Well things were a bit different back then. Both Toro Rosso and Red Bull were designed by Newey, but difference was that Toro Rosso had Ferrari engine which made it one of the faster cars in a straight line. At Monza 2008 qualification they got P1 and P4.
Barrichello from Ferrari to Honda could be an honourable mention. A lot better driver than what Sato was and gave Honda some very valuable experience from a championship winning team.
@@1greenMitsi On his day a very good driver. Excactly the one that Honda needed. And was an important part of Brawn gp’s manufacturers title. Sato was horrible in 2005.
@@TheLeewi98 spent half of his career in the best car on the grid, nowhere near Schumacher, 2009 goolden opportunity all he had to do was beat button to be champion but couldnt even beat him
@@1greenMitsi What is your point? I never said he was a champion or even close to being one? There are good drivers that will never be champions. Even in todays grid drivers like Bottas or Ricciardo who are very good with multiple race wins but they will never win a championship. Barrichello was important for Honda and Brawn gp. I think you underestimate the talent of Rubinho.
@@TheLeewi98 lol ricciardo? Ricciardo aspires to be a champion, thats why he left RB. Bet max at redbull so I dunno why you are so confident about him, Bottas agree I underestimate the talent of rubinho? Nah i just say it how it is, im not speculating like you are
I’m always astounded by how early these contracts were signed in the early 2000s. Makes today’s teams seem unprofessional by how close they cut things now.
I'm thinking that while there was for sure some political string pulling in the 2000s, it was nowhere near under as polarizing or under as much scrutiny as it is now (Especially when you consider Social media was not even remotely a influencial force that it is today).
In light of Button’s failed move back to Williams, I’d suggest doing a top 10 potential driver moves that didn’t happen ! Imagine if Alesi and/or Senna got signed to Williams over Mansell !
The 90's had some pretty major moves Prost, senna and mansell, villeneuve to williams Schumacher to ferrari Hill to arrows Piquet and schumacher to benetton
Incredibly nobody has mentioned Mark Webber so far! He made a few moves in the 2000s but his move from Williams to Red Bull was the most significant, as he and Coulthard together matured the Red Bull team, and their efforts plus that of Newry and Horner made the team ready for championship when Vettel joined.
I think that depends how high the driver's stock already was. Webber did score points on debut in a Minardi, but always seemed plagued by bad luck when it came to team moves - first to Jaguar, then to a post-BMW shell of Williams. That will have inevitably played against people's expectations of Webber prior to claiming his first win in a Red Bull. I think that's a similar reason as to why we sadly didn't see one of the highly successful teams of the 2000s snap up Nick Heidfeld. He likely would have achieved far greater things in machinery like the R25 or MP4-17.
Hes my favourite british driver of all time honestly, i wish he stayed at brawn turning into merc and won more, he was more than capable of winning more titles
I think 2010s might be an interesting idea since 2020s would be a while away and F1 is starting to have much longer contracts than year to year like the old days where drivers were pushed to prove they still had their time in F1 or were better than getting a rookie in F2 possible F3 assuming they had the points to race in F1
My top 10 would be: 10- Massa: Sauber - Ferrari (06) 9- Button: Renault - BAR Honda (03) 8- Fisichella: Renault - Force India (08) 7- Trulli: Renault - Toyota (05) 6- Raikkonen: McLaren - Ferrari (07) 5- Hamilton: McLaren (07) 4- Alonso: Minardi - Renault (03) 3- Montoya: Williams (01) 2- Alonso: Renault - McLaren - Renault (07/08) 1- Vettel: Toro Rosso - Red Bull (09)
@@gioprox5207 Yeah but while significant, it didn't last and little of fruition came out of it compared to Vettel winning four world titles which I would argue it far more important. It obviously wasn't as high profile as the Alonso announcement as Red Bull were shit upon the announcement but in terms of lasting repercussions, it was far bigger
Montoya was definitely champion potential! I remember watching him and thinking OMFG what even is this guy? Some podgy South yank absolutely smashing it in a car that most days had no business in being at the front (though those beemer engines were infuckingsane)
2005 December was crazy. Alonso to McLaren, and Räikkönen signed with Ferrari. 3 months before Felipe Massa made his debut in Ferrari. Räikkönen deal was not announced until Monza GP 2006, but half of the paddock knew about the deal months before Monza.
Raikkonen came close to winning the championship at McLaren, signs for Ferrari in 2007 and wins the championship by beating BOTH McLaren drivers. Ron Dennis must have been fuming after that.
Seb Vettel. Won two teams their debut wins. I wonder if anyone else from 1950 onwards either matches or beats that... Ironically I feel Seb himself would know given his knowledge 😄😄
As Vettel made his F1 debut with BMW, I would include his move to Toro Rosso on the list. After 1 race with BMW under his belt where he replaced the resting (in doctors orders) Robert Kubica at Indy, Vettel was called upon to be the long term replacement for Scott Speed at Toro Rosso from Hungary onwards. At the previous race, after aquaplaning in the torrential rain at the start of the European Grand Prix at Nurburgring, team boss Franz Tost allegedly greeted Speed on his return to the pits with a knuckle sandwich. Fed up with how he was treated, Speed walked away. This turn of events was significant, although people didn't know it at the time. Qualifying 20th, just over a second slower than team mate Tonio Liuzzi, and finishing 16th, it was a low key start from a driver driving a Red Bull backed car for the first time. A year later, he took the Faenza team their first win (some of whom had been there since Minardi days) and as mentioned, a year afterwards joined Red Bull Racing and took them to 4 titles in 6 seasons
Schumacher usually get's a lot of credit for building the Mercedes team up and stepping aside just before they started winning. It's strange Coulthard doesn't get the same credit for building up Red Bull and bringing in Adrian Newey.
im not a hamilton fan but the most decisive move is Hamilton to Mercedes GP as he won 6 wdc with this team. if he wouldve stayed with mclaren he wouldve left F1 by the end of 2016
I think THE RACE should do the 1990's next. Hill going to Arrows from Williams after winning the title still amazes me. Nobody can tell me that Frentzen was a better driver than Damon Hill. Frentzen shouldn't even have been close to a Williams drive. Barrichello was better than Frentzen even back in 1996.
I know about the usual fortune making companies, they are the same in F1; they deal with contracts and look for profite: even a legend like Michael Schumacher has been chomped by Montezemolo and Ferrari for Raikkonen (started back in 2004/2005), same happened to Vettel lately (2019) at Ferrari ... McLaren (Civil war drivers, Spygate) and other teams, such as Renault (Crashgate my multi-million-pig Briatore), Red Bull and the sister team (Helmut "burn my carreer" Marko), Mercedes (favoritism to Lewis, I need 50 mill, a share and "Bono my Valttery is gone") This is how all teams treat their drivers and many drivers "their" team, they all don't care about anyone, they just care about the figures, if in the end the deal was worth it ... Both parties end to be humble and sportsman when it comes down to the money ...
McLaren's luck: Signed Kimi at a time when Ferrari was winning everything. Signed Montoya who failed to match his previous results. Then they signed Alonso not knowing he can't handle an overly-ambitious young driver.
In a way Mclaren deserved that. The team wasnt run that great in the 2000’s and missed some championships. Also lost Newey by not treating him well enough.
If mid-season changes count, then the 2010s would be a good one. Hamilton to Mercedes, Max's mid-season promotion over The Torpedo, Seb jumping to Ferrari, Alonso's return to McLaren only to fight Honda engine reliability more often than other drivers (and an Indy 500 bid that saw his substitute driver punt Pascal Wehrlein onto his side at Monaco), and Leclerc to Ferrari after one year at Sauber come to mind
There's only one greatest move that matter and its the that produced the best the current records holder, Sir Lewis Hamilton. If you disagree you can go argue with your ancestors ❗❗
Here's the best of 2010s 1. Hamilton McLaren -> Mercedes 2. Rosberg Williams -> Mercedes 3. Vettel Red Bull -> Ferrari 4. Verstappen Toro Rosso -> Red Bull 5. Alonso Renault -> Ferrari 6. Button Brawn GP -> McLaren 7. Raikkonen Lotus -> Ferrari 8. Grosjean Lotus -> Haas 9. Alonso Ferrari -> McLaren 10. Massa Ferrari -> Williams
@@mrp8008 There's just so many important driver transfers from the 2010's. I also could have included Bottas to Mercedes as well. OH NO I JUST REALISED I FORGOT MALDONADO TO LOTUS!!!
Red Bull's Masterplan™: Let's hire Coulthard to hire Adrian Newey
Lasted 18 years
Seb won for Toro Rosso before Red Bull even got their first win!!
He also got red bulls first win in China 2009.
Both were in torrential rain aswell!
Well things were a bit different back then. Both Toro Rosso and Red Bull were designed by Newey, but difference was that Toro Rosso had Ferrari engine which made it one of the faster cars in a straight line. At Monza 2008 qualification they got P1 and P4.
@@hoya1178 it was more that neweys chassis was best in the rain look at japan that year or the year before
@Scom Tott skill
@Scom Tott Bourdais sucked. Simple Answer.
Barrichello from Ferrari to Honda could be an honourable mention. A lot better driver than what Sato was and gave Honda some very valuable experience from a championship winning team.
barrichello was average, good number 2
@@1greenMitsi On his day a very good driver. Excactly the one that Honda needed. And was an important part of Brawn gp’s manufacturers title. Sato was horrible in 2005.
@@TheLeewi98 spent half of his career in the best car on the grid, nowhere near Schumacher, 2009 goolden opportunity all he had to do was beat button to be champion but couldnt even beat him
@@1greenMitsi What is your point? I never said he was a champion or even close to being one? There are good drivers that will never be champions. Even in todays grid drivers like Bottas or Ricciardo who are very good with multiple race wins but they will never win a championship. Barrichello was important for Honda and Brawn gp. I think you underestimate the talent of Rubinho.
@@TheLeewi98 lol ricciardo? Ricciardo aspires to be a champion, thats why he left RB. Bet max at redbull so I dunno why you are so confident about him, Bottas agree
I underestimate the talent of rubinho? Nah i just say it how it is, im not speculating like you are
I’m always astounded by how early these contracts were signed in the early 2000s. Makes today’s teams seem unprofessional by how close they cut things now.
I'm thinking that while there was for sure some political string pulling in the 2000s, it was nowhere near under as polarizing or under as much scrutiny as it is now (Especially when you consider Social media was not even remotely a influencial force that it is today).
Seb with the beanie and skater hair is peak 2000s
The most 2009 thing ever
The cars of the 2000s were the sexiest of all time.
2008 most of all. Damn, but the McLaren and BMW Sauber look good.
imagine those with slicks. The Ferrari driven by Mick and the Renault by Fernando looked even more gorgeous than in 2004/05
And that's a fact
In light of Button’s failed move back to Williams, I’d suggest doing a top 10 potential driver moves that didn’t happen !
Imagine if Alesi and/or Senna got signed to Williams over Mansell !
The 90's had some pretty major moves
Prost, senna and mansell, villeneuve to williams
Schumacher to ferrari
Hill to arrows
Piquet and schumacher to benetton
They are not inlcuding the arrival of rookies, so Villeneuve's debut at Williams wouldn't be included, maybe his move to BAR for 1999.
Incredibly nobody has mentioned Mark Webber so far! He made a few moves in the 2000s but his move from Williams to Red Bull was the most significant, as he and Coulthard together matured the Red Bull team, and their efforts plus that of Newry and Horner made the team ready for championship when Vettel joined.
similar to micheal and nico for hamilton
I think that depends how high the driver's stock already was. Webber did score points on debut in a Minardi, but always seemed plagued by bad luck when it came to team moves - first to Jaguar, then to a post-BMW shell of Williams. That will have inevitably played against people's expectations of Webber prior to claiming his first win in a Red Bull.
I think that's a similar reason as to why we sadly didn't see one of the highly successful teams of the 2000s snap up Nick Heidfeld. He likely would have achieved far greater things in machinery like the R25 or MP4-17.
I'd argue that Kimi's move to Ferrari to eventually replace MSC was a bigger move than Alonso's.
if the ferrari was a little bit better alonso could have been a 2 time ferrari champion.
But this video didn't discuss Alonso's move to Ferrari 😂
does Button from Brawn to Mclaren still counts ? , deal was done at the end of 2009 ;)
If Irvine to Jaguar counts because it was for 2000 then unfortunately Button to McLaren does not
Hes my favourite british driver of all time honestly, i wish he stayed at brawn turning into merc and won more, he was more than capable of winning more titles
Brawn was leaving at the end of the season
@@ethansmith1812 tell us you know nothing without telling us you know nothing
@Privacy Is Everything yeah button beat alonso 🤣🤣🤣
Glenn Freeman's Top-10 lists. The main reason why I even follow this channel
You could put Seb twice on this list if you include his move from BMW to Toro Rosso
MasterBlan
I think 2010s might be an interesting idea since 2020s would be a while away and F1 is starting to have much longer contracts than year to year like the old days where drivers were pushed to prove they still had their time in F1 or were better than getting a rookie in F2 possible F3 assuming they had the points to race in F1
Again, many of these could be part of the Briatore Bunch! He's so good with people, isn't he? 😅
Nelson Piquet Jnr. would disagree...
@@GeriatricFan1963 and Johnny Herbert, Jos Verstappen, the FIA...
Vettel is just epic, what a career, if he can win one last WC with AM, its the most epic career
My top 10 would be:
10- Massa: Sauber - Ferrari (06)
9- Button: Renault - BAR Honda (03)
8- Fisichella: Renault - Force India (08)
7- Trulli: Renault - Toyota (05)
6- Raikkonen: McLaren - Ferrari (07)
5- Hamilton: McLaren (07)
4- Alonso: Minardi - Renault (03)
3- Montoya: Williams (01)
2- Alonso: Renault - McLaren - Renault (07/08)
1- Vettel: Toro Rosso - Red Bull (09)
Yeah i think your number one pick had the biggest long term impact
Nah alonso to mclaren was the biggest move in the 2000's. It was a huge deal for absolutely everyone
@@gioprox5207 Yeah but while significant, it didn't last and little of fruition came out of it compared to Vettel winning four world titles which I would argue it far more important. It obviously wasn't as high profile as the Alonso announcement as Red Bull were shit upon the announcement but in terms of lasting repercussions, it was far bigger
erm, Kubicas move to Renault happened for 2010.
@@FCB001 Oh, thanks for pointing it out
Montoya was definitely champion potential! I remember watching him and thinking OMFG what even is this guy? Some podgy South yank absolutely smashing it in a car that most days had no business in being at the front (though those beemer engines were infuckingsane)
Another big move to me was Webber from Williams to RB
The last time I was this early, Alonso was still at Minardi!
Was there already YT?
@@thesunnynationgYeah UA-cam was 2005.
Alonso won the championship in '05 and '06 with Renault. He left Minardi '02 for Benetton after his rookie season.
2005 December was crazy.
Alonso to McLaren, and Räikkönen signed with Ferrari.
3 months before Felipe Massa made his debut in Ferrari.
Räikkönen deal was not announced until Monza GP 2006, but half of the paddock knew about the deal months before Monza.
It's overused a lot in the F1 community but the fact is, Kimi Räikkönen , is in fact a legend
I know they weren’t very good at all, but I’ll be damned if the Jaguar cars don’t look smooth as hell
Raikkonen came close to winning the championship at McLaren, signs for Ferrari in 2007 and wins the championship by beating BOTH McLaren drivers. Ron Dennis must have been fuming after that.
From Good to Backmarkers
Glock • Virgin
Trulli & Kovalainen • Lotus
😅😂
I guess they didn't have much choice since their older teams (Toyota, McLaren) either didn't exist or didn't want them anymore...
Bottas - Alfa
If you ever do 2010’s, y’all know that #1 is gonna be Lewis to Mercedes
And Max to RB from TR!
@@y_fam_goeglyd you spelled wrongful demotion of Danill Kvyat wrong, but yes you are correct
@@y_fam_goeglyd won't be number 1 but will be in the top 5
No specific order, LH from McLaren to Merc
MV from TR to RB
SV from RB to Ferrari
@@johndaniels4623 In that case, the original comment spelled "getting lucky as a second choice to Vettel" wrong
This should definitely be a series
Some stunning looking cars in here 😍 90s next please
Seb Vettel. Won two teams their debut wins. I wonder if anyone else from 1950 onwards either matches or beats that... Ironically I feel Seb himself would know given his knowledge 😄😄
Found one! Dan Guerney the American, winning both Eagle's and Porsche's first wins :) :)
Mark Webber to Red Bull I would have thought would get a mention
As Vettel made his F1 debut with BMW, I would include his move to Toro Rosso on the list.
After 1 race with BMW under his belt where he replaced the resting (in doctors orders) Robert Kubica at Indy, Vettel was called upon to be the long term replacement for Scott Speed at Toro Rosso from Hungary onwards. At the previous race, after aquaplaning in the torrential rain at the start of the European Grand Prix at Nurburgring, team boss Franz Tost allegedly greeted Speed on his return to the pits with a knuckle sandwich. Fed up with how he was treated, Speed walked away.
This turn of events was significant, although people didn't know it at the time. Qualifying 20th, just over a second slower than team mate Tonio Liuzzi, and finishing 16th, it was a low key start from a driver driving a Red Bull backed car for the first time. A year later, he took the Faenza team their first win (some of whom had been there since Minardi days) and as mentioned, a year afterwards joined Red Bull Racing and took them to 4 titles in 6 seasons
Should do the 90s next
The 10 biggest f1 driver moves of the 2010's
Number 1 would without a question be Hamiltons.
1- Kvyat to Toro Rosso
1- hamilton to merc
2- Alonso to mclaren or Vettel to Ferrari
3- Charles to Ferrari
Schumacher usually get's a lot of credit for building the Mercedes team up and stepping aside just before they started winning. It's strange Coulthard doesn't get the same credit for building up Red Bull and bringing in Adrian Newey.
Wow an F1 video without Lu Lu! Didn't think it was possible.
Alonso back to mclaren the biggest shock in 2015 shock of the next decade
This list could be life with 90s, 80s, etc.
Seb in a beanie looks like every Australian snowboarder in the X games.
it's not technically in the aughts but Villeneuve at BAR (1999) is definitely the funniest
do 2010's, would be interesting to see
It would have been nice to hear about the salary before and after said moves
Definitely do the 90s next
im not a hamilton fan but the most decisive move is Hamilton to Mercedes GP as he won 6 wdc with this team. if he wouldve stayed with mclaren he wouldve left F1 by the end of 2016
can you pls make an impartial video about the 2007 season for Mclaren
Button to McLaren was a very surprising move.
defiantly do the 2010s next please
Was hoping for some spectacular take overs…
Jenson was far from happy at Renault, him and Flávio despised each other
Not really. Literally a few days ago,Alonso posted a photo of him and Briatore having lunch
@@tobias03coimbra52 ummm… you’re right but you’re wrong. Please re read the original comment 🙃
does flavio hate everyone except alonso
Do detail video about the BrawnGP fairytale
clicked this video thinking I was gonna see the best overtakes or defenses of the 2000s
WE WANT THE $100 MILLION MCLAREN FINE SAGA.
Kimi has the best career choices.
You can make a video of most unlucky moves in 2000-2010
90's next please
I think THE RACE should do the 1990's next. Hill going to Arrows from Williams after winning the title still amazes me. Nobody can tell me that Frentzen was a better driver than Damon Hill. Frentzen shouldn't even have been close to a Williams drive. Barrichello was better than Frentzen even back in 1996.
And the transfer, which unfortunately did not take place: Kubica from Renault to Ferrari in 2012.
I looking justin bieber. On clip 😂😂
I know about the usual fortune making companies, they are the same in F1; they deal with contracts and look for profite: even a legend like Michael Schumacher has been chomped by Montezemolo and Ferrari for Raikkonen (started back in 2004/2005), same happened to Vettel lately (2019) at Ferrari ... McLaren (Civil war drivers, Spygate) and other teams, such as Renault (Crashgate my multi-million-pig Briatore), Red Bull and the sister team (Helmut "burn my carreer" Marko), Mercedes (favoritism to Lewis, I need 50 mill, a share and "Bono my Valttery is gone") This is how all teams treat their drivers and many drivers "their" team, they all don't care about anyone, they just care about the figures, if in the end the deal was worth it ... Both parties end to be humble and sportsman when it comes down to the money ...
We all know the #1 driver move - LUCA BADOER to Ferrari
Barrichello Ferrari to Honda 2006 , Heidfeld Jordan to Williams 2005
Yamamoto from Super Aguri to Spyker??
Think you should have included Vettel to Ferrar from Red Bull instead of Vettel from Toro Rosso to Red Bull
LEWIS HAMILTON TO FERRARI!!!! HERE WE GO
Ah yes the Trulli train
Is this music the same as what LegitStreetCars uses on his YT channel?
Biggest F1 driver stays of the 21st century:
Max at Red Bull
Max at Red Bull
Max at Red Bull
Max at Red Bull
Max at Red Bull
Max at Red Bull
etc. etc.
Perez to McLaren was a story...
Perez to force india was a story
Perez to Redbull was even a bigger story 🙄
Perez did amazing at sauber and force India racing point
none of them are in the 00s
You should listed kimi from mclaren to ferrari
They did!
I’m new to f1 do why Fernando left and went back to his old team
Jacques Villeneuve to BMW Sauber. As this will please the narrator, Mr Freeman.
he moved to sauber... before they became BMW...
what about vettel from toro rosso to red bull?
do 80s next
Heidfeld would moved to McLaren Mercedes in 2002, 2005, 2007 and 2008.
Alonso - Renault to Ferrari. Thats the biggest
Why did I come into this video expecting overtakes and racing
All this F1 content, but why is there so little about Barichello these days? he was a true wingman back then to michael
That's like remembering Bottas' wingman role to Hamilton in 15 years.
McLaren's luck: Signed Kimi at a time when Ferrari was winning everything. Signed Montoya who failed to match his previous results. Then they signed Alonso not knowing he can't handle an overly-ambitious young driver.
In a way Mclaren deserved that. The team wasnt run that great in the 2000’s and missed some championships. Also lost Newey by not treating him well enough.
Villeneuve, from sofa to Renault.
If mid-season changes count, then the 2010s would be a good one. Hamilton to Mercedes, Max's mid-season promotion over The Torpedo, Seb jumping to Ferrari, Alonso's return to McLaren only to fight Honda engine reliability more often than other drivers (and an Indy 500 bid that saw his substitute driver punt Pascal Wehrlein onto his side at Monaco), and Leclerc to Ferrari after one year at Sauber come to mind
2010 to 2019
Biggest mistake by Alonso- his move to McLaren
You talking about 2000´s or 2010´s? lmao poor Alo, first gets pushed aside for a young Brit then he gets a GP2 engine.
@@CC8sX06 I'm talking about the 2010s. Beside Hamilton and all that scandal and stuff
nice
4th should be 3rd and 3rd should be 2nd
You know there is nothing happening when stuff like this gets published
Schumi from benetton to ferrari.
That wasn't in the 2000s or was it?
Kimi!!!!
tbh no one liked to drive at Renault except for Alonso
Wasn't Lewis and Schumacher to Mercedes 2009?
Who the hell is this Edmund Irvine?
Fernando to Mclaren & then back to Renault.
Anybody here after Ferrari just confirmed signing Lewis Hamilton for 2025~? No? Just me? Ok then.
Missing Verstappen in this list
Kimi deserves 1st.
What decade should you do next? All of them.
Flavio Briatore sacked Trulli for that atrocious man-bun, and I would have done the same !
There's only one greatest move that matter and its the that produced the best the current records holder, Sir Lewis Hamilton. If you disagree you can go argue with your ancestors ❗❗
Except it happened in the 2010s
@@Jtngetabettername did you read my statement to understand or to reply?
@@rocky27993 Reply, but I don't know if I can defend it anymore, 'Move that matters' doesn't need to be confined by a time period
@@Jtngetabettername thank you
Here's the best of 2010s
1. Hamilton McLaren -> Mercedes
2. Rosberg Williams -> Mercedes
3. Vettel Red Bull -> Ferrari
4. Verstappen Toro Rosso -> Red Bull
5. Alonso Renault -> Ferrari
6. Button Brawn GP -> McLaren
7. Raikkonen Lotus -> Ferrari
8. Grosjean Lotus -> Haas
9. Alonso Ferrari -> McLaren
10. Massa Ferrari -> Williams
@@mrp8008 There's just so many important driver transfers from the 2010's. I also could have included Bottas to Mercedes as well. OH NO I JUST REALISED I FORGOT MALDONADO TO LOTUS!!!
Ide out of F1
Massa to me will always be on the list of pretenders and not contenders, like Bottas he was meant to be a support driver, not THE driver.
diference is massa was so so close to being champion