I know right, God’s wrath is so terrible that he promotes the genocide of children and women. And he promotes sexual slavery of children also. I get goosebumps thinking about it as well.
@@vetzrah4437 who the heck said you this? He doesn't promote these cruel stuff and if he kill those type of people you people get angry and if he shows mercy and you still get angry on him
@@vetzrah4437 no I meant atheists say why can't God kill murderers, rapers, theifs right? So if God kills those people who hurt other humans you get angry and if God shows mercy to them you people be like God shouldn't show mercy to them they are theifs and they need to get killed!!
@@vetzrah4437 and you are completely wrong because God didn't kill innocent people people had become horrible!! There were cannibals who use to kill humans and eat innocent humans! People started to fight! Can God leave these people to always kill innocent people?? Of course not so God didn't kill innocent people
How so? In the OT, God commanded war crimes including taking of virgin girls, okayed slavery, and commanded that a victim of rape marry her rapist. Just because there's more time involved doesn't change that its the same god acting totally different. The father is claimed to be one with the son and never changing but its a totally different being from the OT to the NT.
@@greglaprade7507 You haven't answered why the difference in amount of time makes a difference if God is claimed to be forever the same. Whether even millions of years or just one hour, God should be the same as stated in Hebrews 13:18. In the OT, God is okay with many things that Christians believe that He is not okay with now. Can we agree on this? To answer your questions though, it makes a difference if you're someone who believes that no matter what God does, it's good. If you are, there is literally nothing that God does that can be unjust to you. This includes creating a world and the conditions in the world that see billions of humans going to hell for eternity. I see the actions of your god through human eyes and the human concept of justice which you probably apply to everyone and everything except for your god. I believe that slavery is 100% immoral. Is there ever a time when it is okay to own another human being and have the authority to pass said human being on to your children as property? Do you genuinely agree that a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist or that someone who picked up sticks on the Sabbath should be stoned to death? At one time God did, but apparently today He doesn't. God is the objective morality standard that Christians claim but God's standards clearly evolve and adapt to the society where He happens to be in. If God were real this, would not be so. God is no just some ordinary man to me. He is a character created thousands of years ago by people just like the ones that created all the other gods that you don't believe in. Through force, government mandate, and now evangelicalism, He's become the top guy whether in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
@@vgsdomingo1 You're gonna have to shorten your response ALOT if you wanna discuss this. I'm not trying to respond to all your points, so I'll pick the first. Jesus is God. He ushered in a new covenant, but nobody talked about hell more than Him. Plus, He raised the standard rather than lower it by saying that even THINKING about lust or anger will send you to hell. But your postmodern hyper sensibilities think that's mean, huh?
Facts.There are also times in the OT where God is very kind, forgiving, and compassionate. Really God is that way all the time but people have a hard time understanding how God can be loving and just at the same time, but people's failure to understand doesn't make it false.
At the very heart of this question lies a fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old and New Testaments reveal about the nature of God. Another way of expressing this same basic thought is when people say, “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love.” The fact that the Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to us through historical events and through His relationship with people throughout history might contribute to misconceptions about what God is like in the Old Testament as compared to the New Testament. However, when one reads both the Old and the New Testaments, it becomes evident that God is not different from one testament to another and that God’s wrath and His love are revealed in both testaments. For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is declared to be a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,” (Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 4:31; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:5, 15; 108:4; 145:8; Joel 2:13). Yet in the New Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are manifested even more fully through the fact that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God dealing with Israel the same way a loving father deals with a child. When they willfully sinned against Him and began to worship idols, God would chastise them. Yet, each time He would deliver them once they had repented of their idolatry. This is much the same way God deals with Christians in the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6 tells us that “the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on sin. Likewise, in the New Testament we see that the wrath of God is still “being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:18). So, clearly, God is no different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament. God by His very nature is immutable (unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture more than other aspects, God Himself does not change. ~got questions
Mission 3 16 you said all that theological crap to say, your god murders (men, women, children, animals) is angry, is jealous, tells people to kill for him etc. etc. but it’s cool, cuz in the New Testament, he’s way nicer. Wow and Christians say we are the deceived ones! Yikes!
@@goodwin9522 you think he's way nicer in the New Testament? Lol I never implied that. Maybe you should read the book of Revelation and see how Jesus Christ is the ultimate, final judge of mankind.
Mission 3 16 my bad, I guess the Christian gods are just all around mean. I just don’t get why so many people would have a god like that. They are bad gods. I wouldn’t have wanted JC to die on my behalf. Besides human sacrifice is forbidden in the OT. Why is it ok in the NT? And why would they toss me into a lake of fire forever, for being imperfect? That’s pretty messed up. Seems it’s just a “skate hell” thing, seems totally fear driven. Just want to see one Christian on YT that isn’t a freakin embarrassment to their god. Suggestions?? Anyway,didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. Peace
@@goodwin9522 dawggggg. Idk man find a verse about pit of fire. 2. It'd not about how imperfect you are. But the willful rejection that God is God and thay he sent his son bruh. Even the israelites had this issue IN THE OT. They saw him right in front of them but STILL wilfully rejected him, disobeyed and served fake gods. That's why some were punished Israelites in the OT were like modern ppl who reject climate change. That's why they were punished😭😭😭(some)
If you want a god that is harsh and legalistic demanding "Good works" there are all variety of belief systems the world has for that. If you want peace from a perfectly loving and merciful Father who demands justice for sin and then provides the very sacrifice for that sin in His creation then Christianity is for you.
@@Kaymen1980 I had similar mindset like yours and was sad , anxious and had existential crisis from time to time when I was questioning God's existence, I wasn't sure he exists, but when I found out He does and says in Matthew 11:28 "Come to me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you rest" ,I felt that because after I accepted Jesus as my saviour and believed He resurrected, I was no longer sad, not even once since Sep this year. This, to me is true peace. Peace from the world can't be obtained with all the ugliness of it. At some point of time, I need a ray of light, Hope so I can go on when I feel it's too hard. With faith and trust in God, I have it!
John 14:27 New International Version (NIV) 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
Jesus said before Abraham I AM when answering to be God. They later tried to stone him because of this assertion. Jesus said the Prophets and Pslams speak of his coming. It’s all connected. Revelation is the darkest, bloodiest book of the Bible which comes in the NT
@bmk777k can man act or do anything outside of what god designed into him? If god designed all the tools for disobedience and misbehavior than blame the manufacturer
And because the period that people were living back then was the period of the law dispensation. You lived by the law, you died by the law. Now we are no longer by under the law but under God’s grace. But at the end of the grace period, judgement will be passed on the wicked. So we need the blood of the Lamb to cover us and protect us from the wrath of the Almighty.
Adam - God repented more than any other individual in the KJV bible (35 times). What did God need to repent for if it has any connection to sin? Repent has two meanings 1. Remorse, to be sorry 2. Change of mind or turn around It does not mean stop sinning - no-one can stop sinning. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is NOT in us. 'Repent of sin' - is not found once in the bible. People have added 'of sin' to the end of the word ‘repent’ because they don’t understand the true meaning of the word repent and because they listen to what preachers tell them and believe it when they should be reading the bible to check if what the preacher is saying is found in scripture. Repent of Sin is not found once in the bible, it is in found in people’s heads and imaginations. In the context of salvation - repent means to turn from unbelief to belief and to be remorseful/sorry that you are a sinner. Repent of sins to be saved is works salvation and that is a damnable heresy. Read this verse from Jonah very carefully. It tells us that God saw their "works" when they "turned from evil' - so when we "repent from sin" God deems it as works. Also note that God once again repented but if repent means to turn from sin why did God repent? Jonah 3:10 - And God saw their Works, that they Turned from their Evil Way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. Unfortunately, too many Christians lack discernment and are unable to rightly divide the Word of God. John the Baptist was preaching 'repent' prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and everything changed after this event. He was telling people to change their minds from Unbelief and dead works to Belief. Jesus paid the full price for ALL the sins of the world with his blood when he died on the cross and rose again. In return (for salvation) he only asks us to place 100% of our trust (faith) in him as his grace will save us (he did all of the work). Anyone preaching a repent of your sins salvation is saying that Jesus' blood atonement wasn't good enough for them and they are re-crucifying Jesus. Don't be deceived by backdoor works salvation such as repent of sin to be saved. Our works cannot save, only Jesus can. The Book of John was specifically written so that people may believe and be saved. The word 'believe' is mentioned 86 times and the word 'repent' is mentioned 0 (zero) times - use discernment please people and rightly divide the Word. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Acts 16:30-31 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. ----------------------- Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. Eph 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. John 10:28-29 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Evangelist Kim Patrik - Acts 19:4 defines that it is repentance from unbelief to BELIEF... Acts 19:4 (KJV) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of REPENTANCE, saying unto the people, that they should BELIEVE on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. You will never find the words “repent of sin” in the KJB. The devil has added “of sin” to the word repent so that he can take souls to hell. If you believe that you need to repent of sins to be saved you probably aren’t saved.
Matthew 24:4 I simply think repent means to turn away from your sinful way of life. To become a new being. For there is joy in heaven for every sinner that repents.
The bible is supposed to be understood by Christians. It's our book. So of course unbelievers will not understand it. Even for Spirit filled believers it can be difficult at times. How much more so for people who don't have the Holy Spirit? We understand Gods love and what Christ did on the cross. We've experienced this love so it's easy for us to see what is really going on in the bible.
God is loving in the OT: Nehemiah 9:17 "You are a God ready to forgive, gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, and did not forsake them." Jonah 3:8-10 “Let everyone turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it." Isaiah 43:1-3 "But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior.” Isaiah 54:10 “For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you." God is also judgemental in the NT: His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matt. 3:12) " But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother without cause will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[An Aramaic term of contempt] ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Matt. 5:22) " If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." (Matt. 5:29-30) Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Matt. 7:13) May God bless u all.
@@lawrenceeason8007 Unlike us God has the right to take lives bc it is Him who gave it. The wages for sin is death and thus God can justly end a life whenever He desires. The question is not why did God take there lives but why does God allow is to live and not kill us to even though we deserve it. U are simply looking at it the wrong way, u are thinking of God as if He were human but He is not.
@@n.holt7 so the very cruel and barbaric actions that if your Satan committed them it would be evil but as long as a god does them it is righteous. This is the poison of religion. So, it is the action itself that is immoral. It isn't dependent on who does it. Killing someone is immoral. Enslaving someone is immoral. Murdering your son simply because he is disobedient. Mauling 42 children just because they make fun of a man's bald head....and so much more. Not only are these things unspeakably immoral , they have no moral lesson to them other than outright cruelty
Judgement is part of the God package. He's Judge of all the earth and he judges wickedness. Funny how the same people who want God to judge evil try to judge him when he does.
@He loves you! A double standard is saying to not kill...while simultaneously murdering and ordering the murder of thousands. Cognitive dissonance is knowing Slavery is wrong....and knowing the bible allows it, yet still thinking the bible is a morally perfect book.
@He loves you! Are any of these false? 1. God says you may own slaves 2. God says you may own non Jew slaves for life 3. God says you may beat them as long as they dont die in a day or 2 4. God says you may hand non jew slaves down to children as permanent inheritance.
The God of the Old Testament is the same as that of the New Testament: he has shed much blood in the first testament and has finally shed blood, that of Jesus .... he adores the blood that God of love.
yeah those are people that are not born again they were never saved begin with there's a verse in the Bible I got to find it it says they went out from us because they were never of us"""" 1st John 2:19
Also Almighty God revealed Himself to people in dramatic ways. He performed miracles ( Red Sea crossing , pillar of fire and smoke, rod to snake , fire from heaven, victories in battle eg. Jericho etc... there was literally no excuse for disobedience to God, therefore His discipline was much more severe.
The description of a harsh and angry God in the Ot reflects the nature and circumstances of the times in which the OT was written. The Pentateuch was written during the Babylonian exile, when the Hebrews were enslaved and under the influence of the Zoroastrianism of their captors.
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:8-9
Depends on your ethnic background. If you're Jewish, God is awesome in the Old Testament. If you're not Jewish though, you're probably starving or dead.
Another point one should raise is Genesis 6. If you interpret it as Nephelims then all those judgements makes sense and the God characteristics of both the new and old testament makes sense.
He thinks God seems harsher in the OT. That's an understatement. He endorsed outright slaughter, rape and pillaging. Try reading Numbers 31 or 1 Samuel 15 for starters.
Hebrews 10:30-31 New International Version (NIV) 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hi there I'm an atheist, and I like to converse with theists about what we beleive and why, compare "worldviews" etc. I'm not looking for a debate, just a casual "back and forth" where we get to ask each other questions. If this is something you want to engange in, let me know. 🖖
Simple you are a human being with faults and you have both good days and bad days same like me but the difference is in our beliefs. I believe in God the Father almighty and you don't either its the biggest decision you've made or the smallest depending on how your seeing life unfold in the world. If God can bring peace and multiply the hearts of men and women to do good by following his law and grace then why shouldn't someone like yourself be welcomed into this family which God has created for you and me. Sometimes it is better not knowing that a God exists because you have a sense of direction of what's true and what's not. If God is the truth then those that come and disagree are already our brothers and sisters who are either jealous, haters, egotistical, envious, wealthy people who only want acceptance from God who takes away sin. So in a way even if your a believer you have no choice but to surrender yourself to the truth Jesus Christ for all the sins you've committed because God has read your heart that you weren't really a believer just a lost condemned soul looking for a way out. I believe God is everlasting in knowing that the blood of Christ has opened a door to freedom to God and our souls are free to enter into Paradise if only we have faith in Christ. Our hearts and minds are like snakes that push us away from an All Loving God because he loves us to the point that we cannot understand it. Which God in any culture has sent his own son to be crucified for sinful people? Not one pagan god has done it and no other god can but God the Father who is the Father of Jesus Christ, a merciful Father who takes away sin not because we deserved it or are perfect but because his Son Jesus Christ has declared you and me and everyone else as his Friends and disciples when he took away our sins on the cross. St.Peter-"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed." This is my favorite saying from the Apostle Saint Peter the new pope of this world. God has chosen his people and he will continue to do so even the unbelievers because he loves you that much.
@@Kaymen1980 none of the above. I am in the lowest class in life. Maybe its because I grew up poor and now I have a steady job enough to stay eating that I thank god for not spoiling me. Sometimes life is difficult but its up to you to change it. God gives us that opportunity no matter what condition we find ourselves through hard work, prayer, and giving back whether it be through a smile or a bag of chips to the homeless man or woman begging down by the corner
@@childboo2450 for some people this may be true but for me id rather pray in knowing that whatever good deed I do won't be for myself glory but for God.
I want to get closer to God, but i must admit, the way God seems to cause harm to people and their families who did nothing wrong is quite upsetting. Like when Noah cursed the son of Ham, Canaan for something that Ham did (that isn't explained). This is not right. A better context would help me understand why such injustice happen all the time while at the same time claiming to be righteous and good.
Like any fictional character, he reflects the mind of the people that created him. In Star Wars Episode IV, Darth Vader was scary and evil and by Return of Jedi, he became good and rejected the Dark Side. God is not good or evil. Just fictional.
Old Testament God = harsh (& vindictive)… New Testament God = gentler (Jesus). Old man with a club… friend and comforter. Old guy gotta go… new(er) guy can flower in my heart. (Not much difference between a God who frightens and Satan. Brothers? New Testament God (now rehabilitated?) can stay for a cup of tea. (No time for BS)
For crying out loud, it's not about how _often_ he commands genocide, slavery, stoning, etc. It's that he does it at all. It should be telling that one of the earliest Christian "heresies" was the result of Marcion being unable to reconcile the atrocious views of the Old Testament Yahweh with his belief in the benevolence of the "Father" referenced by Jesus.
And yet, new discoveries in science prove everyday that everything written in the Scriptures of the Bible is all true down to the last detail and millions of people each year all find and recognize the evidence for the God of the Bible and come to believe. So if those millions all find enough evidence, even if their only source is the Bible itself, and come to believe, then why haven't you? Oh wait, don't answer that, let me take a stab at it first and you just tell me if I'm right: it's because ignorance is bliss, right?
@@robertdunn1800 Millions of people also are Muslims or Hindus. You are no less delusional than them. If you happen to have been raised in Saudi Arabia, you would most likely be a Muslim. early childhood brainwashing, not intellect, determines the religion you brand yourself with.
@@robertdunn1800 In interested in what you think the bible got right about science. In Genesis, the first day and night occurred before day 4 when God created the sun, moon and stars.
Barrie Hellon-Warwick yea that’s what I thought 🤔. There’s no way to know if you factor in revelation because time is still going as we speak & we haven’t reached revelation yet!
SACRIFICE The very idea that a god, a god that could have fashioned any method for redemption, chose bloodshed and suffering for his method. The idea that this god chose sacrifice, and blood sacrifice at that, is telling about such a god. And It tells us that such a god would be incomprehensibly immoral....if indeed it existed
Answer: because the old testament was written by people, and the cruelty is a reflection of the times that they lived in. Stop conflating man's writing as words of A supreme power.
The reason there seems to be more than one god is that The Bible has more than one author and therefore more than one perception of what a god could, or would be like. It is no different than looking at all of the gods down through the history of mankind. Some of them are slightly different, some are wholly different, depending on the person designing the god.
@NicoCoco Just in case you are interested, what you have engaged in is called "circular reasoning". An example would be stating that some book to be truthful, or the world's best book, or the wisest book, making the pronouncement because that's what the book claims.
@NicoCoco I will try to answer your question with this question... _If UFOs don't exist, then why have hundreds and perhaps thousands of books been written about them_ ?
@NicoCoco You tried to proclaim that a book must be true due to the number of people who took part in writing it. I'm showing you that the number of people who take part in advancing some belief does not mean the belief is actually true.
@NicoCoco Let me try this again. There have been countless authors, most of whom did not know each other, all pointing to the idea that UFOs are visiting earth from outer space.
@NicoCoco Do you know what a comparison is? Do you understand that? Do you know that you have proclaimed the Bible must be true based on the number of authors. So how about all of the authors that have written about UFOs? Does that mean they exist? Do you understand the comparison? Just answer yes or no.
We all have sinned against God, and that makes us deserving of hell. Yet God loves us sooo much that, ““For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” -John 3:16! If you repent (to change your mind about God, to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that He is our God) and put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you will be saved! And do not wait either, because you do not know when you will die. And once you die, it will be too late. God wants to save you, even right now, because He loves you more than you know it!!
@@GG-fy2bm I used to think about that too but God is the Creator of all life. He can decide when He takes us out of here, no matter the age and it’s not wrong. If He gave us life, He can literally take it back
He is actually wrong. Our Father YHWH (Yahuah) is harsher in the Renewed Covenant(NT) than in the 1st Covenant(OT). The reason is, we are able to have our Messiah live in us, which enables us to live without sin. That is why Yahusha our Messiah said the following: Mat 5:21 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,’ and whoever murders shall be liable to judgment. Mat 5:22 “But I say to you that whoever is wroth with his brother without a cause shall be liable to judgment. If you are angry towards your brother without reason is as good as killing someone. Quite a difference, look at the next one: Mat 5:27 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ Mat 5:28 “But I say to you that everyone looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. A man looking at a woman with lust, is a adulterer. This is called the Higher Torah. This is the sad thing about Christianity, they make their "God" to fit their will. They use the OT when it suits them, but mostly about grace and you can not outsin the grace of JC. This is false teaching and a bad place to be in. Yahuah is not mocked, and those living in sin can not receive the Spirit of Yahuah. Only through obedience can we receive His Spirit: Act 5:32 “And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Elohim has given to those who obey Him.” We must love Him and obey His Word(commandments), then Yahuah and Yahusha will make their stay with us( by the way there is no 3rd person/ trinity either): Joh 14:23 יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him.
Because he was originally a thunder god of war who loved to kill the more blood the better The Christians realised they needed a more loving god so transformed him to a caring father figure but at the end of the day it's still only make believe.
John 10:8, 10 (KJV) All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. In the real Translation it is written: John 10:8, 10 (Martin Luther 1912) All that ever came before me are thieves and murderers: but the sheep did not hear them. Murderers!!!
Hmmm... When you follow this argument logically, there should have been a longer time for god to do good things in the OT, too. So why didn't God do more good things in the OT?
Obiwan Duglobi apart from the fact that Frank has made a good point about time frames, it’s also to do with just how much detail do you want to record and put into a document/book, whatever you want to call it, there is no doubt plenty of things that didn’t make it into the bible, for 1 simple reason, just how big of a book do you want to have to read and study, as there’s an untold number of people who can’t read, but thankfully today that’s now sorted for a lot of people, as you can get the bible in audio format, and then there’s people like myself who can read, but my attention span for reading is terrible, but visual and audio I have no problem with, but then you’ve still got the same issue, quantity, so it’s not about why didn’t God do more good things, but that also implies He did bad things......., and that leads to the other problem that people have, they only want the ‘lovey dovey’ graceful God, sorry, but ya can’t have it all 1 way, human parents are the same, they give their children love and forgiveness, but any good parent will at times have to discipline their children, why should God be any different......
Understand this: God made a promise to Abraham that through him God would reconcile the world back to Him. He kept His word. He later made a covenant with Israel: if they obey God, He would bless them or if they disobeyed He would curse them & the great God kept His word. *Read the book of Judges, lot of Israel's leaders led them astray. Hence why there were more curses then blessings.*
@@Sacrifice-Paid Basically, you're repeating Frank's position. From a sociological standpoint, I would expect the Jews to writing down every single interaction of God. Why should they have behaved differently than early Christians and Catholics, meticolously writing down every single wonder? Why should they note the harsh things, but forget about the good ones? "...any good parent will at times have to discipline their children, why should God be any different..." But why did god often choose the most ultimate punishment there is, namely suffering and consequential death, and without previous warning?
@@beastlyendeavour9184 Got your point. But this raises another question: God made a strong moral statement in the 6th Commandment, which says that you shall not kill. If God is omnipotent, why was he acting in breach of his own moral framework? There should have been other ways!
God is a Holy God. God is a righteous God. God cannot tolerate sin. In the Old Testament times God was dealing with Israel and their nations in a physical manner, with man responsible for his own actions before God. Israel were God's chosen people. The nations were their enemies and they were out to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. When Israel were obedient to God's laws they were blessed and protected from their enemies. When they were attacked they killed their enemies to rid themselves of their threat. Each of the nations had characteristics which were types of the spiritual attacks which Christians of this age have to contend with and to 'put to death' in their bodies. The Amorites were a sexually perverted nation who would attack the weaker parts of Israel as they journeyed. The Canaanites, Hettites, etc. all had their 'badness' which a righteous and holy God wanted His earthly people delivered from. Hence their was so much bloodshed and apparent lack of tolerance towards the enemies. You may say 'I thought God was a God of Love'. Correct, but God had not been revealed to man at that time as a God of Love. Man was under Law and Israel had said 'whatsoever God says we will do'. The Law was good but mankind could not achieve the Law and were subject to it's penalty which is condemnation when broken. The wages of sin is death. God revealed His love when He sent His only begotten Son into the world in human form to redeem fallen mankind by dying and shedding His precious blood and suffering on the cross where He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (John ch. 3 v 16; 2 Corinthians ch. 5 v 21). The Jewish religious leaders and the Romans rejected and crucified Jesus Christ, not knowing that their actions were according to the predetermined counsels and purposes of God. It was God's plan of redemption that His Son should die and be resurrected to suffer the wrath of God which was due to man for his sins. God in Love and Grace now offers salvation and the forgiveness of sins to whosoever will believe that Christ died for them personally. In the Old Testament God was revealed to men as a totally Holy God who could not tolerate sin. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ, God manifest in human form, has revealed God as a God of Love and mercy who when we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. We can be saved by Grace which is God's totally unmerited favour bestowed on the sinner who believes.
Smeaton Lighthouse, Christians would've been better off had they adopted the theology of Marcion. The Marcionites were a 2nd century Christian sect who were followers of Paul but believed the God of Jesus was a different God, not the same vengeful God of the OT. Marcion was later deemed a heretic but had his theology been adopted you wouldn't have to tap dance about the atrocities in the OT God endorsed.
@@theespionageact5249 It is obvious you did not understand my comment. In OT times God was dealing with Israel as a nation. It was purely physical in that context. In the New Testament God deals with individuals. God has been manifest to us as a God of Love through His Son, Jesus Christ. The situation and conditions of God's approach to mankind are completely different. It is now Grace as opposed to responsible man under Law. The Christian principle is 'love your enemies'. Do good to those who spitefully use or abuse you. We have a salvation through Jesus Christ which we do not deserve as we are all sinners in the sight of a Holy God. There is no difference between me and you. We both deserve to be cast into Hell. But God in love offers you, like me, the forgiveness of sins and eternal Life in Christ Jesus. Christ has purchased our salvation through His death, burial and resurrection when He put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. God has dealt with mankind according the the light or understanding that he had of God. Jesus Christ is the light of the world. He has made manifest His Father as a God of Love reaching out in Grace to you and me. Your lack of understanding of the Bible and the way God has revealed Himself is making your judgement of Christians to be totally wrong and your comments totally offensive.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 my lack of understanding? Ok...lets unpack this. 1. In the old Testament, god ordered the murder of babies and toddlers and gave laws allowing people to be owned and beaten as property for life. 2. God is timeless and unchanging. 3. God has not changed his views on baby murder or slavery. Tell me where my thought process is flawed.
@@todbeard8118 Your comment falls flat on it's face when you understand that Jesus Christ was God manifest in human form. He took a servants condition for the purpose of saving mankind, yet all the time He was God in His person. The Apostle Paul was the most dedicated preacher of the gospel of Grace and the Lordship and Headship of Christ, explaining the teaching about the Church which is the body of Christ here on earth. His service of Jesus Christ, the Son of God has not been matched down the centuries, especially as the Holy Spirit used Paul to give us such a large portion of our New Testament. It is no wonder Marcion was deemed heretic it that is the line he took.
I would say because the bible writers have evolved with their writing. In the old testament God is pretty ruthless and savage with primitive impulses, in the new Testament he isn't as bad compared to the old (and isn't even there). That's because the writers evolved, the way they view God was a product of their time.
@@evangelistkimpatrik even if thats true it doesn't mean he's right, sounds more like a backwards authoritarian judge who wants blood as a sign of punishment
1. God created human beings with free will 2. Free will enables/allows sin and bad behavior 3. God not only does it anyway but KNOWS his design will result in sin and bad behavior 4. Knowing his flawed design/plan, he doesn't improve or change it and follows through. His decision. His plan. His fault
Rubbish. Look at how Jesus forgave the adulterous woman and how God ordered adulterers to be stoned to death. God the Father isn’t like God the Son when it comes to mercy.
The trouble with the Pericope Adultera is that it's not included in early, reliable manuscripts. Like much of the Bible, it's just another story possibly dreamed up by some scribe.
Where is hell "hinted at" In the old Testament? I'm aware that sheol is sometimes translated as hell but they are very different things, everyone who dies in the Jewish faith go to sheol much like the underworld in Greek/Roman mythology. And god is much harsher in the old Testament like when he killed off a bunch of his "chosen people" for idol worship, why doesn't he still do that today? Is his pillar of fire down for repairs?
Lol what complete and utter tosh. More judgment??? It’s obvious to anyone that the god of the old and new testaments are completely different and not because of time. The god of the Old Testament is a complete maniac. Frank Turek literally says anything and knows theists will swallow it hook, line and coveted ox 😂😂
That’s the reason god did a flip flop when it comes to his disposition? Soo, if the New Testament took longer to write, we would surely see the mayhem, destruction, death that he brought in the Old Testament??? I gotcha, we didn’t give jesus enough time to let his passive aggressive personality erupt into mayhem, destruction and death as well, Wtf? Seriously and Christians are like, “yea, I never saw it like that before...time was the answer.” They are what Jesus said they are......SHEEP!!!
Because the Old Testament god is an amalgamation of many gods where the New Testament god, Jesus, is a completely different god made up by the followers of jesus who couldn’t accept he’d been put to death.
@@dannyvarghese1318 What a lot of Christians don't know, is that Yahweh was just one out of the diffrenet gods the Jews worship and was the God of war. During king David's reign who was a yahwist made him popular and eventually evolved into the main God of the Jews. Not in the bible because it twist history
Time span is one interpretation of the facts. What about this one? The hardships suffered by human kind were decreasing as life quality evolved. Since humans, because of ignorance, claimed god to be the source of their misery (floods, thunderstorms...) they saw less "punishments" as their life quality improved, because they were less affected by the hardships of nature.
It seems pretty obvious to me that there were 2 different gods working in the old testament. Jesus himself completely say's the exact opposite of what was supposed to be him and or the father GOD. Example : Numbers 31:18 But all the women children , that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. The argument is the reason god wanted these people killed is because they were corrupted by the fallen angles and we see this as true when it is stated that Noah was pure in all his generations ie genetics. So why would the true God the Father tell his genetically pure Hebrew children to keep genetically corrupt virgins for themselves if his whole intentions were to clean up the fallen angels children? He wouldn't but satan mascaraing as God would and this is why the New testament say's to study the word and equally dived the word ( Good from the bad ) remember satan said he would be like God and would raise his throne to the north. In the old testament there are so many examples of the people being terrified to not worship or they would be killed and many were killed, but Jesus came along and never once did he demand worship he simply gave us a choice. The lake of fire is very real and there will be many that go there but it will be by their own choice not Jesus getting mad and throwing them in it because they didn't eat the right foods or wear the right clothes, and in closing this remember what the true Father God aka Jesus said : I am the same yesterday today and forever I change not!
Simba Questionador No. My statement is based on centuries of biblical scholarship incorporating anthropology, archeology, history and many other available sources. We know that the Torah is mythology. You just don’t know it yet.
@@franktong6736 yeah, you say that, but shows no prove, or good logic. Just speculation. Torah is one of the most - if not the most - trustworthy historical books. You can call God a myth, but ignore Torah's historical importance is childish.
Simba Questionador It’s well documented. You’ve just never heard about it or even want to. And the Torah is not a History book. Lol. Who are the 4 authors of “The Documentary Hypothesis”?
When I read Revelation it’s goosebumps throughout. Wrath of God is unstoppable.
I know right, God’s wrath is so terrible that he promotes the genocide of children and women. And he promotes sexual slavery of children also. I get goosebumps thinking about it as well.
@@vetzrah4437 who the heck said you this? He doesn't promote these cruel stuff and if he kill those type of people you people get angry and if he shows mercy and you still get angry on him
@@marjorie5677 it does make me angry when he kills innocent men, women and children, you are correct
@@vetzrah4437 no I meant atheists say why can't God kill murderers, rapers, theifs right? So if God kills those people who hurt other humans you get angry and if God shows mercy to them you people be like God shouldn't show mercy to them they are theifs and they need to get killed!!
@@vetzrah4437 and you are completely wrong because God didn't kill innocent people people had become horrible!! There were cannibals who use to kill humans and eat innocent humans! People started to fight! Can God leave these people to always kill innocent people?? Of course not so God didn't kill innocent people
Turek brings the point home clearly again! Love this guy! 62 years compared to thousands of years... Clarifies the difference right there.
How so? In the OT, God commanded war crimes including taking of virgin girls, okayed slavery, and commanded that a victim of rape marry her rapist. Just because there's more time involved doesn't change that its the same god acting totally different. The father is claimed to be one with the son and never changing but its a totally different being from the OT to the NT.
@@childboo2450 How did you come to the conclusion that God ordered things that were unjust? Is God just some ordinary man in your eyes?
@Jimmydean50 Dean How does your comment relate to either the video or my comment?
@@greglaprade7507 You haven't answered why the difference in amount of time makes a difference if God is claimed to be forever the same. Whether even millions of years or just one hour, God should be the same as stated in Hebrews 13:18. In the OT, God is okay with many things that Christians believe that He is not okay with now. Can we agree on this?
To answer your questions though, it makes a difference if you're someone who believes that no matter what God does, it's good. If you are, there is literally nothing that God does that can be unjust to you. This includes creating a world and the conditions in the world that see billions of humans going to hell for eternity. I see the actions of your god through human eyes and the human concept of justice which you probably apply to everyone and everything except for your god. I believe that slavery is 100% immoral. Is there ever a time when it is okay to own another human being and have the authority to pass said human being on to your children as property? Do you genuinely agree that a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist or that someone who picked up sticks on the Sabbath should be stoned to death? At one time God did, but apparently today He doesn't. God is the objective morality standard that Christians claim but God's standards clearly evolve and adapt to the society where He happens to be in. If God were real this, would not be so.
God is no just some ordinary man to me. He is a character created thousands of years ago by people just like the ones that created all the other gods that you don't believe in. Through force, government mandate, and now evangelicalism, He's become the top guy whether in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
@@vgsdomingo1 You're gonna have to shorten your response ALOT if you wanna discuss this. I'm not trying to respond to all your points, so I'll pick the first.
Jesus is God. He ushered in a new covenant, but nobody talked about hell more than Him. Plus, He raised the standard rather than lower it by saying that even THINKING about lust or anger will send you to hell. But your postmodern hyper sensibilities think that's mean, huh?
Your channel provides answers for those believers who are confused sometimes . Thank you so much. Amen
Seems harsher in the OT? I guess he never read the book of Revelation. God is the judge of the world. People don't seem to get that.
Facts.There are also times in the OT where God is very kind, forgiving, and compassionate. Really God is that way all the time but people have a hard time understanding how God can be loving and just at the same time, but people's failure to understand doesn't make it false.
@@n.holt7 amen amen. That is bible truth
@@n.holt7 I agree just like the relationship of a child to the parents, for easier understanding
Did u even listen to the question? Clearly not.
@@oliviaeff4154 did you listen?
At the very heart of this question lies a fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old and New Testaments reveal about the nature of God. Another way of expressing this same basic thought is when people say, “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love.” The fact that the Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to us through historical events and through His relationship with people throughout history might contribute to misconceptions about what God is like in the Old Testament as compared to the New Testament. However, when one reads both the Old and the New Testaments, it becomes evident that God is not different from one testament to another and that God’s wrath and His love are revealed in both testaments.
For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is declared to be a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,” (Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 4:31; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:5, 15; 108:4; 145:8; Joel 2:13). Yet in the New Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are manifested even more fully through the fact that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God dealing with Israel the same way a loving father deals with a child. When they willfully sinned against Him and began to worship idols, God would chastise them. Yet, each time He would deliver them once they had repented of their idolatry. This is much the same way God deals with Christians in the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6 tells us that “the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on sin. Likewise, in the New Testament we see that the wrath of God is still “being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:18). So, clearly, God is no different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament. God by His very nature is immutable (unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture more than other aspects, God Himself does not change.
~got questions
Mission 3 16 you said all that theological crap to say, your god murders (men, women, children, animals) is angry, is jealous, tells people to kill for him etc. etc. but it’s cool, cuz in the New Testament, he’s way nicer. Wow and Christians say we are the deceived ones! Yikes!
@@goodwin9522 you think he's way nicer in the New Testament? Lol
I never implied that. Maybe you should read the book of Revelation and see how Jesus Christ is the ultimate, final judge of mankind.
Mission 3 16 my bad, I guess the Christian gods are just all around mean. I just don’t get why so many people would have a god like that. They are bad gods. I wouldn’t have wanted JC to die on my behalf. Besides human sacrifice is forbidden in the OT. Why is it ok in the NT? And why would they toss me into a lake of fire forever, for being imperfect? That’s pretty messed up. Seems it’s just a “skate hell” thing, seems totally fear driven. Just want to see one Christian on YT that isn’t a freakin embarrassment to their god. Suggestions?? Anyway,didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. Peace
Yeah but people mean it like 2 different personalities that's why they are all confused but It's probably like that.
@@goodwin9522 dawggggg. Idk man find a verse about pit of fire.
2. It'd not about how imperfect you are. But the willful rejection that God is God and thay he sent his son bruh. Even the israelites had this issue IN THE OT. They saw him right in front of them but STILL wilfully rejected him, disobeyed and served fake gods. That's why some were punished
Israelites in the OT were like modern ppl who reject climate change. That's why they were punished😭😭😭(some)
I'd never considered the time period covered as an answer before. It's a pretty good one!
No. It's not.
@@childboo2450 I'm not saying it's perfect, there are other arguments that I've seen him and other apologists make before.
@@danielmcdonagh2889 In Christianity, does God change or is He claimed to be the reason for objective morality and claimed to be never changing?
@@MisterShnig What makes this a pretty good answer?
@@childboo2450 I thought it was pretty obvious. Can't help you if you don't understand, sorry :/
If you want a god that is harsh and legalistic demanding "Good works" there are all variety of belief systems the world has for that. If you want peace from a perfectly loving and merciful Father who demands justice for sin and then provides the very sacrifice for that sin in His creation then Christianity is for you.
And if you just want peace in general, atheism is for you 👍
@@Kaymen1980 I had similar mindset like yours and was sad , anxious and had existential crisis from time to time when I was questioning God's existence, I wasn't sure he exists, but when I found out He does and says in Matthew 11:28 "Come to me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you rest" ,I felt that because after I accepted Jesus as my saviour and believed He resurrected, I was no longer sad, not even once since Sep this year. This, to me is true peace. Peace from the world can't be obtained with all the ugliness of it. At some point of time, I need a ray of light, Hope so I can go on when I feel it's too hard. With faith and trust in God, I have it!
John 14:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
@@Kaymen1980Atheism ⚛️ brings NOTHING but Nihilism.
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And you dont like that one bit, therefore you pretend Christianity isn't made up.
Jesus said before Abraham I AM when answering to be God. They later tried to stone him because of this assertion. Jesus said the Prophets and Pslams speak of his coming. It’s all connected. Revelation is the darkest, bloodiest book of the Bible which comes in the NT
Amen! The entire bible connects together. The OT sets up the NT.
And the bible is barbaric in its immorality. Just a horror show
@NicoCoco I care about a religion/bible whose immorality is detrimental to humanity
@bmk777k it's not about "taste". If you chop my arm off it isn't a good thing. It violates well being
@bmk777k can man act or do anything outside of what god designed into him? If god designed all the tools for disobedience and misbehavior than blame the manufacturer
I just completely forgot about that 😂
4000+ years of history vs a little under 75 years.
so true i just realized that!
Make sense, Check's Out.
Excellent answer to the question by Frank. Big thumbs up.
Do you have a brain??? Because this literally didn't answer the question at all. If you have one then think about it more
Never thought about it that way. This is a first half of the Bible explaining 1000’s of years. Good point
And because the period that people were living back then was the period of the law dispensation. You lived by the law, you died by the law.
Now we are no longer by under the law but under God’s grace. But at the end of the grace period, judgement will be passed on the wicked. So we need the blood of the Lamb to cover us and protect us from the wrath of the Almighty.
Read Romans 4 - Abraham and David were under grace, saved by faith alone. It’s always been that way. God, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Adam - God repented more than any other individual in the KJV bible (35 times). What did God need to repent for if it has any connection to sin?
Repent has two meanings
1. Remorse, to be sorry
2. Change of mind or turn around
It does not mean stop sinning - no-one can stop sinning.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is NOT in us.
'Repent of sin' - is not found once in the bible. People have added 'of sin' to the end of the word ‘repent’ because they don’t understand the true meaning of the word repent and because they listen to what preachers tell them and believe it when they should be reading the bible to check if what the preacher is saying is found in scripture. Repent of Sin is not found once in the bible, it is in found in people’s heads and imaginations.
In the context of salvation - repent means to turn from unbelief to belief and to be remorseful/sorry that you are a sinner.
Repent of sins to be saved is works salvation and that is a damnable heresy.
Read this verse from Jonah very carefully. It tells us that God saw their "works" when they "turned from evil' - so when we "repent from sin" God deems it as works. Also note that God once again repented but if repent means to turn from sin why did God repent?
Jonah 3:10 - And God saw their Works, that they Turned from their Evil Way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Unfortunately, too many Christians lack discernment and are unable to rightly divide the Word of God. John the Baptist was preaching 'repent' prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and everything changed after this event. He was telling people to change their minds from Unbelief and dead works to Belief.
Jesus paid the full price for ALL the sins of the world with his blood when he died on the cross and rose again. In return (for salvation) he only asks us to place 100% of our trust (faith) in him as his grace will save us (he did all of the work).
Anyone preaching a repent of your sins salvation is saying that Jesus' blood atonement wasn't good enough for them and they are re-crucifying Jesus. Don't be deceived by backdoor works salvation such as repent of sin to be saved.
Our works cannot save, only Jesus can. The Book of John was specifically written so that people may believe and be saved. The word 'believe' is mentioned 86 times and the word 'repent' is mentioned 0 (zero) times - use discernment please people and rightly divide the Word.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 16:30-31 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
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Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Eph 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
John 10:28-29 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Matthew 4:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
Evangelist Kim Patrik - Acts 19:4 defines that it is repentance from unbelief to BELIEF...
Acts 19:4 (KJV)
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of REPENTANCE, saying unto the people, that they should BELIEVE on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
You will never find the words “repent of sin” in the KJB. The devil has added “of sin” to the word repent so that he can take souls to hell.
If you believe that you need to repent of sins to be saved you probably aren’t saved.
Matthew 24:4 I simply think repent means to turn away from your sinful way of life. To become a new being. For there is joy in heaven for every sinner that repents.
Same God and God has judged nations since the bible was written.
Texas Dude,
Moses would be facing war crime
charges if he employed the same tactics today God endorsed in Numbers and 1Samuel.
God still approves of slavery and murdering the babies of your enemies?
@@theespionageact5249 He never promotes slavery many people say this! But they don't read the context don't just read one verse and comment
0:57 for answer
The bible is supposed to be understood by Christians. It's our book. So of course unbelievers will not understand it. Even for Spirit filled believers it can be difficult at times. How much more so for people who don't have the Holy Spirit? We understand Gods love and what Christ did on the cross. We've experienced this love so it's easy for us to see what is really going on in the bible.
Gods chosen people dont accept Jesus...
Conundrum?
Steel City Ryan Reeves is good videos on it
@@theespionageact5249 they will in the end. Guess you never read the book of Revelation.
@@steelcity6420 I dont believe it. Sorry.
@@steelcity6420 Always with the not so veiled threats.
People who claim that the OT God seems "harsher" should go and read Jonah, Hosea, Ruth, Psalms or Ezekiel.
God is loving in the OT:
Nehemiah 9:17
"You are a God ready to forgive, gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, and did not forsake them."
Jonah 3:8-10
“Let everyone turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."
Isaiah 43:1-3
"But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior.”
Isaiah 54:10
“For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you."
God is also judgemental in the NT:
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matt. 3:12)
" But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother without cause will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[An Aramaic term of contempt] ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Matt. 5:22)
" If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." (Matt. 5:29-30)
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Matt. 7:13)
May God bless u all.
Nick _7, as Dr. Turek points out, the Canaanites had 400 years to stop killing babies.
@@michaelbrickley2443 yes, and as I would point out, gods retribution for the canaanites murdering babies was for god to go in there and murder babies
@@michaelbrickley2443 Indeed.
@@lawrenceeason8007 Unlike us God has the right to take lives bc it is Him who gave it. The wages for sin is death and thus God can justly end a life whenever He desires. The question is not why did God take there lives but why does God allow is to live and not kill us to even though we deserve it. U are simply looking at it the wrong way, u are thinking of God as if He were human but He is not.
@@n.holt7 so the very cruel and barbaric actions that if your Satan committed them it would be evil but as long as a god does them it is righteous. This is the poison of religion.
So, it is the action itself that is immoral. It isn't dependent on who does it. Killing someone is immoral. Enslaving someone is immoral. Murdering your son simply because he is disobedient. Mauling 42 children just because they make fun of a man's bald head....and so much more.
Not only are these things unspeakably immoral , they have no moral lesson to them other than outright cruelty
Judgement is part of the God package. He's Judge of all the earth and he judges wickedness. Funny how the same people who want God to judge evil try to judge him when he does.
@He loves you! A double standard is saying to not kill...while simultaneously murdering and ordering the murder of thousands.
Cognitive dissonance is knowing Slavery is wrong....and knowing the bible allows it, yet still thinking the bible is a morally perfect book.
@bmk777k prove he exists
@He loves you! Are any of these false?
1. God says you may own slaves
2. God says you may own non Jew slaves for life
3. God says you may beat them as long as they dont die in a day or 2
4. God says you may hand non jew slaves down to children as permanent inheritance.
@He loves you! And when the jews killed the babies and toddlers of their enemies....is that not murder?
@@theespionageact5249 if you're atheist why tf you even quote the Bible,
The God of the Old Testament is the same as that of the New Testament: he has shed much blood in the first testament and has finally shed blood, that of Jesus .... he adores the blood that God of love.
God and Jesus are the same. So whoever killed the babies in Samuel is Jesus.
@@lamasabachthani2132 incorrect, Jesus didn't create the world. God did.
@@lotus9865 greetings. Jesus is God and human n the form of the Hypostatic Union. God is a divine trinity . Peace.
@@lotus9865 Nothing was created without Jesus
Diba Anwar just outta curiosity what culture was you brought up in and what faith are you, and is that picture a true 1 of you, genuine question?
Other ancient near eastern laws during that time period were much more brutal than the Levitcal laws.
Only false Christian's try to change the bible and say God is not the Judge.
yeah those are people that are not born again they were never saved begin with there's a verse in the Bible I got to find it it says they went out from us because they were never of us"""" 1st John 2:19
Wow, I'd never thought about the time frame playing a role in this. Great insight.
Also Almighty God revealed Himself to people in dramatic ways. He performed miracles ( Red Sea crossing , pillar of fire and smoke, rod to snake , fire from heaven, victories in battle eg. Jericho etc... there was literally no excuse for disobedience to God, therefore His discipline was much more severe.
Gby
@@BethKnox32 🤔
The description of a harsh and angry God in the Ot reflects the nature and circumstances of the times in which the OT was written. The Pentateuch was written during the Babylonian exile, when the Hebrews were enslaved and under the influence of the Zoroastrianism of their captors.
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:8-9
Unbelievers will always see God as harsh because they do not know him.
Depends on your ethnic background.
If you're Jewish, God is awesome in the Old Testament. If you're not Jewish though, you're probably starving or dead.
Out of the park!!
AMEN! So i always tell people yes God loves everyone but do you love God?!
I’m skeptical of skepticism.
Good Christian.
@He loves you! Im good without god.
@He loves you! Speak for yourself. I have compassion and empathy.
@He loves you! My empathy does not come from god.
@He loves you!
Interesting.. How does empathy get from God you? How does that work?
Another point one should raise is Genesis 6. If you interpret it as Nephelims then all those judgements makes sense and the God characteristics of both the new and old testament makes sense.
That dude in the blue shirt talking to Frank looks like George Lucas.
He thinks God seems harsher in the OT. That's an understatement.
He endorsed outright slaughter, rape and pillaging. Try reading Numbers 31 or 1 Samuel 15 for starters.
Hebrews 10:30-31 New International Version (NIV)
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You can see God's love in the OT as early as the the creation.....
Acts 5 shows some of God’s judgement in the New Testament as well.
Hi there
I'm an atheist, and I like to converse with theists about what we beleive and why, compare "worldviews" etc.
I'm not looking for a debate, just a casual "back and forth" where we get to ask each other questions.
If this is something you want to engange in, let me know.
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Simple you are a human being with faults and you have both good days and bad days same like me but the difference is in our beliefs. I believe in God the Father almighty and you don't either its the biggest decision you've made or the smallest depending on how your seeing life unfold in the world. If God can bring peace and multiply the hearts of men and women to do good by following his law and grace then why shouldn't someone like yourself be welcomed into this family which God has created for you and me. Sometimes it is better not knowing that a God exists because you have a sense of direction of what's true and what's not. If God is the truth then those that come and disagree are already our brothers and sisters who are either jealous, haters, egotistical, envious, wealthy people who only want acceptance from God who takes away sin. So in a way even if your a believer you have no choice but to surrender yourself to the truth Jesus Christ for all the sins you've committed because God has read your heart that you weren't really a believer just a lost condemned soul looking for a way out. I believe God is everlasting in knowing that the blood of Christ has opened a door to freedom to God and our souls are free to enter into Paradise if only we have faith in Christ. Our hearts and minds are like snakes that push us away from an All Loving God because he loves us to the point that we cannot understand it. Which God in any culture has sent his own son to be crucified for sinful people? Not one pagan god has done it and no other god can but God the Father who is the Father of Jesus Christ, a merciful Father who takes away sin not because we deserved it or are perfect but because his Son Jesus Christ has declared you and me and everyone else as his Friends and disciples when he took away our sins on the cross.
St.Peter-"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed." This is my favorite saying from the Apostle Saint Peter the new pope of this world. God has chosen his people and he will continue to do so even the unbelievers because he loves you that much.
@@cuauhtemocmorisco3493
Aha, so I assume you are a christian 🤷♂️ Been a christian all your life, or are you reborn?
@@Kaymen1980 none of the above. I am in the lowest class in life. Maybe its because I grew up poor and now I have a steady job enough to stay eating that I thank god for not spoiling me. Sometimes life is difficult but its up to you to change it. God gives us that opportunity no matter what condition we find ourselves through hard work, prayer, and giving back whether it be through a smile or a bag of chips to the homeless man or woman begging down by the corner
@@cuauhtemocmorisco3493 Hard work and giving back will ALWAYS accomplish more than prayer. ALWAYS.
@@childboo2450 for some people this may be true but for me id rather pray in knowing that whatever good deed I do won't be for myself glory but for God.
Acts 4/5, revelation.
Jesus actually makes the law harder than the one Moses gave. He said if you hate your brother you are a murder, if you lust you committed adultery.
He also supports slavery like his dad.
colby j you are confused as to what “slavery” was in the Old Testament.
Wow it's wierd that I don't know if I've ever considered that before this is a great channel👌
I want to get closer to God, but i must admit, the way God seems to cause harm to people and their families who did nothing wrong is quite upsetting. Like when Noah cursed the son of Ham, Canaan for something that Ham did (that isn't explained). This is not right. A better context would help me understand why such injustice happen all the time while at the same time claiming to be righteous and good.
The god in the old testament, Yahweh, was actually a minor storm god. He is definitely not the creator of the universe
Like any fictional character, he reflects the mind of the people that created him. In Star Wars Episode IV, Darth Vader was scary and evil and by Return of Jedi, he became good and rejected the Dark Side. God is not good or evil. Just fictional.
What about the confusion of nephilim killings?
I love frank but i see his video about OT law i am confused i need u to explain it more clearly plz
Why ? well because the guy who wrote that had a more cruel fantasy ! simple
Old Testament God = harsh (& vindictive)… New Testament God = gentler (Jesus). Old man with a club… friend and comforter. Old guy gotta go… new(er) guy can flower in my heart. (Not much difference between a God who frightens and Satan. Brothers? New Testament God (now rehabilitated?) can stay for a cup of tea. (No time for BS)
For crying out loud, it's not about how _often_ he commands genocide, slavery, stoning, etc. It's that he does it at all.
It should be telling that one of the earliest Christian "heresies" was the result of Marcion being unable to reconcile the atrocious views of the Old Testament Yahweh with his belief in the benevolence of the "Father" referenced by Jesus.
Because there is no evidence for any God especially the God of the Bible.
And yet, new discoveries in science prove everyday that everything written in the Scriptures of the Bible is all true down to the last detail and millions of people each year all find and recognize the evidence for the God of the Bible and come to believe. So if those millions all find enough evidence, even if their only source is the Bible itself, and come to believe, then why haven't you? Oh wait, don't answer that, let me take a stab at it first and you just tell me if I'm right: it's because ignorance is bliss, right?
Robert Dunn
That is an appeal to popularity fallacy. Was the earth a flat disc when most people believed it was?
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U must understand that the Bible is the claim, not the evidence for the God speculation.
@@robertdunn1800
Millions of people also are Muslims or Hindus. You are no less delusional than them. If you happen to have been raised in Saudi Arabia, you would most likely be a Muslim. early childhood brainwashing, not intellect, determines the religion you brand yourself with.
@@robertdunn1800
In interested in what you think the bible got right about science. In Genesis, the first day and night occurred before day 4 when God created the sun, moon and stars.
Curious to as how we know the New Testament covers only 62 years?
I presume birth of Christ through to Paul and the Acts of the Apostles.... however 62 years doesn't factor in Revelation.
Lord Jesus died at the age of 33 years old, Paul preached more than 15 years. John the last apostle who died in old age.
Barrie Hellon-Warwick yea that’s what I thought 🤔. There’s no way to know if you factor in revelation because time is still going as we speak & we haven’t reached revelation yet!
Indeed there is a lot of time to screw things up lol :D
SACRIFICE
The very idea that a god, a god that could have fashioned any method for redemption, chose bloodshed and suffering for his method. The idea that this god chose sacrifice, and blood sacrifice at that, is telling about such a god. And It tells us that such a god would be incomprehensibly immoral....if indeed it existed
Last I checked Gomer wasn't a prophet?
Well it made3 fun fiction at the time.
Answer: because the old testament was written by people, and the cruelty is a reflection of the times that they lived in. Stop conflating man's writing as words of A supreme power.
I love good fairy tales.
The reason there seems to be more than one god is that The Bible has more than one author and therefore more than one perception of what a god could, or would be like. It is no different than looking at all of the gods down through the history of mankind. Some of them are slightly different, some are wholly different, depending on the person designing the god.
@NicoCoco Just in case you are interested, what you have engaged in is called "circular reasoning". An example would be stating that some book to be truthful, or the world's best book, or the wisest book, making the pronouncement because that's what the book claims.
@NicoCoco I will try to answer your question with this question... _If UFOs don't exist, then why have hundreds and perhaps thousands of books been written about them_ ?
@NicoCoco You tried to proclaim that a book must be true due to the number of people who took part in writing it. I'm showing you that the number of people who take part in advancing some belief does not mean the belief is actually true.
@NicoCoco Let me try this again. There have been countless authors, most of whom did not know each other, all pointing to the idea that UFOs are visiting earth from outer space.
@NicoCoco Do you know what a comparison is? Do you understand that? Do you know that you have proclaimed the Bible must be true based on the number of authors. So how about all of the authors that have written about UFOs? Does that mean they exist? Do you understand the comparison? Just answer yes or no.
He doesn't.
Now i know why cowards won't enter the KOG
Cause it was written by man and man was more barbaric Back in the times of the O/T
We all have sinned against God, and that makes us deserving of hell. Yet God loves us sooo much that, ““For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” -John 3:16! If you repent (to change your mind about God, to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that He is our God) and put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you will be saved! And do not wait either, because you do not know when you will die. And once you die, it will be too late. God wants to save you, even right now, because He loves you more than you know it!!
God was killing babies in the Old Testament. The sins that I have committed is nothing compared to what God has done.
@@GG-fy2bm I used to think about that too but God is the Creator of all life. He can decide when He takes us out of here, no matter the age and it’s not wrong. If He gave us life, He can literally take it back
@@diggy1108 That’s like saying a mother has the right to kill her children because she’s the one who gave birth to them 😑
Because we became more civilized and continued the process of making god in our own image...
C Ul, created gods abound in places like Athens. Yahweh is the God of creation. His love, mercy and compassion abound in the OT as well as the NT.
Tell that to the Amalekites, Jeptha's daughter or Abraham"s son. YWH is about what you would expect a primitive bronze age culture to invent.
I don’t believe in the Holy Trinity unfortunately
THE MOMENT YHWH THE LORD is near the people his mercy EN WRATH JUDGEMENT are near !!!!!!!!!!! THATS WHY !!!!!!
Jesus brought out the message of the Lake of Fires.
What a hateful lord.
No, Frank. Life after death isn't mentioned in the Old Testament. There also isn't a personal Satan in the Old Testament, either.
Read the book of Job.
@@christopherjames3174 Read Ecclesiastes.
@@enkidufive3349 you're reading Ecclesiastes from a secular point of view
He is actually wrong. Our Father YHWH (Yahuah) is harsher in the Renewed Covenant(NT) than in the 1st Covenant(OT).
The reason is, we are able to have our Messiah live in us, which enables us to live without sin. That is why Yahusha our Messiah said the following:
Mat 5:21 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,’ and whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.
Mat 5:22 “But I say to you that whoever is wroth with his brother without a cause shall be liable to judgment.
If you are angry towards your brother without reason is as good as killing someone.
Quite a difference, look at the next one:
Mat 5:27 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mat 5:28 “But I say to you that everyone looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
A man looking at a woman with lust, is a adulterer. This is called the Higher Torah.
This is the sad thing about Christianity, they make their "God" to fit their will. They use the OT when it suits them, but mostly about grace and you can not outsin the grace of JC.
This is false teaching and a bad place to be in. Yahuah is not mocked, and those living in sin can not receive the Spirit of Yahuah.
Only through obedience can we receive His Spirit:
Act 5:32 “And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Elohim has given to those who obey Him.”
We must love Him and obey His Word(commandments), then Yahuah and Yahusha will make their stay with us( by the way there is no 3rd person/ trinity either):
Joh 14:23 יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him.
Because he was originally a thunder god of war who loved to kill the more blood the better The Christians realised they needed a more loving god so transformed him to a caring father figure but at the end of the day it's still only make believe.
John 10:8, 10 (KJV) All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
In the real Translation it is written:
John 10:8, 10 (Martin Luther 1912) All that ever came before me are thieves and murderers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Murderers!!!
So many plastics in comments
Hmmm... When you follow this argument logically, there should have been a longer time for god to do good things in the OT, too. So why didn't God do more good things in the OT?
Perhaps from God's point of view His actions are all good.
Obiwan Duglobi apart from the fact that Frank has made a good point about time frames, it’s also to do with just how much detail do you want to record and put into a document/book, whatever you want to call it, there is no doubt plenty of things that didn’t make it into the bible, for 1 simple reason, just how big of a book do you want to have to read and study, as there’s an untold number of people who can’t read, but thankfully today that’s now sorted for a lot of people, as you can get the bible in audio format, and then there’s people like myself who can read, but my attention span for reading is terrible, but visual and audio I have no problem with, but then you’ve still got the same issue, quantity, so it’s not about why didn’t God do more good things, but that also implies He did bad things......., and that leads to the other problem that people have, they only want the ‘lovey dovey’ graceful God, sorry, but ya can’t have it all 1 way, human parents are the same, they give their children love and forgiveness, but any good parent will at times have to discipline their children, why should God be any different......
Understand this: God made a promise to Abraham that through him God would reconcile the world back to Him. He kept His word. He later made a covenant with Israel: if they obey God, He would bless them or if they disobeyed He would curse them & the great God kept His word.
*Read the book of Judges, lot of Israel's leaders led them astray. Hence why there were more curses then blessings.*
@@Sacrifice-Paid Basically, you're repeating Frank's position. From a sociological standpoint, I would expect the Jews to writing down every single interaction of God. Why should they have behaved differently than early Christians and Catholics, meticolously writing down every single wonder? Why should they note the harsh things, but forget about the good ones?
"...any good parent will at times have to discipline their children, why should God be any different..." But why did god often choose the most ultimate punishment there is, namely suffering and consequential death, and without previous warning?
@@beastlyendeavour9184 Got your point. But this raises another question: God made a strong moral statement in the 6th Commandment, which says that you shall not kill. If God is omnipotent, why was he acting in breach of his own moral framework? There should have been other ways!
simple...God was harsher in the old testament because the messiah hadn't appeared yet.......self explanatory
Read Romans 4 - Abraham and David were under grace, saved by faith alone. It’s always been that way. God, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
God is a Holy God. God is a righteous God. God cannot tolerate sin. In the Old Testament times God was dealing with Israel and their nations in a physical manner, with man responsible for his own actions before God. Israel were God's chosen people. The nations were their enemies and they were out to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. When Israel were obedient to God's laws they were blessed and protected from their enemies. When they were attacked they killed their enemies to rid themselves of their threat. Each of the nations had characteristics which were types of the spiritual attacks which Christians of this age have to contend with and to 'put to death' in their bodies. The Amorites were a sexually perverted nation who would attack the weaker parts of Israel as they journeyed. The Canaanites, Hettites, etc. all had their 'badness' which a righteous and holy God wanted His earthly people delivered from. Hence their was so much bloodshed and apparent lack of tolerance towards the enemies.
You may say 'I thought God was a God of Love'. Correct, but God had not been revealed to man at that time as a God of Love. Man was under Law and Israel had said 'whatsoever God says we will do'. The Law was good but mankind could not achieve the Law and were subject to it's penalty which is condemnation when broken. The wages of sin is death.
God revealed His love when He sent His only begotten Son into the world in human form to redeem fallen mankind by dying and shedding His precious blood and suffering on the cross where He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (John ch. 3 v 16; 2 Corinthians ch. 5 v 21). The Jewish religious leaders and the Romans rejected and crucified Jesus Christ, not knowing that their actions were according to the predetermined counsels and purposes of God. It was God's plan of redemption that His Son should die and be resurrected to suffer the wrath of God which was due to man for his sins. God in Love and Grace now offers salvation and the forgiveness of sins to whosoever will believe that Christ died for them personally.
In the Old Testament God was revealed to men as a totally Holy God who could not tolerate sin. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ, God manifest in human form, has revealed God as a God of Love and mercy who when we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. We can be saved by Grace which is God's totally unmerited favour bestowed on the sinner who believes.
You think its ok to murder the babies of your enemies?
Horrible.
Smeaton Lighthouse,
Christians would've been better off
had they adopted the theology of Marcion.
The Marcionites were a 2nd century Christian sect who were followers of Paul but believed the God of Jesus was a different God, not the same vengeful God of the OT.
Marcion was later deemed a heretic but had his theology been adopted you wouldn't have to tap dance about the atrocities in the OT God endorsed.
@@theespionageact5249 It is obvious you did not understand my comment. In OT times God was dealing with Israel as a nation. It was purely physical in that context. In the New Testament God deals with individuals. God has been manifest to us as a God of Love through His Son, Jesus Christ. The situation and conditions of God's approach to mankind are completely different. It is now Grace as opposed to responsible man under Law. The Christian principle is 'love your enemies'. Do good to those who spitefully use or abuse you. We have a salvation through Jesus Christ which we do not deserve as we are all sinners in the sight of a Holy God. There is no difference between me and you. We both deserve to be cast into Hell. But God in love offers you, like me, the forgiveness of sins and eternal Life in Christ Jesus. Christ has purchased our salvation through His death, burial and resurrection when He put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
God has dealt with mankind according the the light or understanding that he had of God. Jesus Christ is the light of the world. He has made manifest His Father as a God of Love reaching out in Grace to you and me.
Your lack of understanding of the Bible and the way God has revealed Himself is making your judgement of Christians to be totally wrong and your comments totally offensive.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 my lack of understanding?
Ok...lets unpack this.
1. In the old Testament, god ordered the murder of babies and toddlers and gave laws allowing people to be owned and beaten as property for life.
2. God is timeless and unchanging.
3. God has not changed his views on baby murder or slavery.
Tell me where my thought process is flawed.
@@todbeard8118 Your comment falls flat on it's face when you understand that Jesus Christ was God manifest in human form. He took a servants condition for the purpose of saving mankind, yet all the time He was God in His person. The Apostle Paul was the most dedicated preacher of the gospel of Grace and the Lordship and Headship of Christ, explaining the teaching about the Church which is the body of Christ here on earth. His service of Jesus Christ, the Son of God has not been matched down the centuries, especially as the Holy Spirit used Paul to give us such a large portion of our New Testament. It is no wonder Marcion was deemed heretic it that is the line he took.
I would say because the bible writers have evolved with their writing. In the old testament God is pretty ruthless and savage with primitive impulses, in the new Testament he isn't as bad compared to the old (and isn't even there). That's because the writers evolved, the way they view God was a product of their time.
Your living in the flesh and not the spirit. The works of te spiritual world are foolish to a man who does not know it.
@@almondwater9583 And you are living in an illusion based off ancient myths, its 2019 and its time to wake up to reality
Jesus is love, but he is also a Judge.
@@evangelistkimpatrik even if thats true it doesn't mean he's right, sounds more like a backwards authoritarian judge who wants blood as a sign of punishment
Jaybird Jetwings
Jesus is more of a judge in the OT than in the NT. John 3:17. He will judge each one of us justly, when that time comes.
1. God created human beings with free will
2. Free will enables/allows sin and bad behavior
3. God not only does it anyway but KNOWS his design will result in sin and bad behavior
4. Knowing his flawed design/plan, he doesn't improve or change it and follows through.
His decision. His plan. His fault
brah what ☠️
Rubbish. Look at how Jesus forgave the adulterous woman and how God ordered adulterers to be stoned to death. God the Father isn’t like God the Son when it comes to mercy.
The trouble with the Pericope Adultera is that it's not included in early, reliable manuscripts. Like much of the Bible, it's just another story possibly dreamed up by some scribe.
Where is hell "hinted at" In the old Testament? I'm aware that sheol is sometimes translated as hell but they are very different things, everyone who dies in the Jewish faith go to sheol much like the underworld in Greek/Roman mythology. And god is much harsher in the old Testament like when he killed off a bunch of his "chosen people" for idol worship, why doesn't he still do that today? Is his pillar of fire down for repairs?
Lol what complete and utter tosh. More judgment???
It’s obvious to anyone that the god of the old and new testaments are completely different and not because of time.
The god of the Old Testament is a complete maniac.
Frank Turek literally says anything and knows theists will swallow it hook, line and coveted ox 😂😂
So absolutely true.
Uhh it’s because god is adick.
Because Jesus was NOT god. Jesus was a righteous, humble man. He was NOT divine.
Jesus prayed and worshipped God. Jesus was humble. God is not humble.
That’s the reason god did a flip flop when it comes to his disposition? Soo, if the New Testament took longer to write, we would surely see the mayhem, destruction, death that he brought in the Old Testament??? I gotcha, we didn’t give jesus enough time to let his passive aggressive personality erupt into mayhem, destruction and death as well, Wtf? Seriously and Christians are like, “yea, I never saw it like that before...time was the answer.” They are what Jesus said they are......SHEEP!!!
Because the Old Testament god is an amalgamation of many gods where the New Testament god, Jesus, is a completely different god made up by the followers of jesus who couldn’t accept he’d been put to death.
No and no.
no evidence but blind assertions
Yes exactly
Jaybird Jetwings + Danny Varghese
The Documentary Hypothesis is my evidence.
Go and google it.
The Torah is completely made up.
@@dannyvarghese1318 What a lot of Christians don't know, is that Yahweh was just one out of the diffrenet gods the Jews worship and was the God of war. During king David's reign who was a yahwist made him popular and eventually evolved into the main God of the Jews. Not in the bible because it twist history
Time span is one interpretation of the facts. What about this one? The hardships suffered by human kind were decreasing as life quality evolved. Since humans, because of ignorance, claimed god to be the source of their misery (floods, thunderstorms...) they saw less "punishments" as their life quality improved, because they were less affected by the hardships of nature.
God of Old Testament is very very harsh.
Harsher? How about downright barbaric!
It seems pretty obvious to me that there were 2 different gods working in the old testament. Jesus himself completely say's the exact opposite of what was supposed to be him and or the father GOD. Example : Numbers 31:18 But all the women children , that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. The argument is the reason god wanted these people killed is because they were corrupted by the fallen angles and we see this as true when it is stated that Noah was pure in all his generations ie genetics. So why would the true God the Father tell his genetically pure Hebrew children to keep genetically corrupt virgins for themselves if his whole intentions were to clean up the fallen angels children? He wouldn't but satan mascaraing as God would and this is why the New testament say's to study the word and equally dived the word ( Good from the bad ) remember satan said he would be like God and would raise his throne to the north. In the old testament there are so many examples of the people being terrified to not worship or they would be killed and many were killed, but Jesus came along and never once did he demand worship he simply gave us a choice. The lake of fire is very real and there will be many that go there but it will be by their own choice not Jesus getting mad and throwing them in it because they didn't eat the right foods or wear the right clothes, and in closing this remember what the true Father God aka Jesus said : I am the same yesterday today and forever I change not!
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You’re along the right lines.
The Old Testament god is many gods mashed together to appease the different tribes.
@@franktong6736 not really. The gods of that age were all material, temporal and spacial. Your conspiration is based on rethoric likelihood.
Simba Questionador
No. My statement is based on centuries of biblical scholarship incorporating anthropology, archeology, history and many other available sources. We know that the Torah is mythology. You just don’t know it yet.
@@franktong6736 yeah, you say that, but shows no prove, or good logic. Just speculation. Torah is one of the most - if not the most - trustworthy historical books. You can call God a myth, but ignore Torah's historical importance is childish.
Simba Questionador It’s well documented.
You’ve just never heard about it or even want to.
And the Torah is not a History book. Lol.
Who are the 4 authors of “The Documentary Hypothesis”?
This doesn't answer ANYTHING. Think about it people. Use your heads