So You Want To Play Teutons
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2020
- Welcome back to another video from the series. Today we take a close look at teutons, a civ that has received several changes recently. Currently I think they are a solid pick in some situations, but still have certain weaknesses that lowers how consistently they can perform. This is a great civ for beginners now in my opinion, so feel free to use it if you enjoy playing it at beginner-intermediate levels. Hope you guys enjoy the video, vote down below in the comments for the next civ!
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Alright guys, thanks for all the comments. It will be slavs next week!
Cool
Cumans Please. That 2 TC/Feudal Ram goodness is lacking proper UA-cam attention. Show the new civs some love, Bro!
@Hera, would you also include a lil bit of your computer specs? I wanna buy a new PC and would be good to know what to look for AOE2-wise. Thanks!
But i want to play Vikings
I'd love to see a vietnamese video
I have a confession to make: I have a serious attraction to Teutonic Knights. The way their smooth capes flow over the perfectly chiseled bodies makes me an instant horndog. I can't imagine going a day without giving into my carnal urges watching them stroll onto the battlefield. I have spent the last few months writing fanfiction and poetry to express the deep, sexual energy these boys in blue express with every step.
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Copypasta right on point
How dare you play them in blue!?! They need their golden cloaks!
I have a wet dream about those hot muscled Teutonic Knights every knight. So good
@@Runenschuppe Grey is the way to go with teutons.
One of the best things about Teutons is they invalidate so many of the opponents options. You cant Trush them bc they will win every towerfight. You cant really use Monks. Crenellations invalidates Bombardcannons.
So the opponents has a very narrow set of options what makes it very predictable.
I think Teutons have a big potential for optimization on the midgame bc you can help yourself but float a ton of wood. So finding the right balance there or using the wood productivly is key to making Teutons a lot better.
It is an AOK civ but people have shied away from it for so long that there is probably still potential for improvement.
The last patch changes also made the civ more viable overall, maybe more people will start optimizing BOs to get the most of them, i think they have a specific role they are the best at which makes them at least niche instead of weak.
The farm bonus always was nice, but it wasn't enough alone. I think the +armor bonus is enough to boost their potential. When combined with the eco bonus, it gives them enough of an edge in mirror situations, or close to it. And if opponent doesn't want to mirror and go xbow or something instead, that is also good, because knights + siege can do well.
TK's will always be niche, but tankier knights + eco means they will always be at least mid tier overall.
The stat values between pikemen and knights are very precisely tuned in the castle age.
a)knight attacking pikeman
If the knight has an upgrade lead against the pikeman (attack vs. defense) the pikeman dies in (55/(10+1)*5=5)5 hits. On equal upgrades, it dies in (55/10
Taking an extra hit seems good to me
but if the halberdier meet a teuton knight how bad does is life go ?
except pikes attack slow as hell
LOL Think about how much time when into gathering the information for this post just so you could put a quick +1 like on it ~_^
@@daydodogtrue and ik this comment is 3yrs old but its perfect for me to say we have Roman’s now to boost their attack speed by 33% if you were to play them or a friend sends some centurions over to boost you’re army
I remember back in the Age of Kings days, and only until the Conquerer's expansion came out, Teutons were actually classified as a defensive civ.
Teuton farms are 40% cheaper, meaning they cost 60 x 0.6 = 36 wood instead of 60. You save 24 wood per farm.
At the end of this game, you had 41 farmers, so during this game you saved up at leat 41 x 24 = 984 wood. And that's not counting the re-seeds. Let's suppose during this game, you had around 20 reseeds. (41+20) x 24 = 61 x 24 = ~1500 wood. Not bad :D
Thank-you Spirit of the Law!
Great showcase/demonstration. Your analytic commentary is a great addition as wel. Ggwp
Just seeing Hera in the past couple days. I have to say guys, I'm 30 and been playing since the OG game, you guys know.your stuff. It's really impressive. Never done much multilayer and would hate to come across most of you. The game play has changed a little bit over 20 years.
Celts plz ! I love them, but think they are hard to play.
Go eat TC!
Just watch Hoang
Intro 0:00
Civ Perks and Tech tree
Summary 5:50
Map Choices 6:05
Twitch Q&A 7:10
Game Start 13:50
It is great to see you play them so well, they are my favorite civ but have a hard time playing them
Yeah, i want to play Slavs!
i'd love to see bulgarians!
@Steward Benson where wtf?
Yessss we need Bulgarians
TOOOOTONS
I think that Malay are a great suggestion anyway, how flex they are in water AND land maps and their unique playstyle seems an edge. This will be a nice idea since we have only land games and land tips in this series right now... Great video as well💓
I love these civ tutorials thanks!
What I really like about Hera: He always has this super engaged attitude / voice and still makes fun of himself in the same way ("I pretend I knew this, to keep the credebility") :-D
Japanese plz. Also gg wp. Teutons are finally viable but beating Mayans with them is a result of skill alone.
not exactly, if you use the units wells you can win always
@@Logan00710 (that's what skill is)
I think Teutons have always been better than the other beginner civs, like Byzantines and Spanish, simply because they have an eco bonus. Building farms for 2/3 the cost is better than the Spanish's faster building and the Byzantines' cheap trash. Teutons are also not weak at any stage of the game unlike the other 2, though they are restricted to a knight rush in Castle because of their lackluster archers.
Well i think that the teuton win rate proofes that your argument was false. They havent been below the eleventh Spot since over a year.
@@markusdegenhardt8678 this comment was made 2 years ago …
Congrats Hera on surpassing Nili and becoming the 6th largest aoe 2 youtuber!
Byzantines would be interesting to watch :)
Only correction is Herbal medicine is at a monastery instead of the university.
It's a great bonus because since garrisoned infantry fire arrows from towers and castles (with Crenellations) they can safely heal while offering firepower.
Slavs!
Love how the only civ bonus that was actually used in this game was the cheaper farms (and the resist conversion, but its hard to tell how much of a difference this made). Really shows that this is what teutons are about.
Yeah, he saved between 900 and 1500 wood during this game, thanks to the bonus :o
True, the farm bonus actually saved Hera around 800 wood. At this stage of the game it doesn't matter what type of resources you're saving as they're all viable and worth roughly the same amount of villagers' work time. So 800 value = 6 bonus knights extended between ~20th and 30th minute.
@@Michal235 41 farms x 24 wood = 984 wood saved at least, not counting the reseeds
If we suppose he did 15 to 20 reseeds during this game, that would bring the total wood saved between ~1300 and ~1500
Well if your opponent goes xbows, can't do much to see their other bonuses. I'd have loved to see a game up against knights, even if it were a team game. The farm bonus + armor knights against enemy knights would have better showcased their strengths I think.
I just got into playing AoE 2 DE with some friends who are well, the word I use is better but seeing my civ being played is very helpful for me thanks. my strat was to get as many castles on the field with 20 archers a castle owned means 20 crossbowmen later on
You don’t need to put archers in the castle if you have crenellations you can use infantry instead.
Been playing Teutons for 20 years - No one can weather a siege and defend the team like they can. Can't tell you how many times I've been hanging by a thread, pulled through, and came back from the grave.
Hera, you are the expert here and I respect your opinion but let me add this. It is easy to discount a civ on paper but some civs are EXREMELY powerful on a team rather than solo 1v1. Teutons are def one such civ. If your team can provide fast cheap units to intercept incoming siege and solid archer cover for your slower armies, the Teutons are unstoppable with their epic siege lines and heavy firepower late-game raids. As a Teutonic player, your biggest problem will be countering archers and fast-moving units. Best to defend your siege lines with heavy scorpions, halberdiers, and hand cannoneers.
Yupp all about stacking them castles up and building them knights up
Hey man. Loved this. Would love to see any of: Khmer, Vietnamese, Malay, Vikings or Italians
I’m stoked to see Bulgarian‘s
How to play Teutons: "...have faith in my quick walling..."
Okie, if that is all one has to be able to XD
Teutons are a land deathball civ. Pushing forward with up to 13 range castles which cover your strong slow melee units and can be garrisoned with infantry to increase damage as well as siege onager.
Basically how I see it is you want to grab a forward position either with a tower rush or a castle drop (or both) then pressure your enemy while your late game eco bonus kicks in. Then you slow push your enemy down or try to spike them down with paladin. Properly microed onager line is utterly deadly while your strong melee units can cover them. If the enemy civ lacks a strong counter small groups of Teutonic Knights or paladins or even champions offer a serious threat to production buildings and TC’s.
With this civ you want to destroy town centers, production, castles and tech rather than wasting time raising the eco. Your siege abs castles can deny eco your strong siege + infantry can melt through their buildings. Your death ball of infantry + SO can’t be stopped except maybe by Briton’s super long range archers. I wouldn’t pick this civ vs britons although if you face britons a castle crawl is your best bet with fast crenellations and ranged upgrades + paladin.
Overall I think it’s a strong civ that’s sort of outside the typical meta relying on mobility and cheap trash counters. They are gold and stone hungry so you need to preserve your powerful tech units and castles if the game stalls a bit because it’s likely your opponent has better trash options. Walls at home is absolutely crucial as they don’t have good mobility which is why you want to tie your opponents military population at home and make it difficult for them to spare space or resources to raid. The more closed the map the stronger they are.
Vikings. Always been my favorite civ to play.
This is great! You should make a "how to play [civ]" series like this video!
Edit: Well shoot. I guess it already is a series! sweet
This is a great series!
Luca played really well, greedy a bit for the relic but gg wp for both, thx for the content, Luv from MTL
when it comes to 31:00 I thought Hera would get lots of trouble but，knights rush from back and onager hit predicted point killing massive crossbowman，wow
I feel like the correct mill placement was one square down-left and two squares down-right. Slightly further to the TC but if the berries were taken from the top it would be just as safe in reality, plus then Hera could have then fit exactly three rows of farms in between the TC and the mill.
#MarginalGains.
Without showcasing Crenellations or heavy Siege Presence and by using exclusively archers this was literally a waste of a tutorial video. The fact that we are talking about building placement or desperately asking for civs that will force a different playstyle leads me to this conclusion.
Great series! Have you done Britons yet?
Awesome Hera, as a new player I'm learning alot from this!
I wonder how Hera feels about Crenelations? That range bonus isn't small; feels like it patches their usual weakness to archers on small maps where a castle is hard to avoid, and fits the 'slow death' push style of Teutons.
Great job as always! What a nice game to showcase the maybe less obvious strengths as well! Successful conversions might have tilted the game when it was still a little in his favour. Mangonel predictions did their small part as well though )
Yeah successful conversions vs teutons tho.
the hard counter to xbow is scorpion which compliments teutons nicely because the tk moves slowly as well. Teutons don't need archer units when they can just use scorpions instead.
Thank you for that hera! I hope you will hope sometimes back in to AoE2 to take a day of from LoL. Keep up the great work my man!
Love this series! Can you do Lithuanians?
I LOVE this series. Please keep doing it and please do Ethiopians eventually!
Aztecs or vikings next will be DOPE!
Sweet fight at the end
Great video, as always. Next week, can you show us how to play Goths so they are viable?
Lithuanians, Tartar or Bulgar for me, The new civs with frequent patch changes, would be good to hear your take!
Slavs would be cool since their changes!
Britons
very educational - thanks for this.
**a historically related Question: how would the Teutons fare against the Cumans? (~> 1220s)
Solid. Vikings, Bulgarians, Vietnamese, or Aztecs :)
I would love to see Huns next
Awesome series ! Lithuanian please so we can play 6 hours games properly
My friend describe the Teuton pretty well: "An army of slow-moving melee ball of death"
The breakdown was great and I know the games will be variable with this coming from a live show, but kind of disappointing for a game showing off the civ to have no imp age play, and most of the Teuton specific strats not really being used (other than knight/siege, but only the early stages)
It was a well played game, but maybe not the best for showing off the civ
Wow, that went down quick. Now I know that I shouldn't count on dodging mangonel shots with range units. One wrong move, and gg
Just want to wish you a gg on a fine victory
Thanks for answering a persistent question of mine about how free techs work. I knew you had to reach the right age, but not the fact that you don't need university for the free Murder Holes and Herbal Medicine, which certainly makes a difference when planning when to build what.
Aztecs ftw
yes, Im in love with eagles
Great stuff, I wanna see Indians next!
I Want to play Vikings! Berserkers are so awesome!!
Tatars!
One of my favorite things to do is fill a castle with 20 Teutonic Knights. Melts most things and then I have the knights to ungarrison on any rams
but the trebuchets is a problem if you dont have paladin´s or a faster unit to counter them. Your castles will take down quickly if you dont destroy trebuchets
Tier List request: Best unique techs =)
fuck yea. all these peeps underestimating the teutons
thx m8
I'd like to see you show off Aztecs. :)
Had an oddball idea; I really liked your archer rush, because it seems to work really well with the farm bonus in feudal age. BUT your enemy has to know you're not going to stick with archers for very long, so going xbows is probably a bad idea. And knowing that, they'll probably begin to transition to something else, probably something that will counter your cavalry.
BUT, what if you instead CONTINUED the archer rush, but with Cavalry Archers? They'd give you an immediate, no-upgrade +2 damage bonus, AND they'd be able to get across the map much faster, taking advantage of any moment of vulnerability. You'd build maybe anywhere from 5-10(10x is equal to the 300 resources for the xbow upgrade), and do a bunch more damage that'd be utterly unexpected(because seriously, who builds teuton cavalry archers?), AND you'd be able to start working into your cavalry switch by grabbing Bloodlines!
That felt like a mirco game lol
Have you done Frank's yet? Just found the channel and eager to explore new civs as I'm just coming back to the game
would be cool to see a water civ like italians
Gimme the Litho civs!!
next up: Magyars!!! not enough top level plays of that civ, lots of flexibility as well, would like to hear what you think.
So You Want to Play Slavs
I know its a bit of a boring one but I would love to see Huns. I always mess up my build orders because of the no houses and struggle to know when to transition into Cav archers
Slavs
Does this series still continuing? I'd love to watch Goth bcz I like this civ even they are underpowered and kind of weak
Hello hera its dodgers Kappa i vote for berbers or slavs ;)
Lithuathians and relic bonus damage!
Lithuanians. How do Leitis look like now.
any elephant civ next!
Vikings next please!
Ouch, he was out of position like 20 squares with his army and it was instant gg.
I love putting Teutonic Knights in armored siege rams 😂
you should do Slavs next
Cumans!
Hill fort.
They have beast towers an +3 range in castles, you would think they would be op
Slav please!
17:05 look at the girl villager in the berries
Aztecs would be great!
Ah, Tootin' around, I see?
These guys are Frankish Kryptonite
Teutons are sooooo cool
Get the knights in the limo rams, monks healing paladins make up for speed.
I would love atstecs
Came here from your video in which you've put civs into tier groups and Teutons were in the F tier. But at the start of this video you tell that recent changes made them a strong civ. So, I'm a bit lost here because I'm just a beginner in this game and I don't know what they were missing before the changes or what did they get to become powerful. Can somebody pls make a summary?
Top donor : Hoang
Britons or Byzantines, please!
17:10 T90 mills!
slavs please!!
Aztecs!!