Pilot Loses Control Over Plane
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Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 777F hard landing
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Kitfox flipping over on landing
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Private jet escaping from police helicopter
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Pegasus passenger plane taking off with snow covered wings
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Really makes you appreciate the engineering that goes into planes for the abuse they can take.
Depends how hard, they will have to file a 'hard landing' report and have the plane inspected
@@mark675 I figured. Still, I remember the first time seeing wing stress testing and the like, was completely surprised.
makes me feel a bit safer watching that plane land like i was playing a flight sim first time
I work at Safran landing systems (UK) they manufacture the A350 MLG and A330-241t and 252t MLG and the engineering behind them and the manufaturing is amazing, but again usually the the force is propagated to the airframe when it lands hard depending, how hard of course
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Luckily that experimental plane has an alarm informing you you are upside down. Imagine the confusion otherwise 😳
That sound was from the ELT automatically activating. Most likely due to the hard impact and not solely becuase of the airframe flipping over.
The kitfox might be aerobatics capable, so activating the elt upside down would not be ideal.
ELT Emergency Locator Transmitter = transmits a distress signal on the distress frequency (121,5 MHz) which is commonly monitored by a bunch of aircraft
The idea behind this is that if you crash your plane sooner or later someone might "hear" your distress call and com to aid.
@@cap5856 He's German.
@@cap5856 wasn’t perfectly sure whether it was or not… no corresponding emoji 😉
@@antman5474 as they say: “How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb? One, we work efficiently and have no sense of humor!” 😉
@@benjaminschmid7313 I like it 👍😂😂
While the Pegasus takeoff with “ice” on the wing looks bad, there are some factors to consider before accusing this crew of negligence. You may notice the upper surface of a 737 wing often, if not always, has a black “box” painted on it. This black box essentially outlines the fuel tank within the wing, and also depicts the area on the wing which may be covered with what’s known as Cold Soaked Fuel Frost (CSFF). CSFF occurs when very cold fuel in the wings, cools the skin of the wings in cool humid air causing condensation to freeze into frost. The 737 is certified to takeoff without deicing this frost within the black box area of the upper wing surface, as long as some other conditions are met, including a minimum fuel tank temperature, minimum outside air temperature, and a lack of visible moisture.
If you watch the video again, you’ll see that outboard from the “snowy” area on the wing, the wing is actually clear of snow and ice. The “ice” which actually seems to be frost is contained within the black outlined area of the wing. This can more clearly been seen as the aircraft climbs away from the runway. I’d say without knowing the specific fuel tank temp, outside air temp, etc., this crew was probably within the guidelines for a safe takeoff per Boeing.
That's exactly what I was seeing as well. I don't have B737 experience, so I didn't now how (un)sensitive the 737 is to that condition - so thanks for filling me in. At my airline (in Canada) if any passenger or other crewmember brings a report of "ice or snow" on the wings to the crew's attention, then the Captain must look into it - to prevent "surprise" events. I wonder if any of these passengers notified the flight attendant to make sure the flight crew was aware?
@@gcorriveau6864 I haven’t personally encountered much CSFF, but it seems prudent to make a PA about it before takeoff to alleviate any passenger worries if you were to have any.
I’ve never ever heard of this during my 737 type rating or recurrents. It doesn’t make sense to me. We have a clean aircraft concept, I would never be allowed to take off like that.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Your airline may certainly be more restrictive than Boeing’s guidance, but I can assure you at least one major US carrier specifies rules for departing with CSFF because I fly for said carrier.
@@USAFA00 I just researched a bit and learned something new. Interesting is that Boeing allows it, but the FAA states that upper services of a wing has to be clear and lower surface is allowed to have a certain amount. Obviously, Boeing got a dispensation for that, but still interesting to me.
The Kitfox flipping over in the snow is one of the most abrupt stops I've ever seen an airplane perform! I'm guessing it had skis, but that snow was very soft. The Saudi airliners passing in front of the sun was very cool, must have been an incredible sound in real life.
snow can be tricky, because various stages of accumulation, for example, a thick layer of relatively powder-snow, and later on, a light freezing rain on top forming a sheet of ice, and then another day perhaps another thin accumulation of powder snow on top of that, would trip a plane's landing gear, trip the entire plane, just as we've seen here.
@@mtlicq if im not mistaken he had snow skis equipped on this kitfox for the time while in the environment, but he fucked up badly. look at his turn coordinator when he touched down - wing bank of greater than 10 degrees and slipping to the right. he landed in a high crosswind environment out of spec for that little plane. the snow along with the conditions caused the skis to dig in and flip the plane.
Pulled enough to set off the ELT.
@@CapStar362
I like your answer better than mine.
@@auwz66 i thought that was the ELT....
“Private jet escapes from helicopter” by taking off from a dirt airstrip adjacent to the ocean on one side and an inter coastal waterway on the other can only mean one thing, drug runner.
Tampoco hay que ser muy listos . Ves Mexico, Jet 🛩 y sin pista 🕵🏻♂️ = cargamento que te crió
I think this clip is kind of old
@@barsaf9989 you're right, it is
But is it the CIA or cartel?? Hmmmmm.
@@azcoyote007 pues igual el piloto de la DEA y la coca del mayor cartel del mundo, el de los soles 🌝🌞😎 con Maduro a la cabeza.
1:07 Wow, the aircraft's laser weapons activated as soon as it hit the ground...phew phew phew
😂
Really impressed with the Kitfox pilot maintaining his composure like that. Pull off, cut off, shut off, and some other stuff in like 1 second flat.
No need to have clickbait titles like "Pilot Loses Control Over Plane" ... 3 Minutes of Aviation is enough of a brand already :)
Jeah I don't know why they do it either
1:08 Good thing it had that alarm to let him know something had gone wrong. Would have been really embarrassing to keep trying to fly upside down in the snow.
Some clips on this channel show exactly how safe aviation is, given the amount of stupidity planes can take without breaking appart. Big kudos to engineers and the industry in general, aviation is one of the few we can still put some trust on.
Like they say, any landing that you can dig through snow upside-down to crawl away from, is a good one.
I've seen that 'Kitfox' landing before. It was an 'engine out' situation and the prop was 'windmilling", it's a fixed prop with no ability to feather. Considering it was wheels in a snow covered field the pilot did an excellent job! Cheers, --gary
I was wondering why anyone would try to land in snow unless it had skis but an engine out makes the decision for you. Looks like it wasn't too bad damage wise from what we could see. I remember my dad explaining when we went RC flying he explained "build it light and the damage will be less", I can see his point now.
@@MrMaxeemum If you're really curious? The Kitfox is a 51% owner built, experimental airplane, and registered that way with the FAA. The Experimental class has its own set of rules. One is weight limit, the total gross weight has to be under ~1400 lbs. There are others for max speed, max HP, stall speed etc. You also don't need the full FAA certificate to fly it, including the "medical". That's one reason they are so popular with former pilots that can't pass the medical exam anymore, and a whole lot of other people. It's a rapidly growing segment of aviation. There is talk of making the requirements even less in the future. Hope that helped!?! 8) --gary
In the past Falcon jets used to show off its unimproved surface performance and Pilatus jets do now. Perfect ad for Gulfstream Aircraft to use to sell to Columbian customers.
Non of my Gulfstream manuals say it’s approved for dirt runways. If you can call it that. Excess thrust is always good. Sad that GIVs are now being used as drug running planes.
@@stevez6499 I mean the majority of planes have been used for worse lol
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The pilots did not lose control. they landed it safely despite the extreme cross wind they encountered near the runway.
Maybe they were weak from lack of food and just didn't have the strength to fight the controls.....Snickers commercial 🤔
For the Ethiopian 777... It's a classic Overcontrol on the stick.
Pilots who are accustomed to non-fly-by-wire airplanes have this tendency, overcontrolling the aircraft with excess of inputs which makes the Fly-By-Wire of the 777 to respond immediately and causing this effect.
Pilot-induced oscillation
Or just really shitty flying. The 777 is a very easy airplane to fly. "Classic overcontrol"??? Not at my airline. I've never seen anything like this happen when at work.
Probably the reason Boeing kept Yoke and other mechanical interactions for long. With fligth by wire there is "probably" a control augmentation in the SW, that improves responde speed and reduces overshoot (control 1.0). My guess only.
What Steve said: “really shitty flying”. This has nothing to do with fly by wire or not.
@@lbowsk Well... I have been flying the B777 [all models] since Feb-1998 [22 years] and I finished my career in March 2021 and I was an instructor from 2000~2006 on the B777 and I can tell you, we continue to see a lot of pilots doing it even today... believe me. Remember these growing companies get a lot of pilots from the B737...
Over 40 years ago, while Hurricane David was on its way to Florida, I was on the last flight from Sarasota to Orlando (I think) before the rest of the flights were canceled. When we reached Orlando, the winds were incredible! We were told over the intercom that our landing would be rough and to buckle up! Not their exact words but it's what they meant. Anyways, the plane was tilting side to side and looking out the window, I would see the sky then see the ground then the sky then the ground, etc. When the wheels touched down, the whole plane like bounced. We couldn't pull up to the skywalk thingy and we all had to go down this ladder. (I was kind of disappointed they didn't have one of those chutes.). This one woman, who was tiny, had to be literally dragged into this basement/storage type place because the winds were so strong. It's an experience I'll never forget and I'll forever be thankful we had a GREAT flight crew! Every last one of them!
🤯😵. That Pegasus flight crew really believe they are invincible
now my favourite channel on youtube .. thanks :)
True marvels of engineering.
What a great recovery from a very skillful pilot. These kinds of aviators win many nervous travelers across to plane travel.
Sadly, while only a few, is a few too many, slip through the ranks. These must be weeded out and retrained.
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That experimental Kitfox alarm sounded like the Jeopardy daily double sound effect.
that was the either the engine alarm or the ELT Going off.
The music in the end of each video is very soothing
Private jet “escapes” from a helicopter… drug runner, perhaps?!?
Almost certainly
It was. I've seen this clip before and the original explained that it was.
This has been well covered elsewhere. Mexican authorities had already secured the plane and arrested people after a drug related unauthorised airspace breach. This is said authorities taking off to move the plane elsewhere. I am abs no expert, but looking at the strip, my guess is that it was used before without detection.
For sure. Also that copter would’ve probably been firing at that aircraft if they really wanted to stop it. As someone else mentioned above, this looks like the plane being recovered.
My thoughts exactly.
Love the informative video style!
Thank you!
1:33 i can smell the drugs and/or druglord inside 😁😁
Great video!😸
I flip my kitfox like that all the time in flight simulator 2020 😂
But do you wear white sox while doing that?
1:09 plane flips over
Plane:*8-bit video game sounds*
That’s not snow on the 737 wing. It’s frost from the cold fuel. It forms after a descent from high altitude. As long as it doesn’t extend beyond the black painted lines on the wing it is acceptable for departure. Happens all the time.
Really? What does the FAA have to say about that? On the top of the wing? The leading edge?
You might want to research that.
@@lbowsk Yep really. Look it up.
@@lbowsk you would be suprised how many of our amazon planes refused glycol. I just got nervous cause usually during takeoffs they move their flaps i didn't see them move any in the video.
All in a days work - hope the Martinis didn't loose their olives 😂
It's kind of amazing what you can motivate yourself to do when you're motivated by sheer terror.
Last clip is amazing
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing .
Would you say that if YOU were liable for the financial costs incurred by those "good landings?"
@@Rif_Leman planes rear gear can take an absolute beating. As long they dont nose down first there likely wont be any damage.
And any landing where you can use the aircraft again is a great landing.
I'd like the back story to the private jet, like something out of a movie
Drugs for SURE
DRUGS ???
@@fredtedstedman Cocain specifically! !!!
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1:33 Columbian airlines with their latest haul of china white to the US!
I am pretty sure that 'Kitfox' was landing on a lake and not a field.... Does not matter, rather a spectacular 'arrival'. Also, kind of odd that the 737 taking off 'without removing the snow'... well, it does not LOOK like snow. What it looks like is there is only some light frost within the painted box on the wing. And isn't that where the fuel tank is? Which would mean that (maybe) that part of the wing is a bit colder than the other parts... which would mean that light first would accumulate there leaving the rest of the wing clear... which it sure looks like has happened. So no real problem with that, just go.
last one has the nam vets bringing back memories
Thank goodness it was a cargo plane, or the passenger's heads would be in the overhead bin.
"And please be careful opening the overhead bins as your heads may have moved during the flight. On behalf of all of the crew, we'd like to thank you for flying Ethiopian today, and wish you a pleasant onward journey."
Bing bong, Please remain seated while the captain bunny hops what's left of the aircraft to the terminal. Thank you
What kind of plane is that making the "escape"? It appears to have the engines mounted in an unusual location (high on the fuselage and with the intakes over the wings, I assume to aid with dirt takeoffs) but I'm not having any luck finding type and model.
To be fair to the Kitfox pilot, at least his first priority was switching off all the systems instead of fiddling with the camera like that Chinese guy
Windshear and a cargo aircraft which according to 74pilot (I'm paraphrasing) can mean that pilots will take a harder landing if necessary
It can also be due to airline policy. As far as I understand it, Ryanair will force its pilots back into the simulator if they do three go arounds within a certain time frame. Alas I’ve forgotten what that time frame is, maybe six months or a year? But it explains Ryanair pilot reputation for hard landings. For the most part they’re doing it deliberately out of fear of the company. Slam that big metal bird into the runway to reduce chances of having to do a go around.
@02:50 A 9/11 commemorative formation.
1:33
Did anyone else hear Glenn Frey's "Smuggler's Blues" in their head? 😁
1:21 most shocking thing about the crash was the choice of white socks for his flight.
where's the weekly clip from aerosucre??
All credit to the Ethiopian airlines pilot. Handling that wind sheer so skilfully
yea all good to end up with a PIO situation and a hard landing, vs a G/A - not
That Kitfox was coming in hot!
2:46
That one is epic
Where is Aerosucre?
Thay last clip is asome 🥊
That clip says a hell of a lot a about the strength of the 777 landing gear. I guess they either bounce or they break.
Ethiopian stuck it down good and hard all things considered.
This was the biggest air show in Jeddah 2:49
I have enjoyed your website very much, however please refrain from sensationalizing to attract more viewers. The pilots of the Ethiopian 777 did not “ lose control” of the airplane! They were simply dealing with some large wind shifts and were in total control as they went through them.
If you call that being "in total control" I am taking all the windy landings.
wrong - wasnt even wind shifts.....
this is PIO or Pilot Induced Oscillations.
Winds were 96 @ 8 Gusting 12, just a measly 4 degrees off the runway heading. pretty much no factor to a 777F.
@@cap5856 cuz it triggers some ppl 👀 and that’s just funny as 💩.
@@lbowsk right. 🤣🤣
@@CapStar362 crap, something is wrong with the matrix……since I agree with u today. 😳
Pretty sure I would be making a point of complaining to the airline if I had been a passenger of a plane that took off with snow on the wings.
It may have been frost forming (condensation) over top of a fuel tank that has been chilled from the cool fuel just loaded. The pilots might not have been aware and a passenger calling it to their attention is usually appreciated (by good flight crews/airlines).
wasn't icing - it was CSFF - Cold Soaked Fuel Frosting. 737 can takeoff with this if tolerances are met to still be safe.
The pilots didn’t know what they were doing
@@kateofone please, the ground crew informs them.
@capstar362, how have multiple jokes gone over your head in a single UA-cam videos comment section? Lol
Any landing you walk away from is a good 👍
Pegasus never learns
The camera is not sharp this gives the impression of snow on the wing. From one second to another the snow is gone and you even can see the rivets, very strange. The color scheme on the wing is exactly the same before and after the snow. The outer wing had never snow on it. It’s a freak.
I loved the Kitfox pilot's white socks.
I’m no expert, but it seems the Ethiopian Airlines pilots made a good recovery in a potentially bad situation.
1:28 is hilarious....Drug runners with nice get away and a plane full of Colombian uncut. The streets of LA will be happy in the morning
I bet the TCAS on those 4 planes were going nuts XD Which pilot lost control in this video?
Taking off with wings covered with snow seems to me an almost criminal act... very, very dangerous! The snow may modify the wing profile and make you loose lift, crazy!!!
Nice
Impressive how that private jet manages to go from 0 to 110-130 knots (I'm assuming. I could be so very wrong) in such a short space of time on that kind of runway. Love to see launches like that.
The drug trade in Mexico is alive and well it would seem...
Narcos
Especially when they are full of drugs
@@lukasmaciejczyk582 My thoughts exactly
Impressive performance but the way the pilot immediately leveled off once he got off the ground indicates he may not have achieved V1 yet (heavy plane full of drugs?) and wanted to avoid a stall.
1:33 Swiss001 moment right there. 🤣
More like "drug cartel boss escapes a federale helicopter via a beach dirt strip"
Corrected title: "Plane Has Bumpy Landing."
OMG the Pegasus… in Sarajevo no less
this is the reason why pegasusairlines does so much runway excursions
From the classic A380 landing gear testing video, landing gear engineers watch the Ethiopian landing regularly every time they do the calculations.
NEW IDEA: (concerning the not de-iced aircraft): a sensor, which measures how much lift is generated at, say 50 kts TAS). Lift could be measured by sampling how much the wing bends upwards or how much weight is on the undercarriage (isn't the latter already done for auto-spoilers or the auto-brakes)?
Who lands on a snow covered field? Also why is the jet trying to evade the helicopter?
Great PIO job by the Ethiopian PF.
'2:00 drug dealer got away sir!'
1:23 white socks and black shoes was the most dangerous manoeuvre on this Landing come on people think Fashion before Flying
Later that day that ethiopian pilot was immediately hired and promoted to owner of the ryanair company.
At 2:20 apparently lift IS optional. It just takes a trace of ice to do ugly things to lift.
1:44 that is one long dirt strip😮
Rule #1: don’t lose control of plane
Rule #2: …especially while landing
Rule 3 . The plane landed
Rule #2 is “don’t hit anything “
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 7 Sep 22.
Fart 🤣🤣 1:09
Wow.
Fun fact: I’m the guy that said “OH SNAP OH” in the first clip
Glad to see that drug plane make it into the air before being intercepted! The inflation this summer on all your favorite powdery substances has been a nightmare! :D my gold bond powder alone has gone up almost .75.
Gotta pay for the repair costs from taking off on dirt strips.
I stopped snorting Gold Bond powder when I saw what I did to one of my buddies in Iraq. I switched over to the Colombian powder and never went back.
@@skydiverclassc2031 - Im pretty sure the owner of that plane never worried about repairs. That one trip probably bought him 4 planes like that.
Memo from Ryanair to Ethiopian Cargo, "we do this with pax aboard, cheerio"
Cargo planes have rough landings mainly because the Cargo cant leave a Review of the flight/airline
A cargo of eggs mIght leave a review…
I really Really REALLY want to see the Kitfox-flip-into-field maneuver from the guy on the ground's camera. If you slow it down you'll see that he flies right over black SUV a second or two before contacting the ground.
The Ethiopian 777 was landing at MIA,correct ?
Was that a real private jet taking off from the dirt
why td did they skipped de icing ? did they have a death wish ?
0:45 right on the friggan engine "Pharma Wing"...
For sake of clarity, the most of people never experienced an actual "hard landing".
Depends by airplane and manufacturer, but commonly the definition of hard landing is a landing where the peak of acceleration exceeds 2.1g.
The Etyopian flight landing shown in the video for sure was quite rough but not hard landing.
Lifting off without deicing the wings can go HORRIBLY wrong…
wrong - its CSFF and the 737 is certified to fly if conditions are met that its no factor.
@@CapStar362 I said it CAN go horribly wrong
There were more than enough cases where ice on the wings disrupted the airflow and added tons of weight resulting in devastating crashes
@@J_vb the 737 has strict tolerances on CSFF Conditions and none of the prior incidents involving 737's and icing were due to CSFF conditions.
0:15 9/10 Ryanair landing. Still some room for improvement though. Maybe land harder or break the gear next time. Lol.
The snow on the wing looked minimal. The leading edges and control surfaces were clean and panel lines could be seen through the dusting of snow.
Was not an issue, probably just someone wanting to make a drama out of it lol
I agree however the snow in the inboard surfaces wasn’t blowing off even after lift off, must have been pretty wet and heavy to stay sick that long
@@bruanne6367 And it would've played havoc with the boundary layer, thus eliminating much of the lift normally achieved by those surfaces.
@@mattafakkah Glad you discovered the Copy-Paste-Function on your keyboard!
@@vk2ig exactly, I’ve had “light dusting of nice dry snow on my wings and it blows off as soon as you start the take off roll.. but that wet heavy stuff can play havoc.
Snow is no big deal on wings. Ice is a big deal.