
And T had PLENTY! of counterplays against it - scans, raven...
But instead of saying to Terran: "Well, then you have to use the tools you have" they just nerfed the infestor.
You can't make this up.
@@wedgeantilles8575Even earlier, Serral got tunneling claw roaches nerfed with how good he is at utilizing them, all because T couldn't afford the apm to build a single raven. And P doesn't know what an observer is when they have stargates and some oracles out.😂
Comment #68 going down here. Come on lads, we can do it!
IMO 47:50 to 50:45 (and probably the series in general) is a great example of what's wrong with this whole matchup. Terran drop capability is free (because you would build a medivac regardless for healing), and is in the air, which has no answer from Zerg. This allows FREE drops into enemy bases for harassment, free ledge scouting for tanks, and more importantly - mechanically skilled aggressive Terrans like Clem have zero counterplay on pushes. Whether or not a push fails or succeeds is 10% army numbers, 10% positioning, and 80% if the Terran is skilled enough to just straight pick up and leave in the face of bad positioning or a hard counter (like fungal here). Honestly, I don't think I have issues with Terran balance in TvZ except for Zerg's lack of economical AA and T3 units. Which happens to also be the problem in PvZ. Leave Terran alone and just give Zerg ANY feasible AA (and then heavily buff Protoss because they would be completely screwed). That might not fix things immediately, but I think that's probably the best path forward from where we are now.
The efficiency of medivacs is just too high in TvZ. I mean, Serral had to be more efficient than Clem in the game that he won, which is completely against the whole design philosophy of the races - I feel like that should be a sign that the balance council needs to look at.
"I mean, Serral had to be more efficient than Clem in the game that he won"
Maybe it's because of the language barrier (i'm french even if i'm not bad in english) but I don't understand what you're trying to say. As I understand it, I want to answer that of course you have to play better than the person you're beating to win and that's kind of the principle. But that's why I guess I misunderstood something.
That being said, remember the Serral vs Clem duel at the end of 2023 where Clem had killed for more than 15,000 resources more than Serral, he was still on the verge of losing because the zerg reproduction is just so much stronger than the Terran one.
@@rocobrasaure You understand correctly! But it's built into the core design philosophy of Zerg to be less efficient with units/resources. That is, Zerg should be "losing" on the resources lost tab, even when winning the game. They're meant to be cheap and disposable with mass reproduction, but ultimately inefficient for cost compared to other races. This means that without watching the game, if you see a Zerg going even on resources lost, you can assume that the Zerg is probably dominating the game because they're "supposed to be" losing heavily on resources lost as the game goes on (which was not the case here).
@@rockcycle824 Yes you re right on this point. Its a thing a lot of whiners zergs doesn't seem to understand (im totally neutral, not for Zerg or Terran nor even Protoss). But when in this game Pig said, Serral trade better than Clem, he had still lost (if i remember) at least 1000 ressources more than Clem (i assumed its less than the ressources he should have lost so its why we can considerate Serral traded better). So i don't understand your problem here.
I read the comments. I am a moody player... I play all, each have strengths and weaknesses, Terran not so much. I prefer zerg, because it has great recovery mechanics if you have money, so eco damage is beneficial for zerg... protoss probes build the fastest... and they need one builder, which gives more money. Terran is slow, but has the best stabilization skills because of siege tanks. In most games Terran can dictate if it's going to be a long game or short. Zerg loses a drone, they did adjust larva problems, but often zerg should have more hatcheries and queens, a body shield hatch can save an extended mineral line on the 4rth... cost little, save drones save whatever... if we talk balance... you don't want each race to identical... so... zerg gets the fastest units... Terran longest ground range, protoss longest air range... spell casters...great.. every zerg unit can go invisible. Zergs weakness is air, protoss weakness is early invisible. Zerg has one unit that can kill from underground. The ghost unit.. in the Evo was savage in that dark game.. 40 ghosts... killed two end game waves of dark, after the third he left... it was an island game, which to make island games better, Los clouds maybe.. the problem is island games with scans gives unlimited viewing and range... a player global cool down that stacks to 4 or 5.... then there is a 30 second cool down per regenerating a scan, or maybe 3... and a cost of a orbital, is .75 supply. As like most cases. 199 supply can build always a 1 supply unit. 199 is always whole. Meh emp on protoss is as fun as lottery bowling protoss. Emp on raven would cause a lot of problems. Mainly emp, sentry, on a protoss mineral line is sad.. times... emp field that does shield and energy over time. The complaint is not energy, but the shields also impacted... maybe a larger eltrical rock lifting look before an emp blast... nuke and emp have infinite damage. It's set up as whatever I greater.. well nukes... emp on units do a percentage damage minus 10, so they can be zeroed... and shields regenerate instantly after an emp doesn't count as damage, so they don't have to wait 6 seconds or whatever it is... after an emp. Immediately recharging unless hut... this would make the game more Co.petitive... snipe is needed... but with scans didn't really work... there is no anti scan.. so they lowered the damage of snipe... lol technically google maps or sat feed can be blacked out or interrupt transmission data... so protoss being able to create un salable zones with a building or a sentry skill would be interesting to a balance...
ngl, i missed serral all this time
Terran is looking stronger this patch than last tbh
LateZerg looks bad against both Protoss and Terran...yikes
Honestly Clem's play style is incredibly predictable but only when he's playing Serral. Drops/walks behind minerals to minimize surface area. Consistent banshees harass to drones on the outskirts and creep cleanup to destroy momentum. Too bad Zerg has no counter to either due to extreme nerfs. Especially to the queen.
Agreed, but that’s only cause it works. If it’s not broke don’t fix it.
Remember when Blizzcon was the only thing that mattered? Shame on Blizzard.
Clemente....the G.O.A.T.!!!!!!
Not at all.
@evelic accept the reality....
@@janiryagum1194 greatest widow mine abuser of all time.
GOA 2024 and GOAT Slayer, yes but still not GOAT (i hope he will be in the future and i think he can.)
To all Serral fanboys crying babies......just stop with all your illusions!!!!!!!
Sc2 has never been as boring as it is now and even a long time viewer like me is finding the games completely pointless to watch, and as for HSC, have they ever had as bad viewership as this year? Doesn't surprise me if that's the case...
I stopped watching SC2 because of the balance.
@@jardy3597 I still watch but I skip uninteresting matches, viewer time probably down below 50% compared to when the state of the game isn't as flat out silly.
Personally I love TvZ (my favorite matchup) and I love seeing Clem (who pushes tvz to a level never reached before him) play especially vs Serral so I'm not hard to please I guess.
On the other hand I wonder out of pure and sincere curiosity, what do you not like here (no judgment, sincere question)?
Whether it's micro/macro or just level of play, late 2023-2024 has shown us a level of play that makes some world championship finals look like matches between gold players. So I'm open-minded but I wonder what you don't like here.
Spire.. corruptor.. 5 can help, but puts you at a mineral deficit... for ground... in the early.. the maps favor drops... Terran has extremely cheap drops... so every map with zones where people can't be hit from land to air attack... hmm. Maybe offset Grey zones, but where those zones go.. it gives plus 3 to Terran and protoss flying.
Serral only wins if Clem makes a mistake
Clem is just too aggressive for serral! If clem gives serral a breather then he would just capitalize on it. Only way to beat serral is massive aggression from early to late games
sure is fun how if zerg loses 1 fight the game is over but has to win 10 fights in a row to have a chance to win, hopefully the wannabe 'pro' terrans making these decisions get what they want and can finally beat that one 6k guy that clowned on them on ladder for years
@@silverpro8356 it's nothing to do with blizzard anymore, the balance council is made up of players not blizzard employees, which is the main problem since most of the noise is made by terrans and they of course want their race to be op. give me david kim blizzard balance anyday
"sure is fun how if zerg loses 1 fight the game is over but has to win 10 fights in a row to have a chance to win"
You meant "Terran" didn't you or are you trolling...
It is precisely the great strength of the zergs to be able to lose 13 fights, to have lost 10,000 more resources and still have a good chance of winning. I bring you back to Atlanta at the end of 2023 in the game where Serral literally loses every fight and still remains 1 fungal well placed to win. So at one point, the whining...
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A 22yr old French boy made $500k this year playing a game, what did you do?
"playing a game" sounds oversimplified but yeah most of us couldn't do what he does.
SPOILER ALERT
Long time spectator, never a player.
So I know Terran is considered op right now but........how is it fair that zerg was able to win game 3?
If the situation were reversed, and the Terran lost 9 workers in the early game, the game would have shifted very rapidly into a zerg favored game; either zerg gains instant map control and balloons in supply and bases or zerg aggression just overwhelms the behind terran.
Why is it fair that when the zerg gets hit in the early game like that they still have the space to macro out and give themselves a fighting chance in that situation?
I wouldn't say ZvT is super terran favoured, it's relatively well balanced just super lategame has been very Terran favoured for Clem lately, and Clem is so good at TvZ at all stages that he's making the matchup look unfair because he's just so good.
Those worker kills were huge, but keep in mind 9 vs zerg isn't as big as 9 vs Terran due to zerg's ability to mass workers quicker than Terran.
I think Clem's key mistake was pushing on the 4th base a bit too late and blinding cloud having time to finish. at 45:05 you see him also Attack moves his marines inside a blinding cloud, so they run INTO the banelings which is a big mistake (I missed what happened there live, thought he ran out of stim or something because I was confused how the banes connected on his marines).
I think there might also have been some more fungals later on that he got caught by when he probably could have turtled/played a bit slower and been more careful with scans/forward turrets/raven to not get caught by that
go away comments that I can barely see at the bottom of the screen and might spoil the outcome
If I was Clem, I'd sue Pig for sexual harassment at this point. - And I am only 11 minutes into the video.
then perhaps you should go to a more child friendly community if you are so easily offended? PiG's rude jokes are pg13 at worst these days
@@verdibyrd brother I was talking about his fanboying.
@@m.h.2855 ah well, clem knows what pig is about and he aint saying no
Serral usually lost vs clem
serral (and zerg) have been such a cancer to this game
Dark, Reynor, Serral wins everything for years. Zerg babies: "LOL (insert zerg player) is so good, he is the GOAT". Clem becomes WC: "OMFG NERF TERRAN.". How more insulting are you going to get towards Clem just because you want to rally up the community for your favorite race?
Zerg is my favorite race and I feel so bad for the way people downplays Protos and Terran wins... I mean... Serral loses to Clem here not the Zerg loses to the Terran... And was so f****** close.
If it was other Terran, Serral would win 90% of the time. It is also a matter of player styles... Clem seems to struggle even more with other players like Rogue, Reynor and Dark. You can see, for example, that nydus worms makes Clem way more uneasy in this games with Serral... I wonder if Serral will going to use mass overseers some time...
SC 2 balance discussion is basically politics at this point.
You realise that every caster, pro player and even the subreddit agrees that Terran is favored and overbalanced at this point?
u need to nerf an entire race just cuz 1 or 2 zergs are above the rest. while when u look at the entire ladder zerg is getting their ass handed to them.
I mean, there has been several nerfs targeting serral over the years :D the balance council must be happy now. Hope is he can find a workaround soon enough
Clem!!!!!!!
Saved myself an hour to confirm the predictable outcome. I don’t even need to say it. You all know which race won.
You act like serial hasn’t been winning every goddamn thing for 5 years up until juuuust recently. Wah
@@coldfate1 It's not just about Serral. It's about every player that isn't playing Terran.
@@coldfate1 didn't we just have a second terran world champion in a row? not so sure serral has been winning 'everything' tbh
@@coldfate1Because Serral's wins are using Zerg to its maximum ability with variety of units to win with. Terran? MMM balls, a buncha medivacs, some tanks and a bunch of ghosts. Always. Name a Terran that won with mech build on a tourney.... oh wait, you can't, because mech is a joke in SC2.
@@coldfate1 And they've been nerfing Serral over and over during those years because people wouldn't stop complaining about him winning. Zerg has gotten way more frustrating to play for me as a result. Maybe it's time to start crying about Terran now. After all, T is the reason why Protoss players cannot win tournaments, not Z. So let's nerf it to shit and problem solved. :D
Clem is destroying the game, watching a guy run with a knife after a guy with a gun is just frustrating. Balance the game it's not fun watching anymore
Meh, no wonder SC2 flopped so hard even in SoKor. Hell, Broodwar doesn't even receive any balance changes yet the meta constatly shifts because the top players consistently find new ways to play out their races depending on the matchups, even mirror matchups are crazy to watch.
That and 4-player maps with fog of war helps a lot with match diversity rather the boring 2-player maps where you can see the damn place (not in vision anyway) and where the opposing player's base is.
To be blunt, the medivac is really a mistake of a unit to exist. Z can't really take it out early game because their only source of AA is the queen and its pinprick needles lol and they made hydras a lair-tech unit for god knows why (not likw hydra busts even exist in SC2 anyways, and even if they did the "balance council" handily gave T a band-aid to that with the supply drop spell)
brood war is old, slow, janky and bad to play or watch, thats why it has 20 twitch viewers + artosis chat
It is honestly kind of boring watching SC2 lately. Tournaments have been heavily terran filled. People complain that zerg is number one and still winning tournament, but it like Serral, Dark, and Reynor omg only the best of the best zerg players made it through so zerg imba. It almost always majority terran and a few a zerg. We will be lucky to see protoss make it pass the round robin if they aren't faced with mostly terran. I am a Serral Fan through and through, but the balance updates shafting protoss over and over again in the PvT match up is like what balance? You argue that they shouldn't balance the game around the pro level, but they do. I find it laughable and down right egregious when they argue that can't buff toss because of ladder, but nerf zerg because Serral is too good. You are lying to yourself if you really think they nerfed infestor burrowed vision because of ladder play.
and dark is retiring soon and reynor has understandably given up on sc2 and plays LoL now, soon it will be 15 terrans + serral in every last 16
its not serral sucks
it's really how terran is op and imbalanced
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Clem wins 7:0
Zerg late game no strong units option. Now got worse Vs Protoss. More drones used for spore defense in early game = lower eco in mid game
Balance Council, clown shoes. A joke. Terrancraft garbage. Boring. SC2 dead
Even Clem feel bad for using ghost just to win the game...sc2 are dying cos of biases dev put on it
Patch terran
If terran is so op, why aren't all of the top 5 or 10 players in the world all terran???
we just had like the 5th tournament in a row with 6/8 of the last 8 being terran
@verdibyrd still doesn't answer my question
@@tiberiusx22 i think i did.
Lol.if you keep killing serral drones...he will lose.he have no timing attack skill...or early attacks...he only have coward strategy call farming and until late games.i dunno who said he is goat🤣🤣🤣clem is much more stronger than serral
The only reason Clem is so great is because he reliably picks up his drogs, with other words, if you reach clems lever, you have such abuseable and non-counterable mechanics at hand that the game literally turn into a pop and trean just peels all day long. Fun for terrans I guess but it's sh*t to watch.
its called playing zerg, you are a punchbag for terran until lategame, where ghosts come out and end the game with ease gg go next
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