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Yukong is in denial about Tingyun’s death because her body was never found. Comparing her reaction to that to her reaction to her best friend straight up dying in her arms is kind of an insane take
I agree with this. Completely disingenuous to compare a rumored death to a confirmed one.
But if they are not sure about her death and believe that she is still alive then what was the point of this whole ceremonial burial for her ? Whats the point of organizing funeral if someone is still alive
@@generaltoszur1036 i dont think it was a burial per ce. more like a wish for her safety/ well being.
@@generaltoszur1036Its for closure. If they didn't do a burial ceremony, then a lot of people will be left hanging/wondering, whether their Tingyun is still alive or not. It's more so for the people that are present to move on.
Imagine in real life, a person gone missing for years, and even after police investigation they could not be found, the victim will be 'presume' dead, and a burial ceremony will be made so the victim family can move on. Even if there is no body, even if the victim family still believes that they are alive somewhere.
@@generaltoszur1036 The ceremonial burial isn't just for her tho, it's for everybody who died in this conflict.
We only focus on Tingyun since we technically (not really) did know her.
We do the ceremonial burial for Tinguin because she is most likely death. But we are not sure.
Also I do believe that HSR writes are testing the waters to see how far they can go with character deaths. Witch might be why her death is not confirmed.
Tingyun "death" to me didnt feel like random, the "death" part itself was unexpected, but to that point if you talked to her during the optional dialogues she already said some sus stuff specially after the Ambrosial Arbor appeared. She was already giving vibes to be culprit of the stellaron being there, that being said I did not expect her to snap its neck and banish to the nether in 5 seconds.
i didn't realize that she really died even in that cutscene for some reason, i was something like oh nice head move :)) i didn't even think that was enough to kill her
I think the issue wasn't that the death was random, it was just impactless to the rest of the story. And like u said , even the 'foreshadowing' to her death was in a missable dialogue. And that being said her 'being sus to stellaron' is a problem cuz we never knew whether the real one was like that already or not so we don't know if real would act like that or not
@@issacclarke4194 I just personally don't think we needed to know in advance whether the "real one" would behave like that. I feel it's okay to discover she's a fake when we discover she's a fake. It doesn't need to be told to us before, especially since we can restrictively look back and say "ooohh, that makes sense."
For me, I would be annoyed if there was no evidence of the twist to look back on, not if I missed it until I knew what to look for.
@@mugurel1357I also didn't realize that was supposed to kill her, just be creepy. Then when the body flopped down, I got it.
@@ShadowPhoenix82 Right but imagine in belebog if we didn't get that all back story about cocolia and bronya. Of course these things aren't incredibly important to the plot but it is a story setup to make the pay off moment , i.e the climax or the twist more impactful. The problem with tingyuns twist is that it's supposed to be of great shock and impact but the impact is greatly halved by giving no set up pay off. It's just a wasted opportunity to present the game's first death as just a 'shock value'.
And I didn't even mentioned that a few minutes after the story ends the characters of loufu stops mentioning her death, almost as if it never had impact in the whole plot. By now, it seems no one remembers tingyuns death in loufu. Almost solidifying her death as a device for cheap shock value
I feel like Dan heng was one of the few moments where I really felt that it was rushed, it was actually the only moment that felt rushed
Which is a shame because it’s such a big character moment that I wish we had been given more time to take in
It did feel a little rushed, but I loved the switching perspectives. Felt like a longform novel with multiple characters' journeys, it was pretty nice. I think if they did that one or two more times, it would have been fine. Also, if his dragon form was free from the story like fire trailblazer is. I was silently hoping you could switch, but then I remembered this is a gacha game and he's a banner character and it disappointed the shit out of me.
The gacha aspects really take me out of these games in moments like that. Its why, for me personally, gacha games always max out at 7/10. The story is in service of selling products instead of in service of telling a good story a lot of the time. Probably why it felt rushed, cause they wanted to sell you his limited banner and not that he's just had a great character moment.
Yeah same, I didn't necessarily feel like most of xianzhou luofu was rushed, it was just not a very interesting story to tell.
@@cerulean5032 That's Because It's Not Finished Yet, They Will Continue It After Penacony, Since We Still Have to Discover Luocha/Otto's Plan Together with the Aeon of Plenty, and We Still Have to Go to the Other 9 Ships of Xianzhou
@AzamaraSehki that's a fair way to interpret it. I really enjoy the story regardless of whether it's a gacha or not, I just have to separate the story and the gameplay. I think Belebog was told perfectly, so the gacha aspect wasn't an excuse then. I think the just fumbled a bit and will do better next time
something wild no one brought up is how fast and awkward the story moved on from killing cocolia, touching amazing story...she explodes, bronya falls to the ground crying and boom time to move on
I did think that moment was a bit awkward but I guess most of us just overlook it because of how well the rest of the mission was done
(It's been 7 months since belobog story, sorry if don't remember correctly)
From what i remember cocolia's death reason was not revealed to the people of belobog, and soon after Bronya became the guardian because cocolia died and did a whole speech for cocolia, and moved on after bcs belobog was in the state of restoration from the fuck upery that happened in the planet, and i think it's perfect that they moved on before it became too long or repetitive and the "moving on" is the aftermath of the fuck ups that happened in belobog and explained a lot of things like the big ass robot which is perfect, because we all thought we'll just move on belobog and get no more further chapter's, basically in anime terms cocolia's death is the conclusion of the anime, and the "moving on" is the spin off that explains unexplained things and also pre-fucked up belobog and it's past with the irs.
Even worse is that they hail Cocolia as a hero, when she's a cruel dictator and genocodial maniac.
@@JonaD757 They did that so the people wouldn't start doubting the guardians. If they did, many of them wouldn't want to follow bronya, making it harder for her to create order and get people to work together and fix all the issues.
The whole of Belobog are literally living in a disaster struck, doomed, closed-of world, slowly dying off with only one city left, as the next guardian, Bronya doesn't have the luxury to mourn
I don't think Tingyun's death was directed towards us which is why it wasn't impactful. All of Tingyun's texts to us in the start were all about Why we were even there and for What reason. We were an unexpected outlier in her plan and wasn't sure if we were trying to interfere into said plan.
She died because our Fox Mommy Yukong needed more emotional dmg than she already had...probably
Poor Yukong, she needs therapy real bad.
I'll be honest, i did not notice that thing in the trailer, but Tingyun has always felt off in the game, like a lot of her dialogue revolved around clinging to life despite her being a supposedly relatively important person in the xianzhou based on how she was introduced, despite the xianzhou's policy being to kill things that would end up living forever. The talk with her after the deer boss really sealed the deal for me tho
I felt the way March 7th changed the topic after Bronyas moms death was so awkward and rushed too. The emotional tension of the moment was completely thrown out the window with that, would have been much better and believable if they sat in the sadness longer.
Like come on, her mom just died and March goes "wew that was a nutty trailblazing mission huh guys? Glad everything turned out amazing woohoo"
On one hand, that makes sense, given Trailblazers are there to integrate and sample a planet's culture without becoming too attached to the planet's affairs. However, until this is brought up as a plot point, it is weird.
There's *zero* reason the Nameless crew would be sad about Cocolia's death. I'm sorry, but "Bronya's mom" is a genocidal maniac.
i didn't care cos the story was so cookie cutter, just a head of state being corrupted by immaterial evil, then you beat them via an undeserved power up, just so unoriginal and unnecesarily drawn out.
Yeah this one was weird af.
The whole point of Phantyllia's infiltration was that she isn't different. She posed as the original Tingyun and no one had a clue. Not even Yukong. Phanty plays such a long game that no one knew when she was switched out. Her symbolic funeral was that even though Yukong said goodbye to her, for now. She's adamant that she's out there somewhere. So the Tingyun we were with, we were supposed to think she is the real one. So having her die, to us was literally having her die in front of us. Only after knowing about Phanty that we know she was replaced somewhen (probably) as per Pahnty's MO.
I don't really think her dying was suppose to give "OH NO MY BEST COMPANION DIED!" and more "OMFG, WTF JUST HAPPENED?" vibes.
This is why I think people saying Tingyun that died was a clone was wrong. It was never stated in 1.3 - 1.4 that the Heliobi can create clones. Then we see in 1.5 that heliobi can make clones but they need to possess the original body to do so(case of Bailu's possession). It would not make sense to use a clone for her plan and it more does not make sense to hide her body after leaving if there was a "real Tingyun"
Yukong tells you herself she is going to personally find out what happened to Tingyun and deal with whoever took her. her actual dialogue is sick but ya she was pissed.
Edit: found Yukongs text > "The Sky-Faring Commission shall never forget you, Tingyun. I will seek out the truth, and if it is discovered that you were taken from us, I swear to avenge your unjust end."
we're not done with the Alliance by any means outside of Tingyun we need to see Jingliu's trial and Luocha do his thin we will be back.
and also some members of the whistling flames are in the actual process of looking for her and retracing her steps since she arrived at the luofu. it'll be funny if mihoyo just brushes that off for the next 3 years or so. She could still be dead but at least they need to return to this story and properly close it
It's not out of nowhere its just people are too dumb to realize all the clue she is sus from the start and in every cutscenes lol
The issue is that if she has always been weird, we have no idea because we have no frame of reference for how she actually acts, so it isn’t actually clever at all. If she has been weird from the start then we never met the real one, so we have no reason to care about the aftermath mission when we are getting ready for a funeral for a character we both never met and also don’t know is actually dead or not.
I think it’s good to be critical of the story as it helps games know that fans do care a lot about this aspect but also elements where they felt it fell short and needs improving.
That said, I never felt this was as bad as he’s making out (not Tectone, the video creator). Personally, when I did the quest (and it was a while ago now so may be a bit foggy memory) I didn’t have any initial suspicions around Tingyun, she seemed nice but slightly distant or off. Which was fine considering her position as an Amicassidor as well as the strange circumstances going on at the Loufu at our time of arriving there - there was Stellaron Hunters on the loose, a Stellaron Crisis, they locked down all ports yet somehow a group of Nameless arrived onboard - so it’s no wonder she was suspicious. Same way our first interaction was cold by Yukong. The only difference I felt was as Tingyun was our escort around the Luofu she was keeping a more positive persona just out of professionalism.
In regard to the weird texts, I thought at the time she may have been testing us to see if we were interested in the arbor and the pursuit of immortality thus seeing if we were here on ill intentions and showing she didn’t fully trust us still. This was proven to not be the case though with the reveal that she was Phantalyia. And with what Welt said about Phant. corrupting people I feel like her weird texts were meant to show that to the player - she tried to tempt us like she tempted others on the ship like Dan Shu
I also felt like they left Tingyun’s death/ potential still alive status intentionally ambiguous so that fans could speculate amongst themselves. Case and point this whole video. However, I think the fact they’ve spent so much time from discussing it with Welt post Dan Shu fight and even with the star skiff send off with Yukong, for them not to bring back the real Tingyun would be a slap on the face to the player. Also just a dumb move as she’s is a much loved character gameplay wise so bringing out a new version of her in the form of a limited-edition 5 star will surely do well so makes sense from a financial point at the very least
The final thing I’ll say is that I remember it being said that Phantalyia was meant to be deceptive. She clearly had been playing the role of Tingyun awhile before the player arrived on the Loufu and had gone unnoticed that whole time. So, it would make sense to assume she had for the most part been acting like the original Tingyun so to not arouse suspicions that she was an imposter. Similarly, as shown in the Yukong splash art, many of the characters we meet knew Tingyun from an early age so it can also be assumed that she wasn’t abducted by Phantalyia until later on - I assume during when she worked as an Amicassidor which I’m guessing is similar to an ambassador but I’m not the best with Honkai lore so this theory may be wrong.
All in all, I think what they did with Tingyun in the story was fine. She was a likeable, attractive fox-girl, had some hints of strange behaviour that led to a ‘twist’ and leaves the door open to bring back her original character later down the line and get lore-theorists to go into speculation mode
I truly believe Tingyun and March 7th are getting 5 star versions
Aboudance Tingyun and Eurydition March 7 or her name may change if He remembers her past. She may be emanator of some patch
@NegroFogo would be sick if they're both hybrids too like Tingyun could be harmony with small abundance where she heals you over time and buffs your damage. idk so much potentail in this game. Im excited
@@NegroFogo I feel March would be more of a Hunt character. Only because it fits the cycle: Trailblazer (Destruction -> Preservation); Dan Heng (Hunt -> Destruction).
@@patrickcarter2829 hunt is single target. I think her past self wasn't soo cute. So Eurydition would be good to devastate enemies. But We Can't be sure i think it's still long way before we learn something about her or MC past.
The HSR story has been really good, but I feel like the Xianzhou part of the story was definitely rushed. In Belobog we actually got the time to take in moments (ignoring the fact that March 7th brushed Cocolia's death off like it was nothing) and got to know the characters more, which made the impact of all the big moments larger. But, during the Xianzhou part I was kinda just like "Wow, cool" whenever something happened because they didn't give us any time to let things sink in. It was still a good/okay quest, but it could've been so much better.
That's Because It's Not Finished Yet, They Will Continue It After Penacony, Since We Still Have to Discover Luocha/Otto's Plan Together with the Aeon of Plenty, and We Still Have to Go to the Other 9 Ships of Xianzhou

@@RoverWW yeah but it was rushed and there's no reason to ignore that.
@@Adan.2005 It was rushed, because it was just the initial conflict,
The mission was just an introduction to all that remains of Luofu,
Phanthylia Was Only A Weak Emanation Of Abundance, The Important Thing Of Xianzhou Has Not Started Yet
The only thing they presented to us was about Dan Heng's past (it's going to be relevant to the history of Xianzhou)
and They also raised the fact that Luocha may be a Servant/Emanator of the Aeon of Abundance (This is why his healing powers are so rare)
Unlike Belobog, whose story was already finished, Xianzhou will still continue
@@RoverWWJust because something is the start doesn't mean it needs to be rushed or not need room to breathe.
Can you seriously tell me that the past few patches have been more worth having than giving more time to the intro to the Loufu? Tbh we could still have the current patches but just push them back and give more patches to the main story. Like we could have easily had more sections dedicated to investigating/hunting Kafka & Sanctus Medicus with the party, including Ting Yun, at least, to try and build up the characters on the Loufu and current story set-up.
They rush to sell products. In the end of the day, it's a business and they know you will buy. Gotta reach their status quo.
Tingyun felt sus at various points, especially when she talked about immortality stuff and asking MC about their views about that specific stuff
Tingyun isn't dead wtf. Her body was never found. Luocha said he met her on another planet and she was acting differently. It makes absolutely no sense for her to be dead
Then basicly this scene was even more garbage and pointless....
@@ziebus904 phantyllia killed her puppet to startle the main chars who in the heat of battle didnt have time to think whether or not its the real tingyun. It's shock value within the plot itself. I wouldn't say its forced or bad for the scene itself. what's bad is that they arent giving us an answer to where tf is the real tingyun
So the characters in game think thst either Phantylia killed Tingyun when she replaced her or that she is still alive. It’s left ambiguous. Obviously the one we met was fake but it is strongly suggested she is alive elsewhere
Yea, turns out death isn't a planned thing and happens suddenly and it leaves us all in different stages of grief. We can clearly see where this guy is. And going through the quest, you can see where her friends and loved ones get hung up in the different stages of grief too. Its a reminder to keep your loved ones close. They could literally drop dead at any moment from anything. Its just outside of fiction, there's no one to really blame if you don't subscribe to religion.
Side Note: Don't rush from point A to point B so often. Talk to each of the characters between plot points. She says some crazy fucking shit that's like, pretty obvious if you've read a book or two, or played any other narrative game in the past decade. Especially the moment where she's unaffected by the smoke and the moments she's worshipping the tree and the texts. And those are IN the story.
The issue is that if you miss talking to her then you don’t get anything, and sometimes when you talk to the other characters you don’t get anything important, making it not really worth the time. So I could see why someone would miss it which can alter their story experience.
@@CodeTetsu It's an RPG, if you skipped content because you're too lazy to read, that's on you.
@@exu7325 If the content is necessary for the character to work then it shouldn’t be optional. If the character is one you’re supposed to talk to, don’t make me go walking around the map look for them, let me know where they are. Stop making excuses for meh storytelling.
I cant believe that people believe that ting is actually dead. For crying out loud, they drop multiple hints that she's still alive or that some stuff is still waiting to be discovered about her. If you think this is the last we will hear about Ting I think you are insane.
I agree with you but the problem likely is, mihoyo will let this sit for at least one year and then by that time, they'll figure that they can no longer find a place for her in the story so she's just scrapped and confirmed dead from a throwaway NPC dialogue. That's the worst-case scenario for me at least. Best case scenario is a sizable group of fans ask across all servers to pester mihoyo to bring her back and give her a proper story
It wouldn't make sense for tingyun to be replaced during the Main Quest because she was supposed to have a hand in the problems that were occurring when we got there. If Tingyun was replaced during the quest than there would have been no problems or reason to go on the Luofu. I think the problem with the Luofu is purely that the Imbibitor reveal was extremely rushed.
Maybe I misunderstand the power capabilities of Phantilyia but you could easily have Ting Yun replaced during the main story. Simplest way to do that is just have 2 of them running around, until the original gets taken out, shipped off, or leaves of her own accord for whatever the reason
@@Sakura-Bunny-Boo you could do that but the Luofu is well surveillanced and it would be pretty suspicious that if a tingyun was off doing her own thing instead of doing her work. The whole reason she was allowed to be away in the story was because Yukong had her accompany us. Also my guess as to why she chose tingyun to disguise herself as is because she is frequently away from the place.
@@Pavise1 Wait that makes no sense. Unless I misunderstood your original comment, you said that fake Ting Yun had to be there before the story begins because she was preparing stuff. That means she wasn't working anyway some of the time so that wouldn't seem weird when one of the Ting Yuns happen to not be working, especially during like a work break or something. Also, once chaos and disorder sets in, it'll be way easier for a fake to maneuver amongst the discord. So really the initial set-up would just take longer but that has no bearing on the story we play through.
@@Sakura-Bunny-Boo She did go and prepare things while she was Tingyun the problem is if there were two she would have had to avoided being anywhere near where she works. Also at that point why would she even disguise as tingyun when there are characters with more authority and freedom that she could use. Like any of the judges would have been better at that point. Also I imagine she had to do something to the actual tingyun whether it be kidnapping or stalling to be able to replace her(the luofu keeps track of who leaves and enters the ship as seen with luocha and it two enters from tingyun would have tipped them off)
@@Pavise1 Fair. Although, pretending to be someone of higher authority would be harder and more risky since I imagine there'd be more security and identity checking involved in those positions, such as a judge.
However, I think that stalling could easily happen within the Loufu. Once she sneaks aboard, she's in (just pretend to be someone else temporarily) and just needs to maintain the ruse. I don't think we know enough about the infrastructure to be able to write off that fake Ting Yun couldn't impersonate the real Ting Yun and be where she (the real one) is supposed to be (if the writers really wanted to try hard enough). Sitcoms, for example, literally tackle these sorts of plot lines. You get/trick real Ting Yun into doing one thing while the fake takes her place.
I am only 2 mins in the video but I have say something that not particularly related to HSR but to GI. I really hoped in GI they killed of a playable character just to send a message that just bc a character is playable doesn’t mean they are safe. This way some of the cutscenes would be more exciting like the Xiao one. Then again if they killed of Xiao then GI players would litarely go on roit.
Dude is trying to be edgy and reaching hard.
Tingyun doesn't even die and wasn't really built up prior to the moment happening either. She's just your guide at the time and turns out the big bad has been walking around with you the whole time. That's the reveal and what matters, which is immediately followed by chasing the enemy down, a boss fight, and wrapping up the planet. Afterward you find out that no one really knows where or what has happened to the real Tingyun.
To make that out to be some big narrative flop or issue is just wrong. It's perfectly acceptable narrative pacing for what it is. Are there some other moments that probably could've breathed more? Sure. But I'm not going to give you that when you're complaining about a non-issue as though it were some major, narrative ruining moment. Dude is stretching so hard he's going to pull a muscle, though clearly not the one sitting between his ears. >.>
It’s not really reaching too much. The moment is probably one of the biggest from the entire arc, and it really doesn’t do much story or character wise. Why set up that she could still be alive? It would be unnecessary for the Ravagers to leave her alive, but instead to use the real body and kill her off. Why just hold her? It makes no sense. So if she’s actually dead then we never met the real one, which means that we have no reason to care about her character because we never actually met her. It also means the false hope or her being alive is setup to something that won’t happen which is also narratively weird and a waste of time.
The twist itself can or cannot work for people because as he said there was no frame of reference. You can say she was acting weird which is supposed to set up that she’s Phantylia, but we really don’t have a frame of reference for how she acted before so it’s not really that big a twist that we can figure out. Different people even comment different times for when she could have been swapped out or if she was always the wrong body. This means it’s not communicated clearly either.
I think there are bigger missed opportunities though. Most of the Luofu are inconsequential characters like Sushang or Yanqing during the quest. Welt does nothing of much importance, the Stellaron Hunters barely do anything of importance and don’t really feel like they need to be there. No meaningful arcs either. It’s kind of just a 9 month set up season which feels very unsatisfying. We won’t get any answers or conclusions for who knows how long
@@CodeTetsu It's called a climax and again, all of that is invalid by the simple fact it's not actually her. So it's not about the character at all. It's about finally pinpointing the person behind everything they'd been dealing with the entire time and being surprised they were right next to you the whole time.
For a villain that is still around in an ongoing narrative btw, so no, they don't have to tell you absolutely everything yet. It's like complaining about not knowing everything there is to know about Kafka in the game's prologue because that's the moment she showed up so why didn't they explain exactly why she created the MC in the first place?! Zomg!
This entire "critique" is just people mad the moment wasn't literally something it wasn't to begin with. Which has nothing to do with writing or storytelling quality and only has to do with your own biased hopes and dreams.
Y'all literally just mad the surprise wasn't exactly what you wanted - months after the fact even. It did exactly what is was supposed to do and worked perfectly. This has nothing to do with actual storytelling principles or mechanisms.
@@lockekosta9014 None of that is made invalid that it isn’t actually her. Just because her body we saw wasn’t the real one doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be dead elsewhere. But we as the audience aren’t given much reason to care, so going out of our way to be told how good she was by npcs doesn’t carry much weight and can seem like a waste of time to people. None of the important characters we meet for the entire story really have much thoughts on her which makes the falling action kind of meh to some.
I do think it’s neat that the one’s perpetrating this are with us the entire time though. I can agree that’s a neat story detail.
While this person-based on another comment I saw-is incredibly biased, and wore their heart on their sleeve, I do think they pose a good point. It does end up criticizing the story because in the end it asks what was the point of so many things and why should we care? The story does not give you much reason to be invested in the Tingyun plot line and it truthfully feels inconsequential and weak as a result in some regards. The effects of the story should change the characters around them at least in some way, but for such a big moment it really has no effect on how the main characters see things. We also don’t see Yukong drastically changed either or bring it up, which makes everything feel like a cheap attempt as shock value to some.
While I personally don’t think this is that big a deal and the story was disappointing for other aspects, I can understand why others wouldn’t like it.
Ngl I think he's overlooking the fact that this is an incomplete game. He's applying the story progression logic of a completed game, where all the story is there already so it would ideally have a good narrative progression. But this is a gacha game that's not even a year old. You can't expect them to plan years of story content this early.
I think not meeting the real Tingyun was the entire point. We DON'T know her, so as far as we know the off comments she makes ARE normal for her. That's the entire point. having us meet the real on. then having her be replaced while our main characters didnt notice would insult their intelligence and imo be a worse way for the story to go for a multitude of reasons. The main reason I'm glad the story played out this way is because IF we met the real Tingyun, and she got replaced later on while we are there, it would have the narrative contrivance that big events ONLY happen when we are present which would have been bad. Tingyun already being replace far prior to us even arriving makes the world and story feel more alive and makes it feel as though the world will have its own story with or without us, and I think the proposed story of meeting the real Tingyun first would have ruined it and possibly made the entire twist feel contrived.
I feel like the death isnt supposed to be obvious or directed at us since we are not supposed to be an omnicient protagonist that are at the center of everything but we are thrust into the plot of a living world with stuff happening all the time. It gives the game some depth, especially since if you actually read everything and picked her dialogue option that was not mandatory we could have seen the hints at her not being "tingyun"
I'm pretty sure when a story suddenly decides to kill off a character, the intention to evoke something out of the audience so it is absolutely in some way directed. Actually that's the point of a story, especially in a game, an interactive medium
except then we had a patch dedicated to giving her a funeral and talking to a bunch of npc's about how this character we never met was a good person.
@@Sakura-Bunny-Boo My point is that we are not there to witness it but we witness it because we are there and a death should realistically invoke some sort of emotion but we are not the main audience for the death, hence why we talk to others about the death and funeral.
@@erikpetersson7168 OK, but this being a story for a video game, that makes no sense for a writer to choose to make. But if you want to argue from an in universe perspective, then why would Phantilia choose to engage with us as Ting Yun? At the beginning, she chose to be cornered so that we would encounter her. If she did not have intentions to fuck with us, then why try to attach herself to us?
@@Sakura-Bunny-Boo Most probably because of the stellaron inside of us
I prefer a little rushed then dragged out dialogue bloat 🗿
For me HI3 and r1999 story is the best from many perspective for hsr is just good but yeah they really lacking
30:20 there are several characters in Hi3 that are dead and you can play with them. Argument "you cant play as dead character" is total bs imo. Because...why not? A lot of players dont even play as story only characters. Like for example Phantylia fight, right? I doubt every player that uses this arguments played this fight with story only characters. Unless story forces you to. But free character pick = they pick whoever they want, not just canon characters in this specific moment in time and place.
It's weird because you and everyone else constantly go on about how flawless and amazing the story in the game is but then as soon as a video is made pointing out that's bs you agree with it 100%.
The story is amazing it’s just that this moments didn’t feel that much impactful but maybe as for ting yun there is a reason behind
Spicy Tinggyun betrayal was foreshadowed and allright, these HSR content creators are clueless scrapping at the bottom of the barrel
Damn I wanted to hear your thoughts when you ended the video😭anyways I don’t think the tingyun stuff came out of nowhere, there were planted seeds within the game. I also agree with you in that she’s going to come back, wouldn’t really make sense for them not to given what welt said.
People commenting on M7 moving just like that after Cocolia's death, keep in mind that they (trailblazers) are not supposed to get attached to people in their journey, M7 just doesn't care about Cocolia, i mean that's the person who tried to kill us, and that moment was weird as sh*t, so ur fighting your friends' mom and she died, how do you react exactly 💀
Their planet is dying, they have no luxury to mourn
Tbh as much as i love the sad and bittersweet story, I don't really care about Tingyun's. Why? I don't even know her even after the game told me about Tingyun's life and personality, I still don't care. Our character don't have alot to interact with her, She doesn't mean much to the story BUT Himeko, March 7th, Dan heng and Welt mean alot to me because they're the one who start the journey with you and it was the same for Himeko in Honkai impact. If the game gave you a companion quest that revolve around her then the death might be meaningful.
"Am i crazy or does tingyun look hot with a snapped neck"
teccy that was the most hilariously unhinged shit ive heard you say in a minute lmfao
HSR: *Releases hot and attractive character*
Also HSR: *Kills off hot and attractive character in Version 1 of the game.*
Welcome to Honkai. Where Depression is expressed in a cup of an expresso.
Solo is coping hard with his scenario fix. He would not be okay if things went the way he proposes. His entire video is ass mad. A couple good points at but most of is lashing out in anger.
To quote one of my favorite Abridged series “When a man wants to get his smooch on with a girl as bad as this one does, it does not simply end.” Solo did not reason himself into being this upset, no amount of fixing or perfect writing could ever not make himself not mad. And I don’t blame Solo.
this guy just seems a bit silly. how can he complain about "spoilers" when he is talking about how he didn't know something was coming? if you know the future of the game or story you know spoilers?
Tingyun is the perfect example of how Gege wrote JJK's female characters besides Maki, lol. If HSR is wrote by him, we WILL never ever see the real tingyun and she will never be mentioned ever again💀💀
I agree DH becoming IL was rushed for sure...but I think they did Tingyun fine honestly.
Didn’t he say he was gonna swear after the first 8 or 10 minutes but never did? Dude is hard contradicting himself.
7:29 this is not true. Sampo never got a companion quest. A tragedy that still bothers me to this day
hsr prob gonna pull off what hi3 did and make us go thru depression when we actually get to like a character
Rip himeko
I actually disagree with the idea 'Tingyun' was poorly written for 1 main reason: it's Phantylia/a puppet as such as far as the writing for Phantylia the writing for Tingyun/Phantylia is fairly solid.
As for the real Tingyun all we got is whatever Yukong remembers of her (in the brief scenes she talks about her, and yes unlike what Solo says she does reference this at some point in some npc dialogue...I'm gonna assume he missed said dialogue...if I'm right it was right after the Phantylia boss but before the burial questline...which I can't blame him about too much as some post major quest dialogue requires hunting down npcs to get post quest dialogue (I'm used to this crap for playing other rpgs so I always look at npc dialogue after major story events...especially in Falcom's Trails/Ys games)) and what Luocha says about seeing her on another planet so we'll see if we meet her later on in the game (probably find her either imprisoned on a planet by Phantlyia or stranded on a planet that doesn't have the technology to get her back into space).
Hell even if we never get a real Tingyun or it gets confirmed she was killed long ago her (Phantylia's) writing is more or less solid as she (Phantylia) was meant to be an imposter from start to finish to take the place of one of her victims. Also as far as the whole 'corrupting' the character he mentioned that Phantylia does that Welt mentions in theory that could mean we find the real Tingyun later on and she winds up being an enemy under Phantylia's side (could probably bring Yukong back to bring some psychological damage on Yukong by forcing her to potentially fight Tingyun), this would also explain why Phantylia may try to erase any vestiges of Tingyun so, if Tingyun is one of her agents, she can be used to infiltrate some other planet/other Loufu ship later on.
Ok...hold up. Let me explain some things as a writer myself. I think there are some honest misunderstandings about the narrative role the death of Tingyun played in the story as well as some fundamental misunderstandings about what makes good and bad writing in an episodic game like Honkai Star Rail.
1st: Tingyun's death is not meant to have the impact of a major character. The emotion you are supposed to feel is not anger or grief, it's shock. You're not "being cheated out of knowing Tingyun." Not every character you write is meant to have a huge backstory. They wanted a named character who the playerbase liked overall. *snap neck* mission accomplished.
2nd: The entire point of the funeral substory is to tell us "you don't even know who Tingyun actually is, but her death is tragic regardless" (assuming she is dead). This is your chance to learn a little bit about her character so you don't feel "cheated" and it leaves an exciting mystery. Will we run into Tingyun again, or was she killed to protect the identity of the double? We learn that Tingyun was kind and generous, that people will miss her. It's absolutely one of the better side stories in Honkai. We don't need to linger on character death for chapters and chapters. This wouldn't work in a game where the content releases as slow as it does.
3rd: Honkai doesn't suffer from pacing issues nearly as bad as Genshin does, but the problems are here for sure. Characters are overly verbose but use their dialogue to re-establish their societal roles or their viewpoints over and over and over. "You're a Judge of the Ten Lord's Commission" so therefore...blah blah blah. The IPC knows about the problems this planet is having so...blah blah blah.
This is not how people talk. Stop it. STOP IT! Dialogue should rarely deliver lore. Dialogue moves story and ties together characters. Luckily, Honkai has plenty of this dialogue too. It has some amazing "troll" lines the main character can say and several good opportunities to call characters out on their eccentricities. Not everyone has to be MC weird, though. I think almost everything Jing Yuan says is good. He feels like he only speaks when he actually has something to say. I feel like Kafka can get away with her constant talks of scripts and choices because that's kind of who she is. Fu Xuan is in a weird halfway point between being a fun character and being an exposition nightmare creature. what she does is way too complicated for most of the characters to understand or even really care about.
I could list every character and none of them are just terribly written trash. Some feel like real people and some feel like they exist to spit story at me awkwardly. It bothers me that March 7th is supposed to be this ditzy, carefree teenager who just wants to have fun, but we have soooooooo many scenes about her past. Let that stuff surprise her and us. She's not the kind of person who is constantly self-reflecting. She's an airhead!
I feel like that last stuff about march 7th is so wrong lol. I agree that the constant past stuff can get annoying but you're essentially saying she doesn't need any depth besides being stupid which is kinda ehhhh
i felt something was weird with tingyun when she asked about the fruit then she went back to just normal boring and not interacting so i didnt think about it and i dont watch trailers bc i dont want story spoiled i hate that shit usually. also we absolutely needed the dan heng trailer where he's fighting dan feng in his mind in the game i was looking forward to it when i finally decided to go ahead and play it then it didnt happen it was definintely rushed
Yall, I dunnom but... my Tingyun is fine.
Tingyun is amazing, both gameplay and how she looks. But tbh I've never liked Tingyun from the first time I saw her. She looked like she hide something bad and that she is a bad person. Apparently that is true, but that is Phantylia not Tingyun. Phantylia used her copy/clone to brought her plan to take over Luofu(cmiiw). Some theory said Luocha's Coffin has Tingyun in it, but that's just a theory.
The thing here is that some plots are missing about Tingyun etc. That leaves us with theories of Tingyun's originilaty and death. Hoyoverse leaves us with a big plot hole here, and if they didn't give us some clarity about her that is just bad writing. But yeah, let the story tell and wait I guess.
Tbh, I did “enjoy,” Tingyun’s death. It was kinda funny in the way that it was sudden; It wasn’t expected, and the idea that she’s dead or alive in a Schrödinger’s cat idea was Intresting. As a lead up to the incident, their is hints hinting up to the reveal, like the mentions of loucha talking to tingyun, but her not having any sort of recollections, and the fact that she was acting weird when going into the pit where the neck-snapped happened.
To add more context, there is also the talk of heliobi during the Huo Huo event, which we can conclude to be phantylia’s base species, which has been told that they can cause short life species that they possess and fully consume to disintegrate, which can’t happen to tingyun, due to foxians not being classified as short-life, actually being classified as long-life, which can’t get dissolved when fully consumed by heliobi.
There is hints to these things, but for casual viewers, it’s practically 0, and tbh I get that. I also do agree with the bad pacing bit, but that’s something we’re going to have to give criticism to hoyo for, since it only took 2-3~ months to get to the loufu, and in a span of like a month, most of the story quest was made, and completed, with the next month being DHIL release, this really isn’t enough time to build up character development for people we have known for around 2 months, which I think hoyo picked up on, which is why Pencony hasn’t been released yet, even tho it’s been around 2 months.
Tbh, if were going to have better character development, or have any sort of character buildup, where going to have to keep giving criticism to Hoyo and the story board through their patch survey’s and making it more vivid for casual players. But even while saying this, where going to have to sacrifice the speed at which story quests to come out later, for more foreshadowing, character building, and reveals, which I think would be a good thing for us dedicated fanbase, but bad for anyone who doesn’t care, which can, or will cost them money, and would be hard to manage if most of the devs and story wrigglers are focused on bringing in events and characters…
While I might say this, all that we can really say is give more criticism, give more ideas to hoyo through verified survey’s and let’s see what happens. (And hope for something better, since anyone who knows HI3 knows that hoyo can make better story writing, but whether we’re mentally sane later will be our own fault..)
Tingyun had red flags flying all over the place.
In my opinion, Tingyun's death was a good thing. For me, it feels that I should be worried for the rest of the characters. They looks more "real" this way, they can get hurt, they can die.
Ever since, her death, no other female chars suffered physical wounds, at least what I saw. As if the Devs are terrified to do any more of that.
Jingliu rekted Blade without getting hit.
Sushang, lmao+ratioed Yangying, without she got scratch.
THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION! It's totally possible that I've missed something, lemme know. Cheers.
Star Rail: Tingyun is dead / Tingyun in my team watching like: O.o . Joke aside, imagine if they would give you Tingyun for free, she is totally broken as a character and then when she dies she just leaves your party forever and you lose the character 🤣
honkai Impact 3rd players
People die there, disasters here, end of the world..... Nuh this is normal
because hi3 writes the stories so fluidly and perfect meanwhile Hsr writes of Tingyun's death as if we're taking a normal stroll in the park
real Tingyun is the friends we made along the way
My thoughts on tingyuns “death”, we have to remember that we were not suppose to go to lofu ship it was Segway put in place by Kafka/elio and the stelleron hunters, when we first arrived on the ship tingyun is the first person we meet, to which we become her benefactor following us around in the ship as we get into our different quest stuff, if we use a little more thought and hind sight when she does die you have to take into consideration that she has been with us and knows of a lot of our plans welt also says even if she is dead it we can worry about that later this could be a ploy to take our site off of the true matter at hand, which is phantliya and the tree issue plaguing the lofu, after witch we deal with phantilya, then go through the funeral also might I add we were just kinda tag alongs and just kinda there to hear about who she actually was/could be, which (my opinion) I believe is fine we spent a lot of time and did a lot of stuff in and around the lofu with her, which also us taking care of that disciple(phantilya) was set in motion by the stelleron hunters so that the lofu owes us, this was a thought out plan by elio and his actors ( the stelleron hunters), this fight was already planned out, also I feel it is safe to assume that this wasn’t a blind side to the followers of destruction phantilya and her hommies; we could even go so far as to say she knew about tingyun and what she does (travel around speeding joy and wonder.) that her stealing this face could help her infiltrate the lofu, also yokong is closer to jing yuan the general of that ship she is planning to attack, it wouldn’t be far fetched to have tingyuns face (body double) show back up and freely walk around the lofu to set whatever plan she had in motion under the surface.
To be honest I skipped through most of the dialogue to catch up to current events because I started playing in 1.5. It sucks that the game trys to force new players to play through fast.
23:40
Ooooohhhh, that's why he has this point of view. He didn't own Tingyun while I really enjoyed her supporting my favorite 5star, Clara. So she was important to me and I spent a lot of time with her in combat, and maybe that affected the biases and assumptions we got out of this.
He actually did own her and she was his favorite character (watch his reaction to his death, it’s hilarious)
Unless teccy it turns out we meet her but she was actually inside loucha’s coffin dead. Because they said that loucha had a secret to do before we meet phantilya
nah luocha is carrying kallen
I don't agree with him because I didn't make the same assumptions that he did. I do respect his opinions, as his frustration makes sense, but it doesn't apply to me. He considered the fact that Tingyun was always a fake as a negative, but I don't. I think the main thing I do agree with is that the funeral felt like an after thought, validating the loss after the fact. The breaking of "show don't tell". That I agree with. But I still stand by the fact that I enjoyed the reveal and the theorizing that led from it.
You’re 100% right, the pacing is atrocious. We got on the train to go to panacony 5 patches ago, only to immediately get off the train and go do random errands for people that have nothing to do with the main story for 2 months. Belobog was the last time I actually felt like there was good pacing in this story, the lofu arc was horrendous. Boring, bloated, and overstayed it’s welcome, all while still feeling rushed and underdeveloped at the same time. That’s not to say there weren’t interesting story beats, but overall the story has suffered tremendously since arriving on the lofu. It’s like they set up these really interesting story ideas, but then make you do meaningless, uninteresting, or unrelated stuff for two months and then pay off the set up with a half hour quest where they just shove everything important into the last 5 minutes with an admittedly cool animation and call it a day. I think a lot of people believe we’ll be returning to the lofu in the future so this arc was only a prelude to what’s to come but still, the pacing was all over the place which just killed any hype I had for the future story. You’re right when you say they need to give these story beats space to breathe and imo they need to completely restructure the way they tell the story in the future if they want to retain any semblance of cohesive story telling. Even genshin’s sumeru arc was paced better, for how much you like to dunk on it
My main problem with the Luofu Arc is how Dan Shu (the blind healer) was thrown to the wayside.
A once devout follower of Lan who renounced them after seeing how fickle the Aeons can be is an interesting plotline, and its swept away by the Antimatter Legion. I feel like a lot more could've been done with the character before she was killed.
@@Thailandsmostwanted exactly, however, she is also a part of the main story during the Alchemy Commission, which would infer that she had an integral role to play.
Not to mention, being the *leader* of Sanctus Medicus. A boss of a notable faction should've had more posterity to the general story; it would be like regulating The Family in Penacony to minor roles, or the Antimatter Legion to only a single destination.
My big problem with the entire scenario is this: We never actually met the real Tingyun and they make sure to point that out in the dialogue.
So if they truly killed her off it ends up feeling hollow and now we have someone who never actually existed in the game as a playable character. On the other hand if she is still alive it'll feel pretty lame after they spent so much time on the 'funeral'. There isn't really any room for a satisfying outcome in my opinion but I guess we'll have to wait and see for the continuation to know for sure.
@@tivaen And whats wrong with playable Phantylia
I absolutely love Tectone for supporting Solo and giving tips when they seem they could be useful. Gaining Solo subs also ❤ He deserves them, thanks Tekky.
I think her death provided something rare in media now, and people react negatively to things that we don't see all the time in fiction. Narrative Ambiguity. That doesn't make it bad, and it's hard to fully examine it at the time it comes out, cause emotions are high.
We'll never know the real Her, she seems suspicious the whole time to us, but no one she knows suspects her at all, because the "real" Tingyun was an absolutely absurdly lovely person to people she knew.
The quest showing each friend trying to grapple with the idea that maybe that lovely woman was never even the "real" Tingyun either, then accept that unknown and mourn the woman they knew anyway. I think it works well, it's just not a common narrative device you see in these games.
I kinda already clocked that Tingyun was possessed or similar because before you get there if you're slow enough in the part where we're fixing the gas thing triggering mara in foxians we ask her to go back cuz we are afraid for her safety she literally just says not to worry she'll do anything for us benefactors. Which seemed really strange to me especially since I had that conversation where she talks about the ambrosial ambe. It gave me maybe she's possessed by the ambrosial amber and stellaron and so she's not at risk of getting mara struck cuz she basically already is. Didn't completely expect her to randomly die there I was expecting there to be more stuff in between to let it steep more but she did have some death flags to me.
@18:50 different people cope in different ways, i myselfs wouldn't bring the death of a loved one all the time, and she's sad you can hear in her voice
i think the video os stray maverik is also way better on discussing this arc
Teccy it's also different if u play from start and u have time in between patches and story that time when u using those chars u get some bond, when i played HI3 Himeko died and I barely met her in story cuz i did not played from start and did not had those waiting times in between and events to like her so it would felt sad for me.
True, I personally never felt the "narrative whiplash" that happened between the Phantylia and Aetherium Wars quests because for me an entire like 6 weeks had passed
I can see why he is pointing the fact that Yukong didn't even speak on it. Especially now with the Ghost of one of her fallen comrades appearing, it seems she would have some sort of emotional outburst from it. Though that could also be a completely different relationship, it is entirely possible. But even then, wouldn't it be apt to have Yukong have a semi-emotionally charged talk with the Traveler that has her divulging her confused state of emotions and maybe vow that she won't rest to finds the real Tingyun? Idk, think it would have been and would be pretty cool.
Not sure why people are so obsessed by Tingyun, for me it since the start it was a stellaron mystery setup and development of Phantylia. Couldn't care less who "the guide" was, it's important who orchestrated the whole event and fooled general and master diviner both. It was never about the original her.
Also if no one brought up that she acted weird, that means she resembled at least in professional relations the same behavior.
I agree that stuff gets blown over so quickly lol. I dont want slow stuff like genshin but hsr a little too fast lol. I dont agree with Solo tho that its “bad” besides fact that we never met tingyun . It is left ambiguous. I dont think theyll kill character before we meet them lol
Tbh fontaine pace is quiet great definitely not as stretching as sumeru
When a game community bans u for criticizing the story u know it's just shit
Still hsr > genshin
woah buddy ur gonna alert the horde
um actually 🤓genshin *wall of text over a joke*
here come the fucking nerds
I mean Belobog gives me feels,no matter how many accounts I play in or seeing how many reactors reacted to the story it still feels good,and characters feels lively.
Never felt the same for any genshin archon stories, maybe it's because only characters that seems more relevant to the quest are Archon and some five star characters, though there are some good ones with irrelevant Npc's .
Hope they built more on the Belobog story in the filler patches after penacony stories
@HonkaiStarRailVideos exactly even tho some genshin quests are good and ngl fontaine was amazing , hsr story feels more attracting yeah I skip side quests but I never skipped the main story in hsr unlike genshin i skipped everything beside fontaine and mondstad
The Tingyun reveal reminded me a lot of a plot twist in FFXIV I won't spoil it, but it involves a character who reveals that they are not actually them, but someone else pretending to be them. I remember being confused as to why i should care because this happened before i met them, so to me, it was just always them and never the other person. I feel like Tingyun is the same thing
I think most of these complaints are just subjective, personal gripes being peddled by Solo as Objective Storytelling flaws. We weren't MEANT to know the "Real Tingyun", because she was a fake the whole time: that doesn't make it a bad story. In fact, that makes it much BETTER than some cheap Bait and Switch! Just look at the comments, and talk to normal players (who aren't trying to make a quick buck off of sensationalized content creation), and they'll tell you they thought Tingyun was incredibly suspicious the ENTIRE time we knew her. That's called consistency, and the fact that they cocked Checkov's Gun from almost the FIRST MOMENT you enter the Luofu, then proceeded to have Phantylia unabashedly fire it at "Tingyun"'s head at her big reveal is truly fantastic, it's great storytelling.
The problem here isn't the storytelling, it's Solo's EXPECTATIONS: Solo completely contradicts themself throughout the video, because they seem to be under the impression that "Tingyun" matters to the storyline right now.... when she was never intended to, BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER TINGYUN. IT WAS PHANTYLIA. Solo is thinking on such an infantile surface level of this storytelling, enraptured by "Tingyun"s character design, causing him to completely ignore how significant her presence was for the ACTUAL PAYOFF of Phantylia being the primary antagonist. Let me demonstrate: imagine for just a moment that Tingyun WAS the real Tingyun the whole time, and instead of the Self-neck snap, Phantylia just appeared out of one of the Mara Struck, and Tingyun was still alive. Imagine how sudden and unsatisfying it would've been for the major villain to just... appear out of nowhere, with no real setup or introduction. Would we have any resentment or attachment to that Villain as readers? Any reason to want to oppose them? The answer is... not really. They'd just be some random big bad girl who shows up and we beat the crap out of her. The only real story attachment would be that she introduces herself as a General of Nanook.
Instead, we get Phantylia herself piloting "Tingyun", a character that is both alluring and helpful during the main story quest. Even if she IS being suspicious, she helps us out multiple times, and some trust is built. To suddenly find out that we were manipulated by Phantylia, and she either possessed a good natured Foxian merchant named Tingyun and consumed her entire being- leaving her an empty burning husk- or was piloting some simulacrum of the same and discarded it, gives her entrance REAL narrative weight. It personifies her character into more than just the Monster of the Week, just some nameless world boss #3. She's now the General of Nanook one who masterminded the invasion of the Luofu FROM THE INSIDE, and also may (or may not) have possessed and murdered Tingyun. On top of all that, it's established that Tingyun WAS, in fact, a real person, and couldn't have been Phantylia the whole time other characters knew her (due to how fast Heliobi consume their hosts, especially one as powerful as Phantylia), so there's solid evidence that the Real Tingyun could be out somewhere on a different planet we'll visit, with the Phantylia version possibly a simulacrum or clone. If that's the case, we'll have ALREADY had characterization of Tingyun, and don't you DARE try to tell me that people wouldn't absolutely lose their minds pulling for a 5* TIngyun, and be hyped to meet her for real.
Overall, the whole video is full of incredibly shallow story analysis, boiling down to "Hey, so I know this character we met was the bad guy in disguise all along, but what if I made a video talking about how Tingyun's character arc sucked even though we never even met her?" Pretty comical how stupid it sounds, when you put it in plain terms.
I mean if we are being honest on a surface level the star rail story after belobog has been handling everything questionably from story, to characters and the fact they are too scared to make characters have flaws/be unlikable/dislike you/die doesn't help at all. Yan qing feels like trash for being trash and follows an evil spirit? Nope, he is actually confident again and not going to follow the evil spirit war spirit that made him a decent fighter that can't beat someone he outranks, because the person that apparently in HIS mind brought him nothing, but FAILURE and DEFEAT said "You will get good, bro just trust me". Tingyun dies? Nope, Phantylia leaves corpses and Tingyun doesn't have a corpse. The ghost dog of the 10 year old dies? Nope this is genshi- Honkai star rail the Loli's ghost dog lives. Amazon employ wants to sell the population of a planet to Jeff Bezos, because she has brain damage? Nope, Bronya said "Amazon bad belobog good" and she changed her mind forever even though her entire life was "I LOVE WORKING FOR AMAZON" and we became super ultra besties. My point being that HSR's story is full of characters that don't have a character or journey and they get coupled with a story that is either going too fast or ungodly slow, which makes Tingyun just forgettable, because when you are in a see of could have been great but ended up bad, you are just normal and nobody cares about normal... Unless they want to f*ck it, which in that case all power to ya
30:06 "is there any character in any hoyoverse game any canon dead playable charactor?"
HI3 player: Himeko, Elysia, Aponia, Vill V, Mobius, Yae Sakura, Pardofelis Main canon Sirin....
HSR and Genshin players should stop whining about the potential for their fav character to die, casue it's nothing new for hoyoverse (or MiHoyo as the comapany is technically still called in CN) to kill of characters (playable or not) for the sake of the story... And i didn't even put in acount any dead characters in GGZ...
At first she was cute fox girl and then suddenly when she asks "Aren't you fascinated with Abundance?" while EVERYONE on Xianjou has sworn bloody vengeance on Abundance... Yeah, that was the moment when I was like "Are you good?"
Luofu was the worst and whoever wrote that story should be fired. High Cloud Quintet and Dan Heng turning into IL form was so fucking rushed. I really expected more from Dan Heng and how he turns back into this badass form but instead he just gets stabbed and resurrected somehow. It's like saying "Somehow, Palpatine returned" Without ever explaining why.
Also, High Cloud Quintet's story really felt like it could have had a better story because we were given more exposition on some dead NPC no one cares about instead of showing more character dynamics of Jingliu, Blade, Jing Yuan and Dan Feng.
I just think they could've shown more and also, instead of just saying that these things happened, a cutscene showing what happened would've been so much better.
Also for Tingyun's death to have any impact on me, I didn't even know her properly or like, the story never really payed enough attention over her for it to have an impact on me.
Also Also. Luocha.
Don't get me started on why it felt so damn rushed.
He was never even given a proper narrative.
And why was Jing Yuan so scared or concerned about his actions?
Where did he find Jingliu?
Everytime Tectone says 'HSR has a good story, but...' I cringe because if really is just drawn out, whimsical but inherently flawed, intangible and stakeless trash most of the time. the storyline devs are really clocking in everyday to do the least possible and people don't hold them accountable even at all. It's also just awkwardly and unrecognizably complex, anybody who says they know what's going on are just lying.
I think, while its ok to speculate for us, its weird for the characters ingame to assume that she is alive somewhere. "We didnt find the body". Yea? I mean, we fought a Lord Ravager. We just had the new Storyquest, where people get ported away. Why would the characters in story not assume that Tingyun was simply killed or "annihilated" or prior to this warped away and corrupted, when such a powerful foe was involved? There could have been hints or scenes to more justify this, but characters coming to this conclusion without anything to really go off just isnt good writing imO.
Edit: If we are going to meet her again at a later point, it would have been imO preferable, if the rest of the characters (maybe outside of us bc we learnt smth from phantylia or so) thought that she died. The way it is, since her death really isnt acknowledged much and everyone already expects to see her again, i dont really see that much emotional weight behind a reunion in the near future.
HSR story being rushed or lacking room to breath is the opposite problem as HI3, where they take too much time to tell everything and where the story can really drag on as a result.
Project Stigma going on for like 4 chapters too long because of long winded pseudoscience. The whole Sa thing dragging out forever. Those stories were a slog and a half.
Mostly because all dialogues and presentation are either static graphics or splases of characters "talking" you need more text to balance this.
While hsr does not enough of this
While genshin does a bit too much sometimes
If she isnt dead, this whole story gets even worse, its simply doubles all flaws.
1) We didn't meet her, so we don't know her personality.
2) She didn't know us at all, we are nothing to her.
3) Funeral scene... just lol
Tectone- "Am i crazy or Tingyun looks so hot there with a snap neck?"
Huo Huo Ad pop up-
"Don't come any closer"
😂😂😂
I dont even think it's necessarily a clone or that the real Tingyun was even ever "attacked" by Phantylia. Phantylia is basically a Heliobus at this point, we've seen they don't need a "host" to make a copy of someone (Bailu's story mission in The Crepuscule Zone) only memories (I think?). Tingyun beeing in her position as an amicassidor everyone on Luofu pretty much knows who she is. I think she just took her guise cause it was most advantagious to Phantylia.
Imo, Tingyun is probably just somewhere doing her work literally not knowing what transpired at home. /copium
It's kinda canon they have space smartphones. Think they call it the jade abacus on the Xianzhou. If she is still normally working I'm pretty sure the Xianzhou would know.
Apparently, the Xianshou arc isn't over yet, but the Luofu arc is. My guess is that when we go back to finish the Xianshou arc, that's when we'll meet the real Tingyun, alive and well.
Yep completely agree. The world building, background lore and stories in hoyo games are all pretty much way more detailed and thorough than other games, but I feel they always flop super hard on the execution when they have to show the player instead of tell them. Important cutscenes are always the bare minimum length to save cost. The best star rail media is literally the shorts on the UA-cam channel which you could play the game without even knowing they exist.
The one time where they perfectly executed a story and showed it to the player in a way I thought was genuinely good was Fontaine final act. Apart from that important moments are just not very well executed. They're usually really bad at making the player feel things (think they're better in HI3 but don't know it).
Imagine if Welt's dialogue was just misdirection and that Tingyun was just being used as a puppet, being killed and resurrected over and over again all over the universe just to do dirty work for Phantylia.
Just a random idea.
It really annoys me how ppl bitch about "why should I care I never knew the real her" like bitch it's called fucking empathy. You can feel for the loss of Yukong & co without personally knowing who the one they lost.
Just like we can feel for the loss of Yukong's friend who's daughter she adopted.
maybe copium but maybe developer team planned this as TingYun gonna have an ALTER SSR version that Hoyoverse will try to sell us down the line
As a Honkai impact 3rd fan i was kinda excited to see how HSR handles killing off characters but this wasnt what i quite hoped for. Did not give a crap about tingyun
Oh its the honkai star rail story style every quest must have a foxian die thats all no meaning at all. main quest tingyun die, yukong quest caiyi die, huohuo quest lots of foxian die, High cloud quintet story Baiheng die all foxian thats all. the writer just be like kill a foxian ok now best story.
Whether or not we will meet her again in the future, giving her a memorable event and letting it sink gives a really big impact. If we will meet her in the future then it will give that very big surprise to the audience.
Yap the story in this game is not thay good. I felt its too rush especially Dan Heng arc. Anyway happy birthday Tectone!!!
What if it's another case of DHIL where tingyun releases as a 5 star in the future as anew refined character, possibly the tingyun we met being an older version copied by phantylia.
Yeah the problem I'm having is they're introducing so many new characters, are they even going to have time to create more story moments for older characters?
Let dude be disappointed.. he's just sad his waifu died.. she's coming back.. grow up
star rail onlys are just as dumb as genshin onlys ong. oop complaining about tingyun being foreshadowed in the trailer is straight up ignorant because hoyo is KNOWN for foreshadowing and adding important plot points in trailers and comics
copium, she is dead. and yes luocha said that he met her. when we first met her, she said that she have just returned from other planet/xianzou ship because she is a luofu ambasador and she travels a lot. cant you remember anything at all??? you all are confused or what ?
I think this video is off the mark. We never knew the real Tingyun but we knew that the way she acted fooled everyone around her into thinking she was the real Tingyun. We did get to know the real Tingyun through the fake Tingyun. It’s true that she didn’t have that much characterisation in the story, it would have been better if we’d had some more time to get to know her before she dies so that the death has more impact. But her being real or fake doesn’t really matter.
“Tingyun” story played out as a horror show it was always kind of creepy so don’t know why he made a angry video just for clicks
Although I agree Tingyun is likely alive, it’s tough coming from the guy who thought Signora is still alive
dude malding over Tingyun dying and no one caring, meanwhile Tectone and the rest of us be here like "damn, that's hot".