He was charged for a new turbo but the fault still exists!! Range Rover Sport
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Fault codes...
P2101-77 throttle actuator commanded position not reachable
P0234-77 Turbo Overboost Condition
P2463-00 DPF Diesel Particulate Filter Soot Accumulation
various repair attempts were made and large sums of money wasted
#cars #diesel #dpf #mechanic - Авто та транспорт
Mind boggling, the level of incompetence of some auto shops. Great job, Jimmy!
Sad how hes been treated. But, this guy will soon realise that you are a reliable & Honest mechanic and he will be back.. great job jimmy
It's bugger belief that no one has got the wisdom to listen to the people that know. I knew as soon as you put the video up, good work keep them coming
That is basically my car.. You helped me a lot.. This is an awesome car.. The 3.0 liter is so efficient and smooth.. I take people who have owned diesels their whole life and I jump o the throttle and they can't believe how quick it is.. Say it's witchcraft... The ride is smooth, its good off road, and the best snow and ice 4x4 performance I have ever had.. Leather is top quality.. The computer seems like it was programed to try and force you into the dealership as much as possible but getting a reader and subscribing to this channel has helped us navigate codes and save $1000's... Thanks
It's the Ford / PSA engine in them... surprised the throttle body costs so much!
@@khalidacosta7133 I was under the impression it was the Peugeot... Very efficient t but the cam lobs are so close that the cam can snap under high torque.. Otherwise. efficient..
@@drostly3220 Crank* It was never designed for Range Rovers. It was designed for FWD transverse applications in a 1.8t car. Then you get a 2.5t+ RR, probably towing something and obvs RR driver mentality (floor it everywhere), placing high stress onto the crank which it wasn't designed for. I would say switch to 5W40 high quality engine oil which will help under pressure.
@@khalidacosta7133 I switched to Rotella T6 5w40 right away..Add Bestline diamond lube... gets combined MPG of 30 with no programing.. Thanks for the input..
@@drostly3220 Really wouldn't put that snake oil in. Even in the blurb it states the nanodiamonds are 4-6nm in size. What are diamonds? Carbon - carbon links... much like the soot that darkens the engine oil.... Absolute horseshit that the oil filter should filter out anyway.
brilliant job as normal jimmy, its really bad to see that customer so badly fleeced, but i bet you he is well pleased now with your work...keep em comming
You’re one of the best mechanics out there who really started bringing great advice and maintenance on cars / vans , to the common person on the street . And like myself another mobile mechanic , cheers mate
The free repair to the sticking throttle body isn't filing down the butterfly, it's banging a self-tapper in from underneath - Tbody off - so that it protrudes in just enough to stop the butterfly from knee-locking into the stuck position. Make it so it just barely closes but can't kick-over into the locked position. It's only when it kicks past that last 1 or 2mm that the "stuck" condition arises. Bang it back on, run a position re-learn & save 500 quid. Or 6k in this case. :-)
Won't work? Wanna bet? Oh yes it will. I file the tip of the screw flat once it's in, then adjust it so it acts as a physical stop. Bosh - issue resolved. Costs 10p - or 100 quid if you pay me to. Because.
Practical solution love it
That’s my car , 2016 RRS td6, Jimmy. Thanks to you it is a great car. Just did the throttle body change after 70,000m. A great car for gobbling up the miles. Virginia to Utah and back was just fuel and a bit of DEF. Nearest thing to flying comfort. Keep up the great work pushing back the fog of ignorance surrounding diesels and DPF. Cheers
Great to hear!
hard to believe that the garages don't know about this fault my cat even knows about it 🤣.
Excellent work, as ever. Amazed that this took so long to get fixed, when the throttle body code was already evident!
The point is the guy spent tens of thousands on this car and it has the same fault with the throttle body that has been found multiple times. Range Rover should either bring out a new improved part or fix these issues for free as it’s obviously a design fault
if you get new throttle body from range rover, they improved the design and it doesn't happen - so they know it was faulty but they never made a recall on it to replace it for free
It's a FORD engine.
When you've been hit in the wallet on lots of pointless and expensive parts that doesn't fix your car you cant blame the guy for being sceptical, but we all know you nailed it. 👍
Land Rover better than a Toyota..
I need to lie down and call the Doctor.
Good luck reaching that Doctor, unless you are a migrant ?
On one particular issue.
Toyota had a lot of DPF problem a while back but It seems they have sorted it.
Expensive mechanical problems might seem like "not a big deal" if you are a mechanic, but seeing how so many seem to misdiagnose diesel issues, that is a problem for us regular plods who don't have access to a lot of equipment.
I've had all kinds of EGR related codes show up because of both a stuck throttle body and a dirty mass airflow sensor
Great job Jimmy. You saved my life - turbo overboost error on my 3d Jag F-Pace, 2017....throttle body and MAP sensor both cleaned...so far, so good.
A plastic throttle body...what could possibly go wrong? I wouldn't mind it, if the parts were significantly cheaper for the customers... which doesn't happen.
I've just replaced a snapped clutch master cylinder on a Citroen Relay van and that's made from plastic. You'd think they'd at least make the plunger rod out of metal but it's all plastic. Even the clutch pedal is plastic 🤔
@@SimonCoates When Accountants start to draw cars. If you wrench on a 90's car, and then in something more recent, you soon find the drastic switch in parts quality.
Same problem used to exist with the 48mm k-series throttle bodies from years ago. Everyone swapped them out for the metal version instead and all the problems disappeared.
Seems like there's scope for someone to make an up-engineered throttle body for those Range Rovers...
Hi there Jimmy excellent you the best on that problem's,,But what People don't realize is All your time u spend Learning about the system and problem's,,top notch Tech,,👌💯
Thanks again fella
Did the previous garage charge for a turbo, but just file down the throttle body badly?
Great job as usual 👍
If Jimmy told me to bring a part with me, it would be in the front foot well
Very helpful video, thanks for the effort in making this.
The TOpix diag and testing section has a picture of the date stamp for those plastic throttles. It’s been a known issue since 2016 and is published. The pinpoint test for P0234-77 also may lead you to that date stamp check.
Geezer. Great video, God bless 🤗🤗
Great job Jimmy
Well done, Jimmy!!
Great job
Whoever buys this JLR I am sure they have the money to maintenen them, they just play you saying don't have the money to put new parts,,JLR in my opinion they are unreliable cars,,,you know your job well .. well done Jimmy
What a great video matey 👍🏻
Cheers jimmy, if I was that Customer I would be out for a refund. That’s pure incompetence. When I was in Plant we had very few problems with Vehicles which allowed us to get on with making money with the Machines. All the best.
the more i read about these the more it puts me off buying one so i will stick to my old freelander, thanks for the video
They spent more trying to fix their Range Rover than I will spend on my next car.
I know which I'd rather have out of a 12 year old executive Euro 5 diesel and a load of parts that didn't fix a car.
Seems like I'm working on a totally different financial level when it comes to cars than some people.
For sure a 2017 Range Rover is a lovely car to be in and to drive. But so are certain BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi etc etc etc Euro 5 diesels...
Got to be one of the best mechanics in the country.
Land Rover quality these days seems to be in the toilet. They used to try, now perhaps given up? Horrible cars, very sad.
Alot of these garages just see pound signs and rip people off.
Your kidding me. That 3.0L have cranks snapping and are very bad for it
Nice motor,pity they are such a money pit.
So im getting from this too is as well as buy the car buy a diagnostic machine your gonna need it
Not sure why people seem to hate on them either. If you need a vehicle with some balls for towing, they're a great car. There aren't many vehicles out there where you can tow a 3500Kg trailer with relative ease. A friend on mine recently had a 3.0L Discovery; he used it for towing a trailer stage. Other than the split inlet manifold (which he knew about when he bought it) it's not given him any bother. He only moved it on as he had 4 vehicles, and of the vehicles he had, it was the least practical.
Just glazing over the 3.0 crank issue?
Way to many so called mechanic's out there that don't know how to work on hi-tec motors even though they have bought diagnostic tools but think they can just muggle their way through it all but they can't
The moment I hear Range Rover / dpf in the same sentence. I’m at the throttle body 😜
He wants to get rid of that pronto. It says Gen2 on the pipe. What they've done with the gen2 TDV6 is utter madness. There's an electronic control on the oil pump that reduces oil pressure at idle to 'reduce emissions' for Euro 6. This on an engine where they've pushed the limit of the crankshaft. This owner has had multiple DPF problems, so you can guarantee oil dilution. It's a ticking time bomb. There's such a demand for rebuilt/replacement gen2 engines that they're making £8-10k on the black market. JLR can't even a delivery date for a short motor. BTW I've owned multiple LR models down the years.
Its also a problem that I'm starting to see on VAG group current gen v6 tdi's as well. They use the same stunt to get through Euro 6 and what happens with them is massive premature valve train wear to the extent thathe cams, chains, sprockets and variable timing gear becomes junk at relatively low miles.
@@anthonycollingridge970Crazy stuff. That VAG V6 diesel was once a good robust unit.
Who actually makes the throttle body shown in the video?
Is that a full plastic thottle body? never seen that before... 😂
NO substitute for experience..........
Yes Jimmy, I said sticking flapper soon as you said regular viewers will know what the problem most likely is.
Didn't your tester show you the sensor was blocked? Was the throttle body really broken? I can see why the customer didn't want to buy a new one.
There is no way all the people spending £6K to £12K on this repair went to a main dealership. They have been going to backstreet garages who think a fault code reader tells them what to change. You still need to know how the engines work as a fault code shows a condition. It just gives a clue.
tools won't tell you sensor is blocked as the car computers can't check that lol, they can tell you if its underboosting or overboosting or expected pressure hasn't been met but that's about it - which is exactly what the fault would be in that Range Rover, with the throttle body blocked you would get overboosting codes
Why on earth wouldn't you look at the least intrusive thing first. Took 2 seconds to remove the clip and inspect. If it sticks shut, boost is high! Carbon clean or replace with new. Tbh the turbo was probably leaking oil and mixed with the egr carbon and caused this to stick. Its makes a right mess. Vws are bad for the throttle sticking due to carbon. No idea why you would try file that throttle, that's just odd.
If you can afford a Range Rover, you can afford the repair bills lol
Nothing wrong with my jag 2.0 R.sport well until the adblue fuel quality light came on , so i looked at the injector is clean , so i regen the dpf now its ok or is it temporary?
Nice one Jimmy I’ve got a lady with a 2012 sport who just contacted me here in France her local garage don’t know what’s wrong and Range Rover don’t want to look at it as it’s a uk vehicle 😮 po488 code so wish me luck 🍀
Take off the pipe running between the air filter and the engine. There is an electrically operated butterfly valve there. Check for soot that prevent its operation.
That MAP sensor has never been cleaned. Never. Nothing wrong with the car except the owner who doesn't look after it.
Great job from you as always. What the price of you diagnostic tool X-431 euro tab III? Thanks.
£5995 from www.launchtech.co.uk
All new cars are rubbish and not built to last more then the warranty given. Everything is plastic so how can they last with the heat cycles etc ? It's the emissions that's killing them.
Could a turbo fault in the history like was on this range rover, with the actual fault being a faulty throttle body and sensor, occur on a 70 reg Fiat talento van ?
I find LR RR have to be worked hard and not just doing town driving.
True of anything that's got a DPF, to be fair.
Those jag/land rover vehicles are just utter shite now. My favourite is probably the Ingenium engine in the discovery sport. Prone to timing chain failure, but to change the chain you have to pretty much take the car apart as it lives on the flywheel end of the engine! Of course if you're already in there you might as well do a clutch. Even if you're doing it for yourself it soon becomes an expensive undertaking!! Designed to fail for sure.
a bit like the 2.0 BMW engine
Wish tool do you use?
LAUNCH UK EURO TAB 3
The ultimate solution fot that peugeot is to turn off add blue and block off dpf ,fundamentally the peugeot diesel is a good engine remember ,the 309, 504, diesel from the 80s ,
It's this also a Renault engine 😝
Nothing wrong with SH Parts
its made out of plastic what could go wrong
Well done Jimmy: great job...and shame on the monkeys who couldn't diagnose the true nature of the fault but ripped-off the owner. Another damning indictment of the general level of competence of your common or garden parts swappers.
Landrover dealers are thick as fuck when it comes to there own cars on diagnostics. And still can’t fix it and people put trust in them. We have a car at work that comes up with dpf fault but probably says other faults and limp mode. Landrover changed the turbo and a few weeks later same fault came back. Car has done 150000m discovery sport 2.0l 2015. I wounder if that has the same problem as that
Toyota s are geart but they have there own problems to landrover
Amazing if the customer only looks at some of your previous videos he would see your going to be right on the issue, I guess your not a main steeler so not trustworthy lol
Hey Jimmy, can you please put a list of the Range Rovers you like and list you don't like below with the engine sizes you like most and years.
This list would be fanatic to know to pass on to others so they don't get stuck with a problem. Thank you brother.
P.S. Please be nice with the list because my mate is the manager and I sold him my pet monkey so we need to keep them in business and we can all as a team force them to improve next models and discontinue the crap engines like the 3L for people that don't pull with them and just want them for show giving people honest advice.
Also I don't see many range rover evoque in your videos, can we also have a rundown on them as many young people want them, and I can see why as I like them myself. Ha ha ha.
It there anybody here with RR/Jaguar 3.0D V6 engine and knows what is normal milage between active DPF regens? Regardless of driving style (city driving or highway only) I get from 100km to 200km max between regens. Is that normal with this engines? Or should it be more liked 500-800km?
What about crankshaft failure? Just look at LRtime or more recently Barum Engines to see what a disaster this engine is.
must be a mug buying one of these rubbish cars 89k and had all them faults rubbish
Hope you charged him for the throttle body, tight git not believing you 🤡
Don't keep saying "I believe". It sounds like you have lied about something.
Get the information or check facts first.
If you are not sure or haven't checked something, say so, no one is bothered!!!
Give it a rest. It's just his turn of phrase.
Just guessing beforehand throttle body sticking , can't wait to see if I'm right or wrong.