its both. It was trash, and cost way too much. As an investor would you continue paying for a product that cost you several million and didnt see any significant returns? It was never going to get a second season becuase of that ridiculous budget, but if enough people watched it and bought any related merrchandise? Answer is still no, but its easier to argue if it actually made money
Nah, being insane, a narcissist, or against lore doesn't make a piece of media bad. Being grossly untalented in every foreseeable aspect of your supposed craft does. Media is filled with successful bastardisations. Creatives have been literal psychopaths with egos large enough to snuff out a room but are lauded (hell, some are literal killers, r/cists, abusers of all types). But they understood thr point of their craft. This Headland chick was just immensely untalented. Take away the lore issues, and you still have a shtty show with questionable acting and an incoherent storyline.
You could give Timothy Zahn $50 million and a screenwriter and you'd make a tremendously more profitable series. But this is a girls club for Kathy's friends, regardless of whether they served young women up to Harvey Weinstein or not.
@@Kant3n Yeah exactly. They're trying too hard to get a female audience while alienating the mostly male audience. Like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics alone could give you like 6 movies and a shit ton of shows. I would love to see the Mandalorian Wars personally. Or something about Emperor Valkorian
The Acolyte isn't even cringy fan fiction. Fans wouldn't have written the Jedi like that. It played like bad message fiction just set in the Star Wars universe.
In a weird way it's true, not many people watched it, so it was too expensive for the return in views. We are focused on how bad it is, but the bottom line is it didn't bring in enough people to justify the existing budget or even a cut down budget S2.
@@Praxics0815 Universal could use some of the insane profits they're getting from their theme parks and the massive Hulu buyout forced by Disney acquisition of Fox... would would be just the peak of karma to me, all things considered
It's partially true though, because that abomination WAS insanely expensive. But Disney carefully omits that the main reason is that the Acolyte was horrible and pretty much nobody liked it.
i mean, they're not technically wrong, it totally was not worth the money they spent on it it's also a lie by omission of course, and a tacit acknowledgement that the ratings were, in fact, garbage... but technically they're not wrong
you know what cracks me up most about that "power of one, power of two, power of many" thing? disney created a song for Agatha, the Witch's Road, and it was really good. so they can do it if they wanted to.... sigh
Too expensive for Disney, a company that has billions in $$$? Unless they are in red numbers or something... yeah, right this claim. Everyone and their mothers know the real reason why this was canceled.
For a frame of reference, $180 million is what was used to make Wall-E (in the early & mid 2000s). Which is a brilliant film. With great visuals. And a riveting story. They use $180 million, we get this. There is a problem somewhere.
Saying "it failed because too expensive" is like saying the White Sox had record-setting season this year. Technically true, but completely misleading.
Once again, I have to say that Carrie-Anne Moss was utterly wasted on The Acolyte. Since Star Wars' story takes place over so many points in the timeline, I hope they get a chance to put her in something else.
Imagine being Bob Iger and going to a hollywood party and having to talk to person after person about the acolyte. If you're proud of something, then maybe you give it a reprieve. Andor? yes. The Acolyte? No.
Giving Lesley Headland $250 million to make a show is like putting Ghislaine Maxwell in charge of a women's shelter and more people need to put pressure on Iger for this shit.
The Hackolyte wasn't canceled for costing too much money, it was canceled for not generating enough revenue. Studios will toss literal millions of dollars into a show as long as it turns enough of a profit. (Rings of Powder, SheBulk, Ass Soaker, The Baby Yoda Show, Boba Tea, The Mindy Kaling Self-Insert Show, etc.) Once that profit's gone, so is the show. "That's Hollywood, baby!" If studios think we've been sleeping under rocks for the past several decades, that's on them. We all know why shows get canceled, and it almost always boils down to the 💵.
It was FAR too expensive, I think the official stated cost was like $300,000,000 or something stupid like that and that was just the stated cost. The actual cost was likely well past double that.
Dunno if Babylon 5 should have had a higher budget. I loved the look when it came out (yes, I'm old enough to have watched it on free to air TV in the 90's). God I loved that show, and the early CGI was part of it. Would some DS9 practical effects made it better? Dunno
Basil. The sets often felt small, but you'd assume that they spent a lot of money on alien costumes for extras. I think there was a CGI sequence going through an asteroid field - which didn't have a lot of drama. In a different production, CGI is for high value moments. It seems a problem if you spend millions on background characters or characters who don't drive the plot.
I do believe that yes, Disney didnt followed up because the show was too expensive, after all the cost of the show was $230 million that is significant higher that other shows, after all only reason we are hearing about Andor Season 2 is because the show was better received, could Disney lower the budget for The Acolyte season 2? Here is the question, how much of the budget was due to the production blowing over it? Another issue is the Showrunner were if Disney had no confidence on her sticking to the budget instead of adding like a extra $50 million could they remove her? Considering who she is I think the answer is no so Disney had a show that was expensive as well overbudget with a Showrunner they couldnt exactly replace ... if the show was cheaper, you bet or if the show had acclaim instead of being seen negatively by critics and audiences alike. If the show was significant cheaper I bet would get renewal and I suspect the people involved were suprised Disney didnt renewed considering who they were but Disney had the numbers and knew it was going to blow $300+ million on a season 2 for low viewership and since there was no around it, just cancelled it.
If the show wasn't a massive dumpster fire, they would have laundered more money...er, spent more money...on making another season. If they tried to make another season of this show, too many people will be looking at the money with a critical eye.
Is finger banging the gen-z way of climbing the corporate adder? :D (attempted humour!, just in case). ______________________________ On the budget, if the show had cost a couple of million, perhaps it would have been seen as successful, so yes, too expensive - just bullshit for internal system failure in their show approval process.
They should just sell Star Wars off, like they did with the Power Rangers. They bought the Power Rangers for a fortune, and sold it for pocket change since it was obvious they couldn't do anything good with the IP. They're doing the same thing with Star Wars, better to sell it to someone who would be more capable of doing a good job with it. Maybe George would buy it back and throw everything he could at it to repair the damage that's been done to the brand.
On the other hand, Arcane's budget was a whopping $250 million which is $20 million over the acolyte's budget. But unlike thay aforementioned dumpster fire the LoL show is well made and money well spent.
I love B5 and while it didn’t have the money the ship battles actually still look good today, B5 and DS9 are in my top 5 shows of all time (sadly legend of the rangers a spin-off from B5 is actually in my top ten worst shows of all time even beating out shows like Lex and team knightrider).
It was “modern average,” at best. I’m sure the budget comment relates to how it cost a lot and did not make up for it. At least it didn’t break the lore. No, altering a bottom-tier side character’s birthday does not have an effect on the lore.
Where "Over Budget" is code for "Nobody watched it."
its both. It was trash, and cost way too much. As an investor would you continue paying for a product that cost you several million and didnt see any significant returns? It was never going to get a second season becuase of that ridiculous budget, but if enough people watched it and bought any related merrchandise? Answer is still no, but its easier to argue if it actually made money
The power of none.
The power of not you.
The power of not annnnnnyyyyyyyy.... viewers 😂
Well anything that loses money is always "too expensive".
This is what happens when you hire insane narcissists to make a show that ignores the established lore.
Exactly
Nah, being insane, a narcissist, or against lore doesn't make a piece of media bad. Being grossly untalented in every foreseeable aspect of your supposed craft does.
Media is filled with successful bastardisations. Creatives have been literal psychopaths with egos large enough to snuff out a room but are lauded (hell, some are literal killers, r/cists, abusers of all types). But they understood thr point of their craft. This Headland chick was just immensely untalented. Take away the lore issues, and you still have a shtty show with questionable acting and an incoherent storyline.
You could give Timothy Zahn $50 million and a screenwriter and you'd make a tremendously more profitable series. But this is a girls club for Kathy's friends, regardless of whether they served young women up to Harvey Weinstein or not.
@@Kant3n Yeah exactly. They're trying too hard to get a female audience while alienating the mostly male audience. Like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics alone could give you like 6 movies and a shit ton of shows. I would love to see the Mandalorian Wars personally. Or something about Emperor Valkorian
@@Kant3nNo KK can’t be smart, she is busy giving women and LBGT people a “voice” in Star Wars.
The Acolyte isn't even cringy fan fiction. Fans wouldn't have written the Jedi like that. It played like bad message fiction just set in the Star Wars universe.
Disney cancelled the Acolyte due to it being an unpopular dumpster fire. There fixed the title for you.
You petty 🤣
*claps in Shia Lebeouf*
Yes.
Yes.
an expensive unpopular dumpster fire
it's still hard to believe that some editor sat there and said this is the best take at of all of them for that scene. poor editor.
coff....coff.... bullshit
In a weird way it's true, not many people watched it, so it was too expensive for the return in views. We are focused on how bad it is, but the bottom line is it didn't bring in enough people to justify the existing budget or even a cut down budget S2.
Time for Disney to lose ownership of Star Wars and Marvel.
We all wish
But will never happen
And how would that happen?
Who would buy it? Who could even afford it? And why would Disney even sell it?
@@Praxics0815 Good point
@@Praxics0815 Universal could use some of the insane profits they're getting from their theme parks and the massive Hulu buyout forced by Disney acquisition of Fox...
would would be just the peak of karma to me, all things considered
A $1 candy is too expensive if no one buys it.
Disney: We canceled the Acolyte due to the budget 😉.
Me : I Call The Bullshit 😉.
To expensive......... Has anyone else's bullcrap meter gone off yet? Because I know it can't just be me.
It's partially true though, because that abomination WAS insanely expensive. But Disney carefully omits that the main reason is that the Acolyte was horrible and pretty much nobody liked it.
i mean, they're not technically wrong, it totally was not worth the money they spent on it
it's also a lie by omission of course, and a tacit acknowledgement that the ratings were, in fact, garbage... but technically they're not wrong
you know what cracks me up most about that "power of one, power of two, power of many" thing? disney created a song for Agatha, the Witch's Road, and it was really good. so they can do it if they wanted to.... sigh
Well it would be expensive if they kept making that failing show
Too expensive for Disney, a company that has billions in $$$? Unless they are in red numbers or something... yeah, right this claim. Everyone and their mothers know the real reason why this was canceled.
The Capolyte
You missed a R between the C and A.
@pauljanetzke yeah that too, I'm talking about the reasoning for the cancellation
It was a $231therapy session for Leslie Hedlund
$#!+ characters, $#!+ plot, and $#!+ dialogue makes for a $#!+ show.
That was one of the better reviews. Honesty, without the hate. You nailed it sir
Disney has come to the conclusion that they will do better with infinite reruns of "Bluey"
"So...what budget would make Acolyte worth it?"
"$60k"
"Per episode?"
"For the whole thing."
Revenge Of The Sith and Ewoks' The Battle For Endor are both better than The Acolyte.
Andor is getting a second season because Disney couldn't legally wiggle their way out of greenlighting it.
And the sky is blue too? I'll be damned this sure is a day for having my mind blown.
The last time I was this early was... Never.
The last time I was this early, I was trying to work out how a trilogy could start with Part 4...
All I can say to that exec is...."NO SH*T, SHERLOCK!"
The Power of One... The Power of Two... The Power of FAILUUUUUUUUUUUUURE!
dana walden always has a 1000 yard stare like no thought is going on behind those eyes lol
i mean, it was made with hundreds of millions of dollars: it was bound to fail.
when is something too expensive? well, when it costs more than it produces, simple.
For a frame of reference, $180 million is what was used to make Wall-E (in the early & mid 2000s). Which is a brilliant film. With great visuals. And a riveting story.
They use $180 million, we get this. There is a problem somewhere.
The budget of 1, the budget of 2.. The budget of manyyyyyyyyyyyyy...
Proof that "the power of many" (millions) is nothing without good wtiting
Watch Baggade Claims video about it, she really did a good dissecting of it and its purpose.
Saying "it failed because too expensive" is like saying the White Sox had record-setting season this year. Technically true, but completely misleading.
Once again, I have to say that Carrie-Anne Moss was utterly wasted on The Acolyte.
Since Star Wars' story takes place over so many points in the timeline, I hope they get a chance to put her in something else.
A show is only over budget if it doesn’t make the studio money back…
THE POWER WITHIN! Yeah.
Money laundering is ALWAYS "too expensive".
Imagine being Bob Iger and going to a hollywood party and having to talk to person after person about the acolyte. If you're proud of something, then maybe you give it a reprieve. Andor? yes. The Acolyte? No.
Giving Lesley Headland $250 million to make a show is like putting Ghislaine Maxwell in charge of a women's shelter and more people need to put pressure on Iger for this shit.
Too expensive? Yet they still pay for it.
The acolyte has to be some kind of tax scam or money laundering scheme because this show could not have cost this much.
let's see how amandaler tries to turn this into about being racism. and how manny will still claim the show can still be saved
The Hackolyte wasn't canceled for costing too much money, it was canceled for not generating enough revenue. Studios will toss literal millions of dollars into a show as long as it turns enough of a profit. (Rings of Powder, SheBulk, Ass Soaker, The Baby Yoda Show, Boba Tea, The Mindy Kaling Self-Insert Show, etc.) Once that profit's gone, so is the show. "That's Hollywood, baby!"
If studios think we've been sleeping under rocks for the past several decades, that's on them. We all know why shows get canceled, and it almost always boils down to the 💵.
It was FAR too expensive, I think the official stated cost was like $300,000,000 or something stupid like that and that was just the stated cost. The actual cost was likely well past double that.
It's obviously a combination of the two things. It was very expensive and almost no one watched it 😊
the "power of moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey..."
Well said.
Andor S2 was reported at ~650M !!! ?!
It was too “something”…. For sure …. .
Dunno if Babylon 5 should have had a higher budget. I loved the look when it came out (yes, I'm old enough to have watched it on free to air TV in the 90's). God I loved that show, and the early CGI was part of it. Would some DS9 practical effects made it better? Dunno
RIP Jerry Doyle (Mr. Garabaldi).
@@dashcamandy2242 So many of the cast gone beyond the veil...
THAAA POWERRR OF MONEEEEEEYYYYYYY
I'd say making shit isn't worth the cost as well.
I hope that just means Disney is finally out of money.
What was the budget blown on? I saw very few effects in the series.
Basil. The sets often felt small, but you'd assume that they spent a lot of money on alien costumes for extras. I think there was a CGI sequence going through an asteroid field - which didn't have a lot of drama. In a different production, CGI is for high value moments. It seems a problem if you spend millions on background characters or characters who don't drive the plot.
The budget was spent all on the lightsaber hair cutting scene.
If the budget was 0, they would keep it.
You had to include the singing man lol
Very spot on. If the show was actually any good, then it would’ve had ratings and the costs would be justified.
Merit matters the most.
Tbf, it'd be hard to justify pumping money into a show nobody watched
I do believe that yes, Disney didnt followed up because the show was too expensive, after all the cost of the show was $230 million that is significant higher that other shows, after all only reason we are hearing about Andor Season 2 is because the show was better received, could Disney lower the budget for The Acolyte season 2?
Here is the question, how much of the budget was due to the production blowing over it? Another issue is the Showrunner were if Disney had no confidence on her sticking to the budget instead of adding like a extra $50 million could they remove her? Considering who she is I think the answer is no so Disney had a show that was expensive as well overbudget with a Showrunner they couldnt exactly replace ... if the show was cheaper, you bet or if the show had acclaim instead of being seen negatively by critics and audiences alike.
If the show was significant cheaper I bet would get renewal and I suspect the people involved were suprised Disney didnt renewed considering who they were but Disney had the numbers and knew it was going to blow $300+ million on a season 2 for low viewership and since there was no around it, just cancelled it.
Hopefully this doesn't have a negative effect on Manny Jacinto's career.
Even people from the groups and demographs they were pandering to were sh**tting on the show. That should tell you something.
I see my typo below..I think they spent $231.00 on the writing!!!!
When your $250 million TV show looks like 10% of the budget actually went into production, it's sexist to point that out.
Youve gotta loce how the trash takes itself out these days.
Disney will of course learn nothing and just do it all ocer again
green smoke divirse quuer farting space witches arent that what starwars always wanted?
Expensive Hot TRASH!!! 🤣
I'm glad I didn't watch it.
If the show wasn't a massive dumpster fire, they would have laundered more money...er, spent more money...on making another season.
If they tried to make another season of this show, too many people will be looking at the money with a critical eye.
Is finger banging the gen-z way of climbing the corporate adder? :D (attempted humour!, just in case).
______________________________
On the budget, if the show had cost a couple of million, perhaps it would have been seen as successful, so yes, too expensive - just bullshit for internal system failure in their show approval process.
They should just sell Star Wars off, like they did with the Power Rangers. They bought the Power Rangers for a fortune, and sold it for pocket change since it was obvious they couldn't do anything good with the IP. They're doing the same thing with Star Wars, better to sell it to someone who would be more capable of doing a good job with it. Maybe George would buy it back and throw everything he could at it to repair the damage that's been done to the brand.
I mean looking at its budget their not wrong.
I mean it was over 3 times the budget of Kenobi and didn’t even have a big name actor.
On the other hand, Arcane's budget was a whopping $250 million which is $20 million over the acolyte's budget. But unlike thay aforementioned dumpster fire the LoL show is well made and money well spent.
Nerdrodic and Critical Drinker called this before it came out.
Bit late to the party.
They could have gotten more viewers if they just blamed the fans harder
I love B5 and while it didn’t have the money the ship battles actually still look good today, B5 and DS9 are in my top 5 shows of all time (sadly legend of the rangers a spin-off from B5 is actually in my top ten worst shows of all time even beating out shows like Lex and team knightrider).
Budget? LMAO. Talk about cope. It was a crap show that never should have been made. A complete waste of resources.
ie. wasn't worth the price.
They canceled it because it was an amateurish, subpar , farce of a television show which was terribly made and horrible to watch ! 😵💫🤦🏽
the only thing that show was really good for was the memes.
It sucked. Nothing further needed.
Lol
That and the lead making a cringy dis track
Ah yes, "kiss, kiss, couscous." Or whatever she mumbled.
First
It was “modern average,” at best. I’m sure the budget comment relates to how it cost a lot and did not make up for it. At least it didn’t break the lore. No, altering a bottom-tier side character’s birthday does not have an effect on the lore.
This shows look incredible? Are you blind? Only Andor looked good. Yhe rest look cheap.
Well when a product makes no money it becomes too expensive no matter what you budgeted 😂