My teen just watched The Lord of the Rings Trilogy with me recently, and she was struck at how much Tolkien's work has inspired other books like the Harry Potter series, for example. She said that the concept of horcruxes in the Potter series was a direct rip off from Sauron and the One Ring.
I disagree with that sentiment. I think the various similarities you point out about Harry Potter is rooted in mythology and made up creatures. But Harry Potter is STILL a great story.
I would substitute the words "direct rip off" and replace them with the words "primary source of inspiration" because even Mr. Tolkien, as wonderful a storyteller as he undoubtedly was, was inspired by various stories and whatnot before sitting down and conceptualizing the Lord of the Rings universe.
Morgoth's primary motivation was spite. He could not create, so he wanted to spoil and desecrate the creations of others, especially those of Eru. Sauron's primary motivation was domination, he wished to control others utterly and be worshipped by them.
That makes Sauron ten times more dangerous/powerful than Morgoth. You don't take over the world by trying to kill anyone who opposes you, you first get them to kill off each other before they even realize you're the villain. It's a tried and true strategy that the ruling class has been using to keep the the other 98% in check since time immemorial
At the end I think they’d be pretty even based on their tendencies. Morgoth is strong but sauron probably would have an army that he was keeping in his back pocket just in case
Morgoth became a coward by the end of his reign as dark lord Sauron did lead battles but was not very strong but was extremely cunning and a great tactician
Pure propaganda. All Sauron wanted was his ring back. They cut off his finger, stole his ring, plotted to kill him and then destroyed his life force. Whose the victim here?
A small correction: at ~4:05, you say that Melkor "took up the name Morgoth," but that's inaccurate. Upon learning that Melkor had killed his father and stolen the Silmarils, Feanor gave him that name when he cursed him before Manwe. "Morgoth" means "the Black Foe of the World."
Yes! After killing Finwe, stealing the Silmarils, and destroying the two trees Feanor did rename him. In Sindarin…Morgoth also means Dark Enemy. The elves only referred to him by his new name afterward as he was not worthy of his origin name. I love that you know this!!!
Because of the new Lord Of The Rings show on Prime Video it’s been interesting to me to see that Sauron was different to how he displayed in the Lord Of The Rings film as tv series is set a long time before The Hobbit where the Elves have a massive war with the Orcs for hundreds of years (200yr I think, not certain on timeline) but you see Sauron as a warrior/wizard/humanoid figure & commander of the Orcs and not as an all seeing eye. I don’t know much about Sauron so I’m looking forward to seeing this video as well as more of the tv show/Prime Video show
Although the show precedes the movies, I'd personally consider Amazon's version of Sauron to be a completely different character. The show deviates a lot from the actual lore. The LotR movies made some changes too, but still kept a lot of the important themes/characters/events of the stories, while the show changes all of those things. So just fyi--consider the show as like a parallel universe of Tolkien's stories, as opposed to an actual representation of them.
For such a iconic villain it is ironic how limited screen time we got to see and know him, but never really got his true origins. I think we should get an entire show around him and his origin, to Finally to get to know such a formidable, menacing looking villain
Just go read the books.. Sauron could once transform into the greatest werewolf ever known, was the one who created werewolves, could transform into a vampire, could take fair forms, he was a maiar originally, corrupted by the first dark lord morgoth. I mean there is so much about him in the books. He was definitely never a fighter
I would love to see a movie series on the Silmarillion, but made in the early 00's. If it was made today it'd be full of woke heresy to the original work. It'd like LOTR cranked to 11.
What an AMAZING video! Rich lore, and great explanations. So many things in The Tolkien universe make so much more sense to me now! Great work, greatly appreciated!
Yeah, Halbrand in the show. Anybody who sees him knew it was going to be him from the start on. The only white capable man who is not a dofus or coward in a feminist power fantasy. hence had to be evil.
It did fit him. He who arises in might, and he was mighty... at least once upon a time. He was named Morgoth, in sindarin "black foe of the world" when the noldor went to war with him.
Are you sure that he deviated from Eru's purpose?. That's how Eru created him, Eru knew exactly how things would turn up. Because, even if Melkor was twisted by jealousy, grief and wrath, he still came from Eru, because that's how Eru created him. Mightiest amongst the Valars, proud and fierce.
@@TheH8redd maybe I interpreted incorrectly. But that’s how it fit in my head. Here’s some excerpts Then Morgoth turned upon Hurin, and he said: "Fool, little among Men, and they are the least of all that speak! Have you seen the Valar, or measured the power of Manwe and Varda? Do you know the reach of their thought? Or do you think, perhaps, that their thought is upon you, and that they may shield you from afar?" " I know not," said Hurin. "Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures." You say it," said Morgoth. "I am the Elder King: Melkor, first and mightiest of the Valar, who was before the world, and made it. The shadow of my purpose lies upon Arda, and all that is in it bends slowly and surely to my will. But upon all whom you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of Doom, and it shall bring them down into darkness and despair. Wherever they go, evil shall arise. Whenever they speak, their words shall bring ill counsel. Whatsoever they do shall turn against them. They shall die without hope, cursing both life and death."” “… "You shall see and you shall confess that I do not lie," said Morgoth. And taking Hurin back to Angband he set him in a chair of stone upon a high place of Thangorodrim, from which he could see afar the land of Hithlum in the west and the lands of Beleriand to the south. There he was bound by the power of Morgoth; and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again and set his power upon him, so that he could not move from that place, or die, until Morgoth should release him. "Sit now there," said Morgoth,"and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom you have delivered to me. For you have dared to mock me, and have questioned the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes you shall see, and with my ears you shall hear, and nothing shall be hidden from you."” So, it is quite clear that Melkor does not accept the name that Feanor laid upon him, even though all the non-evil entities of the world decided to use it.
I wish the Werewolf/Vampire concept from Tolkien as well as Dragons other than Smaug had been incorporated. While I am a complete fan of the epic trilogies... Hobit/Lord of the rings. I was left wanting for more and deeper content. I wish some ambitious director would take on Silmarillion and all three ages of middle earth from a full fleshed out set of films using the full compendium of beings, Races and Monsters... Before I die... and Im already old
I wish we could've seen more of Sauron. Undoubtedly one of the best villains ever created, but the extremely limited screen time he has, to me it just wasn't enough. I've never read the books so I don't know how much on-page time he has, but damn I wanted to see more of him. More of his history or even an origin story. Probably gonna read the books sometime soon.
@@dendrien I'm not too big into shows, I'm more of a movie guy. I don't like having to wait an entire season or a few months time to find out a storyline.
What would be cool is if they made a game where you could play as him in Middle Earth. Just slicing through enemies with his mace. Increase his power though through the game and end it with max power and the ability to take out an army with ease. Kind of make it like a Middle Earth skill tree system where when you level up, you get a point but the skills tremendously help you once purchase one.
@@deenisburgess7973 Both series top notch but the only issue was both of them finished pretty fast, i'd love to see a game like that with Sandbox rules
Sauron is not supposed to be the protagonist. They shouldn't have made a show where all the other characters are nasty in the extreme, and Sauron is the only likable character. Also the only competent, strong male character at all.
Melkor did not adopt the name Morgoth, or in full, Morgoth Bauglir "Dark Enemy - The Constrainer", it is Sindarin Elvish and was bestowed on him by the Elves of Middle Earth.
@@gpwnedable No, it is Sindarin. Morgoth Bauglir is Sindarin in form, shown by its Welsh-like appearance, rather than the Finnish/Latin appearance of Quenya. I cannot recall if Feanor knew Sindarin at the time, I suspect not. Feanor's original was Moriñgotto or Moriñgotho in Quenya.
@@muttleyjones2 Moriñgotto or Moriñgotho is in another of Christopher Tolkien's compilations of his father's unpublished works. However, it does not change the fact that Morgoth Bauglir is Sindarin.
@@urseliusurgel4365 You do know what the unpublished works are, don't you? They are the rough outlines of a story that isn't the finished product. The published work states that Feanor named him Morgoth after he slew the two trees and Feanor's father. Since they were in Valinor and had no contact with the Sindar at that time, it isn't Sindar.
The Nazgul did not "don" the humans' rings of power--they had had them as men, then the rings were later put aside under Sauron's control. Sauron had the Nazgul enthralled--he didn't need to use the rings to control them any more. The nine rings of power were not present with the Nazgul.
sauron is kind lord always look into the stars and universe to prove others that middle earth can be like valinor that nothing dies in middle earth but his master is seeking destruction and death
Thankyou. I tried really hard with the pronunciations, did tons of research and listened to a expert to learn how to pronounce the words of the Black Speech.
If Sauron ever had a son of his own, I had liked him to have his father's old name as Mairon. Would be pretty perfect. So the 3rd Dark Lord would be Mairon son of Sauron. It doesnt have to be a biological son but an adopted. Or the Chosen one to become the next Dark Lord.
04:00 f _... took up the name 'Morgoth' ..._ No, he didn't. He always called himself 'Melkor', and so did Sauron when he seduced all of Númenor to Melkorism, the cult of Melkor. He received the name 'Morgoth' by the elf Féanor after murdering his father and stealing the Silmarils.
Its so cool from you to guide new viewers with the story of Sauron, thank you. I'm so tired of other videos just throwing hate to "the rings of power" just because Sauron was shown from another perspective before going back to being evil. I mean there other scenes in the show as well that are beautifully performed such as the chants of female dwarves in the cave..that got me chills, not to mention I got to see the dwarves cave and I'm so glad I got to see Numeror when this land existed.
I am pretty sure the criticisms for Sauron's story arc from the show goes beyond just being a different perspective. I've seen some really good adaptations of where characters and events were told from a different perspective as well, but they were done to still work with the existing lore. The problem with this reimagining of Sauron is that it also affects characters and events that led up to the story that it's supposed to be a prequel to. For example, Galadriel didn't have a hand in Sauron turning evil, because if she did, then her roles and actions for the next thousands of years wouldn't add up. That's a big misstep in the writing, as it involves two central characters from the whole story. Sauron being in the form of Halbrand would have been fine, had they not chosen to make it so Galadriel would be responsible for him turning evil. I think the show did some things well. I personally liked the dwarves a whole lot, especially Disa. She just had an air about her that made her a really good dwarf lady. Queen Miriel was exceptional too, IMO, and I enjoyed the Harfoots even though apparently a lot of people didn't lol So I think it's completely fine to enjoy the show. But I can also give credence to the criticisms and I think it's important not to dismiss them as shallow opinions just because it doesn't coincide with how we feel.
Tough crap. Tolkien made the books and the writers did what thry did to be spiteful. They release the rings of wokeness on the anniversary of tolkiens death
Melkor rabel against Illuvatar and pick up the name Morgoth? Man...... Explain people that Melkor is god of darknes who was cursed by the elves with name Morgoth! Sauron was MAYAR just a bit lesser spirith from VALAR and he was Melkor's right hand....... missleading content in this video. Guy dont know the subject he took 👎👎👎👎
I used to like this stuff as a kid but listening to all these adults arguing about Tolkiens made up elvish is hilarious. Better to have knowledge and understanding of the original Indo-European mythology of gods v demons. The Ramayana is a good start.
Gollum’s wife, Ilonel (?). Where did you find this, please? I only find mention of an elf wife named Undómiel. I’m puzzled. “Execute him”?? When was Gollum ever executed ??!
Virtuous and uncorrupted, just as Eru had made him...If Eru were a timeless and omniscient being he would know that Morgoth would fuck up. That suggests that Eru was incompetent or at least lazy.
In Peter Jackson's adaptation of The Return Of The King, Gollum didn't tripped and fell into the Cracks of Doom along with the Ring, Frodo Baggins grabbed Gollum and threw him down to the Cracks of Doom while trying to reclaim the Ring in another struggle and eventually and nearly threw himself down there too but clinged on to the ledge while Gollum and the Ring fell into the Cracks of Doom and perished.
I wish they did Morgoth first before going into this series. That would have helped explain the history of Sauron. Besides we already have like 4 or 5 movies of Sauron as the villain in one form or another.
I mean kinds true but not really I agree definitely should have went on morgoth and then the rest but as far as 4 to 5 movies true but not true I better statement would be we got semi acquainted in those movies but we never true get anything good or saw anything truly good from sauron scene wise there needs to be more
Do NOT ever make any reference to Amazons mockery of Tolkiens work when trying to discuss middle earth lore. Not only is Rings of Power not canon, but in many cases is the exact opposite of what Tolkien wrote. The Amazon show runners and producer are not Tolkien fans, nor are they versed on middle earth lore. They just paid for the right to use the Tolkien brand and created a story that was not Tolkien. Never ever refer to Amazons abomination.
Hmmm title seems too over-exaggerated for Sauron don’t you think, The Devil who tore apart Tolkien verse? Lol a title like that alone would only go to the OG Dark Lord Melkor/Morgoth since he is the ultimate villain of Tolkien verse aka Legendarium not mention he cause way way much more devastating chaos and destruction in his wake on Middle-Earth than Sauron ever did I’d say Morgoth is literal Devil himself while Sauron is like the Anti-Christ
@@johnkamadeva4747 I couldn't agree more. Morgoth managed to escape from the Halls of Manwe the first time the Valar caught him,which is why he was imprisoned in the Void the second time around.
Melkor was not initially loyal to eru. Right from the start of the song of creation he was weaving in his own tunes and sowinh discord, laying to waste the designs of the other valar following erus song. And he didn't take up the name Morgoth that was the name Feanor gave him after melkor stole his silmarils and ran off to middle earth. Jeezus. At least read the cliff notes before deciding to make a video
He didn't took up the name of Morgoth it was given to him by Feanor by cursing him for stealing the silmarilions. And for the record the Tv sires are not even considered canon at all due to its messed up writing etc. (and most Tolkien fans and P.J fans agree on that fact)
That is very interesting character of sauron ever shown, he's going to be in death battle and I think his opponent will be the Lich King (world of Warcraft), I don't know what his capabilities are but I believe if the matchup is happening on season 9 it's going to be quite interesting
Sauron had many names: Mairon, Annatar, Artano, Aulendil, Gorthaur, and Zigûr and as Sauron prohibited his acolytes from ever speaking his name aloud. In a way, he was perverted by Melkor into being the baddie he became. He was all about his appearance whether it was powerful, generous, or wise. As a side note, Sauron was the same as the Balrogs, both Maiar when they were created by Eru Iluvatar. Until he discovered the dissonance that gave him power, he was at the same rank as Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast and the other unnamed two Istari. Given how many times he deceived the most holy, high-born, royal and wisest of all Eru Iluvatar's creations, he must have had a remarkable power to persuade and seduce and in so doing, harness the power of creation in all its forms. Such a being is worth discovering no matter how many putrid things he did. It also demonstrated the balance of Middle-earth, the yin/yang of creation.
Having now listened to this again, I find a lot of things not quite right. I'll start with something simple: learn how to pronounce Westernesse and Sindarin, please. As part of Tolkien's prodigious legendarium, he made several entire languages, Westernesse, or common speech, and Sindarin among them. The Lossoth of Forochel also had their own language as did the Dwarves, but Professor Tolkien didn't flesh out this one for us to learn, When you've at least gotten the pronunciation correct, learn some Black Speech. At least the Ring Poem, please. If you're going to nerd this out, Sindarin and Qenya are the basis of the Black Speech. Learn that one and you've learned the other. Please.
Reading LOTR, Silmarillion, etc ... & even GOT, & also watching the media- movies, shows, etc... made me realize that i know way more about characters, wars, geography, and so on ... about these imagined worlds, than the one i actually live in, & am a part of, that it sparked a whole new interest in me, for history, maps & geography, important people..... In my own life/reality. This realization was profound, & changed me, & opened me up to so much more to learn & experience, & i swear, increased my knowledge, in general.
Melkor never took the name of Morgoth. He never named himself like that, not even once.... The name Morgoth Bauglir was given to him by the elf Feanor after Melkor, with the help of Ungoliant, destroyed the 2 trees of Valinor, killed his father, Finwe, and stole the Silmarils. Morgoth means, in Sindarin, the Dark Ennemy of the World. Melkor always thought he was the rightfull King of Arda, not its ennemi. From the Silmarilion, Quote: "At Formenos Melkor slew Finwë and ravished the treasury of Fëanor, including the Silmarils. Then he passed over the icy Helcaraxë, entering once more into Middle-earth. He had struck swiftly and surely. Fëanor cursed him, naming him Morgoth, and by that name he was known ever after to the Eldar." Melkor never used that name, although he knew that it was how the Noldors named him. Another misconception here. Sauron participated in the crafting of the 9 and the 7, but he was totally unaware of the 3. He became aware of the 3 only after crafting the One. But the elves saw his deception, and removed their ring ( Although it has never been made clear if the elves wore those rings before the One was created.) But one thing is for sure, Sauron never saw or touched the 3 rings the elves had made. Darn, get your Lore right... please.
And in spite of all Sauron's machinations, he still fell before the power of Narsil, Gondor, Rohan, & the Elves. TWICE. I admit I would've loved a Thranduil vs Sauron one-on-one. Galadriel kicked Sauron's ass in a pissed off moment. I suspect Thranduil is equally, if differently, powerful.
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My teen just watched The Lord of the Rings Trilogy with me recently, and she was struck at how much Tolkien's work has inspired other books like the Harry Potter series, for example. She said that the concept of horcruxes in the Potter series was a direct rip off from Sauron and the One Ring.
I disagree with that sentiment. I think the various similarities you point out about Harry Potter is rooted in mythology and made up creatures. But Harry Potter is STILL a great story.
I would substitute the words "direct rip off" and replace them with the words "primary source of inspiration" because even Mr. Tolkien, as wonderful a storyteller as he undoubtedly was, was inspired by various stories and whatnot before sitting down and conceptualizing the Lord of the Rings universe.
@@jakebritton9709 yes, I love the Harry Potter series, as does my daughter.
A very based opinion since lord of the rings, dune are all the forefathers of what fantasy writing literature.. Its more of homage than a rip off
I'm so sad these days most kids see Harry Potter but not LOTR
The devil who tore apart the Tolkien verse...I think you must be talking about Jeff bezos
Your videos are great! I love your knowledge of it all! Thank you
Morgoth was more the devil of Tolkien universe then Sauron. And he was banished into the void by Eru the god of Tolkien universe.
Not by Eru, by the Valar. Eru only ever intervened once, when the Numenoreans attacked Valinor.
And given the facts given, the ring is clearly a horcrux.
How is one enigmatic and straight-forward?
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Morgoth was far more powerful, but completely psychotic. Sauron was far less powerful, but far more patient, focused and cunning.
Morgoth's primary motivation was spite. He could not create, so he wanted to spoil and desecrate the creations of others, especially those of Eru. Sauron's primary motivation was domination, he wished to control others utterly and be worshipped by them.
That makes Sauron ten times more dangerous/powerful than Morgoth. You don't take over the world by trying to kill anyone who opposes you, you first get them to kill off each other before they even realize you're the villain. It's a tried and true strategy that the ruling class has been using to keep the the other 98% in check since time immemorial
Yet they end up doing very similar things 😂
At the end I think they’d be pretty even based on their tendencies. Morgoth is strong but sauron probably would have an army that he was keeping in his back pocket just in case
Morgoth became a coward by the end of his reign as dark lord Sauron did lead battles but was not very strong but was extremely cunning and a great tactician
Sauron is more of an Antichrist, while his master Morgoth is the Devil himself
Na he's more of a top demon that serves, the anti-christ come directly from the devil , Sauron is only a servant, that was corrupted.
Less Lucifer and more Loki?
@@compareandcontrast9833 loki was never evil... maybe grey but not black. That is christian propaganda.
@Héctor G. Vega I've seen him compared to mammon, the lord of greed. Some others compared him to Lucifer, with morgoth being Satan.
@@inspectorlunge3887 ... Lucifer IS Satan.
I'm surprised that Amazon's rings of power didn't use rings from cracker jacks boxes. They messed up everything else🤣
give me half the money used for that show and 100 Tolkien Nerds and i will give you a decent depiction of Middle Earth.
Pure propaganda. All Sauron wanted was his ring back. They cut off his finger, stole his ring, plotted to kill him and then destroyed his life force. Whose the victim here?
It is amazing how much backstory Tolkien created. Literally one man's own universe!
And now Amazon is destroying it al
@@darthcrowley5561 In your mind it's destroying in your Sad twisted Mind.
@@darthcrowley5561 what a nerd. you make me want to cry.
@@isaiahkayode6526 its a fact, nobody like it. Its GARBAGE.
@@Givemeabreak-56 this comment will age like milk ^^
A small correction: at ~4:05, you say that Melkor "took up the name Morgoth," but that's inaccurate. Upon learning that Melkor had killed his father and stolen the Silmarils, Feanor gave him that name when he cursed him before Manwe. "Morgoth" means "the Black Foe of the World."
Yes! After killing Finwe, stealing the Silmarils, and destroying the two trees Feanor did rename him. In Sindarin…Morgoth also means Dark Enemy. The elves only referred to him by his new name afterward as he was not worthy of his origin name. I love that you know this!!!
@@gennyconolley2001 fun fact: Sauron used to be a servant of Aule, as was Saruman...
They need to do a solo movie for him
Yea
He didn’t “take up the name Morgoth.” His name is Melkor. The name Morgoth was used of him by his enemies.
27:45 Packed with recognizable characters? I don't think so. Can't recall a character like Guyladrielle in the books!
Because of the new Lord Of The Rings show on Prime Video it’s been interesting to me to see that Sauron was different to how he displayed in the Lord Of The Rings film as tv series is set a long time before The Hobbit where the Elves have a massive war with the Orcs for hundreds of years (200yr I think, not certain on timeline) but you see Sauron as a warrior/wizard/humanoid figure & commander of the Orcs and not as an all seeing eye. I don’t know much about Sauron so I’m looking forward to seeing this video as well as more of the tv show/Prime Video show
Galadriel created sauron
Wait for season 2 of rings of power to get the story Tolkien really meant to be heard of diversity an inequality.
Although the show precedes the movies, I'd personally consider Amazon's version of Sauron to be a completely different character. The show deviates a lot from the actual lore. The LotR movies made some changes too, but still kept a lot of the important themes/characters/events of the stories, while the show changes all of those things. So just fyi--consider the show as like a parallel universe of Tolkien's stories, as opposed to an actual representation of them.
spoiler: sauron was one of three fallen "angels" in tolkien's legendarium.
Terrible ,terrible show
Sauron is more of an Antichrist, while his master Morgoth is the Devil himself
Amazon turned him into Eminem..
Amazon reimagined tranzing the real slim shady… 🤦🏿♂️
For such a iconic villain it is ironic how limited screen time we got to see and know him, but never really got his true origins. I think we should get an entire show around him and his origin, to Finally to get to know such a formidable, menacing looking villain
Just go read the books.. Sauron could once transform into the greatest werewolf ever known, was the one who created werewolves, could transform into a vampire, could take fair forms, he was a maiar originally, corrupted by the first dark lord morgoth. I mean there is so much about him in the books. He was definitely never a fighter
I would love to see a movie series on the Silmarillion, but made in the early 00's. If it was made today it'd be full of woke heresy to the original work. It'd like LOTR cranked to 11.
That's what made him so mysterious though, same thing with the first alien movie.
That's what I liked , the less we see of him the better , just that aura of mystery surrounding him
We have his origins. He was a literal fallen angel. A demon.
I'd say he's more like Loki and that he turned the world against itself. Morgoth literally tore it apart. Still good video.👍
My problem with videos like this is that you’re lost when they get into a bunch of lore dumping. Ease me into it dammit lol, I still am interested
Another problem is that he gets a lot wrong.
What an AMAZING video! Rich lore, and great explanations. So many things in The Tolkien universe make so much more sense to me now! Great work, greatly appreciated!
Yeah, Halbrand in the show. Anybody who sees him knew it was going to be him from the start on. The only white capable man who is not a dofus or coward in a feminist power fantasy. hence had to be evil.
Small detail. Melkor didn’t name himself Morgoth. He was renamed due to his deviation from Eru purpose. The name Melkor didn’t “fit” anymore
It did fit him. He who arises in might, and he was mighty... at least once upon a time. He was named Morgoth, in sindarin "black foe of the world" when the noldor went to war with him.
Are you sure that he deviated from Eru's purpose?. That's how Eru created him, Eru knew exactly how things would turn up. Because, even if Melkor was twisted by jealousy, grief and wrath, he still came from Eru, because that's how Eru created him. Mightiest amongst the Valars, proud and fierce.
@@TheH8redd maybe I interpreted incorrectly. But that’s how it fit in my head.
Here’s some excerpts
Then Morgoth turned upon Hurin, and he said: "Fool, little among Men, and they are the least of all that speak! Have you seen the Valar, or measured the power of Manwe and Varda? Do you know the reach of their thought? Or do you think, perhaps, that their thought is upon you, and that they may shield you from afar?"
" I know not," said Hurin. "Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures."
You say it," said Morgoth. "I am the Elder King: Melkor, first and mightiest of the Valar, who was before the world, and made it. The shadow of my purpose lies upon Arda, and all that is in it bends slowly and surely to my will. But upon all whom you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of Doom, and it shall bring them down into darkness and despair. Wherever they go, evil shall arise. Whenever they speak, their words shall bring ill counsel. Whatsoever they do shall turn against them. They shall die without hope, cursing both life and death."”
“… "You shall see and you shall confess that I do not lie," said Morgoth. And taking Hurin back to Angband he set him in a chair of stone upon a high place of Thangorodrim, from which he could see afar the land of Hithlum in the west and the lands of Beleriand to the south. There he was bound by the power of Morgoth; and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again and set his power upon him, so that he could not move from that place, or die, until Morgoth should release him.
"Sit now there," said Morgoth,"and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom you have delivered to me. For you have dared to mock me, and have questioned the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes you shall see, and with my ears you shall hear, and nothing shall be hidden from you."”
So, it is quite clear that Melkor does not accept the name that Feanor laid upon him, even though all the non-evil entities of the world decided to use it.
Gandalf was placed on Middle-earth to combat Sauron
I wish the Werewolf/Vampire concept from Tolkien as well as Dragons other than Smaug had been incorporated.
While I am a complete fan of the epic trilogies... Hobit/Lord of the rings. I was left wanting for more and deeper content.
I wish some ambitious director would take on Silmarillion and all three ages of middle earth from a full fleshed out set of films using the full compendium of beings, Races and Monsters...
Before I die... and Im already old
Fr! I've always wanted to see a show or movie covering the dragons and the great war(mostly because I want to see Ancalagon the Black)
I wish we could've seen more of Sauron. Undoubtedly one of the best villains ever created, but the extremely limited screen time he has, to me it just wasn't enough. I've never read the books so I don't know how much on-page time he has, but damn I wanted to see more of him. More of his history or even an origin story. Probably gonna read the books sometime soon.
the silmarillion has his entire history first 1st and 2nd age. now ive youve seen the Rings of power. The book will shock you
@@dendrien haven't watched one episode of that show yet
@@sevenwhatuknow good. for those who read the books or even seen LOTR it is agony. both story and character vice.
@@dendrien I'm not too big into shows, I'm more of a movie guy. I don't like having to wait an entire season or a few months time to find out a storyline.
then watch moviejoob react to the real lore done by the greatest channels here on youtube. there is ALOT more of him!
Morgoth was the real villain
Too bad Amazon took a massive steaming dump on Tolkien's work. Disgraceful and demeaning to OG material. Amazon's RoP is a terrible fan faction.
Wow..an immense amount of lore in one video! Amazing!
What would be cool is if they made a game where you could play as him in Middle Earth. Just slicing through enemies with his mace. Increase his power though through the game and end it with max power and the ability to take out an army with ease. Kind of make it like a Middle Earth skill tree system where when you level up, you get a point but the skills tremendously help you once purchase one.
Id play
Yea close as we get to any of that is the middle earth shadow of Mordor and shadow of war between sauron and celebrimbor
@@deenisburgess7973 Both series top notch but the only issue was both of them finished pretty fast, i'd love to see a game like that with Sandbox rules
Battle of middle earth 2 RTS style you can play as either side and conquer middle earth.
Grav ham lol
So, basically, Sauron was disembodied, a bit like Voldemort at the start of the Harry Potter series and the ring of power was a bit like a horcrux.
Except LOTR is first, so Harry Potter did a copy 😺
Sauron is not supposed to be the protagonist. They shouldn't have made a show where all the other characters are nasty in the extreme, and Sauron is the only likable character. Also the only competent, strong male character at all.
Melkor did not adopt the name Morgoth, or in full, Morgoth Bauglir "Dark Enemy - The Constrainer", it is Sindarin Elvish and was bestowed on him by the Elves of Middle Earth.
Quenya. It was given to him by Feanor.
@@gpwnedable No, it is Sindarin. Morgoth Bauglir is Sindarin in form, shown by its Welsh-like appearance, rather than the Finnish/Latin appearance of Quenya. I cannot recall if Feanor knew Sindarin at the time, I suspect not. Feanor's original was Moriñgotto or Moriñgotho in Quenya.
@@urseliusurgel4365 That's not what Tolkien wrote in the Silmarillion.
@@muttleyjones2 Moriñgotto or Moriñgotho is in another of Christopher Tolkien's compilations of his father's unpublished works. However, it does not change the fact that Morgoth Bauglir is Sindarin.
@@urseliusurgel4365 You do know what the unpublished works are, don't you? They are the rough outlines of a story that isn't the finished product. The published work states that Feanor named him Morgoth after he slew the two trees and Feanor's father. Since they were in Valinor and had no contact with the Sindar at that time, it isn't Sindar.
If you pay attention he says Sauran can't be killed by fire arms.Did I miss something like guns in lord of the rings?lol!
Morgoth was definitely the ultimate evil of Middle-Earth; Sauron was his shoe shine boy.
Not even close, he wasn't named Gorthaur and Sauron by the Elves for nothing!
Melkor/Morgoth called....He wants his title back
He was...is...and forever will be the ultimate monstrosity to ever walk middle Earth or Arda
This one gets it. ☝🏿
Yeah… compared to Morgoth Sauron doesn’t have much on Morgoth. After all, Sauron is nothing but a servant to Morgoth.
I don't know about you but I do love Sauron and Morgoth I love darkness!
Seek help
Stop injecting estrogen. It is making you emotional.
@@logiconlifesupport1899 You seek help for you have not grown enough to consider not every one has to think like you!
@@friendlypedokiller3026 I have got plenty testosterone if you need an injection
@@countvolkihar566 tell yourself whatever you need to hear, beta boy. 👉🏿👌🏿
Yes, you may love darkness. But you obviously hate commas and periods.
the series mentioned is so bad its not possible to actually watch it with human eyes...
Oh cool very interesting awesome video
He was way more powerful than I thought especially knowing now that he was the Lord of Gifs lol haha
Thanks for explaining all of this about The Lord of The Rings I really appreciate this
Hold on, the figure that appears as a man in Jackson's LOTR, Is the Witch king of Angmar He leads the ring wraiths and Sauron's army
The Nazgul did not "don" the humans' rings of power--they had had them as men, then the rings were later put aside under Sauron's control. Sauron had the Nazgul enthralled--he didn't need to use the rings to control them any more. The nine rings of power were not present with the Nazgul.
This guy is a lord of the rings villain icon.
sauron is kind lord always look into the stars and universe to prove others that middle earth can be like valinor that nothing dies in middle earth but his master is seeking destruction and death
Just be sure to never use Amazon's lore as canon to the LoTR's saga.
This reminds me of the Lich King,
Thank you for being able to pronounce names correctly and your black speech was incredible
Thankyou. I tried really hard with the pronunciations, did tons of research and listened to a expert to learn how to pronounce the words of the Black Speech.
@@TerryOnTuesday if you ever have more videos tolken untangled on UA-cam is one of my favorites
why do u need to ask us to sub etc? IT IS 2022, EVERY PERSON ON THIS FUCKING PLANET ARE TIRED TO HEAR THAT............................
9:28 what's that clip from?
If Sauron ever had a son of his own, I had liked him to have his father's old name as Mairon. Would be pretty perfect. So the 3rd Dark Lord would be Mairon son of Sauron. It doesnt have to be a biological son but an adopted. Or the Chosen one to become the next Dark Lord.
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_... took up the name 'Morgoth' ..._
No, he didn't. He always called himself 'Melkor', and so did Sauron when he seduced all of Númenor to Melkorism, the cult of Melkor.
He received the name 'Morgoth' by the elf Féanor after murdering his father and stealing the Silmarils.
Its so cool from you to guide new viewers with the story of Sauron, thank you. I'm so tired of other videos just throwing hate to "the rings of power" just because Sauron was shown from another perspective before going back to being evil. I mean there other scenes in the show as well that are beautifully performed such as the chants of female dwarves in the cave..that got me chills, not to mention I got to see the dwarves cave and I'm so glad I got to see Numeror when this land existed.
I am pretty sure the criticisms for Sauron's story arc from the show goes beyond just being a different perspective. I've seen some really good adaptations of where characters and events were told from a different perspective as well, but they were done to still work with the existing lore. The problem with this reimagining of Sauron is that it also affects characters and events that led up to the story that it's supposed to be a prequel to. For example, Galadriel didn't have a hand in Sauron turning evil, because if she did, then her roles and actions for the next thousands of years wouldn't add up. That's a big misstep in the writing, as it involves two central characters from the whole story. Sauron being in the form of Halbrand would have been fine, had they not chosen to make it so Galadriel would be responsible for him turning evil.
I think the show did some things well. I personally liked the dwarves a whole lot, especially Disa. She just had an air about her that made her a really good dwarf lady. Queen Miriel was exceptional too, IMO, and I enjoyed the Harfoots even though apparently a lot of people didn't lol So I think it's completely fine to enjoy the show. But I can also give credence to the criticisms and I think it's important not to dismiss them as shallow opinions just because it doesn't coincide with how we feel.
Tough crap. Tolkien made the books and the writers did what thry did to be spiteful. They release the rings of wokeness on the anniversary of tolkiens death
Melkor rabel against Illuvatar and pick up the name Morgoth?
Man...... Explain people that Melkor is god of darknes who was cursed by the elves with name Morgoth! Sauron was MAYAR just a bit lesser spirith from VALAR and he was Melkor's right hand....... missleading content in this video. Guy dont know the subject he took 👎👎👎👎
Not Toklien not canon......
If they just had a movie called Sauron done WELL without all this WOKE crap it would be a blockbuster
I used to like this stuff as a kid but listening to all these adults arguing about Tolkiens made up elvish is hilarious.
Better to have knowledge and understanding of the original Indo-European mythology of gods v demons.
The Ramayana is a good start.
Gollum’s wife, Ilonel (?). Where did you find this, please? I only find mention of an elf wife named Undómiel. I’m puzzled. “Execute him”?? When was Gollum ever executed ??!
I thought the Númenóreans, had fought against Melkor. Not with him.
Well the rings of power made him an incel also it doesn't take place in any time period of tolkien's work
Virtuous and uncorrupted, just as Eru had made him...If Eru were a timeless and omniscient being he would know that Morgoth would fuck up. That suggests that Eru was incompetent or at least lazy.
In Peter Jackson's adaptation of The Return Of The King, Gollum didn't tripped and fell into the Cracks of Doom along with the Ring, Frodo Baggins grabbed Gollum and threw him down to the Cracks of Doom while trying to reclaim the Ring in another struggle and eventually and nearly threw himself down there too but clinged on to the ledge while Gollum and the Ring fell into the Cracks of Doom and perished.
I wish they did Morgoth first before going into this series. That would have helped explain the history of Sauron. Besides we already have like 4 or 5 movies of Sauron as the villain in one form or another.
I mean kinds true but not really I agree definitely should have went on morgoth and then the rest but as far as 4 to 5 movies true but not true I better statement would be we got semi acquainted in those movies but we never true get anything good or saw anything truly good from sauron scene wise there needs to be more
They did
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I am the dark lord 💍
Do NOT ever make any reference to Amazons mockery of Tolkiens work when trying to discuss middle earth lore. Not only is Rings of Power not canon, but in many cases is the exact opposite of what Tolkien wrote. The Amazon show runners and producer are not Tolkien fans, nor are they versed on middle earth lore. They just paid for the right to use the Tolkien brand and created a story that was not Tolkien. Never ever refer to Amazons abomination.
Thank You for an Interesting presentation.. I’m off to purchase the Silmarillion!
Hmmm title seems too over-exaggerated for Sauron don’t you think, The Devil who tore apart Tolkien verse? Lol a title like that alone would only go to the OG Dark Lord Melkor/Morgoth since he is the ultimate villain of Tolkien verse aka Legendarium not mention he cause way way much more devastating chaos and destruction in his wake on Middle-Earth than Sauron ever did
I’d say Morgoth is literal Devil himself while Sauron is like the Anti-Christ
Sauron is but a shadow of his master,Morgoth.
@@Rellana1 true but he is still not the devil, Tolkien made it clear that the only devil in his works is Morgoth alone
@@johnkamadeva4747 I couldn't agree more. Morgoth managed to escape from the Halls of Manwe the first time the Valar caught him,which is why he was imprisoned in the Void the second time around.
Im just here to say Rings of Power is trash and should be thrown out, never to be heard from again.
Vengeful entity not devil . Morgoth or Sauron. Just a dark side of divine being . Envy , hate and other mortal sins of others .
Melkor was not initially loyal to eru. Right from the start of the song of creation he was weaving in his own tunes and sowinh discord, laying to waste the designs of the other valar following erus song. And he didn't take up the name Morgoth that was the name Feanor gave him after melkor stole his silmarils and ran off to middle earth. Jeezus. At least read the cliff notes before deciding to make a video
He didn't took up the name of Morgoth it was given to him by Feanor by cursing him for stealing the silmarilions. And for the record the Tv sires are not even considered canon at all due to its messed up writing etc. (and most Tolkien fans and P.J fans agree on that fact)
Blossoming farts in the wind. Hobbits and elves and Aragorn took him out.
Yeah cause sacrificing people in a pit doesn't mean your evil, it's just another form of control is all.
I regret reading Sauron's wiki beforehand because this video is verbatim.
wow so weird at around twelve minutes in my house had like a mini brown out or something. Guess I'll never know what was written on the ring.
i wonder how many have already realized that Tolkien wasn't telling a "fairytale"
You repeated yourself a little bit but this is super in depth.
Basically The Bible novel is an earlier version of the lord of the rings novels
Amazon show is so bad. They could have followed Jackson's lead.
New drinking game, take a shot every time he says “Rings of power”
Well he wasn't called Halbrand at anytime nor took human form.
I guess now he has seen the thing. You know, the thing, by 4mazon. Don't want to have to think about it.
That is very interesting character of sauron ever shown, he's going to be in death battle and I think his opponent will be the Lich King (world of Warcraft), I don't know what his capabilities are but I believe if the matchup is happening on season 9 it's going to be quite interesting
What in the fuck?
This does not count as a backstory or Origins the show is trash meant to destroy the franchise
Rings of Powertrip is an Abomination.
Sauron had many names: Mairon, Annatar, Artano, Aulendil, Gorthaur, and Zigûr and as Sauron prohibited his acolytes from ever speaking his name aloud. In a way, he was perverted by Melkor into being the baddie he became. He was all about his appearance whether it was powerful, generous, or wise. As a side note, Sauron was the same as the Balrogs, both Maiar when they were created by Eru Iluvatar. Until he discovered the dissonance that gave him power, he was at the same rank as Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast and the other unnamed two Istari. Given how many times he deceived the most holy, high-born, royal and wisest of all Eru Iluvatar's creations, he must have had a remarkable power to persuade and seduce and in so doing, harness the power of creation in all its forms. Such a being is worth discovering no matter how many putrid things he did. It also demonstrated the balance of Middle-earth, the yin/yang of creation.
Having now listened to this again, I find a lot of things not quite right. I'll start with something simple: learn how to pronounce Westernesse and Sindarin, please. As part of Tolkien's prodigious legendarium, he made several entire languages, Westernesse, or common speech, and Sindarin among them. The Lossoth of Forochel also had their own language as did the Dwarves, but Professor Tolkien didn't flesh out this one for us to learn, When you've at least gotten the pronunciation correct, learn some Black Speech. At least the Ring Poem, please. If you're going to nerd this out, Sindarin and Qenya are the basis of the Black Speech. Learn that one and you've learned the other. Please.
Great video! Rings of power is utter garbage however
confusing Utumno and Angband.... geez!
You should repeat things more and use a computer voice
What is the name of the game you are clipping in the video?
If it's not written by Tolkien then it's not relevant.
You had such a good hope for Rings of Power, the depth you express here would of been so amazing if you could give guidance.
Thanks for video. Awesome
first 5 minutes and im already so fuckin lost
Reading LOTR, Silmarillion, etc ... & even GOT, & also watching the media- movies, shows, etc...
made me realize that i know way more about characters, wars, geography, and so on ... about these imagined worlds, than the one i actually live in, & am a part of,
that it sparked a whole new interest in me, for history, maps & geography, important people..... In my own life/reality. This realization was profound, & changed me, & opened me up to so much more to learn & experience, & i swear, increased my knowledge, in general.
Melkor never took the name of Morgoth. He never named himself like that, not even once.... The name Morgoth Bauglir was given to him by the elf Feanor after Melkor, with the help of Ungoliant, destroyed the 2 trees of Valinor, killed his father, Finwe, and stole the Silmarils. Morgoth means, in Sindarin, the Dark Ennemy of the World. Melkor always thought he was the rightfull King of Arda, not its ennemi.
From the Silmarilion, Quote: "At Formenos Melkor slew Finwë and ravished the treasury of Fëanor, including the Silmarils. Then he passed over the icy Helcaraxë, entering once more into Middle-earth. He had struck swiftly and surely. Fëanor cursed him, naming him Morgoth, and by that name he was known ever after to the Eldar."
Melkor never used that name, although he knew that it was how the Noldors named him.
Another misconception here. Sauron participated in the crafting of the 9 and the 7, but he was totally unaware of the 3. He became aware of the 3 only after crafting the One. But the elves saw his deception, and removed their ring ( Although it has never been made clear if the elves wore those rings before the One was created.) But one thing is for sure, Sauron never saw or touched the 3 rings the elves had made.
Darn, get your Lore right... please.
GOOD VIDEO, the detail is nice.
That said, in the first thirty seconds - "...based on the Peter Jackson trilogy of films." What about the books.
And in spite of all Sauron's machinations, he still fell before the power of Narsil, Gondor, Rohan, & the Elves. TWICE. I admit I would've loved a Thranduil vs Sauron one-on-one. Galadriel kicked Sauron's ass in a pissed off moment. I suspect Thranduil is equally, if differently, powerful.
9:28 what's that clip from?
This is during the first age of Middle Earth, taken from the books : The Silmarillion.
@@TheH8reddI mean the clip he used
@@Soccercrazyigboman Oh.. sorry, I mis-understood you.