Honestly if Vegeta had stayed in space and kept training and laying low there could have been a better chance to defeat the Androids later on. Though knowing Vegeta's cockiness and pride and not being able to sense the Androids power i doubt he would listen and just get killed anyway.
@@QaamansLandI feel like it would be likely he was worried sensing the energy of so many people being snuffed out and not wanting Bulma to be killed as well but, there's also the possibility of Vegeta being bitter over Goku dying and wanting to prove he can still be better than Goku but, sadly just getting killed by the Androids in the end.
@@QaamansLand I feel like that too also factors into it as well since being in space for so long without a challenge would make him frustrated and want to rush back to Earth and let his pride and lust for fighting cause his ego to get in the way and underestimate the androids power even with Super Saiyan which it could be assumed he rushed to Earth after he achieved it as well which would fit his character at that point.
Tbh there are a looot of ways that this future could be saved. Like...even before Goku died. You could just grab Shenron and say "hey uh..so we need Goku. Can you make a medicine for him"? Boom, he survives the virus. And don't NOBODY tell me Shenron can't make no damn medicine. He can create a planet. I'm sure medicine is in his reach lol. The only way this wouldn't work is if, for whatever reason, somebody used the Dragon Balls right before Goku became sick, and he died quickly (not surviving a year.) And maybe King Kai didn't step in since he only connects through Goku (odd because Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Piccolo have connections to King Kai too...). And there is always New Namek but nobody apparently knows where it is without King Kai and Goku using instant transmission.
I’m pretty sure Mr Popo was killed by the androids. Remember in super when future yajirobe explained how he survived when they attacked the tower and killed future Korin.
@@6ramz2 Yeah but they show future Yajirobe as having died so Super just created a plothole. The Androids had no reason to go to Karinto, they liked destroying cities and humans in general. Toriyama really messed up by not specifying if Karinto was destroyed or why nobody reached out to them from otherworld.
@@mrm64 Maybe future Shenron was like TFS Shenron and was just so DONE with their shit that he had Dende yeet him back to New Namek chill with Parunga and smoke on that Big Green pack
I imagine in that moment when vegeta was sitting alone while the others gathered around gokus dead body,vegeta had to have been taking it hard that he was truly the last of his kind. At least when goku was alive, there was someone he could sorta relate to, but now all that was left were their children, who were nothing like the people he was meant to rule.
Piccolo explaining to Vegeta that he would not have his body and would end up reincarnating is also part of the DBZ anime in Japanese and in DBZ Kai. Which is kind of funny considering the filler hell Toei made up
I’ve always loved how the Future Z-Fighters fought the opposite Androids that they fought in the present, for example Future Vegeta fought Android 17 where as he fought 18 in the present. Piccolo fought 18 in the Future & obviously he fought 17 in the present in one of the greatest fights in the entire series. Also I know Mike from LSM made a video about this but I wonder how much stronger the present androids were that the future ones? It seems like a decent amount, I had a theory that the future androids were around the level of 19 & 20 but after some debate I’m not so sure about that theory anymore.
Exactly especially knowing his connection to Kami/dragon balls. He coulda still fused with kami then as the fused namek contact king Kai and either then contact new namek to wish back Goku or to discuss with them about sending a new guardian to earth…either way he shoulda demonstrated more wisdom as the wits of kami too
@@mike_datzmag1c21Kami can literally see everything, you would think he would notify everyone to go to the lookout and devise and strat. HOT could of been prevented if Kami called all of them.
I still don't understand how Yajirobe survived a beam from 18 putting a hole through his torso simply by taking a senzu bean. That should have been an instakill.
If he was a super saiyan then this means Future Vegeta died as the first ssj failure since Goku beat frieza and Cold in this Timeline. I'd pay money to see Vegetas inner monologue at Yemmas station or a what if future Vegeta survived story.
let's acknowledge that Kami could see this even before Z started but he was more Focusing on Piccolo and fortuneteller Baba knew what will happen during Goku and ChiChi's but kept her mouth shut
I know what you're talking about the very last episode of the original DB, but supposedly that episode is filler but fuck it who tf cares if it's canon or not, the anime and the manga are different timelines 😂 not just to DBZ but to all anime/TV shows.
I also wonder why King Kai didn't get involved with helping them stopped the Androids, where did Goku and everybody go after they died/got killed off? Did they go to King Kais planet? If so why didn't they try to contact Gohan and Trunks, so many plot holes that just don't make any sense, I guess we'll never really know now since Toriyoma himself has passed on to the otherworld.
Tbh they need to make a ova or a special chapter that explains what happened in the future timeline at least until 17&18 are awaken I think that would be nice and interesting
To be honest I'd always assumed that the Future Androids were weaker because of a Lack of Maintenence over the years, I mean - machinery wears out and deteriorates over time and the Future Androids are using their powers to blow people up for shits and giggles constantly so I thought "They're stronger than in my time" was more easily explained by them being "Fresh off the line" in the main timeline, and since they were good guys after that they had people like Bulma to keep them from wearing out. Though again, this was always an assumption of mine to explain that remark from trunks in my head.
They were actually never weaker, this was a misconception by Trunks. The Future Androids were just holding back the whole time. They showed their true power when Future Trunks returned after the Cell Games.
My personal headcanon is that because Buu was able to so easily access heaven and potentially destroy it, it stands to reason he'd be able to get to Hell just as easily. Once word of that got around, and after Vegeta was given his body again to help against Buu, the other major threats were also given bodies again as a fail safe should Hell need serious defense. Hence why Freiza has a halo while watching the fight, but not while suffering in Hell.
Yeah he still went to Yardrat, the theory is that he kills Mecha Freiza/King Cold by using instant transmission to stop them. But in the original timeline Trunks jumps in since he's unaware of instant transmission existing
I was at the live stream for some of the making of this video. I really wanted to know if 5:22 was going to be ing the video and it was lol. This has got to be like a channel meme at this point. I love seeing this Vegeta death face
@@QaamansLand yes I realize. And it's a real reason to use it but look at Vegeta's expression. I just love it. Vegeta's completely shook lol. I love that face
This is why I hate Dragon Ball Super. Not only is the timeline completely messed up but way too much unnecessary BS was added to the series. Dragon Ball story was perfectly fine the way it was. It was originally a very intense story with a lot of sad and serious moments and many character growths. They should of just left it the way it was. DBS ruined everything by introducing all the bs with the gods, taking advantage of people nostalgia by bringing back all the past villains and characters, and making up new BS that puts you to sleep every episode.
You hit the nail on the head. It's another reason why I don't like super heck gt had it's problems but at least it was original, creative, and things make sense
@@Brandonweifu certain things like baby's connection to the sayians, overuse of the dragon balls and ssj4 at least that form won a battle SSG is much useless and looks like SS with a new color hardly anything is original and things were reccon
1:21 Saiayn Pride baby... everyone is powering up, might be an interesting fight. Also, if we assume the android didn't find our heroes immediately, a few cities might have been wiped off the map, and vegeta sensed that. Or he would go back to bulma to get food and resources every one in a while.
@QaamansLand it's my theory as to how he would end up finding out about the androids. We see that saiyans can have quite the appetite, Goku eats a lot, Super Broly ate a ton of spider eggs, and they prepeared meat in...(super broly and db minus?) So if vegeta didn't sense the raise in ki from everyone. His one reason to return would be to get food, etc. 🤔 and his one connection would be Bulma. While he could just take what he wants, by this point in the story, he is calming down. One thing I'm not sure about, though, is the whole space thing... there's points thay imply Saiyans can't breathe in space... but also points in the story where they seem to be training in an environment that's space... 🤔 I think I remember seeing vegeta blow up a planet while with Nappa, but I'm not sure about that one.
Did future Vegeta challenge Goku before he became ill? After Goku killed Frieza and Cold in the future timeline, Vegeta would definitely be training hard to reach super saiyan and to surpass Goku. I don’t think it took him the whole 3 years or even 2 to reach that level, but he was definitely training hard just so he can have the advantage over Goku. It’s not stated in the manga or the anime if they had their rematch, but I feel like they did and whoever won, it still made them somewhat closer before the inevitable.
@@powerlevelguy8054 In the original Anime he was (Future of Trunks special) and in Ghosts from Tomorrow episode he was SSJ...he was shown to be bare in Dragon Ball Super's manga but that never confirmed if he was a SSJ or not, he might have just been worn out.
@@mrm64 Yeah, the anime definitely depicts him as a Super Saiyan. You'd think if he achieved the state in the manga it would be spelled out. Considering we never get any evidence to suggest he was, it's pretty safe to assume he didn't have it.
@@powerlevelguy8054 Ehh but it works both ways though. It's never confirmed that he didn't achieve it. Vegeta in all timelines was envious of Goku and I'm sure he went to train after he saw future Goku kill Freeza and King Cold. I mean, that's enough motivation for me lol. I'd like to think either he just reached the form and then Goku died right before he could challenge him (that "Kakarot...no...." says it all in movie), OR he achieved it before Goku died and maybe the sparred a bit (I'd like to believe that).
So that means the androids are as strong as the main time line ones,since in the anime the only time they used full power before trunks goes to the past is with gohan,but trunks couldnt sense or see that ,and the other time they probably used full power was with the trained trunks form the main time line.They are equal as strong,but the future ones are more confident.
It took a while for vegeta to warm up to future trunks. I think future vegeta would have been a dead beat, expecially in the dialog when majin vegeta and goku was fighting and he let the evil take over because he thought he was getting soft and didn't want a family, he was but in the future that's what he would have did. It took a lot of developing to change vegeta's heart.
Yes and no Future goku is in heaven and can't reach king kai to be able to see to the living world but if he found king kai yeah Future vegeta is 100% gone remember in the buu saga piccolo revealed evil souls are reused and reincarnated into new beings ( cept freezer because he never regret anything and had his own personal hell ) so after 30+ years future vegeta was reincarnated long ago
so future vegeta is gone oh god this timeline so dark i mean cell timeline if youthe original timeline where future trunks is dead too@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj
It makes no sense that future vegeta lost because present vegeta trained in space and got stronger than Goku would. In the manga, it was implied Gohan never got as strong as Goku and that later on, trunks also implied he fought on par with the androids.
@@QaamansLand In the manga, the reason stated as to why Vegeta didn't win against 18 in the present timeline because she had infinite ki. Otherwise, he was on par with her. If we were to assume their points of progression were the same, Vegeta in the future would've been as strong as has in the present and absolutely wreck the androids because the present androids were supposedly stronger and he was doing fine until fatigued settled in.
@@QaamansLand Actually, rereviewing, this contradiction is worse than I thought. The evidence that states that 18 and vegeta was on par was specifically meant for anime viewership only because the manga contradicts that notion entirely. Cell saga is convoluted. Why I kind of prefer the frieza saga
Vegeta and Gohan could have lived and easily destroyed the androids. They fought the androids without attaining their full power. They rushed to fight the androids to no avail.
Can you answer a question for me ? If Future Piccolo fuses with Kami . Don’t that mean he is strong enough to kill the androids because wasn’t it stated that a Super Namekian was stronger that SSJ.
@@QaamansLand I was just always under the impression that they were always playing around with gohan and it was akin to two 7 years olds bullying a 4 year old, 1 is more than enough but 2 make it more fun for both. 17 was enough to kill gohan but they double teamed it for more entertainment, the fact they could’ve killed him in one big shot but decided to use several little blasts which would inflict more suffering helps prove that, I think.
@@QaamansLand i don’t see much of a strength disparity between 17 and 18, if anything despite being slightly weaker 18 showing more of a seriousness in her personality than 17 may give gohan more of problems, she’s demonstrated more brutality iirc.
Not really no warning means everyone was far weaker Specially future piccolo who never trained with ssj goku like in the present And future vegeta not knowing for sure he could get ssj likely made it take longer for him Also no future trunks to help ( duh) So imagine their first fight against 17 and 18 but there is no trunks everyone is weaker piccolo is on a completely different league instead of almost as strong as a ssj likely is barely stronger than the base saiyans And you have future vegeta ( who was already weaker ) having to carry the entire team
Yup thats him tecnically there are at least 3 future vegetas Cell timeline where trunks died Future trunks timeline that zamasu destroyed New copy of trunks timeline where future beerus was warned and destroyed goku black and zamasu the moment they appeared
Damn Akira . Never show us how to future trunks timeline storyn. I wish for every episode of future cell is and future trunks timeline too.. Before its all dragon ball z warrior gone . Sommaren agrees!!??
The anime version of hell isn't canon, every villain that died must have their own versions of hell. Frieza being tortured by plushies and fairies is hell for him, then the other villains must be tortured some other way.
If Vegeta stays in space his survival isn’t insured. The androids would kill the ZFighters but will eventually lose to and get absorbed by Cell who will destroy the earth and search out the strongest power in the universe to fight which will lead him to Vegeta
All the z fighter was killed by the androids and gohan Kept fighting for his life to avenged them all And a sad part is he was killed by 17 and 18 All I can say is I'm very proud of gohan And I'm sad he's dead well. At least he tried to save the earth from those androids
So I have an interesting thought. Did Future Trunks go to hell after Perfect Cell killed him? and what about original Future Trunks that got killed by First form Cell? Traveling through time is considered a grave sin.
Doubt it sure time travel is a great sin but piccolo got sent to heaven and he killed dozens of people not even counting what king piccolo did if You wanna count the reincarnation as the same being
The two real questions I think you should also be asking is: Where's Super Namekian Piccolo? And why didn't Tien in the future timeline used Neo Tri-Beam?
Piccolo died before he got the chance to fuse And tien created the Neo kikohu in the 3 years after they were warned no warning means everyone relaxes more which means everyone is weaker
your overview in reguards to hell is missing key factors - hell isnt eternal nor is heaven hell is punishment repentence earns a second chace ( rebirth ) heaven is a wait in bliss before a second chance ( rebirth ) those who go to hell and have not been or will be granted a second chance are sent straight their body and all villians with too much strength are simply sent to hell and not clensed then sent to wait hence the reason their are souls as smoke and those who have their bodies in both heaven and hell .
Future Vegeta most likely did not achieve Super Saiyan in the manga. He seemingly had a very difficult time achieving it in the first place for the present timeline. When he transforms, he goes through extreme effort, more on par with a Saiyan that has not acquired Super Saiyan of free will, then of a Super Saiyan who has attained the form of free will. Vegeta barely pulled it off in the present timeline. Also, in the Super manga, he is depicted in his Base form in the one panel we got. Future Vegeta is also suggested to be as strong as Yardrat Goku in the guides, which is possible barring he didn't reach Super Saiyan, as it is Goku the Super Saiyans look towards reaching in power, not Vegeta.
1) Super is trash 2) Future Vegeta became an SSJ because he was jealous seeing Goku become one and killing Frieza and Cold easily when they came to Earth.
@@greatestnitemare66261) Wrong and the movies were big hits lol. 2) DBS manga never confirmed future Vegeta didn’t achieve SSJ. It makes sense he was power down after taking a beating.
@@Jerry-jo6dn 1) Means nothing. It’s just because of the name it gets hits. It doesn’t mean it’s actually good, 2) DBS is trash. Idgaf. It didn’t exist in the original lore when this episode was made.
seeing that people like frieza and king cold were just entering hell (and when we consider what hell looks like according to the buu saga and movies and ignore super), I feel like it might be possible that king yama saw that vegeta had at least one or two redeeming qualities and had him sent to hell but with his body and memories intact to serve as something like a constable.
@@sedarium5307 Probably not. I think Goku's death discouraged Vegeta from training as surpassing Kakarot was his life's goal at the time. Without him there, the desire to train like a madman is not there either.
@@sedarium5307 idk man, remember buu saga? Vegeta stopped training mostly since he lost his only reason to become stronger (in Z). And lets be honest, buu saga vegeta hated goku before becoming majin. Also, he would give up since theres no other supersaiyans to proove that there can be more than 1 like the leyend.
@@Karma-dy8xcIf this is after the wish which restored everyone and earth if they were good, Vegeta would probably go heaven for his acts against Majin Buu, Cell and Androids
I will clarify, Frieza didn't go to hell in dragon ball super. Frieza was in heaven, King Yemma said that frieza would enjoy hell too much so he sent Frieza to heaven.
@@NerdGohan The Hell was custom made to make Frieza suffered. Goku even lampshaded this saying that Frieza's Hell is nice. To which, Frieza said there is no other worst torments.
Future vegeta like the others are weaker compare to the present counterparts that they didn't know that goku had contract the virus and since there was no cure, there wasn't anything they can do for him, then six months later where the androids came out of nowhere, the z fighters didn't know they exist and were unprepared and even if vegeta train, his level is no where near strong as his present counterpart. The z fighters were probably hunted down and then killed after realizing trying to team up and gang up on the androids wasn't a good idea since androids take sheer pleasure to blow things up and create misery for the humans who are terrified and can't even fight back, this is bo different, in the present time,17 and 18 took out two warrior with absolutely no problem and without killing them while the future counterparts have the hatred psychotic instinct and have the urge to kill due to be force of being converted into a killing machine and with the unlimited supply of power they have with the added effect of being delinquents they feel that nobody could stop them, plus dr gero didn't shut them down and modified their programming. In terms of how the z fighters were killed, the special was probably head canon while the episode was interpretation from trunks since he was a baby at that times he did not know how the z fighters were killed and same goes for the trubks and gohan who fought the androids together. The z fighters was struggling against the androids together so they probably thought that splitting up was an idea otherwise, the androids would just delivered a one group kill with an explosion but they end being hunted one by one. Its possible that three of the fighters were struck physically but their stubbornness kept them going, only to be blasted, one probably did survive the blast but struck down with two energy beams. The rest got killed with one struck down by a heavy blow and the others were killed off screen. Trunks started with his father's death because it was the one person that was taken away he never got to know or spend
Myself the only time we see Vegeta isn't possibly a Super Sayian is in the new stills that show more of the fight with the Androids that Vegeta may not have been a Super Sayian but every other version he is one. And my theory about that still is the battle was pretty over by that point and Vegeta along with the rest of tge Z Fighters was beaten down too much to turn into a Super Sayian anymore. Normally when we see fights in the series it's one on one so when the Future Trunks timeline if all Z Fighters showed up at the same time as the still indicates I think Piccolo and Vegeta would have started the off against 17 and 18 both probably were beaten back then the remaining Z Fighters jumped in and a melee ensued witj everyone beaten down before Piccolo sent Gohan off on his plan for the Dragon Balls.
Honestly if Vegeta had stayed in space and kept training and laying low there could have been a better chance to defeat the Androids later on. Though knowing Vegeta's cockiness and pride and not being able to sense the Androids power i doubt he would listen and just get killed anyway.
So why do you think he came back?
@@QaamansLandI feel like it would be likely he was worried sensing the energy of so many people being snuffed out and not wanting Bulma to be killed as well but, there's also the possibility of Vegeta being bitter over Goku dying and wanting to prove he can still be better than Goku but, sadly just getting killed by the Androids in the end.
What about his Saiyan pride to fight something strong?
@@QaamansLand I feel like that too also factors into it as well since being in space for so long without a challenge would make him frustrated and want to rush back to Earth and let his pride and lust for fighting cause his ego to get in the way and underestimate the androids power even with Super Saiyan which it could be assumed he rushed to Earth after he achieved it as well which would fit his character at that point.
@@systemfailure3681 The reason I'm confused by your message is because Goku was dead. So what do you mean by coming back to beat Goku?
I think had Mr.popo told future gohan and future trunks about the hyperbolic time chamber then they would've killed the androids on there own.
They would've destroyed both of those Androids with a Masenko at the same time
Tbh there are a looot of ways that this future could be saved. Like...even before Goku died. You could just grab Shenron and say "hey uh..so we need Goku. Can you make a medicine for him"? Boom, he survives the virus. And don't NOBODY tell me Shenron can't make no damn medicine. He can create a planet. I'm sure medicine is in his reach lol. The only way this wouldn't work is if, for whatever reason, somebody used the Dragon Balls right before Goku became sick, and he died quickly (not surviving a year.) And maybe King Kai didn't step in since he only connects through Goku (odd because Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Piccolo have connections to King Kai too...). And there is always New Namek but nobody apparently knows where it is without King Kai and Goku using instant transmission.
I’m pretty sure Mr Popo was killed by the androids. Remember in super when future yajirobe explained how he survived when they attacked the tower and killed future Korin.
@@6ramz2 Yeah but they show future Yajirobe as having died so Super just created a plothole. The Androids had no reason to go to Karinto, they liked destroying cities and humans in general. Toriyama really messed up by not specifying if Karinto was destroyed or why nobody reached out to them from otherworld.
@@mrm64 Maybe future Shenron was like TFS Shenron and was just so DONE with their shit that he had Dende yeet him back to New Namek chill with Parunga and smoke on that Big Green pack
I imagine in that moment when vegeta was sitting alone while the others gathered around gokus dead body,vegeta had to have been taking it hard that he was truly the last of his kind. At least when goku was alive, there was someone he could sorta relate to, but now all that was left were their children, who were nothing like the people he was meant to rule.
Gohan?
@@QaamansLand he's not a pure blood tho
@@AnotherSWnerd He also doesn't have the same undying thirst for battle
I'm glad you're still doing your thing brother.
Doing what?
@@QaamansLandmaking videos
I know future Vegeta was furious when he found out Goku died from a heart virus
It would be interesting seeing Bulma tell Vegeta that she was pregnant. I can imagine him spitting out his coffee and cursing Kakarrot.
Always felt bad for Future Vegeta. Finally can live his life freely after Freiza gets killed & shortly dies right after to an Android
Piccolo explaining to Vegeta that he would not have his body and would end up reincarnating is also part of the DBZ anime in Japanese and in DBZ Kai. Which is kind of funny considering the filler hell Toei made up
I’ve always loved how the Future Z-Fighters fought the opposite Androids that they fought in the present, for example Future Vegeta fought Android 17 where as he fought 18 in the present. Piccolo fought 18 in the Future & obviously he fought 17 in the present in one of the greatest fights in the entire series. Also I know Mike from LSM made a video about this but I wonder how much stronger the present androids were that the future ones? It seems like a decent amount, I had a theory that the future androids were around the level of 19 & 20 but after some debate I’m not so sure about that theory anymore.
I watch the future trunks special yesterday..i love Gohan with one hand..fighting the android....so badass..even though he lost
Why did he lose?
@@QaamansLandHe got Jumped.
Why was piccolo the first to try and the first to die .
Exactly especially knowing his connection to Kami/dragon balls. He coulda still fused with kami then as the fused namek contact king Kai and either then contact new namek to wish back Goku or to discuss with them about sending a new guardian to earth…either way he shoulda demonstrated more wisdom as the wits of kami too
@@mike_datzmag1c21 I always felt that vegeta would have went first .
@@mike_datzmag1c21Kami can literally see everything, you would think he would notify everyone to go to the lookout and devise and strat. HOT could of been prevented if Kami called all of them.
I'm pretty sure Frieza's hell was a special case because of his atrocities. Super's afterlife should share the manga continuity.
I still don't understand how Yajirobe survived a beam from 18 putting a hole through his torso simply by taking a senzu bean. That should have been an instakill.
You have your own video
I'm doing a future topic on this
Nanomach- shit, no, I mean...Senzu beans, son
Mewtwo cry
Watch dragon Ball z because if you already watched that you wouldn't have ask such a stupid question
If he was a super saiyan then this means Future Vegeta died as the first ssj failure since Goku beat frieza and Cold in this Timeline. I'd pay money to see Vegetas inner monologue at Yemmas station or a what if future Vegeta survived story.
Hate to say it but you can say the same about gohan
Or present goten and trunks
let's acknowledge that Kami could see this even before Z started but he was more Focusing on Piccolo
and fortuneteller Baba knew what will happen during Goku and ChiChi's but kept her mouth shut
I know what you're talking about the very last episode of the original DB, but supposedly that episode is filler but fuck it who tf cares if it's canon or not, the anime and the manga are different timelines 😂 not just to DBZ but to all anime/TV shows.
I also wonder why King Kai didn't get involved with helping them stopped the Androids, where did Goku and everybody go after they died/got killed off? Did they go to King Kais planet? If so why didn't they try to contact Gohan and Trunks, so many plot holes that just don't make any sense, I guess we'll never really know now since Toriyoma himself has passed on to the otherworld.
@brandonnelson-ey5mt
he's Lazy, and since it's only inside Earth, it won't matter, as long as it's not galaxical matter
Tbh they need to make a ova or a special chapter that explains what happened in the future timeline at least until 17&18 are awaken I think that would be nice and interesting
GREAT QAAMAN FUTURE VEGETA DEATH EXPLAINING.
Another banger video
Qaaman i have one other what if, what if Captain changed bodies like he did with Tagoma to help future Trunks.
Ahhh yes the making of this video! Must have nearly
“Drained” Q. 😂
Maybe 25% inflated and 75% drained? according to the poll
To be honest I'd always assumed that the Future Androids were weaker because of a Lack of Maintenence over the years, I mean - machinery wears out and deteriorates over time and the Future Androids are using their powers to blow people up for shits and giggles constantly so I thought "They're stronger than in my time" was more easily explained by them being "Fresh off the line" in the main timeline, and since they were good guys after that they had people like Bulma to keep them from wearing out.
Though again, this was always an assumption of mine to explain that remark from trunks in my head.
They were actually never weaker, this was a misconception by Trunks. The Future Androids were just holding back the whole time. They showed their true power when Future Trunks returned after the Cell Games.
My personal headcanon is that because Buu was able to so easily access heaven and potentially destroy it, it stands to reason he'd be able to get to Hell just as easily. Once word of that got around, and after Vegeta was given his body again to help against Buu, the other major threats were also given bodies again as a fail safe should Hell need serious defense. Hence why Freiza has a halo while watching the fight, but not while suffering in Hell.
didnt make the stream in time,qaaman(and everyone else too)do you think the goku from future trunks' timeline knows instant transmission?
Yeah he still went to Yardrat, the theory is that he kills Mecha Freiza/King Cold by using instant transmission to stop them.
But in the original timeline Trunks jumps in since he's unaware of instant transmission existing
I was at the live stream for some of the making of this video. I really wanted to know if 5:22 was going to be ing the video and it was lol. This has got to be like a channel meme at this point. I love seeing this Vegeta death face
I know you think it's funny but here is the truth. There is very little footage of Future Vegeta I can use.
@@QaamansLand yes I realize. And it's a real reason to use it but look at Vegeta's expression. I just love it. Vegeta's completely shook lol. I love that face
1:08 I want the back story on why 18 is blowing Yajirobe's dragonballs away? He made a bad wish lol
From what I know
SSJ Future Goku
SSJ Future Vegeta
SSJ Future Gohan
Are all weaker than their present versions.
Yeah because the present ones got warned and trained far more
Also future goku died 6 months earlier
Cool video bro 😎
Bruh Vegeta has killed so many people. I don't know how he's going to ultimately explain that....😅
"I was only using half of my strength last time!" Where does it say less* than half?
Fan translation. This was never originally released in English for the full color manga
18 probably went all in on him in that timeline.
Did you see the video? 17 killed him
@@QaamansLandWhy are you being an asshole to everyone in your replies?
This is why I hate Dragon Ball Super. Not only is the timeline completely messed up but way too much unnecessary BS was added to the series.
Dragon Ball story was perfectly fine the way it was. It was originally a very intense story with a lot of sad and serious moments and many character growths. They should of just left it the way it was.
DBS ruined everything by introducing all the bs with the gods, taking advantage of people nostalgia by bringing back all the past villains and characters, and making up new BS that puts you to sleep every episode.
You hit the nail on the head. It's another reason why I don't like super heck gt had it's problems but at least it was original, creative, and things make sense
@@adrianb714 GT most certainly did not make sense lmao bud up uub only to do hardly anything with him and make him a jobber 😂😂😂
@@Brandonweifu certain things like baby's connection to the sayians, overuse of the dragon balls and ssj4 at least that form won a battle SSG is much useless and looks like SS with a new color hardly anything is original and things were reccon
@@adrianb714 all that made little to no sense as well
@@Brandonweifu I'm guessing super make sense to you
Keep it 💯 I don't like the beginning Vegeta the number of people he killed in the past is crazy 👀👀👀
Good video qaaman
Would not be surprised if theres more universes out there where Vegeta is evil than ones where he's good.
I only wish Gohan and trunks teamed up with master roshi.
Amazing video 🥶
I’ve always wondered what that final showdown on May 12th, 10am near south city was like. They need to make an OVA.
Do future chiaotzu explained
I like to think DBS Future Trunks is from a different timeline and Xeno Trunks is the og one. Thanks MasakoX.
Toei and Toriyama kept changing Bulma’s hair color.
Your indecision with thumbnails
Perfectionism?
9:03 One of my favorite scenes from super.
1:21 Saiayn Pride baby... everyone is powering up, might be an interesting fight.
Also, if we assume the android didn't find our heroes immediately, a few cities might have been wiped off the map, and vegeta sensed that.
Or he would go back to bulma to get food and resources every one in a while.
Explanation?
@QaamansLand it's my theory as to how he would end up finding out about the androids.
We see that saiyans can have quite the appetite, Goku eats a lot, Super Broly ate a ton of spider eggs, and they prepeared meat in...(super broly and db minus?)
So if vegeta didn't sense the raise in ki from everyone.
His one reason to return would be to get food, etc.
🤔 and his one connection would be Bulma.
While he could just take what he wants, by this point in the story, he is calming down.
One thing I'm not sure about, though, is the whole space thing... there's points thay imply Saiyans can't breathe in space... but also points in the story where they seem to be training in an environment that's space...
🤔 I think I remember seeing vegeta blow up a planet while with Nappa, but I'm not sure about that one.
Did future Vegeta challenge Goku before he became ill? After Goku killed Frieza and Cold in the future timeline, Vegeta would definitely be training hard to reach super saiyan and to surpass Goku. I don’t think it took him the whole 3 years or even 2 to reach that level, but he was definitely training hard just so he can have the advantage over Goku. It’s not stated in the manga or the anime if they had their rematch, but I feel like they did and whoever won, it still made them somewhat closer before the inevitable.
For real, I wonder that myself. I wonder if Vegeta might have even bonded a bit with Goku before his passing. That three years is very vague.
Future Vegeta never was able to attain the transformation.
@@powerlevelguy8054 In the original Anime he was (Future of Trunks special) and in Ghosts from Tomorrow episode he was SSJ...he was shown to be bare in Dragon Ball Super's manga but that never confirmed if he was a SSJ or not, he might have just been worn out.
@@mrm64 Yeah, the anime definitely depicts him as a Super Saiyan. You'd think if he achieved the state in the manga it would be spelled out. Considering we never get any evidence to suggest he was, it's pretty safe to assume he didn't have it.
@@powerlevelguy8054 Ehh but it works both ways though. It's never confirmed that he didn't achieve it. Vegeta in all timelines was envious of Goku and I'm sure he went to train after he saw future Goku kill Freeza and King Cold. I mean, that's enough motivation for me lol. I'd like to think either he just reached the form and then Goku died right before he could challenge him (that "Kakarot...no...." says it all in movie), OR he achieved it before Goku died and maybe the sparred a bit (I'd like to believe that).
Keep It up Man 🔥🔥🔥
Oh yeah. How strong was Trunks when he was sparring with Gohan?
So that means the androids are as strong as the main time line ones,since in the anime the only time they used full power before trunks goes to the past is with gohan,but trunks couldnt sense or see that ,and the other time they probably used full power was with the trained trunks form the main time line.They are equal as strong,but the future ones are more confident.
There is a flashback, when trunks was explaining to Goku how everybody was killed Vegeta was not super Saiyan.
It took a while for vegeta to warm up to future trunks. I think future vegeta would have been a dead beat, expecially in the dialog when majin vegeta and goku was fighting and he let the evil take over because he thought he was getting soft and didn't want a family, he was but in the future that's what he would have did. It took a lot of developing to change vegeta's heart.
Only real fans know this was edited on stream
That thumbnail depicts a man who wishes he had eaten just one more sandwich
I know it's wrong but I love the way future 18 killed future
Piccolo in the episode.
Piccolo was the first to try?
@@QaamansLand then the first to die. That was dark
0:00 😮
In super it was explained that particular hell was created specifically for frieza iirc.
in goku black saga
can future goku and future vegeta see
goku and vegeta in future trunks timeline ?
from the other world ?
Yes and no
Future goku is in heaven and can't reach king kai to be able to see to the living world but if he found king kai yeah
Future vegeta is 100% gone remember in the buu saga piccolo revealed evil souls are reused and reincarnated into new beings ( cept freezer because he never regret anything and had his own personal hell ) so after 30+ years future vegeta was reincarnated long ago
so future vegeta is gone
oh god this timeline so dark
i mean cell timeline if youthe original timeline where future trunks is dead too@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj
It makes no sense that future vegeta lost because present vegeta trained in space and got stronger than Goku would. In the manga, it was implied Gohan never got as strong as Goku and that later on, trunks also implied he fought on par with the androids.
Even with training in space Vegeta got wrecked by 18. He still would lose.
@@QaamansLand In the manga, the reason stated as to why Vegeta didn't win against 18 in the present timeline because she had infinite ki. Otherwise, he was on par with her.
If we were to assume their points of progression were the same, Vegeta in the future would've been as strong as has in the present and absolutely wreck the androids because the present androids were supposedly stronger and he was doing fine until fatigued settled in.
There are some points you made that I have to address in a future video.
One key point is 18 was holding back.
@@QaamansLand Actually, rereviewing, this contradiction is worse than I thought. The evidence that states that 18 and vegeta was on par was specifically meant for anime viewership only because the manga contradicts that notion entirely.
Cell saga is convoluted. Why I kind of prefer the frieza saga
@@lordraiden739718 was holding back given that she wasn’t taking it as serious as Vegeta
The story of Geetz! :D
I always thought keeping your body had something to do with good people dying in battle.
Vegeta and Gohan could have lived and easily destroyed the androids. They fought the androids without attaining their full power. They rushed to fight the androids to no avail.
imagine being Ssj and becoming 3 normal ki blast to the chest and after that the Thumbnail.
Timeline, Timeline... nice
It's fun to remember that Trunks is a king.
Curiosity kills Future Vegeta
Can you answer a question for me ? If Future Piccolo fuses with Kami . Don’t that mean he is strong enough to kill the androids because wasn’t it stated that a Super Namekian was stronger that SSJ.
Yes he would be weaker than present Piccolo since he didn’t train very serious before Androids came. He would still be stronger than the androids.
Theres different layers of hell, in Dragonball
It could’ve just been night time wherever he was lol
Ohh vegeta
Weirdly in the anime I still didn’t think the Androids went all out when they killed gohan
Reason?
@@QaamansLand I was just always under the impression that they were always playing around with gohan and it was akin to two 7 years olds bullying a 4 year old, 1 is more than enough but 2 make it more fun for both. 17 was enough to kill gohan but they double teamed it for more entertainment, the fact they could’ve killed him in one big shot but decided to use several little blasts which would inflict more suffering helps prove that, I think.
What about 18? What if Gohan just had to fight her?
@@QaamansLand i don’t see much of a strength disparity between 17 and 18, if anything despite being slightly weaker 18 showing more of a seriousness in her personality than 17 may give gohan more of problems, she’s demonstrated more brutality iirc.
In order for everyone to get slaughtered, suddenly Super Saiyans were weak.
Not really no warning means everyone was far weaker
Specially future piccolo who never trained with ssj goku like in the present
And future vegeta not knowing for sure he could get ssj likely made it take longer for him
Also no future trunks to help ( duh)
So imagine their first fight against 17 and 18 but there is no trunks everyone is weaker piccolo is on a completely different league instead of almost as strong as a ssj likely is barely stronger than the base saiyans
And you have future vegeta ( who was already weaker ) having to carry the entire team
I don’t know how I end up on these DBZ videos. Lol I get pissed everytime about the writing.
Plot twist that timeline is how trunks defeats androids? Not buttons or schematics? Lol vegeta comes back stronger.
Is the future Vegeta that got erased not the same Vegeta as future trunks dead dad?
Yup thats him tecnically there are at least 3 future vegetas
Cell timeline where trunks died
Future trunks timeline that zamasu destroyed
New copy of trunks timeline where future beerus was warned and destroyed goku black and zamasu the moment they appeared
Could future trunks use his tongue to kill frieza
Bro whaaaaat?🗣️❗️❗️
Damn Akira .
Never show us how to future trunks timeline storyn.
I wish for every episode of future cell is and future trunks timeline too..
Before its all dragon ball z warrior gone .
Sommaren agrees!!??
The anime version of hell isn't canon, every villain that died must have their own versions of hell. Frieza being tortured by plushies and fairies is hell for him, then the other villains must be tortured some other way.
If Vegeta stays in space his survival isn’t insured. The androids would kill the ZFighters but will eventually lose to and get absorbed by Cell who will destroy the earth and search out the strongest power in the universe to fight which will lead him to Vegeta
In my honest opinion, I believe 17 and 18 of the future timeline. are as strong as 19 and 20 of the present timeline.
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All the z fighter was killed by the androids and gohan Kept fighting for his life to avenged them all And a sad part is he was killed by 17 and 18 All I can say is I'm very proud of gohan
And I'm sad he's dead well. At least he tried to save the earth from those androids
🤔 at what point was vegeta able to go supersaiyan
So I have an interesting thought.
Did Future Trunks go to hell after Perfect Cell killed him?
and what about original Future Trunks that got killed by First form Cell?
Traveling through time is considered a grave sin.
Doubt it sure time travel is a great sin but piccolo got sent to heaven and he killed dozens of people not even counting what king piccolo did if You wanna count the reincarnation as the same being
Put the old thumbnail back. I JUST saw you change it, this one is worse lol
The two real questions I think you should also be asking is: Where's Super Namekian Piccolo? And why didn't Tien in the future timeline used Neo Tri-Beam?
Piccolo died before he got the chance to fuse
And tien created the Neo kikohu in the 3 years after they were warned no warning means everyone relaxes more which means everyone is weaker
Future Vegeta don't give a F### %100000 ANGRY and only care about himself plus soulless and only looking after number 1.
Plus Future Vegeta is a horrible father and don't give a F### about his baby kid or the woman because he care about number 1 👀
Heartless++++Soulless
your overview in reguards to hell is missing key factors - hell isnt eternal nor is heaven hell is punishment repentence earns a second chace ( rebirth ) heaven is a wait in bliss before a second chance ( rebirth ) those who go to hell and have not been or will be granted a second chance are sent straight their body and all villians with too much strength are simply sent to hell and not clensed then sent to wait hence the reason their are souls as smoke and those who have their bodies in both heaven and hell .
Timestamps?
Why’d they blast Yajirobe in the ******?
Future Vegeta most likely did not achieve Super Saiyan in the manga. He seemingly had a very difficult time achieving it in the first place for the present timeline. When he transforms, he goes through extreme effort, more on par with a Saiyan that has not acquired Super Saiyan of free will, then of a Super Saiyan who has attained the form of free will. Vegeta barely pulled it off in the present timeline. Also, in the Super manga, he is depicted in his Base form in the one panel we got. Future Vegeta is also suggested to be as strong as Yardrat Goku in the guides, which is possible barring he didn't reach Super Saiyan, as it is Goku the Super Saiyans look towards reaching in power, not Vegeta.
1) Super is trash 2) Future Vegeta became an SSJ because he was jealous seeing Goku become one and killing Frieza and Cold easily when they came to Earth.
@@greatestnitemare66261) Wrong and the movies were big hits lol. 2) DBS manga never confirmed future Vegeta didn’t achieve SSJ. It makes sense he was power down after taking a beating.
@@Jerry-jo6dn 1) Means nothing. It’s just because of the name it gets hits. It doesn’t mean it’s actually good,
2) DBS is trash. Idgaf. It didn’t exist in the original lore when this episode was made.
seeing that people like frieza and king cold were just entering hell (and when we consider what hell looks like according to the buu saga and movies and ignore super), I feel like it might be possible that king yama saw that vegeta had at least one or two redeeming qualities and had him sent to hell but with his body and memories intact to serve as something like a constable.
I think vegeta in the future canonicly shouldnt be a super saiyan. He thought there was only 1 super saiyan
Vegeta probably could get Super saiyan by raging over Goku's death, since Goku was his only inspiration to keep his pride and training.
He's not. Vegeta never was able to attain it. It fits the timeline much better if he does not reach it.
@@sedarium5307 Probably not. I think Goku's death discouraged Vegeta from training as surpassing Kakarot was his life's goal at the time. Without him there, the desire to train like a madman is not there either.
@@powerlevelguy8054 it fits the canon mostly. Gladly, dragon ball super made this correction.
@@sedarium5307 idk man, remember buu saga? Vegeta stopped training mostly since he lost his only reason to become stronger (in Z). And lets be honest, buu saga vegeta hated goku before becoming majin. Also, he would give up since theres no other supersaiyans to proove that there can be more than 1 like the leyend.
Would Vegeta go to hell if he somehow died fighting against Kid Buu?
He wouldn't exist
@@QaamansLand oh I forgot he wouldn’t exist LMAOOO its been so long since ive seen the buu arc
@@Karma-dy8xcIf this is after the wish which restored everyone and earth if they were good, Vegeta would probably go heaven for his acts against Majin Buu, Cell and Androids
I will clarify, Frieza didn't go to hell in dragon ball super. Frieza was in heaven, King Yemma said that frieza would enjoy hell too much so he sent Frieza to heaven.
That was Dabura, not Frieza.
@@Ramona122003 it was also frieza.
@@NerdGohan No it wasn't. Frieza said several times he was in Earth's Hell and it was confirmed to be Hell in Super Episode 93.
@@Ramona122003 damn if hell is that fun I guess if hell exists I wanna go when I die
@@NerdGohan The Hell was custom made to make Frieza suffered. Goku even lampshaded this saying that Frieza's Hell is nice. To which, Frieza said there is no other worst torments.
Future vegeta like the others are weaker compare to the present counterparts that they didn't know that goku had contract the virus and since there was no cure, there wasn't anything they can do for him, then six months later where the androids came out of nowhere, the z fighters didn't know they exist and were unprepared and even if vegeta train, his level is no where near strong as his present counterpart. The z fighters were probably hunted down and then killed after realizing trying to team up and gang up on the androids wasn't a good idea since androids take sheer pleasure to blow things up and create misery for the humans who are terrified and can't even fight back, this is bo different, in the present time,17 and 18 took out two warrior with absolutely no problem and without killing them while the future counterparts have the hatred psychotic instinct and have the urge to kill due to be force of being converted into a killing machine and with the unlimited supply of power they have with the added effect of being delinquents they feel that nobody could stop them, plus dr gero didn't shut them down and modified their programming. In terms of how the z fighters were killed, the special was probably head canon while the episode was interpretation from trunks since he was a baby at that times he did not know how the z fighters were killed and same goes for the trubks and gohan who fought the androids together. The z fighters was struggling against the androids together so they probably thought that splitting up was an idea otherwise, the androids would just delivered a one group kill with an explosion but they end being hunted one by one. Its possible that three of the fighters were struck physically but their stubbornness kept them going, only to be blasted, one probably did survive the blast but struck down with two energy beams. The rest got killed with one struck down by a heavy blow and the others were killed off screen. Trunks started with his father's death because it was the one person that was taken away he never got to know or spend
Myself the only time we see Vegeta isn't possibly a Super Sayian is in the new stills that show more of the fight with the Androids that Vegeta may not have been a Super Sayian but every other version he is one. And my theory about that still is the battle was pretty over by that point and Vegeta along with the rest of tge Z Fighters was beaten down too much to turn into a Super Sayian anymore. Normally when we see fights in the series it's one on one so when the Future Trunks timeline if all Z Fighters showed up at the same time as the still indicates I think Piccolo and Vegeta would have started the off against 17 and 18 both probably were beaten back then the remaining Z Fighters jumped in and a melee ensued witj everyone beaten down before Piccolo sent Gohan off on his plan for the Dragon Balls.
Future Khalil
Huh?
Lhh he most definitely went to hell
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This video is totally one cut
Huh?
@@QaamansLand I meant like it's definitely unedited
@@QaamansLand this video*
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD I'm confused. You saw me edit it so how is it unedited?
@@QaamansLandfr also I like your vids
Jeez
what is with these weird replies though.
Huh?
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