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  • @pjhunt4135
    @pjhunt4135 Рік тому +158

    I always thought himbrys death was used as a lure to clear the macher house of the party when stu left the room and called the landline to tell randy. By announcing it to the whole room, billy and stu ensured that most of the guys would leave to see the body, leaving sidney and randy in the house for the final act.

    • @christopherdunn4066
      @christopherdunn4066 Рік тому +31

      And to keep most, if not all of the police busy and away from Stu's house.

    • @tonyb83812
      @tonyb83812 Рік тому +2

      My thoughts exactly

    • @FreeThinkAlways
      @FreeThinkAlways Рік тому +14

      Tbh I don't think they even wanted to kill Randy.. certainly not Stu. Stu has several times he could kill Randy like being behind him on the couch and on the porch when Randy is trying to tell Sid that Stu is the killer yet he let's him live both times

    • @tayloranderson7547
      @tayloranderson7547 Рік тому

      Has left Sydney and Randy in the house for the final real life

    • @nunka34ify
      @nunka34ify 10 місяців тому +2

      @@FreeThinkAlwaysabsolutely. Stu was hesitant to stab him from behind and Billy could have purposely shot him in the shoulder so he’d live

  • @leamason9006
    @leamason9006 Рік тому +72

    The way you describe Billy’s thoughts sent chills down my spine. This is canon to me now

  • @patrickdempsy14
    @patrickdempsy14 Рік тому +105

    Anyone else genuinely excited for this novelizations? I can’t wait, they sound amazing so far

    • @steviecapone
      @steviecapone Рік тому +4

      It’s definitely gonna have a place on my bookshelf for sure!

    • @Hunter-013
      @Hunter-013 Рік тому +4

      Same amazing videos can’t wait for the novels. Which with all the love in his videos for this franchise it’ll show

    • @JamaicaZ160R1793010A
      @JamaicaZ160R1793010A Рік тому

      Are they canon?

    • @ronniejones89
      @ronniejones89 Рік тому

      I can't wait I grew up watching scream I always find new little stuff I don't pick up

  • @jadegunner9234
    @jadegunner9234 Рік тому +41

    The best Scream youtuber by a long mile. I love that you're literally writing a novel about this franchise

  • @mr.checkyourself4672
    @mr.checkyourself4672 Рік тому +22

    Principle Himbry was such a random kill but they needed another kill in the movie cause they didn't have enough kills but Himbry dying makes sense in the story to get the teens out of Stu house to set up the climax.

  • @lightdarksoul2097
    @lightdarksoul2097 Рік тому +45

    This actually makes me think of something. What were Billy's and Mrs. Loomis's feelings to Hank and while I bet they both hate him, why didn't they kill him?

    • @oliviav.3565
      @oliviav.3565 Рік тому

      I think they viewed him as a pathetic weak man that fell prey to the town slut Maureen Prescott, that's why Billy blamed her more than dad.

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Рік тому +4

      @@oliviav.3565 Yeah I can see that

    • @1337hatcher
      @1337hatcher Рік тому +9

      Pretty sure that’s because it would make him prime suspect number 1. But whatever happened to Hank? I’m calling it. Killer in scream 6

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Рік тому +9

      @@1337hatcher I can see maybe in Scream 7. Hopefully they get Sydney back and you can have people from through the series who were affected all because people wanted her that they could believe getting her and Sam now out of the way would end the need for ghostface for good

    • @tayloranderson7547
      @tayloranderson7547 Рік тому

      Mrs. Loomis feels Hank will I bet they both hated him for real life why didn't they kill him

  • @Nicholas_Chen_
    @Nicholas_Chen_ Рік тому +38

    I do like how you write it in Billy’s POV, he is more composed, calculating but hiding a deep rage. You made Billy seem like a victim who cannot process the trauma and vengeance so he turned into killing. If anything, this makes Sam Carpenter’s wooden performance more interesting as it reflects your take on Billy Loomis, as both Billy and Sam hold lots of pain inside while trying to appear ‘calm’ on the surface. There are theories there is an inherited mental illness passing down in the Loomis family from Debbie to Billy to Sam, which I believe could be true, more specifically delusions or paranoid schizophrenia, as Billy can’t seem to tell the difference between films and reality, while Sam has hallucinations.

  • @jamesparks3967
    @jamesparks3967 Рік тому +27

    Beyond the mask is massively underrated. Videos are ALWAYS high quality and his content is consistent.

  • @buffyglimmers
    @buffyglimmers Рік тому +14

    these novels are everything i dreamed of i love slasher novels

  • @pintsizedpicasso3402
    @pintsizedpicasso3402 10 місяців тому +4

    Billy and Stu killing Himbry because they needed another mask is the PERFECT explanation!!!!!😱🤩

  • @leeandrew6555
    @leeandrew6555 Рік тому +10

    A really good thing about Scream is that Billy and Stu do everything for a good reason.

  • @Liberal_From_Prairies689
    @Liberal_From_Prairies689 Рік тому +10

    Billy killed him because the principal insulted him. So many of who Billy and Stu targeted was simply because they couldn’t handle criticism or rejection.

    • @dtomassone
      @dtomassone 11 місяців тому +1

      Too Sensitive

  • @ghostfacestreet6523
    @ghostfacestreet6523 Рік тому +8

    @1:22 omg look at how he wrote Caseys death

  • @christianblanco
    @christianblanco Рік тому +15

    Love your videos :)
    My guess to this answer was that he represented some sort of authority role that the pair wanted to destroy in order to cause more panic and instability in the community. On another note, it had also been quite a bit of screen time since the previous death
    I always wondered as well why they moved him all the way to the goalposts, but more importantly how they were not caught!

    • @TheRealSephiroth
      @TheRealSephiroth Рік тому +3

      I think billy showed up at stu's house late cuz he spent the last few hours dealing with himbrys corpse and when he got there he saw tatum was there and recognized shed be a problem so he took her out first by having stu ask for another beer to get her into the garage away from the party. 🤯

    • @BehindTheBush96
      @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

      @@TheRealSephirothdid the original script say Billy told Stu to ask Tatum to get him another beer? Cause in the movie, it was just Stu who asked her to get one, not Billy. And I thought BehindTheMask stated in one of his videos that it was Stu that killed Tatum?

    • @TheRealSephiroth
      @TheRealSephiroth Місяць тому

      @@BehindTheBush96 it didnt say that but its meant to be implied. Also it would have been impossible for stu to do the deed cuz 1 he was with everyone else and 2 it wouldnt have took that long to get beer and 3 the killer went into the house and stu being with everyone would have been the perfect distraction. Billy would only be showing up at the front door later to make himself look good. Its meant to throw everyone off into thinking hes not the killer. But thats just my guess.

  • @KingAceHernandez1291
    @KingAceHernandez1291 Рік тому +9

    Here's my question whatever happened to hank loomis during billys death

    • @tishypoo
      @tishypoo Рік тому +1

      I always wonder that too! He would be the perfect next ghostface 🔪

  • @JazzyJeffRealTalk
    @JazzyJeffRealTalk Рік тому +7

    I always thought that was the most random murder in the whole movie, and it made no sense. Why would they risk doing that during the day

  • @megcollier3588
    @megcollier3588 Рік тому +7

    I’m glad you’re doing more videos like this, your writing is seriously impressive.

  • @Tenn80
    @Tenn80 Рік тому +4

    Himbry was killed because they needed to get the teens out of the house and the was about 30 minutes were no one dies. This was from Wes Craven.

    • @BehindTheBush96
      @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

      This is what I always thought and what I still thought after watching this.
      I feel like killing him over a mask that they could’ve easily stolen from him or probably half of the other students at school is a pretty weak argument and really not worth the risk, and Billy and Stu seem to think things through too carefully to kill someone for something that could be done another way much easier.
      Usually BehindTheMask has pretty convincing logic in his theories, but I’m not seeing any in this argument that Principal Himbry was killed just for the mask that everyone else also had.

  • @davidwalker3198
    @davidwalker3198 Рік тому +4

    Once again, amazing work from Beyond The Mask. I managed to pause on the sections you shared from Casey's death and that looks just as awesome my friend.

  • @StarshineGoomba
    @StarshineGoomba Рік тому +2

    Not gonna lie, the first time I watched the movie, I suspected Principal Himbry as the killer right up until he was killed himself. So I've always just looked at it as that theory being squashed early on and never even thought of more of a reason.

  • @avaria1538
    @avaria1538 Рік тому +15

    It was confirmed in commentary by Craven and Williamson that Himbry was killed after a footnote from the producer (he who shall not be named) that there was a huge gap between kills in the movie. Himbry was chosen not only to provide another death, but also to serve as a plot point to have the majority of teens vacate Stu’s house before the final act bloodbath.

    • @chrish2112
      @chrish2112 11 місяців тому +1

      Harvey Weinstein. He is named.

    • @TheRealNormanBates
      @TheRealNormanBates 10 місяців тому +1

      @@chrish2112 so it wasn't Voldemort? That's refreshing for a change.

    • @NeolightNight
      @NeolightNight 8 місяців тому +1

      @@chrish2112 It was actually Bob Weinstein, Harvey's brother.

    • @chrish2112
      @chrish2112 8 місяців тому

      @@NeolightNight That's not what we're talking about. Go back to bed.

    • @NeolightNight
      @NeolightNight 8 місяців тому

      @@chrish2112 Jeez, no need to be rude. I just thought you were saying that Harvey was the one who wanted a kill in the movie between Casey and Tatum's deaths. Sorry if I was mistaken (screw Harvey Weinstein btw).

  • @kencarson3451
    @kencarson3451 Рік тому +3

    He certainly was a creep towards Sidney in that one scene

  • @oliviav.3565
    @oliviav.3565 Рік тому +4

    I love this and I'm really looking forward to the novelization.
    I always kept it simple:
    Hey, killing your high school principal is just like killing your boss... everyone fantasizes about it, Billy and Stu made it happen.
    It was fun.

    • @TheRealNormanBates
      @TheRealNormanBates 10 місяців тому +1

      "Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?"

    • @oliviav.3565
      @oliviav.3565 10 місяців тому

      @@TheRealNormanBates
      Homer Simpson quote 😂

  • @mickcrump7799
    @mickcrump7799 Рік тому +1

    I thought that Himbry wasn’t meant to die in the film, but the Weinstein’s felt that there was too much time in the film between the murders of Casey and Steve and the next murders at Stu’s party. So, Kevin or Wes put together the murder of Principal Himbry to appease the producers and make it to where there is not a huge gap between killings in the movie as it was originally written to be.
    And to add to Scream’s meta nature, the original script for Scream 2 had the scene on the quad with Gale, Dewey, and Randy discussing who the next victim might be if they are copying the pattern of the original murders. Dewey states that Mr. Himbry was the next victim after Steve and Casey. Gale stops him and says that this was true in real life, but when she wrote her book, The Woodboro Murders, her editor and the studio had her remove Mr. Himbry’s death from the story and replace it with Tatum’s death. According to Gale, the editor and studio felt Tatum’s death would be more dramatic and fit the narrative of the book and movie better. This all was cut bc of script changes and leaks, but it’s a neat commentary regarding how the studio made the original film insert himbry’s death into the film to keep the tension going, and in the movie within a movie, Gale was asked to remove Himbry’s death bc Tatum’s death was believed to add more dramatic tension to Stab 1.

  • @TheComelyLads
    @TheComelyLads Рік тому +7

    I am absolutely reading this when it comes out.
    On a personal note, since you have done such an amazing job giving us a look at what happens off-camera, I hope you shed a light on how Stab winds up portraying the circumstances surrounding Casey's death. I would assume they are adapting the scene directly from Gale's book, but since everyone involved with that event is dead prior to Gale writing her book, it is kind of crazy how accurate that scene plays out in Stab/Woodsboro Murders (specifically what was said in the phonecalls).
    Did Billy keep a journal?
    How Gale knows/finds out has always intrigued me. Hope your work touches on that.

  • @garygecko8298
    @garygecko8298 Рік тому +3

    Just remember to put in all deleted scenes 'Beyond The Mask', otherwise you know some following scenes won't make a lick of any sense right?, or as Randy states 'Simplicity'

  • @dano_the_collector8421
    @dano_the_collector8421 Рік тому +2

    That was great yes I want a full novel of every behind the scenes moment added to the story from you.🙏🏻 bravo bravo 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻 I would read it even if its 1000 pages

  • @ChrisManley1994
    @ChrisManley1994 Рік тому +2

    I can't wait to read this novelization! It's gonna be great!

  • @rayraysully5486
    @rayraysully5486 Рік тому +1

    I love this and it just makes so much sense! I honestly would couple this with the distraction theory. But that Billy thought of the distraction plan after he had killed him.

  • @icaliver
    @icaliver Рік тому +2

    Well I am supportive for everyone’s interpretation of interlude of scenes but I lean hardly on Stu killing Billy simply to get himself (Stu) hype for the final act. Also The Jason character’s last name should be Walker to imply Charlie walker’s parentage were there during this event. Also Stu mentioned peer pressure I figure Billy and Stu must’ve spoke between classes with a cold and calm anger after Sidney’s argument he tells Stu “are you in or out of the third act?” Not wanting to let Billy down made his commitment clear. But that part of there only being 1 costume for the entire killing spree does add suspense for the villain which is nice done.
    Also the video you did with insert of Sam finding her mother’s diary should’ve played in the year book of the class of 1996 so Sam could satisfy curiosity of who Parents, Sid and her click were more over incidentally stumbled upon Christine’s diary.
    I remember seeing reading someone else novelization of Scream on a site while researching slasher genre in novels.
    Personally, I would love to read multiple novelizations of Scream. Everyone interprets art differently which should influence creativity to grow.

  • @darrelljones3965
    @darrelljones3965 Рік тому +2

    Anybody notice how himbry touched Sidney’s face when she was getting interrogated

  • @geefunkz5441
    @geefunkz5441 Рік тому +1

    Can't wait till the novelization come s out..

  • @arronhoffman7992
    @arronhoffman7992 Рік тому +2

    They wanted school to be out forever.

  • @miniworld82
    @miniworld82 3 місяці тому +1

    billy and stu were way too sensitive 😭😭

  • @michaeldoty1770
    @michaeldoty1770 Рік тому

    Ironically enough there was a house principal at my old high school everyone hated and if we didnt have police on campus, I could see someone doing this to him.

  • @mattevans58
    @mattevans58 Рік тому

    Will definitely be picking up these novels.

  • @graciesinclair305
    @graciesinclair305 2 місяці тому

    I love your theories speaking of which Ive been watching your videos and I saw the one with the original script that said Maureen had hurt billy and Stu and I like to think that it still able to be cannon for both plus Hanks affair but they were embarrassed to admit it and kept that part a secret.that being said, what if billy told himbry about what happened didnt do anything to help? And feeling betrayed by the on adult he confided in, Billy kills him. Also he may be delusioned into thinking that Sydney also knew and that's another reason he wanted her dead

  • @r.i.c.k.y-official
    @r.i.c.k.y-official Рік тому

    I wonder if Billy killed hank, we never see or hear about him again

  • @frankcaruso1113
    @frankcaruso1113 Рік тому +1

    I really like what you were going for, but there's a problem with Billy taking the mask from Himbry. Remember Himbry cut the mask with scissors earlier on? 🤔

    • @BehindTheBush96
      @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

      Right before Himbry got killed, it panned around his office to show his mask was still on his desk.
      But also, it showed the killer about to stab him and already wearing his mask and robe.

  • @Breeder87
    @Breeder87 Рік тому +1

    All because of the mask? C´mon... xD In my opinion Principle Himbry´s death is diversion to get the people away from the party. The call at the party about Himbrys death has to be Billy or Stu with the voice changer.

  • @YuriNikolayavich
    @YuriNikolayavich Рік тому +1

    He knew too much, there lol

  • @certified_l0ser
    @certified_l0ser 5 місяців тому

    I thought it was too distract the people at the party while billy and stu inact their plan

  • @TheRealNormanBates
    @TheRealNormanBates 10 місяців тому +1

    I liked how Craven made "The Fonz" a red herring, as he had one of the most basic slasher motivations to kill the high school kids (resentment; jealousy/envy of lost youth; condescension of youthful stupidity/naivety) only to get whacked as a side kill. I was suspecting him as the killer up to that moment... it's kind of like watching *Tenebrae* for the first time.

  • @vanitas456
    @vanitas456 11 місяців тому

    Seems that himbry did want to help Billy with his issues

  • @Retrospective_YT
    @Retrospective_YT Рік тому +4

    There wasn't really much of a reason it was to lure everyone from stus party and they had the party in the first place to attract Sidney and Tatum there

    • @bubba8751
      @bubba8751 Рік тому +1

      This man just came up with something better

    • @BehindTheBush96
      @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

      @@bubba8751that’s not better - probably about half the school had that mask, it would’ve been far less effort to just steal it out of someone’s locker or out of Himbry’s office than kill him over it and go through all the trouble of dragging him to the football oval AND lifting him up to hang him on top of the goalposts.
      That was obviously done with the intention to attract the attention of the students and make them want to leave the party to go and look at it, so they could kill Sidney. Also,
      I’m assuming it was Billy who called to tell everyone Himbry was hung on the goalposts right after he did it, not the police, because the police wouldn’t want a crowd and would be trying to hide the body from the public - so this was deliberately done this way because attracting everyone’s attention was the purpose for Himbry’s murder and the way he was displayed.

  • @theskullkidd3823
    @theskullkidd3823 Рік тому

    Can't wait to read it

  • @user-rl2rw3tp6s
    @user-rl2rw3tp6s Рік тому +2

    It was also a distraction for the police and everyone at the party 🎈 in stu house

  • @DadeRich720
    @DadeRich720 Рік тому

    Facts

  • @Art.0606
    @Art.0606 8 місяців тому

    When will the Scream Novel drop?

  • @ethandoyle4978
    @ethandoyle4978 Рік тому +3

    Dang this explains a lot of what Billy was really thinking
    Also good luck with the novels , I’m looking forward to reading them.
    Will they be on fanfiction?

    • @BeyondTheMask
      @BeyondTheMask  Рік тому

      Thank you! They'll be available on Amazon Kindle.

  • @spqr05
    @spqr05 Рік тому +1

    Principal dies
    SCHOOLS OUT FOREVER

  • @joshfactor1
    @joshfactor1 Рік тому +2

    who's jason wallace?

    • @tishypoo
      @tishypoo Рік тому

      I think it was that one kid who ran down the hall screaming towards Stu, Tatum, and Sydney in the ghostface costume

  • @Sarah-fo3qf
    @Sarah-fo3qf Рік тому

    Are your books out yet? I would love to purchase!

  • @mistahdoodles2192
    @mistahdoodles2192 Рік тому +2

    First and early

  • @mauricemcfadgen1517
    @mauricemcfadgen1517 Рік тому

    But wasn't he killed right after taking the mask from the two students??

  • @abbaskazmi2558
    @abbaskazmi2558 Рік тому

    Buddy you're forgetting the periods inside the quotes.

  • @zacharwalk
    @zacharwalk Рік тому +1

    Why do you think Mickie wanted haillie Dead in scream 2

    • @jamespope7669
      @jamespope7669 Рік тому +1

      Cause there's always some bs reason to kill your girlfriend, simplicity 😂

  • @prestonjones4941
    @prestonjones4941 Рік тому

    I thought Himbry cut that mask in half

  • @BehindTheBush96
    @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

    Usually your theories are pretty good, but this theory is way too weak and Billy wouldn’t have gone through the trouble of killing Himbry AND dragging him all the way to the football field to lift him up onto the goalposts - just to get a mask off of him that he couldn’t stolen from Himbry’s office after-hours or stolen from half of the school’s lockers. He did it to draw attention and lead most of the students away from the party for long enough to get to Sidney.
    Plus, Billy was already wearing the mask when he was about to kill Himbry. And the camera panned around his office right before he got stabbed and showed Himbry’s mask was still on his desk at that time.

  • @nunka34ify
    @nunka34ify 10 місяців тому

    He murdered Himbry because he’s a psychopath and wants to kill

  • @smackedem2016
    @smackedem2016 11 місяців тому

    Is the book out now

  • @That_guy611
    @That_guy611 Рік тому

    Ur Story shouldn’t Have billy as the killer but still have billy in it

  • @WarrenGonzalez-c1o
    @WarrenGonzalez-c1o Місяць тому

    Billy was scary

  • @JaceTLittle
    @JaceTLittle Рік тому

    Always enjoy your videos but just fyi principal is the spelling not principle

  • @s.o.c.c.5027
    @s.o.c.c.5027 10 місяців тому

    Nice story mate. I think Stu was actually the one who killed the principal though. But this was something they should have put in the movie.

  • @Buckshotshorty1221
    @Buckshotshorty1221 Рік тому

    Insane! Wow

  • @JhalinJohnson
    @JhalinJohnson 4 місяці тому

    This was so crazy. Before I came to this video I came to the same conclusion that Billy killed him for another mask since Stu left his on Sidney’s door step. The theory that he killed him to get the last of the party guest out of the house was unrealistic even in movie nature because they couldn’t have predicted who was gonna leave and who wasn’t but surprisingly it worked out.

    • @BehindTheBush96
      @BehindTheBush96 Місяць тому

      It wasn’t unrealistic to assume that the almost ALL of the teenagers (being the way that teenagers are, either their curiosity for all things morbid and curiosity in general, and given how they’d all been drinking and partying) would all want to see a dead body for themselves - and similar things have happened in real-life murder cases. Read about Ricky Kasso and the murder he committed, and how he had gone around telling everyone about the body and how dozens of school kids had decided to go and have a look at the body before one kid overheard enough people talking about it to actually (anonymously) report it to the police.
      If you know what teenagers are like, Himbry’s murder serving the sole intention and purpose to lead most of the other kids out of the house isn’t an unlikely theory. It doesn’t matter if it didn’t get every single kid to leave the house - they were still willing to kill Tatum in the house when all the partygoers were still inside, there’s no reason they wouldn’t be willing to kill Sidney when almost everyone is gone, or to just find a way to get her to leave to another room without any of the remaining partygoers so they could kill her.
      Plus, I believe Wes himself also confirmed this is why Billy killed Himbry.

  • @2012banksnb
    @2012banksnb Рік тому

    I thought it was just a distraction

  • @tony997
    @tony997 Рік тому +1

    Cuz himbry was a hardass most likely

  • @myersfan5043
    @myersfan5043 Рік тому +1

    First

  • @troybrown7348
    @troybrown7348 Рік тому +1

    Principle Himbry should have a son that wants to kill Sam for her father killing his. Imagine he had a young child we don’t know about and he wants revenge. Sidney had nothing to do with it and billy is dead so it would only make sense to target sam and Tara. Billy stabbed him brutally and hung him from the goal post. Idk bout y’all but if someone did that to my father I’d want revenge fr

  • @psychedelicicecream3613
    @psychedelicicecream3613 Рік тому

    Its been confirmed they added that kill last minute to get the teens outta the party

  • @BBULLSHlT
    @BBULLSHlT Рік тому +1

    Fan fic is cool.

  • @NoCallerID70457
    @NoCallerID70457 5 місяців тому

    "Admirable, if Himbry wasn'f such a #### all the time" yeah, here's a tip: Change that fucking word to something less disgusting.