This is a great illustration of 1) how far YECs interpretations take them away from the message of the text to the original audience as they look for answers through a modern scientific lens. This discussion would surely be largely completely foreign to them. 2) the plain straight forward reading can lead you into a thorn bush of bad thinking while thinking you are right, and it takes a whole lot of disentangling to unhitch. Often times they haven't thought through the implications. Thanks Joel - some great content lately. Mackay's interpretation flattens out and diminishes the text while Beale enlarges our vision of God and understanding of our place in his World
Follow up post: started listening to Beale's God Dwells Among Us - I've been following YEC of the likes of Ken Ham for years, and never heard anything resembling this kind of depth of scripture interpreting scripture - stunning to see the temple threads running through redemption history. By contrast, AiG's reading is very superficial and disconnected from the whole of narrative of Scripture and God's purpose in creating humanity.
The argument that the planets had perfect circular orbits before the so-called Fall is hilarious. And such a good example of the subjective, human-centric definition of “perfect” that creationists rely on. I wonder which galaxy shape is more perfect: elliptical or spiral?
They should check their Hebrew dictionary. "Towb". the Hebrew word translated "good" in Gen. 1, does not mean perfection, or sinless or deathless. The same word is used to describe the fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and again in chapter six when it says the Sons of God (not angles) saw that the daughters of Adam were "beautiful". It means suitable for a purpose or attractive, not sinless, or deathless, or perfect. God probably subjected creation to futility on the first Monday, not when Adam fell!
Yes! Though I admit it has been said before by some wag who noticed that it was the only day that God did not declare anything "good". @@InquisitiveBible
Also, many paintings of Adam and Eve in the Garden show that they have navels. A navel is a scar left over from birth. Since Adam and Eve were not born, why would they have a belly button?
This guy is unbelievable. He can go on for almost 40-minutes about something that doesn't at all matter. This is what happens when you get bored with that tired old gospel thing. What is preventing me from meditating on God's word?
I guess what is food for some can be junk food for others. Personally I was able to take some profound meditation time after listening to this presentation. Great insight!
@@michaelsintef7337 - You're right. I spend my time thinking about stuff that is not directly gospel related too. But I find that a lot of the Young Earth / Old Earth debate is pretty subjective. One group I've listened to says that there was no death at all on earth prior to Adam's sin (which was discussed in this video) but just like this video pointed out, that would require a very different earth. Romans 5:12 says that prior to Adam's sin man didn't die but doesn't say that about any other life forms on earth. Extrapolations like this often lead to shipwreck. I have come to the conclusion, however, that, while Genesis 1 describes the six days of creation, Genesis 2 picks up after all that and describes how God made Adam and placed him in a Garden. I find that, not conflating Genesis 1 with Genesis 2 affords a lot more time for events to unfold. I mean, if you take Genesis 2 to be a rehash of Genesis 1 then Adam has to be created, get lonely enough for God to notice, and then have a special creation of a bunch of animals that Adam names and then God discovers that adding more animals isn't the solution to Adam's loneliness. That's a WHOLE LOT of activity for a single day. If Genesis 2 is a period of time well after the six days of creation then all those events are allowed to breathe.
A scientific sermon, good points and things to ponder!
This is a great illustration of 1) how far YECs interpretations take them away from the message of the text to the original audience as they look for answers through a modern scientific lens. This discussion would surely be largely completely foreign to them. 2) the plain straight forward reading can lead you into a thorn bush of bad thinking while thinking you are right, and it takes a whole lot of disentangling to unhitch. Often times they haven't thought through the implications. Thanks Joel - some great content lately. Mackay's interpretation flattens out and diminishes the text while Beale enlarges our vision of God and understanding of our place in his World
Follow up post: started listening to Beale's God Dwells Among Us - I've been following YEC of the likes of Ken Ham for years, and never heard anything resembling this kind of depth of scripture interpreting scripture - stunning to see the temple threads running through redemption history. By contrast, AiG's reading is very superficial and disconnected from the whole of narrative of Scripture and God's purpose in creating humanity.
Thanks! It's nice to have you explaining how you do understand Genesis.
we always appreciate your thoughts ~
Fascinating! Gives me a lot to think about.
The argument that the planets had perfect circular orbits before the so-called Fall is hilarious. And such a good example of the subjective, human-centric definition of “perfect” that creationists rely on.
I wonder which galaxy shape is more perfect: elliptical or spiral?
They should check their Hebrew dictionary. "Towb". the Hebrew word translated "good" in Gen. 1, does not mean perfection, or sinless or deathless. The same word is used to describe the fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and again in chapter six when it says the Sons of God (not angles) saw that the daughters of Adam were "beautiful". It means suitable for a purpose or attractive, not sinless, or deathless, or perfect. God probably subjected creation to futility on the first Monday, not when Adam fell!
So what you're saying is, even God hates Mondays. :)
Yes! Though I admit it has been said before by some wag who noticed that it was the only day that God did not declare anything "good". @@InquisitiveBible
Studying mythology is fun and very interesting.
Also, many paintings of Adam and Eve in the Garden show that they have navels. A navel is a scar left over from birth. Since Adam and Eve were not born, why would they have a belly button?
This guy is unbelievable. He can go on for almost 40-minutes about something that doesn't at all matter. This is what happens when you get bored with that tired old gospel thing. What is preventing me from meditating on God's word?
I guess what is food for some can be junk food for others. Personally I was able to take some profound meditation time after listening to this presentation. Great insight!
@@michaelsintef7337 - You're right. I spend my time thinking about stuff that is not directly gospel related too. But I find that a lot of the Young Earth / Old Earth debate is pretty subjective.
One group I've listened to says that there was no death at all on earth prior to Adam's sin (which was discussed in this video) but just like this video pointed out, that would require a very different earth.
Romans 5:12 says that prior to Adam's sin man didn't die but doesn't say that about any other life forms on earth. Extrapolations like this often lead to shipwreck.
I have come to the conclusion, however, that, while Genesis 1 describes the six days of creation, Genesis 2 picks up after all that and describes how God made Adam and placed him in a Garden. I find that, not conflating Genesis 1 with Genesis 2 affords a lot more time for events to unfold.
I mean, if you take Genesis 2 to be a rehash of Genesis 1 then Adam has to be created, get lonely enough for God to notice, and then have a special creation of a bunch of animals that Adam names and then God discovers that adding more animals isn't the solution to Adam's loneliness. That's a WHOLE LOT of activity for a single day. If Genesis 2 is a period of time well after the six days of creation then all those events are allowed to breathe.