Unsettling Fermi Paradox Solutions: What if Aliens Find Us? | John Michael Godier
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JMG the best astronomy podcaster. I wonder how many times I have listened through his entire output.
John is just the best at space related interviews taking you with him far out in space, with great soundtrack, it's such a treat, thanks John
My JMG drinking game is to take a drink every time a guest says "wow, that's actually a really good question."
These spooky and unsettling fermi episodes are my favorites. Thanks for putting out so much high quality content!
I know what I’m falling asleep to tonight. Thank you, sir. I’m glad you’re in our lives.
Why would aliens find us? There’s so many simulations, we don’t matter
Here here 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Ahh, aliens are going to inevitably kill us all.... So peaceful... 💤
I'm not the only one who puts event horizon on UA-cam and set my phone on my pillow and just listen while I fall asleep? Awesome! Lol
Haha imagine our first message from aliens be "please be quiet, we're trying to do real astronomy here" 🤣
My favorite solution for the Fermi paradox is we barely have the ability to look ok for them. We are really looking for ourselves with imagined future tech based on our understanding of physics. Dyson spheres and the K. Scale are hampering serious science.
Agreed
I think this one falls apart pretty fast when you consider the vast amounts of time that they could have had to explore and alter the universe.
Either they die off very fast, or somehow /move/ elsewhere
I’ve often thought this. As time goes on even here, technologies have been minimizing. Looking for something as huge as a Dyson sphere may be completely ridiculous when you can generate all the electricity you need in the palm of your hand (hand held mobile cold fusion reactors, anyone 😂?)
If their advanced they may be using instantaneous comunications. A different tech we don't even concive of yet. Something he address in the video.
I’ve always thought it was so ridiculous that we look for things we theorize might exist, as if they’re able to create these unimaginable technological masterpieces and they’d be exactly what we pictured them to be
58:37 that's seriously the picture I had imagined in my head listening to your video🤔. just discovered your channel keep up the good work
John can’t wait for your next video
1 hour 48 minutes and 56 seconds of pleasure
Jmg, when one is fried off the super lemon haze your voice is the one they wish to guide them through the darkness
Nice voice John. Thanks.
U dont know his other chanels ?
I was just thinking does anyone come here without watching his other 2
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The Alien signal that we really don't want is " Be Quiet or THEY will hear You!"
That would be the worst ome by far, or, "live it up; they're switching off rhe simulation soon".
Better than nothing!
How about, we have arrested those aliens who molested the hillbillies and put tighter security around your solar system.
Causing a global panic. Meanwhile some alien teenager is getting scolded by his parents for sending troll transmissions to budding civilizations.
@@1190CB Now I'm totally confused! Not the first time :-)
JMG is by far the best creator of astronomy/astrophysics/space exploration/alien life type content for the curious space nerds who are obviously of above average intelligence, but maybe not at the level of an astrophysicist…lol. He shares some very complex topics that have some mind melting physics, but he does it in a way that makes it understandable to everyone, and in a way that makes the concepts make sense by using visual and common examples of everyday things.
His voice is also very soothing and the background music he uses is so relaxing too. I love playing his videos when I am falling asleep because they help me get to sleep much faster and I don’t have bad dreams nearly as often when I am listening to him.
I agree.
Thanks for the content John 😁
Nuclear weapons, nano tech, bio weapons, artificial intelligence, a big enough space rock... the odds are against us.
I needed this today!😀
The Universe is so vast , the distances so immense , that it is impossible to locate and contact another civilization .
John, your videos are always interesting, thanks for this one.
While not really a solution for Fermi's paradox, sorry mate this is an idea I posted in jest on another channel a couple of weeks back as an explanation for the UAP phenomenon. However the more I think about it, it does kinda work here too...
What if the sightings and the entire UAP phenomena are better thought of as the work of 'Galactic Midwives' and planet Earth is actually heavily pregnant with a little bundle of joy we call 'AI', but they call 'Life'. Trinity could be thought of her water breaking. It's a home birth so they've come as soon they got word. They've got Earth's insurance details and they've doing everything within their power to facilitate the most painless labor possible - even making sure as to appear to us in human form or - epidural as it's known to them. We aren't the life, we are the amniotic fluid, we are the nutrients coursing through the opto-electrical umbilical cord, or wires to us. We can't 'see them' in the same way fetuses 'can't see' us..? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this has been a difficult labor so far.
Let's just hope Earth didn't elect to have a C section!?
I will have some of what you're smoking 😂
wtf did i just read
I think they are all around us but our ability to perceive their presence is similar to an ants ability to perceive human presence
Consider the possibility that the Wow Signal might have been a radar "chirp" that accidentally hit the Earth from many light years away.
Probably a lot less than a light year away. We will probably find out soon. Their radar operator accidentally pinged us and was probably thrown out of the airlock.
Your 1st mistake is thinking the aliens are out in space.
This
Oh shut up.
John wow, everyting in one go. Very smart man. Cool. You should be on TV or some kind of extra Nobel price. "Wow"
This is why we should be careful in broadcasting our existence.
I’ve always just thought it was so wild that the government is sooooo secretive about everything they do for “national safety” but will happily be ok with broadcasting our location, our language, our chemical makeup and everything about us to absolutely any entity out there that’s capable of listening and do it while having absolutely not a single clue who or what could be listening what they’re capable of what their intentions are, if they’re aggressive or not 😂
Man id love to share a beer with john
Or a glass of juice. Alcohol is bad, mmmmmm'kay.
@@Kyberpunkkari I don't care for bigoted opinions
My favourite tool I’ve purchased in the past few years are my Astro pneumatic swivel socket set (3/8 metric).
A hundred years ago, most science fiction writers assumed if aliens existed, they would've taken human into space tens of thousands before ancient history. Earth isn't a zoo or unknown but a primitive culture living a barbaric life in a native habitat.
Why they never draw aliens with clothes on??!
It’s hard to fathom because of the great multitude of stars and planets but earth and it’s life are all alone. It might be mankind’s job to spread life throughout the universe.
The universe is spread out before us like toys on Christmas morning....(just be CAREFUL with the new BB gun.....)
That is likely not possible. It is really just trying to excuse harmful ongoing colonialism on earth.
@@richardcampbell7255all life colonized and took over something else. This is the way of ALL life. Take your victimhood elsewhere.
If aliens show up, we will be food for them ! Lol !
Probably not we would taste bad.
The number one goal of any organism is acquiring resources for survival and high intelligence does not guarantee a peaceful nature. I'm sure we are a resource and we have been sending out advertisements for over a century now ,we are due to find out.
If aliens exist then they have already found us
Thank you
Honestly, would contend with at least one point made at 4:18 here.
We do engage in terrible violence as a species, yes. But the only way we were ever able to even start creating civilization and infrastructure is because somewhere down the line we decided to work together to get more, rather than fight each other for the petty morsals that we all had.
What's more likely to make you survive:
1. Dominating whoever you can for their resources and labor?
2. Or cooperating with your neighbors to create more prosperity for the both of you?
There, you have your great filter.
Can your species evolve their communications as fast as their technology?
Or will your species advance their technology faster than their own societal responsibilities advance?
No matter how smart you are, you can't build anything without some people who can understand and agree with you.
Irrigation, aqueducts, farming, and transportation of goods are all just examples of convergent evolution for intelligent species.
How could you possibly create those things as a purely predatory species without the incentives to evolve social cohesion that is fundamentally the foundation of any advanced construction you can possibly think of?
Civilization is the one thing that could ever get any species off the ground, so what are we most likely to find out there?
Cosmic Predators?
Or just more Civilization?
Totally agree, you're so right. Only as a civilization we'll survive and probably find some other civilization one day 🙏🏻
@@veyenoord exactly! The crowning jewel of evolution is not domination, or even intelligence, it's communication and civilization that is created by it!
The beings we will find out there, (or may have already found us) are probably going to be more cooperative the more advanced they are! That's a very merciful neighborhood for a species that spends so much time with war. We should be real grateful that advanced morality probably comes with advanced civilizations.
And they're probably grateful that we can't get more powerful because of our ethical and societal flaws, lol
Well said, and these facts are often overlooked.
100% agreed.
The problem i see in our culture is, competition is more valued than cooperation.
We seem to be indoctrinated with a mindset of mistrusting your neighbor and see everonye as an enemy. This was maybe helpful in the ice age, but it is extremely dangerous in a world spanning society we live nowadays.
I think we need to overcome that mindset and substitute it with something more akin to live and let live (but this only works when EVERYONE is in it... and that's the hard part...)
We as humanity seem to have more interest in working against each other, instead of cooperating towards a common goal (which should need to be defined).
A legitimate long term goal for humanity could be to create a world where hunger is eliminated or a certain living standard is archieved for everyone (elimination of hunger, health care for everyone, a living standard where humans don't have to risk their healt, just to feed their children and so on.
Basically a humanitarian society like the Federation in Star Trek).
I think Humanity needs such a big, maybe seemingly unarchieveable goal.
(This would still be better than this... thing we currently have where the focus lies on big cooperations that are basically fighting for world domination and don't give a crap about the lives and freedom of the individual.)
@@nealsterling8151 well formulated. I so agree with you. It really feels good reading these kind of opinions or messages almost. Let's hope that more of us around the world agree with what you guys just wrote. Cooperate, Grow and become a Civilized Planet, 🙏🏻
If you look to the ancient past, wide spread destruction seems to be the story. The odds of being alive during one may not be that high but it apears to be prevalent.
if detecting aliens:
Q1: are they intelligent?
Q2: are they edible?
What if they taste like shrimp?
Jesus! you know that can go both ways. Personally, I'd rather not be eaten by a xenomorph,. thanks.
Humanity absolutely NEEDS to setup civilisations on both the moon and Mars as soon as possible. Seriously, do it soon....
Hmm. Are you talking in code on comment threads of youtube videos?
Could be that they are visible but not in a 3 dimension but maybe exist in a dimension that humans can't see.
It took four and a half billion years for us to show up that is 9.3 billion years in our galaxy where civilization should have been arriving on the scene and at 20% of c that means they've had over 930 chances to explore the Galaxy at 450 chances to visit our star
They've been here we just haven't found the relics yet
I hope they don't find us, otherwise they will probably make us clean our rooms. Probably even ground us. 😅😅😅
I'm confused do you or your other channel really do hour plus videos anymore?
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The first thing they will do is teach you a doctrine
The next thing they will do is teach you a language
The next thing they will do is tell you that they are the ruler
The next thing they will do is give you a list of rules
The next thing they will do is tax you
But aliens might not need money because they havent invented it, it's not something they are interested in and their society works in a different way, even if they did use money they wouldn't need ours cos it's not compatible with their civilisation, you numpty
Amazing
I bet whatever name any alien civilization came up with for the name of the galaxy is better than "the Milky Way".
The Palaeoloxodon in the room is dark matter and dark energy (if either exists). If advanced ET can tap either to transmit information without electrical magnetic interference, why would they transmit via light?
I have been pitching that first idea to everyone I know for years. Just look at how addictive video games are already. We have kids (and adults) who don't want to leave the house and want to live in their video game world 24/7. If they got to the point where they were indistinguishable from reality, who wouldn't want a perfect life in paradise? Combine this with some sort of AI singularity and you have everyone willingly entering The Matrix.
Yeah. We live in a simulation… but we’re not special.
The alien signal that we DEFINITELY don’t want is “Quiet!!! Don’t make us fly over there!!!”
"What is all this, wherein, we are!??!"
I believe that we get to see all other entities after we die. 😮
This is absolutely awesome! Thanks man!
Fermi Paradox was born out of ignorance. It's understandable given the scientific knowledge of the time but still.
Let me explain.
It's a comparison of two probabilities:
1. Probability to find a habitable planet that can support intelligent life.
2. Probability of life NOT emerging on a planet.
We know the approx value of the 1st, we still have no clue about the 2nd. Could be anywhere between zero and infinity.
The mistake most people do is forgetting there has to be match between the two. Usually whoever talks about the "Fermi paradox" completely forgets about the second variable.
Here's the actual scientfic approach to this problem. It's essentially a math problem.
-- If the 1st variable is much bigger than 2nd, we get an Universe teeming with life (and thus, also the Fermi Paradox)
-- If it's the opposite we got the mystery of how the heck did we get here? The direct opposite of the Fermi Paradox.
-- If those 2 variables land in the same general ballpark we got just one inhabited world per Universe. No Fermi Paradox.
Can the probability of life appearing on any given planet be really so infinitestimally small? Absolutely. As far as we know, effortlessly.
I'm not claiming it is, I'm only pointing out it's a real possibility that people who're not familiar with how probabilities work seem to completely misunderstand.
One day we will know for certain.
I commend you on your thumbnail of the alien. All the pics I ever take are either blurry or stolen by the MIB. Cheers M8
An interesting astronomy discussion some time ago said : if An advanced race decided to visit earth , it would not be a landing in USA /china / or russia etc.probably nowhere in the northern hemispheres (except possibly for the north artic pole)
The southern hemisphere eg: middle of australia or new zealand
But the agreement was they would choose a remote island and there are many in the middle of the vast oceans no civilians would be able to get to them quickly and only military jets could film them at least for a delayed time any large military country would be the last place they would land.
Some signals that human like aliens might send that I don't want to see..."I want share share the good news news about our Lord And Savior Geemguss" or how about "I would like to tell you about this exciting new product that YOU TOO can sell to your neighbors"
The IQ filter. The smarter a civilization becomes the less offspring it has which leads to population collapse. The paradox isn’t that it is one issue but instead it is all possible issues at the same time.
Is this actually John’s channel??
It is. This is John’s official clips channel.
It is.
@@EventHorizonShow ok was suspicious since I’ve seen quite a few channels get their content stolen on shorts
@@The_Wicked_Wookie It's really bad on shorts. But yes, this one is legit.
"To serve man.". It's a cookbook 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A signal could arrive at any moment
do we know what natural means in the galaxy?
Of course not. We can barely see anything. Most of our own galaxy is obscured. We don't have enough eyes on the sky, capacity to process data to even map out large objects in our own solar bubble. Our solar system looks like a scrap heap that we can't model the creation of. We know little even about the moon and how it came to be (the Thea impact theory doesn't really work, even though it's been widely publicized).
Like in other study domains, only the people that understand the most can see how little we understand, and how much work is yet to be done.
I needed so many numerically impossible things to happen for me to have been born “Me” (sorry about everything after that).
Yet, with so many chances being in the trillions, I have always wondered what the odds truly are.
“Doctor Livingstone I presume?”
One of these days, the swamp gas is going to eat us.
here's something for the serious science people who make these videos over and over about the 'paradox' so what if...just saying...they did come here they stayed behind a cloak and studied us for months, then burst out laughing and took all their funny videos home. never to return. we aren't the greatest at anything and compared to a stellar civilization we are a joke.
Why have entomologist not jumped in their Landovers , fill up their tank and head out across the desert and stop and visit every ant hill ....and try to talk to them? They're obviously sort of intelligent. They could benefit from our knowledge. .....
There's your "paradox".
To travel between stars you will travel through time. FTL is a time machine.
We're ants trying to understand a Landrover ......they got better things to do.
Everyone always makes this comparison, but we are far different even to beings far more intelligent, we utilize electricity and energy and create technology. If ants started building ships and flying around and or even used any form of language communication we would probably be far more interested in them
Id like to imagine that a digital existence in paradise would be easier to achieve and more worth while than colonizing the galaxy. Imo anyway...
We will never colonize the galaxy. Deep space is an astronomical obstacle to overcome for so many reasons.
Mars civilization was evaporated because of the noise after the omua mua survey of humanity we're not sure what they do to this Rock because the federation are protecting humans and we have no communication with them
If they don’t show up soon with a willingness to help, there is a pretty good chance that, when they do get here, there will be nothing left of our civilization but ruins.
The average distance between stars is five light years
I wouldn't worry.
Why would they build the simulation so big? Its not. We just think it is because it looks that way from the inside.
Is a virtual reality number 10 option doesn't really make any sense because they would still need energy and they would know very well it's a star is not going to last forever and there would be absolutely no reason why they could not dwell in these simulated realities on an interstellar ship it's the most likely way to cross interstellar distances when you cannot violate c you can accelerate as fast as you want to you don't need life support infrastructures and it doesn't matter how long the journey takes
6:26 humans are meant to conquer the entire universe. Hopefully not against aliens but with them.
where all our ancient aliens homies at?
We’re already in the virtual reality and forgot
You sound as an AI that is reading its own text this time
We are alone.
Then they have probably evolved and learnt the truth, that beyond the Planck constant, we are all one, and we are all life
By the by-EMP attacks are theoretically defensible against. EMP attacks are kind of a brute-force attack and are mostly effective against the lower region of the electro-magnetic spectrum-tapering off in effect as we approach the microwave and higher regions of RF and virtually null against coded energy transfer, kinetic energy such as flywheel backup systems and ionization/plasmatic/laser fiber optic transmission media. EMP weaponry would devastate most of our current flimsy, primitive infrastructure, but we must upgrade these systems to protect us future-wise from stellar antics and unforeseen cosmic events such as 🤨🧐🤪passing red, brown, and orange starlets thrusting their primally lustful energies into our fragile, quivering little ecosphere!
Background music is overpowering the voice audio - again
Maybe the universe is a simulation, and when an alien species realizes that, they figure they might as well live in their own simulations.
Simulception
Alien ❤❤
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The Universe:
It's Free Real Estate!
Who says we have not got contact
It's hard enough to find intelligence on Earth Nevermind space
Sure they are watching and thinking these muppets will wipe themselves out we can save the lasers
Have you heard about the hundred of thousands of people who claim to have met them.
Have you seen the film's of the Nimitz being swarmed my flying objects that defy inertia and speed endurance?
Yooo lets gooo ! I am an alien
Get out of my cupboard
@@jamesdreads7828 no!
What if humanity is just repulsive to most life
We're slimy, warm, we have a smell to us, and every inch of us is coated in bacteria and other microscopic life.. its not true to us because we're us... but i could imagine an alien lifeform seeing us would notice these things
'Oh god, humans in the federation? The public space transportation would be disgusting Zlygos, imagine their pools of sweat in zero g, they're covered in a microscopic layer of slime Zlygos, what about the hair?
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What if we heard a signal saying "I'm Homer Simpson I've come for your dohnuts nom nom nom" that would unsettle me 😂
Yeah, the LAST thing we need is for "The Covenant" to come around with their SELF righteousness bullshit!!🤘😂
Master Chief!!🤘😀
Um, you’re like Neil deGrasse Tyson, in your assumptions. “Aliens would have to possess an intimate knowledge of our computer systems to be able to effect them.” “Aliens wouldn’t look anything like us because they ‘obviously’ 🙄 would come from a vastly different environment.”
Can’t blame a futurist for futuring, though. Assumptions is kinda what you do…
Don't worry, John!! We're better wrestlers rhan rhe aliens; ww'll send John Cena in to tie them all up like pretzels and keep us safe.
When the undertakers bell rings and it all goes dark they’ll have the fear in their hearts.
#11: Reapers
Hi. Do you know the Gospel of Thomas? Read it under the light of the ideas in this video.
Man cannot see ailen civilizations not because they are not there but because we don't have the technology to see them. No I'm not talking about distance, I'm talking about what these beings do to stay hidden. Man has a nasty habit of thinking because they can't detect ailen civilizations that they're not anywhere.
It's also important to point out that the compelling evidence we think we lack when it comes to ailen civilizations have probably already been discovered by our military or different branches of government that we are not aware of.
This is the case for Sasquatch and other mysteries. How can mainstream society except that there are no compelling evidence for things our government keeps hidden from us ?
For example,.. if I wanted to hide something from my children than how could they say "We don't see it so it must not exist" What mainstream society is allowed to know ,see ,or be aware of and what they are not allowed to know ,see ,or be aware of has been going on for a hundred years or more.
Even the best scientist are kept from knowing things our government keeps hidden from them.
How can scientists make an accurate assumption about something ( study the world's mysteries) when all the information is not on there desk ?
Holograph. It is all a hologram...