One other point that's pertinent is the person of Ohtani. Despite what we think, Ohtani will likely win the MVP because of his marketing value - both internationally and as MLB's top cumulative earner. He's too important, recognizable, and easily the hardest player to replace. Baseball really needs him (and his team, by extension) to greatly succeed.
@@thomasjoseph3488 I agree and as you know shared videos on that. With all the media push I thought his numbers were far beyond belief. Clearly looking at Marte and guys in the past this is not true. It's just channels like ESPN that want it to happen
Ohtani hitting Homeruns. His team has winning record. If it was a white dude you all be like yea DH should get MVP. Since he gonna get it its a problem now
I throw my hat in with no DH MVP, just as with pitchers. Your arguments are cogent, especially juxtaposed with high skilled positions (shortstop, catcher). I know the DH ship has sailed, but for full disclosure, I'd eliminate it if I were the king of baseball. 😂
@@thomasjoseph3488 I appreciate the comment. I'm OK with a pitcher if they are far and above. I had no problem with Verlander winning in the past, but they have to just dominate
@@Beck-Stein balco documents have him beginning after 1998. After Sosa and Mcguire went unpunished. Bonds admitted to using steroids after his personal trainer allegedly misled him into believing he was taking flaxseed oil and arthritis cream. Sworn testimony lists 1998 as the earliest known offense. Took 10 seconds to find
@@Beck-Stein that's a direct quote from the Washington post. If we can't trust that knowledge then we can't trust ohtani isn't on roids or isn't betting on baseball
One other point that's pertinent is the person of Ohtani. Despite what we think, Ohtani will likely win the MVP because of his marketing value - both internationally and as MLB's top cumulative earner. He's too important, recognizable, and easily the hardest player to replace. Baseball really needs him (and his team, by extension) to greatly succeed.
@@thomasjoseph3488 I agree and as you know shared videos on that. With all the media push I thought his numbers were far beyond belief. Clearly looking at Marte and guys in the past this is not true. It's just channels like ESPN that want it to happen
No doubt in my mind that the powers want Ohtani and the Dodgers to succeed. Hate to sound "tinfoil." @@3up3down
DH should stay with triple crown only not mvp since in baseball defence/pitching is the key role to win, not offence.
@@keizomatsuzaki I seriously hope a DH doesn't win
Well, defensive skills are undervalued in MVPs. Other than the occasional super dominant pitcher, it's an offensive award.
Ohtani hitting Homeruns. His team has winning record. If it was a white dude you all be like yea DH should get MVP. Since he gonna get it its a problem now
@@lpmoualm Ortiz hit home runs, team had winning record. He lost. Edgar hit home runs, team had winning record. He lost.
2023 olson 51 hr still not get
@@keizomatsuzaki beat by a guy with 40/70
@@Beck-Stein none played with a pitch clock, 2 disengagement, and bigger bags. Although Ortiz and Martinez would never have stole 50
I throw my hat in with no DH MVP, just as with pitchers. Your arguments are cogent, especially juxtaposed with high skilled positions (shortstop, catcher). I know the DH ship has sailed, but for full disclosure, I'd eliminate it if I were the king of baseball. 😂
@@thomasjoseph3488 I appreciate the comment. I'm OK with a pitcher if they are far and above. I had no problem with Verlander winning in the past, but they have to just dominate
Its not even close buddy 😂
@@jerome6578 a month later it isn't. At the time it was
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This discussion is so stupid. Is there anything else to talk about?
Would you prefer to discuss how pre steroids Bonds has several better seasons than this current Ohtani season?
@@Beck-Stein bonds never dh
@@Beck-Stein balco documents have him beginning after 1998. After Sosa and Mcguire went unpunished.
Bonds admitted to using steroids after his personal trainer allegedly misled him into believing he was taking flaxseed oil and arthritis cream. Sworn testimony lists 1998 as the earliest known offense.
Took 10 seconds to find
@@Beck-Stein that's a direct quote from the Washington post. If we can't trust that knowledge then we can't trust ohtani isn't on roids or isn't betting on baseball