Open invitation for Roman Catholics are you interested in a discussion? Like to suggest topic for me to respond to? I would like to have streams with open mic for Roman Catholics to join in ask questions, your beliefs, and have a respectful conversation slash debate. If you are interested please leave some comments below and also send me an email. This is for Roman Catholics and also Christian apologists who might be interested in future discussions. Leave me a comment or send me an email at bereanperspectiveapologetics@gmail.com Kelly 2 Peter 3:18
Only weak Catholic idiots who don't know anything like Grendon or Ortlund are joining with the satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man but strong and highly educated protestants who know the truth are leaving the satanic cult to join with the Church of saints that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter
In every reach out what is important and from the word of God and the first step; to deal with the kingdom of darkness or the beast system one must first be soaked in prayers and fasting before going out for battle.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics you can debate a lutheran and become Catholic with the objections you gave here lol, infact we can get eastern orthodox, oriental orthodox, to defend our doctrines in the early church and you would still fail to object Catholicism
Yes and the 1st century church was free of creepy dolls and statues and mary doctrines 😮😮😮 that church was free of silly rosaries and indulgences and penances😅
@@roses993 St. Ignatius Of Antioch A.D. 110 See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there, let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8)
@@MinionThomist 😆 stop parroting that stupid mantra. Let me ask you was the OT written before the first century, so where was your pagan cult then? Another question what is the last book of the NT written and when? Where was your pagan cut then please identify and give proof of the Roman Catholic Cult at that time. I’ll wait for your facts.
The Church stands on a three legged stool. 1. The teaching office of the Church (Magisterium). 2. Sacred Scripture in its written form (Bible) and Sacred Tradition (the oral teachings of the apostles) under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Both the living Tradition and the written Scriptures have their common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. You will never get a Protestant to agree with Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium of the Church.
Well, I was Protestant my whole life. Went to Bible college, pastoral intern for a couple years and after setting aside my presuppositions about Catholicism and seeing it from their perspective Catholicism makes the most sense historically and biblically.
I'm Orthodox, and will happily debate any topic with you. Patristics, communion, tradition, intercession, mariology, whatever. You can keep it Apostolic with the above topics or we can discuss Orthodox specific theology. I went through Chrismation 10 years ago and have studied most days since.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Awesome. If you let me know when you're planning on going live I'll hop on. I think if you're going to talk about Apostolic doctrine generally, which you seem to do more often than not, you should address us Orthodox alongside the Catholics. Of course if you are referring to specific Catholic doctrine like the Papacy, then by all means let them deal with it.
Luke 11:27 (MKJV) And it happened as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice and said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which You have sucked. Luke 11:28 (MKJV) But He said, No; rather, blessed are they who hear the Word of God and keep it.
When I ask Protestants the name of their church or denomination, they don't answer. When I ask them whether their denomination is found in the Bible, they don't answer. Whether their doctrines are found in the Bible, they don't answer (they don't even like to mention their doctrines). When I ask them if I left the Catholic Church which church or denomination would they recommend me to join, they don't answer. It intrigues me as to why Protestants, particularly the evangelicals, don't want to speak about their denominations but focus their attention on the Catholic Church almost entirely.
There is only doctrine they all unanimously agree on - the Catholic Church they false believe to be false. But hey, I get protestants now who tell me they aren't protesting anything and assume the lineage of their theology can be traced all the way back to the Apostles. Sola Scriptura is not a unanimous doctrine (Anglicans and Methodists). Sola Fide is not unanimous because there can be differences in how "faith/fide" is defined, and whether the Protestant utilises "works" as proof of an inner transformation or not.
@BereanPerspectiveApologetics it was the Catholic church that gave you the bible. Just a fyi to try and jar you from all the misconceptions you have of the Catholic church. God bless. Hope this helps you a bit. :)
@@perennem_equitem_57the church didn't write job, Esther, genesis.etc. they only compiled the books. Not difficult to do. Also catholics didn't want commoners (aka you) to have access to bible. Thank reformers for helping you get that access
@@roses993 ill be honest, I'm somewhat happy the protestant reformation occurred and many of the 95 theses were valid criticisms, but I think complete separation from the founding church was a bit overzealous. And the catholic church still deserves its credit for compiling the bible, it had a large number of books and letters to go through, not exactly easy.
I watched the whole video and wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, as I was once where you are now. though everything you said that wasn't in the early Church is easily found maybe you just haven't seen them before: For instance Peter as Pope and the Eucharist before the 100s AD was even midway through by the disciples of the First Apostles. God may calling you to this discussion but as someone who has been down this road; He wants you to come Home to the Catholic Church. I hate Debates but I can suggest some books that helped me leave the Protestant church
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsgo read 1 Clement bishop of Rome who healed a schism in Corinth. Way over Clement’s apostolic jurisdiction. If the bishop of Romes authority was only local then Clement and the christian’s in Rome before 100 AD were already power hungry and the Christians in the East were already in heresy. OR the bishop of Rome DID have this authority to be appealed to when local synods or patriarchs could not fix or heal a problem within the church. Which the the claim Rome makes. Which is the highest level of appeal any bishop can make eventually you get to the top which is Rome
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics I’d point to as an example: Clements First Epistle to Corinth dating to around 90-96AD. He writes on behalf of Rome; and remember Peter Himself taught this man
Catholics only believe that there are two places as well: Heaven or Hell If you are going to speak out against Catholic beliefs, please at least know the actual teaching and not opinions/discussions on what something "might be". Purgatory is a process of purification before we stand before God. There are MANY Bible verses that say God is a refining fire. Revelation says that nothing impure is in Heaven. Paul says that when we are judged, our "wrong" acts are burned away as if by fire. Most of what you said, is just mistaken ideas of what is actually taught and I didn't even get through the whole video.
@@hirakisk1973 Rom 5:9 DRC Christ died for us; much more therefore, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from wrath through him. Rom 5:10 DRC For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son; much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. Rom 5:11 DRC And not only so; but also we glory in God, through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received reconciliation.
Luk 16:22 KJV And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Luk 16:23 KJV And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luk 16:24 KJV And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
@@ravinderchahal2391 Every single verse has nothing to do with a purification before we stand before God. Even in your last example of the beggar. He doesn't go to Heaven, he is in Sheol (Abraham's bosom, which had different areas) and "Hell" isn't the "lake of fire" that is the punishment after the final judgment. Do you believe that here on earth we are being sanctified (becoming more like Christ) and that is DIFFERENT than our initial justification? Do you believe that here on earth, we will not be perfect and will still be tempted and many times still sin? Do you believe that there is nothing impure in Heaven?
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades WILL NOT PREVAIL against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19)
and..... "15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 “Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”" MATTHEW 18:15-20 "21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”" JOHN 20:21-23 "11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love." EPHESIANS 4:11-16 Don't cherry pick a pretext of Scripture. Peter is not the authority, the authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc.
Peter was rebuffed by Paul over a certain matter. Would he be a protestant. Peter was a spokesmanfor the apostles. The apostles all became bold leaders of faith. I'm amazed at Thomas ministry still happening in India.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics "the authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc." Finally a Protestant who admits this to be true! And how does the Bible tell us this authority passed on to the elders, pastors etc.?
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsthe authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc. ??? My friend how can this be possible if anyone interprets the Bible as they like? Who has the truth if there are disagreements? According to the bible, the church is the pillar of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15). If the Bible is truth then one denomination is right and the other ones are wrong
Just saw this in my recommendations. I'm a truck driver/farmer and not an apologist but being a convert I enjoy the dialogue and spend a lot of time engaging in it with friends and family. Maybe a topic worth discussing is works-based salvation or salvation by grace in faith. That recent debate between Jimmy Akin and those two protestant guys went over those and it seemed really fruitful, not as much difference than most think.
Let's have discussion on sola fide: Following the Reformers you believe: 1. Justification is once for all and is by faith alone (sola fide) 2. Through Justification you are counted/declared as righteous but remain unrighteous/sinner. 3. Through Justification an exchange took place between you and Christ, known as double imputation. You get Christ' righteousness as if that righteousness were yours while you remain unrighteous/sinner and Christ got all your sins (past, present and future) as if those sins were His while He remains sinless. My objection on point 1: The phrase "justified by faith" appears four times in New Testament (Rom. 3:28, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24). New Testament was written in Greek and the one in Rom. 3:28 is in Greek passive present tense while the rest are in Greek passive aorist tense . Both tenses do not indicate once for all justification. If Scripture teaches faith-alone justification, then the Holy Spirit would inspire Paul to write the phrase "justified by faith" in Greek passive perfect tense. Unlike that of English Greek perfect tense indicates the action described by the verb (to be justified) was completed in the past with continuing effect to the present . My objection on point 2: Scripture denies you can be righteous and sinner at the same time in Eze. 33:12-13: “the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins. Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die.” My objection on point 3: Scripture denies double imputation in what Eze. 18:20 says: “The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” One verse always cited to support double imputation is 2 Cor. 5:21: “For our sake he [God] made him [Christ] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” However, the verse says we become the righteousness of God, while according to imputation we do not become righteous - we are counted as righteous based on righteousness of Christ, but we remain unrighteous. The verse also says Christ who knew no sin to be sin. In contrast imputation does not make Christ sin as the verse says. To explain what 2 Cor. 5:21 means, in Hebrew the same one word (חַטָּאָת, khat-taw-aw’, Strong H2403) is used for both sin (Gen. 18:20, Exo. 34:9 etc.) and sin offering (Lev. 4:8, 16:3, 5 etc.). According to Leviticus 16 once a year the High Priest chose one of two goats as sin offering (or sin, חַטָּאָת) to atone the sins of all Israelites (Lev. 16:8-9). That goat was sacrificed, and its blood sprinkled on and before the mercy-seat (Exo. 25:16-20, Lev. 16:15) and on the horns of the altar (Lev. 16:18). The sins of all Israelites were imputed on the second goat, that was not sacrificed but released in the wilderness as scapegoat (Lev. 16:8, 21-22). In the New Covenant Christ is the High Priest (Heb. 4:14, 9:11) and He offered Himself as sin offering or sin (Heb. 9:12). While He died to atone our sins on the cross, our sins are not imputed on Him, just like the sins of all Israelites are not imputed on the first goat in Lev. 16:8-9. Therefore 2 Cor. 5:21 talks about the atonement of sinless Christ made on the cross where He became sin (sin offering). What he did enable us to become the righteousness of God, partakers of divine nature (2 Pe. 1:4). If the goat in the Old Testament was able to atone the sins of all Israelites without their sins imputed on it, certainly Christ can atone the sins of all men without their sins imputed on Him. I look forward to receiving your response.
@@DarkHorseCrusaderwhen Paul called himself the worst of all sinners, did he not partake? Was he not a child of God? What do you want us to say? That we pride ourselves in our sins? That we speak highly and mightily of ourselves and look down on protestants? That we are sinless like you consider the idolized version of Mary to be? Jesus Christ should be lifted up as Moses lifted up the head of the serpent for the people of Israel to be healed. Paul said I have nothing to boast about except Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I think we should all have that attitude instead of dwelling in pride as if we have earned salvation by our good works when it was a gift from God.
To demonstrate the existence and truth of the Christian doctrine of Sola Fide, a case will be presented using content and the adjacent context from the Book of James. James: The literal last place anyone who denies the doctrine of Sola Fide would ever look if they bothered to read it fully and in its revealed context. James 2:24 (This is the verse that is favored by Catholics to affirm their belief that faith and works are the critical elements to the attainment of salvation). 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. Answer: What Catholics misunderstand about this verse is that it is not affirming that faith and works are mutual to the attainment of salvation but that righteousness is expressed through faith. James elaborates upon this and affirms that the attainment of salvation is exclusively by faith and not by works; for works are the expression; the proof of ones faith. In order to explain this point, James will make reference to father Abraham (and this is exactly why you should ALWAYS read the surrounding scripture of whatever biblical information one is appealing too). James 2:21-23 (The verses that preceded James 2:24). 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his [faith and his actions were working together], and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “[Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness],” and he was called God’s friend. James is explaining that Abraham was not made righteous by his work but his faith which was affirmed because of his actions. Abraham trusted God, and he demonstrated that trust through his actions. And now, going even deeper: Romans 4:2-5 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. The one who does works to attain justification does so to their own benefit and so what they would receive is not a gift but a wage; and so there negates the [gift] of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). In addition, scripture has made it clear what becomes of those that rely on their works and not exclusively upon faith and why that condemns: Matthew 7:21-23. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ This is why works alone cannot save but also why the dependence on works with ones faith also cannot save but negates the gift of Grace. Romans 11:6 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. So what is it that God desires us to do? John 6:29 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” Keep in mind that the one who DOES NOT WORK is still counted as righteous and is justified by God. God is being consistent with His revelation that salvation is based exclusively by faith by assuring the reader that even without works they are saved because, if there was an obligation to do works, the one who did not do works would be condemned, but the exact opposite is true instead. Saved by faith, even WITHOUT works is affirmed and assured by God Himself. Faith + works = saved. Faith + no works = saved. Works = not saved. Relying on works with faith = not saved. Therefore: Faith = saved. And, added scripture to affirm that point: Mark 16:16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. To conclude: Abraham was vindicated by his works, by Living faith; not by what he said or claimed but what he did which was his expression of his faith. Living faith is active faith; it does not say and then not do but does exactly what it says it will do. Many people will say things of faith, but actions that do not follow that profession of faith is evidence of a dead faith, for if someone has living faith then their works, their profession of faith will vindicate them; prove the life of their faith. Keep in mind that not everyone will profess their faith, nor can some do works owing to individual circumstances, but that does not mean they are without faith or that they have no faith ll and it especially does not mean they are condemned. One proves the life of their faith through their works but God does not condemn the one who does not work; as He sees the life of ones faith, which may be as small as a mustard seed but even such a minute amount of faith is more than enough to justify that individual. Additional Scriptures that affirm Sola Fide: Galatians 5:1 1 So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law. Galatians 3:22 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Acts 13:39 39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Romans 3:28. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Galatians 2:20 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Romans 8:1-3 Life Through the Spirit 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, Galatians 3:11 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith." Romans 1:17 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed-a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. John 3:15 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:17 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:18 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 6:40 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:47 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. Romans 10:9-10. 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and [believe in your heart] that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you [believe and are justified], and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 1 John 5:13. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. Mark 16:16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Salvation does NOT require any contribution or dependence on works. The doctrine of faith and works asserted by the Catholic church is affirmed false by Gods Revelation.
@@markmeyer4532 If you want to have discussion you should read what I wrote and make response based on it. What you do is dispensing response that has nothing to do with what I wrote - you are acting like automated answering machine.
I would like to see you engage more with Catholic understandings of the development of doctrine -- as the Catechism states, "even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries" (par. 66). E.g., much of what you deem "unbiblical" in Catholicism, Catholics find in Scripture _implicitly_ , at a deeper rather than superficial level of the text (such as typology in the case of Marian doctrines), which took time to formulate in doctrinal language.
Can I make a statue of you and burn candles while I stand in front of your statue calling you most holy and asking for your intercessions and prayers? Or should I pray to God?
@@SeekTheCross Its not an either/or. Catholics only pray to God (as Protestants define it). Do you ask your friends/family to pray for you? If so, then you better stop if you don't think that others can pray for you.
@@SeekTheCross Why do Protestants always propose a choice, an either/or. instead of Both. Can I not ask you to pray for me *AND* pray to God...both? Where does scripture say if you pray to God, you cannot ask friends to pray for you. or if you ask friends to pray for you, you cannot pray to God?
@@dave_ecclectic You are strawmanning me. I can ask my friends to pray for me, but when their bodies lay cold in the grave I can no longer ask them nothing. If I would ask them after they died I would be a diviner.
@@hirakisk1973 Others can pray for me, however they cannot pray TO me and I cannot pray TO them, especially when they have fallen asleep. All of us must pray to God alone. Once we pray to something or someone else, we are in error.
The Eucharist is Christianity. The Eucharist is Jesus. Without the Eucharist you can not be Christian. If you are against the Eucharist, you are an anti-Christ. The Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian faith. Thank a Catholic for the Bible. We canonized it.
When I ask Protestants to show me where I can find the Church that Jesus founded, they don't answer. When I ask them what happened to the prayer of Jesus and Paul for unity in the Church, they have no answer.
I have an answer. The church that Jesus founded is alive! All the beautiful churches that preach the gospel and believe in the Trinity are the church that He founded!❤❤
@@roses993 That answer doesn’t make sense when tens of thousands of Protestant denominations have vastly different interpretations, conflicting doctrines, and promote morals that go against the will of God. Believing in the Trinity is necessary but not the minimum. Truth is not relative. God’s truth is singular and the fullness of that truth can only be found in the church Jesus Christ established in 33AD - the 2,000 year old Catholic Church. We don’t simply believe in the Trinity. The Catholic Church dogmatized the Trinity in 325AD with the authority conferred on it by Jesus Christ.
You should address the Catholic arguments for the teachings you disagree with. Go through a Scott Hahn video about the Eucharist or Marian devotion or the pope. The teachings are there. Early and often. I think a reaction video would be helpful for everyone
Let me see what my schedule is like in the next few weeks. I'm working on getting my channel up and started finally so this would be a good start I think. Just gotta get my schedule cleared first.
I'll pray for you today in front of Jesus in adoration that you see the real presence in every Catholic church and stop lieing about Catholic doctrine. If you truly don't understand you can't even start to debate. We DO NOT pray TO Mary! Ever ask your mom for help? Get over it please.
The only reason u can read the Bible (if you even do at all), is because of reformers. Catholic church didn't want bible access for commoners. Or even interpretation of the Bible. HISTORY is not on the catholic churchs side😮
The truth is that Luther removed 7 books from the protestant Bible. And one refers to purgatory. And Jesus gave the keys to his kingdom to Peter, the first pope.
@@nosuchthing8 You're confused. Luther didn't remove any book from the Bible and none of the early church fathers taught purgatory, plus according to the church fathers the key was giving to all the disciples. Go and educate yourself on church history and stop regurgitating lies told to you.
Thanks for this opportunity! Roman Catholic here…I’d be happy to discuss any topics that you’d like. For starters I’d like to ask how does Protestantism teach or explain how Adam was a type of Jesus (Romans 5:14) and that Jesus is a New Adam ( 1Cor. 15:45)? And what is its significance ( as Paul mentions it twice). We Catholics typically look how the NT lies hidden in the OT and the OT is made manifest in the NT…to quote St. Augustine. Thanks for your time!
Here are my questions for you (or every other Protestant): 1. How do you know that your interpretation of the salvific doctrines right? Specifically, how do you know that your strategy of interpretation is the only correct one or even the correct one for that passage? That we should only look at the literary context of a passage, and not topologies or metaphors or make other connections? Not aware where scripture makes any hermeneutical rules so I am curious of anyone's certainty on the interpretation of passages pertaining to doctrines like say the Eucharist. 2. How do you know that Philemon or Esther or Revelation or 2 Peters or Song of Solomon is Scripture. There are close to a billion Protestants on the planet and I haven't come across a single Biblically cogent response to any of these questions. Not saying they don't exist - just that I haven't been fortunate to find them. Curious of your take on this at an in depth and intellectually rigorous level.
Exposing and refuting the lies and heresies of Rome is not hate. What is hateful is to distort biblical truths and anathematize anyone who calls you out. What is disrespectful is to distort the person of Mary from the biblical narrative and turn her into a pagan goddess.
@@boom-botz444 thats not true though, I have seen Catholics and Orthodox condemn Protestants and even meme's about unaliving Protestants from a Orthodox meme channel.
I’d like anyone to show me from the scripture alone, as it is the sole, final, and ultimate source of infallibility to teach on matters of faith and morals, where the scriptures teach about a New Testament canon that consist of only 27 books and what those books are. I usually get non-biblical traditions, fallible history, an appeal to fallible councils, or some vague self defeating logical argument instead of the infallible scriptures.
Catholic here- address the Marian apparitions through history. Take your pick of any 3, I would suggest Fatima, Medjugorje, and Guadalupe as these are probably the most famous. God bless!
Satan also does fake signs and wonders. John evangelist nor anyone in the 1st/2nd century had mary "apparitions". Mary doctrines were invented 3 centuries after Christ Read your bible. Zero mary apparitions and satan comes as angel of light too😮 (sorry, those apparitions were not mary!)
@@roses993 Because he debated Kelly and already destroyed him and Kelly just keeps bringing up ad hominem and strawman attacks lol. Even commenters who were Protestant have said that Sam and William Albrecht beat Kelly, just another Protestant apologist who bends and twists Catholic teachings spreading false witness with no ground to stand on, especially when comforted with what the Church Fathers clearly believed and were taught by the Apostles.
@@roses993 Sam is a guy who just recently embarrassed Daniel haqiqatjou, one of the most popular Muslim apologist. He’s not running away from anyone lol.
@@bobizzle1605 actions speak louder than words. And sam has asked kelly to show up. And when he does, he's blocked. Just because u are a big shot doesn't mean u can beat ever single person. Sam wins against Islam, no doubt. But in regards to Christianity, many heresies come out of his mouth
John 6 is the culmination of the Gospel. It is a covenant. The new covenant is the body and blood of Christ. Jesus did not say receive my body and blood spiritually. Otherwise the disciples would not have gone away coz it would be an easy teaching. However, Jesus meant that literary therefore it is a hard teaching and they went away
I would like you to defend your faith as we Catholics are always asked or forced to do. Tell us why we should believe a church that came into being in the last forty years as opposed to the Church Jesus built 1,990 years ago. Why should we believe you as opposed to those who have an unbroken line of _hands laid on them_ back to the Apostles with the Holy Spirit given to them. with literally -millions- _Trillions_ of man hours of contemplation of the Holy Book. Why is your refusal to obey Jesus and not keep any of the Sacraments correct? While our following what is in the Bible and obeying Jesus is incorrect? Where does the Bible say anyone can pick up a book and start not only a church but start teaching what the Bible means. So, rather than have you attempt to give reasons not to be Catholic, how about explaining why anyone would want to be??? whatever it is you are? I don't even know what your denomination is. Why your _flavor_ of your denomination, and not another? Why is yours right and all the others wrong? Thats the vid I would like to see.
I’d like to see that also. So many Protestants attack Catholics like rabid dogs foaming at the mouth but run as soon as any historical facts or basic questions are posed to them.
The problem with arguing with other "denominations" is they each go by their own extrabiblical scripture. JWs have their NWT, Catholics have Apocrypha and church tradition which they claim as fact..., it's just a pain to get them on the same page. A time is coming, and maybe has come already, where we shouldn't say "I belong to Paul" or "I belong to Apollos". Or this person worships on the mountain, while we worship in the temple. Jesus is coming soon - maybe we need to focus on the nations. Keep up the good work brother!
Every trinitarian church, not just Catholics, prior to the 1500s used the 7 books of the Duterocanon as part of their Bibles. You're fine to disagree that they are God breathed, but can we be historically accurate?
And you go to the extra biblical source of whatever you think it's truth rather than the truth taught by Christ and the apostles passed down to the Church Christ established
@@alisterrebelo9013 Exactly. Even though Martin Luther moved them to an appendix in his Bible, the Deuterocanon were still in all Bibles until the 19th Century when Protestant book publishers decided to remove them to save on money. We have historical evidence now that the Protestant Reformers (Luther, Calvin Zwingli etc) didn't have that the early Christians and Church used the Septuagint version of the Bible that included those 7 books. Protestants mistakenly thought that Rabbinical Judaism was the same as the Judaism in the Bible and copied them on a lot of things. Things which we know are not true now and that Rabbinical Judaism was created AFTER the destruction of the temple and spread of Christianity in response to those things and tried to differentiate itself. Including using different manuscript traditions that obscure that Jesus was the promised Messiah (the famous "virgin" vs. "young woman" debate from Isaiah for example).
Let's be historically truthful. The problem with other "denominations" is that they removed scripture (books) because it didn't agree with their opinions. The Deuterocanon were a part of Christian tradition from the Apostles forward. Those first 7 books were all listed as "inspired scripture" along with the NT books. Protestants accept that same church council to support the NT, but somehow claim that they got it wrong for the OT, even though there was a much longer history of those books being used by Jews and Christians.
It just depends on how you have represented Catholic teaching. I don't know about your channel and haven't really watched any of your videos, but I have watched a lot of Protestant Christian channels from their perspective of Catholicism. The best way to approach Catholics is to steelman the Catholic position using their teachings on the subject of discussion, and then re-approach the Catholic position with your bias or perspective. If you have done any of these; - Failed to steelman the Catholic position by inserting your own personal opinion of what Catholicism is... - Failed to show that what you think is the Catholic Church is actually true by giving explicit Catholic doctrine... - Committed to strawman arguments against the Catholic Church... - Say things that contradict Catholic Church teaching... ... Then you have earned the ire of Catholics who you say that you have represented well and claim to respect. If you have done any of these; - Represented Catholic teaching by providing explicit and contextual evidence of Catholic teaching... - Steelmaned Catholic teaching without inserting bias (during the steelman process, opinions are good to make afterward)... - Express understanding and are showing that you indeed are sowing the seeds that bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit and not bearing fruits of false witness... ... Then you will gain the respect of Catholics. For starters, you don't want to call Catholics "Roman Catholic" when addressing the Church as a whole, because the Roman Catholic Church is just the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, of which there are many rites of the Catholic Church. This already shows you haven't respected Catholic teaching enough to want to get even the little things correct. So if your videos are in the same vain as this little error, your biggest errors in representing Catholic teaching will paint your criticisms in a bad light rather than in the spirit of understanding. That is to say, why trust you on your biggest criticisms if you get the little things wrong?
I'm not catholic apologist or scholar, but I will give you the reason why in catholic we pray to Mary and saints. And to be precise we do not worship Mary. We give her the upmost respect for her as Mother Of God, because Jesus is God. And the way she accept the calling from the God to give birth to Jesus in Luke 1:38 Then Mary said, “I am willing to be used of the Lord. Let it happen to me as you have said.” Then the angel went away from her. This is one of the reason ,that we can respect her act of faith that she surrender 100% to God. Second, Mary conceive Jesus, which means make her holy. Because Jesus is God. There are more reason that I want to write, but it will be too long to write it. LoL Now about saint. Why we pray to them. First you need to understand that praying is asking not just worship. In Hail Mary prayer, it does not contain to grant our prayer, only God can do that, instead we ask Mary to pray for us. Now in catholic we believe that Mary in heaven, and the apostles does too. So they are the one who have a close relationship with Jesus. We can see back how the way saint life back then, because they lived a humble life and devoted their life for Jesus. Some got martyred. And when we pray to them miracles happened, its not only once but minimum it has to be two miracles. This is why we pray for them to pray for us, so God will grant our prayer. And once again it's not saints who grant the prayer, only God grant our prayers. In James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. The prayer of righteous person is powerful, this is why we pray to Mary , Joseph, angels, and saints. In catholic or even protestant we always ask our family, friends, or even stranger to pray for us, Does that mean we worship them or the other way? It's not like that right? We asked for their help to pray for us so God grant our prayers. Hopefully you can understand my explanation why we pray to them, and sorry for the bad english. English is not my first language, lol. And btw even if you are protestant, catholic, orthodox. As long as you follow and put your faith in Jesus Christ, moreover you willing to do what Father in heaven in you. You guys are my brothers and sisters in Christ. And I pray one day, we as Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant and other denominations can be united again as one church together, and following Jesus Christ together. Amen God bless you, have a nice day.
Brother. Jesus gave authority to his apostles and said whatever they hold as law he will hold and whatever they loose he will loose in heaven. Isn't that giving them permission to create traditions and dogma for the church they were commanded to start? I apologize as I'm not too recall exact verse and sayings in my limited bible study as a common Catholic. But I'm sure you know which exact verse in referring too?
Matthew 16:19. And yes that is correct. However Protestants argue that this authority died with the Apostles and isn't passed down to the next generation, even though hands were laid and the Holy Spirit comes down on the elders (bishops).
@@jtec99 No problem, I used to be terrible at recollecting the verse numbers, but we have to spend more time reading and re-reading the Bible. And then it becomes easier to recall.
Might as well go for the roots, do one on divine authority and whether Christ left built an authoritative Church or an authoritative book. At the end of the day no matter what topics you go over the matter of authority is at the heart of them. Also to sweeten the deal ask for feedback on misrepresentations, find out where Catholics think you're not playing on the same field since that kills engagement. Ask them whether they really believe, or whether the Church really teaches things like works get us to heaven. God bless you.
I think it would benefit everyone if you would stick to topics you actually know something about. You obviously do not understand the teachings, history or beliefs of the Catholic Church. So I would request that you leave it alone!
I acknowledge the rock that scripture is as a Catholic. You made claims that the Bible doesn’t teach certain doctrines. I believe it does. How does a Protestant resolve disagreements on what Scripture actually teaches? One of the things you mentioned was the perpetual virginity of Mary. You might disagree with Catholics on that, but many Protestants agree. So who is right? Who interpreted Scripture correctly? Does one need to be able to read Greek and Hebrew to correctly interpret Scripture? Protestants disagree on many things, even things that seem essential. So again the question for you to address is: how do we interpret Scripture and what do we do about disagreements?
Sola scriptura Christians. They place all of the authoritative teaching on something which derives from the magesterium. Ironic. The canon Protestants follow was discerned and determined at a Catholic council. The council of Rome.
I’d just like to point out you are conflating praying to saints and praying to God. Catholics do not pray to saints in the same way we pray to God. It’s a semantical understanding of the word pray. Catholics use the word pray meaning: to ask for. Just like we ask friends to pray for us. In regards to your comment on nowhere in the Bible it says the Eucharist and that we take John 6 out of context. I recommend to watch How to be Christian UA-cam channel he has a two part video series where he goes over that specific scripture. Possibly reach out to Farris (creator of that channel) he may be willing to debate you
I am in RCIA right now and I am really being turned off by the prayers to Mary. I am okay with asking someone to intercede for you, even if they are dead. But Catholic prayers to Mary sound identical to their worship prayers to God. IE: “I give my whole self to you Mary. Have mercy on me a sinner. Holy Queen, Assistant redeemer, thou who aren’t more feared than God. Be kind and gracious to us sinners and send us strength to overcome all evil. We give everything we are to thee, Holy Mother.” This was an amalgamation of real lines I’ve seen and heard from Catholic Prayers. How am I not supposed to take that as worship?
@@eronpowell6008 great response! This is another semantics misunderstanding. In more archaic English, to worship simply means to ascribe worth to. Throughout the anglosphere (except America), mayors are often called "your worship", especially in official contexts. Do we think our town mayors are God? Certainly not! In the old Anglican rite of marriage, the man says "With My Body I Thee Worship" to his wife as he places the ring on her finger. In modern context, worship in religious contexts has come to mean "consider to be God", so when we say "we don't worship Mary", we mean "we don't consider Mary to be God". But you will find a litany of old religious texts that use the word worship in the old way. The second problem is that for Protestants (of which I was once one) don't have the sacrifice of the mass or otherwise, and so their highest form of adoration to God is worship. We offer the sacrifice of the mass, the sacrifice of our prayers, of our joy and of our hardships. We don't offer anything to Mary or any other saint as a sacrifice. Do we offer rosaries as a sacrifice to Mary? Of course not. The Rosary was given to Mary by God to give to us, and we in turn offer it back up to God through Mary. Like anything that is offered up to God, it first came from God to then give back to him. But for Protestants, who don't have a sacrificial understanding, they see any form of praise as adoration due only to God. Hope this helps 😁
@@justenhug632 I guess it really does become about semantics. When Catholics devote their whole life and soul to Mary and pray for her redemption that appears like a sacrifice to her for me. Usually Catholics respond online by saying “it’s not technically.” But the words remain the same. What more could Catholics do to worship her short of accepting her as a fourth member of the Trinity? They use the exact same terms for her as they do for God and just quantity wise definitely pray much more to her than to God. I know technically all those prayers to Mary are ultimately to God but surely you can see why someone like me would be massively uncomfortable about that. At what point does it become worship? It truly seems to me that Catholics are already there.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics good deal I like the way you debate and dyer himself defends Orthodoxy very well I subbed hopefully you'll get the green light soon
God's word does not change until the 1500's when books were removed. (more accurately in the 1600's). I would love to see you talk to someone who knows the bible and tradition. I'd recommend Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Joe Heschmeyer and anyone else you can think of.. 1. Please address the Eucharist but use legit sources outside the bible and inside the bible on what the christians believed. John 6 Jesus is fulfilling the passover feast. It doesn't make sense for him to say that you must eat my flesh then a few chapters later he comes to the last supper during passover and says that this bread is his body. He also says that he is the sacrifical lamb. They were not eating the passover lamb but instead bread and wine. It was always understood that you must sacrifice the lamb and then put blood over the doors. Jesus is the new Lamb and he gives his body for us to eat. Wait isn't cannibalism against Jewish law? yes it is and that is why it was such a crazy teaching that many people refuse to believe. They would be like the followers who left Jesus during John 6. 2. I will grant that the papacy was developed over time but even the scripture was developed over time. You brought up that they argued about sola scriptura and they did. Which scriptures though? We have early mass writings of them reading clement of Rome's writings. Some said that only the 4 gospels were good to teach. Some said that only the old testament was ok to teach. Others would include the sheperd of hermas and other writings. In the end we have to look at the proof of what they taught and what scriptures were taught. In the end they held a council to figure out what books were in the bible because there was mass confusion. 200 years later the Jewish councils met to figure out what books they accepted. Luckily we are Christians and do not have to follow the Jewish law so we have our full bible. 3. Please address marian concerns.Such as is it too far to Call Mary mother of God since Jesus is God? Was mary a virgin her whole life and would it be wrong for her to be a virgin? Was she sinless and without blemish in the same way the original ark of the covenant was without blemish? Who was the woman in revelation who gave birth to a child? If you say the Church or Judaism I would say that is a far stretch because they did not give birth to a child to rule the kingdoms. 4. Where does authority come from? Who had the authority to put together the inspired writings of God? Was it the earliest christians or are you able to change the scripture yourself? Was Martin Luther wrong for taking the 7 books out and putting them as secondary biblical writings (not fully removing them) 5. Can saints (those in heaven who are still alive because of Jesus' sacrifice) pray for us. Can they hear our prayers? Why or why not? 6. What do Catholics do right in your opinion. It's not always fun to hear "Well catholics do this and catholics do that." I want to hear what you think Catholics do correctly. If it's nothing then I would say you are ill informed on anything Catholic and would urge you to read more. 7. If catholics are wrong then what is the true church that we were given to guide us and be the bulwark of our faith? Please include what they believe. 8. Is once saved always saved real? Does it make sense at all for paul to write letters correcting people if they were already saved? 9. Purgatory. Where did Lazarus go after he died? Heaven or Hell? Where did the woman that Peter brought back to life go? Heaven or Hell? Does it make sense that Jesus would pull these people out of eternal bliss? 10. Does Baptism Save? What does Jesus mean by water and spirit? Does water mean a physical birth. The requirement being you must be born of water and spirit and not flesh and spirit. Does this mean that all babies are not saved because they were not born of a mother and not baptized by the spirit? I'm sure there's more to be figured out but every time someone does this to a strong Catholic they generally get throttled. I hope you are ready for any of these men to take you up on this offer and are ready to defend your point of view. Also cute cat.
Iam not someone who can put in a closet, or sect iam a folower of Jezus who die fore my sin. Mabey you can make a topic about the real forgivnes of God in the book/chapter of Galaten. I believe that my salvation is not build on working bud believe in the salvation and mercy frome God. I as a sinner try do my best to follow the live of Jezus.
Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:1-9, Colossians 2:13-16, 1 John 5:10-13, John 20:31, John 3:14-18, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 16:31, 1 Peter 1:3-5, amen it truly trusting in finished work of Jesus Christ once for all sacrifice upon the cross and resurrection from the dead, and trusting in Him as the Son of God, Lord and Saviour. Not about works, not about keeping sacraments of what Catholicism teaches, not about Marian dogmas, but about the grace of God through what Jesus Christ has done and all those who truly trust in Him are saved.
@@johnflorio3576 Catholicism is new jack baal worship in my opinion. In any event, its definitely not biblical Christianity. Hopefully u can overcome ur brainwashing and actually listen to his points in the video. Please.
@@ivanvasquez9432 good to examine a person channel see what they have done who they have talked to. Link ua-cam.com/users/live8PqpBxsJJFY?si=GdEbnqYriWMnQseA
@@micahhaertner2102 Go through Vaticans and Trent, their catechisms, though AI defends their garbage (same as islame 🤔). And in honesty, compare them to what the word says. Kelly shared plenty on the latter. So don't stick with just short videos, but check his list. Screwtube often doesn't let me share links and channels for some reason, probably taking truth as hate(d) speech again
@TheCounselofTrent Trent Horn is a Catholic apologizst who has spoken with people in the past and is open to speaking with people. Maybe reach out to him.
02:30 where was that book in the first, second, third and fourth centuries? I am not going to touch on every error you made in your video, but I will address one that even catholics get wrong. At 3:05 you say the Eucharist is not "literal." Brother, show me where the catholic church uses the word "literal" in the Council of Trent Session XIII on the Eucharist.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Bro, I'm not watching a 4 hour video of some random guys. Just give me the paragraph in the 13th session of the Council of Trent where you find the word "literal."
What you are trying to say is your beliefs depend on the fact that Catholics are wrong. Your entire belief system is dependent on that. Catholics don't care what you think. Sola Scriptura is a self refuting premise. No where does the bible say scripture alone. The bible wasn't defined until late 300s. The bible was defined out of the traditions of the Apostles. Show me one Apostle, patristic Father or any theologian prior to 400 AD that believed that the Eucharist was not the real presence of Jesus. There is no one. Zero. Nada. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. You don't have to believe that. Do you think the martyrs died for a symbol? Really?
@@roses993 sure I’d be willing to do that. But I’d be more interested in a private conversation. It can be more open and less defensive if neither person feels the stress of the crowd
Open invitation for Roman Catholics are you interested in a discussion? Like to suggest topic for me to respond to? I would like to have streams with open mic for Roman Catholics to join in ask questions, your beliefs, and have a respectful conversation slash debate. If you are interested please leave some comments below and also send me an email. This is for Roman Catholics and also Christian apologists who might be interested in future discussions.
Leave me a comment or send me an email at bereanperspectiveapologetics@gmail.com
Kelly
2 Peter 3:18
Go and discuss with steve ray and scott hann
Only weak Catholic idiots who don't know anything like Grendon or Ortlund are joining with the satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man but strong and highly educated protestants who know the truth are leaving the satanic cult to join with the Church of saints that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter
In every reach out what is important and from the word of God and the first step; to deal with the kingdom of darkness or the beast system one must first be soaked in prayers and fasting before going out for battle.
Contact Trent Horn, please
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics you can debate a lutheran and become Catholic with the objections you gave here lol, infact we can get eastern orthodox, oriental orthodox, to defend our doctrines in the early church and you would still fail to object Catholicism
The Church began in AD 33, not in 1517 or 1611 or…
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Yes and the 1st century church was free of creepy dolls and statues and mary doctrines 😮😮😮 that church was free of silly rosaries and indulgences and penances😅
@@roses993 St. Ignatius Of Antioch A.D. 110
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop.
Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop or by one to whom he has entrusted it.
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there, let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
(Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8)
@MegaTechno2000 of course there were bishops, elders, but there is NO REFERENCE FOR 1 BISHOP OVER ALL CHURCHES THE BODY OF CHRIST!
You do not know better than the first 1500 years of Christian Scholars end of story
😂so true
Amen
@@MinionThomist I know Scripture, end of debate.
@@truthdefenders- the Catholic Church gave you that scripture end of debate
@@MinionThomist 😆 stop parroting that stupid mantra. Let me ask you was the OT written before the first century, so where was your pagan cult then? Another question what is the last book of the NT written and when? Where was your pagan cut then please identify and give proof of the Roman Catholic Cult at that time. I’ll wait for your facts.
The Church stands on a three legged stool. 1. The teaching office of the Church (Magisterium). 2. Sacred Scripture in its written form (Bible) and Sacred Tradition (the oral teachings of the apostles) under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Both the living Tradition and the written Scriptures have their common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ.
You will never get a Protestant to agree with Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium of the Church.
Well, I was Protestant my whole life. Went to Bible college, pastoral intern for a couple years and after setting aside my presuppositions about Catholicism and seeing it from their perspective Catholicism makes the most sense historically and biblically.
@@justenhug632 Good on you, using your reason to see the truth that God has put before us. Bless you and may you lead others to His Church.
I'm Orthodox, and will happily debate any topic with you. Patristics, communion, tradition, intercession, mariology, whatever. You can keep it Apostolic with the above topics or we can discuss Orthodox specific theology. I went through Chrismation 10 years ago and have studied most days since.
Sounds good I can also have an open discussion for those of the Orthodox Church as well. Thanks for the suggestion and interest.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Awesome. If you let me know when you're planning on going live I'll hop on. I think if you're going to talk about Apostolic doctrine generally, which you seem to do more often than not, you should address us Orthodox alongside the Catholics.
Of course if you are referring to specific Catholic doctrine like the Papacy, then by all means let them deal with it.
@@Anti-Protestant Ild like to watch that.
@@Anti-Protestant mariology. yummy
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Luke 11:27 (MKJV) And it happened as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice and said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which You have sucked.
Luke 11:28 (MKJV) But He said, No; rather, blessed are they who hear the Word of God and keep it.
When I ask Protestants the name of their church or denomination, they don't answer. When I ask them whether their denomination is found in the Bible, they don't answer. Whether their doctrines are found in the Bible, they don't answer (they don't even like to mention their doctrines). When I ask them if I left the Catholic Church which church or denomination would they recommend me to join, they don't answer.
It intrigues me as to why Protestants, particularly the evangelicals, don't want to speak about their denominations but focus their attention on the Catholic Church almost entirely.
There is only doctrine they all unanimously agree on - the Catholic Church they false believe to be false. But hey, I get protestants now who tell me they aren't protesting anything and assume the lineage of their theology can be traced all the way back to the Apostles.
Sola Scriptura is not a unanimous doctrine (Anglicans and Methodists). Sola Fide is not unanimous because there can be differences in how "faith/fide" is defined, and whether the Protestant utilises "works" as proof of an inner transformation or not.
Their hatred for the Catholic Church is the only thing that unites them.
Their hate for the Catholic Church is the only thing that unites them. 😮
If you left the Catholic Church it would take you a lifetime to look through all the thousands of Protestant denominations in order to pick one.😅
The only thing that unites them is their contempt of the Catholic faith.
@BereanPerspectiveApologetics it was the Catholic church that gave you the bible. Just a fyi to try and jar you from all the misconceptions you have of the Catholic church. God bless. Hope this helps you a bit. :)
To add to that, jesus didn't write any books of the bible, but members of the early church did. Jesus found a church, and the church wrote books.
@@perennem_equitem_57the church didn't write job, Esther, genesis.etc. they only compiled the books. Not difficult to do.
Also catholics didn't want commoners (aka you) to have access to bible. Thank reformers for helping you get that access
Catholic church didn't want commoners (aka YOU) to have bible access. Thank the reformers for helping you get that access
@@roses993 ill be honest, I'm somewhat happy the protestant reformation occurred and many of the 95 theses were valid criticisms, but I think complete separation from the founding church was a bit overzealous. And the catholic church still deserves its credit for compiling the bible, it had a large number of books and letters to go through, not exactly easy.
I watched the whole video and wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, as I was once where you are now. though everything you said that wasn't in the early Church is easily found maybe you just haven't seen them before: For instance Peter as Pope and the Eucharist before the 100s AD was even midway through by the disciples of the First Apostles. God may calling you to this discussion but as someone who has been down this road; He wants you to come Home to the Catholic Church. I hate Debates but I can suggest some books that helped me leave the Protestant church
The first and most important book to help you leave Protestantism and join the Catholic Church is the Bible itself.
Please provide 1 reference from any church father before 100AD that taught there was 1 bishop or pope over the Christian church.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsgo read 1 Clement bishop of Rome who healed a schism in Corinth. Way over Clement’s apostolic jurisdiction. If the bishop of Romes authority was only local then Clement and the christian’s in Rome before 100 AD were already power hungry and the Christians in the East were already in heresy. OR the bishop of Rome DID have this authority to be appealed to when local synods or patriarchs could not fix or heal a problem within the church. Which the the claim Rome makes. Which is the highest level of appeal any bishop can make eventually you get to the top which is Rome
@@javierfrias2423 that’s true but he wouldn’t accept that
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics I’d point to as an example: Clements First Epistle to Corinth dating to around 90-96AD. He writes on behalf of Rome; and remember Peter Himself taught this man
Catholics only believe that there are two places as well: Heaven or Hell
If you are going to speak out against Catholic beliefs, please at least know the actual teaching and not opinions/discussions on what something "might be".
Purgatory is a process of purification before we stand before God. There are MANY Bible verses that say God is a refining fire. Revelation says that nothing impure is in Heaven. Paul says that when we are judged, our "wrong" acts are burned away as if by fire.
Most of what you said, is just mistaken ideas of what is actually taught and I didn't even get through the whole video.
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Rom 5:9 DRC Christ died for us; much more therefore, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 DRC For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son; much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 DRC And not only so; but also we glory in God, through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received reconciliation.
Heb 10:14 KJV For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Luk 16:22 KJV And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 KJV And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 KJV And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
@@ravinderchahal2391 Every single verse has nothing to do with a purification before we stand before God. Even in your last example of the beggar. He doesn't go to Heaven, he is in Sheol (Abraham's bosom, which had different areas) and "Hell" isn't the "lake of fire" that is the punishment after the final judgment.
Do you believe that here on earth we are being sanctified (becoming more like Christ) and that is DIFFERENT than our initial justification?
Do you believe that here on earth, we will not be perfect and will still be tempted and many times still sin?
Do you believe that there is nothing impure in Heaven?
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Believe what you want. I just quoted scriptures for you.
Twist it as much as you want. It's on you.
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades WILL NOT PREVAIL against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19)
and.....
"15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 “Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”" MATTHEW 18:15-20
"21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”" JOHN 20:21-23
"11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love." EPHESIANS 4:11-16
Don't cherry pick a pretext of Scripture. Peter is not the authority, the authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc.
Peter was rebuffed by Paul over a certain matter. Would he be a protestant. Peter was a spokesmanfor the apostles. The apostles all became bold leaders of faith. I'm amazed at Thomas ministry still happening in India.
@@Daviddaze Peter was rebuked for being a hypocrite not because he was doctrinally wrong.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics "the authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc." Finally a Protestant who admits this to be true!
And how does the Bible tell us this authority passed on to the elders, pastors etc.?
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsthe authority is given to the early apostles, and leaders in the church who are elders, pastors, teachers, etc. ??? My friend how can this be possible if anyone interprets the Bible as they like? Who has the truth if there are disagreements?
According to the bible, the church is the pillar of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15). If the Bible is truth then one denomination is right and the other ones are wrong
The Church is the pillar of truth. Sola scriptura was never true.
Just saw this in my recommendations. I'm a truck driver/farmer and not an apologist but being a convert I enjoy the dialogue and spend a lot of time engaging in it with friends and family. Maybe a topic worth discussing is works-based salvation or salvation by grace in faith. That recent debate between Jimmy Akin and those two protestant guys went over those and it seemed really fruitful, not as much difference than most think.
Poor lost soul..learn the your salvation history..you will come home soon. Harden not your heart. Blessed mother Mary, pray for us.
Let's have discussion on sola fide:
Following the Reformers you believe:
1. Justification is once for all and is by faith alone (sola fide)
2. Through Justification you are counted/declared as righteous but remain unrighteous/sinner.
3. Through Justification an exchange took place between you and Christ, known as double imputation. You get Christ' righteousness as if that righteousness were yours while you remain unrighteous/sinner and Christ got all your sins (past, present and future) as if those sins were His while He remains sinless.
My objection on point 1:
The phrase "justified by faith" appears four times in New Testament (Rom. 3:28, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24). New Testament was written in Greek and the one in Rom. 3:28 is in Greek passive present tense while the rest are in Greek passive aorist tense . Both tenses do not indicate once for all justification. If Scripture teaches faith-alone justification, then the Holy Spirit would inspire Paul to write the phrase "justified by faith" in Greek passive perfect tense. Unlike that of English Greek perfect tense indicates the action described by the verb (to be justified) was completed in the past with continuing effect to the present .
My objection on point 2:
Scripture denies you can be righteous and sinner at the same time in Eze. 33:12-13: “the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins. Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die.”
My objection on point 3:
Scripture denies double imputation in what Eze. 18:20 says: “The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”
One verse always cited to support double imputation is 2 Cor. 5:21: “For our sake he [God] made him [Christ] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” However, the verse says we become the righteousness of God, while according to imputation we do not become righteous - we are counted as righteous based on righteousness of Christ, but we remain unrighteous. The verse also says Christ who knew no sin to be sin. In contrast imputation does not make Christ sin as the verse says.
To explain what 2 Cor. 5:21 means, in Hebrew the same one word (חַטָּאָת, khat-taw-aw’, Strong H2403) is used for both sin (Gen. 18:20, Exo. 34:9 etc.) and sin offering (Lev. 4:8, 16:3, 5 etc.). According to Leviticus 16 once a year the High Priest chose one of two goats as sin offering (or sin, חַטָּאָת) to atone the sins of all Israelites (Lev. 16:8-9). That goat was sacrificed, and its blood sprinkled on and before the mercy-seat (Exo. 25:16-20, Lev. 16:15) and on the horns of the altar (Lev. 16:18). The sins of all Israelites were imputed on the second goat, that was not sacrificed but released in the wilderness as scapegoat (Lev. 16:8, 21-22). In the New Covenant Christ is the High Priest (Heb. 4:14, 9:11) and He offered Himself as sin offering or sin (Heb. 9:12). While He died to atone our sins on the cross, our sins are not imputed on Him, just like the sins of all Israelites are not imputed on the first goat in Lev. 16:8-9. Therefore 2 Cor. 5:21 talks about the atonement of sinless Christ made on the cross where He became sin (sin offering). What he did enable us to become the righteousness of God, partakers of divine nature (2 Pe. 1:4). If the goat in the Old Testament was able to atone the sins of all Israelites without their sins imputed on it, certainly Christ can atone the sins of all men without their sins imputed on Him.
I look forward to receiving your response.
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@@DarkHorseCrusaderwhen Paul called himself the worst of all sinners, did he not partake? Was he not a child of God?
What do you want us to say? That we pride ourselves in our sins? That we speak highly and mightily of ourselves and look down on protestants? That we are sinless like you consider the idolized version of Mary to be?
Jesus Christ should be lifted up as Moses lifted up the head of the serpent for the people of Israel to be healed. Paul said I have nothing to boast about except Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I think we should all have that attitude instead of dwelling in pride as if we have earned salvation by our good works when it was a gift from God.
To demonstrate the existence and truth of the Christian doctrine of Sola Fide, a case will be presented using content and the adjacent context from the Book of James.
James: The literal last place anyone who denies the doctrine of Sola Fide would ever look if they bothered to read it fully and in its revealed context.
James 2:24 (This is the verse that is favored by Catholics to affirm their belief that faith and works are the critical elements to the attainment of salvation).
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Answer: What Catholics misunderstand about this verse is that it is not affirming that faith and works are mutual to the attainment of salvation but that righteousness is expressed through faith.
James elaborates upon this and affirms that the attainment of salvation is exclusively by faith and not by works; for works are the expression; the proof of ones faith.
In order to explain this point, James will make reference to father Abraham (and this is exactly why you should ALWAYS read the surrounding scripture of whatever biblical information one is appealing too).
James 2:21-23 (The verses that preceded James 2:24).
21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his [faith and his actions were working together], and his faith was made complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “[Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness],” and he was called God’s friend.
James is explaining that Abraham was not made righteous by his work but his faith which was affirmed because of his actions.
Abraham trusted God, and he demonstrated that trust through his actions.
And now, going even deeper:
Romans 4:2-5
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God.
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
The one who does works to attain justification does so to their own benefit and so what they would receive is not a gift but a wage; and so there negates the [gift] of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9).
In addition, scripture has made it clear what becomes of those that rely on their works and not exclusively upon faith and why that condemns:
Matthew 7:21-23.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
This is why works alone cannot save but also why the dependence on works with ones faith also cannot save but negates the gift of Grace.
Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
So what is it that God desires us to do?
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
Keep in mind that the one who DOES NOT WORK is still counted as righteous and is justified by God. God is being consistent with His revelation that salvation is based exclusively by faith by assuring the reader that even without works they are saved because, if there was an obligation to do works, the one who did not do works would be condemned, but the exact opposite is true instead.
Saved by faith, even WITHOUT works is affirmed and assured by God Himself.
Faith + works = saved.
Faith + no works = saved.
Works = not saved.
Relying on works with faith = not saved.
Therefore: Faith = saved.
And, added scripture to affirm that point:
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
To conclude:
Abraham was vindicated by his works, by Living faith; not by what he said or claimed but what he did which was his expression of his faith.
Living faith is active faith; it does not say and then not do but does exactly what it says it will do. Many people will say things of faith, but actions that do not follow that profession of faith is evidence of a dead faith, for if someone has living faith then their works, their profession of faith will vindicate them; prove the life of their faith.
Keep in mind that not everyone will profess their faith, nor can some do works owing to individual circumstances, but that does not mean they are without faith or that they have no faith ll and it especially does not mean they are condemned.
One proves the life of their faith through their works but God does not condemn the one who does not work; as He sees the life of ones faith, which may be as small as a mustard seed but even such a minute amount of faith is more than enough to justify that individual.
Additional Scriptures that affirm Sola Fide:
Galatians 5:1
1 So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
Galatians 3:22
22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Acts 13:39
39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Romans 3:28.
28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Romans 8:1-3
Life Through the Spirit
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
Galatians 3:11
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith."
Romans 1:17
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed-a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
John 3:15
15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:17
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
John 3:18
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 6:40
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 6:47
47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
Romans 10:9-10.
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and [believe in your heart] that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you [believe and are justified], and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
1 John 5:13.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Salvation does NOT require any contribution or dependence on works.
The doctrine of faith and works asserted by the Catholic church is affirmed false by Gods Revelation.
@@markmeyer4532 Coal mine of quotes right here. typical protestant retardation
@@markmeyer4532 If you want to have discussion you should read what I wrote and make response based on it. What you do is dispensing response that has nothing to do with what I wrote - you are acting like automated answering machine.
I would like to see you engage more with Catholic understandings of the development of doctrine -- as the Catechism states, "even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries" (par. 66). E.g., much of what you deem "unbiblical" in Catholicism, Catholics find in Scripture _implicitly_ , at a deeper rather than superficial level of the text (such as typology in the case of Marian doctrines), which took time to formulate in doctrinal language.
Can I make a statue of you and burn candles while I stand in front of your statue calling you most holy and asking for your intercessions and prayers? Or should I pray to God?
@@SeekTheCross Its not an either/or. Catholics only pray to God (as Protestants define it). Do you ask your friends/family to pray for you? If so, then you better stop if you don't think that others can pray for you.
@@SeekTheCross
Why do Protestants always propose a choice, an either/or. instead of Both. Can I not ask you to pray for me *AND* pray to God...both?
Where does scripture say if you pray to God, you cannot ask friends to pray for you.
or if you ask friends to pray for you, you cannot pray to God?
@@dave_ecclectic You are strawmanning me. I can ask my friends to pray for me, but when their bodies lay cold in the grave I can no longer ask them nothing. If I would ask them after they died I would be a diviner.
@@hirakisk1973 Others can pray for me, however they cannot pray TO me and I cannot pray TO them, especially when they have fallen asleep. All of us must pray to God alone. Once we pray to something or someone else, we are in error.
The Eucharist is Christianity. The Eucharist is Jesus. Without the Eucharist you can not be Christian. If you are against the Eucharist, you are an anti-Christ. The Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian faith.
Thank a Catholic for the Bible. We canonized it.
When I ask Protestants to show me where I can find the Church that Jesus founded, they don't answer. When I ask them what happened to the prayer of Jesus and Paul for unity in the Church, they have no answer.
I have an answer. The church that Jesus founded is alive! All the beautiful churches that preach the gospel and believe in the Trinity are the church that He founded!❤❤
@@roses993amen
You think it's a building news flash our bodies are the temples we are part of the body of Christ we are the church.
@@roses993 That answer doesn’t make sense when tens of thousands of Protestant denominations have vastly different interpretations, conflicting doctrines, and promote morals that go against the will of God. Believing in the Trinity is necessary but not the minimum. Truth is not relative. God’s truth is singular and the fullness of that truth can only be found in the church Jesus Christ established in 33AD - the 2,000 year old Catholic Church. We don’t simply believe in the Trinity. The Catholic Church dogmatized the Trinity in 325AD with the authority conferred on it by Jesus Christ.
@@roses993 Do all the "beautiful churches" preach and teach the same gospel? Do all these churches believe in the Trinity?
Amen
You should address the Catholic arguments for the teachings you disagree with. Go through a Scott Hahn video about the Eucharist or Marian devotion or the pope. The teachings are there. Early and often. I think a reaction video would be helpful for everyone
Let me see what my schedule is like in the next few weeks. I'm working on getting my channel up and started finally so this would be a good start I think. Just gotta get my schedule cleared first.
I'll pray for you today in front of Jesus in adoration that you see the real presence in every Catholic church and stop lieing about Catholic doctrine. If you truly don't understand you can't even start to debate. We DO NOT pray TO Mary! Ever ask your mom for help? Get over it please.
You don't even know where the bible came from.
The only reason u can read the Bible (if you even do at all), is because of reformers. Catholic church didn't want bible access for commoners. Or even interpretation of the Bible. HISTORY is not on the catholic churchs side😮
May God keep on strengthening you. Thanks for standing for the truth
The truth is that Luther removed 7 books from the protestant Bible. And one refers to purgatory.
And Jesus gave the keys to his kingdom to Peter, the first pope.
@@nosuchthing8 You're confused. Luther didn't remove any book from the Bible and none of the early church fathers taught purgatory, plus according to the church fathers the key was giving to all the disciples. Go and educate yourself on church history and stop regurgitating lies told to you.
No such thing.. your name is true at least
@@kristin0943
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Thanks for this opportunity! Roman Catholic here…I’d be happy to discuss any topics that you’d like. For starters I’d like to ask how does Protestantism teach or explain how Adam was a type of Jesus (Romans 5:14) and that Jesus is a New Adam ( 1Cor. 15:45)? And what is its significance ( as Paul mentions it twice). We Catholics typically look how the NT lies hidden in the OT and the OT is made manifest in the NT…to quote St. Augustine. Thanks for your time!
Can’t wait to see more on this.
Dont take this the wrong way, but you have a genuine misunderstanding of Catholicism.
Cant wait to respond to this, i appreciate the charity.🇻🇦✝️🇻🇦 challenge accepted.
Here are my questions for you (or every other Protestant):
1. How do you know that your interpretation of the salvific doctrines right? Specifically, how do you know that your strategy of interpretation is the only correct one or even the correct one for that passage? That we should only look at the literary context of a passage, and not topologies or metaphors or make other connections? Not aware where scripture makes any hermeneutical rules so I am curious of anyone's certainty on the interpretation of passages pertaining to doctrines like say the Eucharist.
2. How do you know that Philemon or Esther or Revelation or 2 Peters or Song of Solomon is Scripture.
There are close to a billion Protestants on the planet and I haven't come across a single Biblically cogent response to any of these questions. Not saying they don't exist - just that I haven't been fortunate to find them. Curious of your take on this at an in depth and intellectually rigorous level.
My main question would be is What are your hopes or end goals for these debates and discussions with Catholics?
I recommend talking to Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, and/or Matt Fradd.
Exposing and refuting the lies and heresies of Rome is not hate. What is hateful is to distort biblical truths and anathematize anyone who calls you out. What is disrespectful is to distort the person of Mary from the biblical narrative and turn her into a pagan goddess.
Agreed.
Amen. Because those truly seeking Christ will be misled that way.
@@truthdefenders- pagan goddess lol you don’t even know the words coming out of your own mouth. Hail Mary full of Grace the lord is with thee.
How can someone be so wrong and so full of himself at the same time like you?
@@boom-botz444 thats not true though, I have seen Catholics and Orthodox condemn Protestants and even meme's about unaliving Protestants from a Orthodox meme channel.
I come to your channel because of the hair kelly. lol
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I’d like anyone to show me from the scripture alone, as it is the sole, final, and ultimate source of infallibility to teach on matters of faith and morals, where the scriptures teach about a New Testament canon that consist of only 27 books and what those books are. I usually get non-biblical traditions, fallible history, an appeal to fallible councils, or some vague self defeating logical argument instead of the infallible scriptures.
Catholic here- address the Marian apparitions through history. Take your pick of any 3, I would suggest Fatima, Medjugorje, and Guadalupe as these are probably the most famous. God bless!
Satan also does fake signs and wonders. John evangelist nor anyone in the 1st/2nd century had mary "apparitions". Mary doctrines were invented 3 centuries after Christ
Read your bible. Zero mary apparitions and satan comes as angel of light too😮 (sorry, those apparitions were not mary!)
Thank you for standing for the truth, kelly!! Even big ego sam is afraid to debate you!😊 God bless!
lol Sam is most certainly not afraid to debate him, that’s funny.
@@bobizzle1605sam blocked kelly. And he never shows up to debate kelly after multiple invites
@@roses993 Because he debated Kelly and already destroyed him and Kelly just keeps bringing up ad hominem and strawman attacks lol. Even commenters who were Protestant have said that Sam and William Albrecht beat Kelly, just another Protestant apologist who bends and twists Catholic teachings spreading false witness with no ground to stand on, especially when comforted with what the Church Fathers clearly believed and were taught by the Apostles.
@@roses993 Sam is a guy who just recently embarrassed Daniel haqiqatjou, one of the most popular Muslim apologist. He’s not running away from anyone lol.
@@bobizzle1605 actions speak louder than words. And sam has asked kelly to show up. And when he does, he's blocked. Just because u are a big shot doesn't mean u can beat ever single person. Sam wins against Islam, no doubt. But in regards to Christianity, many heresies come out of his mouth
John 6 is the culmination of the Gospel. It is a covenant. The new covenant is the body and blood of Christ. Jesus did not say receive my body and blood spiritually. Otherwise the disciples would not have gone away coz it would be an easy teaching. However, Jesus meant that literary therefore it is a hard teaching and they went away
I would like you to defend your faith as we Catholics are always asked or forced to do.
Tell us why we should believe a church that came into being in the last forty years as opposed to the Church Jesus built 1,990 years ago.
Why should we believe you as opposed to those who have an unbroken line of _hands laid on them_ back to the Apostles with the Holy Spirit given to them. with literally -millions- _Trillions_ of man hours of contemplation of the Holy Book.
Why is your refusal to obey Jesus and not keep any of the Sacraments correct? While our following what is in the Bible and obeying Jesus is incorrect?
Where does the Bible say anyone can pick up a book and start not only a church but start teaching what the Bible means.
So, rather than have you attempt to give reasons not to be Catholic, how about explaining why anyone would want to be??? whatever it is you are? I don't even know what your denomination is.
Why your _flavor_ of your denomination, and not another? Why is yours right and all the others wrong?
Thats the vid I would like to see.
I’d like to see that also. So many Protestants attack Catholics like rabid dogs foaming at the mouth but run as soon as any historical facts or basic questions are posed to them.
Sam and William have been asking to dialogue - have you reached out?
😂 they will not with me, I’ve debated both already. But I’m been trying to get them to have a discussion with me. Crickets
The problem with arguing with other "denominations" is they each go by their own extrabiblical scripture. JWs have their NWT, Catholics have Apocrypha and church tradition which they claim as fact..., it's just a pain to get them on the same page.
A time is coming, and maybe has come already, where we shouldn't say "I belong to Paul" or "I belong to Apollos". Or this person worships on the mountain, while we worship in the temple. Jesus is coming soon - maybe we need to focus on the nations.
Keep up the good work brother!
Every trinitarian church, not just Catholics, prior to the 1500s used the 7 books of the Duterocanon as part of their Bibles. You're fine to disagree that they are God breathed, but can we be historically accurate?
And you go to the extra biblical source of whatever you think it's truth rather than the truth taught by Christ and the apostles passed down to the Church Christ established
@@alisterrebelo9013 Exactly. Even though Martin Luther moved them to an appendix in his Bible, the Deuterocanon were still in all Bibles until the 19th Century when Protestant book publishers decided to remove them to save on money.
We have historical evidence now that the Protestant Reformers (Luther, Calvin Zwingli etc) didn't have that the early Christians and Church used the Septuagint version of the Bible that included those 7 books. Protestants mistakenly thought that Rabbinical Judaism was the same as the Judaism in the Bible and copied them on a lot of things. Things which we know are not true now and that Rabbinical Judaism was created AFTER the destruction of the temple and spread of Christianity in response to those things and tried to differentiate itself. Including using different manuscript traditions that obscure that Jesus was the promised Messiah (the famous "virgin" vs. "young woman" debate from Isaiah for example).
Let's be historically truthful. The problem with other "denominations" is that they removed scripture (books) because it didn't agree with their opinions.
The Deuterocanon were a part of Christian tradition from the Apostles forward. Those first 7 books were all listed as "inspired scripture" along with the NT books. Protestants accept that same church council to support the NT, but somehow claim that they got it wrong for the OT, even though there was a much longer history of those books being used by Jews and Christians.
We have a problem with sola scriptura because it really means quis potest interpretari and leads to the illusion that all interpretations are equal
It just depends on how you have represented Catholic teaching. I don't know about your channel and haven't really watched any of your videos, but I have watched a lot of Protestant Christian channels from their perspective of Catholicism.
The best way to approach Catholics is to steelman the Catholic position using their teachings on the subject of discussion, and then re-approach the Catholic position with your bias or perspective.
If you have done any of these;
- Failed to steelman the Catholic position by inserting your own personal opinion of what Catholicism is...
- Failed to show that what you think is the Catholic Church is actually true by giving explicit Catholic doctrine...
- Committed to strawman arguments against the Catholic Church...
- Say things that contradict Catholic Church teaching...
... Then you have earned the ire of Catholics who you say that you have represented well and claim to respect.
If you have done any of these;
- Represented Catholic teaching by providing explicit and contextual evidence of Catholic teaching...
- Steelmaned Catholic teaching without inserting bias (during the steelman process, opinions are good to make afterward)...
- Express understanding and are showing that you indeed are sowing the seeds that bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit and not bearing fruits of false witness...
... Then you will gain the respect of Catholics.
For starters, you don't want to call Catholics "Roman Catholic" when addressing the Church as a whole, because the Roman Catholic Church is just the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, of which there are many rites of the Catholic Church. This already shows you haven't respected Catholic teaching enough to want to get even the little things correct.
So if your videos are in the same vain as this little error, your biggest errors in representing Catholic teaching will paint your criticisms in a bad light rather than in the spirit of understanding. That is to say, why trust you on your biggest criticisms if you get the little things wrong?
Feel free to reach out, I’d love to talk with you about any of these issues
I'm not catholic apologist or scholar, but I will give you the reason why in catholic we pray to Mary and saints. And to be precise we do not worship Mary. We give her the upmost respect for her as Mother Of God, because Jesus is God. And the way she accept the calling from the God to give birth to Jesus
in Luke 1:38 Then Mary said, “I am willing to be used of the Lord. Let it happen to me as you have said.” Then the angel went away from her.
This is one of the reason ,that we can respect her act of faith that she surrender 100% to God. Second, Mary conceive Jesus, which means make her holy. Because Jesus is God. There are more reason that I want to write, but it will be too long to write it. LoL
Now about saint. Why we pray to them. First you need to understand that praying is asking not just worship. In Hail Mary prayer, it does not contain to grant our prayer, only God can do that, instead we ask Mary to pray for us. Now in catholic we believe that Mary in heaven, and the apostles does too. So they are the one who have a close relationship with Jesus.
We can see back how the way saint life back then, because they lived a humble life and devoted their life for Jesus. Some got martyred. And when we pray to them miracles happened, its not only once but minimum it has to be two miracles. This is why we pray for them to pray for us, so God will grant our prayer. And once again it's not saints who grant the prayer, only God grant our prayers.
In James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
The prayer of righteous person is powerful, this is why we pray to Mary , Joseph, angels, and saints. In catholic or even protestant we always ask our family, friends, or even stranger to pray for us, Does that mean we worship them or the other way? It's not like that right? We asked for their help to pray for us so God grant our prayers.
Hopefully you can understand my explanation why we pray to them, and sorry for the bad english. English is not my first language, lol.
And btw even if you are protestant, catholic, orthodox. As long as you follow and put your faith in Jesus Christ, moreover you willing to do what Father in heaven in you. You guys are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
And I pray one day, we as Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant and other denominations can be united again as one church together, and following Jesus Christ together. Amen
God bless you, have a nice day.
Brother. Jesus gave authority to his apostles and said whatever they hold as law he will hold and whatever they loose he will loose in heaven. Isn't that giving them permission to create traditions and dogma for the church they were commanded to start? I apologize as I'm not too recall exact verse and sayings in my limited bible study as a common Catholic. But I'm sure you know which exact verse in referring too?
Matthew 16:19. And yes that is correct. However Protestants argue that this authority died with the Apostles and isn't passed down to the next generation, even though hands were laid and the Holy Spirit comes down on the elders (bishops).
@@alisterrebelo9013 thank you for citing the reference. I'm terrible at that part of the debate.
@@jtec99 No problem, I used to be terrible at recollecting the verse numbers, but we have to spend more time reading and re-reading the Bible. And then it becomes easier to recall.
Might as well go for the roots, do one on divine authority and whether Christ left built an authoritative Church or an authoritative book. At the end of the day no matter what topics you go over the matter of authority is at the heart of them.
Also to sweeten the deal ask for feedback on misrepresentations, find out where Catholics think you're not playing on the same field since that kills engagement. Ask them whether they really believe, or whether the Church really teaches things like works get us to heaven.
God bless you.
I think it would benefit everyone if you would stick to topics you actually know something about. You obviously do not understand the teachings, history or beliefs of the Catholic Church. So I would request that you leave it alone!
How do we get Unity that Jesus wanted?
Topics for the future. What about the doctrine of salvation as found in Romans and Galatians in the context of the book of Acts.
I acknowledge the rock that scripture is as a Catholic. You made claims that the Bible doesn’t teach certain doctrines. I believe it does. How does a Protestant resolve disagreements on what Scripture actually teaches? One of the things you mentioned was the perpetual virginity of Mary. You might disagree with Catholics on that, but many Protestants agree. So who is right? Who interpreted Scripture correctly? Does one need to be able to read Greek and Hebrew to correctly interpret Scripture? Protestants disagree on many things, even things that seem essential. So again the question for you to address is: how do we interpret Scripture and what do we do about disagreements?
Sola scriptura Christians. They place all of the authoritative teaching on something which derives from the magesterium. Ironic. The canon Protestants follow was discerned and determined at a Catholic council. The council of Rome.
I’d just like to point out you are conflating praying to saints and praying to God. Catholics do not pray to saints in the same way we pray to God. It’s a semantical understanding of the word pray. Catholics use the word pray meaning: to ask for. Just like we ask friends to pray for us. In regards to your comment on nowhere in the Bible it says the Eucharist and that we take John 6 out of context. I recommend to watch How to be Christian UA-cam channel he has a two part video series where he goes over that specific scripture. Possibly reach out to Farris (creator of that channel) he may be willing to debate you
Additionally, you say we take John 6 out of context. Can you explain what you mean by that?
I am in RCIA right now and I am really being turned off by the prayers to Mary. I am okay with asking someone to intercede for you, even if they are dead. But Catholic prayers to Mary sound identical to their worship prayers to God. IE:
“I give my whole self to you Mary. Have mercy on me a sinner. Holy Queen, Assistant redeemer, thou who aren’t more feared than God. Be kind and gracious to us sinners and send us strength to overcome all evil. We give everything we are to thee, Holy Mother.”
This was an amalgamation of real lines I’ve seen and heard from Catholic Prayers. How am I not supposed to take that as worship?
@@eronpowell6008 great response!
This is another semantics misunderstanding. In more archaic English, to worship simply means to ascribe worth to. Throughout the anglosphere (except America), mayors are often called "your worship", especially in official contexts. Do we think our town mayors are God? Certainly not! In the old Anglican rite of marriage, the man says "With My Body I Thee Worship" to his wife as he places the ring on her finger.
In modern context, worship in religious contexts has come to mean "consider to be God", so when we say "we don't worship Mary", we mean "we don't consider Mary to be God". But you will find a litany of old religious texts that use the word worship in the old way. The second problem is that for Protestants (of which I was once one) don't have the sacrifice of the mass or otherwise, and so their highest form of adoration to God is worship. We offer the sacrifice of the mass, the sacrifice of our prayers, of our joy and of our hardships. We don't offer anything to Mary or any other saint as a sacrifice. Do we offer rosaries as a sacrifice to Mary? Of course not. The Rosary was given to Mary by God to give to us, and we in turn offer it back up to God through Mary. Like anything that is offered up to God, it first came from God to then give back to him. But for Protestants, who don't have a sacrificial understanding, they see any form of praise as adoration due only to God. Hope this helps 😁
@@justenhug632 I guess it really does become about semantics. When Catholics devote their whole life and soul to Mary and pray for her redemption that appears like a sacrifice to her for me. Usually Catholics respond online by saying “it’s not technically.” But the words remain the same. What more could Catholics do to worship her short of accepting her as a fourth member of the Trinity? They use the exact same terms for her as they do for God and just quantity wise definitely pray much more to her than to God. I know technically all those prayers to Mary are ultimately to God but surely you can see why someone like me would be massively uncomfortable about that.
At what point does it become worship? It truly seems to me that Catholics are already there.
send Jay Dyer an invite for a debate i would love to see it👍
@@jackjustice2558 I’ll try
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics good deal I like the way you debate and dyer himself defends Orthodoxy very well I subbed hopefully you'll get the green light soon
@@jackjustice2558 appreciate your feedback. Debating Jay would be fun, he is a good debater, much better than Sammy :)
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics i dont think sammy has the character of a chritian smart man but lacks the fruit, but i agree...
God's word does not change until the 1500's when books were removed. (more accurately in the 1600's). I would love to see you talk to someone who knows the bible and tradition. I'd recommend Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Joe Heschmeyer and anyone else you can think of..
1. Please address the Eucharist but use legit sources outside the bible and inside the bible on what the christians believed. John 6 Jesus is fulfilling the passover feast. It doesn't make sense for him to say that you must eat my flesh then a few chapters later he comes to the last supper during passover and says that this bread is his body. He also says that he is the sacrifical lamb. They were not eating the passover lamb but instead bread and wine. It was always understood that you must sacrifice the lamb and then put blood over the doors. Jesus is the new Lamb and he gives his body for us to eat. Wait isn't cannibalism against Jewish law? yes it is and that is why it was such a crazy teaching that many people refuse to believe. They would be like the followers who left Jesus during John 6.
2. I will grant that the papacy was developed over time but even the scripture was developed over time. You brought up that they argued about sola scriptura and they did. Which scriptures though? We have early mass writings of them reading clement of Rome's writings. Some said that only the 4 gospels were good to teach. Some said that only the old testament was ok to teach. Others would include the sheperd of hermas and other writings. In the end we have to look at the proof of what they taught and what scriptures were taught. In the end they held a council to figure out what books were in the bible because there was mass confusion. 200 years later the Jewish councils met to figure out what books they accepted. Luckily we are Christians and do not have to follow the Jewish law so we have our full bible.
3. Please address marian concerns.Such as is it too far to Call Mary mother of God since Jesus is God? Was mary a virgin her whole life and would it be wrong for her to be a virgin? Was she sinless and without blemish in the same way the original ark of the covenant was without blemish? Who was the woman in revelation who gave birth to a child? If you say the Church or Judaism I would say that is a far stretch because they did not give birth to a child to rule the kingdoms.
4. Where does authority come from? Who had the authority to put together the inspired writings of God? Was it the earliest christians or are you able to change the scripture yourself? Was Martin Luther wrong for taking the 7 books out and putting them as secondary biblical writings (not fully removing them)
5. Can saints (those in heaven who are still alive because of Jesus' sacrifice) pray for us. Can they hear our prayers? Why or why not?
6. What do Catholics do right in your opinion. It's not always fun to hear "Well catholics do this and catholics do that." I want to hear what you think Catholics do correctly. If it's nothing then I would say you are ill informed on anything Catholic and would urge you to read more.
7. If catholics are wrong then what is the true church that we were given to guide us and be the bulwark of our faith? Please include what they believe.
8. Is once saved always saved real? Does it make sense at all for paul to write letters correcting people if they were already saved?
9. Purgatory. Where did Lazarus go after he died? Heaven or Hell? Where did the woman that Peter brought back to life go? Heaven or Hell? Does it make sense that Jesus would pull these people out of eternal bliss?
10. Does Baptism Save? What does Jesus mean by water and spirit? Does water mean a physical birth. The requirement being you must be born of water and spirit and not flesh and spirit. Does this mean that all babies are not saved because they were not born of a mother and not baptized by the spirit?
I'm sure there's more to be figured out but every time someone does this to a strong Catholic they generally get throttled. I hope you are ready for any of these men to take you up on this offer and are ready to defend your point of view.
Also cute cat.
Why don't you address the liturgy of the hours/divine office aka the official prayer of the church.
Iam not someone who can put in a closet, or sect iam a folower of Jezus who die fore my sin.
Mabey you can make a topic about the real forgivnes of God in the book/chapter of Galaten.
I believe that my salvation is not build on working bud believe in the salvation and mercy frome God.
I as a sinner try do my best to follow the live of Jezus.
Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:1-9, Colossians 2:13-16, 1 John 5:10-13, John 20:31, John 3:14-18, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 16:31, 1 Peter 1:3-5, amen it truly trusting in finished work of Jesus Christ once for all sacrifice upon the cross and resurrection from the dead, and trusting in Him as the Son of God, Lord and Saviour. Not about works, not about keeping sacraments of what Catholicism teaches, not about Marian dogmas, but about the grace of God through what Jesus Christ has done and all those who truly trust in Him are saved.
Ur saving souls from heresy
No, he’s stealing sheep from Christ’s Church!
@@johnflorio3576 Catholicism is new jack baal worship in my opinion. In any event, its definitely not biblical Christianity. Hopefully u can overcome ur brainwashing and actually listen to his points in the video. Please.
@@JAHtony1111yea sure it’s your opinion and not you favorite preacher ones
@@Wiemcc what?
Please contact Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin
He had a long discussion with Trent Horn
@@jacobhilderman where can I see that?
@ivanvasquez9432 look in my live streams not long ago
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics OK but what’s a quick answer
@@ivanvasquez9432 good to examine a person channel see what they have done who they have talked to. Link ua-cam.com/users/live8PqpBxsJJFY?si=GdEbnqYriWMnQseA
Nothing to apologize for, as what's shared from cath sources, made up by them, not you👍🏽
What sources? He made several errors in this short video on Catholic doctrine and dogma.
@@micahhaertner2102 Go through Vaticans and Trent, their catechisms, though AI defends their garbage (same as islame 🤔). And in honesty, compare them to what the word says. Kelly shared plenty on the latter. So don't stick with just short videos, but check his list. Screwtube often doesn't let me share links and channels for some reason, probably taking truth as hate(d) speech again
@TheCounselofTrent Trent Horn is a Catholic apologizst who has spoken with people in the past and is open to speaking with people. Maybe reach out to him.
And go an read the church fathers.
02:30 where was that book in the first, second, third and fourth centuries?
I am not going to touch on every error you made in your video, but I will address one that even catholics get wrong.
At 3:05 you say the Eucharist is not "literal." Brother, show me where the catholic church uses the word "literal" in the Council of Trent Session XIII on the Eucharist.
Dude watch ua-cam.com/users/livec6p0CmnTZRc?si=ri_uDdRB8_7RFUr2 the sources are there and accurate
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Bro, I'm not watching a 4 hour video of some random guys. Just give me the paragraph in the 13th session of the Council of Trent where you find the word "literal."
Take the eucharist out of context? Damn... Unbelievable, I'm sorry
@VoiceOfReason_
Can you name one heretic in history that admitted to being a heretic and didnt use scripture to prove his views?
Your Church was established in the year 1600 at the earliest; the Catholic Church was established by Christ Himself. You’re not that guy
Dear Roman Catholics and not byzantine Catholics?
Who told you that anyway
According to your fallible interpretation.
What you are trying to say is your beliefs depend on the fact that Catholics are wrong. Your entire belief system is dependent on that. Catholics don't care what you think. Sola Scriptura is a self refuting premise. No where does the bible say scripture alone. The bible wasn't defined until late 300s. The bible was defined out of the traditions of the Apostles.
Show me one Apostle, patristic Father or any theologian prior to 400 AD that believed that the Eucharist was not the real presence of Jesus. There is no one. Zero. Nada. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. You don't have to believe that. Do you think the martyrs died for a symbol? Really?
The fruit of sola scripturae is division, plain and simple.
Feel free to reach out, I’d love to talk with you about any of these issues
Join his open mic nights. Love when he debates catholics and muslims😊
@@roses993 sure I’d be willing to do that. But I’d be more interested in a private conversation. It can be more open and less defensive if neither person feels the stress of the crowd