In answer to your question about Any Free Gracers.. Are you kidding me, I still don't know what that means. Doesn't compute with me. Free Grace? Nothing in this life experience is free, all comes with a cost.These word salads and excuses for continued abhorrent behaviour is indicative of delusional thinking. PS If I try to post what I want to post, it won't go through, so I'll leave it at this edit.
Being free grace seems to have bloomed into it's own denomination with it's own tenets. Speak your faith and your in, no other changes. No need for the words of Jesus as a christian. Obedience, praise, worship, repentance, witness, etc. Other religions need works for salvation, not Christians. True Christians have works out of gratefulness by knowing and following the words of Jesus, and not for salvation. Free gracers need the holy Spirit in their lives to be born again. Let the holy Spirit work in all areas of your life.
Aleister Crowly the witch had a message do what thou wilt. Or do whatever you want but they threw Jesus into the mix making it easier to live your same old life of sin and still get salvation as a plus. People hate giving up their life of sin. it almost feels like death and it is. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Take care
I’m glad you did this video, it’s really good. I followed him for awhile and agree it’s not of us but the one problem I found was they just stay put after they believed. If you do anything to live Holy it’s considered working for salvation. I want to grow like a weed in Christ, not gain a free pass from hell and continue in the same lifestyle that condemned me in the first place.
I've never heard so much rubbish other than from TV Evangelists that totally put me off ever wanting to call myself a Christian. The internet has given rise to so much charlantry, divisive terms, beliefs and distortion. It's an ugly place for any young person trying to fit into society and sort out trash theologies.
There is a difference between inheriting the kingdom and entering the kingdom. We enter the kingdom through faith in Christ alone. However inheritance comes by faith + good works. 1 Corinthians 6:9 [9]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 7:14-17 [14]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [15]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [16]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [17]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans 3:28 [28]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 4:5 [5]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Understand the gospel correctly, if a believer walks uprightly and his works are a light to others, he receieves rewards in heaven, if a believer is carnal and walks in the flesh , he loses his reward but the salvation is assured. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 [13]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
A person who believe in Christ is born unto the Father by the Holy Spirit. If the believers continue in sin the Father does what the father does to his son he punishes him. 1 Corinthians 11:29-32 [29]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. [30]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [31]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. [32]But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
If salvation is plus works how did king Saul get to paradise after committing suicide??? This only proves that salvation is through faith without works. 1 Samuel 28:19 [19]Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. Samuel ( an upright believer) states that Saul ( a sinful believer) and Jonathan ( an upright believer) will be together where he was, and that definitely was not hell fire.
Your works based salvation is heresy. Matthew 7:21-23 [21]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. According to the father,all are workers of iniquity and thus need to receive the complete the complete work of Christ. John 6:28-29,39-40 [28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? [29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. [39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Once you receive Jesus through faith He will never loose you and neither the believer nor anything else can cause Jesus to loose his sheep. YOU'RE THE RED FLAG HERETIC SENDING MILLIONS TO HELL THROUGH THE BROAD GATE, ALL OTHER RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN WORKS BASED SALVATION, AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM.
why dont you just debate bob wilkin on this issue? Im free grace, HOWEVER I believe you must have faith in christ ALONE to be saved, stop having faith and you lose your salvation, THATS the only area where I disagree with bob wilkin. HOWEVER, what you and other lordship salvationist ( works salvation) is " if your faith is real you will reach a certain level of obedience to christ that will show you are REALLY saved", However NO ONE can show me what % of obedience to christ or works I must have to be truely saved. EXAMPLES: I was raised to believe to be saved you must 1) attend church every sunday, 2) pay a thithe to the church, 3) dont do any work on sunday. EXAMPLE 2: Ive listened to many leonard ravinhill sermons and according to him if you are a pastor and you are not on your kness and crying out to God for revival ALL Night you are NOT a true man of God, in another sermon he said if you watched sporting events it proved you were not saved becouse watching sports meant you were worldly and not putting Jesus first in your life. EVERY lordship salvationists has a different number of things you must have checked in order to be a true christian. EXAMPLE: I guarentee you that if we had 100 pastors examin our lives, thoughts, and words a large number would say neither you nor I was truely saved!. and many would say we are saved. . bottom line, I KNOW Im saved becouse I believe/truat in christ and his shed blood ALONE to save me, Im NOT trusting in my level of obedience to christ to reach a certain level in order to base my salvation on. we are saved by faith IN Christ NOT faithfullness TO Christ. ( although its Gods will and my desire to be 100% faithfull TO Christ as well).
Once saved always saved is biblical 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,4-5 [1]It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. [2]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. [4]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [5]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
@@HolyBereanOrthodoxChristian 1 Corinthians 3:14-17 [14]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [16]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Ephesians 2:8-9 [8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9]Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 4:30 [30]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. If you claim that a believer could loose his salvation after sinning, why does the Holy Spirit destroy his flesh instead of just leaving and departing from him altogether. If a believer sins, God allows destruction from Satan to come upon the believers flesh, the soul and the spirit are however SEALED by the HOLY GHOST till the day of redemption. REPENT OF YOUR HERESY.
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Great intro, mentioning Job and his tribulations, Keep on Keeping on. Will relisten as usual.
In answer to your question about Any Free Gracers..
Are you kidding me, I still don't know what that means. Doesn't compute with me. Free Grace? Nothing in this life experience is free, all comes with a cost.These word salads and excuses for continued abhorrent behaviour is indicative of delusional thinking. PS If I try to post what I want to post, it won't go through, so I'll leave it at this edit.
Being free grace seems to have bloomed into it's own denomination with it's own tenets. Speak your faith and your in, no other changes. No need for the words of Jesus as a christian. Obedience, praise, worship, repentance, witness, etc. Other religions need works for salvation, not Christians. True Christians have works out of gratefulness by knowing and following the words of Jesus, and not for salvation. Free gracers need the holy Spirit in their lives to be born again. Let the holy Spirit work in all areas of your life.
Aleister Crowly the witch had a message do what thou wilt. Or do whatever you want but they threw Jesus into the mix making it easier to live your same old life of sin and still get salvation as a plus. People hate giving up their life of sin. it almost feels like death and it is. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Take care
Agree 👍
I’m glad you did this video, it’s really good. I followed him for awhile and agree it’s not of us but the one problem I found was they just stay put after they believed. If you do anything to live Holy it’s considered working for salvation. I want to grow like a weed in Christ, not gain a free pass from hell and continue in the same lifestyle that condemned me in the first place.
So who agrees with Bob Wilkin? Any free gracers?
I've never heard so much rubbish other than from TV Evangelists that totally put me off ever wanting to call myself a Christian. The internet has given rise to so much charlantry, divisive terms, beliefs and distortion. It's an ugly place for any young person trying to fit into society and sort out trash theologies.
There is a difference between inheriting the kingdom and entering the kingdom. We enter the kingdom through faith in Christ alone. However inheritance comes by faith + good works.
1 Corinthians 6:9
[9]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Call him to a debate so that we can hear from both perspectives, not a biased point of view
amen!, its easy to condemn free grace when an expert on free grace is not there to counteract the lordship salvationists.
Romans 7:14-17
[14]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 3:28
[28]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:5
[5]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Understand the gospel correctly, if a believer walks uprightly and his works are a light to others, he receieves rewards in heaven, if a believer is carnal and walks in the flesh , he loses his reward but the salvation is assured.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15
[13]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
A person who believe in Christ is born unto the Father by the Holy Spirit. If the believers continue in sin the Father does what the father does to his son he punishes him.
1 Corinthians 11:29-32
[29]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
[30]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[31]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
[32]But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
If salvation is plus works how did king Saul get to paradise after committing suicide??? This only proves that salvation is through faith without works.
1 Samuel 28:19
[19]Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
Samuel ( an upright believer) states that Saul ( a sinful believer) and Jonathan ( an upright believer) will be together where he was, and that definitely was not hell fire.
Your works based salvation is heresy.
Matthew 7:21-23
[21]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
According to the father,all are workers of iniquity and thus need to receive the complete the complete work of Christ.
John 6:28-29,39-40
[28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Once you receive Jesus through faith He will never loose you and neither the believer nor anything else can cause Jesus to loose his sheep.
YOU'RE THE RED FLAG HERETIC SENDING MILLIONS TO HELL THROUGH THE BROAD GATE, ALL OTHER RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN WORKS BASED SALVATION, AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM.
Bob is not listening. We may have to go to his channel.
why dont you just debate bob wilkin on this issue? Im free grace, HOWEVER I believe you must have faith in christ ALONE to be saved, stop having faith and you lose your salvation, THATS the only area where I disagree with bob wilkin. HOWEVER, what you and other lordship salvationist ( works salvation) is " if your faith is real you will reach a certain level of obedience to christ that will show you are REALLY saved", However NO ONE can show me what % of obedience to christ or works I must have to be truely saved. EXAMPLES: I was raised to believe to be saved you must 1) attend church every sunday, 2) pay a thithe to the church, 3) dont do any work on sunday. EXAMPLE 2: Ive listened to many leonard ravinhill sermons and according to him if you are a pastor and you are not on your kness and crying out to God for revival ALL Night you are NOT a true man of God, in another sermon he said if you watched sporting events it proved you were not saved becouse watching sports meant you were worldly and not putting Jesus first in your life. EVERY lordship salvationists has a different number of things you must have checked in order to be a true christian. EXAMPLE: I guarentee you that if we had 100 pastors examin our lives, thoughts, and words a large number would say neither you nor I was truely saved!. and many would say we are saved. . bottom line, I KNOW Im saved becouse I believe/truat in christ and his shed blood ALONE to save me, Im NOT trusting in my level of obedience to christ to reach a certain level in order to base my salvation on. we are saved by faith IN Christ NOT faithfullness TO Christ. ( although its Gods will and my desire to be 100% faithfull TO Christ as well).
Once saved always saved is biblical
1 Corinthians 5:1-2,4-5
[1]It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[2]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[4]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[5]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
May be saved, no guarantees mate
@@HolyBereanOrthodoxChristian
1 Corinthians 3:14-17
[14]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
[16]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[17]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 4:30
[30]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
If you claim that a believer could loose his salvation after sinning, why does the Holy Spirit destroy his flesh instead of just leaving and departing from him altogether. If a believer sins, God allows destruction from Satan to come upon the believers flesh, the soul and the spirit are however SEALED by the HOLY GHOST till the day of redemption. REPENT OF YOUR HERESY.
@@Billyxtz Go back to Heil Billy Goat. Is left for you on the day of judgement.