Kill Bill's The Bride: A Feminist Hero?
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2020
- Get 25% off an annual membership of CuriosityStream: curiositystream.com/thetake | The Take is now on Snapchat! Scan our snapcode or search The Take on Snapchat to subscribe to our show and never miss an episode: / 7434234501 | Many have lauded Kill Bill’s The Bride as a feminist hero, but is that reputation deserved? Beyond the badass, powerful woman at its center, Quentin Tarantino’s 2003 thriller still traffics in some of the more exploitative aspects of the female revenge genre, complicating its legacy as a feminist film. Here’s our Take on how Kill Bill both defies and perpetuates those female revenge tropes, and why The Bride is still such a force to be reckoned with.
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When are we going to get an analysis on each Disney Princess?! ❤️❤️I'd love to see the lessons that can be learned from each princess and what each princess represents in each of us!
Please talk about the Samurai trope, the tragic hero trope or the antihero trope. Or talk about move/tv plot twists
Stop making everything about gender and race
@@alexisogun they've done 2 antihero trope videos
@@lindamukarakate7511 oh thank you telling me :)
I feel like it's her revenge for her daughter not her. They took someone who was most important to her. I feel like she always had her strength.
I very much agree they took someone she loved and who never got to have a life and she's getting revenge for that and killing the person she loved. And I'm not sure why they don't really mention it in the video. Like yes she's sexually assaulted and abused but that's more so just adding fuel to the fire but not really what's driving her she had always been strong, powerful and bad @$$. It's like saying John wick was a bad @$$ because someone killed his dog
Yeah exactly
Exactly! They did the very thing they were critiquing...tbh. I mean also? Can we just acknowledge that while it is indeed tragic that she lost her daughter and that those things happen to her and she has Every Right to be mad and want revenge--- can we also acknowledge that revenge tropes are inherently shallow anyway? I feel as if the shallowness that follows is inevitable. I mean revenge does not make you feel better and doesn't solve anything (watch Supernatural lol) so therefore, saying that her plight is a shallow one...goes without saying??? I do agree that its troubling that her character revolved around a man and not much else--but in this instance, it wasn't to Serve and propel the mans plot forward ..it was to take complete her agency Back. Like 99% of The Take videos I agree with and love but this one had a lot of things that they failed to mention lol
I did NOT, however, like the fact that Bill was more multi dimensional than her and the ending had some problems. The movie does have its problems overall...but ultimately as a woman, I feel like it was more empowering than not.
@@Shike93 I completely agree I also think that labeling her as a hero is a little wrong here and a bit of a disservice to the character because she's not a hero at all she's simply a highly skilled woman out for revenge she was trained to be a killing machine assassin and that's what she is. She goes after everyone who ever did her wrong even if they had already moved on like copperhead killing her in front of her daughter. But I think that her not out right being a hero is something that makes her a little more complex because she is someone who knows what she is and has accepted the consequences of revenge. I don't think there's enough female main characters in movies who get to be more morally Gray and I think a lot of her complexities are a lot more subtle though out the films
This video really didn’t touch at all on what I consider to be The Bride’s main motivation - motherhood. I was debating a male professor about this movie in college and he said that she functioned as a man within the story. I couldn’t disagree more. She was a killing machine and would have continued on that path if she hadn’t gotten pregnant. Her goal was to take her baby and settle down into a quiet normal life with a man who loved her and wanted to raise a family with her. She spent the whole movie killing anyone who stood in the way of her getting her child back. And I don’t think it’s incorrect to say that assault and a loss of agency were also factors, but it meant a lot for me to watch these movies at the time in my life when I felt men had taken my agency. She made such short work of Buck and that rapist, and she just kept that fire and in the end she got BB back. I love the quote from Uma Thurman about women telling her what an impact Kill Bill has had on them because I would very much count myself among them.
what was with the villain anyway? He was made because Uma Therman ended their relationship?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Mostly that, yeah. If memory she also let him think she was dead and then disappeared while pregnant with his kid. I would assume that is the type of thing that would really set off a monster like Bill.
I reject the notion she was killing anyone who stood in the way of her getting her child back. She didn't know her child was alive until she made it to Bill. He motivation for revenge was those who took her chance at a "normal and quiet" life away from her.
@@JohnWilliams-cr2sz Um actually nope, he found out that it was his kid just before shooting her, he was pissed at her for making her own choice without his consent and disappearing. I think he didn't even know she was pregnant until he found her.
She didn't know that BB was alive tho, she thought that she lost the child because of Bill.
It isn't powerful to be abused, but rising up against that abuse and ultimately destroying the abuser is powerful. Having violence against women is not a problem in fiction, if it isn't specifically violence against the female aspect of the women. I.e getting punched or stabbed is unisex, getting raped specifically because you are a women and seen as an object is much more specific, and must be given serious weight in the narrative, if you include it in your story at all.
what was the villain's problem again? Why was he so made when Uma Therman ended their relationship? Didn't Uma Therman's character think he would be okay and ready with that?
Yeah, why can’t women who’ve been abused have someone relatable to watch on tv
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 His problem was he couldn't control her anymore.
It is interesting. What other motivator could constitute such bloodthirst than a traumatic experience? I there's a fine line before you cross into territory where the character could be seen as unrealistic or unrelatable. It unfortunately parallels todays atrocities against women but that's why I think it can work
Victoria AC Rage why was he so obsessed over controlling her? What he controlling her for again in the first place?
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I like to see a movie where the girl that played as Vivica Fox's daughter goes looking for the bride. Revenge goes round and round like a circle.
Usually, it’s always been a girl killing a guy for something he did to her. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a girl v. girl revenge plot outside of the horror genre
“Revenge is like a poison, it takes us over. Before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly”. - Aunt May Spider-Man 3 You are probably a hypocrite because you dont Want Spider-Man get revenge on Norman Osborn.
The brides daughter and copperheads daughter get married
Yesssss !! I’m here for it.
That would be interesting but I'm not sure how much you could get out of that with the current story since the Bride is pretty justified as you would kinda need to get the audience on board with the protagonist from the previous movie possibly dying in this next phase. However, as a basic movie plot, it would work great if presented as a separate story so you could muddy up the Bride character a little bit and makes things a bit more grey so that the audience is more flexible.
I feel confused about the argument this video is making. Revenge stories are about trauma, even for men (usually after a woman in their life is fridged, hi John Wick!). The motivation for the woman’s revenge in this movie, though, is not rooted in sexual trauma. In Kill Bill, The Bride, is the fridged woman who comes back to “life,” and follows her exacting revenge on all the people responsible for (ostensibly) killing her child and taking the quiet life she had built for herself away by murdering her fiancé and friends (aka fridged). The movie was not about her tracking down all the men who raped her while in a coma. That would have been an entirely different movie. In fact, isn’t that aspect chilling in itself? That The Bride is unphased by the sexual assaults she realizes she has endured? That speaks volumes on the burdens women must carry literally to just EXIST in the world (because that’s what a coma is: it’s just existing). For lack of a better word, The Bride isn’t “distracted” by the rapes, and has a laser focus on the people who are truly responsible for her turmoil. And The Bride’s unphased attitude and resistance to distraction of that particular trauma also speaks to the resilience of women as a whole-because millions (billions) of us have been sexually assaulted and have to keep living our lives, and not just existing in them. The Bride’s entire motivation was about protecting her child, and, ultimately, finding herself needing protection in the process. Her brief time of vulnerability while pregnant was exploited by Bill and the Vipers, and that exploitation was a mental and emotional vulnerability. Because you’ll never convince me that The Bride suddenly was less deadly simply because she had a pregnant belly and maybe had slightly less physical mobility than she was used to.
I completely agree with you I feel like they made the video too much about the rape she faced while was terrible it was never her motivation getting her daughter back was and revenge for her dead husband. The rape was just putting more fuel in the fire.
@@jasoningramx3731 I think the rape(s) was (were) just another example of her being forced to dig herself out from underneath the boot of Patriarchy. I personally never thought it was necessary because of how brutal her assault/trauma from her life with Bill was. But anyway, she didn't know her baby was alive, so her journey was about revenge or justice, not about getting BB back. Her dead husband was also a prop, basically. He was going to give her a normal life and maybe she was fond of him for that, but it's pretty explicit that she wasn't in love with him the way she was in love with Bill. Personally, I think that it was her agency that she was fighting for because she knew that as long as Bill was alive she wouldn't be free from him.
Raven Del Aguila - Vance I think the way you worded that is important: she did NOT feel the same way about the fiancé the way she felt about Bill. Whether actual love was part of either equation is up to fan fiction to decide since we basically know nothing about the fiancé. But! It is clear, though, that Bill groomed Beatrix to be his latest narcissistic supply. The narcissist cycle includes discarding the supply and usually moving on to someone else. And look at Bill’s alias: The Snake Charmer. So it’s not outlandish to think that, at some point, each of the women Vipers, were, at some point, romantically entangled within Bill. And when Bill confronts Beatrix, he tells The Bride that her real crime was discarding/rejecting him (the narcissist) before he could discard her-and he was too much of a narcissist to understand that she wasn’t rejecting him so much as the lifestyle and understood that he either couldn’t or wouldn’t change. Her perceived rejection of him set in motion the massive narcissistic injury that resulted in the mass murder and her attempted assassination orchestrated by Bill. Narcissistic abuse is a mindf**k, and the bullet to the brain is literally symbolic of the mental abuse people suffer and are forced to recover from in relationships with narcissists. The Bride did not simply shack up with a rando dude. With her skills, she could have hid in plain sight romantically single anywhere or disappear anywhere. Why choose to be tied to a person who doesn’t have your level of survival skills unless you feel something? Or how about: why get married unless you WANT to feel something? We don’t know the depth of her love for her fiancé. And it doesn’t matter. Because the narcissistic entanglement she had with Bill allowed her to recognize the good man in the record store owner she wanted to marry. The fact that she chose potentially a good man-I’m assuming since he’s Bill’s opposite and doesn’t have development-means she was trying to make different romantic choices as well. With her level of skill, we have to take into account that she didn’t just jump into a relationship with a new guy to disappear as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't say Beatrix was unfazed by the coma rapes. She was extremely pissed off and meted out justice instantly. You're right, it was not rape as a motivating factor in her revenge story but the assumed death of her child.
Kill Bill is a favorite of mine and it really helped me after my own rape a few years ago. I've seen it so much I recited every line for every scene shown in this video essay.
Carla the Destructor I can never decide if Kill Bill or The Prestige or Jaws is my favorite movie. So. I. Get. It.
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I agree with a lot of what this video is arguing, but I think it’s a very important distinction that it was the loss of her CHILD that was her primary motivator for revenge throughout the film, so I don’t really draw the same connection between Kill Bill and the other female revenge films that are very centered around sexual violence.
As soon as she wakes up from her coma, she grabs her belly and cries hysterically when she realizes she has lost her baby. It’s the most heart-wrenching and emotional scene in the film. In the first fight scene with Vivica Fox (forgot the character’s name), she mentions that her daughter would be 4 by now. The Bride seeks revenge because the possibility of motherhood and a normal life that Vivica now has was literally ripped away from her. THAT is the emotional center of the narrative and of her character, not necessarily the sexual violence (or, more generally, the violence she suffers at the hands of men). This is why the conclusion of her character arc is her being reunited with BB.
Not only that, but consider how both films end:
Vol. 1 finishes with the cliffhanger that her daughter is alive!
Vol 2. "The Lioness has rejoined her cub and all is right in the jungle."
It couldn't be more clear what the motivating factor in Kill Bill is all about. Motherhood was literally why she was leaving Bill and quitting the business in the first place. That's why I can't really agree with a lot of what this video is arguing, because it willfully neglects THE major theme of the film just to make its point. When Beatrix grabs her belly, it is at once the smallest, but also more powerful place her character starts. Throughout this saga, a piece of Beatrix is missing. It's over when she's made whole.
The reason I dont mind rape revenge stories is because its often glossed over that women do have these thoughts. And in a system that devalues survivors, getting your own form of vigilante justice is empowering in a sense. Ive have dark thoughts of beating the ones who hurt me with a metal baseball bat just so they could feel an ounce of pain that Ive felt. Its something I grappled with for years until my counsellor said that there was no reason I shouldnt be angry about what happened to me. Ive become more aware of my tendency towards speaking violently as a pre-emptive defensive response. Seeing a fellow survivor fight back against her abusers gives me the power to do it myself. Maybe not in a orgy of blood, but at least mentally.
Same for me with the vigilante thoughts against my attackers. I think some people who view "the rape as a motivating factor" trope as overused or unrealistic doesn't really believe that it really IS that prevalent in real life and how many survivors there really are. Or maybe they just don't want to.
@@carlathedestructor2454 For me it isn't that rape isn't common, it's that the overwhelming majority of women don't respond to rape by hunting down their rapist, chopping his dick off and shoving it down his throat. It often feels like a lazy way to deal with a serious issue. Are we supposed to believe that committing a brutal murder just removes that trauma? I just think there are more interesting and realistic ways to deal with this issue than just the same violent revenge fantasy over and over. In modern media, you see a named female character getting raped, it's a good bet she'll have chopped the guys head off in twenty minutes.
@@mankytoes I dont get the replies but I wish I did(in the sense I dont get notifications for them). Yeah we usually dont go chop off a dude dick or any number of violent acts. And we are more than aware that it doesnt remove the trauma. For me, its about regaining control. I want to have my revenge. To let them feel an ounce of my pain. And when its over. It doesn't make the pain go away. It doesnt absolve the person. It acts as one form of weird closure. Its a very brutal way of getting that control, but still a form. Something I can have in a world that frequently devalues and objectifies me. A world that denies me justice. A world that blames me for my assault.
We do need some survivors overcoming rape in less brutal ways as a helpful nudge for woman to get help. I know seeing something helpful probably would have pushed me towards a councellor faster. But we also need a system that believes woman. That punishes rapists. Police that empathize with us. And we have to fight for change.
It may be played out... But its one of the women can say we have (id much prefer seeing a revenge story written, directed, produced, and edited by women because I have a very different approach to my fantasy handling of this subject)
this comment reminded me of the 12th episode of ‘I May Destroy You’
However this film isn’t a rape revenge story, she goes out to kill the people who killed her finance and child (or so she thinks), the rape hardly faxes her which shows how much trauma or pain she carries
You keep referring to her as "the bride" but part of her story is also reclaiming her name. Beatrix Kiddo, by the end, is so much more the "the bride" or "black momba". Us, the views, finding out her name is a big deal especially when you take into account that most victims remain anonymous. It humanizes her and makes here more relatable.
Right!! I feel like revealing her name was such a huge part of taking back the identity that was essentially ripped from her. She was a deadly assassin for a long time until she found out she was pregnant, so then she decided she wanted to live a normal quiet life with her daughter and husband, she would almost assume the identity of the normal woman, Beatrix. Bill essentially ruined that for her, and tried to force her to stay the person she was under him, a killer, the black mamba
Agreed! I also think there is something additional about her being referred to as just "the bride" in the beginning. For a good part of history, it the role of women got reduced to that of a "bride" - marriage / procreation was their only purpose, and they were used as pawns to make family or political alliances.
I'm also wondering if there is something to her name, Beatrix. The name is Latin in origin, and means "blessed". Also, Beatrice was the witty, high-spirited heroine in Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing (a "protofeminist" character) - which was really unusual for the time.
Another take on The BRide's lack of characterization. By making her a symbol instead of a fully fleshed out character, it makes her more relatable and allows viewers to embody all the powerful things she stands for. This is very similar to Star Wars where Luke is a pretty under-developed character who represents a quest for justice instead of a real person. By keeping characters symbolic, they're for more appealing and relatable than characters with extensive histories, relationships, mannerisms, etc.
idk, the Bride working as a symbol to me is what keeps me from relating to her. I'm not a symbol, so I want to see fully developed characters when i start a piece of media.
Personally to me
For my own experience and enjoyment
The black mamba isn't a feminist hero
She is just a hero .
Actually not really a hero just one freaking badass asskicking warrior.
What I liked about Kill Bill was when Beatrice had a conversation with the other female assassin in a stand off about just discovering she was pregnant moments earlier. It wasn't a movie where women characters were trying to "out-men, men" stereotype trope. Movies like Mad Max: Fury Road, Kill Bill, Deepa Mehta's Fire, Earth, Water trilogy demonstrates that, as a man, we can enjoy and become invested in women's issues through cinema as a medium. However a movie like Ghostbusters remake had several female characters all trying to emulate Bill Murray's performance instead of being unique and have their own take to the genre.
I agree
I re-watched OG Ghostbusters a lot during my childhood. I don't remember any of the characters emulating Bill Murray's performance at all in the new one. Who are you referring to?
@@rainmirron Just based on my observation and opinion Leslie Jones, Melissa McCarthy, and Kristen Wiig all where trying to compete in different moments of the movie to act like how Bill Murray portrayed as Venkman, getting in shenanigans, trying to inspire the idea int he group, while Kate McKinnon was the main STEM researching designing the tech and equipment. You can see how those 3 actresses performances tried to emulate Bill Murray, as opposed to redefine as characters for themselves. It was not their fault, I just think movies like Ghostbusters (2016) or Oceans 8, due to production pressures they miss opportunities to flesh out women characters end up "playing it safe" by re-branding talented actresses only to try and copy Male characters from the originally inspired material. It just becomes wasted opportunity and potential in my opinion.
@@Devngel653 I agree and disagree with you, I think they were watered down by the production and director. But I don't think they were trying to emulate Bill Murray's character. It seems like they were told to play it safe and tone things down. All three actors are great comedians with unique styles of humor, so it's not a issue of skill or if they are funny. I think it was just bad direction from the director.
The most REWATCHABLE movie ever.
If I start to watch it I also can't stop, it really sucks you in. One of my favourite movies and Uma is just perfect in it, love her.
That opening scene still makes me jump every damn time
Earlier Bill: "We won't sneak into her room in the middle of the night, like a filthy rat."
Later Bill: "I suck."
@Bram Stoker just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it sucks. Clearly, others did.
@Bram Stoker haha okay touché, I misread that. So then, tell me why it doesn't make sense?
Aaaand we're still waiting for that Nikki (Copperhead's daughter)
vs.
B.B (The Bride's) daughter movie 🤨
I usually love the Take, but i have to respectfully disagree with this one. Rape is such an ongoing theme in women empowerment stories because of how scarily frequent it is in the real world and how men have used it as a way to make women feel invalidated and powerless. Of course the Bride never NEEDED to be raped or "stopped by a man" to gain power, she was plenty powerful before. But just like every revenge story, there needs to be trauma in order to have a motive to enact revenge. Why is it bad to use one that is unfortunately relevant to what real women go through? I don't believe its exploiting, I think its giving women strength to stand up to their oppressors and show even the strongest female characters can feel powerless in those situations. I also never believed Kill Bill to be about the men. Beatrix Kiddo is a badass assassin who places a lot of care and trust for people she cares about. She's patient, hardworking, steadfast in her resolve, and shows compassion to those who truly deserve it. Sure she could've had more nuance and showing the darker sides of her besides the results of her revenge, but you don't see a lot of nuance in action packed kung-fu movies like this one. This is just my opinion though 😌
Perfect response. Thank you.
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Well said!
Well said, it made me stronger for it!
I think this is well put! I'm not a survivor and I haven't seen the movie in years, but Beatrix confronts the people of her past that represent real people obstacles. You have the woman who yearns for the man she loves, that she is willing to eliminate another woman and harbour so much resentment for her out of envy (Elle), you have the woman who just does contracts due to the traumas she's faced in her life that she has been stripped of her own emotional humanity (O-Ren), you have the woman who worked for the cause but later get to live the life she took from another woman (Vernita), the male who didn't step up/in and accepts his fate because he thinks her revenge is righteous (Bill's brother), and then you have the man who is take credit for making her and, thus, feels that the owns her and (arguably) believes he can possibly reconcile/be forgiven because he's been raising their daughter and has 'reasons' (Bill). This, along with those who rape her while in a coma, just embody different aspects of what women go through.
I also think the Take didn't properly look at the movie as the movie. There is lost of criticism to give Tarantino, but that is because repeated actions and narratives within his movies. While the stunt and spitting are debatably unnecessary things for a director, I think that they would otherwise get a pass had it not been for his past and (compared to the production of this movie) his future actions. Many artists have dark aspects of their moral lives, but does that mean they can produce works that objectively tell a universal story?
To be honest, you can't expect him to make the bride all powerful over men. Making it so that she never suffers or stuggles. That's what makes her relatable, the fact she struggles but overcomes it.
My favorite moment:
B.B.: “Mommy, do you want to watch a video with me before sleepy time?”
Beatrix: “Yes! What do you want to watch?”
B.B.: “Shogun Assassin!”
As a male, Beatrix Kiddo is my hero. Has been since I came across her. I don't think of her as a female hero, she's just my hero.
“Revenge is like a poison, it takes us over. Before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly”. - Aunt May Spider-Man 3 You are probably a hypocrite because you dont Want Spider-Man get revenge on Norman Osborn.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 well, that was unkind. I (if you don't know) come from a revenge culture. But hold that contempt close to your heart. I love to be insulted by people who have never met me.
@@johnst.baptiste3664 Don't feed the trolls, honey. :)
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I know none of those people. nor do I care. Please stay out of my feed, or I can keep you up until sunrise.
I agree with you. When I was younger I never thought of her as a “female” hero. She just had strength and fortitude and now as an adult she’s still badass.
I consider this film to be a profound influence on the way that i learned to love my femininity, in the face of constant attempts at forcing masculinity on me. The bride let me be feminine, AND survive the bullshit, even when the odds are against me.
I think “sexualising” characters can have this effect on women too. It’s not just about the male gaze. The camera focusing on Angelina Jolie’s body and especially thick thighs, can convince women to be confident with their shapely bodies and feel empowered. Lara Croft is really sexy, but she’s also more physically capable and intelligent than any man in that film, or the games.
@@gilgamesh310 idk if u meant to reply to my comment or make a main comment
@@LOLAandALEX39 I was actually talking to you, but also addressing a point they made in the video.
@@gilgamesh310 ok. While i don't disagree w ur reply i just wasn't trying to talk ab my body perse, but more like i was expected to display masculinity in behavior.
@@LOLAandALEX39 What kind of masculine behaviour?
Not that it is necessarily a stretch to say that, but I feel like many male revenge stories also stem from trauma, abuse, death of a loved one (John Wick!). But a woman going on a "roaring rampage of revenge" for a lesser reason just doesn't seem likely. That's on men being petty cause their buddy betrayed them or some stupid shit. (Here's me generalising, I guess)
Yeah but the difference is for men the trauma is losing their family and thus not fulfilling their role as protector, for women it's usually being violated themselves and/or maybe losing their child, it's almost never them losing their partners and for men it's also almost never because of them being violated.
RedW not always, especially not in Korean revenge movies
@@RedWolfhound we could argue that the main motive for the Bride's revenge was the loss of her family (losing a child is extremely intimate whether you carry it or not), especially considering the lengths she went to protect it. So, she failed at being the protector just as much. I completely get that almost always there's some form of sexual assault related to a heroine's origin story. But it is also UNFORTUNATELY a reality for every woman that's ever walked the planet. I personally don't feel like the story loses value or depth because of this. But I could be wrong.
@@thatspecialk talking about women who have been brutally violated and then sought revenge, I sort of want to see a deconstruction/analysis of the movie "I spit on your grave" (both the original and the remake).
@@RedWolfhound
You are assuming the reason why your dad and brother love you is due to some sort of "narcisism".
A mother has power over her family as well, you know that right?
This does raise an interesting question of people finding comfort or strength from movies with iffy feminist ideas.
Like Synder's Sucker Punch. It tried really hard to have (or appear to have) a empowering message but ultimately fumbles it a bit. Yet, I've read of women who did feel empowered by it, despite it all. It's the question of authorial intent vs. Audience reception/understanding and it fascinates me.
While I wouldn't call Sucker Punch "feminist", I appreciated that the characters used their exploitation to their advantage. Still it's sad that the best outcome for Baby Doll/Sweet Pea was the "freedom" of a lobotomy.
“Revenge Is A Dish Best Served Cold.”
Too true, a philosophy that "The Count of Monte Cristo" executed ALL too well! 😊👍
@@trinaq Maybe it's too strong a comparison, but in my opinion the bride and the Count of Monte Cristo (Edmond Dantes) have a lot in common.
Also "revenge is sweet" so... is revenge.. ice cream?
“Revenge is like a poison, it takes us over. Before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly”. - Aunt May Spider-Man 3 You are probably a hypocrite because you dont Want Spider-Man get revenge on Norman Osborn.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I'm not a hypocrite
“Revenge is like a poison, it takes us over. Before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly”. - Aunt May Spider-Man 3
"Revenge is never good. It kills the soul and poisons it". - Don Ramón, El Chavo del Ocho.
Real_Slim_Shady “Reveng is like a two-headed rat-viper. While you watch your enemy go down, you’re being poisoned yourself.”-Avatar Aang, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Everyone has a different view of revenge. Revenge is a kind of justice and justice is a kind of revenge, such things are complex and not clear cut.
Revenge can be good if it is used to seek justice. You can't let rapists, serial killers, cheaters, organ mafias have their way. Everyone should pay for what they have done even if it makes you little bad. God may destroy them when they die but we need to show people consequences will be inevitable in this world if you do something disgusting. Good revenge may scare other obnoxious "people".
Non-racist Hitler “We are but men, drawn to act in the name of revenge that we deem to be justice. But if there is justice in revenge, then that same justice will breed only more revenge and trigger a cycle of hatred.”
Pain (Naruto)
In 1982 Harrison Ford slapped Sean Young in Bladerunner, a trope taken from decades of film noir and men's romance movies, a man slapping a woman into loving him! Volence agoisnt women (white women in particular) on movies screens is not new, It is a very very old trope often used ot motivate male characters, or coerce women into giving the male character whant he wants, which is sometimes her.
I have never thought for a single second that Tarantino was woke or feminist. Just because he's had a few films of women kicking ass, or writes a female character well doesnt make him a feminist icon of any kind, and I really cannot see where anyone got the idea that he was.
It functions as a feminist story for sure but also has the flexibility for someone to completely have a different take (no pun intended). When I experienced it for the first time I certainly didn't know much about feminism, so I just took it as an awesome story with some elements that almost always only happen with a female character as the lead. Such as getting raped, parenthood, and assaulted because you were getting married aren't normally character beats that you associate with a male protagonist; that said, even now that I'm older I still see the movie within the lens of how I first experienced it. Though now I lean towards it still being a positive movie that can be viewed in the realm of feminism I know it's important to separate the author from the story or in this case the director from what we know of him now.
When are we going to get an analysis on each Disney Princess?! ❤️❤️I'd love to see the lessons that can be learned from each princess and what each princess represents in each of us!
That's a great idea! From Snow White to Moana. All princesses have admirable qualities.
Did y’all even watch this movie??? Damn. What a half-assed understanding of a complicated character!
Calling a mainstream film "feminist" is the equivalent to sticking a green tree on product packaging. It's done to attract a certain type on consumer, without actually meaning anything.
Yeah, she can't just be a strong empowered woman, without being a feminist icon.
100% 😂😂😂
I think this was always an exploitation film from the outset.
Don’t get me wrong, the Bride and the Vipers are badasses in their own right, but they’re all there in the service of blood, guts and action rather than traditional character development.
There’s nothing wrong with that (that type of film has and always will be popular), but trying to classify this film as feminist seems like hollow lip service at worst, and a waste of time at best.
Is it painful to be so over opinionated or does the sound of your own voice heal your own wounds? Stop whining it was a cool movie and did well with it's target audience. Why does appealing to a target audience offend you people that want the world to be perfectly politically correct
Sorry I meant to comment on the video, not reply to your comment
i think that the film itself never tried to be feminist, but the media sold it as it was.
Vincent Pasquarell No worries, it happens
you should watch Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill and drop dead then. An exploitative but at the same time powerful portrait of female sexuality. An hipersexualized woman is not necessarily a bad thing imo. And in Tura Satana the ultimate female villain of all times, along with Amy Dunne.
For once a female character wast used to make the male hero look "cooler".
But once again trauma was the thing that was apparently necessary for her improvement and motivation. I hate whe they use assult and r*pe as tools for female characters growth.
Then again the bride is more of a new twist rather than a feminist character
she was not assaulted and rape they just shoot her thought the head and left her for dead and she came back to slice and dice fools
Pretty much all edgy, ultra-cool characters in action stories suffer from some trauma and are motivated by it. it has nothing to do with gender.
soso al-shallahi yeah, sure, but how many times that trauma is rape? Only when women are the protagonists
@g7dmother •}:{• Yeah but she wants to kill bill not the random asshole that rape her she wants revenge on the assassins that put that bullet thought her head killing the asshole was a bonus
Well yess while she was raped and assaulted it was not a tool for her to grow or motivation. Though out the movie she is getting revenge for the death of her husband and unborn daughter . She was already strong and bad @$$ before all of that she's fighting for the life bill took from her and wouldn't let her have .
Kill Bill is hilariously campy and I love it
I would LOOOOOVE if you tackled the women in David Fincher films.
“Blood splattered angel”
Blood-Saliva mist to the face
I think the name "The Bride" is similarly meant to be ironic. When you hear "the bride" you have an idealised view of a sweet, traditional woman, standing by her man.
Huh. I always thought the two-parter was intended to play the grindhouse aspect mostly straight in the first one and then completely subverted in the next.
In the first movie is the Bride's killing of her rapist and glorious battles she walks away from without a scratch in pursuit of a mythic, bestial man.
In the second, Beatrix claws her way out of her grave, bloody and dirty, before leaving that same man crumpled in the background like a bug. The final image we see of Bill, during the end credits, is not him powerful, active, controlling, but curled on the ground dead.
i personally wish Lucy Lui's character was the main character getting revenge it felt more compelling to her background story i felt lucy lui should've been the leading lady
If they wanted to franchise this, O'Ren's rise to become head of the Yakuza, would make a great saga of its own
No, being a badass has no gender!
@Mo'mina Makin Or they think the only way women can be interesting is if they ARE like this
@Mo'mina Makin Ok, so what exactly is a "typical female character"? Do you have some examples?
@Mo'mina Makin Right. That's why I'm saying still a lot of people think that the only way for females to break out of those boring roles is to be "action girls" who are just as violent as male protagonists (i.e. Kill Bill). That's why Arya Stark, for example, had a much bigger fanfare that Sansa, even though Sansa was actually very badass in her own way.
@Mo'mina Makin I think you're confused, I'm actually agreeing with you. This whole time I've been talking about what old-fashioned people a most audiences think. I haven't seen many animes, but I think of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a fine example of a badass woman, and she's far from an action hero bruiser type lol
omg I have been thinking this for years! thank you for making this!
Tarantino still wants to relive the glory days of the Grindhouse era of his childhood. The exploitation films were more culturally diverse, had more women in several roles, and even gave women directors and writers a chance they did not in mainstream films. However, in the end, they were still exploitation films. Some gems of cinema. Others where straight-up trash. Others where exploitation art that although surrounded in controversy still explored themes we are still too scared to touch.
I’ll watch kill bill 3 as long as the bride isn’t killed within the first 15mins with a golf club
Seriously? You were that gay for Joel?
asava17 LOL...that’s ridiculous.
@asava17 Go learn Greek drama, bro.
Taratino is way better than Druckman. The hell you talking about? They are not going to kill The Bride off.
I just wanna know when Quentin’s gonna make the movie where Green’s daughter comes for Beatrice.
This may be one of the strongest female characters on screen that is not a Mary Sue. Quentin Tarantino gave you reasons to like her, and want her, to be powerful. She became what she had to be in the movie, because what she went through. This is why you come away liking a movie a bit more that you thought you would, even with all the blood and gore in it.
I love this movie. As a stand alone series it's perfect, production scandals aside. While I found Oren's sexual assault offensive, I am glad it wasn't too graphic. It's fine that it was part of the story. A large portion of women experience this reality so I am glad that they can find some inspiration from these characters' retribution and strength. Of course, I don't think it should be a theme in every story about women either.
My favourite female action heroes are the ones that aren't over sexualised and have independent agency. Beatrix , Mulan, Andy...
Tarantinon is all about making modern exploitation movies where those who were formally used as victims of the genre become the heroes. It's why I love his films as a black man. The losers of his movies are always those who wield repressive power in society
never been this early! love your channel!
I love the take every video Is original well executed and interesting
she is one of my favorite female characters ever!
GREAT STUFF! So incisive. More like this, please!
Your video is always amazing omg
Amazing. I LOVE your videos!! Despite everything, the Kill Bill series is one of my favorites.
no she was just a professional assassin who happened to be a female, that means she went through training and experience to be the strong woman that she is , the latest men in black movie on the other hand ... that's a feminist hero for you
Didn't Alien do the same thing? Created a story where gender was irrelevant. What makes alien feminist is the fact that the female protagonist was a fleshed out character.
@@unicorn1poop that last sentence is key. The character has to be fleshed out well.
@@unicorn1poop The original script for Alien had the characters genderless, with last names only.
I get so exited when i see a new take video
But Tarantino puts ALL of his actors and actress and characters through rough filming not just the women!! Isn’t that Feminism?!?
If we're talking badass ladies, could we get a Take video on Lisbeth Salander?
This!
The Millennium Trilogy (Swedish version in my case) is so underrated and deserves more attention.
Yes!
One with THE ORIGINAL Lisbeth, please!
No shade to the others, but Noomi Rapace owns that role!
I am completely down for a Zendaya vs. Uma Thurman fight scene if Tarantino ever makes a Kill Bill 3.
how do u manage to make such quality videos every single time?
My family watched both Kill Bill movies on my little sister’s 13th birthday last year.
I think After Copperhead’s daughter gets revenge in the prequel, an aged Thurman’s daughter comes after her mother’s killer many years later and fights/kills Copperhead’s daughter in revenge for Thurman’s death.
An even bigger stretch is the cycle repeats creating a warring katana family blood rivalry.
That's interesting. It's one of my favourite movies but I didn't even know that Kill Bill was considered a feminist movie. Nor I've never thought about it myself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I never see much political or societal commentary in Tarantino's movies (with some exception of course). They're just.. They all look like amazing love letters to cinema. At least to me.
Nice to finally see such a classic!
Just because it’s a strong woman in the lead role doesn’t mean it has to have anything to do with “feminism.” It’s a well written story about revenge and the costs associated with it. She was willing to give her life for the loss of her baby but once she found her child was alive, she had a reason to live and start again. But let’s think about the effects of her past haunting her and the PTSD she will feel and could potentially pass that anger onto BB. What kind of woman will BB become?
And on feminism, what effects did seeing the (unknowingly deserved) death of her mother have on Vernita Greens daughter? What feministic hero would kill a girls mother knowing the child will find her body at the least? Now she will he raised by her father, motherless or potentially raised by what could end up being an evil stepmother; a little girl filled with hate and the cycle of the lust for revenge carries on.
TLDR feminism is not a word I would use to describe Kiddo or the movie as a whole and most def not “feministic hero”.
"Revenge is a fools game"
Show me the quote where they said just because they had a strong woman in the lead role makes it feminist. STOP STRAWMANNING. They never said that. Your being reductionist.
Alex Smith the literal title poses the question babe
A Promising young women, does an interesting take on the female revenge flim, mainly showing not only the problem with men, but the system built around it to that allows this to happen.
I hope one day we get a Kill Bill VIII.
But also you mention Promising Young Woman. I've been looking forward to that movie for so long, but it's stuck in limbo for a release date. Ugh!
A video where the sponsored ad is at the end? I didnt think you gals could get any better. Ya'll the best
Legit a week before this video essay came out I made a video essay about quentin tarantino's representations of women and made the same points - this is whack yo i love it sm
A few years ago I was doing a trivia night. One of the questions asked what her name is in kill bill, I said in the first movie she doesn’t have one and they said I was wrong. I argued for SO long that the whole point is no one has her name in the first one. Still makes me mad.
I hate questions badly worded like that ruins so many fun games because we have to slow down and come to a concensus at the table. I would say your answer or the bride, unless they said Kill Bill movies, then that's including the pt 2 which gives the name. Otherwise the only clue we get for her name in the first movie is the Trix Rabbit joke, and ya only understand how that was a subtle clue once you hear her name in the sequel.
you were wrong because bill said kiddo before he shot her and oren mouthed beatrix. Even before part 2 came, most fans guessed her name.
Jt Law no, they never distinctively say her name in the first movie meaning she doesn’t technically have one in the first movie
Never even seen this movie but I’m watching this because I love every video on this channel. Probably my favorite channel on UA-cam
Ok, now you HAVE to do a TAKE on the Deadly Vipers!
This channel is getting stunier and braver
Wait a second. I never heard that about the 2018 revelation. That is actually sick.
On second thought: I forgot that there is a scene in Django where Leonardo smears his actual blood on Keris face. He cut his hand on accident and improv’d the rest of the scene. Now this is said to be fake but I’m not so sure now.
This was one of my all time favorite movies.... hearing that behind the scenes weirdness makes me feel unhappy and sad haha. It is always important to allow yourself to look at your favorite things in a critical light. If they make a Part 3, that would be a good chance to address some of these problems buuuut, knowing QT.... we will see.
She's a badass, likeable, and well written character. That's all that matters here.
Hey ! You should list in the description all the movies you talked about or made link with in this video !
I’ve wanted to get y’all to do this and I’m so grateful for this.
I’m gonna try and find out how to get y’all to do Spike Lees Malcolm X
May I please commission a video essay for it? It’s A quality film!!
She is. She wanted to live life on her terms. Granted her plan was to be a domesticated housewife but that was only because she was escaping her insane life as an assassin.
These videos are great, it makes you look below the surface of films.
While I generally like the movie and TV analysis on this channel, especially from a female perspective, I found this one wanting for more depth and riddled with blind spots and biases. Keeping aside the mistreatment of the actress during the making of the film, the film itself is hugely feminist for several reasons. Here, I'll just address specifically the ones mentioned as anti-feminist in the video essay:
1. Large shadow and mythic persona of Bill over the entire film: Since the movie is largely told from the bride's perspective, she does see him as larger-than-life and mystical because at some point, he was the one who gave life direction and self-confidence to a young girl (Beatrix) through resources and training. It doesn't undermine the importance of bride's character, rather it elevates the height of her ambitious goal of annihilating Bill - her closest (and mostly sole) authority figure. Its symbolic of reclaiming your personal power from your supposed givers who can turn evil, and why its so important to do so even if they do not.
2. Movie title named after Bill: It's of low importance as it's, in every respect, bride's story of achieving power, fulfilment and happiness. The name is inconsequential since Bill just serves as a focal point and singular goal for her story - but it ends up achieving much more in the process. Since bride is the prime narrator, it's even fitting that movie should be named after *her* goal, i.e. Kill Bill.
3. Bill's power over the bride: It's downright normal that she would sense some measure of indestructibility on Bill's part because of his influencer over her life - he essentially gave her everything she had been able to accomplish thus far (till the massacre). He had brought her up, in a sense, and brought her down, literally. So, she could have reasoned, despite her conviction, that she herself cannot destroy him which manifested in her supposed vulnerability in front of him (also because of her child's presence). This is a natural apprehension to feel when facing off with your authority figures, and is pretty common. Though, imo, she suffered way less when she was with Bill vis-a-vis his brother who buried her alive. So, it's not totally logical to say that 'Bill seemed omnipotent for the bride'. In the final scene, she wasn't emotionally/mentally overpowered by him, rather was simply reliving a small part of her old life that she was letting go. This is symbolized by Bill walking away and falling. By this point, she has realized (and so has the audience) that her story isn't simply about revenge - but about much more.
4. Pai Mei's abusive training of the bride: Firstly, any strict training regimen such as shown in the movie comes with significant destruction and creation of the pupil's ego and persona. She is shown to have some entitlement when she meets him for the first time, which is then broken down in a swift combat. Bride also understood this, which is what prepared to dissolve her ego and receive the training with surrender to the art, and ultimately learn the one technique he didn't teach anybody else. This is in contrast to other characters we meet (Elle, Bill) who had their egos intact during their training, which led to their downfall. It could be argued that he was extra hard on the bride because she was a woman, but there is no evidence of this in the film since we do not essentially know how differently he treated his male pupils. With Pai Mei, the dynamic shown is that of teacher-student, without any male-female elements. Similar regimens are shown in American movies in context of military training. So, this point as stated in the video is a gross misreading.
5. Bill choosing not to kill Bride in hospital: This action is a clear derivation from Bill's ego - he doesn't want to see himself as a coward who chose to kill a woman while she slept. This is different from the massacre where he made a symbolic point to her that he essentially owns her life. So, this action is more about Bill massaging his own insecurities than about undermining Bride's power.
6. Abuse shouldn't be shown in movies: No, it isn't empowering to be beaten and raped in movies, but it's still the harsh reality of many women. A majority of women existing on this planet will face some form of abuse in their lifetime. This movie, and other movies like it speaks to them. It shows purposeful disempowerment of the bride which she reclaims. When a movie chooses to dabble in these themes, it doesn't simply remain entertainment for the real victims, it becomes an empowering symbol. Why? Because many, many women who face this kind of abuse do not have the power to fight it for myriad of reasons. Female revenge stories gives them hope and will to fight back with whatever they have. Do movies need to show abuse? Why not? Isn't art a reflection of society? To deny abuse-with-a-purpose on films, is to deny the reality we live in. Who is it entertaining, really? Who can find abuse entertaining? Outside of porn, abuse, more often than not, is showcased to evoke emotional reaction and identify or sympathize with the victim. Think Revenge (movie made by a woman with a female lead). If anything, it teaches society to be more empathetic to people experiencing abuse that they themselves might never face and fight harder for justice for them.
7. Women already are powerful: It's an absolutely myopic view to say that power exists within without going through much in life. Let alone women, which human can possess the kind of mental, emotional and physical power that bride showcases without going through an ordeal such as hers? Could anyone really become powerful, in any sense and measure of the concept, without suffering? What happened to no pain, no gain? Do we come born with this kind of power? This was way too silly to address, tbh. It's also downright contradictory to say that women are already powerful and don't need such narratives when so many of your videos deal with outing flawed systemic stories that attempt to disempower their persons. Power is realized when one gets to know oneself, which happens through suffering.
8. Showcasing sexual assault makes the story about the men: If anyone actually asks a victim of abuse about this, her/his reply might come across as surprising. While the perpetrators of abuse can definitely become a scary, haunting element of the victim's life ipso facto, the most hurtful fact to the victim is essentially what was done to them, and what it resulted in, not the abuser. The main villain of their story is the resultant impact on their life that they didn't ask for. The kind of abuse shown in the movie often results in loss of confidence, self-esteem, self-image, along with self-blaming, depression, anxiety and much more. That stays on much longer than the abuser and the act itself. So no, showcasing sexual aspects/assaults does not make the story about the men in the movie. What if the abuser was a woman?
9. Bride as a symbol: It's stated in the video both as a positive and a negative. It can be argued while bride is showcased like a symbol to relate to every woman, she's seldom treated like one and only at the start of the movie. This ties in neatly to her character and story arc when she goes through her hero's journey and reclaims her identity and power. In the beginning, we do not know much about her (as is the case with stories) and learn more as the story progresses. While her story does start at the massacre, it doesn't end there and simply calling her 'the bride' doesn't mean she's defined entirely by that one incident. The limited character revelation was done by design, to make her scary. There are other several reasons why she wasn't named till the 2nd movie which can be easily Googled, none of which were intended to limit her possibilities. When her name is finally revealed, it isn't even nearly as impactful to the audience because, by that point, she has defined herself by her 'self' to such an extent in audience's mind that she doesn't even need a name.
Revenge plots start with a trigger, but the actual story is about the journey to get it. This could also be the reason why the massacre is only entirely shown in the 2nd part and not focused on much.
“You and I have unfinished business”
She is a real strong female character and she still gets her ass kicked in nearly all of her fights..get shot,sliced,beaten,buried alive and abused by her master and yet she is still strong.
Y'all are the BEST!!!!!!!
Not really, she doesn't really explain to people why she's a "badass". She's just a hero with feminine characteristics, as any good character should be.
Let me get this straight: You comment something that is unrelated to the fact that I have two DANGEROUSLY DASHING girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest UA-camr ever, having two hot girlfriends is really incredible. Yet you did not mention that at all. I am quite disappointed, dear just
Absolutely loved this one
Can y'all do The Love Triangle trope?? I hate it so much and have gotten to the point where I'll stop reading/watching things with a forced love triangle. I prefer two characters developing as individuals together and realizing they love each other along the way.
Kill Bill was the first movie of Tarantino that I saw and it had such and impact in my life that to this day it remains one of my favorite once. All I want to add to this is that usually revenge plot movies are incite by trauma and although I do admit that sexual exploitation is the number one reason for women revenge plot, give me a woman who doesn't considers this as top crazy revenge? Bride's abused was that she was denied her motherhood and "killed" for it.
I feel as though this video completely took the wrong focus on what truly drives Beatrix’s revenge story. It’s not about sexual violence or her being beaten down by men, it’s about a Mother who has had everything taken from her, most importantly, her daughter. She doesn’t even know her baby is still alive until the end of the story, this is why the reveal of her daughter is such a huge plot point at the finale of both films, because Beatrix has been on an incredible ensemble of violence not only as revenge for herself or her body, but as revenge for her child. As much as the sexual violence and physical abuse are part of the story, they never take the main focus because to a character as powerful as The Bride, these traumatic events never take her mind off of her main focus, vengeance for her baby. I think this video misconstrued the entire point of the story despite that point being abundantly clear throughout the film.
Say what you will about Tarantino, but he really nails the conversations in his films. Like in death proof it sounded like real conversations I'd have with my friends. The women were not simplified in that film.
Great video. I love this movie, but I admit the violence and blood occasionally have me questioning who I am as a person. It definitely gets some vicarious thrills for me.
Oh right, really need to see Lady Snowblood.
I find Tarantino's "abuse" of his female characters feminist BECAUSE they are treated as violently as men in his movies. Noboby minds when male characters are tortured by other men or women but God forbid it ever happens to a woman because if it's towards her it's called "sexist abuse" but if a man is belittled/humiliated it's "meh/man up !/chill out, it's just an action movie" as if men were expendables but women are too precious and must be protected. ("Women and children first !").
The Bride is as deadly as the men and women she kills therefore she is on the same level (as able as them) and is AWARE of what will happen to her if she fails in her revenge (gets buried alive...) and continues willingly/in spite of it. If it were Brad Pitt (in Inglorious Basterds) being spat on or choked by Tarantino's hands would it shock anyone ? I don't think so. Feminism is also about responsability : we want the same opportunities (to study/work/choose parenthood or not) as men and this implies that we can't hide behind a daddy figure who will protect us whatever happens or shield us from any "misogynistic agressions".
No wonder some young men are angry and feel lost about masculinity, feminism did wonders to the female condition but on the way blamed men, as a species, for the abuse the society, as a whole, inflicted upon women (female misogynists do exist and are the most toxic (because hidden) ones).
Camille Paglia is an author to be read, in my opinion, to realise to real cost of equality : equal rights and opportunities mean equal duties and responsabilities.
You make valid points. Are there any characters in any of his movies that aren't abused or traumatized in some fashion? Which makes me question: Who hurt you so badly, Quentin Tarantino?
Name one man who has been raped and lost a child in his stories. Name one man he strangled and spit in the face of.
@@alexsmith2910 Marcellus Wallace was raped in Pulp Fiction, there was an extended scene of violence against Kirk Baltz in Reservoir Dogs. Tarantino's movies are violent and heavily influenced by exploitation films. It's just that violence against women on screen disturbs us more.
What is the name of the movie at 11:15???
To me the legacy of Kill Bill is:: There's nothing women can't do.
And this is one of the greatest movies with one of the greatest characters of all time.
So the Bride vs John Wick? That would be an interesting comparison and to see whether the tropes hold up when compared to their simialrities
The Take (one of my new fave channels) and Kill Bill (one of my fav movies of all time), ok This is going to be awesome.
9:54 just wanted to say that man's line translation is wrong. He says "why did you do this" not "who are you".
could you share your take on submarine (2010)?
Haven't seen Kill Bill so I'm saving this for later 🥴
I want Vol 3 so bad! 😭
Ooooh !
- Ooh what?
- ... ma Thurman!
I think the biggest indicator about how much this movie has aged is that she's allowed to take a sword onto a plane.
This came out after 9/11 though (2003-2004, so it was kinda weird even then)
@@robchuk4136 Yes, but the film deliberately invokes a much older time period, implying it's not actually set during the year of release.