Thank you, it’s not easy coming up with material that will help others. Just trying to help those in the ebike world who are getting into it. Save them some money instead of doing it by trial like I did!
In the end the point becomes that more voltage, the more amps, the more power= MOAR SPEED! What I would like to see is these style of bikes with mid drive motors! Imagine 4000W mid drive on a super 73!
Depends on your usage, heat is the enemy. I have found that the motor heats up most at low rpm high throttle. Once it gets moving the heat seems to not be much of an issue. So depends on that, In my situation i've never gotten the motor over 120F.
It is yeah, but i wouldn’t push it too much, you could run 3000w continuously with no issue though and get like 43mph but yeah you could get up to 48mph with the stock motor in short bursts
I'd like to see the speed comparison. I have an AR x class 52 volt. It has a 1000w bafang so I'm wondering how far I can push it. Is the Mojave's motor geared?
Are you running the phaserunner on the stock 48v battery, or is it a different battery? I'm very interested in doing this, and the idea of using the stock battery to get used to tuning it, and figuring it out while I save up for a 72v setup is very appealing. Also, I saw you say in a different comment that you can't run at 50mph for long... What speed is safe to sustain for a long time? Only stock speed, or could you commute at 40mph? I want to use my bike as more of a moped, so I want higher speeds, but I want to be able to use them consistently.
If you plan on using it as a moped, long term you are better off selling your parts and going to a hub motor as it will cruise at 40mph all day long and not even warm up. I run at 50 for about 1.5 miles when ever I ride and its not been a issue, going down a highway or such I am not sure how it would do with the heat and plastic internal gearing. I put this on the bike only to help the community for a small upgrade, I already have a Hub motor on order for down the road. I used a self made 48V pack, Some of the Stock S73 batteries will work with aftermarket controllers some with fault the BMS. It depends on the BMS version in that pack. I had already sold mine on ebay so I used my S1 pack. Look into the 72V hub motor thats all over google for the Super73 and use a battery/controller of your choice. You could also experiment with how long the stock motor will cruise at 50.
@@BuildItTuneItEV The main reason I liked this swap is that it still works as a bicycle with PAS, and still looks stock... I've asked several people about PAS with the Sabvoton controller everyone likes to use on the 5kw motor, and haven't gotten a straight answer. The frankenrunner seems like it will support a mode limited to 750w and 20mph, as well as a mode that is fully unlocked, and all I need to do is switch modes on the optional display, correct (I think the cycle analyzer)? Mostly, I'd be riding at a max of 45mph, and only a couple miles at a time, running around town. I had hoped this would do the trick.
@@VintageandVoltage if you have the cycle analyst as well, you have a insane amount of tuning at your finger tips. You can set different power levels, pas levels and monitor everything. I am waiting on the cycle analyst, when it comes I’ll film a really good video showing how to set everything up and work like oem. I plan on uploading a base map for that as well, like I did the phaserunner. To be honest the delay was just money, I have spent a insane amount on the bikes lately and just needed to sell off some old parts before getting new ones. The E-Grom build I did was costly and took up a bit of my ebudget for the year. The cycle analyst video for example will only be for UA-cam, because I have a higher power controller going on with the hub motor later on If that’s all your doing for the miles I think you will be okay, I just try to be as honest about it all as possible. At 1.5 miles at 50 the motor is just above ambient temp maybe 10f or so. I think you will be fine! Hopefully will have the next videos up soon!
I'm in the same boat as V & V. Thinking about getting controller and tinkering around with my stock battery. I'm totally green at these things, But like tinkering. I see a lot of talk between the Phaserunner and the Frankenrunner. And personally leaning towards what your example videos are, frankenrunner just so it's apples to apples. When i get that, I'm assuming i have to download a program. Which is fine. But do you have all the parameters listed somewhere that one would use for each the 48, 52 and 72 set ups? Something that I COPY? Cuz I know in all your videos you say do not copy! Which I think is wise! Haha. Thanks again for another great video and I really appreciate your expertise. I don't think I would even try this without have seeing your videos first. Thanks👍
@@phat56pat are you stuck to a tank battery? We eventually will build battery’s to sale but just finishing up all the legal stuff. For now you could also checkout powerful lithium on Facebook for a custom battery. He could build you that case will high quality cells as well. Just remember the AliExpress one, I have not personally ran. Just reviews the specs and cells to ensure the specs are good. What type of range do you want? And what is the goal with bike?
A motors wattage is a rating based on thermal load over a period of time. If you stayed at 4750 for long enough it would eventually over heat. How ever I’ve not been able to do that, if you tried cruising at 50mph long enough it would become a issue. In stock forum it’s designed to be able to be at full throttle from full to empty battery and live
What an extraordinary break down and testing video here. Much appreciated. Cheers.
Thank you, it’s not easy coming up with material that will help others.
Just trying to help those in the ebike world who are getting into it.
Save them some money instead of doing it by trial like I did!
My man, another helpful video!
Nice work! thanks for the comparisons really helpful info.
Awesome work
In the end the point becomes that more voltage, the more amps, the more power= MOAR SPEED!
What I would like to see is these style of bikes with mid drive motors! Imagine 4000W mid drive on a super 73!
I run 20kw to a hub on it now.
@@BuildItTuneItEV 20KW!
Are you serious? how do you keep the front wheel down! Let alone the battery to feed that kind of power!
🤯
@sparkiekosten5902 check my latest short!
@@BuildItTuneItEV Just did. Amazing!
No web page as yet? will keep an eye out for it!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it, Thank you.
Quindi se ho un motore da 1500w a 48v basta che cambio esc. Che supporti fin a 72v e poi posso collegarlo senza che il motore mi si bruci?
Hey Mike, do you have a write up anywhere for us who want to copy your 72v phase runner build? Does PA still work on this build?
I have to how to video, also very close to finishing the stock motor kits.
72V 💪🚀
New to the channel I have a crew dart that I want to upgrade to the 72v , do you have a range test you might have a link too
ok. so higher voltage batteries can result in lower A from the battery.
Are you still doing a work around to get the lights and all that functionality back by anychance?
Yes working on that next!
Can you provide a link to the battery?
21700 DP 7 Battery
Can you run the stock motor and stock battery with this controller and get a higher mph and torque?
Will this Controller work on an Arial Rider x-class?
If you Goto the Grin tech UA-cam they just did one I believe.
72 v how longe change battery? how range miles? extra battery 2 o3 ?
looks sick, thanks for the video.
just a question, is pumping all this power to the stock motor bad for it for the long run? cheers
Depends on your usage, heat is the enemy. I have found that the motor heats up most at low rpm high throttle.
Once it gets moving the heat seems to not be much of an issue. So depends on that, In my situation i've never gotten the motor over 120F.
Is that controller good enough for a 5000 watts motor?
I like that controller very small compared to a savboton.
No a 5kw motor will want a lot more phase amps then this controller provides
@@BuildItTuneItEV BAC 2000 can do it
@@TheNewYorkDiver yup!
I already have the Bac 8K for this setup!
I read the motor was actually rated for that 4300 watt
It is yeah, but i wouldn’t push it too much, you could run 3000w continuously with no issue though and get like 43mph but yeah you could get up to 48mph with the stock motor in short bursts
I'd like to see the speed comparison. I have an AR x class 52 volt. It has a 1000w bafang so I'm wondering how far I can push it.
Is the Mojave's motor geared?
Yes geared hub.
The motor is around 9 rpm per volt.
From that you can gather speed between voltages.
Are you running the phaserunner on the stock 48v battery, or is it a different battery? I'm very interested in doing this, and the idea of using the stock battery to get used to tuning it, and figuring it out while I save up for a 72v setup is very appealing.
Also, I saw you say in a different comment that you can't run at 50mph for long... What speed is safe to sustain for a long time? Only stock speed, or could you commute at 40mph? I want to use my bike as more of a moped, so I want higher speeds, but I want to be able to use them consistently.
If you plan on using it as a moped, long term you are better off selling your parts and going to a hub motor as it will cruise at 40mph all day long and not even warm up.
I run at 50 for about 1.5 miles when ever I ride and its not been a issue, going down a highway or such I am not sure how it would do with the heat and plastic internal gearing.
I put this on the bike only to help the community for a small upgrade, I already have a Hub motor on order for down the road.
I used a self made 48V pack, Some of the Stock S73 batteries will work with aftermarket controllers some with fault the BMS. It depends on the BMS version in that pack. I had already sold mine on ebay so I used my S1 pack.
Look into the 72V hub motor thats all over google for the Super73 and use a battery/controller of your choice.
You could also experiment with how long the stock motor will cruise at 50.
@@BuildItTuneItEV The main reason I liked this swap is that it still works as a bicycle with PAS, and still looks stock... I've asked several people about PAS with the Sabvoton controller everyone likes to use on the 5kw motor, and haven't gotten a straight answer. The frankenrunner seems like it will support a mode limited to 750w and 20mph, as well as a mode that is fully unlocked, and all I need to do is switch modes on the optional display, correct (I think the cycle analyzer)? Mostly, I'd be riding at a max of 45mph, and only a couple miles at a time, running around town. I had hoped this would do the trick.
@@VintageandVoltage if you have the cycle analyst as well, you have a insane amount of tuning at your finger tips.
You can set different power levels, pas levels and monitor everything.
I am waiting on the cycle analyst, when it comes I’ll film a really good video showing how to set everything up and work like oem.
I plan on uploading a base map for that as well, like I did the phaserunner.
To be honest the delay was just money, I have spent a insane amount on the bikes lately and just needed to sell off some old parts before getting new ones.
The E-Grom build I did was costly and took up a bit of my ebudget for the year.
The cycle analyst video for example will only be for UA-cam, because I have a higher power controller going on with the hub motor later on
If that’s all your doing for the miles I think you will be okay, I just try to be as honest about it all as possible.
At 1.5 miles at 50 the motor is just above ambient temp maybe 10f or so. I think you will be fine!
Hopefully will have the next videos up soon!
I'm in the same boat as V & V. Thinking about getting controller and tinkering around with my stock battery. I'm totally green at these things, But like tinkering. I see a lot of talk between the Phaserunner and the Frankenrunner. And personally leaning towards what your example videos are, frankenrunner just so it's apples to apples. When i get that, I'm assuming i have to download a program. Which is fine. But do you have all the parameters listed somewhere that one would use for each the 48, 52 and 72 set ups? Something that I COPY? Cuz I know in all your videos you say do not copy! Which I think is wise! Haha. Thanks again for another great video and I really appreciate your expertise. I don't think I would even try this without have seeing your videos first. Thanks👍
Where did you get the 72 volt battery from?
Pep boys
Thanks
hello sir where do i buy the 72 volts battery
wich site?
They will be for sale soon on upgrademyebike.com
Ok ok I think I just need to go 72v lol link to a 72v battery setup that will plug in to the controller?
Do this, pull battery, and the base, and the charger.
List on eBay.
Sell, buy the 72v tank battery on AliExpress, go frankenrunner and enjoy.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Can you link the battery you suggest in the description I’ll just order it today lol
@@BuildItTuneItEV getting a battery in the next couple weeks seems impossible haha
@@phat56pat are you stuck to a tank battery?
We eventually will build battery’s to sale but just finishing up all the legal stuff.
For now you could also checkout powerful lithium on Facebook for a custom battery. He could build you that case will high quality cells as well.
Just remember the AliExpress one, I have not personally ran. Just reviews the specs and cells to ensure the specs are good.
What type of range do you want?
And what is the goal with bike?
@@phat56pat you can get one from powerful lithium quickly
how can the stock motor take 4500 watts?
A motors wattage is a rating based on thermal load over a period of time.
If you stayed at 4750 for long enough it would eventually over heat. How ever I’ve not been able to do that, if you tried cruising at 50mph long enough it would become a issue.
In stock forum it’s designed to be able to be at full throttle from full to empty battery and live