So You Want To Play Chinese
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2020
- Episode 3 of our civ series. You guys voted and I delivered with Chinese. Overall they are a top tier civ, however they are just a bit hard to pick up for new/beginner players. However once you get the start down they are pretty standard. Vote in the comments below for the next civ, lets try to get a low-mid tier one for next episode. Hope you guys enjoy!
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Day 24 of 30! Video cut off near the end, but just make sure you guys vote in the comments which civ u want to see next week!
Britons plez
Byzantines could be a good option to pick. Most of us don't know how to use that Trash Bonus. Great Vids btw
BRITONS or CELTS, please!
Aztecs would be great ! Hard to play for a beginner-intermediate too
Thanks for the video, it helps a lot
Hera - Age of Empires 2 Italians. I don’t understand howw play this civ. So useless
Hera: when you get raided dont panic
Me: what is this power you speak of?
He actually lost only 2 or 3 vills to the knight raid, I would have been totally dead afterwards 11
@@Tryss93 I just give up on garrisoning and ring the town bell.
"he punished every hole I had" lol so dirty
"I need to fix my wood"
Lmaoo
Glad i'm not the only one who caught that. Great vid on how to play the Chinese alas yes i'm immature and yes Hera is to cute.
Hearing that from hera
Sitting here with my wife and even she stopped and cocked an eyebrow 😂
Somewhere Archer is yelling "Phrasing!"
46:21 "He literally punished every hole I had"
-Hera 2020
I personally like "Chinese are fine, they're completely normal"
Mongols next would be great! I'm sure many people find the transition to Mangudai a bit weird just like with any other cav archer civ. I'd also like to see ideal army comps for each civ showcased if that's possible, I think that would be really useful!
Yes please!
By cav archer civ you mean unique cav archers or unique units in general right?
Cause normal ca transition is like transitioning into archers, nothing really special imo. (Same production building, upgrades + bloodlines, husbandry and parthian tactics), same combination of resources needed)
And what exactly is it that you find weird about the transition? I think elaborating on your question a bit would help. Lots of ppl can help with questions if they exactly know your problem :)
@@ashmonkey2572 I put mongols as an example, but the civ I'd like to know more about is Berbers. How do you transition into the Camel Archers? What end comp is generally ok?
What i tend to find weird is how to go about building the required castles, should i focus harder on stone or just keep archer production going while slowly building up into castles? And do you open with a scout + archer rush or just go straight archer? Sorry if it's a lot of questions at once haha
@@RealAmnz Berbers generally want camel archers plus some form of buffer unit like hussars, same for mongols. But the tanking unit can also be sth else depending what your opponent is doing.
Transitioning into unique units always takes time, cause castles are hard to get by. You should add 1 tc on stone and gather in castle ageif you want to go for your uu. Start purting ppl on stone in mid castle age and add more in late castle age. You want your first castle out before clicking up to imperial age.
You definitely need to buy time in early imp. Your opponent will or should force you into making trebs so you arent able to create your uu. So try to go for a different unit than your uu at first.
In the case of mongols arbs can be a great choice. With berbers you probably have to go for cavalry first.
There is another option where you already transition into your uu in castle age. Add like 4-6 vills on stone so you can have your first castle as soon as you are up to castle age. This makes imp transition less awkward but leaves you vulnerable in early castle or have weaker eco than opponent who goes tcs instead of castle.
Early imp is where civs that rely on their uu struggle, that's the reason why mongols aren't a top arabia civ.
So having a hard time in that period is completely normal.
Generally straight archers is not a good idea, as its countered way too easy.
Scouts are useful even when the enemy is walled or has spears. Archers are completely useless if enemy has skirms. So its very risky, better open up with sth else and than transition into archers or do an archer-skirm mix.
If you still like to go archers make sure your map is walled easily, and add scouts if enemy goes skirms.
Go watch viper-vinchester kotd 1 if you wanna see a pro getting rekt because of opening archers.
ua-cam.com/video/EzNOOuLGcxs/v-deo.html
Watch from 7:30 vinch falls flat on his face
wanted a lower tier civ but alot of people voted mongols so mongols next confirmed!
"they don't have to force drop anymore it's pretty much fixed" famous last words
46:23 "He literally punished every hole I had" - Hera quotes
I always wanted to learn how to play Malay, their faster up time rly screws me over and I get lost and forget what I wanted to do and accidentally resign
111
Seconded, was thinking of this as well.
went imp with malay the other day, guy quit immediately and called gg even tho i thought game was on the line, pretty sick bonus
Thank you for this one Hera, I thought I would never find a civ I liked more than Mongols but after doing this for about 20 games I think my Chinese winrate is better now and I've fallen in love with the civ. The flexibility is my favorite thing about it, being able to tech switch on a dime feels so broken. Chu Ko Nu are also a very fun unit to use!
Thank frick for this video! You the man Hera these are my favorite series!
Beautifully played from both sides, 50min well spent. Thank you!
Always nice to watch and thank you for recording and explaining! I'm climbing from 800 to1000 elo and training to improve since a few days and started to use shortcuts. Playing this game since I'm 7yo but it went out of my focus when it came to the shortcut quickslot stuff. Gonna give it a try.
Hi Hera, loving your videos man. This one I liked because so many pros rate the Chinese so highly, whereas for me, as a relative beginner, it wouldnt be a go-to civ. This video cleared that up for me.
I really like how you let us in on your thought process during the game. Makes it easier to follow the steps you take. Keep up the good work!
I would really like to see Aztecs next. But since I’m going to watch the video anyway I’d be happy with any civ.
to watch you play is more fun than playing myself, i have just 50hr on the game and im learning a lot keep them coming!
Would love a 'so you want to play Aztecs'. I come across similar force drop problems and it always catches me off-guard. I'm also not sure where they're best overall.
Great Video Hera! Really appreciate your effort here.
gosh that askking chat and ancering so quick helbed me a lot! rly nice still 1 yeahr after but to get a feeing about them its rly good video !!!
I was looking forward to this vid. Thanks Hera!
Some really great explanations and demonstrations here - really makes you think how you can apply this to games with your own skills/weaknesses
I'd really like to see either Franks or Magyars next - with a huge emphasis on how to harass with Scouts
It would be good if you could play against a player who is expecting your Scout rush so you can show how to make it work even if the opponent expects it
I say this because lower elo games you're not quite good enough to Drush to stop walling so when your Scouts get there, spearmen and walls are already out
Thanks man
"welcome back to another video, so today we're back with another" nice intro , he practiced too lol
Your instructional play games are probably the best content on your channel. Roadto2k. So you want to play... etc. Keep it up!
36:07 tree gets cut down and hera doesnt panick somehow lmaoo
This was great. Learned a lot. Even as a fairly experienced player! :D
Been waiting for this! Thanks a lot :)
Thanks for elaborating on how to play chinese! I like the civ, but just wasn't comfortable enough to play withit!
Thanks for this guide, my build order was kinda faulty, now everything is good and playing 2v2 with my friend against AI I got twice the score. Really helps
I would love to see "So you want to play Goth" someday as i feel like they have pretty much the most awkward transition in castle age..
I always struggle with them in early castle till I have the eco set up to start the spam.
Great series Hera, keep it up!
Although I love goths they are D tier and are hard to play effectively against top players.
Thank you for the tutorial, I will be using Chinese from now on day in and day out.
Hey i am new to the chinese, do you have some additional tipps for me?
My favourite way to play chinese is 1 stable into 1 range production in feudal. Aside from the damage you're gonna be dealing with scouts into archers you still can decide wether to continue archer production by adding the second range or actually going for knights or camels by adding a second stable.
They are just that flexible
They get away doing bodkin and xbow while transitioning into BL+2armor kts in early castle for that very powerful kts+xbow combo.
@@majungasaurusaaaa srsly? Never played a knights+xbows build... Do you have any link where I can see how is it done?
@@diegeigergarnele7975 I don't think there is a build order for that on the internet as it's an early castle strat. It could be 1 TC full out aggression for a while or simply a transition into cavalry play with TCs adding soon afterwards.
You've opened 2 ranges in feudal or been doing scout into 2 ranges. During upping to castle you add 1/2 stables to have a total of 2 (preferably hidden out of sight for surprise) and add farms (your TC and mill should be fully surrounded by farms and wheelbarrow done before upping, this is done by taking lumberjacks off wood). You will not have the wood to add another TC right after castling, but that's not the point of this strat. It's to use the highly powerful combo of kts+xbow to inflict eco damage.
Research the gold upgrade, cavalry armor and bloodlines during upping. Keep making archers from 2 ranges AND KEEP YOUR ARCHERS ALIVE. DO NOT TAKE FIGHTS IF YOU CAN HELP IT. Try not to research the padded archer armor if you haven't done it in feudal. Your kts will be doing the tanking. But if you absolutely have to fight then do it.
Once you hit castle, do xbow upgrade and bodkin first while making your kts from 2 stables non stop. Do not make more xbows as you won't have the gold anyway. You should have your mass of xbows already made. After bodkin do +2armor for kts.
During the upgrading time you should walk your xbows to the enemy base. The kts being fast will catch up and join them there. Group up the 2 units before taking fights.
Depending on what the opponent does you can add more xbows, cease kts production, add CA, uni for balistics or add TCs.
Hope that was useful. Sorry for the length.
@@majungasaurusaaaa that was super helpful surely I'm going to give it a shot... Looks like I should need 18~20 farms and how many on gold? It would be 14 without the gold upgrade, with it maybe around 12?
Looks very expensive I don't know if I would be able to make this one work, hope I can, I am still trying to get 1300 1v1 so it might not be easy for me to pull off.
Thank you for the lenghty reply
Very well made, thanks for this video Hera
This was a great breakdown of Chinese. I think. Thanks hera
Cheers man great content always worth a watch
Hi Hera. thnx for the vids. Really helpful. Learned my scout rushes from you. I'd like to see Goths next please coz a lot of people in low elos pick Goths and I'd love to know how to make them work for me.
Nice teaching style, great video!
Great video, keep up the good work!
That hole between the houses at the right side was noted by your chat like 10 minutes before it was used. Even some of your own scouts did go through it earlier.
Excellent video, Hera. You make it look easy to play Age. 11
Would also be good to see Franks - see scouts into knights all the time in low elo
Hera freaked out when he almost picked Goths on stream today: Goth build.
@Hera, hey man, just a heads up that this vid is not in the playlist yet. Awesome content! Keep it up! Would love to see Aztecs or Vikings next!
ahh thanks so much will add it!
46:22 "he literally punished every hole I had"
Guys I made a summary of the early part of the video, because I am very new to the game, and it helps me memorizing, if you have any other suggestions or tips, let me know!
*Loom
First 6 - sheep (Sheep/Boar-6)
7 - *HOUSE*->sheep (Sheep/Boar-7)
8 - Lumbcamp -> wood (S/B-7, Wood-1)
9 - Wood (S/B-7, Wood-2)
10 - Wood (S/B-7, Wood-3)
11 - Lure Board -> Boar (S/B-8, W-3)
12 - *HOUSE* -> Berries (S/B-8, W-3, Berries-1)
13 - Boar (S/B-9, W-3, B-1)
14 - Mill->Berries (S/B-9, W-3, B-2)
15 - Berries (S/B-9, W-3, B-3)
*Drag one from boar to barries (S/B-8, W-3, B-4)
At this time, lure deer, or build 1 farm with the lowest HP S/B vil
16 - Boar (S/B-9, W-3, B-4)
*Lure second boar with a health vil underneath the TC
17 - Build *HOUSE* -> Deer or Farm (S/B-9, W-3, B-4, Farm-1)
18 - Boar (S/B-10, W-3, B-4, F-1)
19 - Boar (S/B-11, W-3, B-4, F-1)
20 - Wood (S/B-11, W-4, B-4, F-1)
21 - Wood (S/B-11, W-5, B-4, F-1)
22 - 2nd Lumbcamp -> Wood (S/B-11, W-6, B-4, F-1)
*Click Feudal and * get 4 vils underneath TC to wood (S/B-7, W-10, B-4, F-1)
On the way to feudal
-Build a barracks with 2 vils, I named one of them *Gregory* (Dr.House)
-One more vill to Wood so 11 in total
-When the sheep runs out, send to nearby wood
When in Feudal
*Horsecollar and Double- Bit axe
- Build a Stable with the Barracks Vils, where one of them will go back to Wood/Farms and *Gregory* will build a *HOUSE* and *HOUSE/WALL* your base
- When Horsecollar is finished, keep making farms with nearby wood TC vils, as long as your wood allows
- Set you TC gather point to nearby wood
KEEP YOUR EYE ON *GREGORY* AND DON'T GET *HOUSED*, aim for having 17 on food and 7 on gold before researching wheelbarrow and click castle
Hey i am new to the chinese, do you have some additional tipps for me?
Very helpfull video. Thank you!
Nice game, nice tutorial and nice explaining. I like it! Could you do the same with the malay?
These "how to videos" are a great compliment to SOTL Civ Videos. Keep it up!!
I realy like your So you want to play vidos but I wonder wouldnt it be a better ideas to start with the weeker civs acording to your civ rating video ?
Hera, you should make a video teaching ways to defend against scout rushes. I mean, there's plenty of bo explaining scout and archers openings, but none about defending techniques. I find particularly hard to stand against scout rushes because pikemen are very slow to stop the harassment. I know walling is a good defense, but when to do it? Should I go for watch tower?
Great video!
Damn! The sheer speed you play at...i feel old :D
Me, that playes age 2 casually with 2 friends while high as balls: How he think so much
Yeah it’s a game you have to be more sober than while driving xD even one or two beers (not even talking of pot) makes me so slow and distracted I lose on 800 elo 11
@@pascalbaryamo4568 All you need to do is remember: Barracks bad, hussar spam good
@@tinyman1144 right, quit AoE entirely. It became so stupid. Execute build order -> go to archer age -> go to Xbox/siege age -> spam hussars like crazy, bcause it beats any actual strategy.
@@pascalbaryamo4568 Well I was trying for a bit of a joke, but yeah the meta is fairly annoying as it is I'd agree, though I'd say there is a little more to it than you've outlined.
What counts for 'actual strategy' anyways in age?
@@tinyman1144 there were times when, haha ^^ Drush or MAA opening were more than viable when DE came out, scout rush was used, infantry line was a thing for not only Khmer or whoever gets that mad no gold tech. There was much more variety and not only stupid archer line that once it reaches critical mass even beats skirms and mangonelles easily. And then the bloody hussar rush, am I supposed to stonewall the entire map?!
I’d love to see you play Indians ... I just don’t know when to get camels ... shall I use them as knights.. or is it just very situational
If chinese gets all useful techs they saved enough money for at least 1 full control group of chevaliers that can turn the tide. Good to know :) might try them, had them a few times in random civ, good to know a proper start for them now.
Hi Hera, it would have any chance of uploading the record game and provide the link in the video description? I think it would be great. Greatings from Brazil. ( Sorry for my bad english )
Great videos, I always learn so much ! Celts next
just awesome
this year april is every month 😉
keep up the great work 👍🏻
31:05 Hera's defense is insane
Hey, are all the settings, tactics, costs, speed and everything the same on the *2013 edition, as in the definitive edition*? So is it just a visual update, or does the game fundamentally change? Thank you
Nice, my fav civ!
Hera is the only channel that teaches us how a Civ works in real PVP mode and he managed to defeat them....>.
Please do one in Malay. It is one of my favorite civs that has a really fun quantity over quality approach. I don't really know how to use it against super high quality units so it would be nice to have a guide with that.
Hera says if you're 1400 on DE, leave quick walling to until you get to a higher level. I find it the most important thing on levels 1000-1500 how to keep your vils alive. Quick walling, quick garrisoning, walling... Those are the most important things and yes, if by quick walling you mean traps and stuff then yea it's tricks and stunts.
Very helpful!
Anyone know if this is still up to date? What changes have been made since? Thanks!
You sir, are amazing.
Very interested to see how you would play byzantines. They're quite a popular new player civ and it's always really informative to watch pros do instructionals on civs that aren't top-tier on enough maps to make it into a lot of competitive play by top players.
How to transition that fast between your vils and the scout?
- first civilisation to utilise gunpowder
- doesnt have cannons
Really educational. Best aoe content out there imo!
It takes a specially comprehensive brain power to be able to both play as a pro and talk as a talk show host. I envy you.
Why is it worth it transitioning from Arbelesque to ChoKoNu? Wouldnt you rather stay @crossbow and transition from there?
How do Britons and Ethiopians play against Chinese?
They seem to have a very similar tech tree but have higher range archers/siege.
What do you do Chinese v Britons? I loved this vid. I tried to put it all into practice. I even took better engagements with xbows at beginning. But britons just kept coming. Longbow and siege... it was hard...
try bringing skrim，knights and ram
How to select all the castles at the same time?
are u playing all your games with the DE format?
- cause many of us are still using the HD version (cause our computers are too damn old to cope with the new specs)
-- or we cant be fucked to learn how to use win 8-10
Celts next please. Very powerful economy but bad archers and cav for arabia. Early imp transition into either onager/rams+halbs or woads is tricky but very powerful once you get going.
How did GoKu's scouts have +3 attack in the feudal age? Around @25:45
watching all of these in 1,5x
Thank you for the Tips.
are you able to update these
you probably wont see this hera since this is an older video. but on team games, if one of the opponents goes mass SO and halbs, how do you deal with that with chinese?
Whats the lowest possible Idle TC time with chinese?
I really appreciated your video, but Chinese is a difficult civ to take for a beginner, would it be possible to do the same with a civ you consider easy to pick ?
for example, I'm used to play with Magyards because it's easier to scout rush, but I'm sure there are much more possibilities than this one
First! When can we expect So you want to play vids for individual units.
He was lucky Goku didn't go Super Saiyan!
I would love to see an episode covering the bulgarians.
Awesome 👏😎
How would any Mesoamerican civ deals with late game. They only have pike/helb and skirmisher for trash. There is no raiding potential with quick light cav.
What exactly do you do against meso civs with their eagle warriors at the beginning? This is like the only thing I personally struggle with as an beginner player.
And I would like to see Aztecs as the next civ.
Walls and probably man at arms
Since cav isn't exactly a counter and archers ain't either
I'm no high level but that's what I got
@@woodenbullets822 man ay arms will spend their time chasing the eagle warriors around while u lose vills
@@105tinoto wall in what u can
Can just leave some man at arms like u do with spears against scout
oh and 1v1 scouts beat eagles (no upgrades) in feudal but lose in dark
@@woodenbullets822 i dont think so
36:05 OMFG you just made a hole in the woodline, bottom right! soooo lucky he didnt notice!
But the town center was there by then not just a lumber camp which was the only reason he walled them off to begin with. Once the TC was built it didnt matter if there were holes
@@NowhereMan7 ah yes i see. lol im a dumb noob dont listen to me! :P
Hera: 12:23
Me, a noob who just lost as Chinese to Magyars: hmmmm
Please do Incas. All I ever see from them is their vil rush but it would be nice to learn how to play them as they have 3 unusual units (Eagles, Kamayuks, and Slingers).
was really hoping u would go camels with the chu ko nu
Guys, how do I chat to all in game in team game? :D
I was always wondering why ci which actually invented gunpowder doesnt have access to it in game. I guess for the same reason we dont see polish civ and hussars all across the board.
They have bombard towers and Rocketry is a reference to gunpowder too, so it's not that innacurate actually (Cannon galleon are given to veryone so it doesn't really count). Back when ES did the game, the widespread cliché was that Chinese only used really primitive gunpowder, so I guess they assumed giving them all gunpowder was too much, and now with all the balance work that has been made it's too late to chnage that.
Hey Hera, what is a good way to practice micro and macro?
practice practice practice
If my gold unit should be in the back, does that mean i never go for cavalier in imp in 1v1?
Well, yes and no. IDEALLY you want to stay away from Paladin without trade or a large amount of gold on the map like gold rush. BUT it is okay to go Paladin if it is just the right move based on you're opponents composition. No matter how much gold is involved. In that case you need hella strong eco and a market. The issue is they are front line units and more exposed than archers. So during fights you generally have to commit more to get good grades or replace expensive units constantly. There Is a lot involved with this question and it's very situational. But the short answer is stay away from paladin in 1 v 1's without gold unless the situation is one where it is more efficient than making other units. Like an example could be oppenent going champs skirms and seige on arabia. Scouts could work but champs counter trash so if you have map control (access to gold) or enough gold banked sneak mass knights could make more sense because of the suprise element and if you steam roll it wont give him enough time to transition to pikes. While YOU transition to skirms ideally you do it early in anticipation. Idk not the greatest example but.
It just takes time to develop game knowledge and developed game awareness.
>Low tier one for next episode
Its goth to be the Goths
Why does everyone dislike goths that much, its one of my favourite civs :(
Good video
CELTS next! I fimd them so weird to play with.