Hey, it'a small world and everything. I was on the small team that helped Sergio for the original GPL track back in 2004, mostly doing textures on the left side of the track and the AI. I went by "Rocket 3" in the credits. It's really spooky after 16 years to see the track still being raced.
@@marv6424 Drop me your email I've got a few things I've been working on: mostly a Lotus Eleven mod with 11 skins. How about you? Any modding? I remember you did a particularly good skin for the Honda in GPL.
@@FunAllDayLong4353 Hi, I've noticed that rfactorcentral and drivingitalia has removed thousands of mods of cars and tracks. That's extremely disappointing because i am a young sim gamer that has only discovered the hidden gem of rfactor. Can you please link me to sites where I can download track packs? Thank you very much for your kind response.
Excellent video. Minor note on Giuseppe Farina , he was the first world champion of the then new Formula 1 in 1950. Of note the Alfetta 158 he drove to victory in the 1940 Tripoli race was the same type of vehicle he drove to victory for the 1950 F1 world championship.
Technically it is the same model, but the 158 had undergone a lot of mods from its original guise in 1938 to when it appeared at Silverstone for the inaugural Formula One World Championship. And its evolution isn't over yet, with Alfa Romeo churning out the 159 at the 1950 Italian GP, which later morphed into the 159 "M" at the next year's Italian GP. I had some knowledge about it because at the moment, I'm talking to someone who is currently making the 1951 F1 World Championship mod for rFactor... about the secret and confusing world of the 159 "Alfetta"... I'm trying to help research anything of note on the cars...
@@jcgabriel1569 To split hairs even further, the inaugural race of the FIA Formula 1 Championship was in 1981. Before that it was the FIA World Championship for Drivers (1950-80).
@@jcgabriel1569 indeed, the Alfetta has an amazing story behind it. I am very interested in the 1951 Rfactor Mod. A book called 'Classic Racing Engines' by Karl Ludvigsen has a chapter dedicated to the Alfetta 158/9 engine with highly detailed description and history. If you can find it, that may help in your search for data.
@@danielsquillace5291 I have just read the book Alfetta by Ed Mcdonough, well, just the last chapters that talks about the 1951 season, which is the season we needed to research for the mod. What it actually confirmed is the fact that the specifications of the individual 159s as used during the season varied, with differences to the bodywork, fuel tanks, and there's even one with the De Dion rear axle. And this is before the definitive 159 "M" came out for the Italian GP. But what their specifications are exactly is very hard to know, and unlike in other teams, the drivers don't have a steady "mount", that is, a particular car they preferred to use for most, if not the whole, season (which could've made things slightly easier). The drivers and the team itself tend to change the allotment of the cars even at the last moment. And then, there's the secrecy. Alfa Corse is always secretive about the cars' real specifications back in those days. Probably one main reason why they never put them up for sale in period is to prevent others from knowing their secrets. And the ever-improving performance of Ferrari's 375 made things in this area of research even worse, since they started to get even more secretive, they didn't want to give anything of use away that would allow Ferrari to make appropriate countermeasures. There were even rumours, that serve to mislead the opposition even further... For example, the cars that debuted at the 1951 Italian GP is called the 159 "M", the "M" stands for "Maggiorata" or "enlarged". But, apart from the more obvious changes the new car had, like the fact that all four cars had De Dion rear axle, and fatter bodywork and tail for all those auxiliary fuel tanks, we had no clear idea of what else is "enlarged" or "improved" in the cars. Maybe they did some more improvement in some more areas like the engine, but they didn't tell, because they don't want Ferrari knowing about it. Or maybe, they didn't do much else, but didn't tell it, to keep Ferrari guessing. In short, researching for the 159 Alfettas, in their final WC season, is equal parts interesting and frustrating...
@@danielsquillace5291 As for the 1951 mod, I could tell you that the Ferraris (works 375, Thin Wall, Peter Whitehead's 125), HWM, Gordini, 4CLT/48 Maserati, and Prince Bira's V12 Maserati-OSCA is more or less complete, and the Talbot Lagos and the Alfettas were getting some rework... Oh, yeah, the BRM's also finished...
Yeah it is an odd view system! I mentioned in the video that it was a highly debated ‘feature’ of this mod when it came out. There are some patches to easily remove it but I thought id leave it in for atleast one video since it is kind of fun to watch! Maybe not for the weak of stomach though
weirdest view I ever saw lol. Yea its typical for rFactor to have weird views anyway... but this tops it all lol :D... they had the first shaking cockpit like if you have a bent axel or something at high speed from the start.
Technically the track did exist. But that is a long time ago. After the war, Italy lost Libya, and motor racing never returned to the Mellaha circuit. And if I remember correctly, during the reign of Muammar Gaddafi, the little airfield situated on the inside of the tracks was greatly enlarged and turned into a military airbase, destroying several portions of the track and its facilities.
@@xfa33lupisrex52 No worries, mate. I get what you mean, not only you can make tracks that no longer exist in games such as this, but with the right amount of imagination, you can make one completely of your own doing!
I wish Jake could get his hands on these cars in real life and review them, this is an awesome channel, it's the only channel I can comment on and nerd out to motorsport history.......and everyone ACTUALLY knows what I'm talking about lol
Just wanted to say that what makes your videos so pleasant to watch is this great combination of history, sim racing and modding. I'm especially happy to see you cover older games.
The Tripoli lottery was not really a betting system but just... a lottery :). The organisers drew ticket serial numbers among those sold to the spectators on race day, assigning one spectator to each starter. The spectator would then share the eventual prize money with "his" driver. Quite a popular thing in those days. The most famous of such events was the Gran Premio Lotteria in Monza, which was held for F2, F3, F5000, Sportscars and other categories over the years and lasted until the late 1980s/early 1990s.
I'm curious to understand what's giving you so much interest for the older eras of F1. usually people (myself included) are more into the 80s/90s/00s because it's the era we were children. it's refreshing to see this and you are very good in convey your passion through your videos.
I'm not GPLaps but for me, It is because I love history, and being able to recreate those "long-forgotten" races in simulators like rFactor and Assetto Corsa is an incredible experience. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 80s and 90s (especially due to Ayrton Senna, my favorite driver) but racing things from the 30s and 20s is amazing.
Yeah, I feel the same: while the 80s-00s are my era, I definitely have an interest in history and love looking at a more complete timeline. There's a fascination of long lost lore that appeals so much. Not only that, but this kind of racing offers a completely different experience that modern racing doesn't have, it's so much more primitive and agricultural.
There are so many interesting races/events you could have on a big online race, but people seem rather obsessed with GT3 or something. I'm glad your channel pays attention to the forgotten eras of racing
Honestly, I'd think the Auto Union would be the trickiest to drive. It has less power than the Merc, but more interesting handling due to that massive V16 behind the driver. Arguably, the Alfa Romeo had the best chassis, but just lacked the ponies. There's just something about those vintage circuits of the "8-Mile Club": Tripoli Old Spa Classic Le Mans Lobethal Tre Fontane (Roma) Obviously, there aren't any ultra-slow corners here, or else the lap average for Pole in 1937 couldn't have been north of 145 mph. The 1938 race here was infamous for them trying to run the GP cars and Voiturettes together, a contributing factor in 2 fatal crashes during that race. Tires were the limiting factor here, but even then, it was usually just a 1-2-stop strategy at Tripoli. You have to remember, these cars could be carrying 80-120 gallons of dope fuel. Even after the War, at least up through 1955, cars at Le Mans carried enough onboard to do about 2.5 hours at that circuit. And when Swede Savage crashed at Indy in 1973, I think those cars could carry 75 gallons with a full load. I definitely would like to see a new rendering for this circuit. As for the cars, I wish we could get an actual Alfa Romeo 12C-37, with more power, a new chassis, and improved aero, to have something that much closer to the German cars. And though not exactly historically accurate, I wouldn't mind the Maserati 8CTF being thrown in with these cars to give something else fairly quick, and from another, different manufacturer.
Tires were pretty crucial for Tripoli, a combination of the tire technology of the time, the normally hot weather, and the speeds achieved every lap, could take a huge toll on tires, and one stop too many could cost the win. I think the 1938-39 3 litre formula is a good candidate, the engine capacity limit somehow "strangled" the Germans, and gave the others a (slight) hope in keeping up with them. Though my favourite year is the 1935 season, the last time the "old world designs" could still mix it with the cutting edge designs from Germany.
Please do the 1919 or 1909 Grand Prix seasons! Your videos are so immersive to the time periods I really do get a sense of the speed and skill it took to handle such unrefined beasts. I would love to see that bit of history especially how dangerous it was.
@@fritztm9261 would be fun to see something from that era, I think the earliest cars mods that you can have are the 1923 season that he's showed in another video
Ah, yes, the good ol' 1937 mod for rFactor. I'm technically "weaned" into racing those older cars in rFactor by that mod. But since I use a keyboard to drive it, I found myself mostly relegated to the junior "Voiturette" Formula, mostly behind the wheel of the Maserati 6CM. Sometimes I'd use the Alfa Romeo Tipo C 12C-36 for the GP class, and a little bit of the Auto Unions, but really really rare to drive the W125, because, in a keyboard, unless you hook it up to 3rd or 4th gear straight away, you'll just keep on spinning the W125 around. Probably the bravest effort I did in the W125 is to drive it up a hillclimb course, the back sliding out the moment you touch the throttle, but since the road is twisty and narrow, you don't really want that...
@@pedrocaseiro95 Great mod. Tell the guys to find another voice actor for the names, and the UI could be much much better. But i enjoy it nevertheless.
Great video, and a very interesting mod. Have to say that I absolutely hate the way the head movement is implemented though. It looks like the car is articulated, with the front wheels and engine as the tractor unit, and the cockpit and rear wheels as the trailer. The mod makes the nose of the car and the front wheels move around from the driver's perspective. What should be happening IMO is that the windscreen, instrument panel, steering wheel and cockpit sides should be moving around a lot, while the nose of the car and the front wheels stay almost static. The modder's got the right idea, but it's implemented at the wrong part of the car, way too far forward.
I requested an old Morocco track back when you asked viewers where to race. This was better. Edit: I didn't know the beach was so huge! I know where I'm going when CERN starts sharing their time travel. Definitely a rooftop vantage point for the race.
I'm disappointed there's so little footage of this track. There's some video footage of the main straight and some corners but nowhere near enough to get an overall impression of what it was like.
I'm like that with the Targa Florio. So many snippets from the regular village sections. Even some pieces of onboard....so there must be at least the majority of a lap if someone thought to put a camera in the car....
@@csykes23 There is some onboard footage. But more importantly, the course is still there and mostly the same. The entire course of Tripoli is gone, all of it.
@@StuntpilootStef true, true. I've driven round it. Not the same as seeing the old Typo 33s and PBs though on it though. I feel your pain though as a (I'm assuming) fellow motorsports history fan.
I think this was one of the tracks in the ill fated Spirit of Speed 1937 game (hard to call it a sim it was that bad….), and I found it really challenging! Great video, will see if it’s available for Asseto Corsa!
This was the atmosphere Bernie Ecclestone and F1 tried to capture when they anounced the Bahrain GP. In the end, as is the norm in the uptight era that we live in, we got another blant and boring Tilke-drome.
AFAIR Mercedes built two special cars just for this race in 1939. The Italians had restricted the engine size to 1.5 litres to keep the Germans away, but Mercedes showed them that couldn't stop their cars and built two specials just for the Tripoli race. In 1940 the race was held again. Germany was otherwise engaged so this time the Italians got the victory they craved.
1-2 finish...Lang's average speed at the end was 10-12 mph faster than the last year's, and he had to back off to avoid lapping his teammate, Caracciola!
Thing is, there's one thing that played a role in Mercedes winning. And that is, the Alfetta's cooling system... The weather on the sessions worried the Alfa Romeo team manager for that race, former Bugatti team manager Bartolomeo Constantini (former racer as well), thinking that the heat, plus the strain on a longer distance on race day might just overpressurize the Alfetta's cooling system and cause hoses to burst or something, so he ordered them to lower the cooling system pressure, which turns out to be the wrong move. All the cars suffered a bad case of overheating, and only one finished the race. Though it seems that there's actually something wrong with the cooling system of the Alfettas back then anyway...
It doesn't remotely look like the view is moving back and forth, but rather the front axle. You can tell it's a quick and dirty solution mapped to your steering input.
Nuvolari won in 1928, but the race is held on a circuit different from this one, back then it is held on the Tagiura Circuit, a relatively fast and big road circuit (around 26km). Nuvolari's best result in the Tripoli GP held in Mellaha Circuit (the ones used here) is 2nd in 1933, the first time they used this track.
During the Bathurst 12 Hour yesterday we were slammed like a brick that every one of the top 4 manufacturers were a German manufacturer. Those car built and designed in Germany are without a doubt a step above the rest even if they get over BOPd with ballast or engine power reduction.
The Best story is still how they tried to rig the race again in 1939 by Changing the rules for entry to 1.5 ltr cars in an attempt to give Italy a win . thinking both Auto union and Mercedes would not bother or have time enough to build a new car. but has we know Mercedes did such a thing two completely new cars and Mercedes first attempt at a V8 supercharged engine that could even rev up to 9000 RPM all that in 8 months , imagine that happening these days , and without the aid of computers to speed the process up. one of the most amazing feats in motorsport history.
In a way, the Italians eventually got the last laugh... I read somewhere that Mercedes Benz actually entertained the idea of racing in Formula 1 in 1951. And to that effect, they plan on making a number of new and improved versions of the W165s to take on the likes of Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, BRM, and others... They eventually abandoned it after realizing that even with all the improvements, the updated W165 won't be able to match the power output of the Alfa Romeo 159, which is practically the same car they beat at Tripoli in 1939...
Hey, I just discovered your channel and I was wondering if you have heard about the Gávea circuit in Brazil, from 1934. Maybe you should check it out, it would be a great video idea ( if there is a mod for it, of course )
Actually I'm very surprised how well the AI performed. I tried to do some rFactor 1 racing some time ago and they were completely mental. Before the end of a race they were all dead :D Although that was a 1990 F1 mod, perhaps the rFactor AI can't handle cars like that.
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Ok, I just heard your speak on the winners, there that time and Nuvolari actually seems not to have participated in Tripoli, maybe cause of like you said about the difficulty of getting there for a lot of teams, so.. But other than that, he was quite on his top that time and he won the Milan GP that year.
Nuvolari did race at Tripoli, but he's not that successful there because of some bad luck. In the 1937 race, for example, the 12C-37 Alfa Romeo is just not fast enough...
@@Villoresi Nuvolari's rather relieved when the car gave up. Even he knew that at that race, there's no way his car could win. The new W125 Mercedes and the Auto Union type C could trade punches at 200mph, his car could probably only do up to 180, in a pinch.
Also, 1937 is a pretty rotten year for Nuvolari. Not only was his car woefully uncompetitive, on the personal side, his eldest son, Giorgio, also died that year...
@@jcgabriel1569 check in with the author on the video. He has said it will be a pay mod but I'm sure it will be very reasonable. I believe he has a few tracks in the works. Well and truely worth keeping an eye on it 😀
My favorite thing is that the Italians changed the formula after the 3.0L Mercedes’ cars domination. They changed the formula to a 1.5L spec, which was more common for Italian cars at the time. “Aha! We got the Germans!” they said. Mercedes does what Mercedes does and built a 1.5L car for the race and won with it.
Yes, he did. He started racing in the early 1930s, but really got into it racing the Voiturette Formula cars (pre-war equivalent of Formula 2) in 1934.
@@ingihrannar8781 historical records, list of winners of all the races held there. Watch I'm wearing the Eberhard &co. Not him. But he owned a Eberhard &co. pocket watch, which is in the Nuvolari museum.
I.dont think you need any knowledge in psysics to understand how impossible had to be to take curves fast with that insanely huge engine carried by those bicycle tires.
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Hey, it'a small world and everything. I was on the small team that helped Sergio for the original GPL track back in 2004, mostly doing textures on the left side of the track and the AI. I went by "Rocket 3" in the credits. It's really spooky after 16 years to see the track still being raced.
Hey Peter! Mario here, hows things :), Look it still has my wonky ambulance and fire engines in there... haha.
@@marv6424 Hi Mario, long time no hear from my friend. Yes the ambulances, I'm glad you brought them up. I thought they were mine. Lol.
@@marv6424 Drop me your email I've got a few things I've been working on: mostly a Lotus Eleven mod with 11 skins. How about you? Any modding? I remember you did a particularly good skin for the Honda in GPL.
@@FunAllDayLong4353 2 friends meeting again, nice to see
@@FunAllDayLong4353 Hi, I've noticed that rfactorcentral and drivingitalia has removed thousands of mods of cars and tracks. That's extremely disappointing because i am a young sim gamer that has only discovered the hidden gem of rfactor. Can you please link me to sites where I can download track packs? Thank you very much for your kind response.
Excellent video. Minor note on Giuseppe Farina , he was the first world champion of the then new Formula 1 in 1950. Of note the Alfetta 158 he drove to victory in the 1940 Tripoli race was the same type of vehicle he drove to victory for the 1950 F1 world championship.
Technically it is the same model, but the 158 had undergone a lot of mods from its original guise in 1938 to when it appeared at Silverstone for the inaugural Formula One World Championship. And its evolution isn't over yet, with Alfa Romeo churning out the 159 at the 1950 Italian GP, which later morphed into the 159 "M" at the next year's Italian GP.
I had some knowledge about it because at the moment, I'm talking to someone who is currently making the 1951 F1 World Championship mod for rFactor... about the secret and confusing world of the 159 "Alfetta"... I'm trying to help research anything of note on the cars...
@@jcgabriel1569 To split hairs even further, the inaugural race of the FIA Formula 1 Championship was in 1981. Before that it was the FIA World Championship for Drivers (1950-80).
@@jcgabriel1569 indeed, the Alfetta has an amazing story behind it. I am very interested in the 1951 Rfactor Mod. A book called 'Classic Racing Engines' by Karl Ludvigsen has a chapter dedicated to the Alfetta 158/9 engine with highly detailed description and history. If you can find it, that may help in your search for data.
@@danielsquillace5291 I have just read the book Alfetta by Ed Mcdonough, well, just the last chapters that talks about the 1951 season, which is the season we needed to research for the mod.
What it actually confirmed is the fact that the specifications of the individual 159s as used during the season varied, with differences to the bodywork, fuel tanks, and there's even one with the De Dion rear axle. And this is before the definitive 159 "M" came out for the Italian GP.
But what their specifications are exactly is very hard to know, and unlike in other teams, the drivers don't have a steady "mount", that is, a particular car they preferred to use for most, if not the whole, season (which could've made things slightly easier). The drivers and the team itself tend to change the allotment of the cars even at the last moment.
And then, there's the secrecy. Alfa Corse is always secretive about the cars' real specifications back in those days. Probably one main reason why they never put them up for sale in period is to prevent others from knowing their secrets. And the ever-improving performance of Ferrari's 375 made things in this area of research even worse, since they started to get even more secretive, they didn't want to give anything of use away that would allow Ferrari to make appropriate countermeasures. There were even rumours, that serve to mislead the opposition even further...
For example, the cars that debuted at the 1951 Italian GP is called the 159 "M", the "M" stands for "Maggiorata" or "enlarged". But, apart from the more obvious changes the new car had, like the fact that all four cars had De Dion rear axle, and fatter bodywork and tail for all those auxiliary fuel tanks, we had no clear idea of what else is "enlarged" or "improved" in the cars. Maybe they did some more improvement in some more areas like the engine, but they didn't tell, because they don't want Ferrari knowing about it. Or maybe, they didn't do much else, but didn't tell it, to keep Ferrari guessing.
In short, researching for the 159 Alfettas, in their final WC season, is equal parts interesting and frustrating...
@@danielsquillace5291 As for the 1951 mod, I could tell you that the Ferraris (works 375, Thin Wall, Peter Whitehead's 125), HWM, Gordini, 4CLT/48 Maserati, and Prince Bira's V12 Maserati-OSCA is more or less complete, and the Talbot Lagos and the Alfettas were getting some rework... Oh, yeah, the BRM's also finished...
Looks like the front axle is sliding side to side hahaha. Never seen a game have that sort of camera view going on
I was going to say the same thing. Very disconcerting view.
I think that’s due to a high “Yaw” setting for head movement in RF1.
Yeah it is an odd view system! I mentioned in the video that it was a highly debated ‘feature’ of this mod when it came out. There are some patches to easily remove it but I thought id leave it in for atleast one video since it is kind of fun to watch! Maybe not for the weak of stomach though
@@GPLaps it's definitely a different way of playing games, not sure if I'd use it personally. Did look interesting on video though!
weirdest view I ever saw lol. Yea its typical for rFactor to have weird views anyway... but this tops it all lol :D... they had the first shaking cockpit like if you have a bent axel or something at high speed from the start.
I always think it's incredible how people can make tracks (that don't even exist) soo realistically.
Technically the track did exist. But that is a long time ago. After the war, Italy lost Libya, and motor racing never returned to the Mellaha circuit. And if I remember correctly, during the reign of Muammar Gaddafi, the little airfield situated on the inside of the tracks was greatly enlarged and turned into a military airbase, destroying several portions of the track and its facilities.
Right when I said "don't even exist" I meant as in today they don't exist sorry for the confusion
@@xfa33lupisrex52 No worries, mate. I get what you mean, not only you can make tracks that no longer exist in games such as this, but with the right amount of imagination, you can make one completely of your own doing!
Google Earth helps a lot nowadays
Giuseppe Farina won a few more Grand Prix races after the war, just in case you misspoke 😀
he is also the first F1 world champion
If history had been presented like this at school, I might have paid attention more! Once again, very well done Jake.
I wish Jake could get his hands on these cars in real life and review them, this is an awesome channel, it's the only channel I can comment on and nerd out to motorsport history.......and everyone ACTUALLY knows what I'm talking about lol
Just wanted to say that what makes your videos so pleasant to watch is this great combination of history, sim racing and modding. I'm especially happy to see you cover older games.
fun fact, the guy that won the lottery in '37 with lang's victory was from my hometown Piacenza!
The Tripoli lottery was not really a betting system but just... a lottery :). The organisers drew ticket serial numbers among those sold to the spectators on race day, assigning one spectator to each starter. The spectator would then share the eventual prize money with "his" driver. Quite a popular thing in those days. The most famous of such events was the Gran Premio Lotteria in Monza, which was held for F2, F3, F5000, Sportscars and other categories over the years and lasted until the late 1980s/early 1990s.
I'm curious to understand what's giving you so much interest for the older eras of F1. usually people (myself included) are more into the 80s/90s/00s because it's the era we were children.
it's refreshing to see this and you are very good in convey your passion through your videos.
I'm not GPLaps but for me, It is because I love history, and being able to recreate those "long-forgotten" races in simulators like rFactor and Assetto Corsa is an incredible experience. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 80s and 90s (especially due to Ayrton Senna, my favorite driver) but racing things from the 30s and 20s is amazing.
Yeah, I feel the same: while the 80s-00s are my era, I definitely have an interest in history and love looking at a more complete timeline. There's a fascination of long lost lore that appeals so much. Not only that, but this kind of racing offers a completely different experience that modern racing doesn't have, it's so much more primitive and agricultural.
Well thats a blast from the past! I worked on this track with Sergio back in the day in GPL.
Not sure I'd like driving with it, but the head movement really does add to the immersion.
There are so many interesting races/events you could have on a big online race, but people seem rather obsessed with GT3 or something. I'm glad your channel pays attention to the forgotten eras of racing
Honestly, I'd think the Auto Union would be the trickiest to drive. It has less power than the Merc, but more interesting handling due to that massive V16 behind the driver. Arguably, the Alfa Romeo had the best chassis, but just lacked the ponies.
There's just something about those vintage circuits of the "8-Mile Club":
Tripoli
Old Spa
Classic Le Mans
Lobethal
Tre Fontane (Roma)
Obviously, there aren't any ultra-slow corners here, or else the lap average for Pole in 1937 couldn't have been north of 145 mph.
The 1938 race here was infamous for them trying to run the GP cars and Voiturettes together, a contributing factor in 2 fatal crashes during that race.
Tires were the limiting factor here, but even then, it was usually just a 1-2-stop strategy at Tripoli. You have to remember, these cars could be carrying 80-120 gallons of dope fuel. Even after the War, at least up through 1955, cars at Le Mans carried enough onboard to do about 2.5 hours at that circuit. And when Swede Savage crashed at Indy in 1973, I think those cars could carry 75 gallons with a full load.
I definitely would like to see a new rendering for this circuit.
As for the cars, I wish we could get an actual Alfa Romeo 12C-37, with more power, a new chassis, and improved aero, to have something that much closer to the German cars. And though not exactly historically accurate, I wouldn't mind the Maserati 8CTF being thrown in with these cars to give something else fairly quick, and from another, different manufacturer.
Tires were pretty crucial for Tripoli, a combination of the tire technology of the time, the normally hot weather, and the speeds achieved every lap, could take a huge toll on tires, and one stop too many could cost the win.
I think the 1938-39 3 litre formula is a good candidate, the engine capacity limit somehow "strangled" the Germans, and gave the others a (slight) hope in keeping up with them. Though my favourite year is the 1935 season, the last time the "old world designs" could still mix it with the cutting edge designs from Germany.
Please do the 1919 or 1909 Grand Prix seasons! Your videos are so immersive to the time periods I really do get a sense of the speed and skill it took to handle such unrefined beasts. I would love to see that bit of history especially how dangerous it was.
Are there mods for that type of cars?
@@andre13silvi I Googled it after asked and no :(
@@fritztm9261 would be fun to see something from that era, I think the earliest cars mods that you can have are the 1923 season that he's showed in another video
Ah, yes, the good ol' 1937 mod for rFactor. I'm technically "weaned" into racing those older cars in rFactor by that mod.
But since I use a keyboard to drive it, I found myself mostly relegated to the junior "Voiturette" Formula, mostly behind the wheel of the Maserati 6CM. Sometimes I'd use the Alfa Romeo Tipo C 12C-36 for the GP class, and a little bit of the Auto Unions, but really really rare to drive the W125, because, in a keyboard, unless you hook it up to 3rd or 4th gear straight away, you'll just keep on spinning the W125 around. Probably the bravest effort I did in the W125 is to drive it up a hillclimb course, the back sliding out the moment you touch the throttle, but since the road is twisty and narrow, you don't really want that...
I was yelling "Go Jake" on the last lap. Jebus that looks like hard work.
This track is also in the F1 Challenge VB mod.
Indeed. But i guess no cars from that era?
@@Bonkikavo Nope. Only from 1950 onwards. I was a contributor to the mod. Many of my work is in there :D
@@pedrocaseiro95 Great mod. Tell the guys to find another voice actor for the names, and the UI could be much much better. But i enjoy it nevertheless.
@Josh Cassar The mod is great and i believe it will get even better :)
@@Bonkikavo The UI can't be changed but we can improve the voice! I'll let Valerio know about it
Woefully undersubbed channel. Keep up the amazing content!
I can’t wait for someone to give this a remaster for Assetto Corsa! Thanks for shining the spotlight on this cool piece of history.
I love the front moving as much as it does. It’s more genuine than a simple fixed camera
Great video, and a very interesting mod.
Have to say that I absolutely hate the way the head movement is implemented though. It looks like the car is articulated, with the front wheels and engine as the tractor unit, and the cockpit and rear wheels as the trailer.
The mod makes the nose of the car and the front wheels move around from the driver's perspective. What should be happening IMO is that the windscreen, instrument panel, steering wheel and cockpit sides should be moving around a lot, while the nose of the car and the front wheels stay almost static.
The modder's got the right idea, but it's implemented at the wrong part of the car, way too far forward.
I requested an old Morocco track back when you asked viewers where to race. This was better.
Edit: I didn't know the beach was so huge! I know where I'm going when CERN starts sharing their time travel. Definitely a rooftop vantage point for the race.
What an effort people have put on to create this sim! Great racing too!
Great stuff. I love these historical snap shots. You put together a great video package, Jake. Hungry for more :)
Another most entertaining, and educational, video. Thanks, Jake!
I'm disappointed there's so little footage of this track. There's some video footage of the main straight and some corners but nowhere near enough to get an overall impression of what it was like.
I'm like that with the Targa Florio. So many snippets from the regular village sections. Even some pieces of onboard....so there must be at least the majority of a lap if someone thought to put a camera in the car....
@@csykes23 There is some onboard footage. But more importantly, the course is still there and mostly the same. The entire course of Tripoli is gone, all of it.
@@StuntpilootStef true, true. I've driven round it. Not the same as seeing the old Typo 33s and PBs though on it though. I feel your pain though as a (I'm assuming) fellow motorsports history fan.
Thanks for these fantastic videos! I learn so much from you. 😁🏁
I didn't know this track existed for rFactor. Definitely something to have a look at.
loved this mod back in the day, it really turns a kid into a man learning to handle these cars
I always loved rFactor 1's graphic! It's not like when sim racing you can watch every detail.
absolutely love your videos mate, no one else does the old school stuff like you do love it.
Wow! Beautiful video-documentary, and most important it's on rFactor! 😍
These videos are the best!
I think this was one of the tracks in the ill fated Spirit of Speed 1937 game (hard to call it a sim it was that bad….), and I found it really challenging! Great video, will see if it’s available for Asseto Corsa!
Absolutely adore this track! 😍😍😍
Yees! So good to see a rFactor 1 video in your channel!
This was the atmosphere Bernie Ecclestone and F1 tried to capture when they anounced the Bahrain GP. In the end, as is the norm in the uptight era that we live in, we got another blant and boring Tilke-drome.
Whats today's uptightness have do with that? Im not contradicting you i just want to know
Great video mate, good job keep that thing on the road it looks fairly wild. Great sound on the car.
I think you have done something wrong with the install of the track, because normally, you see the whole town in the background; great vid by the way.
AFAIR Mercedes built two special cars just for this race in 1939. The Italians had restricted the engine size to 1.5 litres to keep the Germans away, but Mercedes showed them that couldn't stop their cars and built two specials just for the Tripoli race. In 1940 the race was held again. Germany was otherwise engaged so this time the Italians got the victory they craved.
1-2 finish...Lang's average speed at the end was 10-12 mph faster than the last year's, and
he had to back off to avoid lapping his teammate, Caracciola!
Thing is, there's one thing that played a role in Mercedes winning. And that is, the Alfetta's cooling system...
The weather on the sessions worried the Alfa Romeo team manager for that race, former Bugatti team manager Bartolomeo Constantini (former racer as well), thinking that the heat, plus the strain on a longer distance on race day might just overpressurize the Alfetta's cooling system and cause hoses to burst or something, so he ordered them to lower the cooling system pressure, which turns out to be the wrong move.
All the cars suffered a bad case of overheating, and only one finished the race. Though it seems that there's actually something wrong with the cooling system of the Alfettas back then anyway...
GP 1937 (and WCORR) are the main reason I had left rF1 installed for as long I have.
Racing through the desert dunes is (ironically) really cool.
Riverside and Stardust really were quite good circuits, and Willow Springs is a real classic as well, despite not being so well known.
Fantastic! I'd like to know how the track modder got those vintage ads placed above the pit buildings.
So cool and kind of educational stuff on these vids :) good stuff
Looks way better than the version I remember from Spirit of Speed
It doesn't remotely look like the view is moving back and forth, but rather the front axle. You can tell it's a quick and dirty solution mapped to your steering input.
I think Tazio Nuvolari had some of his great wins over there in Tripoli about that time, didn't he? (I have still to watch the video, though 😉)
Nuvolari won in 1928, but the race is held on a circuit different from this one, back then it is held on the Tagiura Circuit, a relatively fast and big road circuit (around 26km). Nuvolari's best result in the Tripoli GP held in Mellaha Circuit (the ones used here) is 2nd in 1933, the first time they used this track.
haha I talk to you, then imediately youtube shows me that you uploaded this video an hour ago XD
During the Bathurst 12 Hour yesterday we were slammed like a brick that every one of the top 4 manufacturers were a German manufacturer. Those car built and designed in Germany are without a doubt a step above the rest even if they get over BOPd with ballast or engine power reduction.
I know Tripoli as something Elton John said in "Saturday Night's Alright (For Fighting)".
I'm fairly certain Tripoli does not appear in that song's lyrics.
Great sim , Id definately be in a Auto Union, they have both models i see 👍
Are there any modern sims which recreate this era?
The Best story is still how they tried to rig the race again in 1939 by Changing the rules for entry to 1.5 ltr cars in an attempt to give Italy a win . thinking both Auto union and Mercedes would not bother or have time enough to build a new car. but has we know Mercedes did such a thing two completely new cars and Mercedes first attempt at a V8 supercharged engine that could even rev up to 9000 RPM all that in 8 months , imagine that happening these days , and without the aid of computers to speed the process up. one of the most amazing feats in motorsport history.
In a way, the Italians eventually got the last laugh...
I read somewhere that Mercedes Benz actually entertained the idea of racing in Formula 1 in 1951. And to that effect, they plan on making a number of new and improved versions of the W165s to take on the likes of Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, BRM, and others...
They eventually abandoned it after realizing that even with all the improvements, the updated W165 won't be able to match the power output of the Alfa Romeo 159, which is practically the same car they beat at Tripoli in 1939...
If you use look ahead, it makes you feel like you're falling out the car when you're trying to corner
Tripoli, Carthage and later Morocco. Imagine the fun they got up to racing in colonial Africa... brilliant.
I'm still looking for a Marmon Wasp mod.
Hey, I just discovered your channel and I was wondering if you have heard about the Gávea circuit in Brazil, from 1934. Maybe you should check it out, it would be a great video idea ( if there is a mod for it, of course )
Actually I'm very surprised how well the AI performed. I tried to do some rFactor 1 racing some time ago and they were completely mental. Before the end of a race they were all dead :D Although that was a 1990 F1 mod, perhaps the rFactor AI can't handle cars like that.
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Great video, how many takes did it take you to do get that race right? :)
Ok, I just heard your speak on the winners, there that time and Nuvolari actually seems not to have participated in Tripoli, maybe cause of like you said about the difficulty of getting there for a lot of teams, so.. But other than that, he was quite on his top that time and he won the Milan GP that year.
Nuvolari did race at Tripoli, but he's not that successful there because of some bad luck. In the 1937 race, for example, the 12C-37 Alfa Romeo is just not fast enough...
@@jcgabriel1569 Thank you very much!! 👍👍👍
Yeah, by the results, the engine in Tazio's Alfa 12C-36 let go around 6 laps in. And of course, Tripoli usually had awful heat for the race.
@@Villoresi Nuvolari's rather relieved when the car gave up. Even he knew that at that race, there's no way his car could win. The new W125 Mercedes and the Auto Union type C could trade punches at 200mph, his car could probably only do up to 180, in a pinch.
Also, 1937 is a pretty rotten year for Nuvolari. Not only was his car woefully uncompetitive, on the personal side, his eldest son, Giorgio, also died that year...
Did you draw that track map yourself? I love the little trees.
I actually found it as a map but added my own background. I should start drawing them!
Hey...this isn’t an Expedition Theme Park video.
The intro music lied to me!
aaaaargh someone please make the Livorno track from '37 already
I think I'd like the full Montenero Circuit first.
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@@stickmansamsmith That is, Posilipo! Great news!!!
@@stickmansamsmith Will it only be available to AMS?
@@jcgabriel1569 check in with the author on the video. He has said it will be a pay mod but I'm sure it will be very reasonable. I believe he has a few tracks in the works. Well and truely worth keeping an eye on it 😀
My favorite thing is that the Italians changed the formula after the 3.0L Mercedes’ cars domination. They changed the formula to a 1.5L spec, which was more common for Italian cars at the time. “Aha! We got the Germans!” they said. Mercedes does what Mercedes does and built a 1.5L car for the race and won with it.
Excellent!! you have Vanderbilt cup for this mod? thanks
Wish someone converted Tripoli to assetto corsa
3:16 - Didn’t Giuseppe Farina win 5 races as well as the 1950 driver’s championship? Or are we talking about different people?
Yes, he did. He started racing in the early 1930s, but really got into it racing the Voiturette Formula cars (pre-war equivalent of Formula 2) in 1934.
More race from 1937
Hermann Lang wouldn't do better 👏 Vintage content!
Ehm. You do know that there is a version of that track in AC? And with CSP fixes its pretty good.
I wasnt able to find it anywhere. do you know where it exists?
@@GPLaps I've sent you a link via e-mail.
Hey man, I have an rfactor 1 mod that you might like and need to give a try
Tazio won in 1928. Wearing a Eberhard &co. Nuvolari solo tempo watch as I view this video.
How do you know this?
@@ingihrannar8781 historical records, list of winners of all the races held there. Watch I'm wearing the Eberhard &co. Not him. But he owned a Eberhard &co. pocket watch, which is in the Nuvolari museum.
Those wheels look a bit loose haha 😄
rFactor 1!!!!
It’s faster then...
Everything
So many fishtailing cars - at the Mermaid of the Mediterranean. - I know Tarabulus
Somebody should made a conversion for AC.
+1
Pescara circuit plese gracias . Guillermo from mexico
Where´s the mod???
What's the music at 0:10
if these physics are accurate for these cars then it goes to show that the people driving them were never really in control of them at all.
I.dont think you need any knowledge in psysics to understand how impossible had to be to take curves fast with that insanely huge engine carried by those bicycle tires.
I forget Libya used to be an Italian territory. After all it explains the name Tripoli.
Wet spaghetti chassis
I hope the Tripoli Grand Prix returns, especially now that there is no Formula One race in Africa
third whoo hoo
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