Breville Oracle Touch - Good / bad espresso flow & dialing-in
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- In this video, I try to show what good and bad flow looks like so that if you don't have a scale or measured shot glasses, you can identify what is wrong with your shot and correct it. Brewing without a scale is tricking, so knowing what right looks like is critical.
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I love your videos, they actually helped me decide to get the Oracle Touch instead of the Oracle. You have helped me learn so much more about my machine and you are my Go To Source
Exactly the video I needed! Dialling in our Oracle Touch has not been easy, although we have settled on around a 19 setting, so it's reassuring that you are on 20. Now I want to get the hopper off and check the conical burr setting...
You have made the instructions so much easier for me to understand. I purchased all the accessories you linked in your other video. Thank you Coffee Wiser!
Thank you for watching. I plan to post a video on new accessories that I have bought over the last year. You may find some of them useful. Take care.
Thank you, your videos are so helpful! I'm expecting my Oracle Touch on Monday, I can't wait to get it.
Thank you for your comment. Congratulations to you! I hope you love it!
The best video I have seen so far on how to get the best expresso from the Barista Touch ! Thanks 👍😁
Thank you very much for your comment. Have a great day!
Because I love how simple and detailed your videos are. All about the coffee (plus I have the same machine) new subscriber
Thank you very much for watching. Have a great day!
This was a very productive and entertaining espresso process. Thanks for your effort.
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Indeed another in-depth, very instructive video and without any comedy-nonsense around it, just down to business. Much appreciated!
Love your videos - keep up the good work
Thank you! More videos coming next week.
Thanks for the demos. I have this machine and I'm troubleshooting using your help!
What kind of issues do you have? It would be great if you can share so we can learn of common issues with the machine, and what works and doesn't work. Thank you!
@@CoffeeWiser what seemed like an issue was fixed by buying good, fresh, coffee beans. Like night and day! So I do recommend that first: avoid supermarket beans! V:)
@@emilferent23 Great feedback, thank you! Fresh beans indeed make a world of difference!
Thank you your great videos. I bought one based on your videos and trying it out.
Congratulations! I hope you love your new machine.
@@CoffeeWiser thank you. I am trying the settings based on your great videos.
@@CoffeeWiser hi, I have the Oracle touch now for more over then 1 week. The coffee I get out of it is super inconsistent. It varies so much per shot, I follow the method you laid out with scale and everything. Your video was super helpful. But I wanted the oracle so I had most stuff automated, but the reality is that I almost did everything myself. I am returning it and getting a full manual E61.
Very helpful...thank you!
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hi tx for the great video..I m also looking for an expresso machine.Me and my wife love latte flat white cappucino so we decided at dual boiler machines...We come up with the oracle touch.First impression was expensive but the idea sounds uniqe and machine features are great..The machine warming time is really impressive..maybe the fastest dual boiler machine at the market..And this is one of the most important thing for us as home users..The automated milk frothing and the amazing milk results also one of the other most important reasons..
But after some digging we come up with some serious problems..first and maybe one of the most important question is the grinder..What grinder is placed inside?İs it breville smart grinder pro or some other low quality grinder? The question "oracle touch is a great espresso machine with a useless grinder?"
Second question is the consistency as you mentioned before.This is an expansive machine and have to be consistent without any excuses.Getting an espresso shot from a 2500 dollar machine should not like rolling a dice..
So we are at the starting line again..Looking for a dual boiler machine.A good and consistant espresso machine which warms fast and creates beautiful milk foams..
Please help guys..Budget is about 2000-2500 dollar.. Any suggestions?
This was super helpful!
Thank you for watching!
Great and helpful video. I am going to try the setting of 20. I have the machine below yours the Barista Touch
Thank you for watching. The most important variables are using fresh beans (with a "roasted on xxx" date, and not a "use by xxx" date) less than two weeks from roasting, and focusing on nice, smooth flow. Adjust to any settings you need so you get nice flow.
"Flowing like a mouse tail" LOL I really liked that description.
Thanks
Thank you for your comment. It looks like it doesn't it?
Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching!
Loving all your videos, I’ve seen pretty much all of them involving the Oracle Touch. I’m trying to follow your videos and attempting to pull a good shot of espresso using medium roast beans (not fresh). Using a grind setting of 13, I managed to put a half decent shot and the next day I used the exact same settings and I got a very over extracted shot. Do you know why this could be?
Beans can change over time. Leaving them in the hopper, exposed to light exposed to air can change how they brew
Thanks for great videoes ! Still new in this, but now i Got the mashine 😊
Can u tell more about the grinder burre? (The grinder under the coffee-been holder). What does it do when you change the settings in there? What is the optimal settings? Do you change this Daily, or do you just change the grinder on the side if you need to ajust on a Daily base?
My focus is to make great expresso and great amricano 😊
The adjustment in the burr is to make really large adjustments. I have never adjusted mine because all my brewing is done between 19 and 23, so I have a lot of room to go up and down with the knob on the side of the machine. However, I have answered some people before who were grinding at 5 and still couldn’t slow down their flow. This is when you change the burr settings by one or two so that you can get back to grinding around 20 and adjust from the side know. I hope this helps and I hope you are making wonderful expressos and americanos!!
Beautiful
Thank you for your kind comments!
Hey there, great videos, thank you.
I use a double filter with 20g coffee and I use the "Single" option when brewing.
What exactly is the difference between "Single" and "Double" brewing options?
Is it just the brewing time that changes here? Or does the amount of pressure also change?
The only difference between the single and double brewing option is the time. By default, one is 25 seconds and the other 30 seconds if I recall. To avoid having to make a selection, I created a custom drink and I have mine set to 35 seconds, and then I weigh my shots. You can also adjust the settings for "single" to however many seconds you want, this way you can continue to select single. With the Double basket, if you are using a medium roast bean, you should be brewing for about 28s to 30s.
Can anyone assist me with lighter roasts? I’ve seen and read that this machine is better with dark roast beans but light roast, third wave coffee is just the profile i prefer. Really struggling to get a good shot. I’ve got the settings to a point where I’m getting a good looking flow, extraction and time but the coffee is horribly sour. Recently I burned through 250g of beans running from setting 14 - 26 with really unsatisfactory results. Any advice, other than get dark roast beans, is welcome.
Hi, Thanks for you great videos, do you have any idea why my machine do not produce a fine ground? Only course and if I make it fine it stops producing a ground, is it possible the burr is worn out?
I had my machine for 2 years with at least 2 cups of coffee a day
It's possible that the burrs wore out, but you may need to just adjust your conical burr settings. Take a look at this video and set your grinder to a finer burr setting: ua-cam.com/video/1lGFJoI77T4/v-deo.html. Also, if your machine is less than 2 years old, it may still be under warranty, in which case Breville would take care of it. I hope this helps!
Hi I’m wondering what could be wrong with my machine. I usually do manual and select 22 seconds and it’s been sounding like coffee should be coming out but nothing comes out until the very end I’ll get a few drops. I’ll run a cleaning cycle and it will work for a day and then it will do the same thing again
Great videos, I have a question for you that looks like really know the Oracle. I have noticed that my shots using the same coffee and grind number (7) and on a (6) on the grind cone) so my shots are not consistent. Sometimes I only get 4 g of liquid when using 21 grams of grind coffee, sometimes I get 60 grams of liquid coffee. Any idea or tips. I’m new with this machine only using it for a month. Thank you in advance and keep up the good work with your Chanel.
4g to 60g is a really wide range. Are you getting this with the same coffee beans? if you are switching beans from dark to light, you could get this variation because light beans brew MUCH differently than dark. I have some consistency issue, but usually it is just by 5g on the espresso yield when I use the same coffee.
Appreciate your vids. I’m getting way too much yield and don’t know what’s wrong. Getting 19-20g in filter with a 20 grind setting, 6 on burr grinder. Flow begins around 10 secs. Finish at 30. Its yielding 82g. It should be 38-40g yield right? How can I adjust?
Yes, you are right, that is way too much. Are you using fresh coffee? I have experience excess flow on stale beans. My first thought is to buy new coffee, medium roast, with a roast date not older than 7 days from the day you purchase.
If that doesn't work, it may be worth adjusting the burr setting by two (so from 6 to 4) and then trying to brew again. I like to keep my normal grind settings around 20-22 so that I still have range to go up and down, so the burr settings are a nice option for big adjustments. If 4 on the burrs is not enough, maybe try 2 or 3. If that doesn't work, your burrs may be dull, depending on the age of the machine, or the machine could have a more complicated issue.
Thank you very much my brother for this video give me more about this machine
Thank you for your comment Ali! Have a great day!
Hey there, great videos.
I’ve found the first coffee of the day from my oracle has had bad flow. I’m using fresh coffee :(
If I get a bad flow and simply start again, I get 60ml from a double basket.
The first is also a little different for me. Flushing the grouphead doesn't make a difference, so I don't think it is water temperature. I wonder if it is because the beans sitting on the burrs while the machine warms up will be a different temperature (much warmer) than the beans in the hopper. When pulling consecutive shots, I don't think the beans that follow the first shot have time to warm up as much as the beans that sat on the burrs for eight minutes while the machine warmed up. What do you think?
@@CoffeeWiser possibly - I had my machine replaced and since then it has been a lot better but it is something I can still notice. The old machine def had an issue with the first grind. I’d get a single shot worth of coffee opposed to a double.
@@amurray85 Interesting. Well I hope you have a better time with the new machine. Please share your experience if the problem gets worse. Have a great day!
Hello, i have same coffee machine as yours , but would like to know more info on what you have done all ready .
1. What water boiling temperature is setted up?
2.How you change your time on extraction , my machine is setted up for 25 seconds ( no less no more )
3. What number you have used for grinding coffee beans ( between 1-45)
1. For light roast, I recommend 204F, for medium roast, I recommend 200F, and for dark 196F.
2. The single button is setup for 25s. If you press the "single" button, it will change to "double," which is setup for 30s. If you want to customize it, I go over all the setting is this video: ua-cam.com/video/hpYDXmlN4v8/v-deo.html
3. I usually drink medium roast, and I have my grind settings at between 19 and 22, depending on the day. My burr setting is on 6 (you can see what is the burr settings in this video at the 6:17 mark: ua-cam.com/video/UE1kL1j_khU/v-deo.html). Keep in mind that every machine is different, so my settings may not work for you. Also, settings will vary based on the type of beans and roast you are using.
I hope this helps, have a great day!
Such a perfect video!!! Sorry for the newbie question but if I want to get 1 espresso of 30ml with a single cup under the 2 sprouts. What settings would you recommend? It seems that my 30ml cup gets filled after only 15sec extraction time...
Thank for your comment. For your 30ml espresso, are you using the the single basket or the double basket? And on the machine, I assume that you press “single” if you are using the single basket? Does 30ml include the crema? Using ml is tricky because with really fresh coffee, you will have a lot more body and crema. 30ml is probably close to 20g, since my 40g shots are normally around 60ml. 15s is probably a little fast for 30ml; if I recall, The default Breville setting for the “single” option is 25s, with a recommended 20 to 25s. I am happy to provide more feedback if you can tell me a little more info. Have great day!
@@CoffeeWiser so I tried the single basket but found it difficult to fit enough coffee in it so now I'm sticking to the double.
I use standard barista espresso cups which are quite small they can't hold more than 40ml max I'd say.
I use the single function.
At the moment I've the lavazza gold selection beans which are "apparently" medium roasted.
I made probably 15 different attempts this morning. It's ok but still not perfect. Current settings are grind at 3 (fine) for 15sec which gives me 16gr of coffee. The coffee starts pouring after 7sec and it takes 15sec to fill 40ml
@@FroggyShave The double basket is definitely the way to go; it is more consistent, and produces better and stronger shots.
Have you tried to grind finer? maybe a 2, to slow down the extraction just a little more. And also, if you have two espresso cups, you can put one under each spout to collect more liquid, although I think with 40ml you are pretty close. In general, for a medium roast, 1 to 2 ratio works pretty well (with personal taste being the ultimate guide). So with 16g of ground coffee, try to aim for 32g of espresso, which I think would be about 47ml, without counting the crema. The crema will fluctuate based on the freshness of your coffee. If you want to record a video, I am happy to take a look. You can send it to everydaycoffeelife@gmail.com. Have a great day!
@@CoffeeWiser I think I got an ok setting now to get a 35gr coffee cup. Grind 2 for 17sec and brew for 22sec
Froggy Shave, awesome! Those settings sound good. Have a great weekend!
Hi! Good video.
For dialing in, you use single or double brew option?
I always use double because I only use the double basket. If you use the small basket, you can use the single brew option.
Very nice video, thank you for that! Could you please let me know your settings? I think the grinder under the hopper was at 6,then your extraction time was set to 28sec, so what was the grind setting on the dial? I know it might need adjustment depending on what kind of coffee you are using, but it is always useful to have a starting point and go from there.I always use a medium roast blend.
I love this machine, but I cannot still figure out WHY do I get sometimes a COMPLETELY different cup of espresso, WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING!!!!!! Same settings,same beans,just a few hours after a nice cup of espresso,I might get an under extracted or over extracted one....
Anyway, thank you very much for your help
Thank you for your comment. The grind settings are listed at the 6 min mark in the video: for my good shot, I was at a 20. For a medium roast, I always start at 20 and adjust from there.
I also experience inconsistencies with my shots, just like you with the same beans, same settings, and even same day! Here are my theories:
- Grinder is inconsistent. I’ve read that some conical burrs will shift depending on heat. So your first grind could behave differently than your third grind in the same session, and differently later that day depending on ambiant temperature. Specifically, I have noticed that my grind setting will shift “automatically” overnight or later that day. In other words, I will leave the machine at 20, and when I turn it on again, it is at 19 or 21. I have concluded that the machine reflects the actually spacing of the burrs depending on the effect of heat or cold. Have you seen that happen? I’ve also heard that conical burr grinders can produce different size grinds because it starts loaded so the fists few beans are grinded at a different velocity than other beans that enter the hopper when the burrs are already spinning. I don’t buy that as a factor though because most grinders start full and it doesn’t seem to be a problem.
- Storing beans in the hopper make them go stale faster. Also, I have noticed that after the machine is on for some time, if I remove the hopper, the beans that are sitting on the burrs are very warm, whereas the rest of the beans in the hopper are not, so I wonder if they behave different when grinded if they are warm vs cool. This could be why my first shot is always a little different than the rest. I use the auto start set for 20 minutes before I plan to use the machine, so maybe the beans sitting on the burrs get too hot.
- if you are using super fresh beans, they degas quite a bit the first few days, and could feasibly alter the grind setting day to day, or even within hours?
- Tamp fan inconsistencies / dosing. I’ve been pretty surprised with the consistency of the tamping BUT I have been less impressed with the consistency of the dose. I would say that your shot fluctuations are more than likely from a dose fluctuation. I’ve seen my machine produce 3 dose/tamp right at 20 (19.8, 20.0, 20.1), and then one at 21.1?? I know this because I weight almost every dose with the large scale shown in the video. An extra gram will really change a shot because it adds much more resistance for the water to get through, especially in a basket of 18g to 22g. Same situation if the tamp fan underdoses; you will have a fast shot. This is tricky because I think most users assume a consistent dose, but it’s not always the case. Are you measuring your doses regularly? It would be a good experiment to see if a stray dose is causing your inconsistent shots.
- Temperature fluctuations in the group head? I always flush the group head before brewing, but I haven’t had a chance to consistently measure the temperature coming out of the group head. I’ve done it only once, and it didn’t seem out of tolerance.
I recently bought a separate flat burr grinder to compare with the Oracle grinder and tamp fan. I will post videos on that over the next few weeks as I experiment. My goal is to try to isolate the issue to a specific variable. I am not sure if it’s possible but I will try. Have a great day!
Hi guys, isnt this all very disappointing for a 2100 (euro's in my case) machine? I would really expect more consistancy with such an expensive machine, or am i wrong?
Hi,
Thank you for the very detailed reply my friend.
Indeed I do get different grind settings on the dial some times when I switch on the machine in the morning.
I have also started weighing my ground coffee as you suggested and I found it can vary sometimes between 20g-22g! I must say though most of the times it was 21g.
I also found (I might be wrong) that I do get a different quantity of liquid if I leave the machine switched on for too long to warm up?
Anyway, when I decided to give away my fully automatic bean to cup machine to buy this one, I thought I was going to have every day the same beautiful cup of espresso that I have in the weekends at the small artisan cafe in town.... Obviously not!!! Consistency is a problem with this machine, but on the other hand, maybe that's the beauty of it in a way, as to me it would be kind of boring if it was as consistent as a Nesspresso pod machine... :)))
@@CoffeeWiser hi there, when you say you were at a 20, is this the grind size on the left of the machine? Thanks in advance!
Also my experience, between 19 and 21 depending on beans, good flow, about 1 in 2 out in around 30 seconds.
Thank you for your comment. That is very close to what I get. Lately, I have been grinding a tad finer and pushing my brews to 32-33s, and I find that I get a little bit more sweetness out of the medium roast beans I am using now. This may not work for your beans, but it may be worth a try. Have a great day!
@@CoffeeWiser Funny you should say this, I've just gone finer as my beans have changed, I'm down to 17, 1 in, just over 2 out in around 32 seconds, my new beans specify 24 grams in, 50 grams
out in 32 seconds. They know their beans. lol.
Hi your video has been so helpful for me to improve my Oracle touch machine, I'm setting the grind to 17, seems already pretty fine, and the coffee come out at 9s, all seems fine, but the actual flow looks under extracted thin, for the default 25s, I'll get 1:3~4 ratio of the final coffee. Do you have any suggestions how to adjust for this? Thanks very much
Are you using fresh coffee? That is the first requirement. I start to notice significant fluctuations when the coffee reaches 12 days after roasting. The older the coffee, the finer I have to grind to slow down the flow.
Otherwise, it seems like you could try to grind finer. Each bean is different, so 17 may not be fine enough for the coffee you are using. If you are getting 1:3 ratio or more in just 25s, your flow is way too fast. You should get 1:2 ratio in 30s for medium roast, using the double basket. I hope this helps!
@@CoffeeWiser Thanks very much for your reply, I bought the bean fresh, tho it's from a local coffee store, it's their fresh stock but may not be that freshly roasted indeed. I tried grind finer to 12-14, is this too fine? It did slow the flow and I could get a 1:2 ratio in about ~28s. I'll try a freshly roasted bag of beans when I finish this current one then. Thanks again!
@@Erica-gj7fv hi !! i have the same problem. did you get the right setting? what have you achieved? thank you very much. please help me.
@@alvaroguez Hi, yes, changing the grind would help, and it largely depends on the beans. Don't be afraid to adjust the grind, there are so many numbers for a reason, feel free to adjust it to a smaller number. The beans also matter, even for the same beans, just-opened ones and one-week-old ones, the flow changes. I started using store-available ones, then the grind number doesn't match up with all the coffee bloggers, but after I changed it to locally roasted ones (like something roasted within a week), the grind number starts to make more sense. Also, the machine is not always stable, usually, my second cup is the best cup, and the first one is usually much thinner. Hopefully, this helps, and after using it every day for a while, it doesn't bother me much anymore, as long as the coffee comes out lol.
@@Erica-gj7fv wowwww thank you so much for this excepcional anwser. !
Can you talk about tamping force and time in the settings?whats the influence on your flow?
Daniel Ferland, as far as I know, the tamping force is not adjustable on the Oracle Touch. But I have to say that the machine tamps the puck well, almost every time. I think the tamp fan is not always consistent with dose, which will definitely affect your flow, but the tamping is very consistent on this machine, so the tamping should not impact flow. If you were tamping , manually then the common wisdom is to use 30 lbs of pressure (or a calibrated tamper that automatically releases at 30lbs of pressure) or just using a distributor tool (many people don’t even tamp anymore).
@@CoffeeWiser I have the Oracle "not touch", it has a "tamp set" for force (1 to 9) and time (2-10 sec), that's why I was asking
When you talk about your extraction time. Is that OVERALL or after it starts flowing?
Overall. You want to measure time overall.
Not everything has to do with the coffee or grind level. It could be internally too such as the flow meter.
Any idea why flow still looks like its flowing too fast despite adjusting burs to 3, and making it fine grind?
You probably need to adjust the conical burr setting. Take a look at this video: ua-cam.com/video/1lGFJoI77T4/v-deo.html
How come mine comes out different measurements everyday
On your good extraction, how long before the flow started? Breville recommends flow starts between 8-12 seconds. Not sure if you'd remember, but what's the flow start when you recorded this video?
My flow usually starts around 9-10 seconds.
great video.. was the 28 seconds from first drop or including pre-infusion? The manual says flow should start between 8-12 seconds and I've tried for figure out if I'm looking for 28 seconds after first drop or total.. I've seen some who measure shot times from first drop and that seems a long time with pre-infusion on top of it.
Great question. I use the timer on the touch screen, so it includes pre-infusion. 28s is the total time from pressing the button to start brewing and pressing the button to stop brewing (or until you hit your pre-programmed time. Pre-infusion works well, and 8-12 seconds is about right before you see the first drop. Lastly, of note, if you use manual mode (holding the brew button until it says manual), there is no pre-infusion at all.
You are right, there are lots of ways to time the shot, but ultimately it comes down to taste. 28s total has worked well for me for medium roast.
I can't get a good expresso with the machine. Can you tell me your great settings?
I usually grind my medium roast between 19 and 21, depending on how the flow looks. My internal burr setting is at 6. But I think every machine is different, so you may have to dial in by flow, or by brew ratio and weight.
Most importantly make sure u are using third wave coffee instead of second wave.
What is the perfect grind setting for the espresso for this particular machine I can’t seem to find it lol
There is no single perfect grind settings. You will have to adjust the settings depending on the type of coffee (light, medium, dark) you are using, and how fresh it is. Ultimately, the most important is to have a nice slow flow. I recommend watching the Good / Bad flow video that I made. Don’t worry about weighing things for now; just adjust your grind settings until you have beautiful flow like in the video and cut it off at 28 seconds (for medium roast).
Thank you very much my brother
My device is Breville be990
The maximum temperature of 96°F and the maximum degree of milk evaporation is75°F
I Can I raise the temperature higher Little above
I could not warm up more than 96 ° F
I can’t Not available in settings
Please, my brother, give me an explanation
When is the last time that you descaled your machine? And do you have hard water where you live? I have read that an accumulation of scale in the machine can cause these kinds of things.
Is it normal for water to be stuck inside the portafilter? I hear it rattling around inside.
When do you hear the portafilter rattling? When you are brewing?
Is it 28 seconds from the time you hit start or when you get your first drop?
28 seconds from the time I hit start, or about 18 seconds from the first drop.
What is the max grind setting for the Oracle?
The side knob goes from 0 to 40. Inside the grinder, you can also adjust the burr settings from 1 to 10.
Does this work for breville barista touch?
Good flow should look smooth and slow, like mouse tails, and gradually change color, no matter what machine your are using. The tips in the video should apply to the Barista Touch.
How you control the flow in the Breville.
The primary way is to reduce or increase the grind size by turning the knob on the left side of the machine.
It looks like time for me to ditch the Barista Touch and get an Oracle or Oracle Touch. I am convinced that the heating element on the lower end models just aren't as effective and reliable as the real boilers. I am testing a Phillips Lattego fully automated vs the Barista Touch, and the espresso using the same beans are coming out with much less sourness. The water temp of the coffee in the cup from the Phillips is 160-170F, compared to 140-145F in the Barista Touch.
I am very sorry you are having issues with the Barista Touch, but it’s great that you are able to compare it with another machine and confirm that their is definitely an issue with the water temperature. 160-170F for the Phillips still seems low for brewing, even if we add 10F of potential heat loss between the group head and the cup. I wonder if that will limit the potential of the machine as well? I haven’t checked the temperature on the Oracle Touch since last time when I got close to 190F in the cup. I will check again today.
I just responded to another comment on the flow video I just posted that describes some of the inconsistencies I have with the machine. The Oracle Touch machine is great but has its quirks!
Breville should be paying you to make these videos. Keep em coming!
@@CoffeeWiser I'm eyeing the Oracle (non touch). But I think you can't change the coffee dosage that gets dispensed on the Oracle (non touch). Is the Oracle Touch similar to the Barista Touch that allows change of dosage by time that it dispenses?
armaniusmaximus, the only way to change the dose on the Oracle Touch (and I think the Oracle too) is to adjust the height of the tamp fan with a wrench. I have a video on that. I think it’s called adjusting the tamp fan to change your dose. It is not hard to do, but not convenient if you want to make a small adjustment to the dose. After you adjust the height, you have to weigh the dose, and adjust the tamp fan again, then weigh again until you reach the dose you want. It is one of the biggest drawbacks of the machine.
@@CoffeeWiser I'm perplexed that Breville allows for dosage change in its cheaper machines but not in the two most expensive models. I wonder if that is done so that there is no need to add some type of processor to auto calculate and adjust the tamp pressure depending on the coffee dosage set by the user.
Did you mess with the tamp / pre infuse settings at all?
I have adjusted the tamp fan many times in the past, mostly to get as close as possible to a 20g dose. I have not tried to change the default pre-infusion because I am happy with it. I have tried the manual brew setting before, which removes pre-infusion, and my results were far not nearly as good as with the default pre-infusion.
@@CoffeeWiser somehow i never get it to dose under 24gr, no matter how much threads are showing in the adjustment screw inside the tamper. any advice on that?
@@nikolaosunikgiannulidis8800 Are you using the original double basket that came with your machine? Also, are you using fresh coffee (with a "roasted on" date)?
Basket vary in their volume, so if you use if bigger filter basket, you will get a bigger dose before the tamp fan senses enough pressure to stop.
Different types of coffee and different freshness will dose differently.
I also noticed that it can take time for the machine to adjust the pressure after an adjustment. I cannot understand why. Did you try to grind for a few days without making any adjustments? My machine starts to normalize after a few shots at a new adjustment.
I think you’re confusing over and under extraction.
Exactly. This was the first thing I noticed. If water is sprinting through coffee it is washing out everything in the fast pace. So you are OVER-extracting. And on the other hand - if your puck is too dense (ground too fine) - water will flow slowly and will not be able to extract all the good stuff from coffee - UNDER-extracted.
@@harry2517 No, if water flows too easy your not extracting enough “flavors” from the coffee. That’s why it’s called under extraction.
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I have this machine. Grinds are 10 to 15% variance and the yield is from 1:1.5 to 1:3 which is crazy and no changes in the machine. No way this machine is even remotely consistent. This machine makes most coffee drinks well EXCEPT espresso. Because the other drinks are not consistency dependent
There are definitely inconsistencies, I do agree. When using an external grinder, my shots are perfectly consistent. Also, if you remove the tamp fan, grind directly into the portafilter, and prep the puck manually, the shots are also quite consistent. So... I am sure now that the issue is the tamp fan, which I believe controls the dose my pressure sensing.
Nevertheless, I have enjoyed this machine for almost three years now. It has been fun, but I am probably going back to a fully manual machine.
@@CoffeeWiser I might try manual tamping but given I mostly drink americano or milk based drinks the inconsistency is mostly irrelevant now. I can’t work out why it’s this way but if you want espresso then a different machine is likely better option
Very helpful, thanks!
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