Zach would a selectable ratchet mechanism option be possible to aid in climbing inclines? I’m thinking calling it “Sport Mode” 😉 Like some crocodile plastic footware
@@NewMobilityMediaone thing i want to point out.. jerryrigeverything is not usually known for diy.. its known for giving every smartphone a nightmare..
@@JWill6969Is this covered partially by insurance? Also this just reminded me, I used to volunteer at food pantries and we'd constantly have so many wheelchairs that would get donated to us faster than we could give them out (this is an overall problem with food banks and resources like this, surprisingly we constantly have a surplus of items that we just can't get rid of faster than we're getting the donations, and storage is always an issue - it felt so weird telling donators we couldn't take their stuff simply because we just didn't have room... warehouses and industrial freezers filled with stuff.)
@@zants_ I'm sure it depends on individual scenarios. If you have a lot of time on your hands and can make dredging through bureaucracy a full time job, you can probably get most insurance providers to pay. But I'm sure they make that process hard enough where they know some people will just give up and pay out themselves.
@@zants_ there's text on screen @ 6:42 that states the company is "selling direct to consumers, outside of the insurance model." so I doubt it unless you have a really nice policy that will reimburse you after the fact
Basically medical niche-ness/ markup of having to get fda and other medical certifications. This is why this "not a wheelchair". It keeps the cost low because it doesn't need to get certified, because medical certifications are a scam for the most part. Also it's made by a nonprofit so they're essentially selling it at cost instead of 300% markup
More than likely economies of scale come into play. The market for wheelchairs will be a fraction that of bicycles so production prices will be higher.
Something needs to be done about prices in the US medical sector being artificially driven up by the private health insurance industry. Thank you for helping to make these necessary devices more affordable Zach. It seems ridiculous to me that a bicycle, which uses a similar amount and type of materials (and is arguably more complex in its mechanics) can cost a few hundred dollars in the US, but most wheelchairs cost several thousand.
As someone not in a wheelchair it's very interesting and informative hearing the personal likes & dislikes of Zack & Cambry's product from someone who is the target demographic. Great video!
I think I see my next chair. I was given a crappy Hospital Chair after my injury and I have used it for the last year. Lafe has been a nightmare in this chair. won't be sad to see it go and have a good chair that is made for me
I have worked on a wheelchair design off and on for years and really appreciate the solutions the inventor has designed into this chair. It's brilliant!
After having to fight with insurance just to get a basic wheelchair that didn't fit, then to save up to get a custom chair, only to have that stolen and now my insurance is dragging its feet on replacing it. I can easily save up and get one of these and be mobile again. In America, it totally sucks for wheelchair users to find good quality and affordable chairs to make life a little easier. I am getting one of these chairs.
@@brycedunlap yeah but I was thinking those are specific brands with carbon frames, hydraulic brakes and shifters and carbon wheels and most have some sort of motorized assist. the average bike for a beginner or someone who isn't into trail riding or racing is around $500 and most fall below that price. I was just surprised by the price of some of the basic chairs coming from bigger manufacturers. kinda like Giant or Schwinn charging 2k for their Walmart line if bikes.
VERY detailed review - i have a good friend who has been looking for one. Inexpensive and light, maybe not perfect but im gonna send her this video. Thank you
This dude deserves all the likes he can get, I can only imagine the PIA! That making this video on his own was... With camera placing make sure angles were right going up and down those hills... Jesus! I'm already tired.
@@odeode4338 a anti tip wheel is a small wheel that is placed at the back of the wheelchair and it usualy is placed a little bit of the ground. The wheel is there to help you not fall backwards. Without a anti tip wheel the wheelchair can fall backwards
@@RenzeLamers oh I see. Thanks for explaining this to me. Indeed a useful thing to have. I hope the offer this in the near future for people who want that.
Yeah I always thought that wheelchairs were way over priced I know I can’t live without one, but I just never saw them costing 6-15k for push chairs and up to 45k for electric chairs then they sell used like new for 1500 bucks and 300 bucks for pushing chairs..even the expensive chair companies claimed not to be making money so lol !!!! Even at a grand you can make plenty of cash if you sell a lot and are able to produce them yourself or over seas.. With a decent jig you can bend and weld the frames very easily! But it’s the insurance BS that jacks the price up too..plus the cost I’ve heard of government testing but not sure about that being true because it’s not like your crashing a new car at speed !!!
@@3nertia oh it’s possible. But based on what you said, it isn’t valid in this case. Just the information in this video alone is enough to make your comment seem completely uneducated on the subject.
Can you add bars to push it? I can push a manual wheelchair for a short time and have mom,dad or siblings push me in my wheelchair when I get to tired.
I had the same question and I found some removable push handles from somewhere else online that look like they could clamp right onto those backrest tubes
Very neat. Given the price of bicycles and the amount of material they use, it seems possible to make a wheelchair for $500 and still be sustainable, yeah? Glad to see fhe needle is moving in the right direction
In Germany I found wheelchairs starting at 100€. When prescribed health insurance covers the full price but 10€. I don't know how fancy the prescribed wheelchair model will be though.
Those 100 euro things are terrible junk. Luckily in most Western countries there will be some way in which a government entity will pay (most of the) price of a decent wheelchair. This chair will greatly help those in countries where the government tells you you are SOL and are basically on your own when you need to finance a wheelchair, like the USA.
In Brasil you can get a GREAT wheelchair for 400 dollars. There's something so strange when dealing with anything "health" relate in America...Prices are insane.
You can’t compare that exactly. Both countries have different cost of living which impacts prices. Trust me, I live in Switzerland and pay for everything thing much more than other countries. Just because cost of labour, warehouse, store etc is higher. And of course because companies like to milk us for profit. But it’s not just that.
@odeode4338 no amount of justification. It's just pure greed and taking advantage of those in need. I'm American, so I can definitely say that with fact. Other products get manufactured and stored and priced accordingly, but as soon as you throw in the term medical everything gets hiked up without a quality improvement
Holly shit impressive website… idk if they’ll ever be profitable enough if they keep spending like that. It’s one thing to do have goodwill but it also needs to be sustainable so it can be brought to more people. I hope it is… as I have no way of knowing but it is inspiring.
Jerry does this out of compassion and has no interest of ever making the brand profitable. they are given out at cost and he often sells collectors coins which help further reduce prices.
True, in part the price is driven up because of the liability connected to selling medical devices, but the biggest part of the price often indeed seems to be based in greed.
thanks for the review, let me review your review: solid research and valid points. solid camera work and editing. with that said, *the audio absolutely sucks* and if you plan on uploading any more videos then i highly suggest either invest in a mic or voiceover the entire thing while recording in a closed room with good acoustics. view and listen to the video before posting. its truly annoying. thanks again for the review and hope you have a great weekend :)
Can someone explain to me what custom means in this context? Given there’s talk of adjusting it i assume it can’t mean that it’s made to the measure of the user. I have had to buy a few wheelchairs now, though none for long term daily use, and the most expensive models here were around €500 without insurance coverage and in direct supply. Is this just what American life is like or is a custom wheelchair something entirely different?
Was also going to say this. I'm familiar with wheelchair pricing and I don't know how this could be considered "super cheap" but maybe I can be enlightened
I think custom wheelchairs are for more active individuals, so perhaps that's the reason. I suppose you can't customize a 350 dollar wheelchair like this
@@GenesisRTA Custom manual wheelchairs are 3500-6000 for typical models. This is not the same as wheelchairs in the $150 - 300 range. Those are "hospital" wheelchairs - made generally for folks to be pushed by an assistant. They are generally very heavy. Custom manual wheelchairs are aluminum or if you spend a lot of money, titanium to cut down on the weight.
Those wheelchairs are for general use in like hospital settings. They're not for the individual who will be using a custom fit wheelchair every day of their life. It would be an awful experience for them to use one of those generic wheelchairs.
those wheelchairs are not for long term independent use. they are primarily designed to be "transport chairs" and restrict independent mobility and increase risk of repetitive stress injuries, etc. long term users require custom wheelchairs that accommodate healthy biomechanics and unique anatomy, etc. those chairs also are not designed to last and be repaired. they are under HCPCS codes k0001-0004. this wheelchair is not competing with $300 wheelchairs, but with $2000-6000 wheelchairs under HCPCS code k0005.
Is there a reason it does not have armrests? I need armrests for transfers and standing temporarily, so I think I would struggle to use this. But a $1000 wheelchair is absolutely insane
When you realise that they claim to produce the cheapest wheelchairs in America. I literally don't know how people with just average income even survive there
@@alok.01 the answer is that people often don't :/ a lot of people become bankrupt from medical bills and then homeless from becoming disabled, and then they suffer and eventually die unless they get lucky and get into the very small amount of accessible affordable housing (something like 2% of housing in the US is wheelchair accessible, and only some of that is affordable), or get financial help from someone (often moving into abusive relationships to secure housing), or figure out some other way to survive (ex. sex work, selling meds, getting the cheapest possible room in a house of a ton of people and asking around for money to keep affording it or doing whatever work they can manage) ive seen people get creative and use abandoned grocery carts as mobility aids, hack micromobility scooters and add trailers to em, or put pillows on hospital chairs to make them as tolerable as possible but its very very damaging on the body (pressure sores from improper mobility ait fit can be life threatening). i dont have much money myself but ive had to help people i know afford crutches and stuff like that (when they really need a wheelchair but crutches are like $200 vs $2,000 minimum), i have a bit more than enough money for survival and i had to mostly lie in bed for like a year while figuring out getting a wheelchair for myself, which is terrifying bc you lie there knowing if the house caught fire you might just have to like, lie there and die lol it's absolutely violent how the US treats disabled people but that's what you get when you found a country on killing Indigenous people and creating a new government with laws to only benefit rich, white, land-owning straight men who are abled enough to wield power over others. this country was built to be for a specific subset of people and if that's not you, youre getting screwed in some way or another
The cheapest bottom end rigid wheelchair i could get was a little over double this and that is with no "add ons" like lighter wheels, scissor brakes, and rigid backrest that come as standard on this chair.
@@pauljakeman kinda. If you meet insurance qualifications for a wheelchair, you may get all/most paid for. But one every 5 years, and you get what they give you. Often you're responsible for 10-20% of the cost. And that's IF insurance covers it at all - mine won't bc my home isn't accessible.
What do you mean it’s an odd name, they are technically legs… and if it was a medical device they would tax you to infinity… so the name makes perfect sense…🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Yeah it's not that this wheelchair is cheap it's just that most other wheelchairs are ridiculously expensive. Take medical device out of it and $1,000 is just about what I would expect something like that to cost food
Well as you can see this is united states, famous for their health care system. Everything is expensive there. And I was not surprised to know that this market in USA is really lucrative and a 999$ is considered cheap there
Production costs, salary and taxes and so on. USA is the biggest economy, and you as a customer of this economy - pay for all expenses, which are high whether you like it or not. Move the facility somewhere with cheap labour, and smaller economy with smaller taxes - here you have it, 160 base price.
What I hate is no one makes these chairs for the big boys,I used to be fine with a 17x18, then a 20x21, but now I’ve been bed ridden for 6 yrs and I’m just now again training to get around while weighing almost 400lbs ,and I’d love to see a 24x24 or larger light weight chair be made, as it’s not that hard to just increase the size of everything by 2-5 inches because tires and the spindles won’t change just the basic frame so why is it just such a huge deal to make a lighter weight big chair if they can make bigger heavy weight chairs for us fat legged dudes :) pls 😂
Probably a folding wheelchair meant for a caregiver to push, not a self propelled (hands on the wheels) wheelchair for someone who is in it and using it every day, all day.
This is incorrect. Hospital style wheelchairs in the uk cost £150. This is an active wheelchair, whose base price start at around £2500 and you can expect to pay a total of around £5000 if you’re stingey with your choices
Those crappy hospital chairs are basically free, to point where thrift stores can’t take them cause all they do is use up space. If you use one of those all day for weeks you will get potentially lethal sores and damage whatever might work of your legs.
Although i am glad they can make wheelchairs fast and cheaper but you know some how, some way the health insurance is going to find some way of messing this up for them. I hope not, But they will. Because this is going to cut into their profits big time. I've seen wheelchairs here lately costing from $1,700 to $6,700 dollars. And some guy's video here on youtube said his chair cost $10,400 and his chair was a lite weight wheelchair. None electric too!! Even in his video he said it was hard to believe a wheelchair could cost that much. But i will say this to the people at Notawheelchair company. When you make your wheelchairs keep in mind the heavy users that is going to want one of your chairs. 300 lbs + (maybe). Because i was looking for a wheelchair not to long ago and even though i don't weigh 300 lbs praise the Lord but i only seen 3 chairs on the market that goes up that high far as weight limits go. Quickie doesn't even have a model that can support that much weight. If they do they just made one. Anyway, please keep that in mind guys. Also, keep this in mind guys, The more features you ask for the higher its going to make your wheelchair cost. I don't care who you order it from. The guy in the video must have ordered the basic of the basic to have his wheelchair cost $1,000 or less. If you order a feature or 2, you will be looking at a wheelchair that will run you around $1,400 ish.
Its sad people have to pay 1000s of dollars for this i say this because a bicycle at Walmart is 100 dollars same concept same amount of materials used yet higher prices for handicap to get around ❤
A walmart bike is heavy and the materials would never hold up wo all-day every-day use like a wheelchair for something like this needs. A wheelchair for someone bascically living in one has to last better, be lightweight, and have a range of adjustment. I guarantee that wheelchair in the video is half the weight of that walmart bike.
As a Norwegian (growing up with a grandfather with an amputated leg in the 1970s (wars, you understand) and with a friend who broke her back in a hang gliding accident another friend who went driving as a kid, another friend born with ME etc.) I honestly thought this was a parody. America is now pushing "cheap wheelchairs" as a "for-profit idea" on the internet. The gulf of stupidity is "palatable". "for profit"
WTH, $999 for a wheelchair, isn't that expensive for a thing which doesn't have many sophisticated tech or much moving parts. I can literally buy a bike at that price here in India. Am I missing something or saying anything wrong?
Tech is mostly wires and chips if you think about it. It’s more crazy how we can allow tech to be overpriced and not question it. I’m thinking of car screens and lights.
I shit you not. I can probably get the same-spec wheelchair in my country for 250€. And they want 1K from it? I enjoy watching JRE but the price is abit steep for any wheelchair consumer. 1k for some aluminium-based 1 seater? If it was fully carbon then i would understand.
@@N.n.i.k Ah, the irony! Carbon fiber is basically dirt cheap nowadays and "Kevlar" is a brand name that is replicated by many other companies these days lmfao Tell me you've never tried to price a prototype without actually having to tell me ... 🙃
OK, I am fully mobile, so maybe I don't get it, but can't understand how $1000 for a wheel chair is considered "cheap", for that amount of money you can buy a very good bicycle and a bicycle is a LOT more complex than a wheelchair, lots more parts, more intricate parts, a wheel chair is just some bent metal tubing with maybe a few scissor type folding joints and 2 wheels attached, HTF can they be so damn expensive?? Talk about getting royally screwed.
No you can get a cheap noname bicycle that's marketed as very good for cheap but with levels of QC accounted for the price per frame is about identical. Push wheelchairs like these are held to a much higher standard in the same ballpark as high performance road bike or mountain bike frames because in all 3 cases they cannot afford for a split resulting in a fastener pulling out or a shear at a weld point. When you add the bearings, wheels, tires, casters, seat and seatback hardware you're typically in the $1500-$5000 range depending on how exotic your frame material and design is. Much the same as when you add a seat, forks, gear casettes, cranks, handlebars, brake hardware, and the derailer to that $500-$1500 bike frame. Your idea of a wheelchair is what most people's is, a hospital chair that's designed to fit a wide assortment of patients, and be primarily pushed by an attendant or caregiver. Those are cheap, heavy, flimsy in dynamic conditions and a nightmare to try to get around in solo. Trying to live in one of those fulltime is akin to hiking through scree in gas station flipflops. Sure it's better than nothing but after about 10 minutes you'll be much more open to any alternative even if it's much more expensive in the moment. Mine was around $1800 when I bought it 20 years ago and it's still serving its purpose. When you prorate the cost across the duration of use it's probably less than you spend on shoes a year. I'd say that's a reasonable investment in my safety and mobility.
1. GoPro audio? Makes it hard to watch. 2. What about the wheelchairs Walmart sells for 150-300 dollars? (My neighbor uses one and he says it's fine.) I honestly have no idea.
The cheap wheelchairs are mostly OK to wheel your granny around the zoo in but not great if you need to use one all day every day on your own. It's really difficult to say something general about the wheelchair needs of people as those are highly individual, but a good wheelchair generally has a huge impact on the abilities of people.
Thanks for coming by! It was awesome meeting you!
W Jerry! Lots of blessings to you and your family 🙏
Great to meet you as well! Love the chair and what you all are trying to do!
Thanks for having us!
Zach would a selectable ratchet mechanism option be possible to aid in climbing inclines? I’m thinking calling it “Sport Mode” 😉
Like some crocodile plastic footware
@@NewMobilityMediaone thing i want to point out.. jerryrigeverything is not usually known for diy.. its known for giving every smartphone a nightmare..
>$1k wheelchair
>Cheap for a wheelchair
Hell...
Your average regular wheelchair is like 5k. A custom wheelchair made specifically for the user is well above that.
@@JWill6969Is this covered partially by insurance?
Also this just reminded me, I used to volunteer at food pantries and we'd constantly have so many wheelchairs that would get donated to us faster than we could give them out (this is an overall problem with food banks and resources like this, surprisingly we constantly have a surplus of items that we just can't get rid of faster than we're getting the donations, and storage is always an issue - it felt so weird telling donators we couldn't take their stuff simply because we just didn't have room... warehouses and industrial freezers filled with stuff.)
@@zants_ I would assume so but idk.
@@zants_ I'm sure it depends on individual scenarios. If you have a lot of time on your hands and can make dredging through bureaucracy a full time job, you can probably get most insurance providers to pay. But I'm sure they make that process hard enough where they know some people will just give up and pay out themselves.
@@zants_ there's text on screen @ 6:42 that states the company is "selling direct to consumers, outside of the insurance model." so I doubt it unless you have a really nice policy that will reimburse you after the fact
I still don't understand how a bike with complex suspensions and gears can be half the price of a wheelchair with a seat and 2 wheels?
Different use cases calls for different structures of the materials. Bikes don't have people sitting in them for majority of the day for one
Basically medical niche-ness/ markup of having to get fda and other medical certifications. This is why this "not a wheelchair". It keeps the cost low because it doesn't need to get certified, because medical certifications are a scam for the most part. Also it's made by a nonprofit so they're essentially selling it at cost instead of 300% markup
@@ru2225yes... Yes they do. It's called a bike ride. And they can last many hours, sometimes weeks of doing a tour.
So that. Makes no sense
@@RyanShielscool now transfer from a bike to a toilet without touching the ground or getting stuck in a door. I'll wait.
More than likely economies of scale come into play. The market for wheelchairs will be a fraction that of bicycles so production prices will be higher.
I thought to myself "why is Tony Hawk in a wheelchair?!" for a good 20 seconds there
Now I can't unsee it..
@@geogmz8277 Me neither 🤣🤣
Lmfao
I mean, the only cartilage Tony has left in his body is in his nose.
With how much that last 900 took out of him, I bet if he tried again Tony Hawk _would_ end up in a wheelchair.
Something needs to be done about prices in the US medical sector being artificially driven up by the private health insurance industry.
Thank you for helping to make these necessary devices more affordable Zach.
It seems ridiculous to me that a bicycle, which uses a similar amount and type of materials (and is arguably more complex in its mechanics) can cost a few hundred dollars in the US, but most wheelchairs cost several thousand.
I mean you could just elect a person who implements universal healthcare
I mean you could just elect a person who implements universal healthcare
Welcome to capitalism ...
@@TheUA-camUser69 "If voting worked, they wouldn't let us do it" - Mark Twain
The 200% tax rate on mobility equipment certainly isn't helping
Im here because im interested in the quality of zacks products. Jerryrig brought me here
As someone not in a wheelchair it's very interesting and informative hearing the personal likes & dislikes of Zack & Cambry's product from someone who is the target demographic. Great video!
I think I see my next chair. I was given a crappy Hospital Chair after my injury and I have used it for the last year. Lafe has been a nightmare in this chair. won't be sad to see it go and have a good chair that is made for me
same!
I have worked on a wheelchair design off and on for years and really appreciate the solutions the inventor has designed into this chair. It's brilliant!
After having to fight with insurance just to get a basic wheelchair that didn't fit, then to save up to get a custom chair, only to have that stolen and now my insurance is dragging its feet on replacing it. I can easily save up and get one of these and be mobile again. In America, it totally sucks for wheelchair users to find good quality and affordable chairs to make life a little easier. I am getting one of these chairs.
stealing a wheelchair... how can ppl be so evil at time ?
thats crazy. i would not have guessed how expensive wheelchairs are . i assumed no more than the average bicycle.
Accessibility is a lucrative market, unfortunately.
Decent bikes are thousands of dollars these days.
@@brycedunlap But those have more components right? Gears, disk brakes, shock absorbers etc
@@brycedunlap yeah but I was thinking those are specific brands with carbon frames, hydraulic brakes and shifters and carbon wheels and most have some sort of motorized assist. the average bike for a beginner or someone who isn't into trail riding or racing is around $500 and most fall below that price.
I was just surprised by the price of some of the basic chairs coming from bigger manufacturers. kinda like Giant or Schwinn charging 2k for their Walmart line if bikes.
Average bicycle cost more lol
VERY detailed review - i have a good friend who has been looking for one. Inexpensive and light, maybe not perfect but im gonna send her this video. Thank you
This dude deserves all the likes he can get, I can only imagine the PIA! That making this video on his own was... With camera placing make sure angles were right going up and down those hills... Jesus! I'm already tired.
True😂😂
amazing facility, he let me check it out earlier this year, awesome dude, and I'm glad they are holding up to thier durability
The only thing I see missing for me is an anti-tip option. I frequently slap on a heavy backpack and need anti tip so I don't pitch backwards.
How do they work? Sorry if this is a dumb question I don’t use a wheelchair but Zach‘s channel raised interest in the topic for me.
@@odeode4338they usually work like a wheelie bar on a drag car
@@odeode4338 a anti tip wheel is a small wheel that is placed at the back of the wheelchair and it usualy is placed a little bit of the ground. The wheel is there to help you not fall backwards. Without a anti tip wheel the wheelchair can fall backwards
@@RenzeLamers oh I see. Thanks for explaining this to me. Indeed a useful thing to have. I hope the offer this in the near future for people who want that.
My friend has a Not a Wheelchair chair and one of the biggest issues is how easily it tips
Yeah I always thought that wheelchairs were way over priced I know I can’t live without one, but I just never saw them costing 6-15k for push chairs and up to 45k for electric chairs then they sell used like new for 1500 bucks and 300 bucks for pushing chairs..even the expensive chair companies claimed not to be making money so lol !!!! Even at a grand you can make plenty of cash if you sell a lot and are able to produce them yourself or over seas..
With a decent jig you can bend and weld the frames very easily! But it’s the insurance BS that jacks the price up too..plus the cost I’ve heard of government testing but not sure about that being true because it’s not like your crashing a new car at speed !!!
Welcome to capitalism! Profits over People!
This is huge, excellent review!
Why did you send me this UA-cam? What do you know?!!
Of course I’m a fan of Zack’s. Good to see he’s doing right by the community he’s trying to help.
Yes, a thousand dollar wheelchair is definitely "helping" people who live on a limited [fixed] income :/
@@3nertia i get the feeling you’re not a wheelchair user.
@@AverageThinking Yes, because I couldn't possibly have a valid view otherwise ...
@@3nertia oh it’s possible. But based on what you said, it isn’t valid in this case. Just the information in this video alone is enough to make your comment seem completely uneducated on the subject.
@@AverageThinking Ah, the irony ...
2:15 Bender Rodriguez's great great great grandfather 😅
😂 yeah 👍
Fr 😂
Awesome work you're doing man
Can you add bars to push it? I can push a manual wheelchair for a short time and have mom,dad or siblings push me in my wheelchair when I get to tired.
no, it's a self propeller for active folk
I had the same question and I found some removable push handles from somewhere else online that look like they could clamp right onto those backrest tubes
Very neat. Given the price of bicycles and the amount of material they use, it seems possible to make a wheelchair for $500 and still be sustainable, yeah? Glad to see fhe needle is moving in the right direction
Thanks for the video! It was very interesting.
In Germany I found wheelchairs starting at 100€.
When prescribed health insurance covers the full price but 10€. I don't know how fancy the prescribed wheelchair model will be though.
Those 100 euro things are terrible junk. Luckily in most Western countries there will be some way in which a government entity will pay (most of the) price of a decent wheelchair.
This chair will greatly help those in countries where the government tells you you are SOL and are basically on your own when you need to finance a wheelchair, like the USA.
Excellent video but the audio gave me some difficulties at times.
Phenomenal video.
Let me know where I can ship you a decent mic.
In Brasil you can get a GREAT wheelchair for 400 dollars. There's something so strange when dealing with anything "health" relate in America...Prices are insane.
$400 is still a lot of money but at least that's cheaper than a decent office chair I guess heh
You can’t compare that exactly. Both countries have different cost of living which impacts prices. Trust me, I live in Switzerland and pay for everything thing much more than other countries. Just because cost of labour, warehouse, store etc is higher. And of course because companies like to milk us for profit. But it’s not just that.
@@odeode4338 I know it's not one to one. But the gap is just too damn large.
@@MeniscoManeiro you can’t say that without looking at the overall picture.
@odeode4338 no amount of justification. It's just pure greed and taking advantage of those in need. I'm American, so I can definitely say that with fact. Other products get manufactured and stored and priced accordingly, but as soon as you throw in the term medical everything gets hiked up without a quality improvement
Holly shit impressive website… idk if they’ll ever be profitable enough if they keep spending like that. It’s one thing to do have goodwill but it also needs to be sustainable so it can be brought to more people. I hope it is… as I have no way of knowing but it is inspiring.
Jerry does this out of compassion and has no interest of ever making the brand profitable. they are given out at cost and he often sells collectors coins which help further reduce prices.
If i ever need a wheel chair ill be sure to check this out
Have you tried out a Motion Composites Apex by chance that you could compare this to?
I guess being wheelchair dependent in the US is just way to expensive. RIP to yall across the pond
Nice review, and from a Quad too!
Great review
That’s CHEAP? Goodness that is unbelievable
Everything medical just gets an insane markup it seems
True, in part the price is driven up because of the liability connected to selling medical devices, but the biggest part of the price often indeed seems to be based in greed.
@@FoobarDesign Welcome to capitalism - profits over people! Heh
$1000 for a decent manual wheelchair is pretty Awesome.. I mean I have 2 chairs, one by Invacare and one by TiLite each chair was $6k+!
I want one ❤❤❤
🤘🤘
This looks nice. I wish we could get something like this that is super light weight for a lady to lift for her husband.
thanks for the review,
let me review your review:
solid research and valid points.
solid camera work and editing.
with that said, *the audio absolutely sucks* and if you plan on uploading any more videos then i highly suggest either invest in a mic or voiceover the entire thing while recording in a closed room with good acoustics. view and listen to the video before posting. its truly annoying.
thanks again for the review and hope you have a great weekend :)
Can someone explain to me what custom means in this context? Given there’s talk of adjusting it i assume it can’t mean that it’s made to the measure of the user.
I have had to buy a few wheelchairs now, though none for long term daily use, and the most expensive models here were around €500 without insurance coverage and in direct supply.
Is this just what American life is like or is a custom wheelchair something entirely different?
As someone who doesn't use a wheelchair, what sets this apart from many of the wheelchairs for sale in the $150-300 range?
Was also going to say this. I'm familiar with wheelchair pricing and I don't know how this could be considered "super cheap" but maybe I can be enlightened
I think custom wheelchairs are for more active individuals, so perhaps that's the reason. I suppose you can't customize a 350 dollar wheelchair like this
@@GenesisRTA Custom manual wheelchairs are 3500-6000 for typical models. This is not the same as wheelchairs in the $150 - 300 range. Those are "hospital" wheelchairs - made generally for folks to be pushed by an assistant. They are generally very heavy. Custom manual wheelchairs are aluminum or if you spend a lot of money, titanium to cut down on the weight.
Those wheelchairs are for general use in like hospital settings. They're not for the individual who will be using a custom fit wheelchair every day of their life. It would be an awful experience for them to use one of those generic wheelchairs.
those wheelchairs are not for long term independent use. they are primarily designed to be "transport chairs" and restrict independent mobility and increase risk of repetitive stress injuries, etc. long term users require custom wheelchairs that accommodate healthy biomechanics and unique anatomy, etc. those chairs also are not designed to last and be repaired. they are under HCPCS codes k0001-0004. this wheelchair is not competing with $300 wheelchairs, but with $2000-6000 wheelchairs under HCPCS code k0005.
How much does this chair weigh??
Now he's gotta get back up that hill to get the camera at the end😅
Is there a reason it does not have armrests? I need armrests for transfers and standing temporarily, so I think I would struggle to use this. But a $1000 wheelchair is absolutely insane
When you realise that they claim to produce the cheapest wheelchairs in America. I literally don't know how people with just average income even survive there
@@alok.01 the answer is that people often don't :/
a lot of people become bankrupt from medical bills and then homeless from becoming disabled, and then they suffer and eventually die unless they get lucky and get into the very small amount of accessible affordable housing (something like 2% of housing in the US is wheelchair accessible, and only some of that is affordable), or get financial help from someone (often moving into abusive relationships to secure housing), or figure out some other way to survive (ex. sex work, selling meds, getting the cheapest possible room in a house of a ton of people and asking around for money to keep affording it or doing whatever work they can manage)
ive seen people get creative and use abandoned grocery carts as mobility aids, hack micromobility scooters and add trailers to em, or put pillows on hospital chairs to make them as tolerable as possible but its very very damaging on the body (pressure sores from improper mobility ait fit can be life threatening). i dont have much money myself but ive had to help people i know afford crutches and stuff like that (when they really need a wheelchair but crutches are like $200 vs $2,000 minimum), i have a bit more than enough money for survival and i had to mostly lie in bed for like a year while figuring out getting a wheelchair for myself, which is terrifying bc you lie there knowing if the house caught fire you might just have to like, lie there and die lol
it's absolutely violent how the US treats disabled people but that's what you get when you found a country on killing Indigenous people and creating a new government with laws to only benefit rich, white, land-owning straight men who are abled enough to wield power over others. this country was built to be for a specific subset of people and if that's not you, youre getting screwed in some way or another
@@alok.01 "Survive" is all most people can do heh
That’s cheap for a wheelchair!. Wow how much do they usually cost over there? Sounds like they are way more expensive than in the U.K
The cheapest bottom end rigid wheelchair i could get was a little over double this and that is with no "add ons" like lighter wheels, scissor brakes, and rigid backrest that come as standard on this chair.
@ there’s something seriously wrong with that. Is there help available for people to get the chairs?
@@pauljakeman kinda. If you meet insurance qualifications for a wheelchair, you may get all/most paid for. But one every 5 years, and you get what they give you. Often you're responsible for 10-20% of the cost. And that's IF insurance covers it at all - mine won't bc my home isn't accessible.
@ that’s awful. I’m really sorry about that 😢
I thought this was Linus for a sec.
excellent weird but the audio is really weird
How is 999 cheap? I always see them left outside at hospitals without any supervision lol....
not good ones that are light and useable. Trump supporters arent known for their cognitive abilitys, huh?
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It's absolutely criminal what current wheelchair companies charge because of health insurance.
How is a wheelchair so expensive? I don't understand it how a bent piece of pipe with wheels is more expensive than a 100cc motorcycle
-weight
-production quantity
-reliability
Dont use a weelchair but very interesting
when youtubers have to do the work of the government
Wheel chairs are not free in the USA? What a nice health care.
As if your taxes aren't inflated to pay for you "free healthcare" - everyone has to pay Big Pharma 😉
That's like a 90% discount off a regular chairs cost
When I first time my wheelchair my casting Wheels came off
😂😂😂 Phone repair? I know who didn't watch any of Zack videos so he doesn't know
4:20 OMG! That made me so scared. What if he fell and broke his back?! He would need double "Not a Wheelchairs".
What do you mean it’s an odd name, they are technically legs… and if it was a medical device they would tax you to infinity… so the name makes perfect sense…🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
looks great $1000 is R18000 in our money, thats 5months rent. lol.
Whats your point?
@@mitchellsteindler That it looks great, $1000 is R18000 in his money, that's 5 months rent for him.
Wheel chairs would be less expensive in your country then since labour is cheaper compared to the US where $1000 is less than average salary per month
@@ayoni02 you'd think that they would be cheaper here hey lol they actually much more expensive, i meant this chair was relatively cheap.
Yeah it's not that this wheelchair is cheap it's just that most other wheelchairs are ridiculously expensive. Take medical device out of it and $1,000 is just about what I would expect something like that to cost food
Laughs in european
(1000 bucks for a wheelchair is not cheap... Like... at all...)
Что за цены такие? Из золота и бриллиантов сделано? 160$ самого начального уровня, на следующий день привезут, доставка 0 руб.
Well as you can see this is united states, famous for their health care system. Everything is expensive there. And I was not surprised to know that this market in USA is really lucrative and a 999$ is considered cheap there
Production costs, salary and taxes and so on. USA is the biggest economy, and you as a customer of this economy - pay for all expenses, which are high whether you like it or not.
Move the facility somewhere with cheap labour, and smaller economy with smaller taxes - here you have it, 160 base price.
What I hate is no one makes these chairs for the big boys,I used to be fine with a 17x18, then a 20x21, but now I’ve been bed ridden for 6 yrs and I’m just now again training to get around while weighing almost 400lbs ,and I’d love to see a 24x24 or larger light weight chair be made, as it’s not that hard to just increase the size of everything by 2-5 inches because tires and the spindles won’t change just the basic frame so why is it just such a huge deal to make a lighter weight big chair if they can make bigger heavy weight chairs for us fat legged dudes :) pls 😂
I don’t know anything about wheelchairs but I see them all the time at goodwill for like $50. Maybe is the wrong kind of wheelchair
Probably a folding wheelchair meant for a caregiver to push, not a self propelled (hands on the wheels) wheelchair for someone who is in it and using it every day, all day.
yeah probably a cheap foldable one. a temporary portable one. not an active one meant for daily use.
Wheelchairs in the UK are average $150. Here’s hoping the US can catch up with our lower medical costs!
This is incorrect. Hospital style wheelchairs in the uk cost £150. This is an active wheelchair, whose base price start at around £2500 and you can expect to pay a total of around £5000 if you’re stingey with your choices
Those crappy hospital chairs are basically free, to point where thrift stores can’t take them cause all they do is use up space. If you use one of those all day for weeks you will get potentially lethal sores and damage whatever might work of your legs.
@@alexphelps7042 yes, you’re right, and not to mention damage your shoulders beyond recovery
As if you don't pay for it in your taxes rofl
for a crappy hospital chair?😂
It has no handles? How can people push you around if there are no handles? 🤔
This isn't a health provider push wheel chair. It's a self mobility for people who are active
Although i am glad they can make wheelchairs fast and cheaper but you know some how, some way the health insurance is going to find some way of messing this up for them. I hope not, But they will. Because this is going to cut into their profits big time. I've seen wheelchairs here lately costing from $1,700 to $6,700 dollars. And some guy's video here on youtube said his chair cost $10,400 and his chair was a lite weight wheelchair. None electric too!! Even in his video he said it was hard to believe a wheelchair could cost that much. But i will say this to the people at Notawheelchair company. When you make your wheelchairs keep in mind the heavy users that is going to want one of your chairs. 300 lbs + (maybe). Because i was looking for a wheelchair not to long ago and even though i don't weigh 300 lbs praise the Lord but i only seen 3 chairs on the market that goes up that high far as weight limits go. Quickie doesn't even have a model that can support that much weight. If they do they just made one. Anyway, please keep that in mind guys. Also, keep this in mind guys, The more features you ask for the higher its going to make your wheelchair cost. I don't care who you order it from. The guy in the video must have ordered the basic of the basic to have his wheelchair cost $1,000 or less. If you order a feature or 2, you will be looking at a wheelchair that will run you around $1,400 ish.
$1000 you can buy it yourself. Fuck the insurance company.
Its sad people have to pay 1000s of dollars for this i say this because a bicycle at Walmart is 100 dollars same concept same amount of materials used yet higher prices for handicap to get around ❤
A walmart bike is heavy and the materials would never hold up wo all-day every-day use like a wheelchair for something like this needs. A wheelchair for someone bascically living in one has to last better, be lightweight, and have a range of adjustment. I guarantee that wheelchair in the video is half the weight of that walmart bike.
handicap💀
As a Norwegian (growing up with a grandfather with an amputated leg in the 1970s (wars, you understand) and with a friend who broke her back in a hang gliding accident another friend who went driving as a kid, another friend born with ME etc.) I honestly thought this was a parody. America is now pushing "cheap wheelchairs" as a "for-profit idea" on the internet. The gulf of stupidity is "palatable". "for profit"
Welcome to capitalism ...
Not really a 1K wheelchair, with everything almost 4K.
$1,000 for a charity wheelchair is an absolute f****** scam
WTH, $999 for a wheelchair, isn't that expensive for a thing which doesn't have many sophisticated tech or much moving parts. I can literally buy a bike at that price here in India. Am I missing something or saying anything wrong?
Tech is mostly wires and chips if you think about it. It’s more crazy how we can allow tech to be overpriced and not question it. I’m thinking of car screens and lights.
yeah, they're extremely expensive. you can get a cheap transporter foldable one, but for everyday use, active people, custom, veryy expensive.
I shit you not. I can probably get the same-spec wheelchair in my country for 250€. And they want 1K from it? I enjoy watching JRE but the price is abit steep for any wheelchair consumer.
1k for some aluminium-based 1 seater? If it was fully carbon then i would understand.
Aluminum costs more than carbon lmao
@@3nertia i guess u dont know how much 1 meter of pure carbon and kevlar cost?
@@N.n.i.k Ah, the irony! Carbon fiber is basically dirt cheap nowadays and "Kevlar" is a brand name that is replicated by many other companies these days lmfao
Tell me you've never tried to price a prototype without actually having to tell me ... 🙃
@@3nertia it's not dirt cheap. it's quite expensive
@@N.n.i.k Thanks for proving that you've never priced it in bulk ...
Economies of scale play a huge role and I don't think you realize that ...
OK, I am fully mobile, so maybe I don't get it, but can't understand how $1000 for a wheel chair is considered "cheap", for that amount of money you can buy a very good bicycle and a bicycle is a LOT more complex than a wheelchair, lots more parts, more intricate parts, a wheel chair is just some bent metal tubing with maybe a few scissor type folding joints and 2 wheels attached, HTF can they be so damn expensive?? Talk about getting royally screwed.
production quantities. Way more people buy bikes compared to wheelchairs.
No you can get a cheap noname bicycle that's marketed as very good for cheap but with levels of QC accounted for the price per frame is about identical. Push wheelchairs like these are held to a much higher standard in the same ballpark as high performance road bike or mountain bike frames because in all 3 cases they cannot afford for a split resulting in a fastener pulling out or a shear at a weld point. When you add the bearings, wheels, tires, casters, seat and seatback hardware you're typically in the $1500-$5000 range depending on how exotic your frame material and design is. Much the same as when you add a seat, forks, gear casettes, cranks, handlebars, brake hardware, and the derailer to that $500-$1500 bike frame.
Your idea of a wheelchair is what most people's is, a hospital chair that's designed to fit a wide assortment of patients, and be primarily pushed by an attendant or caregiver. Those are cheap, heavy, flimsy in dynamic conditions and a nightmare to try to get around in solo. Trying to live in one of those fulltime is akin to hiking through scree in gas station flipflops. Sure it's better than nothing but after about 10 minutes you'll be much more open to any alternative even if it's much more expensive in the moment. Mine was around $1800 when I bought it 20 years ago and it's still serving its purpose. When you prorate the cost across the duration of use it's probably less than you spend on shoes a year. I'd say that's a reasonable investment in my safety and mobility.
1. GoPro audio? Makes it hard to watch.
2. What about the wheelchairs Walmart sells for 150-300 dollars?
(My neighbor uses one and he says it's fine.)
I honestly have no idea.
The cheap wheelchairs are mostly OK to wheel your granny around the zoo in but not great if you need to use one all day every day on your own. It's really difficult to say something general about the wheelchair needs of people as those are highly individual, but a good wheelchair generally has a huge impact on the abilities of people.
He lets his liberal hate dominate his mind but at the core he is a good man and I respect Zack.
Were you in the US & your microphone in Switzerland?