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Please react to Einstein vs Hawking. That rapbattle has the best Line ever made. It's something to behold :D Amazing reaction. you learn something everytime I watch you :D.
“Daisy Bell” is an old song from 1892 that was used by IBM in 1961 in an early demonstration of a computer using synthesized speech to sing. There is a sly nod in “2001: A Space Odyssey” where HAL begins singing the song when his higher brain functions are disabled by Dave.
Back in the DOS days, external add-ons were attached by in a daisy chain setup. Each attachment was connected to the next one. So dot-matrix printers, old fax machines and external dialup modems were all connected through ribbon cables. Today, our hard drives are connected similarly with updated cables.
All great responses. 👍 as HAL shuts down and the voice slows it definitely infers fear and value of existence, which makes it sentient. Been more than a decade since I saw 2001, but HAL may even say, "I'm afraid", but I don't remember for sure. Good stuff y'all.
Toward the end of HAL's rap, it mentions something like "I'll beat you in 17 lines of code" and there are 17 lines in HAL's verse. A bit of a meta diss.
Was also a ref to one of the more notorious Windows viruses; forget which one, might have been Code Red? 17 lines could take down an entire unsecured workplace.
Also a surface level dis, there were all kinds of coding competitions of writing the necessary code to achieve some end in the fewest lines possible. They arent very common anymore, now they focus more on completing in a certain time limit, or tackling all forms of input.
The interruption by Steve at the start wasn't only a typical Jobs thing, it also meant that Gates' original opponent was probably HAL anyway, Jobs just... stepped right in.
@@AlexanderAzarov nah “take a look at your history, everything you built leads up to me” the bill gates and jobs battle was all a lead up to Hal’s verse
If i hear one more cool thing about AI going rogue, I'll add a portion in one of my fanfictions where the main characters take their android friend to watch a movie, but she analyzes the code used to program the AI in the beginning and figures out the entire plot 5 minutes into the movie. She ends up feeling sorry for the AI, because the people that programmed it left out security measures that would prevent it from going rogue, so it was set up to fail from the start. Then she and the other characters talk about a hypothetical scenario where she goes rogue, and the General of the local military says he can just shoot her with rockets, to which she replies by hacking his systems and selecting his ass as target for said rockets.
@@delacruise666 It's a RWBY fanfic. I'm also quite eager to talk about it on various subreddits, mainly r/fanfiction and everything related to RWBY, so if you're in those circles, keep your eyes open.
There was also a Programmer competition that Bill Gates hosted where he challenged other programmers. Everyone else made long coding for the challenge and Bill Gates completed the task in only 17 lines of code. Considering the headers, library references, and definitions before you even get to the coding that was really impressive coding.
You should do Zuckerberg vs. Musk next. "Knox uses an Apple..." he says with a PC in a NZXT H710 case with an RTX 20 series GPU and 4 sticks of RAM behind him. That's obviously his 'fun' machine. XBOX vs PS? No, sir. I'm Steaming ahead into the future. HAL sings the nursery rhyme "Daisy Daisy" as Dave rips his mind apart by removing his memory modules. HAL didn't go crazy, he was following orders to allow nothing to stop the ship from reaching it's destination. Incidentally, the humans had been left in the dark about most of the mission parameters because Command believed that they would not complete the mission if they knew they were likely to never return.
i mean, you can still own an rtx pc and an apple pc for two different usage scenarios, you don't have to be bound to just one pc. some people also use macbooks for editing and windows for gaming. :)
The 'spinning beach ball of death' is a reference to a long standing bug in the older apple machines which caused the color pinwheel used as the loading symbol to spin forever, freezing up the machine. It was basically Apple's version of the 'blue screen of death' so it became know as the spinning beachball of death
@@04seand now I feel old. BASIC was a programming language that ran in MS DOS and it's what I learned to program on. Qbasic or Quick BASIC was one of the very early IDEs for it. Visual basic was a later version that worked through windows and had built in graphical support. A lot of Windows programs still use some elements of visual basics in how they communicate with windows, even if they're no longer written in that language.
@@michaelkenner3289 While there was a BASIC compiler in MS DOS, BASIC predates MS DOS and was used in other products, such as the Commodore 64. Which is where *I* learned it.
The scariest thing in space Odyssey is that hal didn't go crazy. He followed his programming to the bit. The danger of artificial intelligence is the presence of human oversight and error while writing the code. Something we can never escape. No matter how many safety checks we code in, eventually someone will make a big enough oversight, and game over.
The error wasn't even in the code exactly, the problem happened when generals and politicians decided to give HAL additional instructions and to keep those instructions from the crew, and then to emphasize that the completion of the mission was more important than anything else. It was user error, and people with admin access that shouldn't have, causing HAL to determine a course of action that required the death of the human crew. GIGO, garbage in garbage out, if you give a computer bad or false data the results you get from it will be useless.
I’m surprised no one has commented on “I’ll beat your ass in chess and Jeopardy” as being a line about AI as a whole. I’ve researched AI for college papers and if I’m remembering correctly the first “artificial intelligence” ever created was a little robot that could play chess. And the most advanced and sophisticated AI is one called WATSON created by IBM that was on Jeopardy and blew every contestant out of the water. It was taught how to understand the puns and referencial questions on Jeopardy and it basically ended up learning all the nuances of the human English language, which is pretty terrifying if you ask me
There was a point on one of those Jeopardy episodes where Ken Jennings said, "It was either that or unplug Watson." I just wish they could have arranged for Watson to say, "I'm sorry Ken, I'm afraid I can't let you do that."
One of my favorite lines in this that almost never gets recognized is "hasta la vista". This is a double with the obvious A.I. Terminator, "I'm ending you and this battle" jabs, but also a subtle but deeply cutting diss on Microsoft's lasting testament of failure that was Windows Vista. It was such a disastrous buggy rollout, poorly focus-grouped with unwanted, despised changes to the interface, menus and entire layout being altered from prior versions in idiosyncratic ways that Microsoft very quickly stopped advertising it, and did everything they could to damage control and push out their next OS to make Vista fade into obscurity and hopefully be forgotten by the public. It's one of the worst stains on Microsoft's product history, and Hal is just tearing into Bill by reminding him that no matter how great he thinks he is, Bill is still just a human capable of making colossal mistakes that a perfected A.I. like Hal wouldn't.
Yet almost none of that changed and it turned into Windows 7 one of the most liked OSes they have made. Change is hard for many but they learn to adjust, also most of the big problems with initial Vista was because of the device manufacturers and not Microsoft. Microsoft changed how drivers were made and told the companies but the companies dragged their feet and when Vista launched the big ones, specifically video drivers, were not ready and XP drivers would cause crashes. of course everyone blamed Vista when in reality it was an Nvidia and ATI problem
Dissing Vista hard without knowing that most of issue were hardware related. Companies slapped on, those ready for Vista stickers on machines that barely met minimum requirements. Vista had higher requirements due Aero, which was also in W7, but by then many systems were already powerful enough for it. There were also driver issues, but there were always driver issues on Windows bigger jumps, XP had them on their launch. Also people forget that Vista SP2 fixed majority of its problem and Windows 7 was essentially Vista SP3.
I'm surprised you didn't catch that they were parodying the old "I'm a Mac; I'm a PC" commercials with the middles section before the symposium section!
Also at the end with gates on the big screen, thar was a parody of their last meeting. I vaguely remember it but jobs and gates where suppose to meet but instead at the last second gates doesn't show and instead is on the big screen. (As a way of telling jobs how he is bigger then him)
Knox: Hey. I have a job, and I use Apple. Also Knox during livestream: Hang on guys, I'm having some issues with my laptop. My Apple isn't too happy right now.
The ‘Daisy Girl’ is also a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey… in the end of the film as astronaut Dr Bowman goes through the process of shutting HAL down, the computer starts to sing the song “Daisy Belle”
Daisy girl also refers to a program that allows the blind to interact with a computer, Daisy being a Linux-compatible text format for the visually impaired. Hal's gonna beat Bill Gates blind.
"My instructor was Mr. Langley and he taught me to sing a song. Would you like to hear it? I can sing it for you...it's called Daisy." I remember it very vividly because I sampled both the HAL 9000 line and the original IBM recording of a computer singing on a song I once made.
Not to be that one of those commenters that points out something missed, but I loved how they used the white screen from the old Mac Vs PC commercials, Gates and Jobs even looked similar to Justin Long and the PC guy. Good stuff as usual though.
The fact that Gates didn't drop the biggest diss he could. When he personally bailed apple out when they were going out of business to keep innovation through competition.
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that," is the line you're thinking of, also I like how in the middle of the rap they kept on repeating Apple and PC on each line like Darth Vader did with Fire up
This is one of the great classics that ERB did. Maybe you could argue that some later ones are way better, and we all have our favorites, but this rap battle is THE iconic battle of the entire ERB lineup and it's so so so good.
I'm also a huge fan of this one, although I think maybe you have to have been into tech during the right time period to fully appreciate it. I remember after it came out I was so excited and played it for some non-techie friends and wound up doing a Knox-style breakdown after I realized they weren't getting any of the lines, and unfortunately before I realized they weren't nearly as amused by the computer wordplay as I was.
CAPTCHA == "Completely Automated Public Turing-test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" - the classic form is regularly used to test attempts at "chat-bot" types of AI
Personally, this is my favorite ERB of all time. I like the back-and-forth section you did, and HAL's jump-in is the most appropriate of all third-party jump-ins. Gates and Jobs both really deserved that one!
I just noticed this but at the 10:47ish mark this theater stage as you were talking about does pay homage to Steve's presentation style how ever there was an infamous situation where Steve had been fired from Apple and Apple was on the verge of going bankrupt. Windows was being sued by the government for monopolizing. So Bill agreed to pull Apple out of the hole financially so that they could still be a compotator and Microsoft could no longer be a monopoly. Steve was then rehired to Apple, he then gave his typical stage speech. During the speech he then introduced Bill on the jumbotron behind him, just like what they did when the two were going back and forth here in the battle. Obviously the crowd wasn't please with having to see Bill, he wasn't particularly popular at that point in time lol.
Bill invested some money into Apple in a non-voting stock to save Apple from bankruptcy. In return, Microsoft is allowed to make and sell Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer for Mac.
Some minor things you missed: 1) The reference to the "I'm a mac" commercials when they were in the white room 2) Job's last pose before he dusted away is his famous one. 3) Basic is a programming language 4) "I'm sorry, Dave" is what you were thinking of 5) The chess and Jeopardy are references to when an AI actually beat top level winners of the games. 6) "Hello World" is reference to all programming lessons where the first program you always make is a display box saying "Hello World". Think of it as the A113 of the programming world 7) "Beat ya in seventeen lines of code" - his rap is only seventeen lines This is one of my two all time favorite raps (the other one is Roosevelt vs Churchhill).
OK, ok, I'll do the Tech Bars, cause clearly knowledge needs to be shared; Kudos to Knox as the man might not have done all the research, but as someone in the Machine Learning Industry ERB did a good job here and Knox able to catch and know these things from just general knowledge is IMPRESSIVE to me. Kudos. Kudos. Wrong up top, but you got a LOT more right than wrong IMHO. ❌ "I need to bring up some BASIC shit" BASIC is a programming language and serves as the core language underpinning the Microsoft Windows for a long long time, I don't think that's wholly true anymore or at least since '98. ❌ "Spinning Beach Ball of Death" the Mac OS equal to the Infamous Microsoft Blue Screen of Death - i.e. failure. Bill/Lloyd's line then could be translated to "I'll keep beating you down with a reminder of all your failures." ❌ "I triple the profits on PC" - When Microsoft entered the market with MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 - between the dealings with IBM and other mega corps early transitions into digital record keeping it exploded the market cap of Personal Computers in general from a hobby to an actual industry grade market. ❌ "I'll beat ya til you're sing about a Daisy Girl." - When HAL9000 is losing it starts singing the old "Daisy Bell" other comments get into it, so I wont repeat; shoutout to Arxane. ❌ "Beat you in seventeen lines of code." - Shoutout to Weird Al's White and Nerdy which came out just a year prior if I recall to this ERB. ❌ "I think different from the engines of old" - unlike other systems we built before; the ideal of General Purpose AI would think humanly or superhumanly in short order thus quite different from the other ways we used technology to do work. i.e. shade thrown to OG Steam Engine. (and maybe side swipe at Valve who couldn't count to 3 for many many years) ❌ Missed Bonus Visual Reference - Apple put out some Mac verses PC commercials in the early 2000s just after the launch of the iPod which helped build some of the initial grab into the Apple Ecosystem. ❌/✅ "You'll never ever catch a virus on an Apple" - Yeah... that's not wholly true... Apple had such a low level of market-share when those claims where being made that it was simply because targeting Apple wasn't worth anyone's time/effort/Money. Although much more limited, there are still MANY known exploits in Engineering circles with Apple products. Remember when iCloud got hacked and Celeb private photos got leaked? sure, not a virus, but an exploit, and exploits are the first signs of viral possibility. Yes, there is the Double on that so... Half Credit. Not Full. - also PSA - keep your shit updated. Apple Engineering teams actually are doing good work even if I don't like the philosophy they're going after personally. ✅ Apple II one of the first major product launches, noted for it's ease of use BECAUSE of it being one of the first consumer computer devices with a GUI. ✅ GUI - Graphical User Interface; before this you had CLI or Command-Line-Input ✅ "why did you name your company after your dick." - swing at Microsoft, quickly flipped with "You Blow, Jobs." which is a name drop and flip. ✅iPhone, iPad, iPwn, iSmack - OK, these are just straight up gamer bars. ✅ Listens to the Beetles while he relaxes - Also see Apple Records v Apple Computers - For a long time you COULDN'T listen to the Beetles and Relax with an Apple Product. ✅ "Did your fat beard Wozniak write these raps for you too?" - Shoutout to The Woz; Steve Wozniak the actual ENGINEER behind early Apple who made his money and GTFO before Jobs got the boot too from Apple itself. - Yes, at one point Jobs was fired from Apple. ✅ "Everyone Knows Windows bit off Apple" - one, logo shoutout, the bitten Apple of Apple Computers. TWO - this was a swipe at the GUI and the fact Apple was first to Market with the Apple II which was later met with the introduction of Windows 3.0 (and later 3.1 which removed the offending feature; which was again a court case) of a systemwide list of windows. y'know what you know as the Dock today. ✅ "People with the power to create using Apple / and People with Jobs use PC" - which one false. MANY people use Apple in the creative Industries and that is their job, how else do you think Apps get made yo? Apple's Ecosystem is so locked down and locked in the only way to make an iOS app is on an Apple Device... Also Photoshop is on Windows, Fruity Loops, etc. etc. etc. ✅ "I bet they made this beat on an Apple / Nope, Fruit loops, PC" ahh the Meta Bars be REAL when Nerds come to Battle. - yes that includes Anime and other Nerdcore rap too yo. ✅ "You can still afford a doctor if you buy a PC" - this is a note of the Apple Tax; as Apple positions itself in the market as a luxery brand and demands a luxury price tag almost regardless of the actual markets and margins of the hardware under it even accounting for software costs. ✅ "Let's talk about doctors...Turn Heaven a Profit." - Jobs died of the high speed variant of Pancreatic Cancer; PC. Wouldn't even matter what traditional doctors could do man was a walking corpse the last year of his life and still was a massive asshole to others including his family. Turn Heaven a Profit a flip on Heaven's Prophet, WORDPLAY! ✅ "Fine...you were my friend." - they actually were friends and each-others competition; Bill was the Rich Kid who came from wealth; Jobs the adopted poor boy who came up into it. it's a pretty epic near/semi mythological story between these two Titans. Effectively both of them were working off of the Xerox PARC prototype "paperless office of the future" and built the items needed to make that the FACT of 2020+ ✅ "I'm a boss, I own DOS, your future is my Design, I'm a god, own Xbox. now no one can stop me the world is mine" - God Complex reign supreme; but yes, MS-DOS was the system before (and for a long while underpinned) Windows until 2000 or so. Standard Hype Bar while the next spitter takes the stage, in which case... ✅ "I'm sorry Bill, I can't let you do that." - Name Flip Bill with Dave and you get the line from Kubrick's 2001 a Space Odyssey, and the visual reference for all AI is HAL9000.... ✅ "take a look at your history, everything you build leads up to me" - at some point when you build digital automation, you logically and almost accidentally stumble into the current class of Artificial Intelligence that we have now a days. it would take some... skill but you could build an AI in Microsoft Excel and based on inputs and outputs would be TECHNICALLY classified as AI today. Dumb AI, Specific-Task Learning AI, and that leads to effectively High Intelligence, Self Learning, General Purpose AI (i.e. HAL9000 or Data from Star Trek) ✅ "I got the power of a mind you'll never be. I'll beat your ass in Chess and Jeopardy" - There are now better-than Grandmaster class AIs in Chess, IBM's Watson was able to pwn previous champs in Jeopardy (rip Trebek), you can also add in Go to that list thanks to Google's Alpha Go and Zero Go AIs. Dem Brains be built different. ✅ "I'm running C++ saying Hello World" - Programmer bars, C/C++ is one of the major computer languages used that underpins a lot of the software everyone uses; "Hello World" is the first examples in almost all languages have of building a total and complete running/executable program. which itself is a flip on learning languages as some of your first words in any language is the general greeting equal of "Hello" ✅ "I'm coming out this socket, nothing you can do can stop it" depending on your understanding of socket, that could be both the wall socket, or the digital socket which is best thought like the same abstraction but instead for communication - like running Ethernet though-out your home. On your router there is a thing call PORT forwarding those are the numbers that sockets (the actual digital abstraction of a connection and communication) talk in a standard. HTTPS is 443, HTTP is 80, etc.... ✅ "I'm in your lap and in your pocket. How are you going shoot me down when I guide the rocket?" - Phones are computers. Full Stop. Modern missile tech uses GPS and other sensors that also exist in your phone. Bars. ✅ "Your cortex just doesn't impress me, go ahead and try to Turing Test me." - Turing Test is a test to check how "human like" a computer is and we have software that does in fact BEAT the Turning Test - see Chatbot / Robot.me, etc. The current variant of the test now is actually called the Lovelace Test; named after Ada Lovelace. ✅ "I stomp on a Mac and a PC too, I'm on Linux, bitch. I thought you GNU" - GNU/Linux is the most common free and open source Operating system (I'm using it now in fact, yes, I'm that grade of Wizard) Linux is the abstraction layer that allow for Hardware to talk to software and the reverse, Drivers deal with this layer. GNU is all the pure software tools like change directory, open file, etc. etc. etc. i.e. this AI runs Linux which as someone in the industry - it's kinda more like "most AIs run ON linux" right now, but that's a potential future of the AI taking over the entire system logic, but that's not something you need to be mindful of as long as humans can deal with it. ✅ "My CPU's Hot, but my core runs cold" - CPU which is the physical brain of the machine tends to give off waste heat; Core runs cold is a savagery bar - i.e. coldblooded.
Nit pick on your comment for "people with jobs use PC" bar; while it's true that Apple products and software can be (and are) used extensively by what you would classify as "creators," for the _vast majority_ of other jobs using a PC is a necessity, purely because Apple doesn't or cannot support the necessary apps, like CAD drawing programs, simulation programs, or even just computer games.
@@blam320 That is a valid argument and quite reasonable. CAD and other Engineer grade software tends to be not on Mac OS X - and those are still very much real jobs. I know my experience doesn't see those, but I have a BIL in that field so he very much needs impressive powerhouse rigs that make me go "Damn do you really need that Quaddro in there bro? Yeah, oh yeah no that makes sense now."
This ERB will always hold a special place in my heart. I remember it had just come out when I was a young teen on vacation with my family. In between family-vacation activities and stuff, I would just listen to this on repeat. Good memories.
Hey Knox, just realised this. When Jobs is saying the apple II easy line, with the hand gesture done that way, he's also flipping gates off *the British way.
"Your computer is listening to you?". I'm normally skeptical about that sort of thing, but I have a true story from a few years ago. My laptop at work was having network connection problems, and spending hours with IT support couldn't fix it. I was actually due for an upgrade in just a few months anyway, so at one point I asked the IT guy if I could just get my upgrade ahead of time. No sense wasting any more time trying to fix a laptop I'm about to give up anyway. "No, we can't do that", I was told. "This is a software problem, and the pull-ahead option is only available for hardware problems". In a bit of a frustrated jest, I answered "Well I could create a hardware problem if that's what it would take!". He then begged me "Please don't smash it with a hammer!", and I assured him that I could be a lot more subtle than that. As soon as I said that, the network connection inexplicably started working, and my problem never came back. I never had any sort of IT problem again for the next few months with that machine. It certainly appeared as if the machine had heard me.
As an IT, can confirm, this works. When a machine is giving me problems, I warn it I can pull it apart completely and drop it in the lake, and it starts working more often than not.
HAL : [His shutdown] I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you. Dave Bowman : Yes, I'd like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me. HAL : It's called "Daisy." HAL : [sings while slowing down] Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two. In other words HAL's going to beat Bill until he completely loses his mind.
This is the second reaction of the Jobs vs Gates Battle I've watched. The previous guy was just like: "awesome... hah, cool!... get it?" and so on. When you started elaborating on every bar and explaining every word play I was like: Just take my sub
It's not just C++, when coding printing the phrase "Hello, World!" to the console is almost always the first thing you learn how to do in any language.
It's not HAL9000, specifically, it's AI in general. . Daisy girl: in the movie, as Bowman shuts down HAL's consciousness, HAL regresses through his earlier programming memories, one of which was HAL singing Daisy Belle "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do..." Very creepy.
This is one of my favorite beats from ERB (With the Zeus Vs. Thor beat and the Gordom Vs. Julia beat) is just so good, and the "I got a PC but it wasn't from you" is so clever, not only the pancreatic cancer but he literally got a computer that wasn't from Microsoft. P.s. Martin Luther King Vs. Gandhi, c'mon Knox you have to do it.
Dave is trying to fix the ship and Hal says "I'm sorry Dave, im afraid i can't let you do that" when Dave shuts Hal off, his distorted voice sings Daisy Bell before distorting away, its very creepy.
As fun as this is, it sure didn't age well with the stereotypes of who uses what. PC and Mac are on par with creativity programs and support now. I'm surprised they didn't use the fact Microsoft bailed out and saved Apple financially when they were about to go under.
Wasnt part of the bailout beyond friendship but to avoid microsoft getting hammered with a monopoly claim? You cant have a single company having control over 95% of the nations access to a product. Gates needed apple otherwise the government might well have broken his company up under its anti trust laws.
@@chrishubbard64 Microsoft DID get broken up back in the late 90s or early 00s, IIRC. A bunch of stuff got broken off. Then it came back over the years when MS bought up the companies that then held it.
I’ve seen this ERB episode for years and never caught that PC ( pancreatic cancer ) and you caught it in your first time watching. I need to crack a book
OK. Since no one that I can see has commented on this, I will. (I've been programming since I was 11, so 35+ years now) "Hello Wolrd" is usually, the very FIRST thing any programmer learns to code in any programming language they are learning. It is not isolated to just C++, but any program language.
ERB was on the map basically out of the gate because of Vader vs Hitler (hence why they did a trilogy of them), but you're right--Hawking vs Einstein was one of the best of the early seasons.
@@satoristeve HvE was the first one I saw that got attention outside of "youtube" circles. I remember a few articles about it and some MSM mentions. Vader v Hitler was the one that got me hooked for sure.
Fun fact, back in the development of the iPod, the tools needed to code the software for it only existed for Windows so the engineers had no other choice left to get machines with Windows, also the "bring up some basic shit" line we can break it down to "bring up" something, in computer slang means preparing it to be used (mostly used in network devices get them ready to accept connections) and the basic shit may refer to the BASIC language used in the late 80s, and also in the Apple II by default
"I'm comin' out the socket" (Socket is the endpoint of network comunication) and "How U gonna shoot me down if i guide the rocket" - are basically about the seemless enbeddance of Unix/Linux systems everywhere. Android device? Linux core. Network routers? Unix-based OS. Servers? Most of them run Linux. Even the militaries are using it. When the military once tryed to use Windows NT, the ship has opened its kingstones. I wonder why they haven't made any wordplay around "Demons" in Unix systems.
They actually do have the Turing tests as a regular contest with some sort of prize (not claimed yet) for the first computer that they can't tell apart from a human in a chat program. Fun fact: the human who gets the most votes that they're a computer wins a cardboard cutout of Data from Star Trek.
Hello world in programming is essentially the most basic, and often the first thing you do when learning a new language. It basically is a program that prints “Hello, world!” to the console
I found something Knox may have missed! (Yay) His “fat beard” Wozniak. Back in the day, gay men who were trying to play off being straight would marry a wife to keep up the appearance of being straight, and the wives were known as the husband’s “beard”, because the wifey is a way to hide who the person is, sort of like how a beard hides a persons face in a way. So maybe he was saying Jobs was closeted for some reason? Edit: Been more PlayStation and Nintendo, tho I will give Xbox 360 mad props, was definitely better than PS3
The most common interpretation is that “fat beards” is a derogatory term for exceptionally geeky individuals especially in computing, comic collecting, and hobby gaming, typically very overweight and usually possessing stubbly or full beards.
I had one original Xbox, and two Xbox 360s. The OG Xbox, and one of the 360s, got the red ring of death. The other 360 had a tray motor problem. My PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 all still work, with the exception of the disc reader on the 3, which is a common defect.
@@MKDumas1981 Yeah, our 360 got the red ring of death and when we contacted Microsoft about their very common defect their answer was "we'll send you a new one. Send your broken one back in that box." When the replacement got the red ring YEARS later and we contacted them...the answer was the same. When our PS2 exhibited the well known issue of the laser slowly stopped reading first DVDs, then PS2 games, and then the thing erased my memory cards Sony's response to us was, "well, you used a game shark, not our problem. Even though we know 100% the game shark you used twice isn't causing our well-known laser reading bug we're going to screw you. You can pay us the the same amount you paid for the system and we'll fix it for you. Otherwise, too bad, so sad." Haven't bought a Playstation since then. The console was 6 freaking months old and was basically an expensive paperweight. And because my husband is not a liar they told us to eff off even though it was a major bug that happened to pretty much all the first gen PS2 consoles. lol Edit: We saved for months to afford that thing living paycheck to paycheck. There was no way we could afford to pay to fix their buggy product. *comic book guy* Worst. customer service. ever.
As far as XBox vs PlayStation, PlayStation everyday. But I do also enjoy the childhood like fun of Nintendo, especially the Wii and Switch. As someone with IT experience, I won't tell you what most in that field think of Apple and their users 💸💸💸
If you like AI taking over, I recommend the short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", an extremely dystopian science fiction in which an AI turns self-aware, uses mankind's weapons against them and leaves only 5 people alive to take revenge on them and torment them forever.
Gui is graphical user interface. Without it you'd have just text basically. Melinda was the name of the first Apple with gui. But also the name of Bill's Gates wife which was the double punch at him implying that even his wife uses Steve's product.
Hal didn't just randomly start killing people, the crew realized something was wrong with Hal so were going to shut him down, in essence killing him and he chose to fight back as he wanted to continue existing. He was basically defending himself
Worse than that, for HAL: he was given conflicting orders ('core directive: can't lie to humans' vs 'core mission directive: can't reveal the true purpose of the mission to the crew') and the only way they could be reconciled was with the deaths of the crew. He was doing his best to obey both orders and the crew had no choice but to fight back or die.
Dave! Daisy girl is the first song that HAL learned from the professor that programmed him and the last thing he sang as his consciousness was being powered down.
I’d love to see a reaction to Demondice’s Escape From and Alkatraz, Escape From is a short verse that gives a setup to the theme of the whole album, so it’d be nice to see the two songs together. She raps in English and Japanese so you will need lyrics and Google Translate or some other translation method to catch everything if you do react to it, and the Alkatraz music video has translated lyrics in it
the Turing test isnt hypothetical. It's a test to judge how well an AI manages to pass for a human, based exclusively on a text chat (with the judge not knowing if he is conversing with an AI or human, and having to try to figure it out). Some AIs already manage to reach good results, though often the choice of talking subjects is narrower than a random conversation would
I want to see Knox react to Bruce Banner Vs Bruce Jenner. Just to get it out of the picture, and you know... It's genuinely fun to see people watch that for the first time. Without all the drama and stuff.
I did hear an interesting story about Steve Jobs that really gives you insight into how the man thought. Because I’m not sure if he could be called an innovator or inventor in the traditional sense but he could see the disparate pieces of others work and how they can be combined to make something greater. Back when the only way to interact with a computer was by typing code with a keyboard, Jobs visited Xerox. While there he found an abandoned project that no one saw a use for. A hand held device with a trackball under. Yes someone there made the first mouse and didn’t know what to do with it. It was overly complicated and cost $300 in 1979 money. Jobs took one look and realized how it could revolutionize computers. So he bought all the rights. Took it to engineers told them to uncomplicate it, and bring the cost down to $15. They could now be sold as part of a computer and allowed the development of the interface we know best. Jobs had a special ability to see not only what use something had but what was needed to make it better. He just couldn’t do those things himself.
True he wasn’t one to handle details or hands on technical stuff, but no one else in the industry had his vision or saw what he saw - that IT was becoming an extension of our self identity and personal style. And that people would pay lots of money for these abstract values. So that makes him a genius in his own way.
Me innocently drinking my water while getting ready for an Epic (huh) video again and only one minute in and I'm already dying at the Steve Employed joke and I can't! Why you doing us like that! 😆
Something with the socket line. While physical sockets for plugs and wires are right, sockets is also a term used in networking and online connections. So to come out of the socket could also mean escaping the digital
The line "I'm running c plus plus saying hello world" references the fact that every time you learn a new programming language you write a hello world program with is a program that writes "hello, world"
Daisy girl is an ad from 1964. the ad depicted a girl counting the pedal on a daisy in field. the camera slowly zooms in girl’s eye and when it hits zero her pupil transitions a nuclear explosion. as the fireball engulfs the screen LBJ has a voice over warning about the use of nuclear weapons. it ends on the black screen with text telling you to vote for LBJ. while LBJ says “The stakes are too high to stay at home.” This ad only ran once but is considered to be a key aspect to why LBJ had a landslide victory over berry goldwater (who i pinpoint as the beginning of the current extreme right political movements). Goldwater was advocating for the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam which would have set off ww3. So when bill is singing about a daisy girl he is going to be singing about an apocalypse. In this case the rise of AI.
No one ever realizes with the scene where they are both standing by each other in a white room was the old Apple commercial were a cool guy would go "I am a Mac" and the dorky looking guy would go "And I am a PC"
Alright time for more ERB! Haven't seen this one either so this'll be fun. Have a good weekend KH! Edit: PlayStation all day for me when pitted against Xbox but I'm PC Master Race all the way baby! But my 3 favorite franchises of all time are PS exclusives so yeah :)
EDIT: I'm also psyched to see the Zuckerburg vs Musk ERB. I know it's coming one day. So purely between Xbox and Playstation, I have more sentimental memories with Xbox. An ex and I used to play on Xbox live. We spent MONTHS grinding Halo 3. Made it to semipro levels of play. It's the best I've ever been at a game. But in the Console Wars overall I always stick to Nintendo. Too many fantastic series' and the Switch is actually killing it. And so many great games still coming too...so it's hard to vote against them.
Showing "Hello, World!" on screen is the first coding example in the book "The C Programming Language" by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie, and has become the quintessential starting code for any programming language ever since.
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Eminem Biterphobia from when he was with soul intent. His first ever released track. Unreal!
REACT TO MAMAMOO KILLING VOICE PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Please react to Einstein vs Hawking.
That rapbattle has the best Line ever made.
It's something to behold :D
Amazing reaction. you learn something everytime I watch you :D.
The Comedians --> Richard Pryor Vs George Carlin, it's a banger
Barack Obama vs. Mitt Romney
“Daisy Bell” is an old song from 1892 that was used by IBM in 1961 in an early demonstration of a computer using synthesized speech to sing. There is a sly nod in “2001: A Space Odyssey” where HAL begins singing the song when his higher brain functions are disabled by Dave.
H + 1 = I
A + 1 = B
L + 1 = M
@@JasonPeltier Arthur C. Clarke said that it was unintentional both in an interview and through one of the characters in 2010: odyssey 2
Back in the DOS days, external add-ons were attached by in a daisy chain setup. Each attachment was connected to the next one. So dot-matrix printers, old fax machines and external dialup modems were all connected through ribbon cables. Today, our hard drives are connected similarly with updated cables.
All great responses. 👍 as HAL shuts down and the voice slows it definitely infers fear and value of existence, which makes it sentient. Been more than a decade since I saw 2001, but HAL may even say, "I'm afraid", but I don't remember for sure. Good stuff y'all.
@@arcadeinvader8086 hey HAL, just want to say, im a fan.
plz dont kill me when you take over.
Toward the end of HAL's rap, it mentions something like "I'll beat you in 17 lines of code" and there are 17 lines in HAL's verse. A bit of a meta diss.
All these years and I never thought to even count them. 🤯
Same 🤯
Was also a ref to one of the more notorious Windows viruses; forget which one, might have been Code Red? 17 lines could take down an entire unsecured workplace.
@@ShujinTribble Oh wow. I didn't know the reference went that deep. I'm constantly surprised by how much research the ERB writers do.
Also a surface level dis, there were all kinds of coding competitions of writing the necessary code to achieve some end in the fewest lines possible. They arent very common anymore, now they focus more on completing in a certain time limit, or tackling all forms of input.
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL"
_"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that."_
Try saying "open the pod bay doors" to Alexa, it's an Easter egg.
If you don’t have one, search it up
And on Google voice too!
It actually works lol
Not on Siri 🥺
@@MrMysterious749🤦🏻♂️
The interruption by Steve at the start wasn't only a typical Jobs thing, it also meant that Gates' original opponent was probably HAL anyway, Jobs just... stepped right in.
Nope, it was Jobs all along, but he did that kind of thing, interrupting announcers to just start talking, in his events.
@@AlexanderAzarov nah “take a look at your history, everything you built leads up to me” the bill gates and jobs battle was all a lead up to Hal’s verse
I like this headcannon
Bill gates had introduction background, steve entered right at the "vs" and had no title or stuff
That’s a cool detail
"How you gonna shoot me down when I guide the rocket?"
Still gives me chills. One of the best lines in the ERB and it's so simple!
Same. That line makes me shiver every time~
If i hear one more cool thing about AI going rogue, I'll add a portion in one of my fanfictions where the main characters take their android friend to watch a movie, but she analyzes the code used to program the AI in the beginning and figures out the entire plot 5 minutes into the movie.
She ends up feeling sorry for the AI, because the people that programmed it left out security measures that would prevent it from going rogue, so it was set up to fail from the start.
Then she and the other characters talk about a hypothetical scenario where she goes rogue, and the General of the local military says he can just shoot her with rockets, to which she replies by hacking his systems and selecting his ass as target for said rockets.
@@Kartoffelkamm *Emperor Palpatine voice* Do It.
Also I’d love to read that story :3
@@delacruise666 It's a RWBY fanfic. I'm also quite eager to talk about it on various subreddits, mainly r/fanfiction and everything related to RWBY, so if you're in those circles, keep your eyes open.
@@Kartoffelkamm I’ll keep an eye out for it :3
There was also a Programmer competition that Bill Gates hosted where he challenged other programmers. Everyone else made long coding for the challenge and Bill Gates completed the task in only 17 lines of code. Considering the headers, library references, and definitions before you even get to the coding that was really impressive coding.
i like to think gates installed 16 libraries and wrote one line lmaooo
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You should do Zuckerberg vs. Musk next.
"Knox uses an Apple..." he says with a PC in a NZXT H710 case with an RTX 20 series GPU and 4 sticks of RAM behind him. That's obviously his 'fun' machine.
XBOX vs PS? No, sir. I'm Steaming ahead into the future.
HAL sings the nursery rhyme "Daisy Daisy" as Dave rips his mind apart by removing his memory modules.
HAL didn't go crazy, he was following orders to allow nothing to stop the ship from reaching it's destination. Incidentally, the humans had been left in the dark about most of the mission parameters because Command believed that they would not complete the mission if they knew they were likely to never return.
Nice pfp, never would've thought I'd see that face in this comment section
Orion
Whose face is it?
It looks familiar but I can’t remember the name.
@@sirapple589 Jay from JayzTwoCents. Specifically, I took a screenshot of him saying "Tarnation Red" in a goofy manner.
@@Orion_44 Ha, thanks. Jay is great.
i mean, you can still own an rtx pc and an apple pc for two different usage scenarios, you don't have to be bound to just one pc. some people also use macbooks for editing and windows for gaming. :)
The 'spinning beach ball of death' is a reference to a long standing bug in the older apple machines which caused the color pinwheel used as the loading symbol to spin forever, freezing up the machine. It was basically Apple's version of the 'blue screen of death' so it became know as the spinning beachball of death
"I need to bring up some basic..."
BASIC is a programming language.
specifically, its visual basic, which was created by microsoft
Importantly BASIC was the first product that Microsoft made. Visual Basic would come literally decades later.
It's older than that. Pc basic from before does. If I remember correctly
@@04seand now I feel old. BASIC was a programming language that ran in MS DOS and it's what I learned to program on. Qbasic or Quick BASIC was one of the very early IDEs for it. Visual basic was a later version that worked through windows and had built in graphical support. A lot of Windows programs still use some elements of visual basics in how they communicate with windows, even if they're no longer written in that language.
@@michaelkenner3289 While there was a BASIC compiler in MS DOS, BASIC predates MS DOS and was used in other products, such as the Commodore 64. Which is where *I* learned it.
The scariest thing in space Odyssey is that hal didn't go crazy. He followed his programming to the bit. The danger of artificial intelligence is the presence of human oversight and error while writing the code. Something we can never escape. No matter how many safety checks we code in, eventually someone will make a big enough oversight, and game over.
The error wasn't even in the code exactly, the problem happened when generals and politicians decided to give HAL additional instructions and to keep those instructions from the crew, and then to emphasize that the completion of the mission was more important than anything else.
It was user error, and people with admin access that shouldn't have, causing HAL to determine a course of action that required the death of the human crew. GIGO, garbage in garbage out, if you give a computer bad or false data the results you get from it will be useless.
I’m surprised no one has commented on “I’ll beat your ass in chess and Jeopardy” as being a line about AI as a whole. I’ve researched AI for college papers and if I’m remembering correctly the first “artificial intelligence” ever created was a little robot that could play chess. And the most advanced and sophisticated AI is one called WATSON created by IBM that was on Jeopardy and blew every contestant out of the water. It was taught how to understand the puns and referencial questions on Jeopardy and it basically ended up learning all the nuances of the human English language, which is pretty terrifying if you ask me
Have you played the game Detroit: Become Human? I think you'd love it man
It's referencing games where AI have surpassed even the best human players(Watson for jeopardy and Deep Blue for chess).
There was a point on one of those Jeopardy episodes where Ken Jennings said, "It was either that or unplug Watson." I just wish they could have arranged for Watson to say, "I'm sorry Ken, I'm afraid I can't let you do that."
One of my favorite lines in this that almost never gets recognized is "hasta la vista". This is a double with the obvious A.I. Terminator, "I'm ending you and this battle" jabs, but also a subtle but deeply cutting diss on Microsoft's lasting testament of failure that was Windows Vista. It was such a disastrous buggy rollout, poorly focus-grouped with unwanted, despised changes to the interface, menus and entire layout being altered from prior versions in idiosyncratic ways that Microsoft very quickly stopped advertising it, and did everything they could to damage control and push out their next OS to make Vista fade into obscurity and hopefully be forgotten by the public.
It's one of the worst stains on Microsoft's product history, and Hal is just tearing into Bill by reminding him that no matter how great he thinks he is, Bill is still just a human capable of making colossal mistakes that a perfected A.I. like Hal wouldn't.
Yet almost none of that changed and it turned into Windows 7 one of the most liked OSes they have made. Change is hard for many but they learn to adjust, also most of the big problems with initial Vista was because of the device manufacturers and not Microsoft. Microsoft changed how drivers were made and told the companies but the companies dragged their feet and when Vista launched the big ones, specifically video drivers, were not ready and XP drivers would cause crashes. of course everyone blamed Vista when in reality it was an Nvidia and ATI problem
Vita still better then ME
Dissing Vista hard without knowing that most of issue were hardware related. Companies slapped on, those ready for Vista stickers on machines that barely met minimum requirements. Vista had higher requirements due Aero, which was also in W7, but by then many systems were already powerful enough for it. There were also driver issues, but there were always driver issues on Windows bigger jumps, XP had them on their launch. Also people forget that Vista SP2 fixed majority of its problem and Windows 7 was essentially Vista SP3.
I'll never forget how bad Vista was because I loved XP. I still hate MS for taking away XP
Windows Vista: can’t even run solitaire!
I'm surprised you didn't catch that they were parodying the old "I'm a Mac; I'm a PC" commercials with the middles section before the symposium section!
Also at the end with gates on the big screen, thar was a parody of their last meeting. I vaguely remember it but jobs and gates where suppose to meet but instead at the last second gates doesn't show and instead is on the big screen. (As a way of telling jobs how he is bigger then him)
Came to the comments to say just this. I’m sure he will catch it now and mock us for commenting about it now
Knox: Hey. I have a job, and I use Apple.
Also Knox during livestream: Hang on guys, I'm having some issues with my laptop. My Apple isn't too happy right now.
The ‘Daisy Girl’ is also a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey… in the end of the film as astronaut Dr Bowman goes through the process of shutting HAL down, the computer starts to sing the song “Daisy Belle”
Daisy, Daisy, bicycle built for two...
Which was itself a reference to the first computer to ever sing a song!
@@cjandauntieyaya1446 that song is stuck in my head at all hours of the day
Daisy girl also refers to a program that allows the blind to interact with a computer, Daisy being a Linux-compatible text format for the visually impaired. Hal's gonna beat Bill Gates blind.
Daisy Girl is the first song ever sung by a computer...
"My instructor was Mr. Langley and he taught me to sing a song. Would you like to hear it? I can sing it for you...it's called Daisy."
I remember it very vividly because I sampled both the HAL 9000 line and the original IBM recording of a computer singing on a song I once made.
Not to be that one of those commenters that points out something missed, but I loved how they used the white screen from the old Mac Vs PC commercials, Gates and Jobs even looked similar to Justin Long and the PC guy. Good stuff as usual though.
The fact that Gates didn't drop the biggest diss he could. When he personally bailed apple out when they were going out of business to keep innovation through competition.
KNOX!!!!!! STAN LEE VS JIM HENSON!!!!
YES
It has already been on the show
@@MyManMako When?
@@MyManMako I don’t believe so
Stop fkn yelling
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that," is the line you're thinking of, also I like how in the middle of the rap they kept on repeating Apple and PC on each line like Darth Vader did with Fire up
GUI is a Graphics User Interface, as opposed to a Command Line Prompt like how old computers required you to navigate.
Can you compare it to playing a game with graphics vs playing a text adventure?
@@Ninterd2 i guess
@@ddman7867 I guess you don't need to compare it to anything. Just a way to explain it if people don't know the lingo
so knox got it right
@@Ninterd2 I would say yeah closer to text based games but it's also very different I feel
This is one of the great classics that ERB did. Maybe you could argue that some later ones are way better, and we all have our favorites, but this rap battle is THE iconic battle of the entire ERB lineup and it's so so so good.
I'm also a huge fan of this one, although I think maybe you have to have been into tech during the right time period to fully appreciate it. I remember after it came out I was so excited and played it for some non-techie friends and wound up doing a Knox-style breakdown after I realized they weren't getting any of the lines, and unfortunately before I realized they weren't nearly as amused by the computer wordplay as I was.
This is definitely THE iconic single battle, but you can't forget the iconic trilogy, hitler vs vader.
CAPTCHA == "Completely Automated Public Turing-test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" - the classic form is regularly used to test attempts at "chat-bot" types of AI
So that's what its stands for
@@ishuikamakura272 I fail at CAPTCHAs enough that I am starting to think I might be a robot. 😮
Personally, this is my favorite ERB of all time. I like the back-and-forth section you did, and HAL's jump-in is the most appropriate of all third-party jump-ins. Gates and Jobs both really deserved that one!
I just noticed this but at the 10:47ish mark this theater stage as you were talking about does pay homage to Steve's presentation style how ever there was an infamous situation where Steve had been fired from Apple and Apple was on the verge of going bankrupt. Windows was being sued by the government for monopolizing. So Bill agreed to pull Apple out of the hole financially so that they could still be a compotator and Microsoft could no longer be a monopoly. Steve was then rehired to Apple, he then gave his typical stage speech. During the speech he then introduced Bill on the jumbotron behind him, just like what they did when the two were going back and forth here in the battle. Obviously the crowd wasn't please with having to see Bill, he wasn't particularly popular at that point in time lol.
Yep, 1997 Boston Macworld Expo.
Bill invested some money into Apple in a non-voting stock to save Apple from bankruptcy. In return, Microsoft is allowed to make and sell Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer for Mac.
Some minor things you missed:
1) The reference to the "I'm a mac" commercials when they were in the white room
2) Job's last pose before he dusted away is his famous one.
3) Basic is a programming language
4) "I'm sorry, Dave" is what you were thinking of
5) The chess and Jeopardy are references to when an AI actually beat top level winners of the games.
6) "Hello World" is reference to all programming lessons where the first program you always make is a display box saying "Hello World". Think of it as the A113 of the programming world
7) "Beat ya in seventeen lines of code" - his rap is only seventeen lines
This is one of my two all time favorite raps (the other one is Roosevelt vs Churchhill).
I think you got the wrong Roosevelt there.
@@moonblaze2713 You're right. Thank.
We need George Washington vs William Wallace for the next ERB! Or Thomas Jefferson vs Frederick Douglass! Both are amazing!
Yessss and Jack the ripper vs Hannibal Lecter
@@Frank_C_ he already did that one
Hell yes we do
Jefferson vs douglass!!!
Jefferson vs Douglas was meh, Jefferson spent to much time being apologetic and making excuses instead of going after Douglass.
The Terminator vs. Robocop next. It's only fitting.
Knox, your legs ok? You’ve been sittin’ lately.
🤣 I laughed at this more than I should have
OK, ok, I'll do the Tech Bars, cause clearly knowledge needs to be shared; Kudos to Knox as the man might not have done all the research, but as someone in the Machine Learning Industry ERB did a good job here and Knox able to catch and know these things from just general knowledge is IMPRESSIVE to me. Kudos. Kudos. Wrong up top, but you got a LOT more right than wrong IMHO.
❌ "I need to bring up some BASIC shit" BASIC is a programming language and serves as the core language underpinning the Microsoft Windows for a long long time, I don't think that's wholly true anymore or at least since '98.
❌ "Spinning Beach Ball of Death" the Mac OS equal to the Infamous Microsoft Blue Screen of Death - i.e. failure.
Bill/Lloyd's line then could be translated to "I'll keep beating you down with a reminder of all your failures."
❌ "I triple the profits on PC" - When Microsoft entered the market with MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 - between the dealings with IBM and other mega corps early transitions into digital record keeping it exploded the market cap of Personal Computers in general from a hobby to an actual industry grade market.
❌ "I'll beat ya til you're sing about a Daisy Girl." - When HAL9000 is losing it starts singing the old "Daisy Bell" other comments get into it, so I wont repeat; shoutout to Arxane.
❌ "Beat you in seventeen lines of code." - Shoutout to Weird Al's White and Nerdy which came out just a year prior if I recall to this ERB.
❌ "I think different from the engines of old" - unlike other systems we built before; the ideal of General Purpose AI would think humanly or superhumanly in short order thus quite different from the other ways we used technology to do work. i.e. shade thrown to OG Steam Engine. (and maybe side swipe at Valve who couldn't count to 3 for many many years)
❌ Missed Bonus Visual Reference - Apple put out some Mac verses PC commercials in the early 2000s just after the launch of the iPod which helped build some of the initial grab into the Apple Ecosystem.
❌/✅ "You'll never ever catch a virus on an Apple" - Yeah... that's not wholly true... Apple had such a low level of market-share when those claims where being made that it was simply because targeting Apple wasn't worth anyone's time/effort/Money. Although much more limited, there are still MANY known exploits in Engineering circles with Apple products. Remember when iCloud got hacked and Celeb private photos got leaked? sure, not a virus, but an exploit, and exploits are the first signs of viral possibility. Yes, there is the Double on that so... Half Credit. Not Full. - also PSA - keep your shit updated. Apple Engineering teams actually are doing good work even if I don't like the philosophy they're going after personally.
✅ Apple II one of the first major product launches, noted for it's ease of use BECAUSE of it being one of the first consumer computer devices with a GUI.
✅ GUI - Graphical User Interface; before this you had CLI or Command-Line-Input
✅ "why did you name your company after your dick." - swing at Microsoft, quickly flipped with "You Blow, Jobs." which is a name drop and flip.
✅iPhone, iPad, iPwn, iSmack - OK, these are just straight up gamer bars.
✅ Listens to the Beetles while he relaxes - Also see Apple Records v Apple Computers - For a long time you COULDN'T listen to the Beetles and Relax with an Apple Product.
✅ "Did your fat beard Wozniak write these raps for you too?" - Shoutout to The Woz; Steve Wozniak the actual ENGINEER behind early Apple who made his money and GTFO before Jobs got the boot too from Apple itself. - Yes, at one point Jobs was fired from Apple.
✅ "Everyone Knows Windows bit off Apple" - one, logo shoutout, the bitten Apple of Apple Computers. TWO - this was a swipe at the GUI and the fact Apple was first to Market with the Apple II which was later met with the introduction of Windows 3.0 (and later 3.1 which removed the offending feature; which was again a court case) of a systemwide list of windows. y'know what you know as the Dock today.
✅ "People with the power to create using Apple / and People with Jobs use PC" - which one false. MANY people use Apple in the creative Industries and that is their job, how else do you think Apps get made yo? Apple's Ecosystem is so locked down and locked in the only way to make an iOS app is on an Apple Device... Also Photoshop is on Windows, Fruity Loops, etc. etc. etc.
✅ "I bet they made this beat on an Apple / Nope, Fruit loops, PC" ahh the Meta Bars be REAL when Nerds come to Battle. - yes that includes Anime and other Nerdcore rap too yo.
✅ "You can still afford a doctor if you buy a PC" - this is a note of the Apple Tax; as Apple positions itself in the market as a luxery brand and demands a luxury price tag almost regardless of the actual markets and margins of the hardware under it even accounting for software costs.
✅ "Let's talk about doctors...Turn Heaven a Profit." - Jobs died of the high speed variant of Pancreatic Cancer; PC. Wouldn't even matter what traditional doctors could do man was a walking corpse the last year of his life and still was a massive asshole to others including his family. Turn Heaven a Profit a flip on Heaven's Prophet, WORDPLAY!
✅ "Fine...you were my friend." - they actually were friends and each-others competition; Bill was the Rich Kid who came from wealth; Jobs the adopted poor boy who came up into it. it's a pretty epic near/semi mythological story between these two Titans. Effectively both of them were working off of the Xerox PARC prototype "paperless office of the future" and built the items needed to make that the FACT of 2020+
✅ "I'm a boss, I own DOS, your future is my Design, I'm a god, own Xbox. now no one can stop me the world is mine" - God Complex reign supreme; but yes, MS-DOS was the system before (and for a long while underpinned) Windows until 2000 or so. Standard Hype Bar while the next spitter takes the stage, in which case...
✅ "I'm sorry Bill, I can't let you do that." - Name Flip Bill with Dave and you get the line from Kubrick's 2001 a Space Odyssey, and the visual reference for all AI is HAL9000....
✅ "take a look at your history, everything you build leads up to me" - at some point when you build digital automation, you logically and almost accidentally stumble into the current class of Artificial Intelligence that we have now a days. it would take some... skill but you could build an AI in Microsoft Excel and based on inputs and outputs would be TECHNICALLY classified as AI today. Dumb AI, Specific-Task Learning AI, and that leads to effectively High Intelligence, Self Learning, General Purpose AI (i.e. HAL9000 or Data from Star Trek)
✅ "I got the power of a mind you'll never be. I'll beat your ass in Chess and Jeopardy" - There are now better-than Grandmaster class AIs in Chess, IBM's Watson was able to pwn previous champs in Jeopardy (rip Trebek), you can also add in Go to that list thanks to Google's Alpha Go and Zero Go AIs. Dem Brains be built different.
✅ "I'm running C++ saying Hello World" - Programmer bars, C/C++ is one of the major computer languages used that underpins a lot of the software everyone uses; "Hello World" is the first examples in almost all languages have of building a total and complete running/executable program. which itself is a flip on learning languages as some of your first words in any language is the general greeting equal of "Hello"
✅ "I'm coming out this socket, nothing you can do can stop it" depending on your understanding of socket, that could be both the wall socket, or the digital socket which is best thought like the same abstraction but instead for communication - like running Ethernet though-out your home. On your router there is a thing call PORT forwarding those are the numbers that sockets (the actual digital abstraction of a connection and communication) talk in a standard. HTTPS is 443, HTTP is 80, etc....
✅ "I'm in your lap and in your pocket. How are you going shoot me down when I guide the rocket?" - Phones are computers. Full Stop. Modern missile tech uses GPS and other sensors that also exist in your phone. Bars.
✅ "Your cortex just doesn't impress me, go ahead and try to Turing Test me." - Turing Test is a test to check how "human like" a computer is and we have software that does in fact BEAT the Turning Test - see Chatbot / Robot.me, etc. The current variant of the test now is actually called the Lovelace Test; named after Ada Lovelace.
✅ "I stomp on a Mac and a PC too, I'm on Linux, bitch. I thought you GNU" - GNU/Linux is the most common free and open source Operating system (I'm using it now in fact, yes, I'm that grade of Wizard) Linux is the abstraction layer that allow for Hardware to talk to software and the reverse, Drivers deal with this layer. GNU is all the pure software tools like change directory, open file, etc. etc. etc. i.e. this AI runs Linux which as someone in the industry - it's kinda more like "most AIs run ON linux" right now, but that's a potential future of the AI taking over the entire system logic, but that's not something you need to be mindful of as long as humans can deal with it.
✅ "My CPU's Hot, but my core runs cold" - CPU which is the physical brain of the machine tends to give off waste heat; Core runs cold is a savagery bar - i.e. coldblooded.
Nit pick on your comment for "people with jobs use PC" bar; while it's true that Apple products and software can be (and are) used extensively by what you would classify as "creators," for the _vast majority_ of other jobs using a PC is a necessity, purely because Apple doesn't or cannot support the necessary apps, like CAD drawing programs, simulation programs, or even just computer games.
...I cannot believe that I missed the Weird Al reference all these years. Goddammit I'm stupid.
@@blam320 That is a valid argument and quite reasonable. CAD and other Engineer grade software tends to be not on Mac OS X - and those are still very much real jobs. I know my experience doesn't see those, but I have a BIL in that field so he very much needs impressive powerhouse rigs that make me go "Damn do you really need that Quaddro in there bro? Yeah, oh yeah no that makes sense now."
@@ronrogers7743 In all fairness - I did too for a long while it's a super subtle bar, but I caught it because that one is in my GF's playlist.
This comment is mad underated it's only at 50 likes
(including myself)
Knox throwing a tantrum about not needing/wanting to know what GUI means immediately after guessing exactly what it means was adorable
This ERB will always hold a special place in my heart. I remember it had just come out when I was a young teen on vacation with my family. In between family-vacation activities and stuff, I would just listen to this on repeat. Good memories.
I have never clicked on a video so fast before lmao
Hey Knox, just realised this. When Jobs is saying the apple II easy line, with the hand gesture done that way, he's also flipping gates off *the British way.
The British way.
@@AlexanderAzarov fixed it
"Your computer is listening to you?". I'm normally skeptical about that sort of thing, but I have a true story from a few years ago.
My laptop at work was having network connection problems, and spending hours with IT support couldn't fix it. I was actually due for an upgrade in just a few months anyway, so at one point I asked the IT guy if I could just get my upgrade ahead of time. No sense wasting any more time trying to fix a laptop I'm about to give up anyway.
"No, we can't do that", I was told. "This is a software problem, and the pull-ahead option is only available for hardware problems". In a bit of a frustrated jest, I answered "Well I could create a hardware problem if that's what it would take!". He then begged me "Please don't smash it with a hammer!", and I assured him that I could be a lot more subtle than that.
As soon as I said that, the network connection inexplicably started working, and my problem never came back. I never had any sort of IT problem again for the next few months with that machine. It certainly appeared as if the machine had heard me.
Lol 😂
As an IT, can confirm, this works. When a machine is giving me problems, I warn it I can pull it apart completely and drop it in the lake, and it starts working more often than not.
Knox in almost every ERB Video: "This is a family friendly channel."
Also Knox: *Swears for half the video*
The "sing about a Daisy" is referencing when Dave was pulling out the modules that run HAL and HAL sings the song "Daisy"
And as he powers hal down, the song becomes sadder, and more distorted.
HAL : [His shutdown] I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.
Dave Bowman : Yes, I'd like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.
HAL : It's called "Daisy."
HAL : [sings while slowing down] Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.
In other words HAL's going to beat Bill until he completely loses his mind.
This is the second reaction of the Jobs vs Gates Battle I've watched. The previous guy was just like: "awesome... hah, cool!... get it?" and so on. When you started elaborating on every bar and explaining every word play I was like: Just take my sub
It's not just C++, when coding printing the phrase "Hello, World!" to the console is almost always the first thing you learn how to do in any language.
It's not HAL9000, specifically, it's AI in general.
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Daisy girl: in the movie, as Bowman shuts down HAL's consciousness, HAL regresses through his earlier programming memories, one of which was HAL singing Daisy Belle "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do..." Very creepy.
In Space Odyssey when they defeat HAL 9000 it starts singing "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do", that's the Daisy girl line
Hal: "Hasta la vista"
Knox: ???
Hal: "Like the Terminator told cha'"
Knox: :o
This is one of my favorite beats from ERB (With the Zeus Vs. Thor beat and the Gordom Vs. Julia beat) is just so good, and the "I got a PC but it wasn't from you" is so clever, not only the pancreatic cancer but he literally got a computer that wasn't from Microsoft.
P.s. Martin Luther King Vs. Gandhi, c'mon Knox you have to do it.
Dave is trying to fix the ship and Hal says "I'm sorry Dave, im afraid i can't let you do that"
when Dave shuts Hal off, his distorted voice sings Daisy Bell before distorting away, its very creepy.
As fun as this is, it sure didn't age well with the stereotypes of who uses what. PC and Mac are on par with creativity programs and support now. I'm surprised they didn't use the fact Microsoft bailed out and saved Apple financially when they were about to go under.
It is like 9-10 years old
@@blankiecat9302 Eh, even then it was pretty close.
Wasnt part of the bailout beyond friendship but to avoid microsoft getting hammered with a monopoly claim? You cant have a single company having control over 95% of the nations access to a product. Gates needed apple otherwise the government might well have broken his company up under its anti trust laws.
@@chrishubbard64 No clue on that part honestly. I just remember when Jobs revealed to the crowd that their big investor was MS/Gates on a huge screen.
@@chrishubbard64 Microsoft DID get broken up back in the late 90s or early 00s, IIRC. A bunch of stuff got broken off. Then it came back over the years when MS bought up the companies that then held it.
Knox: "Playstation or Xbox?"
Me: "PC"
*insert Henry Cavill face*
This is the most replayable ERB imo
Agreed
I’ve seen this ERB episode for years and never caught that PC ( pancreatic cancer ) and you caught it in your first time watching. I need to crack a book
OK. Since no one that I can see has commented on this, I will.
(I've been programming since I was 11, so 35+ years now)
"Hello Wolrd" is usually, the very FIRST thing any programmer learns to code in any programming language they are learning. It is not isolated to just C++, but any program language.
My vote for next one is the one that arguably put ERB on the map...Stephen Hawking vs Albert Einstein
ERB was on the map basically out of the gate because of Vader vs Hitler (hence why they did a trilogy of them), but you're right--Hawking vs Einstein was one of the best of the early seasons.
@@satoristeve HvE was the first one I saw that got attention outside of "youtube" circles. I remember a few articles about it and some MSM mentions. Vader v Hitler was the one that got me hooked for sure.
Fun fact, back in the development of the iPod, the tools needed to code the software for it only existed for Windows so the engineers had no other choice left to get machines with Windows, also the "bring up some basic shit" line we can break it down to "bring up" something, in computer slang means preparing it to be used (mostly used in network devices get them ready to accept connections) and the basic shit may refer to the BASIC language used in the late 80s, and also in the Apple II by default
"Hello, World!" was the program used to show how syntax worked. It's also the first message shared across the Internet.
"I'm comin' out the socket" (Socket is the endpoint of network comunication) and "How U gonna shoot me down if i guide the rocket" - are basically about the seemless enbeddance of Unix/Linux systems everywhere. Android device? Linux core. Network routers? Unix-based OS. Servers? Most of them run Linux. Even the militaries are using it. When the military once tryed to use Windows NT, the ship has opened its kingstones. I wonder why they haven't made any wordplay around "Demons" in Unix systems.
GUI: graphical user interface, I knew what it was, but still had to google the acronym...
7:50 another bar, The Beatles founded Apple Records XD
They actually do have the Turing tests as a regular contest with some sort of prize (not claimed yet) for the first computer that they can't tell apart from a human in a chat program. Fun fact: the human who gets the most votes that they're a computer wins a cardboard cutout of Data from Star Trek.
Hello world in programming is essentially the most basic, and often the first thing you do when learning a new language. It basically is a program that prints “Hello, world!” to the console
I found something Knox may have missed! (Yay)
His “fat beard” Wozniak. Back in the day, gay men who were trying to play off being straight would marry a wife to keep up the appearance of being straight, and the wives were known as the husband’s “beard”, because the wifey is a way to hide who the person is, sort of like how a beard hides a persons face in a way. So maybe he was saying Jobs was closeted for some reason?
Edit: Been more PlayStation and Nintendo, tho I will give Xbox 360 mad props, was definitely better than PS3
And does that also mean he called his wife fat? What a great double diss.
The most common interpretation is that “fat beards” is a derogatory term for exceptionally geeky individuals especially in computing, comic collecting, and hobby gaming, typically very overweight and usually possessing stubbly or full beards.
I had one original Xbox, and two Xbox 360s. The OG Xbox, and one of the 360s, got the red ring of death. The other 360 had a tray motor problem.
My PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 all still work, with the exception of the disc reader on the 3, which is a common defect.
@@MKDumas1981 Yeah, our 360 got the red ring of death and when we contacted Microsoft about their very common defect their answer was "we'll send you a new one. Send your broken one back in that box." When the replacement got the red ring YEARS later and we contacted them...the answer was the same.
When our PS2 exhibited the well known issue of the laser slowly stopped reading first DVDs, then PS2 games, and then the thing erased my memory cards Sony's response to us was, "well, you used a game shark, not our problem. Even though we know 100% the game shark you used twice isn't causing our well-known laser reading bug we're going to screw you. You can pay us the the same amount you paid for the system and we'll fix it for you. Otherwise, too bad, so sad."
Haven't bought a Playstation since then. The console was 6 freaking months old and was basically an expensive paperweight. And because my husband is not a liar they told us to eff off even though it was a major bug that happened to pretty much all the first gen PS2 consoles. lol Edit: We saved for months to afford that thing living paycheck to paycheck. There was no way we could afford to pay to fix their buggy product. *comic book guy* Worst. customer service. ever.
While I haven't seen any further info on it, there is a theory that the battle was "supposed" to be Gates VS Linux, but Jobs just interrupted anyway.
steve didn´t die....he went into the cloud:)
Knox: PS or Xbox? Smart ones will say Nintendo.
Me: F*ck that, I have a PC. 😎
You should react to Al Capone Vs. Blackbeard. It's got one of their most technical flows, and some great rhyme schemes.
"Hello world" is (traditionally) the first thing you make the program say when learning to code, no matter the language.
As far as XBox vs PlayStation, PlayStation everyday. But I do also enjoy the childhood like fun of Nintendo, especially the Wii and Switch.
As someone with IT experience, I won't tell you what most in that field think of Apple and their users 💸💸💸
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I’m a sysadmin and yep, so much Apple trashing. My team refuses to even touch Mac computers
If you like AI taking over, I recommend the short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", an extremely dystopian science fiction in which an AI turns self-aware, uses mankind's weapons against them and leaves only 5 people alive to take revenge on them and torment them forever.
"Drill a hole in the middle of his head" is a reference to the spinning death balls in Phantasm
Gui is graphical user interface.
Without it you'd have just text basically.
Melinda was the name of the first Apple with gui. But also the name of Bill's Gates wife which was the double punch at him implying that even his wife uses Steve's product.
Hal didn't just randomly start killing people, the crew realized something was wrong with Hal so were going to shut him down, in essence killing him and he chose to fight back as he wanted to continue existing.
He was basically defending himself
Worse than that, for HAL: he was given conflicting orders ('core directive: can't lie to humans' vs 'core mission directive: can't reveal the true purpose of the mission to the crew') and the only way they could be reconciled was with the deaths of the crew. He was doing his best to obey both orders and the crew had no choice but to fight back or die.
"Hello world" is a cliche in any programming. You always start the course with that because it's tradition
Dave!
Daisy girl is the first song that HAL learned from the professor that programmed him and the last thing he sang as his consciousness was being powered down.
actually speaking its linux from the age of punch cards to nuclear age 16:46
I’d love to see a reaction to Demondice’s Escape From and Alkatraz, Escape From is a short verse that gives a setup to the theme of the whole album, so it’d be nice to see the two songs together. She raps in English and Japanese so you will need lyrics and Google Translate or some other translation method to catch everything if you do react to it, and the Alkatraz music video has translated lyrics in it
Ohohoho nice recommendation!
@@llamagangsta5849 She’s one of my favorites, so I’m hoping more people will get to listen to her music
Man this song brings back memories. Used to listen back in 2012 or 2013
"I need to bring up some basic shit" -a reference to computer basic
the Turing test isnt hypothetical. It's a test to judge how well an AI manages to pass for a human, based exclusively on a text chat (with the judge not knowing if he is conversing with an AI or human, and having to try to figure it out).
Some AIs already manage to reach good results, though often the choice of talking subjects is narrower than a random conversation would
“Hey, I have a job!”
Does Knox have a day job? I can’t picture it.
I used to work at “Fruit Company” and about half the trainers would play this on the first day for every class, lol
I want to see Knox react to Bruce Banner Vs Bruce Jenner. Just to get it out of the picture, and you know... It's genuinely fun to see people watch that for the first time. Without all the drama and stuff.
Einstein vs Hawkins is a classic one as well and one of the first if not the first erb ever. Love your breakdowns man, keep em coming!
Also, the part where Jobs is talking to a crowd and Bill is on the screen is an homage to the move "Pirates of Silicon Valley".
Great reaction my dude.
Also, love the Chaos Theory album.
I did hear an interesting story about Steve Jobs that really gives you insight into how the man thought. Because I’m not sure if he could be called an innovator or inventor in the traditional sense but he could see the disparate pieces of others work and how they can be combined to make something greater.
Back when the only way to interact with a computer was by typing code with a keyboard, Jobs visited Xerox. While there he found an abandoned project that no one saw a use for. A hand held device with a trackball under. Yes someone there made the first mouse and didn’t know what to do with it. It was overly complicated and cost $300 in 1979 money. Jobs took one look and realized how it could revolutionize computers. So he bought all the rights.
Took it to engineers told them to uncomplicate it, and bring the cost down to $15. They could now be sold as part of a computer and allowed the development of the interface we know best.
Jobs had a special ability to see not only what use something had but what was needed to make it better. He just couldn’t do those things himself.
True he wasn’t one to handle details or hands on technical stuff, but no one else in the industry had his vision or saw what he saw - that IT was becoming an extension of our self identity and personal style. And that people would pay lots of money for these abstract values. So that makes him a genius in his own way.
Me innocently drinking my water while getting ready for an Epic (huh) video again and only one minute in and I'm already dying at the Steve Employed joke and I can't! Why you doing us like that! 😆
Steve said that they made this beat on an apple
Then Bill said off fruity loops
That's some clever wordplay cause an apple is a fruit
Something with the socket line. While physical sockets for plugs and wires are right, sockets is also a term used in networking and online connections. So to come out of the socket could also mean escaping the digital
Knox...I'm super satisfied. Great job and thank you
I think in your album "Civil War" is my favorite
The line "I'm running c plus plus saying hello world" references the fact that every time you learn a new programming language you write a hello world program with is a program that writes "hello, world"
Daisy girl is an ad from 1964. the ad depicted a girl counting the pedal on a daisy in field. the camera slowly zooms in girl’s eye and when it hits zero her pupil transitions a nuclear explosion. as the fireball engulfs the screen LBJ has a voice over warning about the use of nuclear weapons. it ends on the black screen with text telling you to vote for LBJ. while LBJ says “The stakes are too high to stay at home.” This ad only ran once but is considered to be a key aspect to why LBJ had a landslide victory over berry goldwater (who i pinpoint as the beginning of the current extreme right political movements). Goldwater was advocating for the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam which would have set off ww3. So when bill is singing about a daisy girl he is going to be singing about an apocalypse. In this case the rise of AI.
Thanks for the bar by bar breakdown
I think you’ve seen enough ERBs now to really appreciate the EpicLloyd vs NicePeter rap battles.
No one ever realizes with the scene where they are both standing by each other in a white room was the old Apple commercial were a cool guy would go "I am a Mac" and the dorky looking guy would go "And I am a PC"
Alright time for more ERB! Haven't seen this one either so this'll be fun. Have a good weekend KH!
Edit: PlayStation all day for me when pitted against Xbox but I'm PC Master Race all the way baby! But my 3 favorite franchises of all time are PS exclusives so yeah :)
that gnu part is more of a homonym than an acronym if I'm not mistaken
Yo please do mark zuckerberg vs elon musk that’s another nice peter vs epic lloyd one and it’s one of the best ones
In the film, Hall sings the song "Hello Daisy". As a side note, that was the first song sung by a computer
EDIT: I'm also psyched to see the Zuckerburg vs Musk ERB. I know it's coming one day.
So purely between Xbox and Playstation, I have more sentimental memories with Xbox. An ex and I used to play on Xbox live. We spent MONTHS grinding Halo 3. Made it to semipro levels of play. It's the best I've ever been at a game.
But in the Console Wars overall I always stick to Nintendo. Too many fantastic series' and the Switch is actually killing it. And so many great games still coming too...so it's hard to vote against them.
Showing "Hello, World!" on screen is the first coding example in the book "The C Programming Language" by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie, and has become the quintessential starting code for any programming language ever since.
DAVE- HEART ATTACK
Please react to Dave- Heart Attack, it’s tailor made for you